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00:07:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 221: Updated 7F file @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/221 (by Frank) 00:10:08 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 222: Added 737-400 basic nfo @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/222 (by Frank) 01:33:24 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 60M) 01:33:24 <Brot6> It's a lot of fun being alive ... I wonder if my bed is made?!? 05:27:36 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:33:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 82: Change: have make 'bundle' behave as OpenTTD's one d... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/82 (by planetmaker) 05:33:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244: Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-557 (by planetmaker) 05:35:40 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 05:35:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 83: Fix: formatting in make test @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/83 (by planetmaker) 05:42:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 84: Feature: detect a mingw environment more independent... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/84 (by planetmaker) 05:50:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 85: Fix (r82): Remove unnecessary target @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/85 (by planetmaker) 05:54:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 86: Change (r82): make release doesn't install anymore. ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/86 (by planetmaker) 05:54:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 87: Change: do r84 also in places where it matters @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/87 (by planetmaker) 06:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 06:12:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 88: Feature: rebuild the grf, if the revision changed @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/88 (by planetmaker) 06:19:50 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:43:07 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:39:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 73: Change: make bundle, install, release behave as OpenTTD does, by default w... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/73 (by planetmaker) 08:39:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 74: Feature: try an automatic detection of the install dir. Will fail on some ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/74 (by planetmaker) 09:07:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 10:04:10 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 11:54:22 <Ammler> Hmm, Purno? 11:58:07 <Ammler> does WAS have a license, btw? 13:11:05 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:11:31 <FooBar_> planetmaker: I think the make file is in order now 13:12:17 <FooBar_> I got the tag stuff working as well, so I think its done now? 13:12:26 <FooBar_> Anyways, good job on that makefile! 13:14:53 <planetmaker> thx. 13:15:07 <planetmaker> what tag stuff do you mean, btw? Foobar? 13:15:22 <planetmaker> with using tags on mercurial for releases? 13:15:41 <planetmaker> Anyway... OpenGFX is next with a new makefile :) 13:18:05 <Ammler> possible to make the OpenGFX bundle like ususal newgrfs, just tar the grfs? 13:18:39 <Ammler> (and the obg) 13:19:05 <Ammler> but keep the readme accessable for poor windows user. 13:20:05 <planetmaker> how do you mean? Like firs is now? 13:20:37 <FooBar_> planetmaker: yes, using a tag for releases. I coudn't get it to work yesterday, but it did today after I put a hg update <tag> inbetwixed 13:20:46 * Ammler needs to clone firs and check 13:21:14 <Ammler> FooBar_: tip can never be a tag 13:21:21 <Ammler> hmm 13:21:26 <FooBar_> I noticed :P 13:22:04 <Ammler> maybe it possible with some hacks with strip etc. 13:22:33 <planetmaker> well... I would like to hack hg into using tip for anything else than tip 13:22:40 <FooBar_> I wouldn't bugger, how often do you have a new release? Once every few weeks maybe? 13:22:44 <planetmaker> +argue agains 13:22:46 <planetmaker> t 13:22:48 <Ammler> planetmaker: I try to speak withPurno over msn 13:22:48 <planetmaker> arg. 13:23:37 <planetmaker> Ammler, thx. I have no hopes, though. It was rather an e-mail sent in frustration of his ignorance. 