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11:51:01 <Eddi|zuHause> other than two dudes who combined don't nearly have enough knowledge about programming such a large task attempt to code NewRoadTypes? 11:55:50 <Sacro> CustomBridgeHeads 11:55:51 <Sacro> ! 11:57:58 <__ln__> Brexit! 12:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> we should totally implement brexit. 12:08:54 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 12:09:00 <__ln__> yeah. like, first from 1900 to 2018 the currency is pound, and after that, it is pound. 12:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but it randomly halves the exchange rate, or something 12:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0L46y3IqI 12:27:36 <peter1138> NewBrexit! 12:41:33 *** Gja has joined #openttd 12:59:56 <Wolf01> :O is really __ln__? 13:01:40 <__ln__> moin Wolf01 13:01:57 *** bwn has joined #openttd 13:03:15 *** roidal has joined #openttd 13:03:51 <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> other than two dudes who combined don't nearly have enough knowledge about programming such a large task attempt to code NewRoadTypes? <- I'm one of the 2 :P 13:04:26 <Wolf01> BTW, it's "NotRoadTypes" 13:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> close enough :p 13:06:58 <Wolf01> At least I'm not the one who choose the name :P 13:10:05 *** roidal_ has quit IRC 13:15:21 <__ln__> i recently visited a former dutch colony. was big. 13:20:44 <Wolf01> New Amsterdam? 13:21:19 <__ln__> yes, that one. 13:27:43 <__ln__> then took a bus through sweden and others, and ended up in an old english colony. 13:33:13 <Wolf01> We missed the Riddler :D 13:53:31 *** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd 14:28:55 <__ln__> also i recommend smithsonian's steven f. udvar-hazy center to everyone not having visited it yet. 14:50:11 *** supermop has quit IRC 15:53:45 *** supermop has joined #openttd 15:55:45 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:55:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:55:58 <Alberth> o/ 15:56:52 <crem> \o 16:04:07 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 16:06:54 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 16:23:28 *** zeta has quit IRC 16:25:24 *** zeta has joined #openttd 16:33:50 *** keoz has joined #openttd 16:49:07 *** bwn has quit IRC 16:51:49 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:53:26 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:11:14 *** bwn has joined #openttd 17:30:51 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 17:37:36 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:50:04 *** Jinassi2 has joined #openttd 17:50:04 *** Jinassi is now known as Guest352 17:50:04 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 17:50:19 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:50:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:50:59 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:55:35 *** Guest352 has quit IRC 18:02:39 <Wolf01> o/, quak 18:09:00 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 18:15:15 <frosch123> hoi 18:19:25 <Alberth> hola 18:20:14 *** Jinassi2 has joined #openttd 18:20:14 *** Jinassi is now known as Guest355 18:20:14 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 18:23:39 <goodger> I would like to publicly applaud deutsche bahn for their low ticket prices. That is all. 18:25:42 *** Guest355 has quit IRC 18:33:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 18:37:01 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 18:41:18 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:42:12 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** Jinassi2 has joined #openttd 18:50:23 *** Jinassi is now known as Guest358 18:50:23 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 18:56:42 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:56:52 *** Guest358 has quit IRC 18:56:58 <Alberth> o/ 18:57:03 <andythenorth> lo 18:57:38 <Wolf01> o/ 18:58:01 <andythenorth> peat cargo? 