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00:56:20 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:56:36 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:13:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2993: Adds a Setting to control how an Issue's done_ratio is calculated: @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2993 (by edavis10) 02:33:48 <Brot6> Backup done! 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(C... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/276 (by planetmaker) 03:33:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579 (Closed): use default behaviour for make targets @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/579#change-1788 (by planetmaker) 03:57:36 *** PeterT has quit IRC 04:23:41 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 07:04:11 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 07:30:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:59:39 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:12:43 *** ODM has quit IRC 08:58:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:15:45 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:22:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Comic Style Houses - Revision 67: Change: Add version checks. Fail, if OpenTTD < 13437 or TTDP < ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/comic-houses/repository/revisions/67 (by planetmaker) 10:04:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:13:35 <Ammler> I guess, I know how to create the splitted packages with one spec :-) 10:15:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: do you have ttdp installed? 10:15:34 <planetmaker> No I don't 10:16:19 <planetmaker> why would I? 10:16:38 <Ammler> oh, just wondering, because of your TTDP support 10:17:02 <planetmaker> I just read the specs in the NewGRF wiki 10:17:10 <planetmaker> so... it most probably works 10:18:21 <planetmaker> except if TTDP fails for long house intro dates, e.g properties 21/22 10:19:10 <planetmaker> if that should be the case ... bad luck. I just hope it will graciously ignore that it doesn't know them and happily continue what it got in property 0A 10:21:00 <Ammler> well, it is up to the ttdp players to report then ;-) 10:21:05 <planetmaker> exactly 10:22:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:31:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:37:47 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:49:04 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r399) 10:49:05 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 10:49:05 <Brot6> comic_houses: update from r65 to r67, starting nightly compile 10:49:17 <planetmaker> it's me ;-) 10:49:31 <Brot6> comic_houses: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/comic_houses/nightlies/ 10:49:31 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 10:49:31 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r220) 10:49:32 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r172) 10:49:33 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 10:49:33 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r275 to r276, starting nightly compile 10:50:10 <Ammler> ./compile-farm.sh <project> ;-) 10:50:28 <planetmaker> I figured... after it's been too late :-) 10:50:46 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:50:47 <Ammler> well, now we see, if your fix works :-P 10:51:14 <planetmaker> that was the purpose 10:51:37 <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 10:51:38 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r61) 10:51:39 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 10:51:56 <Ammler> I wonder, if there is something else I could move before the big devzone move. 10:51:59 <planetmaker> seems to work also for the CF 10:53:27 <Ammler> hmm, the mercurial-server would be something 10:53:41 <planetmaker> and svn 10:53:49 <Ammler> svn? 10:53:58 <Ammler> svn is on osais 10:54:02 <planetmaker> trac. Or ... that's on the other machine? Ok 11:07:24 <Ammler> clamd uses a lot of memory 11:07:46 <Ammler> (Antivir for mails) 11:09:34 <planetmaker> do we need that? 11:10:05 * Ammler doesn't 11:10:12 <Ammler> for now 11:10:17 * planetmaker neither for now 11:10:21 <Ammler> my mail is on gmail 11:10:24 <planetmaker> --> kill -9 11:10:27 <Ammler> :-) 11:10:36 <Ammler> that wouldn't work 11:11:09 <planetmaker> triggered? 