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00:06:25 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 00:10:43 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 00:30:19 <supermop_Home> i want a beer reward 00:58:55 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 01:15:22 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 01:19:05 <b_jonas> so I can't cross railway bridges even when they're not at the same level? 01:21:17 <supermop_Home> not yet 01:21:28 <supermop_Home> except for the bridge head 01:23:20 <supermop_Home> why are british N scale trains so expensive? 01:24:07 <supermop_Home> a 2 car class 150 is like 0 01:27:26 <b_jonas> and there's some really good reason for this that I'm not aware of, right? 01:27:40 <b_jonas> it's not just a historical artifact of TTD not allowing high bridges 01:43:02 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 01:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause> iirc it's just nobody has figured out how to do the graphics 01:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just a one-liner to enable crossing bridges 02:07:47 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:11:12 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:18:22 <glx> yeah enabling crossing is easy, making it not look ugly is very hard 02:19:20 <b_jonas> I see 02:19:44 <b_jonas> because the top parts of the bottom bridge can be too high 02:20:12 <b_jonas> the graphics is also part of the difficulty with diagonal rail bridges by the way 02:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the top part could be too high, or there could be pillars below 02:21:19 <glx> pillars are already an issue with current bridges IIRC 02:21:43 <b_jonas> but I guess if you want to have crazy multi-level transport networks, you can play Locomotion instead 02:21:50 <glx> for a short time houses/industries were allowed under bridges 02:22:04 <b_jonas> oops 02:22:12 <b_jonas> those can be quite tall 02:22:47 <b_jonas> is there a graphics difficulty with allowing signals on the end tiles of bridges too? 02:25:20 <b_jonas> on the plus side, I noticed that openttd lets me live-replace a bridge under a train, which is so much fun 02:25:32 <b_jonas> also lets me modify signals under a train, also useful 02:26:06 <glx> it can be dangerous to touch signals with running trains :) 02:26:29 <b_jonas> yes, it can cause crashes 02:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause> for crazy multilevel transport networks you would also need parallel bridges, and signals/crossings 02:30:15 <supermop_Home> and flyover underground 02:30:51 <supermop_Home> and a map array that lets you build something larger than the financial district if you want to build a subway 02:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> since bridges and tunnels are so similar, it would probably be natural to do it for them as well 02:31:42 <supermop_Home> i don't know why our stupid situation here has made me want to buy model trains 02:32:57 <supermop_Home> i think its my escapist fantasy yearning to be in a country that is not as dumb as here, and lovely rail infrastructure is comorbid with good civic sense? 02:33:31 *** glx has quit IRC 02:35:37 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:38:03 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 02:53:53 *** keoz has quit IRC 03:02:09 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 03:25:07 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 04:15:51 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 05:08:22 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 05:36:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #8207: Add: Cheat menu under land information menu and 'cheat' console command https://git.io/JJkWB 05:36:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 closed pull request #8207: Add: Cheat menu under land information menu and 'cheat' console command https://git.io/JfM57 05:39:36 *** Progman has joined #openttd 05:42:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #8261: Suggestion: Add NewGRF global variable for industry density https://git.io/JJkWo 05:44:02 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 06:32:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:32:38 <andythenorth> moin 06:34:34 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 06:36:32 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 06:39:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 06:39:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:46:50 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:55:51 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:26:46 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 07:37:20 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 08:02:59 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 08:27:32 <CornsMcGowan[m]> @_oftc_GT:matrix.org: how much has the community shrunken since 2012? 