13:24:12 <planetmaker> FooBar_, I agree :) And a hg up isn't really too much ;) 13:26:06 <Ammler> Maybe we should setup a page with license requirements on future hosted projects... 13:26:09 <planetmaker> I mean... latest release can always be gotten by "tails -n1 .hgtags" 13:26:37 <Ammler> I have no issues to make a project private, as long as it is GPL 13:26:57 <Ammler> but ND sucks. 13:26:59 <planetmaker> I mean... latest release can always be gotten by "tail -n1 .hgtags | cut -f2 -d\ " 13:27:12 <planetmaker> Ammler, exactly my point 13:27:38 <Ammler> you should use hg tags 13:28:07 <Ammler> check the hgtags file of heqs, then you know, what I mean ;-) 13:28:08 <planetmaker> was just an example :P 13:28:41 <Ammler> if you remove a tag with "hg tag --remove", it will still be in that file. 13:28:43 <planetmaker> :O 13:28:46 <planetmaker> wow, that file is ugly 13:28:52 * FooBar_ checks hgtags file of heqs 13:29:28 <Ammler> well, #mercurial told me, you should keep them, if you work with different heads. 13:30:02 <Ammler> didn't get it right now, but "hg tags" should work anyway 13:30:09 <planetmaker> yes, it does 13:30:36 <Ammler> also, if you run hg up null, you wouldn't have that file, I guess. 13:35:24 <planetmaker> you don't have that file, if you have no tags 13:37:03 <Ammler> well, you don't have that file, if you have tags, either ;-) 13:37:23 <Ammler> hg up null && hg tags && ls 14:03:59 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:03:59 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:06:36 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:06:36 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 14:34:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:36:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 89: Add: fill ids.pnfo with some pre-liminary defines fo... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/89 (by planetmaker) 14:40:42 <planetmaker> ^^ I hope you don't mind, FooBar_ - consider it as supplement to the makefile system with introduction of IDs ;) 14:41:10 <FooBar_> not at all 14:41:32 <FooBar_> someone has to do it eventually, so... 14:42:06 <planetmaker> I took the ordering from the website. So... if that's wrong, it's your fault :P 14:42:24 <FooBar_> Otherwise I'd probably added the ids one at a time with each industry, but is fine by me 14:42:25 <planetmaker> or, more importantly, the cargo bits. 14:42:42 <FooBar_> It's not my website... 14:42:52 <planetmaker> well... the project's one :) 14:42:56 <FooBar_> Anyways, if there's an inconsistency, it's an easy fix :) 14:43:03 <planetmaker> yup :) 14:44:34 *** Ammler is now known as Zammler 14:50:32 <Zammler> hmm, doesn't andy already have such a table too? 14:54:01 <planetmaker> Well. Such table exists. But not in the source code :) 14:54:15 <planetmaker> Only thing I did was add it to the source code :) 15:02:15 <FooBar_> isn't there some excel file in the source code? 15:02:45 <Zammler> yes, and andy has soemthing in his DB 15:03:05 <FooBar_> those things might differ actually... 15:03:05 <Zammler> you should maybe merge those infos :P 15:03:47 <FooBar_> The industry IDs from the excel file are the correct ones IMO. For cargo's the website is the correct place... 15:05:43 <planetmaker> urgs. 15:05:52 <Zammler> hehe 15:05:59 <FooBar_> let me check if they are the same... 15:06:00 <planetmaker> it should all be in the repo, IMO. Granted, I didn't look into the excel files :) 15:06:38 <planetmaker> I like plain text files :P 15:07:09 <Zammler> FooBar_: possible to replace a industry with a newer type? 15:07:23 <planetmaker> Zammler, yes. 15:07:26 <planetmaker> afaik 15:07:28 <FooBar_> Ids on the website are the same as in the excel file 15:07:33 <Zammler> can't imagine. 15:07:35 <planetmaker> not an existing one, but new ones with newer graphics. 15:07:55 <planetmaker> FooBar_, the cargo bits? Or the labels? 15:08:01 <FooBar_> industry ids 15:08:01 <planetmaker> or both? 15:08:17 <FooBar_> for cargo the website is the only resource 15:08:21 <Zammler> hmm, pm, I meant ingame 15:08:35 <Zammler> replacing a industry with a modern type 15:09:03 <FooBar_> well, some industries will disappear over time, while new ones appear 15:09:32 <FooBar_> the details of that are still to be decided 15:09:44 <planetmaker> hm... maybe it can be done via some callback magic: 15:10:02 <planetmaker> if year > XX: close & reopen with new graphics or alike. 15:10:06 <planetmaker> But not sure that works. 