18:58:15 <andythenorth> -> power station, hardware store (for house fuel) 18:58:16 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 18:58:22 <Wolf01> andythenorth, I filled the Claas with motors O_o 18:58:29 <andythenorth> Wolf01: seems wise 18:59:02 <andythenorth> should I buy it? 18:59:23 <Wolf01> It's really good and the steering mechanism is nice 18:59:50 <Wolf01> I had to rebuild it completely to be able to put 5 motors inside 19:00:07 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 19:00:20 <andythenorth> £90 at Tesco 19:00:27 *** zwamkat has joined #openttd 19:00:36 <andythenorth> that green makes me feel physically sick though, weird reaction I had 19:01:05 <supermop> andythenorth: peat seems a bit too pre-industrial 19:01:12 <Wolf01> https://www.amazon.co.uk/LEGO-42054-Technic-XERION-Building/dp/B01CCT2ZLS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479754852&sr=8-1&keywords=lego+claas £83 at amazon 19:01:16 <Wolf01> *84 19:01:46 <andythenorth> shocking 19:02:02 <andythenorth> supporting Bezos though? :P 19:02:21 <goodger> andythenorth: you should include something that causes the land around the peat extraction site to fall below sea level 19:02:30 <andythenorth> I just read a book about that 19:02:42 <andythenorth> why Europe developed capitalism 19:02:59 <andythenorth> because the Dutch and Silesians and Flemish and so forth dug out all the peat 19:03:10 <andythenorth> and then needed to form corporations to build dykes 19:03:20 <andythenorth> 1000+ years ago 19:03:38 <andythenorth> funny what compressed wet moss can lead to 19:03:52 <goodger> that is indeed what I was referring to 19:04:13 <goodger> there's still a street here whose name translates as 'Peat Market' 19:06:18 <andythenorth> Wolf01: bought it :P 19:06:29 <supermop> andy 19:06:30 <Wolf01> Ha! :D 19:06:49 <supermop> andythenorth: a dollar for bezos is a dollar against trump? 19:06:53 <andythenorth> if I don’t like it, can rebuild my JCB fastrac 19:07:07 <andythenorth> which kind of sucks for playability 19:08:21 <supermop> whoa bucket wheel 19:08:50 *** roidal has quit IRC 19:10:29 <andythenorth> bucket wheel I have literally zero interest :) 19:10:41 <andythenorth> big price tag, and long tedious build 19:10:45 <andythenorth> limited swooshability 19:10:55 <andythenorth> imho 19:11:36 <supermop> does it come with a pile of thousands of 1x1 flat pieces to scoop up? 19:11:58 <andythenorth> 10s of round bricks 19:12:29 <supermop> really want at least 100,000 to scoop 19:13:45 <andythenorth> it’s very slow, Lego made a video with about 6 of them scooping 10k bricks or so 19:13:48 <andythenorth> very dull :) 19:13:53 <andythenorth> meanwhile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_energy_in_Finland 19:15:37 <supermop> i already feel guilty sending coal to power plants in openttd, no way i'd have the heart to mine peat 19:16:32 <supermop> bad enough that burning coal paid to send me to university 19:17:14 * andythenorth grew up in a coal mining town 19:17:15 <andythenorth> [shrug] 19:17:19 <andythenorth> it’s a game :) 19:18:48 <supermop> newgrf to add single tear to manager faces 19:19:41 <supermop> andythenorth: i got to go inside a cooling tower when i was 10 19:20:04 * andythenorth has not done that 19:20:10 <andythenorth> ‘but there’s nothing in them!’ 19:20:11 <supermop> one of these two 19:20:13 <supermop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Power_Plant 19:20:39 <andythenorth> big 19:20:57 <supermop> v. steamy inside 19:21:05 <supermop> also: boiler v. hot 19:23:42 <andythenorth> I went round this 19 years ago http://www.whitehorsenews.