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00:12:34 <Samu> how come i closed my openttd server? 00:12:47 <Samu> it just vanished? 00:14:32 <Samu> do you have a log of the list of servers? or someone have such log? 00:14:40 <Samu> when did it vanish? 00:30:57 <Oddingar> <V453000> though in openttd it is very much given by the fact that original industries have so huge production cap that it feels like infinity - what could be interesting would be if the cargo prices varied a bit based on demand/supply, if there's a huge production the price should go down 00:31:20 <Samu> more disasters! 00:31:58 <Samu> i wonder what happened to my openttd server, it just vanished 00:32:11 <Oddingar> sorrry, can't help on that :P 00:32:26 <Samu> had to start it again, but have no idea what happened 00:33:09 <Oddingar> sorry to hear that :P 00:33:35 <Samu> i could have mistakenly closed it, but it always warns me if i want to exit openttd, it wasn't this 00:33:57 <Oddingar> you sure you haven't been drinking? 00:34:07 <Samu> i never drink 00:34:48 <Samu> guess i better make use of autosaves 00:44:32 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:50 <Samu> just tested CivilAI 00:47:24 <Samu> crazy town sizes 00:47:25 <Samu> clean usage of roads 00:47:25 <Samu> might have to deal down in the number of busses 00:48:31 <Samu> dial* 00:49:39 <Samu> 1700 busses 00:50:02 <Samu> it wasn't supposed to be limited to 500 00:50:06 <Samu> was* 01:01:32 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:08:28 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-33-61.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:44 <Samu> OpenTTD just closed itself 01:14:56 <Samu> i was navigating in the story book 01:15:02 <Samu> and boom it's gone 01:15:27 <Samu> game script was Awards 01:15:31 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:16:35 <Samu> quite an easy to do crash 01:17:51 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:00 <glx> no crash message ? 01:21:22 <Samu> nop, openttd just disappears 01:21:39 <glx> retry in visual studio then 01:21:57 <Samu> ok 01:22:34 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@254-058-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 01:22:37 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:09 <glx> it was a clean version or a modified version ? 01:27:13 <Samu> it was 1.5.0-beta2 01:27:33 <Samu> visual studio is using another version 01:27:41 <Samu> r27180M 01:28:00 <glx> you need to try with a clean trunk version 01:31:20 <Samu> it's a clean version 01:31:40 <Samu> they're updated isn't it? 01:32:29 <Samu> ah, 01:32:41 <Samu> Unhandled exception at 0x012C64CB in openttd.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x04364034. 01:33:07 <Samu> Break? 01:35:05 <Samu> it is pointing me to this 01:35:08 <Samu> *dst = ComposeColourRGBANoCheck(src_px->r, src_px->g, src_px->b, src_px->a, *dst); 01:35:50 <Samu> line 123 of 32bpp:anim.cpp 01:36:29 <Samu> > openttd.exe!Blitter_32bppAnim::Draw<1>(const Blitter::BlitterParams * bp=0x0018d2b8, ZoomLevel zoom=ZOOM_LVL_BEGIN) Line 123 C++ 01:36:49 <Samu> so hmm what now? 01:40:23 <Samu> i thought OpenGFX was 8bpp 01:43:13 <glx> blitter and grf are unrelated :) 01:44:07 <Samu> - dst 0x04364034 {data=??? b=??? g=??? ...} Colour * 01:44:16 <Samu> data <Unable to read memory> 01:44:21 <Samu> b <Unable to read memory> 01:44:25 <glx> dst is invalid 01:44:29 <Samu> ok 01:44:37 <Samu> all those with unable to read memory 01:44:45 <Samu> data, b, g, r, a 01:44:53 <glx> don't try to read anything from it (it's the cause of the crash) 01:45:19 <Samu> and in some other place a bit up, there's a y with red 01:45:31 <Samu> y 26 int 01:46:09 <Samu> + this 0x025e3a48 {anim_buf=0x05ac0040 {32849} anim_buf_width=1280 anim_buf_height=720 ...} Blitter_32bppAnim * 01:47:13 <Samu> "this" is also red, expanding it lists those dst with unable to read memory 01:47:38 <Samu> oh crap, no, sorry 01:47:42 <Samu> it's separate 01:47:49 <glx> the main problem is the wrong address for dst 01:48:28 <Samu> ok going backwards 01:48:33 <Samu> case BM_COLOUR_REMAP: Draw<BM_COLOUR_REMAP>(bp, zoom); return; 01:48:40 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:01 <Samu> BlitterFactory::GetCurrentBlitter()->Draw(&bp, mode, zoom); 01:49:09 <glx> is it easy to reproduce ? 01:49:18 <Samu> it was for me 01:49:53 <Samu> game script was Awards, downloaded from content dl 01:49:54 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has joined #openttd 01:50:06 <Samu> leave it at default settings 01:50:11 <Samu> start single player game 01:50:30 <Samu> open story book, and navigate around 01:50:38 <Samu> it suddenly poofs 01:51:05 <Samu> lasts a few in-game months without crashing 01:51:15 <Samu> but it happens 01:51:19 <Samu> poof 01:52:48 <Samu> i had 1 BorkAI running too, but I don't think it would matter 01:52:56 <Samu> let me try without ai 01:56:51 <Samu> so it seems I can't make it crash now 01:57:05 <Samu> requires an AI running alongside? 