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00:00:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 00:00:58 *** Beardie has quit IRC 00:02:08 <PeterT> Thanks, Ammler 00:36:18 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:39:13 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:40:25 <Yexo> I tried to register at dev.openttdcoop.org, registration seemed to work but now it says "Invalid user or password" when I try to login 00:40:40 <Yexo> is there a confirmation email or something like that? 00:42:52 <PeterT> Yes 00:43:03 <PeterT> there should be a confirmation email 00:43:24 <Yexo> ok, thanks 00:43:28 <Yexo> I'll wait a bit longer then 00:51:09 <PeterT> not sure, is there a "re-send confirmation email" button somewhere? 00:52:47 <Yexo> I just got it, I was a bit impatient :p 00:54:28 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (New): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/772> 00:56:11 <PeterT> Yexo: hehe, it worked ^ :-) 01:26:37 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 20: Fix: Defines have to start with letters, not numbers <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/20> || Nutracks - Revision 19: Fix: Remove those preprocessor lines which confuse renum <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/19> 01:28:51 <planetmaker> Rejoice DJNekkid 01:29:16 <planetmaker> All errors concerning #define, Makefile, #include are now fixed 01:29:25 <planetmaker> And we still get the happy renum assertion 01:30:12 <planetmaker> Yexo: still around? 01:31:20 <planetmaker> well. ping me tomorrow at a more convenient time so that we can get the airport newgrf started. 01:31:37 <planetmaker> tomorrow=after sleep :-P 01:42:49 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Confirmed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/772#change-2073" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/772#change-2073> || Nutracks - Revision 21: Fix: Missed one 120R->R120 renaming <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/21> || #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Confirmed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/772> 01:47:14 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:58:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 44: Fix: preprocessing left unwanted lines in the files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/44> 03:08:44 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:17:41 *** Frankr has quit IRC 05:24:40 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 05:24:40 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 05:24:40 *** Yexo has quit IRC 05:24:41 *** V453000 has quit IRC 05:24:41 *** Rubidium has quit IRC 05:25:30 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:46:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:40:51 <DJNekkid> hey planetmaker thanx for the update... "good" to see you also have the assert... 08:41:12 <planetmaker> no problem 08:42:35 <planetmaker> the problem with the #... lines was that I absolutely missed a) that I explicitly removed them in the previous makefile version and b) absolutely missed those lines when I checked the NFO files 08:42:46 <planetmaker> and I did the latter 08:42:48 <DJNekkid> hehe :) 08:42:57 <DJNekkid> shit happens! 08:43:00 <planetmaker> yup 08:43:08 <planetmaker> :-) 08:43:11 <DJNekkid> we all do mistakes ... unless you are dead 08:43:30 <planetmaker> Other than that: nothing of what I said yesterday was wrong either ;-) 08:43:45 <planetmaker> I renamed also all those defines 08:43:51 <planetmaker> and fixed some include paths 08:43:58 <DJNekkid> goodie :D 08:44:37 <DJNekkid> either way, i gotta run again... i just had to warm my feet in the car a few minutes... but: 08:44:42 <planetmaker> I haven't looked: in the template the R120 rail type is mentioned explicitly. Is that intended? 08:44:55 <DJNekkid> well, yes ... 