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00:00:12 <drac_boy> there is also this unofficially named a japan star war train :-> http://www.cheme.kyoto-u.ac.jp/foams15/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Nankai-Rapit.png 00:01:17 <sim-al2> Now that's a small picture... 00:01:43 <sim-al2> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Nankai_50000_series_201405040809_Neo_Xeon.jpg 00:01:56 <sim-al2> Always has looked really, really weird 00:04:30 <drac_boy> well at least you don't have to actually watch these everyday! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/12/bb/ed/12bbed0827fbd96603874e51cc385402.jpg sorry can't seem to find any non-thumbnail photo of that one 00:05:32 <drac_boy> this one probably isn't too bad as its just a livery paintover http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/18409781.jpg 00:05:44 <drac_boy> funny whiskers tho :) 00:06:01 <drac_boy> the other end of that same train has a slightr elevated image (the eyes are in windows instead) 00:06:22 *** Xal [~xal@S0106881fa12987ab.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:45 <sim-al2> I'm not sure where that character is from, I was going to guess Anpanman, but not sure 00:08:48 <sim-al2> Slightly weird train: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/JR-East_Anpanman.jpg 00:10:27 <drac_boy> well you just found a "theres a prototype for everything!" photo ;) 00:10:43 *** Birko [~Miranda@chello085216168013.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:48 <sim-al2> Btw, that cable car you posted, this thing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Kintetsu260-115.JPG , and the first train I posted, are all part of one company :) 00:11:10 <drac_boy> one of the kalbmach Trains issue once ran a photo of a small centercab diesel locomotive hauling a gondola converted into open-top tour coach and then behind that was a budd rdc 00:11:14 <sim-al2> Kintetsu, a rather major player around Osaka 00:11:34 <drac_boy> talk about two light diesels on a single tourist train heh 00:12:16 <sim-al2> I assume that most RDCs are not run on their own engines anymore, barring significant overhaul work 00:12:38 <sim-al2> Tons were converted to be regular coaches by the MBTA and others 00:12:54 <drac_boy> oh yeah weird one for some people but there was once a "what the...." titled photo of an excursion geep stopped with one rather big tumbleweed stuck to its pilot .. caption said a few passengers were summoned to help clear this off so the train could continue on its way 00:13:32 <drac_boy> I imagine it was around calfornia probably 00:14:30 <sim-al2> A lot of Japanese electric roads have workcars instead of locomotives for their maintenance needs: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Kintetsu_Moto75_Nara_JPN_001.JPG 00:15:47 <drac_boy> ex-emu? wouldn't surprise me at that clever reuse 00:17:14 <drac_boy> actually (and probably long before OSHA ever existed too) a few of these spindly light electric railroads in usa basically just took a flatcar that wasn't being used and hammer a wooden cab or two onto it then put up trolleypoles on the roof .. presto, crude work motor :) 00:17:24 <sim-al2> Of course, Toei (the Tokyo city-owned subway system) went the other way, having an electric locomotive (right) to pull the linear-motor powered EMUs of the Oedo line accross trackage of the Asakusa Line (not equipped with the linear rail): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Tokyo_Toei_E5003_Toei_12-000.JPG 00:18:22 <sim-al2> The big metal thing under the locomotive is the rail that the linear motor pulls on 00:19:05 <sim-al2> Appearently, using a linear motor helped allow smaller rolling stock, important for the very deep level Oedo line, which even then still cost a lot of money to bore 00:21:06 <sim-al2> Yeah, most of these work cars are ex-EMU, converted from older commuter units: JNR example: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/f/f9/JNR_EC_kuru144-14.jpg 00:21:36 <sim-al2> Some had lives as baggage units too: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/JNR_Kumonni143-7.jpg 00:21:50 <sim-al2> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/9/9d/JNR_kumoya143_shinagawa_inside.jpg 00:22:58 <sim-al2> A few hacked back into passenger cars: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Kumoha_123-1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/1987-8-kumoha123-5a.JPG 00:25:03 <drac_boy> btw I can't find one of these ex-flatcar "motors" now but heres a different image that shows what kind of things the little railroads loved to do before OSHA and other similar laws basically made them outlawed more or less http://www.hrtrains.com/images/gscratchbuiltworkcar.jpg 00:26:10 <sim-al2> Yeah, not much protection: http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr0602/tmd16.jpg 00:26:46 <drac_boy> aha yeah thats exactly the kind of cab-over-flat-wagon I was thinking of ^ .. just no wooden cab tho :) 00:28:52 <drac_boy> btw not exactly like you get a lot of photos of them but one particular ex-electric line I recall also had a heavyweight combine ... with one end's platform and steps rather somewhat noticeably bent more than 10 degree off from one too many downgrade "bang into someone else on the same track" hard couplings 00:29:21 <drac_boy> I always thought the passengers wisely used the other steps instead heh 00:29:42 <drac_boy> (it was a point to point railroad so the same end was always facing the downhill grade btw) 00:30:01 <sim-al2> I can't see how this could cause problems: http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr0102/isu1.jpg 00:30:48 <drac_boy> btw you remind me...one moment trying find a rack railway name again... 00:36:30 <drac_boy> well apparently the exact photo I had in mind wasn't shared online but anyway what would you had thought of something like this http://www.berrua.com/uploads/images/Gallery/rhune/La-Rhune-petit-train-04-a-PTR.jpg sitting at station with both pairs down while a man was actually standing around up on the roof fixing something ... and the overhead power was still live? :) 00:36:42 <drac_boy> yet another pre-workerregulations thing heh 00:37:27 <sim-al2> Well, with low voltages that might be ok, although very little room for error 00:37:46 <sim-al2> Assuming that the roof is grounded to the rails 00:38:19 <drac_boy> 3000V 50HZ wiki says (early ac I believe) 00:38:52 <sim-al2> Yeah, three-phase system too, but it only takes a connection between two phases to get a current 00:39:46 <sim-al2> The rails carry the third (somewhat like a regular system, where the rails are the ground side) 00:40:38 <drac_boy> if we're going to nitpick about feeds .. how about the london system? I'm not sure but I think its the only well known 4-rails system 00:42:03 <sim-al2> That's special though, with the fourth rail at a negative voltage 00:42:51 <sim-al2> Those trains can actually run on regular third rail too 00:46:21 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-195-191.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:54 <drac_boy> theres one more thing about the london tube too....I can't find a photo now but theres these L16 battery locomotives in top-n-tail with a gravel/trash train being hauled by some random diesel or electric locomotive on the normal mainlines 0_o 00:52:18 <drac_boy> guess they just found it easier than moving the locomotives off somewhere else and take the wagons alone 01:00:03 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-73-185-101.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 01:06:14 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:34 <sim-al2> It's possible that the LU still has vaccum brakes on those things 01:07:49 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@189-73-185-101.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:28 <sim-al2> Errr, nevermind they are air 01:10:17 <sim-al2> The thing is, they need 3rd or 4th rail to run very far, as the batteries aren't made for high-speed usage 01:10:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:48 <drac_boy> wiki keeps mentioning single and dual compressors so I imagine the newer ones are purely air/electric operations anyway :) 01:13:21 <sim-al2> I assume the air compressor thing is: normally, a lone locomotive would need to stop and apply the handbrake immediatly if the air compressor fails, as the air for the brake cylinders is coming directly from the main reservoir 01:13:55 <sim-al2> With a train, that's not as serious a problem, as the train brakes are fail-safe against that, and can stop the whole thing 01:14:06 <drac_boy> yeah 01:14:54 <sim-al2> Usually, there's a safety valve that can hold the brake cylinders against a loss of air, but it's not guarenteed in the same way a full automatic brake circuit is 01:15:14 <drac_boy> reminds me of some rather basic 0-4-0T and 0-6-0T that umm ... would scare anyone at the federal offices nowaday because guess what? the only brakes are either setting the throttle backward and/or wagon handbrakes :-> 01:15:41 <sim-al2> Railcars that are used singlley often have dual air circuits, like a car 01:16:12 <sim-al2> Hmmm, even the earliest locomotives had a wood block for braking 01:16:18 <drac_boy> there was actually one 0-4-0T that used to be used for a short but hilly line, it had no air system, no headlight, noone thought of a whistle either (funny enough it did still have a rope bell), etc 01:17:00 <drac_boy> its still preserved in excursion order but with a lot of modern thigns added including even a turbogenerator 01:17:28 <sim-al2> Industrial railways, especially the near minimum gauges ones, often had much less complicated equipment 01:17:49 <sim-al2> Since they aren't going fast anyway, corners can be cut :D 01:17:58 <drac_boy> you still have to ask how a 0-4-0T could come downhill with several handbrakes-only wagons tho :-s 01:18:15 <sim-al2> Need a guy on one or more wagons to put the brakes on 01:18:43 <sim-al2> And off, sorta like how railways did before automatic brakes 01:19:04 <sim-al2> Although, with a short train, hand signals could be used 01:19:20 <drac_boy> there were only three crew on that train: passenger conductor, engineer, fireman 01:19:54 <sim-al2> Alternatively, the locomotive itself could handle all the braking, assuming enough weight to hold the train 01:20:18 <drac_boy> btw if you do want a big use of hand brakes you should look at the Devil Pass (or was it Devil Hill?) train ... old ex-usa baldwin steam locomotives with many old wagons making the tough zig-zag route with tons of whistling 01:20:37 <sim-al2> Using the steam in reverse is certainly possible, but risks damage to the rods if not done with care 01:22:43 <drac_boy> ah its actually Devil Nose .. in ecuador area 01:22:57 <drac_boy> lot of wooden boxcars still in use too apparently 01:25:05 <drac_boy> either way sorry if you had more to say but I'm going off for tonight - see you some another time ok? :) 01:26:13 <sim-al2> Ok, night 01:26:47 <sim-al2> Hmm, that have a more modern railcar too 01:27:06 <sim-al2> Literally railbuses 01:27:20 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 02:15:21 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:34 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:10:46 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:21:49 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d08e52f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 03:22:32 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:28:46 *** 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22:11:43 *** _johanne1 [~johannes@port-92-203-245-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:47 <FLHerne> What sort of order would that look like anyway? How would you specify it? 22:25:54 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 22:30:59 <peter1138> i don't even know what it means 22:32:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:34:36 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:37 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:59 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-80-64.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:34 *** guru3_ [~guru3@109.200.19.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:07 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:41:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DAE1.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:02 *** Tharbakim [~Tharbakim@S0106b8a38656fe2c.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:10 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 23:52:12 <drac_boy> hi