15:10:31 <planetmaker> or mis-use animation frames... :P 15:11:44 <FooBar_> well, if (year < y) use_livery(1); else use_livery(2); should work 15:12:21 <FooBar_> so when a new industry of the same type appears, it looks more modern 15:12:50 <planetmaker> yes, for new industries. 15:12:52 <FooBar_> we have to be very careful with closing industries: players might not like that 15:12:52 <planetmaker> Sure. 15:12:57 <planetmaker> But for existing ones? 15:13:31 <planetmaker> FooBar_, and I didn't mean to close an industry in the sense of removing it. But building at the exact same spot a new one, with the same cargos, just different look. 15:13:41 <planetmaker> Removing serviced industries... that's bad indeed :) 15:13:43 <FooBar_> I don't think existing ones should change the way they look over time, it's still a game, you know :) 15:15:53 <planetmaker> :) sure it is. But it would IMO be a nice feature :) 15:16:02 <FooBar_> What would be nice though is that early industries essentially would expand. The early industries are usually smaller than modern ones, so add a few bare tiles around it. After a certain period of time new buildings appear on those tiles with production improving slightly 15:16:46 <planetmaker> well... yes. But that would be kinda along the same lines. 15:17:18 <planetmaker> It could possibly be mimiced, if we started an industry straight away with more tiles than it needs initially. 15:17:36 <FooBar_> Indeed, but without the industry magically beeing modernised. Old buildings are very rarely destroyed. 15:17:38 <planetmaker> And later replacing the industry graphics the empty industry tiles could be filled 15:17:51 <FooBar_> [quote]mimiced[/quote] my idea being ;) 15:17:52 <planetmaker> with buildings and other stuff 15:17:58 <planetmaker> :) 15:18:34 <FooBar_> Yes, I like that idea. I'm gonna write it down before I forget it... 15:19:29 <planetmaker> make a ticket on it. 15:19:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:25:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #274: industries changing looks over time @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/274 (by foobar) 15:28:57 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158 <-- I think I can close this, right, FooBar_ ? 15:29:19 <FooBar_> i think so yes 15:29:36 <FooBar_> It worked fine last time I checked, so I assume it still does :) 15:30:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 15:30:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 15:30:52 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/255 <-- I'll leave that though till it really works in the sense that it is used successfully :) 15:31:33 <FooBar_> also make bananas still needs to be implemented, not? 15:32:42 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 15:32:50 <planetmaker> hm... ok, right :P 15:33:07 <planetmaker> I was too quick :) 15:33:35 <FooBar_> oh, I recalled 255 being 560 so I didn't actually click to see :P 15:33:41 <planetmaker> license.txt cannot be uploaded, right? 15:33:42 <FooBar_> well, make a new one for make bananas then 15:34:01 <FooBar_> license.txt can be uploaded, as well as readme.txt and file.grf 15:34:06 <planetmaker> I mean... ideally the whole bundle could just be uploaded. 15:34:09 <FooBar_> no folders and no changlog though 15:34:17 <planetmaker> Well... then we don't need it. Ah. Folder. 15:34:20 <planetmaker> hm, ok 15:34:34 <FooBar_> wait 15:34:45 <FooBar_> did anyone actually test that it didn't want a folder? 15:36:06 <planetmaker> not me :) 15:36:14 <planetmaker> though, I think, DJN 15:36:52 <FooBar_> well, lets check that with him before actually changing the makefile 15:36:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 15:37:02 <FooBar_> who knows it might not be needed... 15:37:49 <planetmaker> :) and changelog.txt will - hopefully - be accepted rather sooner than later. 15:38:01 <planetmaker> It's at least an assigned and accepted bug report for bananas :) 15:38:24 <Zammler> it should accept just everything or a lot more 15:38:37 <Zammler> like additional manuals 15:39:05 <Zammler> how did andy add his guide? 15:39:07 <planetmaker> it accepts readme.pdf/txt 15:39:19 <Zammler> well, some have both 15:39:26 <planetmaker> so you can make an extensive readme.pdf 15:39:33 <Zammler> or some have have translations 15:41:46 <Zammler> he, make bananas should merge those files :-) 15:41:59 <Zammler> cat readme.txt changelog.txt > readme.txt 15:44:25 <FooBar_> maybe the makefile should merge those then ;) 15:44:39 <planetmaker> :) yes, of course. 