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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd October 2009:
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01:11:52  <Brot6> feed DevZone had 13 updates, showing the latest 10
01:11:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2783: Contextual quick search (#3263). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2783 (by jplang)
01:11:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2790: When a specific TimeEntryActivity are change, associated TimeEntries wil... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2790 (by edavis10)
01:11:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2791: Added all list and boolean custom data fields to the Time Report. #4077 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2791 (by edavis10)
01:11:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2784: Updated the unit test so Enumerations are tested separately from the sub... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2784 (by edavis10)
01:11:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2789: Added a Activities tab to Project Settings @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2789 (by edavis10)
01:12:02  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2785: Enumerations can now have custom fields defined on them. #4077 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2785 (by edavis10)
01:12:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2787: Added project specific Enumeration overrides. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2787 (by edavis10)
01:12:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2786: Added an active field track if an Enumeration is active on the frontend ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2786 (by edavis10)
01:12:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2788: Changed the Timelogs to use both the Systemwide and Project specific Tim... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2788 (by edavis10)
01:12:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2792: Fixed some merge bugs. #4077 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2792 (by edavis10)
01:33:42  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 103M)
01:33:42  <Brot6> I want to dress you up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and cover you with VASELINE and WHEAT THINS ...
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10:01:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Version 1.1 / 2.0: tt-forums.net Threads @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/boards/13/topics/489 (by Ammler)
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13:54:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #601 (New): ear rings for manager faces @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/601 (by planetmaker)
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13:56:19  <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't forget to file a bug that there's no German translation of the OGFX description ;)
14:05:06  <planetmaker> :-)
14:05:15  <planetmaker> that's a feature, not a bug ;-)
14:05:30  <planetmaker> indeed I should look at it, how that gets implemented.
14:05:40  <planetmaker> thanks for the reminder
14:06:49  <planetmaker> issue created
14:07:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #602 (New): translations of the ingame descriptions @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/602 (by planetmaker)
14:37:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #602: translations of the ingame descriptions @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/602#change-1528 (by Ammler)
14:38:32  <Ammler> Rubidium: is the language region based?
14:39:01  <Ammler> ah, nvm.
14:41:04  <Rubidium> huh?
14:41:18  <Ammler> as I said; nevermind :-)
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15:10:34  <DJNekkid> anyone who are good with 3d software here?
15:10:58  <planetmaker> Rubidium, implemented :-)
15:11:17  <DJNekkid> ..??
15:11:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 206: Feature: Allow localized ingame descriptions for the package. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/206 (by planetmaker)
15:11:27  <planetmaker> ^
15:11:32  <DJNekkid> oh
15:11:55  <Ammler> no blender guy, afaik
15:12:40  <DJNekkid> i would like a spriteset, only dummy sprites, but with 22,5 and 67,5deg sprites as well
15:13:31  <DJNekkid> square boxes would suffice
15:14:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: en is en_UK
15:14:50  <Ammler> isn't?
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15:15:01  <KenjiE20> en_GB
15:15:05  <Ammler> that is why rubi made the example with en
15:15:11  <Ammler> en_US
15:15:46  <Ammler> does openttd support de_DE?
15:15:54  <planetmaker> he...
15:15:57  <KenjiE20> en would be generic, and probably just link to _GB or _US
15:16:02  <planetmaker> yes
15:16:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #602 (Closed): translations of the ingame descriptions @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/602 (by planetmaker)
15:16:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #602 (Closed): translations of the ingame descriptions @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/602#change-1529 (by planetmaker)
15:16:08  * Ammler is waiting for yapmf
15:16:36  <planetmaker> nope. I wait for a translation to add :-)
15:16:40  <DJNekkid> yet another p-m-f ?