01:58:04 <Samu> starting AI 01:58:20 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.48] has joined #openttd 01:58:35 <Samu> yep, crashed 01:58:40 <Samu> with ai 01:58:48 <glx> maybe it's just because the AI was playing while you were just doing nothing 01:59:04 <Samu> i was navigating in the story book of AI 01:59:12 <Samu> i had 1 train 01:59:42 <Samu> gonna try 2 companies, but neither being ai 01:59:51 <Samu> so, multiplayer now 02:02:02 <Samu> crashed 02:02:27 <Samu> or, to be precise, openttd vanishes 02:03:29 <Samu> i was navigating my own company this time 02:03:41 <Samu> seems to trigger with 2 companies at least 02:07:27 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:14:03 *** liq4 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:14:03 *** liq3 is now known as Guest594 02:14:04 *** liq4 is now known as liq3 02:20:35 *** Guest594 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:24 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-154-213.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:03 *** Oddingar [~Odd@141.0.235.109] has quit [] 02:35:16 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:09 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.132] has joined #openttd 02:57:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:57 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:19 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:22:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:24:57 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:12 <supermop_> yo 04:10:04 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:19:33 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:20:56 <supermop_> what stile of corner looks best: 04:20:57 <supermop_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1144525#p1144525 04:21:01 <supermop_> style 04:21:29 <supermop_> pretend that the typo 'stile' was a pun based on stone barriers 04:26:23 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:25 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:49:53 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.163.119] has quit [Quit: They did not count on my cleverness! (www.AdiIRC.com)] 05:12:26 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:39 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.133.203] has joined #openttd 05:47:37 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has joined #openttd 05:53:21 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:24 <supermop_> yo Supercheese 05:55:32 <Supercheese> HELLO 05:55:34 <Supercheese> whoops caps 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5BD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC660F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:57:00 <supermop_> haha 05:57:11 <supermop_> want to give me some advice? 05:57:28 <Supercheese> sup? 05:57:49 <supermop_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1144525#p1144525 05:57:55 <supermop_> which looks best 05:59:53 <Supercheese> Hmm 06:00:31 <Supercheese> The straight curve roadway with something filling in the corner (tree etc.) would look most familiar to me 06:00:39 <Supercheese> you don't really see squared corners like that anywhere around here 06:25:03 <supermop_> ok 06:25:54 <supermop_> its odd because inner city street rarely just have a plain 90 degree curve like that in them 06:26:09 <supermop_> sorry for thaat delayed response 06:27:19 <supermop_> not sure if the game puts street trees on corners 06:32:10 *** matematikaadit [~matematik@36.84.219.165] has joined #openttd 06:34:38 <Supercheese> In the tree-lined road zone, yes 06:34:41 <Supercheese> trees are put on corners 06:35:10 <Supercheese> likewise for street lights 06:36:44 *** matematikaadit [~matematik@36.84.219.165] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:37:58 <supermop_> ok 06:38:07 <supermop_> not intersections though? 06:38:31 <Supercheese> T-intersections have trees 06:38:45 <Supercheese> 4 way do not 06:38:52 <Supercheese> but what the base set does is really irrelevant 06:38:59 <Supercheese> you can do what you want with your sprites 06:39:39 <supermop_> ah ok 06:40:00 <supermop_> do you think the asphalt sidewalks are distracting? 06:40:32 <Supercheese> Well, I would expect sidewalks to be concrete 06:40:36 <Supercheese> not asphalt 06:41:32 <supermop_> yeah 06:41:55 <supermop_> they are asphalt in most of melbourne which i find really odd 06:42:39 <supermop_> in the cbd they have gradually been replaciing it with honed smooth basalt pavers about 1mx.5m 06:42:59 <supermop_> I wanted to show both, but you only get one type of sidewalk 06:43:34 <Supercheese> you could change sidewalks with town zone 06:44:04 <supermop_> so previously i thought i'd not draw any sidewalks at all - have the road be full width - then draw regular or fancy sidewalk on the front areas of houses 06:44:17 <supermop_> can roads change by townzone? 