08:45:09 <DJNekkid> its not finished yet, and i've done it that way until it works as intended 08:45:17 <planetmaker> ok, just asking. I didn't have much chance to look at the code in more detail and wondered 08:45:27 <DJNekkid> np! :D 08:45:29 <planetmaker> I thought so much :-) 08:45:45 <DJNekkid> but... i see there are a patch for renum in the renum-thread 08:45:53 <DJNekkid> how do i get a new renum' made? 08:46:12 <planetmaker> same way as this project: 'make' ;-) 08:46:19 <DJNekkid> hehe 08:46:25 <planetmaker> if you have the svn checkout of the repo of renum 08:46:31 <planetmaker> and boost installed 08:46:31 <DJNekkid> i dont :) 08:47:17 <planetmaker> both is feasable and not more difficult to setup things you require to run any of these repos here. 08:47:24 <planetmaker> But you need svn instead of hg. 08:47:33 <planetmaker> and boost. A big chunky library 08:48:05 <DJNekkid> i guess i'll look into it when im done at work today 08:49:16 <planetmaker> I'll see whether and what it fixes :-) 08:51:12 <planetmaker> hm... there IS an update. I wonder what it fixes. Maybe the crash 08:52:12 <planetmaker> oh, btw: make remake still works ;-) 08:52:21 <planetmaker> I didn't actually remove it... :-P 08:53:09 <planetmaker> hm, no, r2604 doesn't fix the crash 08:53:25 <DJNekkid> but the applied patch ? 08:53:43 <DJNekkid> (last post from peter in the renum tt-thread) 08:53:46 <planetmaker> testing now 08:54:00 <planetmaker> yexo's patch I assume? 08:55:49 <planetmaker> well. that fixes the crash at least and removes many warnings 08:59:43 <DJNekkid> cool 08:59:44 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/773 <-- DJNekkid 08:59:54 <DJNekkid> wanna upload that renum somewhere? :) 09:00:10 <planetmaker> Actually: no. You need MacOS 10.6 ;-) 09:00:36 <DJNekkid> bah 09:01:23 <Ammler> good morning, quite active already :-P 09:04:14 <planetmaker> good morning Ammler :-) 09:04:56 <Ammler> why is the patch not applied to trunk? 09:05:32 <planetmaker> because the banana is yellow. Or so ;-) 09:06:03 <DJNekkid> hey ... i just had an GREAT idea... 09:06:05 <planetmaker> (I wonder, too) But probably DaleSTan hasn't gotten around to looking at renum again 09:06:32 <Ammler> ok, I could let obs apply it and build with it. 09:06:51 <Ammler> so I have a centos rpm ;-) 09:06:52 <DJNekkid> what abot a railtype that cost 0, but nothing can drive on it, and it probably should have "inproper" gfx as well... 09:06:55 <DJNekkid> called "planned" 09:06:59 <DJNekkid> (or something) 09:07:06 <DJNekkid> then, one can use the convert tool 09:07:14 <DJNekkid> to actually build it! 09:07:19 <planetmaker> nice idea :-) 09:07:44 <DJNekkid> it _will_ cost 20 per tile tho (buldoze) 09:07:49 <planetmaker> yup 09:08:03 <planetmaker> and 1/tile as 0/tile is not allowed IIRC 09:08:04 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you really like to make railtypes which costs 20k? 09:08:21 <DJNekkid> Ammler: 25 actually... 09:08:35 <DJNekkid> but yes... 09:08:45 <DJNekkid> at the maglev-stage of a game one usually have HEEPS of cash 09:09:29 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: 1/tile huh? 09:10:23 <DJNekkid> either way, i gotta run again... i just had to share the idea :D 09:11:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Bug #773 (New): renum errors <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/773> 09:21:20 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:21:27 <Rubidium> free unuseable rail? 09:22:17 <Rubidium> i.e. cheap land buying? 09:23:36 <DJNekkid> ehm i guess 09:24:25 <Doorslammer> *facedesk* 09:24:36 <Doorslammer> I cant leave anyone alone with anything it seems 09:29:45 <Ammler> he you would need a parameter to disable it, else it isn't MP " safe":-) 09:35:14 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes :-) 09:35:31 <planetmaker> Would make sense for planning ahead and so on. 09:35:42 <planetmaker> Though... sometimes foundations and stuff might be the bigger thing 09:35:44 <planetmaker> And bridges 09:35:54 <planetmaker> It will need testing wrt its usefulness. 09:36:57 <planetmaker> Ammler, why isn't a virtually 0€ rail MP safe? 09:37:20 <Ammler> because you can quite cheap block others 09:37:59 <planetmaker> Just buy the land. Just as cheap 09:38:09 <planetmaker> 1€/tile cheaper 10:15:55 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 45: Change: simplify retrieval of repo information by using hg id <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/45> 10:42:01 <Ammler> why not just using the + instead the M? 10:46:02 *** PeterT has quit IRC 10:46:21 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:40:33 <Yexo> planetmaker: ping 11:42:42 <DJNekkid> pong :ØP 11:43:21 <planetmaker> Yexo, pong 11:44:25 <planetmaker> Question mostly is: What shall be the name (shown on the DevZone) and the identifier which best IMO matches the reponame 11:44:45 <planetmaker> Like newgrfairport 11:44:57 <planetmaker> or alike. Dunno. Depends a bit on how you want to put the emphasis 11:45:05 <Yexo> something like climdep_airport? 