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/cement1.jpg 19:23:52 <andythenorth> kiln, crusher, all of it 19:23:55 <andythenorth> hot, loud 19:24:48 <supermop> gavin plant had a lime crusher for the scrubbers 19:26:02 <andythenorth> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23615-westbury-cement-works-and-trains-2003-2004/ 19:28:55 <andythenorth> also http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic 19:32:02 <andythenorth> that might be done 19:39:15 *** Jinassi has quit IRC 19:47:16 <supermop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_C._Cook_Nuclear_Generating_Station 19:47:37 <supermop> i can vouch that the animated model is pretty cool 19:50:13 <Alberth> nice long industry chain in the arctice basic, andy :) 19:53:06 <andythenorth> I am going to try adding peat, but it might add nothing :) 19:54:40 <Alberth> other than peat, I assume :p 19:55:08 <andythenorth> hmm 19:55:16 <andythenorth> I’d have to draw a peat bog 19:55:25 <andythenorth> and debate whether it’s engineering supplies or farm supplies :P 19:55:32 * andythenorth skips that idea 20:05:36 <Alberth> :) 20:06:51 <supermop> no supplies to bog mabe? 20:08:14 <andythenorth> maybe 20:08:18 <andythenorth> but eh 20:08:32 *** keoz has quit IRC 20:10:26 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 20:13:33 *** aard has joined #openttd 20:19:03 <andythenorth> ugh 20:19:11 <andythenorth> I did ‘hg up [rev]’ 20:19:16 <andythenorth> and now I can’t get back to tip :P 20:19:30 <andythenorth> I am such a mercurial idiot 20:19:35 <andythenorth> maybe I should get a GUI client for it 20:20:36 <frosch123> hg up default 20:20:42 <frosch123> "tip" almost never makes sense 20:21:42 <andythenorth> ok, still stuck at rev 5054 after ‘hg up default’ 20:21:55 <andythenorth> default head is at 5071 20:23:30 <frosch123> what is the hash? 20:23:47 <frosch123> hg identify 20:24:20 <andythenorth> it’s user error as usual 20:24:37 <andythenorth> make wasn’t seeing any changes to build, and my editor wasn’t reloading files, which it usually does 20:25:03 <andythenorth> so neither source nor compiled docs were correct for what was on disk :P 20:30:15 <V453000> fuck VCS, use rocks 20:31:40 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:43:54 <Alberth> backup, backup2, old, old2, new, newnew :) 20:45:29 <andythenorth> finalfinal 20:45:48 *** Arveen has quit IRC 21:09:40 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 21:12:35 <andythenorth> work in progress… http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#steeltown 21:12:38 *** shirish has joined #openttd 21:19:57 <supermop> yesss 21:21:13 <supermop> this is the kind of thing that i think firs economies are made for 21:21:42 <andythenorth> not sure about oil refinery + chemical plant 21:21:53 <supermop> hmm 21:21:56 <andythenorth> or maybe it’s a chain oil -> refined oil -> chemical plant 21:22:01 <supermop> is this midwestern? 21:22:17 <andythenorth> great lakes / rhine valley 21:22:24 <andythenorth> either 21:22:28 <supermop> we do have oil here, although its usually 90-200 miles south of the steel mills on the lakes 21:22:31 <andythenorth> also probably russia 21:22:38 <andythenorth> oil is import cargo 21:22:52 <supermop> southern Illinois has /had lot of oil 21:22:52 <andythenorth> also probably japan + china this works for 21:22:55 <supermop> hmm 21:23:30 <andythenorth> I don’t want to do an additional heavy industry economy 21:23:33 <andythenorth> just this one 21:23:38 <supermop> sounds good 21:23:49 <andythenorth> so if we want a more detailed chemicals chain, it’s here :P 21:24:13 <supermop> postwar japan lots of big steel supported smokestacks painted orange and white? 21:24:15 <V453000> looks pretty cool 21:24:54 <V453000> wtf manganese though? 21:25:23 *** minimoo has quit IRC 21:25:28 <andythenorth> comes from one of the other economies 21:25:31 <andythenorth> makes stainless steel 21:25:49 <andythenorth> has a unique colour 21:25:53 <andythenorth> dark grey 21:25:55 <andythenorth> is main thing :P 21:26:23 <supermop> for making Budd rail cars 21:26:47 * andythenorth picking cargos for colour now 21:26:54 <andythenorth> sulfur added to Arctic Basic, because http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6RG-yt868QU/Ubi3URwFtyI/AAAAAAAAB4I/dQmL-dna-6A/s1600/great%2Bpyramids%2Bof%2Balberta-749064.jpg 21:26:55 <V453000> well yeah 21:26:57 <V453000> but it just "ends 21:27:02 <V453000> in the chain 21:27:38 <supermop> andythenorth: that looks like it smells lovely 21:28:08 <andythenorth> chains are all fucked up V453000 :) 21:28:13 <andythenorth> missing industries and stuff 21:28:38 <supermop> no aluminum to alloy with the steel? 