06:44:50 <supermop_> if so that really opens up a world of possibilities 06:47:33 <Supercheese> yeah you can pick whatever sprite you want to correspond to a given townzone 06:48:00 <supermop_> whaaaat 06:48:06 <supermop_> for tramway too? 06:48:12 <Supercheese> dunno about tram 06:48:27 <supermop_> hmm 06:49:11 <Supercheese> but yeah, NARoads has dirt roads outside of towns, cobblestone inside 06:49:46 <supermop_> i thought that was simply the sidewalk/no sidewalk boundry? 06:50:08 <Supercheese> let me check 06:50:27 <supermop_> i was not aware there was more granularity than binary for that 06:51:25 <supermop_> having five levels would be great 06:51:36 <Supercheese> oh poo 06:51:38 <Supercheese> they are overlays 06:51:43 <Supercheese> I stand corrected 06:51:57 <Supercheese> so seems only binary 06:54:35 <supermop_> boo 06:56:47 <supermop_> my other crazy idea is to use streetlamp sprites to overlay the fancy sidewalk 06:57:06 <supermop_> but i dont think you can have enough streetlamp types 06:57:42 <supermop_> so i think i'll have fancy sidewalks by year - 06:58:01 <supermop_> reload game after 2000 or so and all sidewalks are fancy 06:59:42 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:23 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 07:57:30 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:44 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 08:58:18 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 09:02:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:22:34 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 09:24:42 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 09:26:23 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:35:12 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 09:38:50 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:39:15 <argoneus> good morning train friends 09:39:18 <argoneus> how is your wednesday morning going 10:26:27 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 10:40:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:50:34 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 10:56:30 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 11:55:53 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:53 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 12:13:00 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:40 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest624 12:32:44 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:11 *** Guest624 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:49 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 12:41:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:08:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:08:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 13:22:37 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 14:04:29 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-131.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 14:04:33 <Samu> hi 14:04:42 <Samu> i think i found a bug with savegames 14:05:52 <Samu> i swear i remember I had vehicles never expire turned on 14:06:06 <Samu> now when i load the savegame, the setting is turned off 14:10:49 <Samu> there's something strange with this 14:12:06 <Samu> how can i tell what's the last year Balogh Goods Truck is available for purchase? 14:19:40 <Samu> august 2005 14:19:54 <Samu> i can't remember ever turning off this setting when i created this game 14:20:18 <Samu> am i drunk or something? 14:22:13 <Samu> well i can't be sure, so better disregard this report for now 14:22:19 <Samu> sorry 14:30:29 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:25 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 14:37:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-64-93.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:38:26 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:24 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 15:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the setting almost certainly didn't turn off by itself 15:41:50 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 15:47:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:34 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 16:01:21 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:05:09 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:11:23 *** __johannes [~johannes@HSI-KBW-149-172-71-90.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 16:13:34 <__johannes> hi 16:13:46 <Taede> ello 16:13:52 <__johannes> if one wants to make a patch, is git or svn more recommended? 