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00:00:20 *** Gja has quit IRC 00:14:18 <Samu> there is a bug in acceleration with trains 00:14:37 <Samu> they go faster on bridges 00:14:39 *** JezK_ has quit IRC 00:14:59 <Samu> ST2: were you aware of this? 00:15:07 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 00:43:42 <Wolf01> 'night 00:44:56 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 00:45:49 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 00:54:58 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 00:59:38 *** markasoftware has joined #openttd 01:00:00 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 01:04:08 *** Samu has quit IRC 01:16:48 *** maciozo has quit IRC 03:38:36 *** JezK_ has quit IRC 03:45:32 *** glx has quit IRC 03:46:54 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 03:59:00 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 03:59:00 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 04:05:48 *** tokai has quit IRC 04:58:34 *** supermop has quit IRC 05:24:14 *** markasoftware has quit IRC 05:42:21 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 05:48:24 *** Keridos has quit IRC 06:37:28 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 07:16:05 *** m1cr0man has quit IRC 07:17:09 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:24:02 *** Warrigal has quit IRC 07:25:00 *** Warrigal has joined #openttd 07:27:09 *** JezK_ has quit IRC 08:14:16 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 08:15:28 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 08:20:37 *** Sova has joined #openttd 08:43:54 *** Markk_ has joined #openttd 08:45:45 *** Markk has quit IRC 08:45:45 *** Markk_ is now known as Markk 08:55:23 *** Extrems` has joined #openttd 08:55:29 *** Extrems has quit IRC 08:55:32 *** Extrems` is now known as Extrems 09:04:32 *** ZirconiumY has joined #openttd 09:14:29 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 09:29:17 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:40:41 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 10:10:40 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 10:22:09 *** Samu has joined #openttd 10:22:45 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 11:02:48 *** ZirconiumY has quit IRC 11:04:11 *** supermop has joined #openttd 11:04:44 <ZirconiumX> Well I can now build roads and depots. 11:04:56 <ZirconiumX> Bus routes are going to be a pain. 11:09:24 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 11:10:01 *** Sova has quit IRC 11:16:05 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 11:24:35 *** ATS65 has joined #openttd 11:29:40 *** Samu has quit IRC 11:31:39 *** ATS64 has quit IRC 12:06:45 *** m1cr0man has joined #openttd 12:09:44 *** Sova has joined #openttd 12:11:43 *** ATS64 has joined #openttd 12:18:56 *** ATS65 has quit IRC 12:46:52 *** Sova has quit IRC 12:47:22 *** Sova has joined #openttd 12:48:55 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 12:49:36 <Wolf01> o/ 12:49:43 <ZirconiumX> Hi Wolf 13:39:47 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 14:00:06 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 14:18:11 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 14:27:15 <supermop> yo 14:27:22 <Wolf01> o/ 14:28:57 <ZirconiumX> Hello 14:30:27 <crem> Hello/ 14:31:17 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:33:40 <supermop> i must be doing it wrong, because adding all these parameters and switches for depot styles in docklands has like doubled the length of the code 14:34:51 <Wolf01> IMO you should just do what please yourself 14:36:04 <Wolf01> Most of the flags won't be used by 99% of the players, just the one which selects CHIPS or ISR could be needed 14:36:31 <supermop> you are probably right 14:37:37 <supermop> i mean clearly all 4 road types using the same depot is kind of lame, but just simply providing a different depot with each one would still give most users all the flexibility they need 14:41:20 <dihedral> oi 14:44:30 <supermop> i adding spool style wires to docklands is going to add even more lines 14:45:51 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:51:38 *** supermop_ has joined #openttd 14:55:51 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:56:54 *** supermop has quit IRC 15:03:52 <supermop_> i wont add a parameter for wires though 15:16:30 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:16:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:16:39 <Alberth> hi hi 15:16:46 <Wolf01> Hi 15:17:48 <crem> Hi. 15:29:08 <supermop_> hi Alberth 15:50:25 *** Sova has quit IRC 16:00:54 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 16:12:33 *** Ethereal_Whisper has quit IRC 16:29:36 <Samu> damn widgets 16:45:05 <ZirconiumX> NoAI folks: Does AIDepotList.AIDepotList() return a list of tile IDs, or something else? 16:46:18 <Alberth> https://noai.openttd.org/api/ docs know 16:46:27 <ZirconiumX> I've read the docs 16:46:36 <ZirconiumX> "Creates a list of the locations of the depots (and hangars) of which you are the owner." 16:46:48 <ZirconiumX> Are these locations tile IDs, or something else? 16:47:17 <Alberth> TileIndex yes 16:47:23 <ZirconiumX> Thank you. 16:47:36 <Alberth> that's the only form of locations in the program :) 16:47:46 <ZirconiumX> Noted. 16:50:44 <ZirconiumX> So I could check if a tile is within a town by using AITown.IsWithinTownInfluence, right? 