11:45:26 <planetmaker> ok 11:47:28 <planetmaker> are you sure you don't want to extend it at some stage to something more than just climate dependance? ;-) 11:47:41 <Yexo> hmm 11:47:46 <Yexo> no 11:47:51 <Ammler> !s/_/-/ ;-) 11:47:55 <Yexo> as in, maybe I do want to extend it 11:48:49 <Yexo> but if so, only to add alternative airport graphics 11:49:23 <Ammler> newairports :-P 11:49:45 <planetmaker> Yexo, yes, but that's why I'm asking, maybe chosing a bit more generic name ;-) 11:49:52 <planetmaker> Also it seems the identifier cannot have _ 11:49:58 <Yexo> yes, that's a good idae indeed 11:50:45 <planetmaker> airportsplus ? 11:50:55 <Yexo> that's fine :) 11:51:22 <planetmaker> project created 11:51:36 <planetmaker> mercurial project? 11:51:41 <Yexo> yes 11:52:03 <Yexo> and I'd like to make use of your makefile system too 11:52:09 <planetmaker> sure, no problem 11:52:37 <planetmaker> shall I create a project and make the makefile an initial commit or do you have already a repo and want to clone it to the server? 11:52:50 <Yexo> I already have a repo 11:52:59 <Yexo> Made the first inital commits yesterday 11:53:41 <planetmaker> ok, then hg clone . ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org:22/hg-repos/airportsplus should do the trick 11:53:46 <planetmaker> for you 11:55:44 <planetmaker> In the listing on the DevZone it currently is named "Climate dependant airports". But that is something which you can change. The identifier airportsplus is fixed - and for the ease of maintaining the DevZone I recommend to use that dir name on our server when cloning ;-) 11:56:10 <Yexo> planetmaker: did the rsa-key of the server change? 11:56:18 <V453000> pm: the lighthouse doesnt need "construction stages", right? :D 11:56:24 <planetmaker> V453000, no 11:56:29 <V453000> yeah :) 11:56:39 <planetmaker> hm... @ Yexo 11:56:54 <Yexo> 5f:2c:03:02:ff:02:e8:2b:7e:7a:a1:a3:9d:bd:f0:e7 <- is that the correct fingerprint? 11:57:02 <V453000> just asking ... not sure whether you arent insane enough to make lighthouses randomly spawn :D 11:57:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe I locked the key from Yexo? 11:58:05 <planetmaker> you didn't. 11:58:10 <Yexo> Ammler: the problem is that ssh is giving a shitload of warnings about a changed rsa key and doesn't want to connect 11:58:11 <planetmaker> Where again was our fingerprint list, Ammler ? 11:58:13 <Ammler> he should have full access already as the h2h server is there too 11:58:22 <Ammler> Yexo: we changed the server 11:58:24 <Yexo> so I removed the old keys, but want to check if this is the correct fingerprint before adding it 11:58:29 <Ammler> you need to update known_hosts 11:58:34 <Ammler> (new IP) 11:59:04 <Yexo> planetmaker: could you co a hg init in that directory for me? 11:59:09 <planetmaker> sure 11:59:20 <planetmaker> but if you clone the repo it's not needed. 11:59:27 <Ammler> 2048 c5:ac:5d:f1:1d:6f:a3:4a:7b:72:f9:0a:d9:ad:66:8c yexo_rsa2k.pub (RSA) 11:59:32 <planetmaker> as you did init on your place 11:59:41 <Yexo> ah, ok 11:59:42 <Ammler> Yexo: seems not 12:00:01 <planetmaker> Ammler, no, our server's ssh key 12:00:02 <planetmaker> not his 12:00:15 <Ammler> http://openttdcoop.googlepages.com 12:00:38 <Yexo> ok :) 12:00:41 <planetmaker> then it's the correct server, Yexo ^ 12:01:13 <Yexo> yep 12:01:17 <Yexo> and cloned the repo now too 12:01:47 <planetmaker> Do you want nightlies built 12:01:48 <planetmaker> ? 12:02:03 <Yexo> if possible, yes please 12:02:51 <planetmaker> does the repo already contain the Makefile(s)? 