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(Usage: 100M) 01:33:44 <Brot6> Vote for ME -- I'm well-tapered, half-cocked, ill-conceived and TAX-DEFERRED! 05:56:59 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:57:14 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 06:18:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 133: Add: source files from lead@inbox @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/133 (by andythenorth) 06:21:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:21:09 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 07:51:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 134: Change: progress on graphics for Vehicle Ferry @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/134 (by andythenorth) 08:20:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:23:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 271: added alot of files, removed a few, added the TGV-Thalys from a mod... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/271 (by DJNekkid) 12:23:19 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:23:25 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 12:27:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:27:27 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 13:30:01 *** Mark has quit IRC 13:30:51 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:31:06 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 13:58:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 14:31:37 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 14:44:29 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:44:34 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 15:17:25 *** Mark has quit IRC 15:17:36 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:17:51 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 15:24:25 *** Mark__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:24:29 *** Mark__ has quit IRC 16:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r270 to r271, starting nightly compile 16:18:34 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (4 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/ 16:18:34 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:34 <Brot6> fish: update from r132 to r134, starting nightly compile 16:18:55 <Brot6> fish: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/ 16:18:55 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:56 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14) 16:18:56 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r203) 16:18:56 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:18:57 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r546) 16:25:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:25:13 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 16:26:20 <andythenorth> FooBar: regarding licensing 16:26:35 <andythenorth> I'm staying out of a long chat with George (work to do) 16:26:44 <andythenorth> but I have two problems with CC 16:27:15 <andythenorth> 1. flawed concept. CC is way too complicated and I think it's a massive fail as a license scheme. GPL is elegant. But that's a matter of taste 16:27:44 <andythenorth> 2. CC makes no guarantee that improvements by one author to a project have to be released back. Bad. 16:28:01 <andythenorth> I think you've made that clear to George, so I'm not going to reply to it any further 16:36:59 <Ammler> the only reason for CC is if you are too lazy for supply the source 16:37:37 <Ammler> or then, you use CC-ND 20:20:48 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:20:53 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 20:34:22 *** Mark has quit IRC 20:52:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:30:23 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:39:18 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:39:23 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 21:39:46 <Beardie> Frankr? 21:40:11 <Frankr> yh 21:44:40 *** Beardie has quit IRC 21:55:42 <Ammler> Frankr: why do you make such a ugly release of WAS, if you have the nice Makefile to build bundles? 21:56:01 <Frankr> i disagree with it ammler 21:56:14 <Frankr> i think ext and faddy have rushed into this 21:56:28 <Frankr> and i haven't been on all day and neither has beardie 21:56:32 <Ammler> also the last compile had around 40 errors 21:56:39 <Frankr> exactly 21:56:52 <Ammler> so you agree? :-) 21:56:57 <Frankr> faddy has made changes on his computer 21:57:04 <Frankr> i agree with u ammler 21:57:12 <Frankr> disagree with the release 21:57:33 <Rubidium> oh, definitely white lines in some sprites 21:57:36 <Frankr> it feels rushed and that was our main critism off ppl, "DON'T RUSH IT" 21:57:58 <Frankr> faddy and ext say thy fixed thm before the release but i don't know 21:58:07 <Frankr> cos faddy isn't online to give me the files 21:58:16 <Ammler> well, that might be, but they didn't push those fixes. 