21:28:45 <andythenorth> shared it to see if anyone had ideas I had missed 21:28:50 <andythenorth> aluminium, maybe 21:28:56 <andythenorth> ‘metal’ or ‘steel’ now? 21:29:03 <andythenorth> there will be copper, nickel, pig iron 21:29:03 <supermop> steel 21:29:06 <andythenorth> yair 21:29:12 <andythenorth> clue’s in the economy name I guess :P 21:29:21 <Alberth> :) 21:29:39 <supermop> if you have nickle etc floating around, 'metal' sounds absurd 21:30:34 <andythenorth> ok, but I’m not doing special names for each type of alloy ;) 21:30:40 <supermop> also if new player is playing, and metal workshop says 'needs metal' they may try to dump nickle there and wonder why it doesn't work 21:31:09 <supermop> black iron/ductile iron? 21:31:46 <Alberth> we need a cargo named "green", but coloured red :p 21:31:52 <supermop> where is the molybdenum workshop 21:32:49 <andythenorth> we are not doing 200 / 300 / 400 / 500 grade steel :P 21:33:05 <supermop> 6061 aluminum 21:33:24 *** minimoo has joined #openttd 21:33:42 <supermop> barstock/sheet/ignot 21:33:54 <andythenorth> you need 128 cargos :P 21:33:58 <andythenorth> and a catalog 21:34:27 <supermop> "sorry stamping plant only accepts sheet of 20 ga. or thinner, you actually supplied plate" 21:36:12 <andythenorth> so iron ore + limestone + coke = pig iron at blast furnace 21:36:29 <andythenorth> I need another industry for pig iron + manganese + nickel = steel 21:36:41 <andythenorth> can’t find any suitable pictures 21:36:42 <supermop> andythenorth: signal wires as primary source for copper? the more produced, the more likely your signals get nicked by scrap thieves? 21:36:59 <andythenorth> maybe :P 21:37:08 <supermop> andythenorth: they just look like big boxey corrugated sheds 21:37:16 <andythenorth> ach, also current ‘steel mill’ would renamed ‘blast furnace’ http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#steel_mill 21:37:18 <andythenorth> that’s confusing 21:37:30 <andythenorth> what do I call the steel-making industry? :P 21:37:44 <supermop> modern steel plants look pretty generic 21:37:49 <supermop> hmmm 21:38:11 <andythenorth> basic oxygen plant? :P 21:39:10 <supermop> http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photodeck.com/c4d7879e-be40-11e2-83e4-3783702760a2/130513_0031_xlarge.jpg 21:39:48 <andythenorth> inside of them is boss 21:39:51 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 21:40:06 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:40:08 <andythenorth> http://www.library.fordham.edu/steelarchive/hogan-44.jpg 21:40:13 <andythenorth> outside…less 21:40:49 <supermop> the HD video of japanese steel mill in the intro to gran turismo 5 was the best part of the game 21:42:29 <andythenorth> https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6386260997_c8af85d597_b.jpg 21:43:08 <andythenorth> might hack http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#pyrite_smelter 21:43:48 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:44:17 <supermop> a lot of the old ones in NJ here have roofs like that 21:45:37 <supermop> grimey corrugated sheds + greeble + pipes + girders = any industry 21:45:59 <supermop> just have python randomly combine those elements 21:46:24 <andythenorth> ha 21:46:51 * andythenorth -> bed 21:46:53 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:51:26 *** alask0ud has joined #openttd 21:58:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:06:07 *** aard has quit IRC 22:08:41 *** keoz has joined #openttd 22:21:16 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:22:23 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:24:00 *** Jinassi has quit IRC 22:28:00 *** Gja has quit IRC 22:50:38 *** maciozo has quit IRC 23:00:14 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 23:18:38 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 23:20:21 *** supermop has quit IRC 23:37:42 *** keoz has quit IRC 23:47:09 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 23:50:37 *** bwn has quit IRC 23:53:44 *** bwn has joined #openttd 23:58:17 *** crabster has quit IRC