15:16:58  <Ammler> well, your description file is wrong, imo. :-)
15:17:20  <Ammler> there is no openttd support for de_CH
15:17:29  <Ammler> and I don't think, it does de_DE
15:17:31  <planetmaker> bad luck ;-)
15:17:38  <planetmaker> The translator is really slacking off
15:17:59  <planetmaker> Ammler, it doesn't matter as it matches the first two, if the full isn't found :-)
15:18:09  <planetmaker> and de_DE is correct
15:18:21  <Ammler> but it is a bad example for the file
15:18:41  <Ammler> that is why rubis exmple confused me too
15:19:02  <Rubidium> you're easily confused then
15:19:06  <Ammler> anyway en_UK is wrong :-)
15:19:15  <planetmaker> "; So en_US will be used for en_UK if no en_UK translation is added. "
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15:19:44  <Rubidium> oh... blames those who failed to see that in review
15:20:25  <Ammler> rubi this is review :-)
15:20:51  <Ammler> we don't have a hidden channel for reviews ;-)
15:23:16  <Ammler> but if you like to review patches before commit, redmine has now also review support for patches, btw....
15:23:45  <Rubidium> nah, was talking about the stuff pm quoted
15:23:47  <planetmaker> Ammler, I guess he meant the description of it as committed to OTTD
15:24:31  <Ammler> well, that is fine, en_US is iirc part of the translations.
15:24:55  <Rubidium> en_UK isn't
15:25:03  <Ammler> de_DE isn't either
15:25:05  <planetmaker> :-P
15:25:22  <Rubidium> Ammler: it isn't?
15:25:26  <Ammler> but whom do I tell that :-)
15:25:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 207: Fix (r206): The locale for the UK is en_GB, not en_UK @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/207 (by planetmaker)
15:25:53  <planetmaker> then I guess it's still wrong...
15:26:36  <Ammler> yes, why do you make GB locale but not US?
15:26:55  <Rubidium> because he knows GB better than US?
15:27:13  <Ammler> well, it looks like copy of it?
15:27:27  <Ammler> ah, I should shut up
15:27:40  <Ammler> you guys should know it better :-P
15:28:55  <Rubidium> technically you don't need to add .en* because generally they're the same as the 'plain' description
15:29:17  <Ammler> yes, that is what confused me
15:29:27  <Ammler> you add it, if it differs
15:29:36  <Ammler> same with _DE
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15:43:18  <planetmaker> yes, I could have skipped the _DE extension and I could have skipped en_UK entirely
15:43:20  <planetmaker> But maybe we want to add an encouragement that - if the default text ist used - a translation needs to be supplied?
15:43:21  <planetmaker> that was my thinking in adding it twice
15:47:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: but then you should add en_US and de_CH as example
15:47:38  <Ammler> ;-)
15:47:49  <planetmaker> I don't speak Swiss
15:48:16  <planetmaker> that's up to you. And I'm rather speaking UK-based English than US one.
15:48:16  <Ammler> well, I checked your de_DE, don't see something I would translate.
15:48:27  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
15:48:36  <Ammler> no double s
15:48:53  <Ammler> not "Gehsteig" and "Brieftasche" :-)
15:50:42  <Ammler> we discussed that already in #openttd, for me, there is no good reason to translate to de_CH
15:50:43  <planetmaker> ah, you mean ß --> ss ? :-)
15:50:59  <Ammler> well, mainly because we don't have that sign
15:51:08  <Ammler> but we "can" read it.
15:51:28  <planetmaker> haha :-)
15:51:29  <Ammler> but you don't learn, when you use it.
15:51:46  <Ammler> it isn't part of our school books, either.
15:52:02  <planetmaker> adding it to the keyboard is something which could be helped. I guess it was lacking in your way of writing before keyboards were introduced and standadized
15:52:30  <Ammler> iirc, the keyboard is the reason, it get removed.
15:52:49  <Ammler> because we need t support french and italian too
15:53:36  <planetmaker> now, that's interesting :-)
15:53:52  <Ammler> well, I would need to googlepedia itt
15:53:59  <Ammler> no warranty of that.
