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00:11:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 396: Coded Il62 so it is in Game @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/396 (by Frank)
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01:14:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2686: (svn r2837) Allow spaces between the keyword and colon in incoming mail.... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2686 (by edavis10)
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01:33:32  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 92M)
01:33:32  <Brot6> I just heard the SEVENTIES were over!! And I was just getting in touch with my LEISURE SUIT!!
02:04:07  <Brot6> opensfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opensfx/ initiated.
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04:23:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #332: Toyland foundations @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/332#change-1058 (by athanasios)
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05:11:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #379: OPEN TTD title misaligned @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/379#change-1059 (by athanasios)
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06:54:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 179: Feature: Toyland company statue (Graphics by Lord Azamath, closes #119) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/179 (by planetmaker)
06:54:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #119 (Closed): Sprite 270:270 (1) - Company statue @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/119#change-1060 (by planetmaker)
06:58:45  <planetmaker> concerning style of commit messages: "Revision 179: Feature: Toyland company statue (Graphics by Lord Azamath, closes #119)" is - now that I did the changelog for the last OpenGFX release - actually my preferred style
06:59:09  <planetmaker> it means the least work to trim it to a decent changelog: just cutting revision and naming info from the tail :-)
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07:00:02  <planetmaker> Ammler: FooBar_ ^ What do you say?
07:00:15  <planetmaker> with revision link, I'd propose a style like
07:01:03  <planetmaker> "Fix: Offset of toyland statue (r179, closing #494939)
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07:07:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #332: Toyland foundations @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/332#change-1061 (by planetmaker)
07:07:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #380: TTDPatch support @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/380#change-1062 (by planetmaker)
07:13:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #108: Unduplicate nfo code @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/108#change-1063 (by planetmaker)
07:13:15  <Ammler> planetmaker: a bit uncommon, but I guess doeable :-)
07:18:00  <planetmaker> http://openttd.jaspervries.nl/opengfx/authoroverview/?feature=objectives <-- needs update, FooBar_ :-)
07:27:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #380: TTDPatch support @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/380#change-1064 (by Ammler)
07:30:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #380: TTDPatch support @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/380#change-1064 (by Ammler)
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07:41:55  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 92M)
07:41:55  <Brot6> hubub, hubub, HUBUB, hubub, hubub, hubub, HUBUB, hubub, hubub, hubub.
07:43:33  <Ammler> :-)
07:47:46  <planetmaker> :-P
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10:04:06  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
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11:32:07  <FooBar_> Re commit messages: Changing habits is never fun, but as long as you update the guide accordingly... Besides, I forgot most of my habits anyways in the four weeks I didn't commit anything; had to look it all up again :P
11:32:17  <FooBar_> planetmaker: ^
11:37:42  <FooBar_> Re [13:28]	<planetmaker>	[09:18:00] http://openttd.jaspervries.nl/opengfx/authoroverview/?feature=objectives <-- needs update, FooBar_: Done :)
11:39:54  <planetmaker> :-)
11:40:09  <planetmaker> I know that "changing habbits" is no fun. That's why I'm asking
11:40:33  <planetmaker> Also the question is how much of "changelog work" actually will be saved. It will always need editing.
11:40:39  <planetmaker> But might be worth a try IMO
11:41:11  <planetmaker> Then I'll update the guide. But I guess, if we're lucky, you and me will stick to it, and the rest will happily do what they like :-P
11:42:46  <planetmaker> btw, LA's toyland company statue really looks awesome :-)
11:44:10  <FooBar_> "But I guess, if we're lucky, you and me will stick to it, and the rest will happily do what they like" <-- I think ammler will try to stick to it as well...
11:44:51  <planetmaker> yup
11:44:58  <FooBar_> but then you, me and ammler are the top 3 persons actually doing commits to the repo. The OpenGFX repo that is...
11:45:23  <FooBar_> Doesn't Rubi already do what you just proposed in the OpenSFX repo?
11:45:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 180: Doc: update author overview html output script for beta1 targets @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/180 (by foobar)
11:46:00  * FooBar_ checks out the statue
11:47:01  <planetmaker> Well, I guess he follows his usual style. Which is fine.
