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08:04:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 229: meta <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/229> || FISH - Revision 227: Change: updated changelog <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/227> || FISH - Revision 228: Added tag 0.1.1 for changeset c3d27f04f01a <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/228> || FISH - Revision 226: Change: pushed start date for current ships back to 1870...bit unrealistic, ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/226>
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10:47:11  <Hirundo> argh, why did someone have to resurrect the old IS thread
10:49:47  <planetmaker> dunno :S
11:02:59  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Infrastructure Sharing - Feature #5: Split patch <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5#change-1872>
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15:20:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14538: [IS] Fix: Crash in some corner cases when clicking openi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14538>
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18:12:15  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #697 (Closed): Dedicated server crash - segmentation fault in signal... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/697#change-1873> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14558: Merge: trunk up to r18667 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14558> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14539: [IS] Fix: (fix #697) Assertion failure in signal.cpp bec... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14539> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14557: (svn r18667) -Fix [FS#3454]: [NoAI] crash when trying to... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14557> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14556: (svn r18666) -Codechange: Add tooltips to enable/disable... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14556> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14555: (svn r18665) -Feature [FS#567]: Allow contour-map to be ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14555> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14554: (svn r18664) -Fix [FS#3449]: Unshade shaded finances win... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14554> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14553: (svn r18663) -Codechange (r1): Remove unused _smallmap_v... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14553> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14552: (svn r18662) -Feature: Add WarpIN-based installer for OS/2 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14552>
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19:27:40  <Hirundo> IS is ready for a 2.1.1 bugfix release, fixing the bugs in trunk and IS
19:28:25  <Hirundo> Rubidium: Could you trigger an IS compile tonight?
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19:32:25  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14560: [IS] Prepare release of IS2.1.1 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14560> || Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14559: [IS] Revert: changes for version 2.1. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14559>
19:34:23  <Hirundo> Ammler/planetmaker: could you try to get IS recompiled tonight? ;) I have to leave now
19:35:38  <planetmaker> enjoy. I'll try to see to it. Though I try to get the newgrf gui up to trunk (again)
19:39:31  <Hirundo> OK, thanks, goodnight
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20:25:26  <Rubidium> so... it should be triggered?
20:26:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: would be very nice, as the 2.1 has big bugs, afaik. :-)
20:26:30  <Rubidium> just a bunch of asserts that trigger quite easily
20:26:44  <Ammler> tip is ready for 2.1.1
20:27:26  <Rubidium> [2009-12-30 20:26:59] Task 0002239 created (hg://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2, IS2.1.1)
20:28:37  <Ammler> Rubidium: could you check if SSH still works
20:29:33  <Rubidium> after kicking the RSA fingerprint it does
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21:18:52  <Ammler> Rubidium: thanks, compile seems done.
21:19:02  <planetmaker> \o/
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21:45:40  <andythenorth> hai hai
21:46:27  <Ammler> planetmaker: something got wrong with is2
21:46:34  <Ammler> there is no .hgtags anymore
21:46:55  <andythenorth> that's interesting
21:46:57  <planetmaker> hm, no?
21:47:04  <andythenorth> I had trouble committing FISH this morning
21:47:16  <planetmaker> commit now, andythenorth :-)
21:47:24  <andythenorth> (I did already)
21:47:25  <andythenorth> hg said there were conflicts
21:47:31  <andythenorth> with .hgtags...
21:47:35  <planetmaker> uh
21:47:41  <planetmaker> well. solve them ;-)
21:49:13  <Ammler> hmm, and Hirundo patched both columns, first and 4th
21:49:16  <andythenorth> Actually I had trouble pushing, not committing
21:49:39  <andythenorth> or both, I'm just reading my terminal log
21:49:43  <andythenorth> anyway, fixed it
21:50:38  <andythenorth> I'll spare you the details :)
21:51:58  <Ammler> I hate current server
21:52:29  * Ammler needs to read the logs about the talk pm had about root server
21:52:49  <planetmaker> ah.
21:53:23  <planetmaker> basically I proposed to rent out parts of this server for interested people as OpenTTD server - and go for a root server
21:54:31  <Ammler> you really think, there are people around, who would pay for openttd hosting?
21:56:32  <andythenorth> Ammler: I dunno, but I'll contribute to current / new server costs for repo etc
21:58:07  <Ammler> http://www.hetzner.de/de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq4/ <-- the root server I have in mind
21:58:09  <Webster> Title: Hetzner Online AG: Root Server EQ 4 (at www.hetzner.de)
21:58:29  <Ammler> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq4/ <-- for andythenorth :-)
21:58:30  <Webster> Title: Hetzner Online AG: Dedicated Server EQ 4 (at www.hetzner.de)
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22:01:03  <Rubidium> that doesn't look expensive
22:02:46  <Ammler> Rubidium: how do you virtualize your servers?