08:27:43 <CornsMcGowan[m]> i guess its the sad truth that its dwindling 08:28:05 <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh yeah i was just about to ask about crossing bridges over 08:28:06 <CornsMcGowan[m]> and implementing it 08:28:28 <CornsMcGowan[m]> wait crossing bridges is a one liner :0 08:29:20 <CornsMcGowan[m]> @_oftc_glx:matrix.org: ah i see, thank you :) 08:31:34 <andythenorth> odd matrix message format? 08:31:49 <andythenorth> CornsMcGowan[m] all communities are dwindling, all things get worse, and everyone's dying 08:32:18 <CornsMcGowan[m]> odd indeed 08:32:29 <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/RKsLLBG.png also yeah bridge pillars are a bit obstructive 08:33:14 *** keoz has joined #openttd 08:33:19 <TrueBrain> moin andythenorth 08:33:31 <andythenorth> CornsMcGowan[m] if you want actual empirical evidence https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/graphs/contributors 08:33:34 <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/rj6Pt4t.png suspension is a bit better 08:33:37 <andythenorth> but then again 08:33:42 <andythenorth> maybe the game is just more done 08:33:48 <andythenorth> causes aren't effects and vice versa 08:33:51 <andythenorth> yo TrueBrain 08:33:56 <andythenorth> I have fucked up my AWS life 08:34:01 <LordAro> it's difficult to match peak Rubidium 08:34:05 <TrueBrain> there is a difference between contributions and community andythenorth ;) 08:34:07 <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/yK0LPL3.png silicon is okay also 08:34:13 <CornsMcGowan[m]> yeah wowee who were they 08:34:15 <andythenorth> TrueBrain pls bring more stats 08:34:20 <CornsMcGowan[m]> could be a chicken-egg thing 08:34:29 <andythenorth> https://www.industryforum.co.uk/resources/blog/in-god-we-trust-all-others-must-bring-data/#:~:text=Edwards%20Deming-,%E2%80%9CIn%20God%20we%20trust%2C%20all%20others%20must%20bring%20data.,Edwards%20Deming 08:34:39 <TrueBrain> the amount of wiki visits, the amount of downloads of the game, the amount of content downloads, have been VERY stable for the last 10+ years ;) 08:34:49 <TrueBrain> in fact, it has increased with this covid stuff 08:34:55 <TrueBrain> more online servers and clients, for example 08:34:56 <andythenorth> I've been around since 2008, I think, mostly, the game is in the best shape ever 08:35:09 <TrueBrain> again, mixing up contributions vs community ;) 08:35:40 <CornsMcGowan[m]> yeah ive seen player numbers in multiplayer dwindle 08:35:48 <andythenorth> per server? 08:35:49 <TrueBrain> you have? Cool! You are seeing ghosts :D 08:35:54 <andythenorth> or max online at once? 08:36:00 <CornsMcGowan[m]> lmao 08:36:05 <CornsMcGowan[m]> per server 08:36:07 <andythenorth> we should get these stats, but PECR says no 08:36:09 <andythenorth> the content API has fallen in a hole, but otherwise game is in really good form 08:36:12 <CornsMcGowan[m]> like reddit S1 used to be max companies always 08:36:19 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: again, PECR doesn't hold in my country :P 08:36:31 <CornsMcGowan[m]> when i played in 1.4 ish 08:36:33 <andythenorth> ok, so gather the device data 08:36:42 <andythenorth> also I should unfuck my AWS 08:36:50 <andythenorth> and the cmake build fails on my computer 08:36:52 <CornsMcGowan[m]> also mobile app is tedious to use 08:36:54 <andythenorth> always work work work 08:36:57 <TrueBrain> CornsMcGowan[m]: local bias :) 08:37:07 <andythenorth> TrueBrain are you still gainfully employed? 08:37:21 <CornsMcGowan[m]> indeed local bias lmao 08:37:27 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: still are :) 08:37:27 <andythenorth> no member named 'isunordered' in the global namespace 08:37:27 <andythenorth> using ::isunordered; 08:37:32 <CornsMcGowan[m]> wait do u mean with the server count 08:37:35 <CornsMcGowan[m]> or the mobile app 08:37:36 <andythenorth> ^^ that's because my mac is broken, right? 08:37:40 <TrueBrain> server-count 08:37:45 <CornsMcGowan[m]> ah yeah 08:38:22 <andythenorth> stupid broken Apple includes I think 08:38:27 * andythenorth way out of depth 08:38:43 <andythenorth> wipe disk and reinstall everything from scratch? o_O 08:39:35 <TrueBrain> but to give you a bit of an idea how popular OpenTTD is, we went from 4TB a month of traffic to 6+TB a month (April 2019 vs April 2020) 08:39:48 <dP> covid peak is already over, mp activity is nearing all time lows 08:39:51 <dP> it's seasonal though 08:40:01 <TrueBrain> dP: it always has been, yes :) 08:40:26 <TrueBrain> in the summer OpenTTD has a lot of crickets and tumbleweed :) 08:41:11 <TrueBrain> we went from 300k page hits to 400k page hits (June 2019 vs June 2020) 08:42:20 <LordAro> andythenorth: https://github.com/PointCloudLibrary/pcl/issues/2601#issuecomment-557445280 perhaps? 