11:47:41  <FooBar_> I better have a look ingame, not just the sprite...
11:47:52  <planetmaker> yup :-) Nice in company colour
11:48:36  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/127 <-- isn't that an issue which is not even required for beta1?
11:49:30  <FooBar_> dammit, now I have to wait until I actually can build one...
11:49:46  <planetmaker> use the toyland game I uploaded
11:49:47  <FooBar_> Well, judging from the sprite it's nice, but I think it's even nicer ingame :)
11:49:51  <planetmaker> in the documents section
11:50:00  <FooBar_> too much effort... :P
11:50:04  <planetmaker> :-P
11:50:27  <planetmaker> but that's what it's for: to show all features of toyland.
11:50:48  <planetmaker> and if I'm fast, I'll have somewhen this week also improved foundations :-)
11:50:48  <FooBar_> I might download it when I start on the wagons...
11:51:03  <planetmaker> you? hm... there was one person who started with it already.
11:51:14  <planetmaker> The tt-forums thread has some drawings by him
11:51:30  <planetmaker> but granted: it has no trains so far :-)
11:51:34  <planetmaker> (the game)
11:51:38  <FooBar_> re snow trees: yes, we don't need that for 0.1.0 as OpenTTD currently doesn't use those by default...
11:51:42  <planetmaker> only RV - which is for what I built the game
11:51:52  <planetmaker> then I change that issue
11:52:07  <FooBar_> I put the default trains in a while ago, just to have trains
11:52:29  <FooBar_> They're not toy-ish, but they're trains :)
11:52:47  <planetmaker> ah, ok
11:53:04  <FooBar_> why are the wagons unclaimed then?
11:53:09  <planetmaker> sorry. I was talking of wagons. Which are still black.
11:53:17  <planetmaker> he posted in tt-forums only.
11:53:35  <FooBar_> hmpf...
11:53:40  <FooBar_> I better dig that up then...
11:54:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #127: Snowy temperate trees @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/127#change-1067 (by planetmaker)
11:55:07  <FooBar_> do you mind me not updating the objectives page for those trees? They're still on that one see
11:56:06  <FooBar_> ah, here we go http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=808015#p808015
11:56:07  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX (at www.tt-forums.net)
11:56:14  <FooBar_> that was an easy dig :)
11:58:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #125 (Assigned): Sprites 761:840 (80) - Rail wagons @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/125#change-1068 (by foobar)
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14:04:07  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
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14:30:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #421: ogfxe_extra.grf causes assertion when loaded as NewGRF as base set @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/421 (by Rubidium)
14:40:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #421 (Confirmed): ogfxe_extra.grf causes assertion when loaded as NewGRF as base set @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/421#change-1070 (by planetmaker)
14:47:26  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #421: ogfxe_extra.grf causes assertion when loaded as NewGRF as base set @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/421#change-1071 (by Ammler)
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15:04:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #381: Sample 00: Good Year @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/381#change-1072 (by Rubidium)
15:04:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #384: Sample 05: Steam train entering tunnel @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/384#change-1073 (by Rubidium)
15:04:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #386: Sample 09: Take off of early jets @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/386#change-1074 (by Rubidium)
15:04:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #407: Sample 59: Mach 1+ jet take off @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/407#change-1075 (by Rubidium)
15:06:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #413: Sample 71: Monorail leaving station @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/413#change-1076 (by Rubidium)
15:06:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #394: Sample 36: Sheep @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/394#change-1077 (by Rubidium)
15:39:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #421: ogfxe_extra.grf causes assertion when loaded as NewGRF as base set @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/421#change-1078 (by foobar)
15:53:57  <planetmaker> so... issue 421: I actually prefer to have a version byte left
15:57:51  <Ammler> yes, that is what we proposed
15:58:12  <planetmaker> and in case of an absent x... I don't care. Foobar's modification of your proposal?