21:58:18 <Frankr> he really needs to sort his repo out 21:58:26 <Frankr> Ammler 21:58:37 <Frankr> his repo doesn't work and he cba fixing it 21:58:44 <Ammler> and it is very recommend to add a readme and license file to the grf. 21:59:02 <Frankr> exactly 21:59:07 <Frankr> me and beardie aren't happy 21:59:10 <Rubidium> the latter is more like required than recommended 21:59:11 <Ammler> like make bundle would do :-) 21:59:36 <Frankr> neither me nor beardie is happy with thm 21:59:43 <Frankr> them* 21:59:59 <Ammler> ok, I don't want to blame you, I just mentioned 21:59:59 <Frankr> and there is nothing we can do now 22:00:10 <Frankr> neither of them are online 22:00:16 <Frankr> so we can't remove it 22:00:18 <Rubidium> find some moderizzle and get the post removed 22:00:32 <Ammler> at least the attachement 22:00:36 <Ammler> and link to the nightly zip 22:01:33 <Frankr> I totally agree Ammler and Rubidium 22:02:03 <Frankr> But for 1 i don't really do much posting on TTD-Forums and therefore i think Beardie would have to get it removed 22:02:07 <Ammler> dunno, if was has the feature to support using tags like the pm Makefile 22:02:59 <Frankr> Another problem now is tha Faddy thinks he knows everything he needs about coding as well 22:03:13 <Frankr> even tho he's only done 2week tops 22:03:44 * Rubidium wonders why the nightlies aren't enough at this stage of development 22:03:46 <Frankr> but me and beardie will hav a work and if necessary remove his access to the repo if he does it again 22:03:53 <Frankr> I don't know 22:04:09 <Frankr> To be fair faddy recently has done quite a bit of coding 22:04:28 <Ammler> well, that is trouble you need solve intern :-) 22:04:30 <Frankr> but they wanted a main WAS Alpha as we set out to make 22:04:34 <Frankr> i know 22:05:20 <Ammler> you "can" also upload a nightly to bananas, so you are sure, all have the same md5sum 22:05:37 <Ammler> which is very important for mp games. 22:06:08 <Rubidium> nah, it isn't as important as it was long ago 22:06:52 <Ammler> indeed, you will simply download it now :-) 22:07:20 <Rubidium> nah, you won't desync because you got the wrong NewGRF 22:07:33 <Frankr> The GRF isn't even finished 22:07:53 <Frankr> i was goin to put a randomising action in 22:08:03 <Ammler> I flagged the FIRS grf so it isn't available for the generic public 22:08:24 <Ammler> you need nightly or a MP server for it. 22:08:44 <Frankr> not only tha 22:09:01 <Frankr> the grf isn't firs or ecs compatible as far as i kno 22:09:17 <Ammler> Frankr: just mentioned it as example. 22:09:46 <Frankr> Sorry i'm just quite angry Ammler atm 22:09:50 <Ammler> the problem with bananas is, that a lot people just download without reading . 22:10:04 <Ammler> so you should only have stable grfs there. 22:10:31 <Ammler> again, I didn't want to blame you :-P 22:11:00 <Frankr> well u can't blame me, lol 22:11:18 <Frankr> anyway what is done is done, so to say 22:11:48 <Ammler> I could, you are Manager and therefor responsible :-P 22:12:06 <Frankr> i can't control people who are rogue 22:12:14 <Frankr> lol 22:13:22 <Frankr> anyway guys how are other sets going? 22:14:08 <Ammler> :-) you are still the most active :-P 22:14:50 <Ammler> we need another push for open[g|s]fx 22:15:09 <Rubidium> heh, I already kinda did try to start that push 22:15:19 <Ammler> yes, I saw, thanks. 22:15:59 <Ammler> you mean the Frontpage of openttd.org 22:16:41 <Rubidium> yop 22:17:36 <Frankr> lol 22:18:01 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:18:06 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 22:18:24 <Frankr> Beardie 22:18:31 <Beardie> Ammler what do i do when a member of the project goes crazy... 22:18:34 <Frankr> We have just been natterin 22:18:48 <Ammler> Beardie: FIRST, calm down :-) 22:18:56 <Beardie> rofl 22:19:12 <Beardie> deep breath 22:19:14 <Beardie> lol 22:19:18 <Beardie> i am ok... :) 22:19:18 <Frankr> lol 22:19:21 <Rubidium> next call the mental hospital 22:19:25 <Frankr> kill him beardie 22:19:31 <Frankr> its the only solution 22:19:31 <Beardie> My Dad works there he can take me :) 22:19:34 <Beardie> lol 22:19:40 <Frankr> true beardie 22:19:42 <Beardie> no Joke... 22:19:57 <Frankr> he's actually telling the truth for once 22:20:03 <Frankr> lol 22:20:03 <Beardie> i never lie 22:20:05 <Beardie> lol 22:20:14 <Beardie> Anway what where you guys chatting about then? 22:20:28 <Frankr> rogue agents 22:20:36 <Beardie> ber dun chuuuu 22:20:55 <Beardie> Indeed 22:20:56 <Ammler> I just mentioned the ugly alpha release :-) 22:21:01 <Beardie> indeed Ammler 22:21:15 <Beardie> its a mess 22:21:20 <Beardie> and there is work to do 22:21:32 <Beardie> but we are getting there :) 22:21:41 <Ammler> I don't mean the grf itself, I didn't check that, just the presentation is a bit low. 22:21:46 <Rubidium> for people who really went crazy I'd start with revoking rights to commit/release, but given that you can't quite revoke those release rights it's not a good suggestion 22:21:56 <Frankr> Ammler it is both 22:22:10 <Beardie> Is it possible to set the Nightlies Page have a Password? 22:22:18 <Beardie> to have* 22:22:35 <Ammler> possible yes, but why? 22:22:44 <Ammler> he didn't use the nightly 22:23:06 <Beardie> Rubidium are you a Mod on TT-Forums? 22:23:14 <Ammler> not there, I guess. 