16:15:28 * planetmaker recommends mercurial. However use whatever you are happy with 16:15:50 <__johannes> thanks 16:15:53 <planetmaker> the patch itself also doesn't care about the VCS you use - it looks identical 16:16:11 <__johannes> ah good 16:16:40 <planetmaker> openttd has official repos for all, svn, hg and git. Thus clone with whatever tool you like 16:17:34 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:17:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:17:36 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:58 <planetmaker> our canonical one is svn, it's the only one which gets commits. But most developers don't use it for anything other than just that and use either hg or git for their "daily" work 16:18:32 <planetmaker> our hg and git mirrors are synced with svn on every commit, so ... they're just as up2date as well 16:19:09 <planetmaker> but make sure you develop patches agains svn trunk - not any release version :) 16:19:35 <__johannes> yes, sure ;) 16:19:51 <__johannes> git clone http://git.openttd.org openttd -> what's the correct version? 16:20:04 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 16:20:05 <planetmaker> HEAD 16:20:24 <__johannes> I mean: what's the correct clone command, that one did not work 16:20:28 <planetmaker> but don't ask me about git 16:20:57 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 16:21:04 <__johannes> hmm you know someone who has been using it? 16:21:06 <planetmaker> however I know that you didn't get right the URL... it ends with .git 16:21:38 <planetmaker> http://git.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.git/ 16:22:17 <Alberth> /me found that too just now :) 16:22:18 <Alberth> hi hi 16:22:23 <planetmaker> hihi :) 16:22:58 * planetmaker -> shopping and dinner 16:23:02 <planetmaker> laters :) 16:23:03 <Alberth> good idea :) 16:23:07 <__johannes> ah that worked, thanks 16:23:39 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:01 <Alberth> you get all the useless data statistics for free :) 16:24:55 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:33 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 16:25:36 <__johannes> I noticed, it took 4 minutes to clone 16:28:00 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 16:40:36 <Terkhen> hello 16:42:22 <Samu> hi, found a semi-bug 16:42:39 <Samu> i had initially max train size 64 tiles 16:42:50 <Samu> someone made a train 8 tiles 16:43:01 <Samu> now i decided to set max train to 7 tiles 16:43:14 <Samu> when i am trying to remove 2 wagons from that train, i can't 16:43:21 <Samu> max train size error 16:43:31 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:36 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [] 16:43:50 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:59 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [] 16:44:45 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:19 <Samu> it's done, had to set max train size to 8 first, then remove two wagons, and then back to 7 16:49:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:51:09 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:47 <Alberth> yep sounds somewhat bug-ish 16:58:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:07 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:39 <Samu> there's a bug with this opengfx, rocks on half-desert, half-grass tiles are sometimes a strong green, some other times a pale green 17:18:07 <Samu> 0.5.2-RC1 17:19:22 <Samu> i remember previous version didn't have this issue 17:19:40 <Alberth> that's known, afaik, I reported it some time ago 17:19:52 <LordAro> i got bored: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openttd.org 17:19:57 <LordAro> Rubidium: TrueBrain: ^ 17:23:55 <Alberth> Samu: Hmm, I attached it to opengfx+landscape https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/7518 17:24:42 <Samu> ah yes, that's it, but I was on sub-tropic 17:31:07 <Alberth> it's likely to exist in several climates :) 17:31:18 <Alberth> it's a change in openttd that causes it 17:44:13 <Samu> pf.roadveh_queue 17:46:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27181 trunk/src/lang/french.txt (2015-03-11 17:46:24 UTC) 17:46:32 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:33 <DorpsGek> french - 4 changes by glx 17:51:10 <Samu> construction.tree_frame_burst 17:56:34 <Alberth> samu.random.settings 17:57:16 <Samu> 1 tree at a time 17:57:32 <Samu> bribe authority is enabled 17:58:16 <Samu> pf.roadveh_queue - im trying this off, some jams are improved, but some others are created :( 18:00:03 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:09:33 <TrueBrain> LordAro: what is secure today, is not secure tomorrow .. what can I say ... :P 18:10:23 <LordAro> that tends to be the case with these sort of things :) 18:12:50 <TrueBrain> :D 18:13:03 <TrueBrain> either way, this weekend I hope to upgrade an ancient nginx version (debian stable) to a more modern 18:13:11 <TrueBrain> debian stable~backports, I am guessing 18:13:22 <TrueBrain> so I might as well try to fix that back to an A, as we used to be an A! 18:13:24 <TrueBrain> I WANT MY A BACK 18:14:05 <TrueBrain> then again, I might as well try it now :D 18:15:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:20 <Samu> I am a bit surprised that pf.roadveh_queue off is overall worse than pf.roadveh_queue on 18:18:30 <Samu> looking at income 18:20:05 <TrueBrain> lolz .. nginx is listening, but nothing is respondig .. odddd 18:21:42 <TrueBrain> ah, no longer dualstack 18:21:43 <TrueBrain> even better 18:22:08 <TrueBrain> changes the log format *again* 18:22:11 <TrueBrain> sigh ... 