08:42:43 <andythenorth> LordAro oh looks hopeful, I'll try 08:42:50 <LordAro> there's a few other possible solutions a couple comments further down 08:42:53 <andythenorth> I was going to nuke homebrew and start again 08:43:24 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD Windows is downloaded 10k times in a single week in a random week in June 2020 08:43:43 <TrueBrain> so yeah .. it strongly depends on what you define as "community"; but OpenTTD is kinda popular :P (which I notice, as it is hard to give enough resources to the infra :D) 08:44:31 <andythenorth> hmm we already know the mac cmake build works right? 08:44:34 <andythenorth> other people tested it? 08:44:41 <andythenorth> so it's just my system that's borked? 08:44:49 <LordAro> well it's been a week, and no one else has said anything 08:44:52 <LordAro> the CI works too 08:48:18 * andythenorth tries pasting SO commands 08:48:35 <TrueBrain> Security Officer? 08:48:39 <andythenorth> I really try not to do that, it's the usual cause of the actual problem 08:48:39 <TrueBrain> Significant Other? 08:48:45 <Wolf01> Lol 08:48:50 <andythenorth> that website for Send Me The Codez PLZ 08:48:54 <andythenorth> can't remember it's name 08:49:22 <Wolf01> I also would like Significant Other commands, specially a "summon" or "spawn" or "create" 08:49:43 <TrueBrain> I am more interested in the "clean" and "cook" commands :P :P :P :P 08:50:20 * LordAro raises eyebrow 08:51:43 <andythenorth> TrueBrain I have those commands installed locally 08:51:48 <andythenorth> she uses them a lot 08:51:57 <andythenorth> also 'get out of bed and make tea' 08:52:07 <TrueBrain> be happy that is a single command 08:52:09 <TrueBrain> :P 08:52:15 <andythenorth> hmm I can't be fucked to fix my mac today 08:52:21 <andythenorth> it's too much like a day job 08:52:27 <andythenorth> I guess I just play old OpenTTD 08:52:36 <TrueBrain> or download the latest! 08:53:43 <andythenorth> official binaries! 08:53:49 <andythenorth> but they have a weird orange icon 08:53:56 <TrueBrain> spyware 08:54:01 <andythenorth> coin miner 08:56:24 <TrueBrain> so what shall we do today .. hmm .. 08:57:52 <CornsMcGowan[m]> be careful, it will install a program called openttd, and launching it will launch openttd on your computer 09:00:47 <andythenorth> TrueBrain I really should fix my AWS 09:00:55 <andythenorth> and draw some sprites also 09:00:55 <TrueBrain> so you keep telling us :P 09:01:03 <andythenorth> I am playing tanks though 09:01:15 <andythenorth> you keep asking!! 09:01:19 <andythenorth> oof :) 09:01:21 <TrueBrain> so I guess we will have to ask : how did you break AWS? 09:04:38 <andythenorth> I followed the instructions for a http site, and now I need to reverse them and follow the instructions for https 09:04:45 <andythenorth> I missed that it was XOR not OR 09:04:57 <andythenorth> there are docs for all of it 09:05:11 <TrueBrain> S3-websites cannot do https, so https has a completely different set of activities :P 09:05:12 <andythenorth> except that I'll need a cert to do www. according to docs 09:05:21 <andythenorth> everything else is just clicks 09:05:27 <TrueBrain> the cert is clicks too 09:05:31 <TrueBrain> AWS Certificates does it for you 09:05:39 <TrueBrain> well, you do have to type www. , that is true 09:06:38 <TrueBrain> and with the domain on Route53, validation is hitting the "Create DNS entry" in AWS Certificates :P 09:08:39 <andythenorth> ok, this will be done! 09:09:02 <TrueBrain> I want to implement a PPU emulator, but it is such a nag, as it is really timing specific 09:47:06 <andythenorth> hmm 09:53:21 <andythenorth> ok validating certs on AWS might take several hours 09:53:30 <andythenorth> and I've probably done it wrong :D so maybe a day or so 10:06:26 <andythenorth> ACM says my DNS validation config is invalid 10:10:40 * andythenorth finds more docs 10:13:05 <andythenorth> oof I should stay away from DNS :( 10:21:38 <andythenorth> I keep clicking 'create record in route 53' 10:24:30 <andythenorth> I have done this https://firs-test-1.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/images/ACM.png 10:24:37 <andythenorth> but ACM says I need to take further action 10:24:46 <andythenorth> the docs don't say what 10:25:26 <andythenorth> I have clicked 'Create record in Route 53' many times as that is the only button I can see 10:35:01 <andythenorth> patience grasshopper 10:35:04 <andythenorth> it validated 10:35:38 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 10:36:10 <CornsMcGowan[m]> Revision text changed to jgrpp-0.34.4, savegame version 218, not modified, _openttd_newgrf_version = 0x1b086d64 10:36:11 <CornsMcGowan[m]> finally 10:36:41 <CornsMcGowan[m]> does that mean its impossible to add my own commits to JGRPP and keep mp compatibility? 