16:51:03 <ZirconiumX> (In case you're wondering, I'm trying to make sure I don't build tons of depots in the same town) 16:53:06 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:54:36 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:56:35 <Samu> I'm starting to understand how widgets are dealt with 16:57:00 <ZirconiumX> That's a good start 16:57:22 <Samu> how to throw commands around, apparently the holy grail function is OnInvalidateData 16:58:20 <Samu> then i got 1 place, only 1 place that Stops the Transparency 16:58:41 <Samu> much better than what I was doing yesterday 17:18:20 <Alberth> "town influence " is bigger than purely town (ie houses), but it looks like a correct function 17:19:29 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:19:44 <Alberth> o/ 17:22:30 <frosch123> moi 17:31:55 <Wolf01> Quak 17:37:28 <supermop_> hi frosch123 17:38:23 <ZirconiumX> Hi frosch123 17:55:35 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:55:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:08:56 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:27:14 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:27:36 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:27:41 <andythenorth> o/ 18:28:48 <Wolf01> o/ 18:29:12 <ZirconiumX> o/ andythenorth 18:29:23 <andythenorth> so…touch bar support in openttd? o_O 18:29:23 <andythenorth> https://developer.apple.com/macos/touch-bar/ 18:29:36 <ZirconiumX> Sure, go ahead and write it 18:32:00 <Wolf01> OTTD buttons are ugly and not in line with Apple standards 18:37:10 <frosch123> LordAro: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pwcgpradb 18:37:35 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I’d just do words :P 18:37:40 <LordAro> well that's inconvenient 18:38:02 <frosch123> what was the actual clang warning? 18:39:45 <supermop_> andythenorth: then i want surface pen support 18:39:57 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:40:25 <supermop_> must have offended him 18:40:41 <Wolf01> I already play with pen :P 18:42:52 <LordAro> frosch123: hang on, lemme recompile 18:43:05 <LordAro> /home/lordaro/dev/openttd/src/core/smallstack_type.hpp:221:27: warning: instantiation of variable 'SmallStack<unsigned short, unsigned short, 65535, 8, 65533>::_pool' required here, but no 18:43:09 <LordAro> definition is available [-Wundefined-var-template] 18:44:08 <supermop_> i need more practice then 18:44:31 <LordAro> frosch123: maybe my extra line needs to be in the cpp file? 18:44:36 <LordAro> odd that it works for me though 18:45:40 <frosch123> diffferent compilers :) 18:46:07 <LordAro> evidently :p 18:46:46 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:46:54 * LordAro tries gcc 18:47:45 <LordAro> also, 4.9? ancient :p 18:48:57 <frosch123> stable :) 18:49:13 <frosch123> ottd compile farm may be way more ancient 18:50:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:51:58 <LordAro> ah, same error with gcc 6.3 18:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remember that time when we supported gcc 2.ancient? 18:53:51 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:55:44 <LordAro> frosch123: that said, i'm not entirely sure how aircraft_cmd & station have got caught up in this 18:57:08 <frosch123> i think they are just the first one 18:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: your error kinda sounds like a wrong include 18:57:31 <frosch123> SmallStack is only used in typedef StationIDStack, which is defined in station_type.h 18:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: might be a problem with your library, not the compiler 18:59:05 <ZirconiumX> Is there any way to speed up the frequency of subsidies? 18:59:14 <ZirconiumX> Other than hitting fast forward 18:59:18 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: library? what? 18:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> glibc 18:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or something 18:59:37 <ZirconiumX> LordAro: Clang uses libc++, right? 18:59:43 <ZirconiumX> Rather than libstdc++ 18:59:44 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: not by default 19:00:02 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: not sure how a template instatiation has anything to do with the library 19:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i've no idea either 19:01:02 <LordAro> but anyway, there's no differences between them unless being explicitly told 19:03:30 <ZirconiumX> Bugs are so much fun 19:03:31 <ZirconiumX> https://puu.sh/uByLd/5825e8c206.png 19:03:46 <ZirconiumX> (It's facing the road) 19:09:10 <Samu> i got a problem yet with one of the stop transparency 19:09:21 <Samu> oninvalidate is being called twice 19:12:47 <Samu> SetObjectToPlace is calling w->OnPlaceObjectAbort(); 19:15:43 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 19:20:04 <LordAro> frosch123: i've got no idea what's going on :/ 19:20:31 <frosch123> i think the typedef is interpreted as a template specialisation 19:20:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 19:20:50 <frosch123> but well, i guess we keep the clang warnings :) 19:21:19 <LordAro> :( 19:21:37 <Samu> i think i figured it out, just checking 19:21:47 *** Gja has joined #openttd 19:22:32 <Samu> nop, i didn't 19:22:33 <Samu> :( 19:31:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:34:57 *** supermop has joined #openttd 19:39:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:40:13 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 19:41:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:41:56 <andythenorth> supermop_: I have a force-touch trackpad also :P 19:42:02 <andythenorth> supermop even 19:42:13 <supermop> either works 19:42:16 <andythenorth> so if I press softly, I want narrow gauge tracks 19:42:23 <andythenorth> and if I press harder, I get wider tracks :P 19:42:27 <andythenorth> patch for that? 19:44:35 <supermop> what if you press too hard? canal? 