22:02:46  <Rubidium> hmm.. method of payment: optional <- lol
22:02:50  <Ammler> with xen?
22:02:58  <Rubidium> vserver
22:03:05  <Rubidium> and virtualbox for the compile farm
22:03:21  <Ammler> yeah, that I know
22:05:35  <Rubidium> hmm, do they have IPv6
22:06:43  <Ammler> search for ipv6 was empty
22:08:31  <Rubidium> oh, nasty 'unlimited bandwidth' rules
22:09:13  <planetmaker> yes, 2TB basically
22:10:11  <Ammler> well, also 2TB are quite enough for us
22:10:24  <Ammler> as we use around 200GB :-)
22:10:51  <Ammler> but that just because I did a lot torrents ;-)
22:11:31  <Rubidium> 1.25 MB/s * 86400 seconds a day * 31 days = ~3 TB/month
22:12:04  <planetmaker> what calculation is that, Rubidium ?
22:12:18  <Ammler> I guess, openttd traffic
22:12:27  <Rubidium> the if over 2GB/month go back to 10 Mbps -> how much bandwidth is that?
22:12:37  <Ammler> ah
22:12:56  <planetmaker> ah
22:13:21  <Rubidium> which means 100 GB/day which means that last week there were a few days that our server had more traffic than that
22:14:41  <Ammler> I think, it is a nice feature to drop the bandwith
22:14:58  <planetmaker> well... depends :-) But then, you can pay them to not do it.
22:15:00  <Ammler> if you need more, you can buy more
22:15:01  <Rubidium> although you're royally screwed when you pay 30 euros extra for 2TB/month extra and you have 4.1 TB/month one month
22:15:22  <Rubidium> then you're put back to 10Mbps and only have 3TB/month
22:17:12  <planetmaker> well. It says, they cut it down to 10MBit and will put it back for another TB for 15€
22:17:27  <planetmaker> sounds like you can always buy another as one-time charges
22:19:11  <planetmaker> neverthelss 15€ / TB is expensive in my eyes
22:22:56  <Ammler> well, in our case, it doesn't matter
22:27:19  <planetmaker> indeed
22:31:58  <andythenorth> planetmaker: did you get chance to look at the FIRS parameter issue?
22:32:11  <andythenorth> (nvm if you were busy)
22:32:16  <planetmaker> not yet
22:32:30  <Ammler> what's your issue?
22:32:50  <planetmaker> understanding foobar's other-newgrf-detection method
22:33:07  <andythenorth> FIRS build is now incompatible with NARS :D
22:33:16  <andythenorth> for once the bugs are not due to me
22:33:21  <andythenorth> :P
22:33:28  <planetmaker> :-P
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22:34:07  <bugmaker> better? ;-)
22:34:08  <andythenorth> hmm...bed time.  Working on the game tomorrow?
22:34:25  <bugmaker> hm... I doubt it... Going to visit my sister
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22:34:57  <andythenorth> okey dokey
22:35:19  <planetmaker> good night :-)
22:35:23  <andythenorth> good night
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22:36:01  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/tags
22:36:13  <Ammler> no IS2.1 and IS2.1.1
22:36:35  <planetmaker> so... who removed it?
22:37:00  <Rubidium> probably nobody added it
22:37:22  <planetmaker> well, then bad bad who made a releases w/o tag
22:37:28  <Ammler> but where are the tags saved?
22:37:32  <Ammler> there is no .hgtags
22:37:35  <planetmaker> though it's honestly not that important
22:38:03  <planetmaker> tags are saved in .hgtags
22:38:13  <Ammler> [23:36] <Ammler> there is no .hgtags
22:38:27  <planetmaker> yes, I read that ;-)
22:39:02  <Ammler> I liked to tag it :-)
22:39:50  <Ammler> if I run "hg tag", it creates a file with one entry
22:39:57  <Ammler> so where are the others?
22:40:19  <planetmaker> let me look
22:42:39  <planetmaker> hm... is it only me or are there more than one head in the repo?
22:43:03  <Ammler> ah
22:43:04  <Ammler> indeed
22:43:42  <planetmaker> doesn't change the issue with tags, though
22:44:57  <Ammler> Hirundo: made that intendend, no idea why
22:45:07  <planetmaker> looks like, yes
22:45:27  <Ammler> ah
22:45:36  <Ammler> it is somehow the old version
22:45:46  <planetmaker> what 'it'?