10:37:12 <CornsMcGowan[m]> nvm i still can't join mp games 10:39:05 <CornsMcGowan[m]> for comparison, release client .exe is 10:39:06 <CornsMcGowan[m]> Revision text changed to jgrpp-0.34.4, savegame version 218, not modified, _openttd_newgrf_version = 0x1b006d64 10:40:52 <andythenorth> " To add an alternate domain name (CNAME) to a CloudFront distribution, you must attach a trusted certificate that validates your authorization to use the domain name." 10:40:59 <andythenorth> there is no option to add a cert 10:46:13 <CornsMcGowan[m]> my compiled linux client is 10:46:13 <CornsMcGowan[m]> Revision text changed to jgrpp-0.34.4, savegame version 218, not modified, _openttd_newgrf_version = 0x1b006d64 10:46:22 <CornsMcGowan[m]> so it seems something strange is happening on my end 10:48:47 <CornsMcGowan[m]> > ah no the '8' is stable release marker 10:48:47 <CornsMcGowan[m]> from glx 10:58:06 <andythenorth> oh AWS :P 10:58:10 <andythenorth> it's so nearly good :P 11:04:56 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: Certificate validation can take up to 20 minutes, yes :) 11:05:05 <andythenorth> you have to use the right region also :P 11:05:12 <andythenorth> 'oops' 11:05:18 <TrueBrain> yeah, CloudFront is weird like that 11:05:22 <TrueBrain> it has to be in Virginia 11:05:35 <TrueBrain> it is weird that certificates are not global tbfh 11:06:03 <TrueBrain> any lambda@edge also has to be in N. Virginia 11:07:41 <andythenorth> the docs for that are in the 'why it doesn't work' page :D 11:07:46 <andythenorth> not the 'how to do it' page :D 11:14:08 <TrueBrain> yeah, but once you know, you know 11:14:21 <TrueBrain> I even forgot about telling you about it, because it is so obvious once you know :P 11:15:55 <andythenorth> so I have a cert, an s3 bucket, a domain name on route 53, and a cloudfront distribution 11:16:02 <andythenorth> I just need to connect them up 11:16:17 <TrueBrain> in CF, you can link it to your S3 .. the GUI does the lookup for you even 11:16:23 <andythenorth> that's done 11:16:30 <TrueBrain> you linked the cert to your CF? 11:16:45 <TrueBrain> you can already visit the CF link to check if it serves your page correctly 11:16:54 <TrueBrain> (the blablabla.cloudfront.something) 11:17:07 <TrueBrain> once your cert is linked, you only have to change the DNS to point to the CF 11:17:10 <TrueBrain> (via Alias) 11:18:14 <andythenorth> I think the cert is done 11:18:18 <andythenorth> I think the DNS is done 11:18:29 <andythenorth> but I might need an Identity? 11:18:37 <andythenorth> origin access identity? 11:18:45 <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/ 11:18:48 <TrueBrain> you can do that, yes 11:19:00 <TrueBrain> the OAI gives CloudFront access in your S3, if your S3 is non-public (which is a good thing) 11:19:09 <TrueBrain> simply create the OAI, and set in your S3 that it has access 11:19:15 <andythenorth> ah ha 11:19:19 <TrueBrain> but as you can see, the webflow works 11:19:27 <TrueBrain> and least privilege kicked in nice :D 11:20:08 <TrueBrain> I do all this via CDK, so not sure where to add the OAI . .let me check :D 11:20:11 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 11:21:16 <TrueBrain> ah, bucket policy 11:23:36 * andythenorth in policy generator 11:24:28 <andythenorth> seems to not have the correct magic button 11:24:42 <TrueBrain> after you did all that, make sure to invalidate cache 11:24:49 <TrueBrain> the access denied page is most likely also cached ;) 11:25:54 <andythenorth> another button to click :) Is that cloudfront? 11:26:12 <TrueBrain> yes 11:26:26 <TrueBrain> in the tab Invalidations 11:26:28 <TrueBrain> invalidate * 11:26:36 <TrueBrain> or /* I believe 11:26:38 <andythenorth> k thx 11:26:54 <TrueBrain> owh, I see it does not cache it atm, so that is not it :D 11:26:59 <TrueBrain> you added an OAI to CF? 11:27:27 <andythenorth> I have one yes 11:27:48 <andythenorth> I had many due to failed creations with the cert, I've cleaned those up 11:28:13 <andythenorth> ok bucket policy now updated 11:28:18 <TrueBrain> https://pastebin.com/YwNgNyse 11:28:20 <andythenorth> when the magic works, it's magic 11:28:23 <TrueBrain> I have that bucket policy 11:28:57 *** arikover has joined #openttd 11:29:53 <andythenorth> I got given this by CF https://pastebin.com/raw/DKTVvLap 11:29:59 <TrueBrain> in your distribution, you selected the OAI? 11:30:27 <TrueBrain> Distribution -> Origin settings -> Your identities? 11:30:33 <andythenorth> yup 11:30:44 <andythenorth> just waiting on invalidation 11:30:47 <TrueBrain> lol, it can even generate the permissions 11:30:49 <andythenorth> maybe it works, maybe it doesn't 11:30:51 <TrueBrain> did not know that :) 11:30:54 <andythenorth> everything is magic 11:30:58 <andythenorth> if you read the correct doc 11:31:20 <TrueBrain> I doubt the cache is the issue, as you get a new RequestId every time 11:31:26 <TrueBrain> doesn't feel like a caching issue :) 11:31:45 <TrueBrain> so you also selected the "Grant Read Permissions on Bucket" -> "Yes, Update" option? 