15:58:14  <Ammler> byte4 for version
15:58:23  <planetmaker> :-)
15:58:50  <Ammler> well imo, it is the id for the whole set
15:59:13  <Ammler> as extra isn't useable alone
15:59:32  <planetmaker> hm, well... also a point :-)
16:00:03  <Ammler> but if you don't have x, e is fine
16:00:08  <Ammler> :-)
16:00:47  <planetmaker> hm... ok :-)
16:02:55  <Ammler> or a "w" for last byte
16:03:02  <Ammler> like the openttd.grf
16:03:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 181: Fix: GrfID must start with FF (closes #421) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/181 (by planetmaker)
16:03:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #421 (Closed): ogfxe_extra.grf causes assertion when loaded as NewGRF as base set @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/421#change-1079 (by planetmaker)
16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r228)
16:18:01  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r187)
16:18:02  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r37)
16:18:02  <Brot6> heqs: update from r152 to r155, starting nightly compile
16:18:55  <Brot6> heqs: compile done (1 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/heqs/nightlies/
16:18:55  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r176 to r181, starting nightly compile
16:18:56  <FooBar_> "w" is defined in opengfx.obg...
16:19:05  <FooBar_> actually, the version is defined there as well...
16:19:54  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (1 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opengfx/nightlies/
16:19:54  <Brot6> opensfx: update from r25 to r27, starting nightly compile
16:20:27  <FooBar_> oh nevermind, it's FF 06 FE 01 now...
16:20:37  <Brot6> opensfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opensfx/nightlies/
16:20:38  <Brot6> worldairlineset: update from r395 to r396, starting nightly compile
16:21:14  <Brot6> worldairlineset: compile completely failed! :-( - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/worldairlineset/nightlies/compile-log/worldairlineset-FAILED-compile-error.log
16:22:06  <planetmaker> he. Again a wrong filename, I guess :p
16:22:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1080 (by foobar)
16:35:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1081 (by planetmaker)
17:03:21  <Ammler> case sensitivity?
17:04:51  <planetmaker> i would guess. I didn't look
17:05:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1082 (by Ammler)
17:06:01  <Ammler> now, the compile farm should automatically create a bug report ;-)
17:06:25  <planetmaker> :-)
17:09:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #333 (Reopened): Nightly compile failed @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/333#change-1083 (by Ammler)
17:10:07  <Ammler> 2nd time I reopen this ticket :-)
17:10:50  <planetmaker> :-P
17:11:20  <Ammler> what is the ogfx bug?
17:11:37  <planetmaker> an error lv. 3 in extra
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18:01:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1084 (by foobar)
18:01:04  <FooBar_> I think that the OGFX error is that the GRFID begins with FF...
18:01:12  <Ammler> :-)
18:02:12  <Ammler> /!!Warning (101): GRFIDs with a first byte of FF are reserved.
18:02:45  <Ammler> so adding -w101 should fix that
18:04:08  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
18:07:14  <Ammler> hmm or @@WARNING DISABLE in the nfo
18:07:44  <Ammler> FooBar_: do you know, how this works?
18:08:42  <FooBar_> -w 101 is easier, but otherwise it's _//@@WARNING DISABLE 101_ I believe
18:13:52  <Ammler> is there a table with those renum erros?
18:14:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 30: [CF] grfcodec doesn't need -s to suppress the progress output @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/30 (by Ammler)
18:14:50  <Ammler> (how many spelling errors in that commit msg?
18:17:23  <FooBar_> yes, in one of renum's documentation files
18:17:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1085 (by foobar)
18:18:08  <FooBar_> http://svn.ttdpatch.net/trac/browser/misc/nforenum/doc/SANITY.en.txt
18:27:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 182: Fix: GRFID starting with FF causes a warning on nforenum, as we need that... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/182 (by Ammler)
18:31:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-1086 (by Ammler)
18:32:46  <FooBar_> you put the command to disable the warning both as a commandline option and in the source? That's a bit double, isn't it...
18:59:38  <Ammler> ah, menno
19:00:05  <Ammler> let me fix that :-)
19:02:31  <Ammler> FooBar_: did you pull the last commit?
19:02:45  <Ammler> if you did, please rollback :-)
19:11:46  <FooBar_> I didn't, I just checked on redmine :)
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19:15:09  <FooBar_> Ammler: your certificate threw me out, claiming that it was invalid...