11:11:23 <Ammler> you need to configure the service runlevel 11:11:31 <planetmaker> right 11:11:39 <Ammler> either manuell by removing the symlink in rc3.d 11:11:54 <Ammler> or with chkconfig 11:12:26 <Ammler> the latter is how it should be done. 11:12:50 <Ammler> also configuring webmin 11:13:09 <Ammler> also webmin could do it btw. 11:13:20 <Ammler> you can almost everything configure with webmin 11:13:24 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1392 11:13:26 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:13:38 <Ammler> if you don't know the console command, just search for it in webmin 11:14:18 *** Guest1392 has quit IRC 11:14:33 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 11:14:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you get the mail? 11:15:07 <Ammler> I think about a weekly report about it, so you can check and run it if there is time. 11:15:25 <Ammler> the update isn't done, the mail content is just a dry-run 11:15:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:15:45 <planetmaker> I get lot of e-mails. Which do you refer to? 11:16:12 <planetmaker> weekly system update? 11:16:31 <Ammler> yes 11:17:04 <Ammler> I am not a friend of automatically updates 11:17:16 <Ammler> I prefer to watch the process 11:17:52 <planetmaker> well. Makes sense 11:17:54 <Ammler> I would add that command to the weekly cron 11:17:58 <planetmaker> It also could break things 11:18:15 <Ammler> most propably not on suse systems 11:18:21 <Ammler> that is more a debian issue. 11:18:33 <Ammler> :-) 11:18:49 <planetmaker> well. Despite 11:18:58 <Ammler> well, depense how many "custom" services from "custom" repos are installed :-D 11:19:03 <planetmaker> I've had that share on my old suse system at work 11:19:50 <planetmaker> exactly. It's not like we're running a 100% out-of-the-box system... 11:28:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'm planning to make a RV only map for our server. Care to make a new(er) version of HEQS and FISH available on bananas? 11:49:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: probably yes 11:51:11 <planetmaker> :-) Nice 11:51:39 <Ammler> andythenorth: btw. is the current FIRS playable? 11:51:48 <planetmaker> Please hightlight me when you did... Then I'll download them and add them to a map and upload it to the PS 11:52:03 <planetmaker> and yes... if FIRS is playable... I'd add it - just for the fun of it. 11:52:17 <andythenorth> FIRS is playable...it has some issues... 11:52:22 <andythenorth> gameplay is also a bit strange 11:52:22 <planetmaker> (provided you make a version available on bananas, too) 11:52:32 <planetmaker> so... rather yes or no? 11:52:51 <andythenorth> I don't want to put FIRS on Bananas yet 11:52:58 <andythenorth> I don't think it's 'done' enough 11:52:59 <Ammler> we already did 11:53:14 <Ammler> but it is hidden from public 11:53:29 <Ammler> only available with nightly build 11:53:30 <planetmaker> hehe. Just available for one particular nightly :-P 11:53:51 <planetmaker> that's a nice idea indeed. I could even do that with comic houses ;-) 11:54:15 <planetmaker> But that doesn't fit what I envision for that game: some kind of sub-arctic scenery 11:54:20 <Ammler> well, I once asked andythenorth, if he could upload firs to bananas, he asked me to do it self. 11:54:34 <planetmaker> and preferrably w/o house set, so that OpenGFX gets tested 11:54:36 <Ammler> so I did it that way :-) 11:54:46 <planetmaker> :-O 11:54:58 <planetmaker> So... how would he update it - or is it a shared account? 11:55:08 <Ammler> the openttdcoop account, yes. 11:55:22 <planetmaker> ah :-) 11:55:37 <Ammler> well, I can do it again :-) 11:55:41 * planetmaker still would prefer multiple accounts for one project. 11:56:09 <Ammler> shared account isn't really liked 11:56:20 <planetmaker> yes. For a good reason 11:56:21 <Ammler> just a ugly workaround. 11:56:25 <planetmaker> It's a ^^ 12:01:37 <andythenorth> hmmm....I don't really mind how we get things to Bananas...I just have two comments: 12:02:01 <andythenorth> (1) I never seem to get around to putting things on Bananas. Wonder if we could automate it (when we tag)?? 12:02:35 <planetmaker> he... testing the base cost independency: loading egrvs, heqs, hiroshima trams, germanRV. Good or bad? 12:02:52 <andythenorth> no idea. try it? 12:02:54 <Ammler> hmm, we could try some scripts with advanced curl :-) 12:02:57 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I see no way to automatically do uploading to bananas 12:03:45 <planetmaker> Then we could add to brot a command like !upload opengfx 0.2.1 12:03:54 <planetmaker> would need op 12:04:01 <planetmaker> or a tagged commit 12:04:19 <Ammler> well, tags should create releases automatically anyway. 