11:33:14 <andythenorth> yes 11:33:24 <andythenorth> that created the policy on S3 11:33:39 <andythenorth> is 's3:GetObject' enough? 11:33:40 <TrueBrain> that should be sufficient, as far as I know :P 11:33:48 <TrueBrain> if that is what it generated, I guess it is :) 11:33:55 <TrueBrain> what is a valid file? 11:34:00 <TrueBrain> (remember, it does not do index.html for you) 11:34:05 <TrueBrain> so what URL should be valid? 11:34:58 <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/index.html 11:35:04 <andythenorth> should be valid 11:35:17 <TrueBrain> and the distribution is Active (not Updating)? 11:35:40 <andythenorth> status 'in progress' (spinning icon) 11:35:57 <TrueBrain> okay, so it might still be distributing the OAI over all the edgelocations 11:36:04 <andythenorth> I give it some patience and see 11:39:24 <TrueBrain> otherwise, if you did all the above, it should work, I think .. cannot remember I did anything else :P 11:40:34 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:40:47 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 11:48:56 <TrueBrain> hmm .. Project Ozone 3 Kappa mode .. I guess that would keep me busy for the weekend 11:49:07 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I see an "Hello World" here now 11:49:17 <andythenorth> you do? o_O 11:49:48 <andythenorth> winner 11:49:50 <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/index.html 11:50:04 <TrueBrain> gratz :) 11:50:21 <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/firs/4.0.0-alpha-3/html/get_started.html 11:50:30 <andythenorth> that is a LOT more work than http :D 11:50:40 <andythenorth> wonder how much CF will cost me :) 11:51:01 <andythenorth> if I get nuisance DoSed, this will be an expensive hobby 11:54:43 <andythenorth> www. works as well? https://www.grf.farm/firs/4.0.0-alpha-3/html/get_started.html 11:56:20 <TrueBrain> does for me 11:56:24 <TrueBrain> and the cost should be near zero 11:56:30 <TrueBrain> bandwidth from CF to S3 is free 11:56:39 <TrueBrain> and CF is the same bandwidth cost as S3 for most regions 11:56:43 <TrueBrain> (just not all :P) 11:56:54 <TrueBrain> you can restrict that if you like, to only the cheapest price 11:57:06 <TrueBrain> but for OpenTTD it did nothing for the monthly price, basically 11:58:58 <andythenorth> awesome 11:59:25 <andythenorth> for next andythenorth-adventure 11:59:37 <andythenorth> pushing content to S3 via API 12:00:35 <TrueBrain> aws s3 sync / put 12:00:36 <TrueBrain> :) 12:03:50 <andythenorth> first locally, then maybe GH actions 12:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause> fish farm image doesn't load? 12:04:03 <andythenorth> it's missing 12:04:08 <andythenorth> haven't drawn it 12:04:33 <andythenorth> maybe I have a 'not drawn yet' image somewhere 12:04:35 <andythenorth> I should look 12:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> an "under construction" image like in the 90s :p 12:06:38 <milek7> some images are broken 12:06:43 <milek7> https://www.grf.farm/firs/4.0.0-alpha-3/html/static/img/industries/engine_plant.png 12:06:59 <milek7> ah 12:07:03 <milek7> so access denied is 404? 12:07:16 <TrueBrain> access denied is andythenorth being too lazy to set a 404 error page :P 12:08:36 <andythenorth> there's a magic button for that somewhere 12:08:54 <TrueBrain> in CF you can set the page to load for 404s 12:09:06 <CornsMcGowan[m]> wheres the 418 12:19:24 <andythenorth> ok so for local AWS scripts, I create an IAM, then provision creds into some file in ~ 12:19:27 <andythenorth> ? 12:22:09 <TrueBrain> aws configure 12:22:37 <andythenorth> I suppose it's no scarier than git creds :P 12:23:22 * andythenorth wonders why more people don't poison open source projects 12:23:29 <andythenorth> the review standards are often low 12:37:18 <Eddi|zuHause> open source hasn't gone the social media route yet 12:41:58 <andythenorth> 'everything is awful'? 12:47:43 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 12:49:34 <CornsMcGowan[m]> everything is cruel when you're part of a team 12:49:46 <CornsMcGowan[m]> wdym poison 12:53:22 <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh like this https://youtu.be/ZSFDm3UYkeE ? 13:03:33 <CornsMcGowan[m]> its bizarre seeing these guys talk about subversion 13:38:19 <andythenorth> do I need to run CF invalidations every time content changes? 13:38:22 <andythenorth> or just patience? 