18:22:50 <LordAro> :< 18:23:42 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:23:57 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 18:23:57 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <andythenorth> V453000: itâs better? o_O 18:24:01 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:24:13 <DanMacK> I'll eventually catch him, lol 18:24:27 <TrueBrain> adds +b to the channel ... 18:25:06 <TrueBrain> LordAro: holy crap, testing a site takes for ever :P 18:25:31 <LordAro> only a couple of min :3 18:25:47 <LordAro> (the countdown stuff is massively inaccurate) 18:27:13 <TrueBrain> I wonder how many people will have issues with me disabling SSL3 .. 18:27:15 <TrueBrain> we will find out :D 18:27:43 <planetmaker> o/ 18:28:07 <planetmaker> and yes, disabling ssl3... those who cannot access the site then don't deserve it. They likely work for nsa :P 18:28:26 <TrueBrain> dropping RC4 too, because .. well .. 18:28:35 <TrueBrain> bye-bye old browsers .. enjoy http 18:29:12 <Alberth> :) 18:29:20 <TrueBrain> hmm .. what ciphers to use ... 18:29:23 <TrueBrain> only HIGH? 18:29:59 <TrueBrain> haha, the advised list is ... LONG 18:31:00 <TrueBrain> lets try this again :D 18:32:42 <TrueBrain> only remaining question ... ssl_session_cache? :D 18:34:46 <TrueBrain> IE6 / XP can no longer use https 18:34:49 <TrueBrain> aint that the saddestsstststs 18:35:19 <Alberth> oh dear :p 18:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: isn't that a case of "the goggles, they do nothing!"? 18:36:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:51 <TrueBrain> so lets rerun this test one more time 18:38:40 *** __johannes [~johannes@HSI-KBW-149-172-71-90.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:39:18 <TrueBrain> LordAro: happier? 18:39:27 <LordAro> :D 18:39:41 <TrueBrain> I still allowed a few weaker cipher 18:39:47 <TrueBrain> mostly to not drop Windows support completely :D 18:40:08 <TrueBrain> IE11 uses a pretty weak cipher 18:40:15 <TrueBrain> but ... dropping https support for that might be too harsh :D 18:40:27 <TrueBrain> hmm 18:40:29 <TrueBrain> then again 18:40:35 <TrueBrain> I might be able to solve that server-side 18:42:28 <Samu> autosave failed 18:42:36 <Samu> never seen this before 18:43:42 <TrueBrain> to enabling stapling or not .. hmm 18:44:32 <Alberth> disk full samu ? 18:44:54 <Samu> nop, i suppose concurrent autosaves 18:45:31 <Alberth> ah ja, heftklammen sind sehr gut 18:46:51 <TrueBrain> damn, takes for ever to make a 4k key :D 18:47:48 <Alberth> good security, take forever to generate the key, so you cannot deploy it :p 18:50:14 <TrueBrain> the pains I go through for better Windows support 18:50:15 <TrueBrain> .... 18:50:17 <TrueBrain> still generating :D 18:52:07 <Samu> that's it. pf.roadveh_queue is worse as off than on 18:52:18 <Samu> I'm quite shocked 18:53:00 <Alberth> clearly, nicely waiting for your turn is profitable :) 18:53:27 <Samu> it solves a few jams, but creates 2 big ones 18:54:16 <Samu> 1 didn't even exist 18:54:25 <Samu> the other was just moved a bit further 18:54:39 <TrueBrain> STILL generating, omg 18:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> just make sure you have enough waiting space 18:55:19 <TrueBrain> at least my ran out :D 18:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> patience is a virtue :p 18:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> if virtues came easy, they wouldn't be virtues 18:56:34 <Samu> i waited enough 18:56:43 <Samu> turning it on again 18:58:20 <Samu> those extended truck stations facing crossroads 18:58:28 <Samu> is causing major jams 18:58:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:55 <TrueBrain> still not done ... 18:58:57 <TrueBrain> lolz 19:01:20 <Samu> crossroad facing truck stations neither solution on or off is good 19:01:34 <Samu> but on deals with it better 19:02:34 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:56 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:22 <TrueBrain> can you please send me some entropy, I seem to be missing a few :D 19:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a lot of entropy in my room, come and get it. 19:08:09 <TrueBrain> so who's fault was it that I am not burning a CPU at 100% during a CF run just to generate a new dh key? 19:08:20 <TrueBrain> *points at LordAro* 19:08:44 <Samu> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=23B29F3DE45F6F1F!761&authkey=!ANJXvtE_MiX18d0&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng 19:08:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:56 <TrueBrain> @kick Samu please no spam URLs here 19:08:56 *** Samu was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [please no spam URLs here] 19:09:02 <andythenorth> @kick cat 19:09:03 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Error: cat is not in #openttd. 