12:02:59 <Yexo> yes 12:03:09 <planetmaker> the old or the new version? ;-) 12:03:18 <Yexo> I copied it from firs 12:03:19 <planetmaker> I heavily modified them the last days. 12:03:29 <planetmaker> should be fine 12:03:35 <Ammler> Yexo: we need a target bundle_zip 12:03:56 <Ammler> ah ok 12:04:04 <planetmaker> Except firs (as all others except nutracks and the newgrf_makefile contain a bug currently :-P 12:04:36 <Yexo> oh :( 12:04:41 <Yexo> well it works fine locally 12:04:44 <Yexo> but I didn't test it much 12:04:56 <Yexo> ls 12:04:58 <planetmaker> Well. the nfo probably contains lines starting with '#' 12:05:07 <planetmaker> which need to be removed 12:05:27 <planetmaker> I forgot to add that grep -v '^#' in the preprocessing step 12:05:45 <planetmaker> but it's an easy fix 12:06:09 <planetmaker> and fixed already in two repos. And with the new system one can copy verbatim every makefile except the Makefile.config 12:06:14 <Yexo> there might be more problems with the nfo, renum doesn't know yet about action 11 12:06:15 <planetmaker> as they are meant to be the same 12:06:31 <planetmaker> yes, I know. But that *should* work, if one uses your anti-crash-fix 12:06:48 <planetmaker> which unfortunately is still not commited :-( 12:06:56 <Yexo> it does, but it means I get no useful errors about action 0 problems 12:07:06 <planetmaker> yes :S 12:07:30 <Ammler> maybe make a "special" renum-hack binary? 12:07:54 <planetmaker> anyway, you got the new Makefiles 12:07:59 <planetmaker> Let me commit the fix, shall I? 12:08:17 <Yexo> sure 12:09:27 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:10:23 <planetmaker> pushed 12:13:20 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/ <-- Yexo 12:13:31 <planetmaker> so it should work now 12:13:54 <Yexo> -r.zip ? no number? 12:14:08 <planetmaker> ups... 12:14:14 <planetmaker> another bug of mine :S 12:14:20 <planetmaker> gah... 12:15:06 <planetmaker> ok. That's my error, I'll fix it right now. But otherwise it works :-) 12:15:55 <Yexo> great, thanks again :) 12:16:56 <Ammler> also check the compile logs from time to time ;-) 12:17:12 <planetmaker> one " too much... 12:20:50 <planetmaker> Also fixed in r6 12:22:14 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 22: Fix [Makefile]: The number of quotation marks should be even <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/22> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 46: Fix: The number of quotation marks should be even <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/46> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 6: Fix [Makefile]: The number of quotation marks must be even <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/6> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 5: Fix [Makefile]: Lines starting with '#' need to be remov... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/5> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 4: Add: snowy version of small depot <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/4> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 3: Fix: readd the fences to the south-east of the small runway <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/3> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 2: Fix: north-east end of small runway had a few white pixels <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/2> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 1: Add: grahpics for the small airport runway <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/1> 12:23:04 <Ammler> pm, does the new Makefile framework support multiple grfs? 12:23:09 <planetmaker> yes 12:23:23 <planetmaker> that's why OpenGFX can use exactly the same thing, too 12:23:24 <Ammler> I should migrate my bash thing to make :-) 12:23:50 <planetmaker> The prerequisite is that a .pnfo file exists for every grf 12:24:07 <Yexo> are there 'sources' for the small airport grass tiles? ie tiles split in grass and the dirt on it? 12:24:11 <planetmaker> make blub.grf will search for blub.pnfo and build a grf based on it. 12:24:31 <planetmaker> Yexo, dunno really, sorry 12:24:42 <Ammler> Yexo: if it's from zephyris, mostly not 12:24:47 <Yexo> np, didn't expect there were any 12:24:57 <Ammler> the sources there are limited to the pcx 12:25:10 <Ammler> I don't ask anymore to upload the pngs :-) 12:25:32 <planetmaker> Yexo, so the first thing will be to use the new overlay possibilities? 12:25:39 <Yexo> yes 12:25:47 <planetmaker> re-using the default ground tiles with a bit of overlay? Nice :-) 12:25:55 <Ammler> but I am sure, if you ask Zephyris, he will give you the sources 12:25:59 <planetmaker> that is a concept sooo needed. 