13:40:12 <andythenorth> 24hr TTL 13:46:29 <andythenorth> hmm I can't make the Default Root Object work 13:46:44 <andythenorth> the instructions here conflict with the actual UI instructions https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonCloudFront/latest/DeveloperGuide/DefaultRootObject.html 13:47:49 <andythenorth> "For example, if you designate the file index.html as your default root object" 13:47:57 <andythenorth> but you can't designate index.html 13:48:04 <andythenorth> you can only designate /index.html 13:48:09 <andythenorth> which the docs say isn't allowed 13:48:13 <andythenorth> but the UI says is required 13:51:53 <andythenorth> ha think I found it 13:57:25 <b_jonas> you know how, when a town decides where to grow houses, it seems to consider long bridges as just one or two tiles of road distance? I should try to abuse that to get interesting town shapes 13:57:32 <b_jonas> next game that is 13:58:10 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you want to invalidate every time you overwrite a file, yes 13:58:19 <b_jonas> hmm, does that work for tunnels too? 13:58:32 <b_jonas> that would be even easier because I can tunnel under buildings 13:58:37 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: and you can only set the / file, so the root root index .. not the folder index 13:58:44 <TrueBrain> that is why you can only do /index.html 13:58:55 <andythenorth> yup 13:59:04 <andythenorth> so I'll write a script to manage uploads 13:59:06 <andythenorth> and invalidations 13:59:07 <andythenorth> yay 13:59:51 <andythenorth> it's all a bit day-job :D 14:00:03 <andythenorth> whereas drawing small trains is never my day job :P 14:00:16 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/workflows/blob/master/.github/workflows/publish_docs.yml might give you inspiration 14:00:33 <andythenorth> yes! 14:00:53 <andythenorth> I think for extra lolz, I will make GH Actions do the uploading on push 14:00:56 <andythenorth> extra things to debug! 14:00:59 <andythenorth> more latency! 14:01:10 <TrueBrain> or you just copy the commands in there in a shell script 14:01:12 <TrueBrain> but that is just me :P 14:02:56 <b_jonas> hmm, I just don't see how the oil loop could work on this map 14:04:05 <b_jonas> ooh, I can change the colors of an individual group of trains? wow, I didn't know that, that might be useful 14:05:10 <CornsMcGowan[m]> indeed 14:05:17 <CornsMcGowan[m]> i sort cargo types into diff colours 14:07:46 <andythenorth> can anyone figure out what's being asked here? https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1233830#p1233830 14:08:02 <andythenorth> communication difficulties :) 14:11:59 <andythenorth> hmm, if I keep all versioned docs in a github repo 14:12:05 <andythenorth> it might grow to 1GB 14:12:09 <andythenorth> bad? 14:12:46 <andythenorth> the docs dir is maybe 5MB average 14:12:50 <CornsMcGowan[m]> whats the dl file they linked 14:13:03 <andythenorth> they're just docs 14:15:58 <andythenorth> maybe each grf should publish its docs as artefacts 14:16:09 <andythenorth> and then they can be copied to grf.farm 14:16:15 <andythenorth> so many options :P 14:24:09 <nielsm> better in-game documentation viewer? 14:25:31 <TrueBrain> in-game documentation viewer? 14:25:34 <TrueBrain> (there, I fixed it :P) 14:26:28 <nielsm> there is already a text file viewer 14:26:32 <nielsm> it's just not very good 14:26:51 <nielsm> also addon authors are really bad at actually writing documentation and including it 14:26:57 <nielsm> which is more difficult to fix 14:28:51 <nielsm> like, when I open the readme file (which is only included for a third of grfs) I expect to find some information on the kind of items included, how to configure it, and what their intended gameplay use is... and most of the time it seems to be just some generic readme with barely anything useful 14:39:40 <andythenorth> some of mine are like that 14:40:21 <andythenorth> I neglect the readme, it's not easily automated :P 14:47:27 <b_jonas> CornsMcGowan[m]: different cargo already has somewhat different looking wagons, but this will be useful for me for oil trains to different destinations 14:48:17 <b_jonas> that reminds me, I mustn't forget to include a tram grf for my next game 14:48:29 <b_jonas> I don't plan to use trams much, but it can't hurt to have them available 14:52:14 <andythenorth> hmm something something about lambdas to add security headers 14:52:18 <andythenorth> is that needed? 14:52:39 <andythenorth> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/networking-and-content-delivery/adding-http-security-headers-using-lambdaedge-and-amazon-cloudfront/ 15:02:00 *** keoz has quit IRC 15:05:35 <b_jonas> is there a setting somewhere to mute the starts screen? it's too noisy with all those vehicles, it's distracting 15:06:46 <nielsm> nope, nothing that affects just the title game 15:26:04 <b_jonas> oh well, I'll just use the general volume control then 15:26:18 <b_jonas> or maybe replace the title screen save, how do I do that? 15:32:03 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: STS can be useful, but the rest .. you don't have anything dynamic on your side 15:32:08 <TrueBrain> so XSS is .. well ... there is nothing to XSS :P 15:32:23 <nielsm> opntitle.dat, just replace that with another savegame 15:32:32 <TrueBrain> Referrer policy can be useful, but meh .. 