19:09:12 <TrueBrain> evening andy :) 19:09:18 <Alberth> lol 19:09:21 <Alberth> hi hi 19:09:39 <andythenorth> hi 19:09:41 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: does your one-time-rename-bananas offer still stand? o_O 19:09:42 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-131.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 19:09:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74166f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:45 <andythenorth> or is the window closed? 19:09:53 <Samu> :( 19:09:56 <Alberth> hai 19:09:59 <TrueBrain> ugh ... I nailed that window closed with 1000 nails 19:10:01 <TrueBrain> and then some more 19:10:03 <TrueBrain> :D 19:10:19 <TrueBrain> seriously annoying to rename stuff :P Can't you just upload under a new name? :D 19:10:40 <Samu> what happened 19:10:49 <Alberth> newgrf id and all that :) 19:10:56 <andythenorth> what he said 19:11:12 <andythenorth> the name isnât just a meaningless string? 19:11:16 <TrueBrain> tables, indexes, mirrors, clients .... 19:11:23 <andythenorth> oic 19:11:34 <andythenorth> all of the internets stuff 19:11:35 <TrueBrain> main issue is, if I remember correctly, that a rename means all filenames change 19:11:40 <andythenorth> :o 19:11:45 <andythenorth> ach nvm :) 19:11:51 <TrueBrain> or possible I could only do that for a new upload 19:11:53 <TrueBrain> not sure tbh 19:11:55 <andythenorth> I hoped name would just be an arbitrary title attribute 19:11:59 <andythenorth> forget that 19:12:00 <TrueBrain> werent you going to rewrite it? :P 19:12:04 <andythenorth> wasnât I 19:12:10 <Samu> i got a kick 19:12:11 <Samu> why 19:12:17 <andythenorth> keeps you healthy 19:12:19 <TrueBrain> no, for sure it is also related to how the file is named on disk 19:12:25 <TrueBrain> [20:17] *** Samu has been kicked from the channel by DorpsGek (please no spam URLs here). 19:12:30 <TrueBrain> reason states it enough, doesn't it? 19:12:48 <Samu> that's a screenshot 19:12:57 <TrueBrain> even if it was the queen on a tomato 19:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> your queen or the more popular queen? :p 19:13:19 <Samu> to the left roadveh is off 19:13:26 <Samu> to the right roadveh is on 19:13:29 <TrueBrain> I have no more queen .. we now have a king .. 19:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> oh 19:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably knew that, but forgot 19:13:46 <TrueBrain> well, there is a queen next to him 19:13:50 <TrueBrain> but that is more a wanna-be :D 19:13:53 <TrueBrain> IT FINISHED 19:13:55 <TrueBrain> omgggg 19:14:09 <Alberth> yay! :) 19:15:13 <TrueBrain> so ... all this reconfigure, and what do I get? More CPU cycles wasted on the frontend proxy :D 19:15:50 <TrueBrain> Stapling active, seems to work fine too 19:17:12 *** Oddingar [~Odd@141.0.247.16] has joined #openttd 19:17:22 <TrueBrain> awh, still only an A 19:17:24 <TrueBrain> hateful 19:17:52 <TrueBrain> dh of 1024 gives 10 warnings with Windows IE .. 19:17:56 <TrueBrain> dh > 1024 gives a warning with Java6 19:17:57 <TrueBrain> ... 19:18:00 <TrueBrain> IT IS NEVER ENOUGH :'( 19:18:59 <TrueBrain> I don't get why I only get an A 19:19:03 <TrueBrain> I want my damn A+ :( 19:21:01 <TrueBrain> ah, no HSTS and no HPKP 19:21:07 <TrueBrain> shall I enable HSTS? :D 19:21:08 <TrueBrain> that could be fun? 19:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what that is 19:22:00 <TrueBrain> nods to the browser it should be using HTTPS 19:22:02 <TrueBrain> instead of HTTP 19:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a reasonable idea 19:23:08 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 19:23:58 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A010.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:56 <TrueBrain> okay, lets cycle that in too then 19:25:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:10 <TrueBrain> feels a bit weird to do that for HTTPS only ... 19:25:19 <TrueBrain> you would think you want to tell browsers that on the HTTP channel :D 19:25:31 <Wolf01> o/ 19:25:46 <TrueBrain> but yeah .. when I now try to visit http://www.openttd.org/, I get redirected to https :) 19:25:48 <TrueBrain> sweet :P 19:26:02 <TrueBrain> we will see how that is received :D 19:28:10 * andythenorth wonders how many insecure content warnings IE will now generate :P 19:28:22 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I do wonder how a browser knows that you want him to use https, where the http channel doesnt suggest it .. 