12:26:13 <planetmaker> As it gets rid of so many graphical "incompatibilities", I like it a lot 12:26:15 <Ammler> he just didn't get to upload it for no reason 12:28:22 <Ammler> easiest bulk upload would be btw. Torrents :-) 12:28:29 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/snow-airport.png <- this is the plan 12:28:36 <Yexo> but then for all airports 12:28:57 <planetmaker> Yexo, I'd improve that plan by removing the green at all ;-) 12:29:09 <Yexo> of course :) 12:29:42 <Yexo> and I don't like the north-east part of the snow on the hangar 12:32:18 <Ammler> Yexo: since you are manager on the devzone, you can create projects yourself, if you need to just do... 12:32:36 <Yexo> ok, thanks 12:33:14 <planetmaker> yup :-) Those who are manager can be considered to use it sensibly :-) 12:34:21 <Ammler> one important thing: the project identifier should be exactly spelled like the repo 12:34:51 <Yexo> I'll probably still ask for help even if I could techinally do it : 12:34:57 <planetmaker> :-) 12:35:18 <planetmaker> one thing we currently cannot automatise is to enable generation of nightlies 12:35:40 <planetmaker> or at least I know of no such script - which also needs to use another user than ottdc 12:36:05 <Ammler> ? 12:36:12 <planetmaker> bundles is in openttd 12:36:50 <planetmaker> I always su'ed to it and created the dirs which the CF assumes to put the generated files into 12:37:26 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager/wiki/HowToAddGRF2CompileFarm 12:37:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 47: Change: Report also the repo title and (if any) grf files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/47> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 7: Change: improve the snowy small depot a little bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/7> 12:37:32 <planetmaker> :-D 12:37:41 <planetmaker> Yet another documentation I didn't read, I guess :-P 12:38:21 <Ammler> oh, might it be possible, it doesn't create directories on the bundles user anymore? 12:38:26 <Ammler> that could be considered as bug 12:38:31 <planetmaker> I don't think it does 12:38:59 <planetmaker> of course I tried first without but got errors due to missing dirs 12:39:32 <Ammler> :-( 12:39:58 <planetmaker> It didn't occur to me that it was a bug, though... :-P 12:39:59 <Ammler> user ottdc has ssh access to user openttd 12:40:10 <planetmaker> hm... 12:40:21 <planetmaker> some dirs where of user hg, btw 12:40:25 <Ammler> but anyway, it "should" create those folders 12:40:35 <planetmaker> e.g. newgrf-makefile 12:40:40 <planetmaker> I chowned it. 12:40:55 <planetmaker> as I got write permission errors upon push 12:41:07 <Ammler> uh? 12:41:55 <planetmaker> s/where/were/ 12:43:09 <planetmaker> I *think* that was a remanent of when we experimented with introducing a new user for the hg repos. 12:43:19 <planetmaker> and newgrf_makefile was the one we played around with 12:43:37 <planetmaker> But I think we can safely forget about that idea. Not worth the trouble 12:43:53 <planetmaker> Never touch a running system ;-) 12:45:55 <Ammler> well, that might be the case we don't hurry in that case anymore, but I wouldn't forget it ;-) 12:46:07 <planetmaker> no, not forget :-) 12:46:13 <planetmaker> But luckily it seems not urgent ;-) 12:46:26 <Ammler> I don't like the user ottdc and the virtual subdomain mz 12:46:32 <planetmaker> Though ... if we want to be prepared, we should make sure it would work smoothly, if needed 12:46:52 <planetmaker> Well, mz should consequently be replaced by dev IMO 12:47:04 <planetmaker> I don't mind the user. It's like a general purpose one ;-) 12:47:31 <Ammler> a sep. user for hg repos wouldn't be that ugly :-) 12:47:54 <Ammler> ssh://hg@openttdcoop.org/myproject 12:48:28 <Ammler> or ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/myproject 12:49:15 <Ammler> and http://hg.openttdcoop.org/myproject 12:49:38 <planetmaker> don't introduce yet another (virtual) domain 12:49:42 <planetmaker> just use dev.openttdcoop 12:49:49 <planetmaker> hg@dev if you like 12:50:22 <Ammler> dev is redmine 12:50:27 <planetmaker> yes. exactly 12:50:37 <Ammler> that would need some redirect rules... 12:50:43 <planetmaker> why would you decouple it from the repos? 12:50:48 <Ammler> not manageable 12:51:19 <Yexo> at what time are the nightlies generated? 12:51:26 <planetmaker> 18:18h 12:51:27 <Ammler> 18:18 CEST 12:51:37 <planetmaker> Ammler, CET ;-) 12:51:43 <Ammler> of course :-P 12:51:54 <Ammler> Klugscheisser! 12:51:58 <planetmaker> pah! 12:52:02 <Ammler> :-D 12:52:08 <planetmaker> it's winter! we had snow yesterday (again)! 