22:23:19 <Beardie> no he didn;t actually he used Faddy's Download through hg 22:23:51 <Frankr> u seen my song beardie 22:23:54 <Ammler> just make the nightly release public, so nobody needs to upload grfs 22:23:59 <Frankr> Mad World 22:24:04 <Beardie> lol 22:24:23 <Beardie> Ammler i like the GRF upload it makes sure that everyone has a common File 22:24:35 <Beardie> and only lets poeple have want you want them to have 22:24:48 <Ammler> grf upload? 22:25:07 <Rubidium> Beardie: only in the OpenTTD section I've got some 'above average' rights 22:25:21 <Rubidium> but not all the ones a full blown mod has 22:25:49 <Beardie> lol so no one here can remove alexs post? 22:26:02 <Beardie> Sending a Pm to the great man himself then, orudge 22:26:05 <Ammler> ask at #tycoon 22:26:19 <Beardie> hummm maybe better idea 22:26:26 <Frankr> Beardie, they haven't included the license or readme either 22:26:33 <Beardie> i know how should i ask? 22:26:35 <Beardie> orudge? 22:26:58 <Ammler> just ask if someone is around, who can remove attachements. 22:27:10 <Ammler> and give them a link to the post. 22:27:37 <Ammler> else there is a report function 22:27:55 <Rubidium> yup, report is good 22:28:41 <Ammler> Beardie: try to keep friendly 22:28:43 <Beardie> there is own who is not away on IRC that has mod capabilities 22:28:48 <Beardie> yes Ammler 22:28:50 <Ammler> to exspotter, I mean 22:29:06 <Beardie> ok 22:29:08 <Beardie> i will try 22:29:14 <Beardie> but its not me its him 22:29:33 <Ammler> and if you need to fight, to that in private 22:29:40 <Beardie> He Complains i donlt code becuase i am at work but states he cant; paint becuase his eyes hurt... 22:29:52 <Ammler> you know how the BRSet died 22:30:01 <Beardie> indeed 22:30:23 <Ammler> try to stay unpersonally in public... 22:30:28 <Beardie> ok 22:30:52 <Beardie> should i edit my recent post on WAS Thread then? 22:30:57 <Beardie> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=821148#p821148 22:30:59 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [WIP] The World Airliners Set - Alpha (Release Pending) (at www.tt-forums.net) 22:31:03 <Ammler> :-) 22:31:54 <Rubidium> what works really good is writing a really nasty post and pressing back instead of submit 22:31:57 <Frankr> lol beardie 22:32:12 <Ammler> Rubidium: inded, I did that more then once ;-) 22:32:19 <Frankr> mine is alrite 22:32:34 <Rubidium> and if you then still feel the urge to write, your anger has usually gone (for the biggest part) 22:32:38 <Ammler> If I were you, I would make the nightlies public 22:32:53 <Ammler> so people know it isn't finished, but they have something to try. 22:33:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: I've lost count of that after like my 5th post on the forum, heck I even lost count how often I've done it yesterday 22:33:14 <Beardie> Well maybe we can do tnhat after a Proper Nightly 22:34:28 <Ammler> it would be sad, if you or exspotter or whoever now leave the project just because you make such troubles, that simply belongs to community work. 22:38:38 <Beardie> I am not leaving 22:38:39 <Beardie> lol 22:38:50 <Beardie> i will keep going even without a painter 22:39:49 <Frankr> not a very frequent painter 22:41:38 <Beardie> OK i have sent a 'report' to them 22:41:41 <Beardie> a very long one 22:42:15 <Beardie> the GRF should be removed 22:42:25 <Beardie> when the problem has been dealt with. 22:43:08 <Frankr> I did have a word with Ext, and said u wouldn't b vry happy 22:43:25 <Beardie> Well hes right. 22:44:34 <Beardie> So tomorrow night i think i will do some work on WAS 22:44:46 <Beardie> make sure the Forum is fully locked up and get them changes of Faddy 22:44:55 <Beardie> once we have done that 22:45:12 <Beardie> then all we need to do is make sure everything is coded correctly 22:46:01 <Beardie> i donl;t see why in a week or two that the Alpha will not be released 22:46:21 <Frankr> u not at college 2moro? 22:46:26 <Beardie> nope 22:46:36 <Beardie> i only at College Wed,Thrus, Fri 22:46:43 <Beardie> i am in tomorrow 2pm onwards 22:46:47 <Beardie> with rachel in the morning 22:48:20 <Beardie> what you think Frankr? 22:48:40 <Frankr> i'm free 2moro 22:48:46 <Frankr> but thy not 22:48:52 <Frankr> faddy got college 22:48:55 <Beardie> i know 22:49:08 <Beardie> doesn;t mean we can't get some work done tomorrow night 22:49:17 <Beardie> 2pn onwards. 22:58:11 <Rubidium> lovely... 2pm an tomorrow. That gets interpreted in many ways 22:59:23 <Frankr> lol 23:00:33 <Rubidium> e.g. 2009-09-29 12:00 UTC 23:05:16 <Beardie> lol? 23:43:52 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 23:46:14 <Beardie> Frankr, Ammler and Rubidium and to Who ever it may concern the GRF Alex posted has been removed by a Moderator. 23:46:33 <Frankr> gd 23:46:58 <Beardie> Indeed 23:47:18 <Beardie> Last edited by Lakie on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:30 am, edited 1 time in total. 23:47:20 <Beardie> File removed at the request of the other authors. 23:53:38 <Beardie> See ya Frankr i am off 23:53:51 <Frankr> speak later 23:53:55 <Beardie> bye! 23:53:57 *** Beardie has quit IRC