19:28:31 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I hope 0 :) 19:29:03 <TrueBrain> ah, after visiting the https once, it will keep going back to https for next visits 19:29:05 <TrueBrain> sweet :) 19:29:19 <andythenorth> shall I start an IE VM? :P 19:29:25 <TrueBrain> please do :D 19:29:35 <andythenorth> IE and SSL are the bane of my life some days 19:29:37 <TrueBrain> in the mean time I will just click: Internet Explorer 19:29:38 <TrueBrain> ieuw 19:30:17 <TrueBrain> 0 warnings on this IE 19:30:26 <andythenorth> it should redirect to https? 19:30:30 <andythenorth> I have it on http 19:30:50 <TrueBrain> no, browsers only get the nod once you have been on https that using https might be the right thing to do 19:30:51 <andythenorth> if I go to https I get insecure content warnings 19:30:56 <andythenorth> IE 7 19:30:58 <TrueBrain> on what page?! 19:31:22 <andythenorth> https://www.openttd.org/en 19:31:34 <TrueBrain> for what ever possible reason?! 19:32:09 <andythenorth> dunno, the IE explanation is shit 19:32:14 <TrueBrain> well, IE11 doesnt, so I can just say: dont use IE on https then :D 19:32:25 <TrueBrain> ha, A+ 19:32:25 <andythenorth> it didnât like a cert 19:32:26 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 19:32:36 <TrueBrain> LordAro: happy now? :D 19:32:44 <andythenorth> either our cert, or maybe a third part cert - is there any embedded third party content? 19:32:59 <TrueBrain> all content uses // 19:33:03 <TrueBrain> no protocol definition 19:33:42 <andythenorth> yeah IE 7 hates the cert 19:33:47 <TrueBrain> fuck IE :D 19:33:48 <andythenorth> I reset my VM 19:33:58 <TrueBrain> I generated a freaking 4k DH for it :( 19:33:59 <andythenorth> is it self-signed? 19:34:01 <TrueBrain> ungrateful ... 19:34:07 <TrueBrain> no ...... 19:34:15 <TrueBrain> open it with any decent browser :P 19:34:48 <andythenorth> itâs the OVH news portlet 19:34:51 <andythenorth> third party 19:35:01 <TrueBrain> ah 19:36:03 <TrueBrain> so .. now lets look at HPKP .. while at it etc 19:38:40 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a4cb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:48 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 <TrueBrain> HPKP is funny :) 19:39:59 <TrueBrain> it can even report back to you if there was a failure :D 19:44:17 <TrueBrain> well, I am happy with my A+ 19:44:28 <TrueBrain> I am disapointed LordAro is not giving me cookies :( 19:51:45 <TrueBrain> there, the forum button now also keeps you on https if you came from there :) 20:01:07 * Taede hands TrueBrain some home-made choc-chip cookies 20:01:08 <Taede> enjoy 20:01:45 <TrueBrain> nom nom nom nom 20:02:07 <TrueBrain> s@http://@//@g 20:02:09 <TrueBrain> lovely :) 20:03:42 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:18 *** _dp_ [~dP@95-55-15-112.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:49 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 20:16:09 *** _dp_ [~dP@178.71.229.58] has joined #openttd 20:17:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A014.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:21:02 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 20:21:15 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:47 <V453000> hm ... would like to do the scaling some other way than scaling the actual model 20:54:52 <V453000> but I dont think that is reasonably possible 21:00:26 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 21:01:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:15:23 *** minimoo_ [paul@2a01:4a0:44:118::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:47 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a4cb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:27:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:30:39 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:31 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:31 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:34:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74166f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:36:57 *** FLHerne [~flh@85.255.232.128] has joined #openttd 21:37:17 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A010.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:37:36 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.133.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:17 <Terkhen> good night 21:53:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:19 * LordAro gives TrueBrain some cookies 21:59:22 <LordAro> :) 21:59:30 <Samu> hi 22:00:14 <Samu> is SirkoZ a user of this chat? 22:00:59 <peter1138> @seen sirkoz 22:00:59 <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen sirkoz. 22:00:59 <TrueBrain> w00p, finally I received my cookie! 