12:52:10 <planetmaker> ;-) 12:52:56 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 597: Update [Makefile]: makefile r47 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/597> || #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Closed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/772#change-2074> 12:53:00 <Ammler> we have almost no snow anymore 12:53:04 <Ammler> already spring here 12:53:38 <planetmaker> yes, here, too ;-) For about a week. Still there was snow falling yesterday and frost in the night 12:56:58 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 13:08:22 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 252: Update [Makefile]: makefile r47 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/252> 13:09:47 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:24:59 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:59:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 10: Add: climate dependent versions of the small airport bu... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/10> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 9: Fix: new tiles had a white line in the sprites <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/9> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 8: Add: climate independent versions of the middle 4 'grass... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/8> 15:02:52 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 15:15:06 <planetmaker> Yexo, concerning the airports: would you mind to supply a version already somewhen soon to bananas, maybe even with limited availability to one nightly version so that just for the joy it could be used / tested on our server? 15:15:14 <planetmaker> I don't mean now, but in principle ;-) 15:15:30 <Yexo> no problem at all 15:15:32 <planetmaker> I feel like I should prepare somewhen again a map for our server, thus I'm asking :-) 15:15:51 <Yexo> I've finished the small airport, it just misses snow on top of the small buildings 15:16:01 <planetmaker> ah :-) sweet 15:16:24 <Yexo> I was planning to create a forum topic tonight (after the nigthly is done), to ask some help with creating snowy buildilngs 15:16:34 <planetmaker> Would you want to upload it then or could I, say, just go for using the openttdcoop account for that? 15:16:53 <planetmaker> Rubi anyway could allow more than one person access, so it's not a principle problem, but... 15:17:00 <Yexo> using openttdcoop account is fine 15:17:03 <planetmaker> s/person/account/ 15:17:08 <planetmaker> ok, thanks :-) 15:17:19 <Yexo> although it'd be nice if multiple accounts could have access :) 15:17:31 <planetmaker> yeah, but only upon special request. 15:17:40 <planetmaker> Though you should have a high enough standing ;-) 15:18:49 <planetmaker> And... the openttdcoop account is somewhat know and not limited to one person only :-P 15:19:00 <planetmaker> (yes, I know it's not 100% cosher) 15:19:10 <Yexo> not a real problem I think 15:19:37 <Yexo> as long as it's not publicly-known 15:21:03 <DJNekkid> any news the last hrs? := 15:21:05 <DJNekkid> :) 15:21:16 <planetmaker> only a hand full of people know it / can access it. Ammler, me, FooBar, andythenorth, DJNekkid I think 15:21:25 <Yexo> that's fine 15:22:55 <DJNekkid> :D 15:23:46 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager <-- those 15:24:33 <Ammler> planetmaker: Group "Manager" 15:24:39 <planetmaker> thanks, I was looking for the link :-) 15:24:48 <planetmaker> I never find that page when I search for it... 15:24:55 <Rubidium> the wonders of 'Rubi could allow more access' :) 15:25:05 <DJNekkid> there, boost 1.33.x installed :D 15:25:07 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/users/4 15:25:07 <planetmaker> hehe ;-) 15:25:22 <Rubidium> depending on access to what I might be more lenient than access to some other stuff 15:25:24 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, 1.33? Why not a new 1.40 or so? 15:25:25 <Ammler> there should be listed all projects you are active 15:25:52 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: because "yum install boost" gave me 1.33 :) 15:26:06 <planetmaker> tsk. WAY outdated by several years 15:26:07 <Rubidium> e.g. access to the user account to upload compiled stuff to bundles.openttdcoop.org is tricky at least 15:26:20 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I made a special boost for CentOS 15:26:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: yes :-( 15:26:50 <DJNekkid> oh? 15:27:03 <planetmaker> Rubidium, uh? I don't get what you want to tell. 15:27:37 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/CentOS_5/ <-- DJNekkid 15:27:45 <Ammler> also nforenum would be there 15:27:48 <planetmaker> that using the bundles server is difficult? 