15:45:57 <Zammler> what I said :P 15:46:12 <Zammler> nobody does read bananas readmes 15:46:31 <FooBar_> I think you're right about that 15:46:33 <Zammler> I like the idea from eis_os 15:46:57 <Zammler> he added a parameter, which you needed to type to the grf, else it is disabled. 15:47:00 <FooBar_> most people don't even know that there's a readme provided with whatever they download from the content service 15:47:15 <Zammler> the parameter is included in the readme. 15:47:22 <FooBar_> at the very end I hope :P 15:47:25 <planetmaker> haha. Nice idea, Zammler 15:47:25 <Zammler> so only if you read the readme, you know the "code" 15:47:36 <FooBar_> I like that actually 15:48:02 <FooBar_> but on the other hand, a grf should be preconfigured to suit most peoples needs 15:48:06 <planetmaker> well... they want to re-do bananas. Before that nothing will change, I think 15:48:17 <FooBar_> if you want something else, then RTFM 15:48:30 <planetmaker> And they won't work on it before WT3 isn't completely phased-in. 15:49:04 <planetmaker> whereas they = mostly truebrain 15:49:08 <Zammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/newgrfs/ottdc_grfpack_ttdpatch/obridge1/obridge1_readme.txt 15:49:13 <Zammler> check after the license text 15:49:42 <FooBar_> I don't like the sound of "You aren't allowed to" 15:49:55 <Zammler> [17:49] <planetmaker> whereas they = mostly truebrain <-- I found out, truebrain doesn't want help 15:50:09 <Zammler> he doesn't trust someone else and prefers to work alone 15:50:36 <Zammler> somehow, this sounds familiar ;-) 15:51:35 <planetmaker> FooBar_, yeah. All those control freaks as I like to call them :) 15:51:44 <planetmaker> but the parameter's a good one. 15:51:46 <Zammler> FooBar_: he had to do that, because he didn't like someone using his grfs for openttd 15:52:15 <Zammler> planetmaker: eis_os is a friendly guy, he made also the crawler. 15:52:39 <planetmaker> Zammler, so is truebrain. But both are... special :) 15:52:46 <FooBar_> oh boohoo, someone was using his grf in openttd... 15:52:48 <Zammler> indeed. 15:53:27 <FooBar_> anyways, I'm off to dinner... 15:53:31 <Zammler> en guete 15:53:54 <planetmaker> And I'm off for the night. See you guys :) 15:53:58 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:54:11 <Zammler> planetmaker: you too 15:54:12 <Zammler> :P 15:57:19 <Zammler> well, you could make it easy, btw. 15:57:40 <Zammler> like in 2cc use the parameter to enable the regions, instead of disable 15:58:16 <Zammler> 0, no trains, something dunno 1023 to enable all 16:10:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 16:12:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 16:15:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 16:18:03 <Brot6> OpenGFX: update from r72 to r74, starting nightly compile 16:18:10 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightlies compile finished with 53 errors: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opengfx/nightlies/log/ 16:25:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:27:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:29:45 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:32:41 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:49:59 <Zammler> !rss show DevZone 17:49:59 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 17:49:59 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 17:49:59 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 17:49:59 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 17:49:59 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 17:50:01 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 17:50:04 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 17:50:07 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 17:50:22 <Zammler> hmm 17:59:31 <Zammler> !rss show DevZone 17:59:31 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 17:59:32 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 17:59:32 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 17:59:32 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 17:59:32 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 17:59:33 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 17:59:36 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 17:59:39 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 17:59:40 <Zammler> why old data? 17:59:54 <Zammler> bugger 18:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 18:11:31 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:52:17 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:02:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:06:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:56 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:36 <andythenorth_> evening 19:16:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:38:19 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:38:34 <Frankr> Ammler? 