22:01:04 <TrueBrain> THANK YOU LORDARO :D 22:01:18 <Samu> oh, ty 22:01:30 <Samu> I need some moderating tips :9 22:01:55 <Samu> i upgraded all his trains, for that he thanked me 22:02:19 <Samu> but then i removed his station spreading and added transfer trucks 22:02:24 <Samu> and he hated me 22:02:25 <Samu> :( 22:03:01 <Samu> rage-quited 22:03:05 <ST2> maybe he couldn't read the server rules 22:03:19 <Samu> no rules, i dunno how to make that 22:03:21 <TrueBrain> rule 1: no rage-quitting? :P 22:03:57 <ST2> rule 1: no quitting! 22:03:58 <ST2> xD 22:04:05 <TrueBrain> :D 22:05:24 <Samu> well if you see him in your games, tell him the road vehicles are all profiting 22:05:34 <Samu> kinda 22:05:39 <Samu> £123 is minimum 22:05:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:05:44 <Samu> but that's positive 22:07:00 <Samu> his current profit catapulted him to be ahead of the AIs 22:07:43 <Samu> but they're getting close 22:08:35 <planetmaker> Samu, generally, if you join a company of someone, talk to that person how he likes to see his company managed 22:08:41 <planetmaker> not everyone likes feeder services 22:09:13 <planetmaker> replacing the use of station spread by use of many many transfer vehicles is not considered always a bonus. Quite simple 22:09:45 <Samu> hmm, i was attempting to maintain the same services 22:09:54 <Samu> but I see 22:10:24 <peter1138> It's usually safe to fix blockages 22:10:31 <peter1138> Beyond that I wouldn't do much. 22:10:40 <planetmaker> yup. Not without asking 22:12:31 <ST2> usually server communities have specific rules ingame, to make moderator actions justified, and explained to the player why (to he don't repeat same mistakes next time) 22:12:44 <ST2> that communication part is very inportant, imho 22:13:17 * Rubidium never had such issues on his server 22:13:22 <Samu> station spreading was 64 tiles 22:13:41 <Samu> i set it down to 12 22:13:52 <Samu> he really made use of that 22:14:04 <Samu> my fault as well 22:15:35 *** FLHerne [~flh@85.255.232.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:42 <Samu> entering the last last 9 years for this 22:18:52 <Samu> i wanna end it at 2050 22:18:52 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:20:57 *** minimoo [paul@atlantis.shroudbox.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:12 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-32-216.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:45 <Wolf01> 'night 22:21:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:24:16 *** minimoo [paul@atlantis.shroudbox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:27 *** minimoo [paul@atlantis.shroudbox.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:23 *** JayM_ [~oftc-webi@81.130.2.22] has joined #openttd 22:28:19 *** JayM_ [~oftc-webi@81.130.2.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:06 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:33:13 <supermop> yo 22:34:17 <supermop> planetmaker: thanks for feedback 22:39:02 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:50:03 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 22:50:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:57:03 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:41 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:16 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:26 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:47 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:27 <Samu> world recession with AI's 23:34:41 <Samu> equals long queues 23:34:56 <Samu> and trains killing trucks 23:35:17 <Samu> too long rv queues 23:37:31 <Samu> these recessions should happen more often 23:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> make a patch 23:37:53 <Samu> hmm :) 23:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (what have i done!) 23:38:30 <Samu> in 100 years, it happened 2 times 23:38:35 <Samu> only lasts 1 year :( 23:40:00 *** Oddingar [~Odd@141.0.247.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:13 <Samu> they could either have a more meaningful impact, lasting at least 5 years 23:40:29 *** Oddingar [~Odd@141.0.247.16] has joined #openttd 23:40:35 <ST2> Eddi|zuHause just invoked the doomdays xD 23:40:37 <Samu> or they could happen more often 23:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you only need to change one or two lines, and then add a setting, which is another 10 lines. you're done in an hour... 23:46:04 <glx> standard hours or very long ones ? 23:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 23:46:31 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on how fast you move 23:47:07 <ST2> and depends if user have daylength applied :D 23:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> if he moves close to the speed of light, one of his hours could feel like days for us 23:49:37 <planetmaker> and vice versa 23:50:15 <planetmaker> and only if he moves away from us 23:53:15 <ST2> but I guess sound speed would be enough ^^ 23:56:28 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]