15:27:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: releases 15:28:19 <planetmaker> hm, yes, could be improved, I guess :-) 15:28:27 <Ammler> indeed :-D 15:28:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, that giving Yexo write access via 'our' (as in OpenTTD's) openttdcoop account is covered with hurdles 15:28:44 <planetmaker> oh, that's not required 15:28:45 <DJNekkid> Ammler: r2304 with the feature-10 patch applied? 15:28:53 <planetmaker> he has his own key, so... no worries 15:29:01 <Ammler> DJNekkid: no, Yexo said, it is buggy 15:29:02 <planetmaker> he doesn't use root@openttd ;-) 15:29:05 <Yexo> Rubidium: that was never the intention 15:29:13 <planetmaker> ^ 15:30:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's likely he doesn't even know the DNS name of the main server (i.e. the IP of the main server) 15:30:02 <Yexo> Rubidium: it was just about who uploads a grf to bananas, planetmaker will upload it with the openttdcoop account, but then we said it would be nice if multiple accounts could manage one grf 15:30:08 <planetmaker> The only statement was "if needed, you could assign a 2nd bananas account to a single newgrf" ;-) 15:30:46 <Ammler> DJNekkid: but you could use the package openttd-devel-nforenum-boost to build renum on centos 15:30:51 <planetmaker> no other things planned or discussed :-) 15:31:06 <Rubidium> and the "fun" thing is, because of a messup of the ISP they are not even in the same range :) 15:31:14 <planetmaker> lol 15:31:26 <Rubidium> yes, security through obscurity-ish 15:31:44 <Yexo> but you're right, I don't know that ip (though I might be able to find out wiht help of some irc logs) 15:32:27 <Ammler> he, if we would use 2nd ip for our vserver, that wouldn't be in same range either 15:32:53 <Ammler> maybe for preventing bans, dunno. 15:35:11 <Rubidium> Yexo: if you've got access to my or TB's irc logs, then yes :) 15:35:34 <Rubidium> I think patchman knows the IP too 15:35:52 <Ammler> our ssh logs should have it too :-) 15:35:53 <Rubidium> oh, and orudge (he hosts the DNS) 15:36:59 <Ammler> no idea, how long they are saved... 15:50:12 <planetmaker> hehe. Yesterday our supreme court ruled the law which requires telecom companies to log all data for 6 months void ;-) 15:51:01 <planetmaker> and clearly stated that such data must be deleted immediately 15:51:18 <planetmaker> *all connection details data 17:11:37 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:27:28 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:45:54 *** Frankr has quit IRC 17:51:45 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 17:58:21 <Ammler> hehe, /etc as hg repo rocks :-) 17:58:55 <planetmaker> :-) 18:00:29 <Ammler> sh is linked to bash 18:00:43 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:00:43 <Ammler> but /etc/bashrc doesn't care about that 18:01:14 <Ammler> so you should define the shell for users to /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh 18:02:53 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:24:20 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest28 18:24:28 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:24:53 *** Guest28 has quit IRC 18:43:13 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 604: New Coding Table <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/604> 18:49:32 <DJNekkid> the airport .grfs readme is empty 19:06:07 <Frankr> DJNekkid 19:09:02 <DJNekkid> hi Frankr 19:09:42 <Frankr> hello 19:10:06 <Frankr> how did you get around the running cost problem, regarding the purchase list text 19:11:04 <Frankr> Giving the wrong information as the purchase list uses Action 0 running cost 19:16:42 <DJNekkid> not if you set the R/P-costs in a CB36 on the P-list sprite 19:19:23 *** Beardie has quit IRC 19:24:52 <DJNekkid> Frankr: http://paste.openttd.org/225131 19:40:32 <Frankr> But i have variable R/P costs 19:40:32 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 19:41:07 <Frankr> is it still possible then 19:42:05 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:51:01 <Yexo> <DJNekkid> the airport .grfs readme is empty <- I know, haven't got around to creating one 19:57:19 <DJNekkid> Frankr: ofcourse... 