19:39:31 <Zammler> Frankr: the site is up, isn't? 19:39:40 <Frankr> yh 19:40:09 <Frankr> Just wondering about this GLP 19:40:55 <Frankr> GPL* 19:42:05 <Zammler> ask :-) 19:43:02 <Zammler> the problem you have is, that with the devzone, your work is already opensouse 19:43:06 <Zammler> opensource* 19:43:15 <Zammler> that is why it needs a license. 19:43:20 <Frankr> I guess it is a formal lisense agreeing to specific terms 19:43:27 <Frankr> of use* 19:43:45 <Frankr> how do we do it? 19:44:13 <Zammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/User:Ammler/License 19:44:20 <Frankr> we already have an arangement with Pikka and we have credited him in the description with all members of WAS 19:44:41 <Frankr> ok i'll take a look 19:46:02 <Zammler> or http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ 19:46:03 <Webster> Title: Creative Commons GNU General Public License (at creativecommons.org) 19:46:34 <Zammler> Frankr: that is fine 19:46:44 <Zammler> but you should make something official legal 19:47:18 <Frankr> ok, i'll discuss with beardie 19:47:31 <Zammler> and therefor it is the easiest to make it GPL 19:47:49 <Frankr> i don't want to do anything legal without consultin beardie the WAS leader so to say 19:47:58 <Zammler> we have a very ugly license for the 2cc set, which doesn't allow modification on the images. 19:48:14 <Frankr> whose set is it? 19:48:28 <Zammler> Purno 19:48:36 <Zammler> and coded from djn 19:48:44 <Zammler> this part is GPL 19:48:46 <Frankr> So it's difficult to work thn 19:49:07 <Frankr> changes is a better word actually 19:49:10 <Zammler> andy just left before you joined 19:49:40 <Zammler> he does also use GPL for his work. 19:50:15 <andythenorth_> I am here 19:50:24 <Zammler> oh 19:50:28 <Zammler> :-) 19:50:33 <andythenorth_> use GPL. But use it right, and make sure you understand it before using it. 19:50:38 <andythenorth_> Zammler: ;) 19:50:53 <Frankr> Well beardie is bck now and when he gets bck from phone i'll discuss it with him and he'll prob pop on here 19:52:38 <andythenorth_> GPL is a headache the first time you read it, but the basics are simple, and it's really an elegant license. 19:52:44 <Frankr> this will help us in a way anyways cos an ex member is creatin a smaller set, and will prob steal our work for his own so thanks for bringing this up ammler 19:53:25 <Zammler> well, GPL would allow that. 19:53:46 <Zammler> but he would need to credit you 19:53:46 <andythenorth_> well if would if he also complies with the GPL 19:53:56 <andythenorth_> typo (it) 19:54:35 <Frankr> yh well he's bein tryin to steal every1's work, callin it his own 19:54:52 <Frankr> that's the main reason we ditched him 19:54:56 <andythenorth_> GPL is a good way to deal with that kind of thing 19:55:24 <andythenorth_> if he violates the GPL the most influential people in the TTD community won't let him use tools like Bananas 19:55:30 <andythenorth_> (or so I believe) 19:55:45 <andythenorth_> if he can't distribute to the community, there's no point in him 'stealing' your work 19:55:53 <andythenorth_> except for his own personal use 19:56:50 <andythenorth_> but under GPL he *can* modify your work, and redistribute it. But he *can't* claim it's his. 19:56:51 <Zammler> and for that, you can "steal" everything 19:57:20 <andythenorth_> talk to Beardie. 19:57:34 <andythenorth_> Industrial Stations Renewal is GPL. So are my sets 19:57:37 <andythenorth_> it's easiest. 19:57:52 <andythenorth_> But you do need correct permission for *everything* you include in the set 19:57:54 <Zammler> OpenGFX is 19:57:59 <Zammler> and OpenTTD is :-) 19:58:10 <andythenorth_> And you need to make full source available. The repo does that for you if properly managed 19:58:20 <Frankr> well most of the work that we have is from the AV8 set 19:58:42 <Frankr> which at the moment i believe beardie has sorted a deal with Pikka 19:58:48 <Zammler> that is why I wrote, pikka needs to give you an ok for GPL 19:58:57 <Zammler> because he doesn't use GPL 19:59:01 <andythenorth_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=748517#p748517 19:59:03 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - GPL / Public Domain clarification (at www.tt-forums.net) 19:59:13 <Zammler> else