19:45:42 <andythenorth> maglev :P 19:45:55 <ZirconiumX> Canal would be funny 19:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> wetrail? 19:50:13 <andythenorth> ah the enduring appeal of wetrail :P 19:50:24 <andythenorth> such trains :P 19:51:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 19:56:06 <Samu> Alberth: i need help, can't do this alone, i'm almost there, but not quite 19:56:10 <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p5qn7lvhm 19:56:47 <Samu> problem is, i'm stopping transparency twice 19:57:20 <Samu> there are some OnInvalidateData being called multiple times, i dunno what to do 20:01:36 <Samu> one example is when I head to max vehicle ships 20:01:53 <andythenorth> is cat? 20:02:04 <supermop> i can't decide if i prefer the coal mine colored coalmine building of firs, or it's cc variant in chips 20:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> two of them. one pretty wet... 20:02:50 <supermop> i mean obviously i prefer the mine variant, but doesn't do much for showing who owns it 20:03:20 <Samu> if i change the number of ships, regardless if to 0 or not, and i have any of the widget lowered, Stop Transparency can be called twice :( 20:05:08 <andythenorth> supermop: flip a coin 20:05:23 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: try the microwave 20:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: neither is this maniac mansion, nor a hamster 20:06:03 <supermop> andythenorth: unlikely. i already have the tan mine one modified with big door and correct shading for \ 20:06:22 <supermop> in case you want one for mine layout vareity 20:07:05 <andythenorth> picture? 20:07:12 <andythenorth> also have you got a repo yet? o_O 20:14:51 <supermop> no, not bothering yet with an version control, pnml, or other best practices 20:14:57 <supermop> pic in a second 20:17:29 <supermop> http://imgur.com/a/nA8zr 20:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is that related to pig in a blanket? 20:18:58 <supermop> road hog in a mine 20:20:09 <supermop> anyway, thats for docklands, so it's intended to look more like a building that might be on the grounds of a mine complex than a shop that fixes trucks 20:20:33 <supermop> want 1-2 more firs style buildings 20:20:56 <supermop> might use the open sided iron roofed shed that lives at some industries 20:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i meant "pic in a second" -> "pig in a blanket" 20:24:07 <Samu> well, i can't do this 20:24:10 <Samu> t.t 20:24:34 <Samu> apparently i only shifted the problem 20:26:06 *** Wolf03 has joined #openttd 20:26:06 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest719 20:26:06 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 20:33:32 *** Guest719 has quit IRC 20:35:39 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 20:40:22 <andythenorth> computer migration time :P 20:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you pick it up and put it somewhere else? 20:40:45 <andythenorth> yes 20:40:57 <andythenorth> I pick up the old one, move it to one side 20:41:03 <andythenorth> put the new one in its place :P 20:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking of getting a new one with ryzen 20:42:25 <andythenorth> usually I migrate everything, $HOME, the apps, the ports tree etc, with rsync equivalent 20:42:41 <andythenorth> after > 15 years of that, I’m doing this one from scratch :P 20:42:45 <andythenorth> time for ‘fresh' 20:42:53 <andythenorth> regret will follow :P 20:43:04 <supermop> andythenorth: nothing from my vaio is on the surface 20:43:23 <andythenorth> maybe I should use Ansible, and make my system trivially redeployable 20:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried a fresh install a while ago. didn't really help 20:43:40 <supermop> the stuff i thought i'd want is on a usb drive, but never got around to using it 20:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean fresh os on the same computer 20:44:21 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what didn’t it help? o_O 20:44:23 <andythenorth> oh that 20:44:56 <andythenorth> I think my current $HOME dates back to OS X public beta :P 20:45:05 <andythenorth> 2001 or so 20:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause> just all the annoying bugs were replaced by other annoying bugs 20:45:21 <supermop> fresh new bugs? 20:45:22 <andythenorth> I am mostly hoping that python 2.7 will build :P 20:45:34 <andythenorth> it’s inconvenient that it won't 20:45:53 <andythenorth> why replacing my entire OS and $HOME should fix setuptools failures, I don’t know 20:46:01 <andythenorth> but eh, apparently that’s the required solution 20:51:25 <andythenorth> unrelated 20:51:34 <andythenorth> are python globals a thing, or best just avoided? 20:52:14 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 20:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> global variables should be avoided 20:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> python or not... 20:53:04 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:53:05 <andythenorth> that rule has never failed me yet 20:53:51 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: have you ever encountered the problems with globals? 