19:57:31 <DJNekkid> the point is what is shown in the purchase list isnt it? 19:57:53 <DJNekkid> Yexo: okidoki :) I just thought you perhaps had made an error :) 20:00:04 <DJNekkid> but also remember to add the P-cost to the general CB36... 20:00:20 <DJNekkid> as i suspect if you have something elsein the action0, that will probably override 20:00:28 <DJNekkid> i.e. a VERY low sellprice 20:02:14 *** Yexo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:05:18 <DJNekkid> how many of the openttd devs are actually dutch? 20:07:33 <Yexo_> Rubidium:, alberth, me, truebrain, matthijs 20:07:42 *** Yexo is now known as Guest47 20:07:42 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:09:04 *** Guest47 has quit IRC 20:12:17 <Frankr> ok thanks DJ 20:16:31 <DJNekkid> Yexo: out of how many? 20:16:34 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 605: Added PNG & PCX Malev Fokker F70 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/605> 20:16:36 <DJNekkid> around 10? 20:17:05 <Yexo> 16 listed on http://www.openttd.org/en/contact 20:17:09 <Yexo> but less active 20:17:15 <DJNekkid> oki :) 20:17:57 <Yexo> I'd say 13 active (but then I do count orudge, matthijs and truebrain) 20:18:53 <DJNekkid> oki :) 20:19:10 <DJNekkid> .not too bad guess then :) 20:25:00 <DJNekkid> .not too bad guess then :) 20:25:15 <DJNekkid> ehm, sorry about that... were supposed to be an "up->enter" in terminal :) 20:30:17 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:31:36 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Bug #767 (Assigned): Check & Update Speeds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/767#change-2075> 20:34:36 <DJNekkid> There... Planning tracks are added... 20:47:41 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 606: Minor Changes To New Coding Table <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/606> || Nutracks - Revision 24: Add: Planning-tracks. Costfactor and speedfactor 0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/24> || Nutracks - Revision 23: Change: MAGLEV is now a railtype in ids.pnfo <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/23> 20:53:53 <Yexo> DJNekkid: can you compile nforenum yourself if I suplly you with some patches? 20:54:01 <Hirundo> planning tracks... nice idea :) 21:24:07 <DJNekkid> Yexo: i suppose i can... 21:24:15 <DJNekkid> never tried to build one, but i sure can 21:25:50 <PeterT> why is it .pnfo? 21:26:11 <Yexo> DJNekkid: actually nvm that 21:26:25 <DJNekkid> 2306 includes feature 10 and 11 ? 21:26:30 <Yexo> updated renum data files (includes both newrailtypes and newgrf airport tiles) http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/renum.zip 21:26:47 <DJNekkid> i just downloaded/svn'ed 2306 21:26:58 <Yexo> last update is r2304 21:27:32 <DJNekkid> Checked out revision 2306. 21:27:38 <DJNekkid> ".." 21:27:39 <Yexo> r2305/r2306 are changes to ttdpatch code 21:27:46 <DJNekkid> oki... 21:28:12 <Yexo> if you use the latest renum nightly with the data files I uploaded above it should work 21:28:20 <DJNekkid> so i can put the content of that zip somewhere? 21:28:34 <Yexo> it's C:\Documents and Settings\username\.renum on my winxp machine 21:28:45 <Yexo> probably ~/.renum or something on linux 21:28:58 <Yexo> oh, you have to extract the zip 21:33:28 <DJNekkid> hm 21:33:37 <DJNekkid> now how do i show hidden folders in that linux browser... 21:33:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 609: Correct Flashing Tail on B737-300 Southwest (Gold) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/609> || World Airliners Set - Revision 608: Corrected Speeds on Old Coding Table <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/608> || World Airliners Set - Revision 607: New Coding Table Changes <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/607> 21:33:56 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:34:38 <Yexo> start a new browser from the console and give the path as argument 21:34:46 <DJNekkid> perhaps "view -> show hidden files" :) 21:35:59 <DJNekkid> well... bedtime for big and small kids now :) so off you go :P TTY tomorrow :) 22:12:19 *** Beardie has quit IRC 22:21:15 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 25: Add:Import modular makesystem scripts. 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