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I ran out of iron, bad, really bad 10:03:38 <V453000> I feel like running out of everything atm 10:04:09 <Wolf01> Also copper mine is not at its best 10:54:14 *** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd 11:15:26 <Wolf01> V, is possible to select what to deconstruct with blueprints? 11:39:10 *** Cals has quit IRC 12:12:21 *** Fatmice has quit IRC 12:18:01 *** Cals has joined #openttd 12:19:59 *** CompuDesktop has joined #openttd 12:22:30 *** Compu has quit IRC 12:44:04 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest653 12:44:05 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 12:49:05 *** Guest653 has quit IRC 13:03:42 <Wolf01> Converted every kind of smelter/vehicle to run on wood... at least I found an use for the 40k+ wood I had in the crates 13:16:26 <V453000> Wolf01: not yet :) 13:17:14 <Wolf01> I installed the tree regrowth mod, it's fantastic if you would like to burn the world 13:17:51 <Wolf01> Every now and then I need to get rid of some trees to be able to move between outposts 13:18:12 <Wolf01> So I have *A LOT* of wood 13:24:19 <Alkel_U3> Wolf01: there's some Upgrade planner mod which also lets you deconstruct selectively 13:24:47 <V453000> ^ 13:25:54 <Alkel_U3> also, a lot of wood calls for Charcoal burner mod :-) 13:26:17 <V453000> ^ :) 13:26:41 <V453000> add bergius process and you got it all the way towards rocket fuel :> 13:29:39 <Alkel_U3> I've got rocket fuel covered with Beyond - a little more complicated but also fun and also growable for the most part 13:44:22 *** Cals has quit IRC 13:52:56 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 15:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, so this happened... 15:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a job interview, and when the third thing i said was "i like python", they pretty much wanted to hire me on the spot 15:03:20 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:04:26 <Wolf01> Once upo a time, a month ago, it happened that I had a job interview, when I said I have experience they said "cool", and they looked for a 20yo to hire as apprentice 15:06:35 *** Jinassi has quit IRC 15:29:18 <V453000> XD 15:44:12 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:44:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:49:27 *** keoz has joined #openttd 16:01:06 <Alberth> o/ 16:14:44 <V453000> yo 16:22:34 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:23:34 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 16:27:52 *** newbie37 has joined #openttd 16:31:32 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 16:32:15 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 16:40:32 *** Gaby_ has joined #openttd 16:51:24 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:05:02 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:05:54 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:07:07 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:10:25 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:24:12 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:25:23 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:25:35 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:25:48 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:43:28 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:43:34 <Wolf01> Quak 17:43:54 <frosch123> moi 17:44:14 <frosch123> is there new stuff to pull? 17:44:28 <Wolf01> There's a patch for roadstops in my gist 17:44:31 <frosch123> i.e. do you have stuff that is not in andy's repo? 17:44:59 <Wolf01> No, only that, andy pulled everything 17:45:37 <Wolf01> I have some weird problems getting the current roadtype on roadstops 17:46:04 <Wolf01> https://gist.github.com/Wolfolo/21b9c4f6387c8d8546ddb1d165f90f6b 17:46:14 <Wolf01> I would like to rely on m7 7..6 17:46:33 <Wolf01> Or remove the assert for MP_ROAD from GetRoadBits() 17:49:34 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:49:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:53:30 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 17:57:35 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:58:17 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 18:01:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 18:05:30 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:11:34 <frosch123> that diff does not apply to andy's head 18:12:00 <Wolf01> Maybe he updated more things 18:12:36 <Wolf01> What does conflict? 18:12:50 <frosch123> all of road_map, maybe it is an eol-style issue :p 18:13:01 <Wolf01> Could be 18:15:16 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 18:15:35 <frosch123> RoadTypeIdentifiers::FromTile does not exist in my working copy 18:15:48 <frosch123> you have some changeset before, which i do not ahve 18:16:23 <Wolf01> Maybe andy pulled just before that change 18:16:37 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 18:17:18 <frosch123> there is also no new stuff in wolf/dev 18:17:55 <Wolf01> Discard wolf/dev, I deprecated that 18:18:05 <Wolf01> I work on andy/wolf 18:18:07 <frosch123> there is also wolf/gui and wolf/master 18:18:18 <frosch123> oh, origin/wolf 18:18:23 <frosch123> did not know about that one :) 18:18:39 <frosch123> yeah, that did a fast-forward 18:19:18 <Wolf01> I would like to delete my clone, having all the branches with the same names created a lot of confusion 18:19:45 <Wolf01> Also when andy merged my early gui to master which was even incompatible with my dev 18:21:16 <frosch123> i merged andy/wolf into andy/road-and-tram-types 18:21:22 <Wolf01> +1 18:21:24 <frosch123> no idea what is the point of andy/wolf 18:22:11 <Wolf01> I could work directly on road-and-tram, indeed 18:22:27 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 18:40:14 <frosch123> Wolf01: the assert in GetRoadBits is correct 18:40:25 <frosch123> you are supposed to call GetAnyRoadBits 18:40:35 <frosch123> if it shall work for all "roady" tiles 18:40:59 <Wolf01> GetAnyRoadBits uses GetRoadBits 18:41:14 <frosch123> hmm, do you mean GetRoadTypes? 18:41:20 <Wolf01> No, bits 18:41:43 <frosch123> GetAnyRoadBits does not use GetRoadBits for stations 18:43:21 <frosch123> btw. doxygen comments start with /**, not /* 18:43:57 <frosch123> how do i trigger your problem? 18:44:16 <Wolf01> Remove a roadstop with base road or tram 18:44:25 <Wolf01> All other ones work 18:44:39 <Wolf01> They all restore the correct road type 18:45:43 <frosch123> i see, it doesn't even set the right bits :p 18:46:28 <Wolf01> Because it sees "0" and thinks there is no road, but 0 is the normal road 18:47:54 <frosch123> sounds like it compares roadtypes with roadsubtypes 18:51:18 <frosch123> RoadTypeIdentifiers::FromTile fails 18:51:29 <Wolf01> Yes 18:51:38 <frosch123> ah, there is a todo 18:51:58 <Wolf01> Because can't figure out how to get the roadtype/subtype reliably 18:54:47 <frosch123> why do you check the roadbits? there are roadtypes 18:55:13 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 18:55:39 <Wolf01> Because the spec said to deprecate the m7 bits 7..6 18:56:00 <Wolf01> And use roadbits to check if road exists in the tile 18:56:37 <Wolf01> I would like to not deprecate them and use them in RoadTypeIdentifiers::FromTile 18:57:00 <frosch123> i don't know that spec then :) 18:57:24 <frosch123> but for roadstops m7 7..6 are needed, they are the only criterion 18:57:47 <Wolf01> https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/wiki 18:58:15 <Wolf01> Ho, he didn't copy all the pastes 18:58:25 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:58:31 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 18:59:19 <frosch123> that page does not mention m7 18:59:28 <frosch123> it talks about 15 subtypes, while we have 16 18:59:50 <Wolf01> There's a rogue paste from openttdcoop 19:00:50 <Wolf01> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/psgp4tw79 19:01:08 <Wolf01> Dinner, bbl 19:02:40 <frosch123> Wolf01: ok, that paste implies that we only have 15 subtypes, and one of them means "no road/no tram" 19:03:02 <frosch123> not sure we really want to do that though 19:03:25 *** keoz has quit IRC 19:03:27 <frosch123> otoh, using 1 bit for road present, and then 4 for the type is also redundant 19:04:16 <frosch123> ok, so using only subtypes without the roadtype, would mean to use subtype 0xF as "no type" 19:06:05 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:06:58 *** newbie37 has quit IRC 19:12:30 *** BluesInTheNet has quit IRC 19:22:54 <Wolf01> Back, line 4 meant the RoadTypes bits, or m7 7..6 19:25:22 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pwaywzcai 19:25:32 <frosch123> i think the spec means option 1 19:25:38 <frosch123> and i think i like it more than option 2 19:26:17 <frosch123> it reduced the number of road/tramtypes to 15, but if we would add the extra bit we could rather support 31 types 19:26:23 <frosch123> so, i prefer the 15 version 19:26:36 <Wolf01> Me too 19:27:16 <Wolf01> I already had a talk with andy about this, he decided for 16 because he liked the number, but no real need 19:27:49 <frosch123> 16 makes no sense, either 15 or 31 :) 19:27:56 <Wolf01> So even with 8 is good... who'll use 16 different roads and 16 different trams? 19:28:15 <frosch123> oh, i have no doubt that people could fill up 31 typs 19:28:24 <frosch123> with different speed and weight restrictions 19:28:51 <frosch123> but i would consider those newgrf to have BAD FEATURES :) 19:29:20 *** roidal has quit IRC 19:31:33 <Jinassi> NuTracks expaning features? I welcome the new NuRoads overlords 19:31:48 <Wolf01> Lol 19:41:29 *** aard has joined #openttd 19:59:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 20:00:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 20:05:04 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 20:10:15 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:34:56 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:40:23 <V453000> anydbody haz link to jenkins? 20:40:24 <V453000> I can't seem to find it :D 20:40:29 <V453000> want to see how yeti goes 20:42:32 <Alberth> V453000: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/yeti/ 20:42:43 <V453000> thanks :) 20:43:10 <Alberth> just search "jenkins" on the site, then adjust a random link to yeti :) 20:44:13 <V453000> hm I don't seem to have a login at jenkins 20:44:22 <V453000> would love to cancel the current build and force the next one 20:45:50 <Alberth> you could try the #openttdcoop.devzone for more powerful users 20:46:34 <V453000> I'll probably wait 20:46:40 <V453000> I won't be awake when it finishes anyway 20:46:47 <Alberth> otherwise: https://xkcd.com/303/ 20:46:47 <V453000> so I will have to do in the morning regardless 20:51:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 20:51:06 <andythenorth> o/ 20:51:15 <Alberth> o/ 20:51:21 <V453000> yo cat 20:51:57 <andythenorth> is BRIX? 20:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> BRIXIT? 20:52:20 <andythenorth> BRIXIT means BRIXIT 20:52:29 <andythenorth> and tautology means tautology 20:52:37 <V453000> BRIX dying 20:52:41 <andythenorth> always 20:52:53 <V453000> and being born at the same time 20:52:56 <V453000> it's wtf 20:55:41 <Wolf01> o/ 21:00:30 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:06:33 *** silly-tux has joined #openttd 21:06:38 *** silly-tux has left #openttd 21:10:08 *** Jinassi2 has joined #openttd 21:10:08 *** Jinassi is now known as Guest686 21:10:08 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 21:13:52 *** Guest686 has quit IRC 21:17:16 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:38:41 <Jinassi> Farms in FIRS not grouping anymore? Or is it climate specific? 21:42:32 *** Arveen has quit IRC 21:43:17 *** aard has quit IRC 21:43:45 <andythenorth> FIRS v2 has grouping, but much wider spacing 21:43:52 <andythenorth> and higher production 21:44:03 <andythenorth> overlapping lots of little farms was a nice idea…but FAIL 21:44:16 <andythenorth> as it’s very tedious to deliver supplies to each one 21:45:04 <andythenorth> Jinassi: ^ 21:45:44 <Jinassi> Noted, the difficulty itself was very rewarding, as people had to figure out how to use them to their full potential. 21:46:35 * andythenorth is too lazy :) 21:47:09 <Jinassi> Is there a posibility to have that as a variable please? 21:48:03 <andythenorth> no, it’s too intricate 21:48:24 <andythenorth> needs to adjust probability, clustering distance and production amounts 21:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the correct answer would have been "i'm too lazy" again :p 21:48:32 <andythenorth> also 21:48:41 <Jinassi> Not a problem, thank you for response 21:48:59 <andythenorth> FIRS forks seem to be quite viable 21:49:17 <andythenorth> couple of people succeeding with them who are clearly not experienced programmers 21:49:38 <andythenorth> I encourage forks :) (but no support) :P 21:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> as if FIRS were coded by an experienced programmer :p 21:50:41 <andythenorth> I am a highly experienced devloloper 21:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> emphasis on "LOL" :p 21:52:00 <andythenorth> I have been *writing* code nearly all my life 21:52:18 <Wolf01> Copy pasting from stackoverflow? 21:52:27 <andythenorth> stack overflow in 1982 :P 21:52:36 <andythenorth> copy-paste from the BBC Basic manual 21:52:53 <andythenorth> now I have forgotten my next joke Wolf01 :( 21:53:10 <andythenorth> it was great 21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> then it was not a good one. 21:54:07 <andythenorth> we will never know 21:54:10 <andythenorth> a sad loss 21:54:27 <Wolf01> I have a joke for you, 15 types are enough and 0xF to identify no road/tram? https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pwaywzcai 21:54:43 <Wolf01> (proposal by the frog one) 21:54:47 <andythenorth> that kind of question needs a programmer :P 21:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 15 types ought to be enough for everyone 21:55:04 <andythenorth> there you go 21:55:06 <andythenorth> what eddi said 21:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like every time that question came up i gave a different answer 21:55:28 <Wolf01> 640k 21:56:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause <= magic 8 ball 21:56:43 <andythenorth> Wolf01: more than 15 is daft 21:56:51 <Wolf01> Mmmh, we should port the factorio autorail to ottd 21:57:02 <Wolf01> More than 15 is 16 21:57:07 <andythenorth> that too 21:57:13 <andythenorth> given that each type needs a tile, and that only one type per tile 21:57:28 <andythenorth> fitting 15 types on the map would take dedication 21:57:34 <andythenorth> and probably a lot of bridges 21:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really the question 21:57:43 <andythenorth> or they’d all be compatible 21:57:52 <andythenorth> which is silly 21:58:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: better question? 21:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> {dirt, cobble, asphalt, concrete}x{bare, catenary}x{town,country} and you have 16 21:59:33 <Wolf01> You wouldn't put catenary on dirt 22:00:01 <Wolf01> -> 15 22:00:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you sure? these electric mining trucks seem to disagree 22:00:31 <Wolf01> Batteries 22:00:55 <andythenorth> catenary 22:01:03 <andythenorth> it’s trivial to use up all the types 22:01:17 <Wolf01> Mmmh, I need to plan carefully this new station 22:01:26 <andythenorth> it’s just not very interesting to support the people making model train sets 22:02:01 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I am +1 for the record, I think it’s a non-controversial decision 22:03:12 <andythenorth> if 15 is absolutely definitely needed, then 16 probably isn’t enough either 22:04:36 <Wolf01> We should just decide a reasonable limit which makes also sense when developing it, 16 already proved to not make sense 22:04:56 <andythenorth> 15 22:07:54 <andythenorth> also bed :) 22:07:55 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:08:57 *** ConductorCat has joined #openttd 22:09:35 <Wolf01> Cats going and coming... what this channel became? 22:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing missing is danmack joining and doing @seen andythenorth 22:13:26 <Wolf01> ln even came back, what are the odds? 22:15:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:15:40 *** ConductCat has quit IRC 22:38:46 *** keoz has joined #openttd 22:59:45 *** keoz has quit IRC 23:09:18 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:10:14 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:14:42 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:23:28 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:25:48 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:26:42 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:50:37 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 23:50:43 *** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd 23:51:09 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 23:51:32 *** welshdragon has quit IRC