you need a License like the 2cc 19:59:20 <Frankr> well then we will need to ask permission of Pikka 19:59:28 <Zammler> exactly 19:59:59 <Zammler> you need to aks Pikka, if it is ok to distribute your set completely as GPL 20:00:09 <Frankr> All the other work is done by the ppl workin in the set and help from DJ 20:00:50 <Frankr> i can't see their being a problem as we have credited Pikka for his AV8 that he has allowed us to use 20:00:56 <Zammler> and you need to be sure, all other constributors are fine with PGL 20:01:05 <Frankr> i will check 20:01:22 <Frankr> obviously Beardie is the first person 20:01:35 <Frankr> wen he gets bck from his phone call 20:01:53 <Zammler> well it needs also a OK from ALL 20:01:59 <Zammler> if once defined, it is clear then 20:02:08 <Frankr> well there are alot of members atm 20:02:24 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 20:02:51 <Zammler> yep, well, if the main coders/constributors agree, you post it that way on tt-forums. 20:03:03 <Frankr> Well i am the main coder 20:03:10 <Zammler> so it is clear also for new constributors. 20:03:31 <Frankr> beardie also coders, most others are painters as that is wat takes up a lot of time 20:03:37 <Frankr> sure 20:03:44 <Zammler> and if a constributors disagree, you need to speak with him in personal. 20:03:58 <Zammler> well, the code is GPL 20:04:12 <Zammler> everything else would be useless. 20:04:18 <Zammler> as it is already opensource. 20:04:21 <Frankr> lol 20:04:37 <Frankr> wrong chat sorry 20:14:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:16:29 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:26:43 <Zammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/graphs/issue_growth_graph 20:57:54 <planetmaker> nice graph. But how is it interpreted, e.g. what's on the vertical axis? 20:59:46 <planetmaker> ah. Issues. Not commits :) 20:59:57 <Zammler> planetmaker: no idea, just happy about no black boxes anymore :-) 21:06:55 <planetmaker> :) yeah, I noticed. And that's indeed nice. 21:10:51 <Frankr> Ammler wen did the adverts come on devzone btw 21:11:17 <Zammler> hehe 21:11:34 <Zammler> don't click them, pls. :-) 21:12:57 <Zammler> it is mixing with the collapse menu 21:13:27 <Zammler> Frankr: why do you ask? 21:15:10 <planetmaker> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/statistics <-- I wonder: what's the difference between planetmaker and planetmaker? 21:15:14 <planetmaker> ^ Ammler 21:15:54 <Zammler> one might be with the email 21:16:02 <Zammler> the stats are from the repo directly 21:16:07 <planetmaker> hm... maybe, yes 21:16:10 <Zammler> mapping doesn't work there. 21:16:19 <planetmaker> same, btw, for foob4r at firs 21:16:53 <Zammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/code_review/index/firs <-- :-) 21:18:05 <Zammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/committers 21:18:43 <Zammler> !rss show devzone 21:18:43 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 21:18:43 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 21:18:43 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 21:18:43 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 21:18:43 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 21:18:45 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 21:18:48 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 21:18:51 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 21:18:55 <Zammler> hmm 21:19:07 <planetmaker> uhm... 21:19:17 <Zammler> ? 21:20:02 <Frankr> how did brot talk? 21:20:25 <Zammler> I asked him to 21:20:32 <Frankr> lol 21:20:55 <Zammler> but he forgot one 21:20:57 <Frankr> and i was just wonderin i don't remember thm from earlier (relatin to the adverts) 21:21:33 <Zammler> same adverts as on our blog and wiki 21:22:10 <planetmaker> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/diff/sprites/nfo/ids.pnfo?rev=89&review_id=1 <-- Ammler 21:24:05 <Zammler> planetmaker: do you like it? 21:24:41 <planetmaker> yes, I think it's quite nice to be able to annotate single lines. 21:26:15 <Zammler> ah 21:26:32 <Zammler> I see now, it didn't appear here, because those reviews aren't public. 