19:15:30  <Ammler> yes, that is why I restarted the znc
19:15:48  <Ammler> oh, of course I forgot to tell you :-)
19:15:56  <Ammler> use dev.openttdcoop.org as server
19:16:20  <FooBar_> instead of bcn.ammler.ch?
19:16:42  <Ammler> yes, that cert did expire a month ago
19:17:00  <FooBar_> ok, let me try if I can accomplish that easily...
19:17:08  <Ammler> :-)
19:17:14  <FooBar_> be right back (hopefully) :)
19:17:20  <Ammler> well, it seems to work how it is now
19:19:46  <FooBar_> I don't seem to be able to connect to irc://dev.openttdcoop.org...
19:19:54  <FooBar_> do I need a specific port?
19:19:55  <Ammler> ircs:
19:20:01  <FooBar_> (that neither)
19:20:08  <Ammler> port is 54322
19:20:19  * FooBar_ tries again
19:20:39  <Ammler> you can btw. join with more clients
19:21:30  <FooBar_> Invalid certificate: only valid for redmine.ammler.ch, ammler.ch :S
19:21:37  <Ammler> he?
19:21:48  <Ammler> hmm
19:22:20  <FooBar_> maybe I have some weird exception set up in firefox...
19:22:50  <FooBar_> let's see what happens if I remove that...
19:22:53  <Ammler> menno, stupid me
19:23:07  <Ammler> again wrong cert :-)
19:23:13  <Ammler> he, ssl isn't for free ;-)
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19:24:14  <FooBar_> Let me know if it should work :P
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19:28:25  <Frankr> Ammler: Did the compile not work
19:29:06  <Guest9> FooBar_: now?
19:29:18  <Guest9> Frankr: yes, it didn't
19:29:26  <Guest9> ups, nice name
19:30:00  <Frankr> nvm, just the name, TAROM.pcx instead of Tarom
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19:30:14  <FooBar_> according to Firefox it's still incorrect...
19:31:00  <Ammler> what does FF say about the cert on https://dev.openttdcoop.org
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19:32:41  <FooBar_> that one is valid. just not on :54322
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19:33:06  <Ammler> Hirundo: thanks to you :-)
19:33:49  <Ammler> FooBar_: me and Hirundo has it working now :-)
19:34:39  <FooBar_> Me too, I has an exception defined :P
19:35:08  <Ammler> btw. you can blame Hirundo, he needed the cert update
19:35:19  <Ammler> his client didn't allow him to use expired cert
19:37:38  <FooBar_> Well, I don't really care as long as it works. I have that exception in place as long as I use the bouncer; just now it started bugging me about it...
19:38:08  <Ammler> because the cert changed
19:38:10  <Ammler> which is fine
19:38:45  <Ammler> if that happens without annoucement, you need to worry
19:42:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 397: Removed Old TAROM.pcx @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/397 (by Frank)
19:42:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 398: Added the Tarom.pcx @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/398 (by Frank)
19:43:09  <Ammler> Frankr: maybe easier to change the nfo, isn't?
19:43:40  <Ammler> oh and 2 commit for a rename :-)
19:47:59  <FooBar_> I think they're planning an r1000 party :P
19:50:12  <Frankr> Fixed
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19:50:41  <Frankr> Works fine now
19:50:58  <Frankr> We will easily make r1000 1 day
19:51:14  <Ammler> :-D
19:51:24  <Frankr> :D
19:52:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 399: Changed 744 Co-ords @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/399 (by Frank)
19:53:44  <Frankr> lol closing in on 400
19:55:42  <Ammler> we should make a price for the project with 1000 commits :-)
19:55:59  <Frankr> prize, i hope
19:56:08  <FooBar_> No, price :P
19:56:09  <Frankr> :)
19:56:21  <Ammler> oh, there is a diff=
19:56:23  <Ammler> ?
19:56:33  <Ammler> ah
19:56:36  <Ammler> I see
19:56:37  <Ammler> :-)
19:56:45  <Ammler> yes price, 1000€
19:56:49  <FooBar_> I think we have to push real hard to get to 1000 with FIRS....