20:54:04 <andythenorth> or is the rule enough? 20:54:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had problems where i needed to turn globals into other things 20:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> when you want to reuse a thing in some more varying contexts 20:58:18 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:00:17 <andythenorth> in current context, my problem is globals 21:00:41 <andythenorth> so replacing them with globals is some fallacy 21:00:51 <andythenorth> probably has a name and a wikipedia page that fallacy 21:02:49 <frosch123> call them singletons instead of globals 21:02:58 <frosch123> that sounds way more fancy 21:04:25 <andythenorth> fair 21:04:45 <andythenorth> I could declare them as classes with just one value 21:05:07 <andythenorth> and some horrible way to return that 21:08:10 <supermop> i am just i am doing these build date dependent depots wrong , but 21:09:54 <supermop> if the last date range ends at 2099 (nrt specs say this is as far as range for build date variable goes) 21:10:18 <supermop> and i build a depot in 2100, what does it look like? 21:10:36 <andythenorth> well, new computer can’t use full animation in ottd either 21:10:41 * andythenorth unsurprised 21:10:55 <frosch123> supermop: why 2099? 21:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: there should be a "long date" property 21:11:49 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there is only a long date variable 21:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause> then there probably isn't a 2100 limit 21:13:18 <supermop> there isn't a mention in your NRT page, 21:13:37 <frosch123> where does it say 2099 or 2100? 21:13:55 <supermop> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Stations#Station_variables 21:14:14 <frosch123> that is stations, not depots 21:14:14 <supermop> that isnt nrt but i assumed it would work the same way 21:14:42 <supermop> well regardless, is there a way i can leave the range in the switch open ended? 21:15:08 <andythenorth> I use max game date for that 21:15:13 <supermop> or what is the biggest year 21:15:15 <frosch123> supermop: 0xFFFFFFFF is the max value 21:15:55 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/road-hog/repository/entry/src/global_constants.py#L119 21:21:16 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 21:22:17 <supermop> date(0000,01,01)..date(5000001,01,01): chips_road_depot_4; 21:22:30 <supermop> thats all of time for openttd right? 21:23:44 <frosch123> yeah, but you can also just write "0" for the first date 21:24:29 <frosch123> also i am not sure whether we start in year 0 or year 1 21:25:11 <frosch123> we start at 0 21:25:46 <frosch123> though that is no valid gregorian date iirc 21:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause> there exists a "backdated gregorian calendar with year 0" 21:35:02 <supermop> can Openttd have different calendars alike currencies? 21:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that the silly monks in the 4th century didn't know a 0 21:36:03 <andythenorth> openttd handles the year that gained or lost a day? 21:36:08 * andythenorth has vague recollection :P 21:38:38 <Supercheese> monks were probably too focused on beer to bother with silly zeroes 21:40:40 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the problem is that 1 CE is precreeded by 1 BCE 21:40:46 <frosch123> there is no 0 CE or 0 BCE 21:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, but that would only become relevant if we had negative dates 21:42:11 <Wolf01> Remove the "date" and use "played years" starting from 0 and just the season :P 21:42:45 <Wolf01> And break all the introduction dates :P 21:45:16 <andythenorth> +1 21:45:31 <andythenorth> and choose a tech ‘era' 21:45:36 <Wolf01> +1 21:45:43 <andythenorth> and then let GS choose to progress eras 21:45:48 <andythenorth> and offer no other mechanic 21:45:51 <andythenorth> so people have to write GS 21:46:23 <andythenorth> all vehicles for the era are available at start of era, with random offsets 21:46:33 <andythenorth> no other progression except the random 21:49:14 *** supermop_ has joined #openttd 21:55:39 *** supermop has quit IRC 22:02:10 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 22:05:34 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:16:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:19:40 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 22:21:32 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:23:31 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:24:18 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:33:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: negative dates would only really change dates beyond 2500000. and offset all other dates by 1 year if you want to "fix" the year 0 22:54:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:12:51 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 23:18:39 *** maciozo has quit IRC 23:28:00 *** Gja has quit IRC 23:32:06 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:35:46 *** Ethereal_Whisper has joined #openttd 23:42:53 <__ln__> well done Wolf01 and andy, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/03/09/lego-reports-highest-revenue-85-year-history/ 23:50:47 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 23:54:12 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd