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00:40:49 *** berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:09 *** berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has joined #openttd 00:49:19 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 01:33:53 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 01:45:46 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:35:45 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e0c8.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:42:45 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x5d82219f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:53 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:34:25 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.21] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5939.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66B9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:18:42 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.185.44] has quit [Quit: Hey folk, AdiIRC is here, try it!] 05:20:05 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 06:23:01 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:43:08 <andythenorth> o/ 06:54:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:13:56 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 07:16:59 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e0c8.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 07:38:59 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:46:33 <supermop> yo andy 07:46:39 <supermop> oops 07:58:39 <planetmaker> o/ 08:11:49 <supermop> hi planetmaker 08:28:55 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:30 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:48 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-98-111-253-226.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:52 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-98-111-253-226.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:35:00 <supermop> margarita time 10:15:20 *** olligobber [~olligobbe@110-175-1-178.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:15:36 <olligobber> My music isn't playing 10:15:46 <olligobber> I tried removing and reinstalling using content download 10:15:57 <olligobber> the midis play from the .openttd folder 10:16:14 <olligobber> it just makes really squeaky noises when I try to play it 10:17:19 <olligobber> ooh, it's playing... for now... 10:17:21 <olligobber> weird 10:18:28 <olligobber> ok, now it makes squeaky noises and then skips part way through the track 10:18:36 <olligobber> or all the way 10:19:44 <olligobber> I'm going to just reboot and maybe install timidity 10:19:49 <olligobber> *reinstall 10:19:53 *** olligobber [~olligobbe@110-175-1-178.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:35 *** olligobber [~olligobbe@110-175-1-178.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:21:42 <olligobber> definitely a timidity issue 10:22:06 <olligobber> reinstall did not help 10:22:46 <blathijs> olligobber: What distro? 10:22:54 <olligobber> blathijs, ubuntu 15.04 10:24:21 <blathijs> olligobber: Using the debian packages from Ubuntu, or openttd.org? 10:24:31 <olligobber> debian from apt-get 10:24:49 <blathijs> olligobber: That would be my handiwork, then :-) 10:24:58 <blathijs> olligobber: I think you're saying that running timidity manually on the commandline on the midi files works? 10:25:07 <olligobber> nope 10:25:27 <olligobber> opening midis in the media player works 10:25:36 <olligobber> not from timidity though 10:25:48 <blathijs> Ah, right. Tried running timidity manually? 10:25:57 <olligobber> yes, doesn't work 10:26:01 <olligobber> I'll post command line logs 10:26:08 <blathijs> You might need to configure an output source, I remember something about this. 10:26:14 <olligobber> http://pastebin.com/hQwVqd8K 10:26:36 <olligobber> ok, it works sometimes... 10:27:24 <olligobber> it sometimes works while other things are playing audio 10:27:30 <olligobber> no correlation 10:28:43 <blathijs> Hm, seems to not work here either. I just get a bit of garbled sounds for a few seconds and then timidity is done 10:28:49 <olligobber> yeah 10:28:59 <olligobber> same as what I get 10:29:03 <olligobber> except sometimes it works 10:29:18 <olligobber> Notes lost totally: 898 sometimes 10:30:45 <blathijs> I don't see timidity appearing in pavucontrol either, suggesting it's not connecting to pulsaudio through the pulse alsa plugin somehow 10:31:28 <olligobber> it was appearing in my sound controls 10:31:49 <olligobber> the ones in system settings 10:31:53 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.154.136.201] has joined #openttd 10:32:19 <blathijs> Oh wait, it appears, but is gone again within a second (before I switched to pavucontrol) 10:32:55 <olligobber> as if it's only playing a small portion of the song and skipping most of it 10:35:04 <olligobber> would using JACK instead of pulseaudio be helpful? 10:39:53 <blathijs> olligobber: Probably more complicated 10:40:47 <olligobber> hmm 10:41:03 <blathijs> pasuspender -- timidity up_on_the_housetop.mid -o hw:0 <-- that works for my, bypassing pulse 10:41:20 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has joined #openttd 10:42:08 <blathijs> olligobber: Perhaps you could report a bug at Ubuntu or Debian to the timidity package? 10:42:26 <olligobber> I can't bypass pulse 10:42:31 <blathijs> olligobber: If you do, paste me the link so I can subscribe 10:42:49 <blathijs> (bypassing was intended as a debug thing, not a solution) 10:42:55 * blathijs is off for lunch now, though 10:42:58 <olligobber> ok 10:53:11 <olligobber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/1469113 10:53:45 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 10:54:43 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:00:25 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 11:04:58 <blathijs> olligobber: thx 11:12:17 <olligobber> there goes my evening playing openttd XD 11:30:45 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:21 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:05:21 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-173-236.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:12:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 12:15:06 <Pikka> boink 12:15:10 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24:31 <olligobber> ... 12:31:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:32:27 <andythenorth> pipelines 12:43:10 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 12:46:18 <peter1138> Clogged. 12:48:06 <andythenorth> shameful 13:03:44 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:52 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-27-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:03 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 13:28:42 *** olligobber [~olligobbe@110-175-1-178.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:12 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:29:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:04:03 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 15:31:28 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:01 *** Celestar [~Celestar@x4d045057.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:13 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:57:46 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:56 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE43.