15:32:39 <TrueBrain> I didn't bother for OpenTTD, lets put it that way 15:33:15 <nielsm> or you can even just delete opntitle.dat to get a blank map for title screen instead 15:33:28 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:37:01 *** keoz has joined #openttd 15:55:18 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 15:59:56 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 16:01:56 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 16:16:28 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:16:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:17:46 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 16:26:28 <supermop_Home> yo 16:34:17 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 16:38:28 <b_jonas> wait, so maglev wagons have a larger capacity than monorail wagons? then I'll have to upgrade all my wagons on all my trains now 16:39:54 <b_jonas> (I'm playing with the "Progressive rail set v2" newgrf that lets me run monorails on maglev tracks, smoothing the upgrade.) 16:58:13 <supermop_Home> i mean it's really based on what the author of the maglev set chooses? 16:59:00 <supermop_Home> realistically there is no particular reason maglev would be of larger capacity than monorail generally 17:00:14 <supermop_Home> but in the vanilla set of vehicles, maglev is just sort of a universally significantly 'better' train, and the expense of not being able to reuse your rail tracks 17:01:09 <supermop_Home> if you choose to use a newgrf to remove this distinction, you could also do the same to change the capacity to whatever you want 17:15:11 <CornsMcGowan[m]> hi all, need some input on my implementation (canal planner tool) 17:15:11 <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://gfycat.com/scratchyillegalhorsechestnutleafminer 17:15:11 <CornsMcGowan[m]> at 43 seconds, two locks are built that block another canal - should I add an option to avoid this? i.e. avoid building locks over existing canal/river tiles? 17:46:43 <b_jonas> wow, this vacuum train grf is realistic in that vac train tracks are very expensive 17:47:25 <b_jonas> supermop_Home: yeah, I just didn't know that it increased the capacity so much 17:52:37 <andythenorth> oof I need a commit before cmake 17:52:58 <andythenorth> ok found one 17:57:13 <supermop_Home> andythenorth https://www.hattons.co.uk/381424/cjm_cjm89_class_89_89001_in_gner_livery/stockdetail.aspx 17:57:30 <andythenorth> "Is this item actually in stock? No, this item has sold out." 17:58:00 <andythenorth> supermop_Home but I have pre-ordered https://railsofsheffield.com/news/articles/3418-iconic-class-89-in-oo 17:58:05 <supermop_Home> why be concise when you can hold an imaginary conversation with the shopper? 17:59:04 <supermop_Home> will that be in swallow or gner? 18:01:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One opened pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1y 18:01:38 <supermop_Home> what is provincial? 18:01:46 <supermop_Home> https://railsofsheffield.com/products/40457/dapol-2d-142-005d-n-gauge-class-142-pacer-provincial-2-car-dmu-no-142053-dcc-fitted 18:02:37 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1Q 18:02:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1y 18:05:01 <andythenorth> supermop_Home regional railways 18:05:06 <andythenorth> is provincial 18:05:11 <supermop_Home> ah that's what i need 18:05:21 <supermop_Home> that or wypte 18:05:37 <andythenorth> the maroon and cream? 18:06:01 <supermop_Home> i remember it being more red than maroon but maybe? 18:06:36 <supermop_Home> also need one of the emus that went to ilkley, was red with an assload of doors down the side 18:06:42 <supermop_Home> mk1 body 18:08:13 *** tokai has joined #openttd 18:08:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 18:09:13 <CornsMcGowan[m]> LordAro: can i pm you regarding my recent PR 18:09:38 <LordAro> you can just ask me here 18:10:31 <CornsMcGowan[m]> part of it is sensitive and I'd prefer to PM 18:10:52 <CornsMcGowan[m]> but i guess i can ask - am i able to contribute to the webtranslator? 