15:54:37  <Ammler> we have signs like ç é à è on de_CH
15:55:25  <Ammler> not on ctrl-alt locations
15:59:55  <planetmaker> makes sense
16:00:43  <planetmaker> well. they're available here also simply by typing ´ followed by the character it's supposed to be put on é è ê î
16:01:00  <planetmaker> I don't know how to create the cedile, though
16:01:34  <Rubidium> planetmaker: same way?
16:01:58  <Rubidium> i.e. ' or ` + c
16:02:13  <planetmaker> no...
16:02:32  <planetmaker> it doesn't work seemingly with all letters...
16:02:36  <planetmaker> ñ
16:03:06  <planetmaker> that would rather create some east European letters with accents above consonants
16:03:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, would you like to write it that way as a French?
16:03:38  <planetmaker> Ammler: how do they write it there?
16:03:54  <planetmaker> I'm just appalled by the aserty keyboard layout.
16:04:00  <planetmaker> I don't find anything there :-)
16:08:19  <Ammler> where there?
16:08:48  <Ammler> french have é instead of ö
16:09:52  <planetmaker> ok
16:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r345)
16:18:03  <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10)
16:18:03  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r291)
16:18:03  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r159)
16:18:04  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:04  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
16:18:05  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r205 to r207, starting nightly compile
16:19:01  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/
16:19:01  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r43)
16:19:02  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584)
16:25:21  <Ammler> planetmaker: make bundle_zip doesn't make a directory?
16:25:42  <Ammler> I downloaded the zip from our server and run zip
16:25:51  <planetmaker> hm... dunno. I think it does
16:25:59  <Ammler> now I have the tar directly in data/
16:26:03  <Ammler> and a doc folder
16:26:15  <planetmaker> ^ It makes a dir :-)
16:26:16  <Ammler> ok, you agree, it shouldn't ;-)
16:26:41  <planetmaker> I think it should make a doc folder. Shouldn't it?
16:26:47  <Ammler> yes, but in a folder called opengfx-nightly/ or something
16:26:58  <planetmaker> and that it doesn't. yes
16:27:09  <Ammler> only for opengfx or all grfs?
16:27:18  <planetmaker> same for all
16:27:22  <Ammler> ugly
16:27:43  <Ammler> so if I would download an other grf, I overwrite the docs
16:27:53  <planetmaker> hm... probably...
16:28:53  <Ammler> that changed somewhen
16:28:59  <Ammler> sometimeç
16:29:11  <planetmaker> What does it do?
16:29:44  <Ammler> it had a folder at start... I need to check
16:33:51  <Ammler> but it works, I see it on my de_CH pc :-)
16:35:52  <Ammler> I still think, we shouldn't use languages not officially supported from openttd :-P
16:38:26  <planetmaker> I think it's a future-proof way. Should it be added to OpenTTD it's already differentiating between those.
16:38:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2784: Updated the unit test so Enumerations are tested separately from the sub... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2784 (by edavis10)
16:38:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #601 (Closed): ear rings for manager faces @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/601 (by planetmaker)
16:38:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 208: Fix: Graphics error for one ear ring (closes #601) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/208 (by planetmaker)
16:38:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #601 (Closed): ear rings for manager faces @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/601#change-1530 (by planetmaker)
16:38:48  <planetmaker> hm... why twice closed?
16:38:59  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler there's a double reporting by Brot
16:39:38  <KenjiE20> one's an issue, the others a changelog
16:43:15  <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/activity?show_issues=1&show_changesets=1&show_news=1&show_documents=1&show_files=1&show_wiki_edits=1&show_messages=1 <-- brot is mainly that
16:43:59  <Ammler> well, if you annoymize it
16:44:47  <Ammler> planetmaker: not possible you edited the bugreport?
16:50:56  <planetmaker> quite certain I didn't.
16:51:24  <planetmaker> at 17:16 it was also announced twice
16:51:26  <Ammler> OH, WE MISSED THE BIRTHDAY :-)
16:52:16  <Ammler> opengfx is one year old :-)
16:52:50  <Ammler> (yesterday)
16:53:08  <KenjiE20> IT'S ALSO CAPS LOCK DAY
16:53:11  <KenjiE20> :P
16:53:16  <planetmaker> INDEED!
16:53:25  <Ammler> well, it is AWESOME :-D
16:53:28  <planetmaker> at 17:16 I edited it only, though
16:54:21  <Ammler> FooBar: happy birthday!
16:55:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should create a  big happy birthday post
16:55:31  <Ammler> and mention the missing work ;-)
16:56:14  <Ammler> only 3 months left
16:58:56  <planetmaker> hm... blog post or tt-forums thread?
17:26:14  <Ammler> if you make a blog post, you should link it in threads
17:26:16  <Ammler> :-)
17:26:44  <Ammler> the forums people are most likely rather those potential helpers....
17:35:27  <planetmaker> I post it in both, I guess.
17:35:33  <planetmaker> copy&paste should work ;-)
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17:39:18  <planetmaker> mäh. The list of missing sprites doesn't work anymore :-(
17:39:24  <planetmaker> Jasper's server is a fail.
17:39:30  <planetmaker> FooBar: ^
17:40:03  <planetmaker> Ammler: do we have the script and could we port it to the DevZone?
17:41:33  <Ammler> planetmaker: the script is in extra
17:41:53  <Ammler> and yes, you are allowed to install it :-P
17:42:19  <Ammler> I have no ideas, about what is needed
17:42:42  <Ammler> I fear, you want me to install it :-(
17:43:28  <Ammler> well, let us simply copy it to the mz
17:43:32  <Ammler> and we will see
17:45:23  <planetmaker> :-D
17:45:28  <planetmaker> damn. You start to know me.
17:45:46  <planetmaker> but yes, I'm busy writing the blog post :-P
17:49:17  <planetmaker> @services op
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17:51:31  <KenjiE20> good I didn't break webster's conf, with the autoop
17:53:08  <Ammler> well, webster should op him(or it)self
17:53:35  <planetmaker> well. but if it fails it shouldn't try again
18:04:15  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
18:27:52  <Ammler> planetmaker: "... at the #openttdcoop DevZone." --> "... at TT-Forums or the #openttdcoop DevZone"
18:29:12  <Ammler> on the blog, I could fix it myself...
18:29:33  <planetmaker> hm, yes
18:29:34  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
18:29:36  <planetmaker> uhm... wait... the repository?!
18:30:10  <planetmaker> the repo is only available at the devzone...
18:30:20  <Ammler> yes, since around half a year
18:31:14  <Ammler> ah
18:31:16  <Ammler> ok
18:31:18  <Ammler> :-)
18:31:25  <Ammler> hmm
18:31:36  <planetmaker> amended appropriately
18:31:41  <Ammler> the first public release was 1 year ago
18:32:09  <Ammler> well
18:32:24  <Ammler> anyway, it was a good reason to bring it up again :-)
18:32:43  <planetmaker> hehe. Yes, very much indeed
18:33:37  <Ammler> now, lets hope ther is "fish" catching it...
18:39:29  <planetmaker> :)
18:39:52  <Ammler> I altered my sig a bit :-)
18:43:10  <planetmaker> good idea. I followed it.
19:44:14  <DJNekkid> hmm ... i should "finish" the 2cc set soon, i wanna play again :)
19:47:03  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: ^^ I feel the same about FIRS.  Currently broken :|
20:41:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2786: Added an active field track if an Enumeration is active on the frontend ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2786 (by edavis10)
20:41:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2785: Enumerations can now have custom fields defined on them. #4077 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2785 (by edavis10)
20:41:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 293: Change: some more production code (broken) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/293 (by andythenorth)
20:51:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2784: Updated the unit test so Enumerations are tested separately from the sub... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2784 (by edavis10)
20:51:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 294: Change: more production code (broken-ish) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/294 (by andythenorth)
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21:46:22  <Brot6> derailed, restarting apache
22:02:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2787: Added project specific Enumeration overrides. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2787 (by edavis10)
22:04:06  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated.
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22:28:13  <Ammler> mäh
22:29:21  <Ammler> hmm, a lot rejoins of the bot
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