12:05:27 <Ammler> but we could also talk to Truebrain, maybe he can offer a easy api for uploading. 12:05:39 <Ammler> sometimes such things already exists, just not announced. 12:05:40 <andythenorth> sftp? 12:05:51 <andythenorth> scp? 12:06:03 <Ammler> don't think so, no ssh access :-) 12:06:16 <Ammler> and that wouldn't make it easier. 12:07:04 <andythenorth> nvm 12:07:06 <Ammler> I guess, I could login with curl and send the data that way... 12:09:45 <planetmaker> shall I ask, Ammler ? 12:09:53 <planetmaker> whether API or alike exists? 12:10:06 <Ammler> yes, you can 12:31:08 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:06:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Comic Style Houses - Revision 68: Change: Improve readibility of version checks @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/comic-houses/repository/revisions/68 (by planetmaker) 13:22:25 <Ammler> if we would make a special name for the openttd dedicated version, I could make all 3 packages in one spec 13:23:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:25:22 <Ammler> or in other words, openttd should be able to build a dedicated binary in the same run as the other one :-) 13:25:28 <planetmaker> openttd-dedicated ;-) 13:25:48 <planetmaker> would also save people wondering why they get no GUI with that binary 13:26:00 <Ammler> or openttd-server 13:26:06 <Ammler> or openttdd :-) 13:26:32 <planetmaker> I'd object to the latter... it's not a demon 13:26:51 <Ammler> true 13:27:05 <Ammler> well, anyway, that would be up to upstream not the packager 13:30:09 <Rubidium> just build openttd-gui and openttd-dedicated and use the same mechanism to figure out which shell going to end up as /bin/sh to determine which of the two openttd should symlink to 13:33:37 <Ammler> Rubidium: but I would still have 2 symlinks with same name, hmm, you mean a post script, which cretes the link to one of those? 13:33:52 <planetmaker> that's how I read it 13:34:15 <planetmaker> sounds least-intrusive to me. 13:35:20 <Ammler> [ -f /usr/bin/openttd-gui ] && ln -s /usr/bin/openttd-gui /usr/bin/openttd 13:36:48 <Rubidium> I have no idea how it exactly works in Debian, but they're doing it for e.g. /bin/sh, but also for things as vi and cc 13:37:57 <Ammler> I try that, sounds interesting... :-) 13:38:35 <Ammler> I also need to add a conflict tag for those 2 packages 13:38:56 <planetmaker> they shouldn't conflict really, should they? 13:39:03 <Ammler> same name? 13:39:08 <Ammler> hmm 13:39:16 <Ammler> no they can exist parallel 13:39:23 <Ammler> just the question, which to symlink :-) 13:39:34 <planetmaker> default will be GUI version 13:39:36 <Ammler> if both exist, symlinking the -gui 13:39:45 <planetmaker> few people run servers 13:43:13 <Ammler> seriously, does it make sense to have the dedicated version installed if you have the gui version? 13:43:21 <Ammler> does it use less memory or so? 13:43:24 <Ammler> Rubidium: ^ 13:45:29 <Rubidium> dedicated would use slightly less memory as you don't need to link it to fontconfig, freetype and icu 14:38:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:48:13 <planetmaker> any thoughts on that: Good idea to disable a grf, if the engine pool is off? 14:48:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680 (New): Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680 (by planetmaker) 14:53:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:59:11 <Ammler> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/SonicHgExtension <-- planetmaker: might be a helpful extension for the server 14:59:13 <Webster> Title: SonicHgExtension - Mercurial (at mercurial.selenic.com) 15:01:09 <planetmaker> hm, yes, might be. I'd prioritize it as "after the server move", though ;-) 15:02:13 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:02:22 <planetmaker> hm... let's see whether macports already know hg 1.4 15:03:32 <planetmaker> interesting. Then it updates also freetype. 15:08:47 <Ammler> is there need for 1.4? 15:11:16 <planetmaker> probably not. But bug fixes don't hurt 15:13:36 <Ammler> bug fix relase would be 1.3.2 :-) 15:13:44 <Ammler> 1.4 could be new bugs :-P 15:13:50 <Rubidium> 1.3.2 too 15:14:20 <planetmaker> too late. Upgraded locally :-P 15:14:22 <Rubidium> quite a number of the more complex bugs are only fixed by major releases 15:18:49 <Ammler> and most likely, you don't fix prios major releases anymore. 