18:11:00 <CornsMcGowan[m]> or how do i go about it? 18:12:55 <LordAro> CornsMcGowan[m]: an email asking to become the translator for a particular language can be sent to translator@openttd.org 18:12:58 *** carla[m]1 has joined #openttd 18:13:19 <supermop_Home> wtf is an O scale 117 over 800 quid? 18:13:54 <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh i didn't realise that was required 18:14:31 <LordAro> (we know it's a bit broken and the whole thing will be rewritten to work with GH auth (like bananas) Soonᵀᴹ) 18:14:57 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 18:17:39 <andythenorth> supermop_Home probably a 504 18:17:45 * andythenorth guesses train numbers 18:18:17 <andythenorth> 308 18:18:28 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_308 18:18:48 <supermop_Home> looks right 18:20:25 <supermop_Home> love these: https://railsofsheffield.com/products/37768/graham-farish-372-262-n-gauge-class-47-7-47745-royal-london-society-for-the-blind-rail-express-systems 18:20:47 <andythenorth> odd you should say that 18:20:48 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 18:20:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 18:21:02 <supermop_Home> what ever happened to british rail graphic design 18:21:12 <andythenorth> I have this one https://www.hattons.co.uk/247999/bachmann_branchline_32_817_hx02_class_47_7_47745_royal_london_society_for_the_blind_in_rail_express_systems_live/stockdetail.aspx 18:21:42 <supermop_Home> do you have the matching wagons? 18:21:57 <andythenorth> yes 18:22:08 <andythenorth> and some royal mail red, not all unified 18:22:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro reopened pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1y 18:22:18 <andythenorth> I want this https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zoMAAOSw3fteeJWR/s-l1600.jpg 18:22:32 <andythenorth> RfD is not always the best sector scheme, but on that engine it looks rad 18:22:48 <supermop_Home> yeah 18:23:03 <andythenorth> supermop_Home there's not much good on twitter, but there is this: https://twitter.com/_doublearrow?lang=en 18:23:06 <supermop_Home> oil sector is the best 18:23:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One updated pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1y 18:23:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed pull request #8262: Fix: typo in Australian English translation of tooltip setting. https://git.io/JJk1y 18:23:46 <supermop_Home> damn that 143 is nice 18:24:01 <andythenorth> I just got this https://images.hattons.co.uk/products/R2752_3.jpg 18:24:05 <andythenorth> trains are the new trainers 18:24:34 <supermop_Home> unfortunately i don't know if i can stop buying one in favor of the other 18:24:41 <supermop_Home> just got some ACG sandals 18:24:54 <supermop_Home> now i need to buy more hype socks to wear with them 18:25:08 <andythenorth> as I never go outside 18:25:14 <andythenorth> I have trainer supplies for life 18:25:40 <supermop_Home> what if they release some railfreight sector Air Maxes? 18:25:48 <andythenorth> singularity event 18:26:05 <andythenorth> oof this FIRS compile is fast now 18:26:11 <andythenorth> you don't hear me say that much 18:27:09 <supermop_Home> grabbing lunch 18:27:53 *** tokai has quit IRC 18:31:46 <andythenorth> hmm 18:32:00 <andythenorth> grfcodec is 2.7s where nml is 10s though 18:32:04 <andythenorth> maybe I can go faster :P 19:02:30 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 19:57:40 *** blathijs has quit IRC 20:02:56 <supermop_Home> well looks like i didn't miss much 20:07:48 *** blathijs has joined #openttd 20:09:27 <supermop_Home> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Vintage-David-Mellor-Thrift-British-Rail-InterCity-Train-Dessert-Fork-Cutlery/174119971067?hash=item288a5be8fb:g:NS8AAOSw7wZd7XX3 20:20:07 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:32:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] hryniuk opened pull request #8263: Fix: refresh coverage on option switch https://git.io/JJkHk 21:14:50 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 21:35:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:41:39 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:43:13 <milek7> valve index wait times are ridiculous 21:43:21 <milek7> and no communication from valve at all 21:57:46 <b_jonas> argh, why does this train always claim that it's lost 21:58:01 <b_jonas> there's probably still something wrong with the track or signaling but I don't see what 22:01:34 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:10:08 <b_jonas> ooh, I found teh bug 22:10:15 <b_jonas> it was a missing rail at the depots 22:21:24 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:42:33 <b_jonas> hmm, my trains are getting stuck in a weird way 22:45:20 <b_jonas> ah I see 22:45:39 <b_jonas> the new track had a signal in the wrong direction, that's why the trains were looping 22:46:13 <FLHerne> It's always something like that ;-) 22:56:17 *** nielsm has quit IRC 23:13:02 *** keoz has quit IRC 23:19:53 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:28:16 <dP> hm, apparently you can set both tooltips and window close to right click... 23:29:01 <dP> I can understand window close but why right click tooltips are even a thing? 23:29:37 *** arikover has quit IRC 23:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause> taht's inherited from the 1994 version of the game