21:27:36 <Zammler> !rss show devzone 21:27:36 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 21:27:36 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 21:27:36 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 21:27:36 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 21:27:36 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 21:27:38 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 21:27:41 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 21:27:44 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 21:32:06 <Zammler> !rss show devzone 21:32:06 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 21:32:06 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 21:32:06 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 21:32:06 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 21:32:06 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 21:32:08 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 21:32:10 <Zammler> menno 21:32:11 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 21:32:14 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 21:34:39 <Zammler> !rss show devzone 21:34:39 <Brot6> Zammler: lemme fetch it... 21:34:39 <Brot6> Zammler: using old data 21:34:39 <Brot6> Zammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 21:34:39 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 18:07 :: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 21:34:39 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:35 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 21:34:41 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:32 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 21:34:44 <Brot6> feed DevZone had 15 updates, showing the latest 10 21:34:46 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:30 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 21:34:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 89: Add: fill ids.pnfo with some pre-liminary defines fo... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/89 (by planetmaker) 21:34:53 <Brot6> 2009/06/24 17:27 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 21:34:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #274: industries changing looks over time @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/274 (by foobar) 21:35:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #241 (Closed): Make the PCX files a dependency of the build s... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/241#change-558 (by planetmaker) 21:35:02 <Zammler> now, I give up 21:35:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #158 (Closed): Makefile @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/158#change-559 (by planetmaker) 21:35:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Closed): Re-wamp makesystem @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/244#change-560 (by planetmaker) 21:35:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #275: make bananas @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/275 (by planetmaker) 21:35:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #276: Missing License @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/276 (by Ammler) 21:35:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code review: #1 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/code_review/show/firs?review_id=1 (by Ammler) 21:35:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code review: #1: Replies @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/code_review/show/firs?review_id=2 (by planetmaker) 21:35:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code review: #1: Replies @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/code_review/show/firs?review_id=3 (by Ammler) 21:35:29 <Zammler> oh :-) 21:59:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #255: using pre-processor to allow using ID_<whatever> in... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/255#change-562 (by planetmaker) 22:27:40 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 22:53:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #277: Change Acceleration Coding @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/277 (by Frank) 23:14:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #247: Boeing 737-300 Nfo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/247#change-563 (by Frank) 23:15:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #248: Boeing 737-300F Nfo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/248#change-564 (by Frank) 23:15:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #249: Boeing 737-400 Nfo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/249#change-565 (by Frank) 23:18:12 *** Zammler is now known as Ammler 23:32:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you already switch to WT3? 23:50:27 <Frankr> Ammler is bck, :) 23:51:40 <Ammler> good night :-) 23:55:02 <Frankr> night