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:59:13 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:01:29 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:09:07 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27319 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt (2015-06-26 19:45:13 +0200 ) 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> frisian - 1 changes by BAJansen 17:56:43 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.154.136.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:33 <andythenorth> o/ 18:06:55 <Alberth> o/ 18:07:24 <andythenorth> this is getting complex http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7356/FIRS_game.png 18:08:10 <andythenorth> have to build lots of pickup stations that donât trivially block each other 18:08:27 <andythenorth> and have through traffic :P 18:09:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f74090e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:10:43 <Alberth> o/ 18:10:54 <Alberth> very crowded andy :) 18:11:25 <frosch123> moin 18:12:06 <andythenorth> cdist needs split pickup :P 18:12:14 <andythenorth> which is a new style of building for me 18:15:34 * andythenorth has been inventing more game scripts 18:15:53 <andythenorth> Treasure Hunt 18:16:17 <andythenorth> âten treasure chests have been hidden in townsâ (number varies by map size) 18:16:45 <andythenorth> âdeliver 100 passengers a month to each town, who will look for the treasure" 18:16:52 <andythenorth> âhow fast can you find all ten?â 18:17:30 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-69-029.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:32 <andythenorth> also, unrelated 18:17:43 <andythenorth> implement the Monty Hall Problem in GS? o_O 18:17:44 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem 18:22:00 <Alberth> euhm, I fail to understand how people refuse to believe math 18:22:46 <LordAro> lol 18:24:10 <andythenorth> Alberth: you got the correct answer intuitively? 18:24:12 <andythenorth> most of us don't 18:24:16 <andythenorth> thatâs why itâs interesting 18:25:03 <Alberth> no I didn't, but I know not to trust instinct in these things, so I did a computation to get the answer 18:25:15 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:25:39 <andythenorth> you still have to frame the computation correctly 18:25:46 <andythenorth> most of us seem to misunderstand the problem 18:26:29 <Alberth> there are only 6 cases 18:26:40 <andythenorth> you did the grid? 18:27:07 <Alberth> I just wrote out all options, and counted 18:27:29 <Alberth> it's quite trivial :) 18:30:42 <andythenorth> I would have sworn it is 50:50 18:31:10 <andythenorth> along with 87% of other people :P 18:34:17 <Alberth> yeah, don't trust your instinct that you're any good at chances :) 18:35:46 *** Celestar1 [~Celestar@x4d04e00d.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:21 <andythenorth> BB has kept me playing 30 years longer than I expected 18:37:37 <Alberth> :) 18:37:53 <Alberth> hunting for treasure :p 18:38:44 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:36 *** Celestar [~Celestar@x4d045057.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:25 <andythenorth> thereâs treasure in it? o_O 18:56:29 <Alberth> if I say yes, you'll look forever for it? :) 18:58:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:21 <andythenorth> âforeverâ is quite a long time 18:59:42 * andythenorth might get bored 19:12:25 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:33 <andythenorth> trucks accelerate slowly :P 19:42:32 <andythenorth> @calc 550 / 92 19:42:32 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 5.97826086957 19:45:16 <andythenorth> @calc 7500 / 1362 19:45:16 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 5.50660792952 19:45:18 <andythenorth> hmm 19:45:26 <andythenorth> the train has less hp / ton 19:46:57 <Alberth> but more wheels :p 19:47:26 <andythenorth> speed = power / force 19:47:40 <andythenorth> @calc 550 / 48 19:47:40 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 11.4583333333 19:47:42 <Alberth> close enough :) 19:47:51 <andythenorth> @calc 7500 / 956 19:47:51 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 7.84518828452 19:47:53 <andythenorth> hmm 19:49:51 <andythenorth> the trucks take a long time to reach top speed of 80mph, even downhill 19:49:59 <andythenorth> but the trains reach top speed of 100mph fairly rapidly 19:50:54 <Supercheese> weight multiplier? 19:51:31 <andythenorth> 1 for trains 19:51:35 <andythenorth> n/a for RVs 19:51:46 <andythenorth> slope steepness 3% for both 19:51:53 <andythenorth> physics ârealisticâ for both 19:52:07 <andythenorth> the train also has relatively a lot more trailing weight 19:52:21 <andythenorth> > 50% of the weight of the truck is on the lead unit where power is applied 19:52:44 <Supercheese> hmm, well the calculations are indeed performed differently 19:53:33 <andythenorth> 76% of the train weight is trailing 19:55:02 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-173-236.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 20:01:55 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:06 <Supercheese> "inline uint32 GetRollingFriction()" 20:02:15 <Supercheese> Trams have a slightly greater friction coefficient than trains. 20:02:21 <Supercheese> The rest of road vehicles have bigger values." 20:02:24 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 20:03:11 <andythenorth> hmm 20:03:13 <andythenorth> plausible 20:03:43 <Supercheese> RV base friction is 75 whereas trains is 15 20:03:56 <Supercheese> according to cursory inspection of roadveh.h and train.h 20:04:05 <Supercheese> both increase as speed increases 20:04:44 <andythenorth> does it also factor in higher tractive of rubber wheels vs. steel? 20:04:53 <andythenorth> or is that left to the newgrf author? 20:05:43 <andythenorth> âA loaded truck has roughly four times as much specific rolling resistance (rr) as a loaded train car.â 20:08:48 <andythenorth> Terkhen might be remember something of this? o_O 20:10:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:50 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the TE property basically sets this resistance factor 20:24:34 <andythenorth> for HEQS I just adjusted TE until I got performance I liked 20:47:36 <andythenorth> itâs annoying that pipelines have to be double track 20:57:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:02:07 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:12:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:23:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:53:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE43.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE43.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:56:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: that is going to be a difficult desync :/ 21:57:05 <frosch123> some vehicle is stopping differently at a station 21:57:34 <frosch123> there must be something weird with the speed limit when braking at stations 21:58:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:38 <frosch123> oh, no, it's the pathfinder 22:03:53 <frosch123> no, it isn't, why are the day so long? 22:05:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE43.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f74090e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:13:46 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 23:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe someone enabled daylength? :p 23:44:27 <supermop_> yo