22:45:46  <Ammler> that is ugly, imo
22:46:28  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/graph/63dfe393c601
22:46:55  <Ammler> specially r14520
22:47:37  <planetmaker> oh, I didn't know that view :-) Nice
22:48:00  <Ammler> that is the reason, I kept it
22:48:07  <Ammler> everything else has redmine too
22:49:01  <Ammler> do you tag or shall I?
22:49:32  <Ammler> if you do, tag also 2.1
22:50:20  <planetmaker> I don't think it's really the old version.
22:50:28  <planetmaker> you go :-)
22:53:08  <Ammler> Rubidium: http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd/desktop-fix.diff <-- also worth for trunk, skidd confirmed
22:53:45  <Ammler> planetmaker: he changed to the patch queue
22:54:13  <Ammler> then he stopped development on old branch and commited his patch queue
22:54:39  <planetmaker> yes. But he did that with 2.1 already. And we discussed that
22:54:56  <Ammler> yes
22:55:21  <planetmaker> in this channel :-) So obviously he uses (now) a patch queue in order to split it up. What's bad about it?
22:55:33  <Ammler> that ugly part is there since then
22:55:39  <planetmaker> ?
22:55:46  <planetmaker> which ugly part?
22:56:12  <Ammler> ok, not ugly but confusing...
22:56:24  <Ammler> I dont get it
22:56:25  <planetmaker> ok, what confusing part? :-)
22:56:51  <Ammler> he develops it as patch queue, but pushes it to the default branch?
22:57:24  <planetmaker> yes. In this repo. I assume he has another repo at home
22:57:29  <Ammler> I would make one branch per patch or a patch queue repo
22:57:56  <Ammler> planetmaker: how should someone contribute now?
22:57:59  <planetmaker> besides, this repo can have several heads... and then there's still clean trunk
22:58:33  <planetmaker> Ammler: that's more difficult. But you can easily make a patch against head and it will be a nice (new) patch for his queue
22:58:45  <planetmaker> And... who contributed anyway? Not even I did...
22:59:04  <Ammler> you made trunk syncs, didn't you?
22:59:12  <planetmaker> yes. A few
22:59:24  <planetmaker> But they were of mediocre quality :-)
22:59:37  <Ammler> :-)
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23:00:36  <Ammler> how is the revert commit command again?
23:00:44  <Ammler> backout or something
23:01:23  <planetmaker> rollback
23:01:25  <planetmaker> if it's the last
23:01:33  <Ammler> it isn't
23:01:35  <planetmaker> backout otherwise... but I'd not use it
23:01:44  <Ammler> and you don't like rollback anyway ;-)
23:01:54  <planetmaker> oh, I use them. Locally
23:01:56  <Ammler> yes, backout needs merge
23:02:07  <planetmaker> But I consider it on public repos back practise
23:02:25  <Ammler> I need to revere the release changeset
23:02:42  <planetmaker> hm, why?
23:02:48  <planetmaker> well. yes.
23:02:56  <planetmaker> Just make a diff and apply it reversed
23:03:22  <planetmaker> hg diff -rXX:YY > make_release.diff
23:03:35  <planetmaker> patch -p1 -r < make_release.diff
23:04:00  <Ammler> or hg backout --merge ?
23:04:19  <planetmaker> that's two commits
23:05:00  <planetmaker> (not that it hurts, whatever you prefer)
23:05:10  <planetmaker> And I should go to bed :-)
23:07:25  <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1732393 diff :-P
23:08:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: btw, instead using -rxx:yy, you -c
23:08:41  <Ammler> use*
23:09:40  <planetmaker> true
23:09:48  <planetmaker> forgot about that
23:10:58  <Ammler> and hg import
23:11:49  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14561: Added tag 2.1.1 for changeset ba6cda83f9a0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14561>
23:17:51  <Ammler> planetmaker: good night :-)
23:18:08  <Ammler> btw. do you know something about rebase?
23:18:23  <planetmaker> well... I know it exists.
23:18:57  <planetmaker> it's intended for cases where you want to move a commit further up in the tree. Good for patches
23:19:07  <planetmaker> I think mq uses it
23:19:25  <planetmaker> but... would need to check to be sure
23:19:58  <Ammler> that is what #mercurial suggested to use for reverting a changelog
23:20:05  <Ammler> set*
23:20:10  <planetmaker> ah
23:20:37  <planetmaker> which network is that on?
23:20:49  <Ammler> irc.freenode.net
23:21:02  <Ammler> like everything else :-)
23:24:06  <planetmaker> ok :-) But now... good night :-)

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