19:56:54  <Frankr> lol
19:57:07  <FooBar_> prize, also 1000€?
19:57:12  <Frankr> WAS will be a piece of cake
19:57:27  <andythenorth> FooBar_: think I can write a shell script that repeats commit -> push pretty quickly...
19:57:32  <Frankr> It will proably reach 2500 i expect
19:57:40  <Frankr> lol
19:58:12  <FooBar_> andythenorth: better not do that, ammler might charge a price of 2500 in that case :P
19:58:29  <andythenorth> actually I can't write a shell script for toffee
19:58:34  <andythenorth> but I could learn....
19:58:40  <FooBar_> heh
19:59:42  <FooBar_> while (i=i) { ...
20:00:09  <Frankr> lol
20:00:41  <FooBar_> Oh, I meant "I think we have to *commit* real hard to get to 1000 with FIRS...."
20:00:50  <FooBar_> pushing alone doesn't get us there...
20:01:09  <Frankr> wat u on?
20:01:19  <andythenorth> hmm...maybe we should do some work on FIRS.
20:01:22  <andythenorth> ??
20:01:59  <Frankr> r187
20:02:17  <FooBar_> FIRS? What's that?
20:02:31  <andythenorth> dunno
20:03:06  <FooBar_> Can't be any good. I'm against cruelty to animals you know
20:03:57  <Frankr> :)
20:04:17  <Frankr> How is FISH goin?
20:05:29  <andythenorth> FISH?   Kind of stuck in dock.  I've made the proxy graphics slightly more useful.
20:05:40  <andythenorth> I tried getting some help, but it's not panning out.  communication issues
20:06:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 188: Spurious commit to raise revision numbers - one a d... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/188 (by andythenorth)
20:06:26  <Frankr> lol
20:09:04  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #333 (Closed): Nightly compile failed @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/333#change-1087 (by Frank)
20:12:25  <Ammler> andythenorth: you should split those changes in single commits ;-)
20:12:49  <Ammler> Frankr: I hope, last time I needed to open it ;-)
20:13:22  <Ammler> else I teach the compile farm to create such tickets self :-)
20:21:48  <FooBar_> andythenorth: maybe change that in each file and commit seperately? I hardly ever write a space after the //...
20:22:01  <andythenorth> Hey
20:22:08  <andythenorth> I'll change it back in that case ;)
20:22:51  <FooBar_> nah, doesn't matter as I'm inconsistent in that anyways. But more often no space though.
20:23:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 192: Change: fixed space on comment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/192 (by andythenorth)
20:23:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 191: Change: fixed space on comment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/191 (by andythenorth)
20:23:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 193: Change: fixed space on comment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/193 (by andythenorth)
20:23:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 190: Change: fixed space on comment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/190 (by andythenorth)
20:23:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 189: Change: fixed space on comment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/189 (by andythenorth)
20:25:56  <FooBar_> Now that's silly
20:26:06  <FooBar_> I cannot emphasise how much you cannot do that :P
20:26:27  <FooBar_> Ammler: brot doesn't sort it's messages properly
20:26:47  <Ammler> it sort after time
20:27:03  <Ammler> to support git
20:28:24  <Frankr> Lol Ammler and Andy
20:29:15  <FooBar_> time you say? So Andy really committed r189 after r192? Then they should fix hg...
20:29:46  <Ammler> maybe we should use http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/CollapseExtension
20:29:49  <Webster> Title: CollapseExtension - Mercurial (at mercurial.selenic.com)
20:30:14  <Ammler> FooBar_: well, same minute maybe
20:30:23  <Ammler> hmm
20:30:32  <Ammler> and btw. hg allows to set date
20:31:34  <FooBar_> I think that's a client-side extension?