15:18:57 <Ammler> prior* 15:43:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:48:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #681 (Confirmed): compile warnings (r390) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/681 (by planetmaker) 15:52:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680: Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680#change-1790 (by planetmaker) 15:54:31 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:57:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #142: Cargotranslation table dont seem to work as intended @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/142#change-1791 (by planetmaker) 15:59:59 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:06:52 <andythenorth> FooBar: is that really you, or is it a bouncer :D 16:09:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #682 (New): fields don't show harvested corn or straw @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/682 (by planetmaker) 16:11:29 <Ammler> maybe we should kick FooBar 16:11:44 <planetmaker> why should we? 16:12:00 <Ammler> because he isn't online anymore 16:12:13 <Ammler> that isn't the purpose of the bouncer 16:12:31 <planetmaker> well... 16:18:38 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: arent the warnings on bug 681 removed in 399? 16:19:07 <planetmaker> let's test. I didn't hg up it seems 16:20:42 <planetmaker> you're right. Sorry, my bad 16:20:50 <planetmaker> I got two warnings, though://!!Warning (94): Redefining ID 10 not used since previous definition at sprite 769. 16:21:05 <planetmaker> in sprite 820 and the same in sprite 825 16:26:35 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #681 (Closed): compile warnings (r390) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/681 (by planetmaker) 16:26:35 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: care to have a look at issue #680? Is it fine, if I warn about disabled engine pool and disable, if TTDP? 16:26:35 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #681 (Closed): compile warnings (r390) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/681#change-1792 (by planetmaker) 16:29:50 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: i know... 16:30:01 <DJNekkid> its because of the "DD/NORMAL"-hack currently used 16:30:15 <planetmaker> ah, ok 16:31:32 <DJNekkid> thats why i wanted you to have a look at that :) 16:31:37 <DJNekkid> bu afk for about 30mins 16:37:21 *** PeterT has quit IRC 16:41:40 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:09:02 <DJNekkid> back 17:13:51 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 17:18:03 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r399) 17:18:03 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 17:18:03 <Brot6> comic_houses: update from r67 to r68, starting nightly compile 17:18:35 <Brot6> comic_houses: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/comic_houses/nightlies/ 17:18:36 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 17:18:36 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r220) 17:18:37 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r172) 17:18:38 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 17:18:39 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r276) 17:18:40 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r61) 17:18:41 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 17:33:38 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:39:36 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:41:47 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: did you look at #680? 17:42:13 <DJNekkid> not yet 17:43:46 <DJNekkid> what do you suggest? 17:44:28 <planetmaker> that you look at my diff and say "yes, that's _the_ solution!" :-P 17:45:25 <planetmaker> you know what sucks: I don't understand your facebook entries. 17:46:34 <DJNekkid> probably because they are in norwegian :) 17:47:03 <DJNekkid> i see no diff? 17:47:11 <planetmaker> that probability is 100% 17:48:23 <planetmaker> sorry. forgot to attach it. It's there now 17:49:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680: Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680#change-1793 (by planetmaker) 17:49:58 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:51:00 <DJNekkid> i see no reason for that not to work 17:51:42 <planetmaker> Especially: what's your opinion about the engine pool query I exercise there 17:51:58 <DJNekkid> well ... i dont have much opinion ... 