20:32:33  <Ammler> yes
20:32:46  <Ammler> but you know, mercurial is no centralized vcs
20:32:56  <Ammler> every mercurial is a client :-)
20:33:22  <Ammler> or every mercurial is a server
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20:35:13  <SmatZ> oh a LordAzamath <3
20:35:26  <FooBar_> That's interesting stuff. That means I can share a repo by uploading it via ftp :)
20:35:27  <LordAzamath> hai
20:35:50  <Ammler> FooBar_: mercurial has inbuilt server
20:35:57  <Ammler> just run hg serve on a repo
20:36:10  <FooBar_> oh wait :(
20:36:19  <Ammler> then in your browser: http://localhost:8000
20:36:31  <FooBar_> mercurial needs to be installed where the repo is located in order to use it?
20:37:04  <Ammler> well, obvious, isn't?
20:37:18  <FooBar_> it is now :)
20:37:25  <Ammler> but in such cases; i would use bitbucket.org
20:37:31  <FooBar_> bazaar doesn't need that; the repo is just dumb storage
20:37:54  <Ammler> hmm
20:38:05  <FooBar_> that's why I was mistaken
20:38:14  <Ammler> don't believe you there.
20:38:43  <Ammler> hg is also dumb storage if you have updated the repo
20:39:00  <Ammler> and afaik, you can use bazaar without local work copy either
20:40:03  <Ammler> so upload/download with ftp is possible
20:40:06  <Ammler> but silly
20:40:32  <Ammler> (just the .hg folder)
20:40:39  <FooBar_> Not if you don't have a VPS... I think I might get me one in due time though
20:41:17  <Ammler> as I said, in such cases, bitbucket.org, googlecode, sourceforge might very well be ok.
20:41:37  <FooBar_> Well, the first FIRS repo was hosted on my shared webhost and one could do a checkout of that repo without that I had bazaar installed on the webhost.
20:42:06  <Ammler> ok
20:42:19  <Ammler> and the checkout was with bzr
20:42:36  <FooBar_> yes
20:43:16  <Ammler> how did you sync?
20:43:23  <Ammler> push
20:43:33  <FooBar_> But that might work with hg as well, as clone is not much more than "copy .hg folder from remote location and extract"
20:44:11  <FooBar_> I pushed by mounting the ftp dir as local network drive and pushing to there.
20:44:41  <FooBar_> I realise that bzr was "installed" on the ftp location at that point, as it was basically part of my local system...
20:47:18  <Ammler> the clone url was http or ftp?
20:47:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #379: OPEN TTD title misaligned @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/379#change-1088 (by LordAzamath)
20:47:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #380: TTDPatch support @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/380#change-1089 (by athanasios)
20:49:57  <FooBar_> http
20:50:53  <FooBar_> Come to think of it, I managed to push to ftp directly once...
20:51:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 28: -Add: good year sound (closes #381) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/28 (by Rubidium)
20:51:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #381 (Closed): Sample 00: Good Year @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/381#change-1090 (by Rubidium)
20:51:32  <FooBar_> That didn't work in the first place (hence the mounting as local drive), but it did work when I checked some time later
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20:58:21  <Ammler> does opensfx have commits from someone else then Rubi?
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21:00:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 38: Feature: small riverboat now 180 tons; medium riverboat (new) 360 tons @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/38 (by andythenorth)
21:08:13  <andythenorth> FooBar_: in my FIRS test game, I'm feeling the lack of three industries.  I could code them but I don't fancy tackling the layout / slicing...
21:08:25  <andythenorth> 1. sheep farm to feed the textile mill with wool
21:08:37  <andythenorth> 2. scrap yard - to get steel / aluminium
21:08:50  <andythenorth> 3. something in temperate towns to supply food too
21:09:41  <FooBar_> alrighty; I'll see what I can do in the next few days :)
21:16:22  <LordAzamath> good night
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21:16:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #123: Sprites 514:542 (29) - Company Headcastle @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/123#change-1091 (by LordAzamath)
21:17:51  <andythenorth> FooBar_: ok, well the scrap yard is drawn (enough - might get improved later...).  Sheep farm needs drawing by me.
21:18:11  <andythenorth> Something in town to accept food?  A market?  Irwe did something nice for his set
21:18:29  <FooBar_> Irwe drew this supermarket I believe.
21:18:48  <FooBar_> We could borrow that; it looked good
21:19:04  <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44360&start=0
21:19:06  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Swedish Houses (at www.tt-forums.net)
21:19:06  <andythenorth> General store
21:19:41  <FooBar_> ah yes.
21:19:51  <FooBar_> I think that's best coded as house?
21:20:06  <andythenorth> yep
21:20:41  <andythenorth> He's using GPL...plus I tweaked the sprite for him, so I think it will be ok to use ;)
21:20:44  <FooBar_> Coding as industry might be quicker though, as I can reuse lots of stuff
21:21:05  <FooBar_> Would be nice to ask/let him know that we're using it.
21:21:13  <andythenorth> yep
21:21:50  <FooBar_> do you keep track of what parts you reuse from whom?
21:22:03  <andythenorth> to some extent.
21:22:06  <andythenorth> but not entirely
21:22:13  <FooBar_> IIRC you used a few bits off the ISR
21:22:15  <andythenorth> ISR parts are hard - so many contributors
21:22:50  <planetmaker> g'evening
21:22:52  <FooBar_> Then we should credit the ISR as a whole "uses part of ISR by..." in the readme
21:22:59  <FooBar_> evening pm
21:23:20  <andythenorth> yep that would be fine, then the credits cascade down to whatever the ISR credits are
21:23:32  <FooBar_> exactly
21:23:45  <andythenorth> ok, well I should draw the sheep farm then
21:23:55  <andythenorth> and ask Irwe
21:24:17  <FooBar_> I think we should write down somewhere what industries use parts of ISR.
21:24:25  <andythenorth> !
21:24:26  <andythenorth> ok
21:24:32  <andythenorth> : |
21:24:34  <andythenorth> :|
21:24:55  <FooBar_> So in case someone wants to use industry X that doesn't include ISR part it doesn't have to credit ISR...
21:26:10  <FooBar_> That's basically why the OpenGFX credits are so extensive in the seperate file
21:26:21  <andythenorth> I see the point, and it's possible to do.  We just need a table somewhere.  I was reading the spirit of the GPL differently...but this is fair
21:26:56  <FooBar_> Some CSV file will do and is cross-platform readable.
21:27:35  <FooBar_> Credits per industry should be enough, doing a per sprite basis is a bit rediculous...
21:28:02  <FooBar_> It isn't too hard to retrace what uses ISR stuff and what not?
21:28:38  <andythenorth> I'm just looking now...it can be done quite easily
21:28:59  <andythenorth> a plain text file might do it
21:29:08  <andythenorth> we use OpenGFX parts as well
21:32:40  <andythenorth> I've PMed Irwe
21:32:45  <andythenorth> bedtime for me
21:32:59  <FooBar_> for me as well ;)
21:33:14  <FooBar_> 'night!
21:33:19  <andythenorth> goodnight
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21:35:05  <planetmaker> good idea. Good night from here, too
21:35:22  <FooBar_> goodnight!
22:04:04  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated.
22:04:13  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
22:04:18  <Brot6> opensfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opensfx/ initiated.
22:10:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 183: Change: Improved graphics for toyland foundations (closes #332) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/183 (by planetmaker)
22:10:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #332 (Closed): Toyland foundations @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/332#change-1092 (by planetmaker)
22:26:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 400: Added AirFrance A380-800 in @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/400 (by Frank)
22:39:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 401: Added 734 JAT in @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/401 (by Frank)
22:39:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 29: -Add: sample for sheep (closes #394) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/29 (by Rubidium)
22:39:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #394 (Closed): Sample 36: Sheep @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/394#change-1093 (by Rubidium)
22:51:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 402: Added Norwegian Air 748 in @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/402 (by Frank)
22:53:12  <Frankr> Yay above 400
22:56:18  * Ammler hands over a cookie to Frankr
22:59:37  <Frankr> ty
23:18:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 30: -Add: 'splat' sound for building watery stuff (closes #382) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/30 (by Rubidium)
23:18:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #382 (Closed): Sample 02: Building docks/canals/rivers @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/382#change-1094 (by Rubidium)
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23:47:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #423: Co-ords for 722 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/423 (by Frank)
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