17:52:04 <DJNekkid> but .. .hmm... 17:52:45 <DJNekkid> it dont need to be enabled to let all engines be available... 17:53:00 <planetmaker> no, of course not. The set alone doesn't require it. 17:53:11 <DJNekkid> and: 17:53:21 <planetmaker> The intention behind that is rather: don't have people complain, if they enable more sets and they conflict 17:53:34 <DJNekkid> yup... 17:54:07 <DJNekkid> but i got a feeling that most ppl aint gonna have the 2cc set and others enabled at once, if so, that would be only the compatible ones, economical vice 17:54:23 <DJNekkid> the dutchset (when im done), that NMTS and probably the BROS 17:54:25 <planetmaker> I don't share that feeling :-) 17:54:40 <planetmaker> And with those you need the engine pool anyway - so no problem 17:54:48 <DJNekkid> yea 17:54:55 <DJNekkid> but, there is no reason to not put that in 17:54:58 <planetmaker> I only complain, if there is no engine pool and multiple sets 17:55:15 <DJNekkid> and thoose things are the things I aint any good at ... 17:55:36 <planetmaker> want to make it a (non critical) error or just a warning? 17:55:51 <DJNekkid> no opinion really... 17:55:58 <DJNekkid> what would you prefer? 17:56:36 <planetmaker> Not 100% sure either. First I had even critical error (e.g. disable 2cc, if no engine pool and multiple grf), but now it's an uncritical error. But that might overdo it still. 17:56:44 <planetmaker> Maybe I just leave it with that 17:56:56 <Rubidium> leave it as an error 17:57:16 <Rubidium> then when the 'morons' post their list of NewGRFs you can flame them for not looking what the error is 17:57:19 <planetmaker> red error box alerts the user then... yes. preferrable 17:57:28 <planetmaker> :-) 17:58:12 <DJNekkid> its settled then... 17:58:16 <DJNekkid> feel free to implement it :) 17:58:25 <planetmaker> Just on my way to do so :-) 17:58:52 <planetmaker> Probably fixing bug #142 on the passing ;-) 18:10:47 <planetmaker> hm... I don't get a red error box, Rubidium as I'd expect it to get 18:11:11 <planetmaker> I get what I would expect to see for a warning 18:14:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680: Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680#change-1794 (by planetmaker) 18:14:35 <planetmaker> I actually also don't get a red error box, if I disable it with severity 3. It just silently gets disabled 18:25:12 <Rubidium> you won't get a red error window, just a small image in the newgrf settings window 18:26:10 <planetmaker> hm, ok. No popup error box as the newgrf wiki tells me then. 18:26:27 <planetmaker> I thought that was the difference between warning and error: the message 18:27:15 <Rubidium> hmm, then file a bug report that it doesn't behave like the specs tell it behaves 18:28:21 <planetmaker> will do that then :-) 18:38:01 *** PeterT has quit IRC 18:59:52 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: are you around? 19:00:24 <planetmaker> yes 19:00:28 <DJNekkid> good ... 19:00:36 <DJNekkid> i need your opinon on one thing 19:00:40 <DJNekkid> give me a couple of minutes 19:03:20 <DJNekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/220308 19:03:23 <Rubidium> lol... 19:03:24 <DJNekkid> would this work planetmaker ? 19:03:45 <Rubidium> 'can you help me', 'yes', 'okay first wait 5 minutes before I'm going to ask the question I want to ask' 19:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 19:04:28 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes, ask your questions... not whether I'm around in 5 minutes 19:05:01 <DJNekkid> i had not written that stuff yet 19:05:04 <DJNekkid> i just had it in my head 19:05:25 <planetmaker> I don't know whether it works. You need to test it 19:05:51 <planetmaker> I would guess 'yes', but I'm not sure 19:06:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680 (Closed): Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680 (by planetmaker) 19:06:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680: Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680#change-1790 (by planetmaker) 19:06:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #142: Cargotranslation table dont seem to work as intended @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/142#change-1791 (by planetmaker) 19:06:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 400: Change: Abort if TTDP or too old OpenTTD versions are found. Change... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/400 (by planetmaker) 19:06:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #142 (Closed): Cargotranslation table dont seem to work as intended @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/142#change-1797 (by planetmaker) 19:06:12 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #680 (Closed): Check for engine pool being enabled @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/680#change-1796 (by planetmaker) 19:06:26 <planetmaker> I'm not sure about comparisons there, whether they work as intended 19:12:00 <DJNekkid> no errors :) 19:13:26 <DJNekkid> and yey, works ingame as well :P 19:24:32 <DJNekkid> now that is hopefully something you like planetmaker :) 19:25:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 401: Change: Pax wagons now use proper classes (NORMAL and DD) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/401 (by DJNekkid) 19:25:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 402: Change: Moved the paxwagon (var)Action2's in separate NORMAL and DD... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/402 (by DJNekkid) 19:25:40 <planetmaker> congratz then :-) 19:26:32 <DJNekkid> in your spirit? :P 19:33:23 <planetmaker> yes. The only thing I'd change is DOUBLEDECKER instead of DD 19:33:44 <planetmaker> DD might acutally be very dangerous 19:34:06 <planetmaker> it's a valid HEX sequence. And thus it might be replaced in places by your define where you don't want it 19:34:30 <DJNekkid> TRUE 19:34:33 <DJNekkid> ehm, true 19:35:28 <planetmaker> even though you might prefer DD in other places - not OpenTTD related :-P 19:35:45 <DJNekkid> i might 19:36:36 <DJNekkid> but however, there are VERY few girls with DD's thats not either fake or fat 19:37:11 <DJNekkid> :P 19:37:15 <planetmaker> :-P 19:37:33 <DJNekkid> btw 19:37:45 <DJNekkid> wanna make a draft on the parameters we are to include in this version? 19:38:48 <DJNekkid> the ones i know i want is "compatability" mode where all cost-related stuff is normalized (i.e. skips the general action0) 19:39:19 <DJNekkid> and non-mu wagon running costs bitseparated by pax and cargo 19:39:47 <DJNekkid> and what about the regions etc... 19:43:24 <planetmaker> well... the "normalized" base costs is not really needed (anymore) 19:44:00 <planetmaker> I think the region parameters are not really necessary. I guess no one uses them. And if - you can always chose to do so manually ingame 19:44:09 <planetmaker> they just complicate things needlessly 19:44:38 <planetmaker> I don't mind the normalized costs - whatever that changes, though 19:47:56 <DJNekkid> well, what it does 19:48:04 <DJNekkid> it dont change any of the running cost properties 19:48:29 <DJNekkid> and thus can the set be played with other trainsets with less hassle 19:48:45 <DJNekkid> atleast in my head 19:50:37 <DJNekkid> and the regional ones ... i have no idea on the usage, and i bet VERY few ppl use them, but it were one of Purnos wishes... 19:50:43 <DJNekkid> so i think we should include that 19:51:36 <DJNekkid> as many of the ideas and premises of the set were set by him, and he have drawn 90% (ish) of all sprites 19:52:49 <planetmaker> well, you know. Since a few revisions different train sets cannot modify the base costs of other sets anymore 19:53:03 <planetmaker> each train set has its own base costs 19:53:05 <DJNekkid> wow! seriously? 19:53:09 <DJNekkid> <3 ! 19:53:11 <planetmaker> the train set specific ones that is 19:53:30 <planetmaker> not the whole set, but like running costs etc 19:53:34 <DJNekkid> yes... 19:54:02 <DJNekkid> that means we can actually have quite a few runningcosts... 19:54:05 <planetmaker> e.g. those which matter. Rail costs are not among those 19:54:18 <planetmaker> those are still global 19:54:31 <planetmaker> as you couldn't have several different definitions of them 19:54:57 <DJNekkid> ofcourse 19:55:29 <DJNekkid> but that means we can even more running costs... 19:55:59 <planetmaker> hm, how? 19:56:35 <DJNekkid> i _think_ trains can use RV, ship or airplane as base 19:56:39 <DJNekkid> Rubidium 19:56:44 <DJNekkid> am i correct? 19:57:23 <Rubidium> no clue, as frosch 19:57:29 <DJNekkid> oki 20:34:01 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 20:44:04 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:47:02 <DJNekkid> you know what ... 20:47:23 <planetmaker> hm? 20:48:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 403: Change: WAGON_PAX_DD -> WAGON_PAX_DOUBLEDECKER + Added a few defini... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/403 (by DJNekkid) 20:49:49 <DJNekkid> v.1 of the 2cc set were my "from learning to a trainset, with some features not done before" 20:49:56 <DJNekkid> v2 will have even more new features 20:49:59 <planetmaker> nice commit 20:52:37 <DJNekkid> thanx... 20:52:41 <DJNekkid> i try 20:54:57 <planetmaker> you became a nice template fanatic yourself ;-) 20:55:13 <planetmaker> once it catches, it's hard to stop, eh? :-) 20:55:19 <DJNekkid> indeed it is 20:55:34 <DJNekkid> even tho it, at times, actually _might_ be more work :) 20:55:50 <planetmaker> initially: yes. Probably more often than not. 20:55:58 <planetmaker> Maintenance later: definitely no 20:56:02 <DJNekkid> i know 20:56:11 <DJNekkid> and, adding a train will take literally seconds 20:56:13 <planetmaker> and the latter is getting more and more important :-) 20:56:26 <planetmaker> and re-balancing / adjusting things 20:56:32 <DJNekkid> yup 20:57:41 <DJNekkid> thank you btw 20:57:58 <DJNekkid> both you and Ammler 20:58:23 <DJNekkid> convincing me that preprocessor, includes and stuff were the way to go 20:58:52 <DJNekkid> but i must admit, i were missing procedures in pure nfo 20:59:13 <DJNekkid> as i have _some_ experience with pascal codeing from the late 90s 20:59:22 <planetmaker> I'm missing them in the pre-processor stuff actually 20:59:59 <DJNekkid> i actually won a programming-compo at a LAN event once 21:00:09 <planetmaker> having something like action0(id=XX, string="this name", intro_year=1059, running_cost_base=10) would rock 21:00:43 <DJNekkid> won a voodoo3 3500 card 21:00:55 <planetmaker> wooo! :-) 21:01:02 <DJNekkid> wrote a dos-program that were writeing from right to left instead of left to right 21:01:41 <DJNekkid> it were in the "useless util"-part of the compo :) 21:02:08 <DJNekkid> but i changed that card to a soundblaster live card 21:02:26 <DJNekkid> it were the first soundcard that had 2 line outputs 21:02:34 <DJNekkid> plus digital in and out 21:02:46 <DJNekkid> and i had recently baught a souround reciever then 21:02:52 <DJNekkid> plus, i could use it do DJ' 21:03:10 <DJNekkid> rear could be one channel, and fronts could be one channel, and i sent that to a DJ-mixe 21:03:11 <DJNekkid> r 21:03:19 *** Mark has quit IRC 21:03:36 <DJNekkid> hmm 21:03:42 <DJNekkid> know any good sites with "abandonware" ? 21:03:57 <planetmaker> abandonware.com/net/org ? 21:05:55 <DJNekkid> the sick thing is 21:06:06 <DJNekkid> Digital1200SL that i used back in the days 21:06:16 <DJNekkid> the "PCDJ" software that is "up to date" 21:06:24 <DJNekkid> is based on D1200SŲ 21:06:25 <DJNekkid> SL 21:06:38 <DJNekkid> but the current stuff suck in comparison to the 1999ish software 21:06:41 <DJNekkid> much more lag 21:07:34 <DJNekkid> tho, not that i need it ... 21:07:44 <DJNekkid> getting new CD-players just after newyear... 21:07:49 <DJNekkid> 28500kr ... 21:07:57 <DJNekkid> ~3000euro 21:08:35 <planetmaker> :-O 21:08:47 <planetmaker> that's a hell lot of money for a CD player 21:08:53 <DJNekkid> two... 21:09:13 <DJNekkid> roughly 10 or 11 gigs 21:09:22 <planetmaker> well.. still it doesn't qualify as "cheap" 21:09:26 <DJNekkid> nope :=) 21:10:09 <DJNekkid> but they have quite a few new nice features... 21:10:16 <DJNekkid> compared to my old once 21:10:20 <DJNekkid> ones 21:10:34 <planetmaker> :-) Do tell! 21:11:08 <DJNekkid> can use more sound-sources ... USB-stick or SD-chip for once 21:11:22 <DJNekkid> LAN-connection on up to 8 players 21:11:45 <DJNekkid> so if i have a USB-stick on one, i can play tunes from that stick on the other player 21:11:59 <DJNekkid> WAY bigger LCD screen 21:12:15 <DJNekkid> EVEN more vinyl-like stuff :) 21:12:54 <planetmaker> sounds cool :-) 21:13:36 <DJNekkid> the very nice thing, amongst others, is that when im on a gig and someone asks for a tune and i dont have burned it on a CD yet... 21:14:09 <DJNekkid> then i can just download it from the'net, put it on a USB-stick, and put it in 21:14:15 <DJNekkid> i dont have to burn it... 21:14:34 <DJNekkid> plus, im haveing fantasies that i can put all tunes on a small convinient USB HD 21:14:49 <DJNekkid> and i dont have to bring a whole CD-case 21:15:00 <planetmaker> hehe. Yes, that'd be handy, I guess 21:15:16 <planetmaker> make sure to bring it twice. On two HD 21:15:22 <DJNekkid> yup... 21:15:23 <DJNekkid> i know 21:15:49 <DJNekkid> or even, find a _somewhat large_ SSD disk 21:16:18 <planetmaker> doesn't save you to have it twice acutally :-) and a 3rd time at home :-P 21:16:28 <DJNekkid> nope... 21:16:34 <DJNekkid> i currently have it twice already 21:16:46 <DJNekkid> on my laptop and on my network HD 21:17:06 <DJNekkid> but im thinking i should fire up my old desktop, and buy a raid controller and two disks... 21:17:32 <DJNekkid> or even buy some new low-cost mobo and cpu 21:18:23 <DJNekkid> i have two 1TB disks floating around... 21:18:33 <planetmaker> nah, point is: you want it on two locations. And where you need it, you want redundancy in case of a failure 21:18:43 <DJNekkid> yup... 21:18:46 <planetmaker> but maybe we just meant the same :-) 21:19:00 <DJNekkid> home: two disks in mirror-raid 21:19:06 <DJNekkid> at gigs: two disks ... 21:19:12 <DJNekkid> but 21:19:14 <planetmaker> that's enough, I guess :-) 21:19:20 <planetmaker> if it's all the same 21:19:26 <DJNekkid> a SSD probably should suffice 21:20:24 <DJNekkid> 60gb should be enough to atleast 5000 tunes 21:20:43 <DJNekkid> (12mb/tune) 21:20:48 <planetmaker> yup. But SSD is... quite expensive. But might be worth the safety gain 21:20:58 <DJNekkid> exactly 21:21:07 <DJNekkid> can pop it in my flightcase w/o worry 21:21:42 <DJNekkid> 64gig crucial SSD cost 1750kr 21:21:48 <DJNekkid> ~200 euros 21:22:08 <planetmaker> he :-) 21:22:14 <DJNekkid> or a kingston for 100euros 21:22:29 <DJNekkid> but with slower r/w speeds 21:23:24 <DJNekkid> now i only need some kind of good data-maintance-solution 21:23:37 <planetmaker> what do you mean with "data maintenance"? 21:24:27 <DJNekkid> make sure the laptop have the same stuff as the raid-server plus the USB-disk 21:24:50 <DJNekkid> or ATLEAST the two later ones 21:25:06 <planetmaker> yes, that's absolutely necessary. 21:25:15 <planetmaker> You know what: make a hg repo and pull / push :-P 21:25:17 <DJNekkid> but the laptop _should_ have some kind of database over what is on the drives... 21:25:24 <DJNekkid> i've concidered that... 21:25:34 <DJNekkid> but i dont need much history 21:25:51 <DJNekkid> or not even at all... 21:25:57 <planetmaker> rsync 21:26:09 <DJNekkid> i mean 21:26:41 <DJNekkid> the only changes is more tunes, and an occationally replace of a tune with, for example, bad quality, it is a radiorip, or similars 21:30:51 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 21:32:57 <DJNekkid> :D 21:35:04 <planetmaker> :-) 21:35:48 <DJNekkid> rsync ... 21:36:06 <DJNekkid> some kind of HG-ish thing, or build-in in windows? :P 21:36:36 <planetmaker> no... a standard unix command to sync dirs 21:37:32 <DJNekkid> oki :) 21:38:12 <DJNekkid> not in msys/mingw :( 21:38:34 <DJNekkid> does it sync two ways? 21:40:01 <planetmaker> no 21:40:13 <planetmaker> at least I don't think. not sure though 21:40:21 <DJNekkid> well... 21:40:26 <DJNekkid> i think HG would be quite ok tho 21:40:27 <planetmaker> xcopy should do your trick on win. But there are tools for that, for sure 21:40:46 <planetmaker> more adequate than any of these, xcopy, sync, hg... 21:41:07 <DJNekkid> i mean ... there arent many tunes i change... 21:41:12 <DJNekkid> a handfull per year at most 21:51:33 <planetmaker> http://syncdir.sourceforge.net/ <-- what about? 21:51:34 <Webster> Title: Sync (at syncdir.sourceforge.net) 21:51:49 <planetmaker> but I'm off for tonight 21:51:56 <planetmaker> and I wish you a good one ;-) 21:54:08 <DJNekkid> yea... 21:54:10 <DJNekkid> thanks... 21:54:25 <DJNekkid> 2 more beers and a can of redbull and im ready for some darkness :) 21:56:54 <Rubidium> red bull to sleep? 21:57:16 <DJNekkid> no, got a gig in a nightclub in just over 1hr :) 22:43:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - titlegame6.sav @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/502/titlegame6.sav (by planetmaker) 22:45:28 *** tneo has quit IRC 22:45:53 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 22:46:04 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:46:04 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:48:14 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 22:48:35 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:50:15 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 22:56:52 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated.