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00:40:40 *** OwenS has quit IRC 06:42:32 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:49:37 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #903: missing(?) sprites <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/903#change-2450> 08:05:00 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #662: Rework trains <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/662#change-2452> || OpenGFX - Feature #662: Rework trains <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/662#change-2451> 08:21:13 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 415: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of toyland maglev engine and wagons a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/415> || Redmine - Revision 3530: Refactor: Split IssuesController#new to #new and #create to match REST p... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3530> 09:09:51 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 416: Fix [#662]: Fix the alignment of the Ploddyphut properly and don't just u... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/416> 10:32:58 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:03:22 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:26:42 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:44:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 13:29:24 *** Paul2 is now known as BiggusDickus 13:29:39 *** BiggusDickus is now known as Paul 13:30:18 *** Paul is now known as Guest1002 14:33:36 *** Guest1002 is now known as Paul2 15:00:19 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:24:42 *** OwenS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:07:27 <DJNekkid> how the crap can i install wine? 17:07:49 <Ammler> yum install wine 17:08:25 <Ammler> DJNekkid: in general, everything is much easier on linux ;-) 17:08:57 <DJNekkid> i've tried that 17:09:01 <DJNekkid> and it cant find wine 17:09:16 <DJNekkid> and i've tried adding this or that repo to /etc/yum/something.conf 17:09:18 <DJNekkid> or something :) 17:09:35 <Ammler> but rpmforge is installed? 17:10:49 <DJNekkid> now that is a good question :) 17:11:24 <Ammler> centos is no distro for desktop, you know 17:11:31 <Ammler> I guess, I told you already :-P 17:12:52 <DJNekkid> yup... 17:12:57 <Ammler> next time, you should first ask here, then your rl mate 17:13:07 <DJNekkid> hehe 17:13:08 <DJNekkid> yup! 17:13:12 <Ammler> or ask your rl mate how to install wine :-P 17:13:28 <DJNekkid> if i were to ask you, what distro? :) 17:14:09 <Ammler> too late :-) 17:15:02 <Ammler> I use suse, doesn't mean it is best ;-) 17:15:18 <Ammler> but it is for sure better desktop distro 17:18:20 <DJNekkid> i honestly didnt think i needed it so much for a desktop, but apparelty i do :) 17:21:19 <DJNekkid> http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/wine/ 17:21:21 <Webster> Title: DAG: wine RPM packages for Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora (at dag.wieers.com) 17:21:21 <DJNekkid> i found that page 17:21:31 <DJNekkid> any suggestions? 17:21:43 <andythenorth> hi hi 17:22:42 <planetmaker> hello :-) 17:22:48 <SmatZ> hello :) 17:27:03 <Ammler> DJNekkid: [19:09] <Ammler> but rpmforge is installed? 17:27:26 <Ammler> it is (imo) the best 3rd party repo for rh/centos 17:28:00 <DJNekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/225709 17:28:05 <DJNekkid> seems so doesnt it? 17:29:49 <Ammler> http://packages.sw.be/wine/ 17:29:50 <Webster> Title: Index of /wine (at packages.sw.be) 17:31:29 <DJNekkid> bah 17:31:37 <DJNekkid> unable to reslove *alot* of dependencies 17:32:46 <Ammler> centos is such crap, even not possible to handle proper architecture (32 or 64 bit) 17:33:11 <Ammler> you might need to ask centos guys... 17:33:23 <Ammler> it is above my experience :-( 17:34:09 <Ammler> if you like yum, you might try Fedora 17:34:39 <DJNekkid> doesnt it have something similar? 17:35:01 <Ammler> yes, I assume so 17:35:04 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 418: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of Dash diesel train by using the 9/8 lengt... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/418> || OpenGFX - Revision 417: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of temperate wagons <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/417> 17:35:57 <Ammler> redhat, centos and fedora have some relations... 17:36:04 <DJNekkid> it seems so 17:36:16 <DJNekkid> its just that... 17:36:23 <DJNekkid> we need to get a server at work first 17:36:29 <DJNekkid> so i can have a running redmine 17:36:42 <DJNekkid> i dont dare to uninstall something on this 17:36:53 <DJNekkid> just to let that redmine DB get lost in the process 17:36:57 <Ammler> well, for a server only, centos isn't the worst :-) 17:36:57 <DJNekkid> someone would probably kill me 17:37:38 <Ammler> but for com, you could also buy SLE :-) 17:38:34 <DJNekkid> for com? 17:38:41 <Ammler> commercial 17:38:52 <DJNekkid> if centos works, i'll keep it :) 17:38:53 <DJNekkid> for them i mean 17:39:52 <Ammler> centos is like debian not really recommend for beginners 17:40:09 <Ammler> suse or redhat is :-) 17:42:45 <DJNekkid> i used redhat once! :D 17:45:55 <Ammler> oh, I would also recommend nginx for redmine... 17:50:10 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 774: merge <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/firs/repository/revisions/774> || OpenGFX - Revision 419: Fix [#662]: Move Manley Morel sprites to its own file and use the 9/8 ali... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/419> 18:01:30 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:05:16 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 339: Change: allow freight hovercraft to refit to mail <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/339> || FISH - Revision 338: Change: freight hovercraft default to Goods <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/338> || OpenGFX - Revision 420: Add [#662]: Add alignment template for 8/8 lengths engine sprites <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/420> 18:50:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 340: Change: correct offsets for Hovercraft Medium Freight <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/340> 19:06:13 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 421: Change [#662]: Alignment of maglev wagons <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/421> 19:17:35 <Ammler> why is that called MOLACE? 19:21:16 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 341: Change: correct offsets for Hovercraft Freight Large <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/341> 19:36:21 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 343: Change: set some stats for Hovercraft Freight Large <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/343> || FISH - Revision 342: Change: set some stats for Hovercraft Freight Medium <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/342> 19:46:54 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:48:23 <planetmaker> Ammler: that's the graphics artist 19:48:36 <planetmaker> And his sprite arangement so to speak 19:48:43 <planetmaker> within the file 19:49:19 <planetmaker> I didn't want to call it new new newwagons ;-) 20:18:58 <Ammler> no, I do not like the name in the temlate 20:20:56 <planetmaker> but template A and template B is less descriptive. 20:21:27 <planetmaker> and this way it's clear that it applies to the graphics drawn by him. 20:21:45 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 422: Change [#662]: Enlarge the height of the 8/8 graphics template by one pix... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/422> 20:23:29 <planetmaker> Better tell me where I should put the engine pcx template :-) 20:33:20 <Ammler> well, it isn't a template anymore :-P 20:33:30 <planetmaker> hm? 20:33:39 <planetmaker> why? 20:34:02 <Ammler> well, imo, the idea about a template is to reuse it 20:35:20 <planetmaker> that's what I do... I currently copy all engines to the template... 20:39:37 <planetmaker> the wagons are not worth that... at least now 20:43:46 <Ammler> mäh, I should help you instead of... 20:44:57 <Ammler> andythenorth: who are you fooling in #openttd? 20:46:00 <Ammler> oh, you are quoting.. 20:46:02 <andythenorth> Ammler: fooling myself 20:46:14 * andythenorth should sleep 20:46:18 <Ammler> :-) 20:46:55 <andythenorth> good night 20:47:07 <planetmaker> good night, andythenorth :-) 20:47:38 <planetmaker> may you sleep without interruption ;-) 21:30:24 *** GT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:37:14 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 423: Change [#662]: Unify alignment to a common base <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/423> 22:07:10 <GT> Does anyone know why opensfx is declared unstable at Gentoo packages, it's blocking emerge of openttd1.0.0 22:07:14 <GT> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "games-misc/opensfx" have been masked. 22:07:14 <GT> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: 22:07:14 <GT> - games-misc/opensfx-0.2.3 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) 22:08:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 424: Fix [#662]: Add all those forgotten PCX files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/424> 22:09:44 <planetmaker> GT: is it maybe a license issue? 22:10:12 <planetmaker> Also OpenTTD should not depend on OpenSFX. It works nicely without 22:10:20 <planetmaker> Only vice versa a dependency is sensible 22:12:44 <Ammler> Gentoo and commercial use? 22:13:08 <GT> agreed, but the dependency is present in the ebuild, dunno why 22:13:09 <GT> (dependency required by "games-simulation/openttd-1.0.0" [ebuild]) 22:13:13 <Ammler> can you buy gentoo cds? 22:13:21 <frosch123> gentoo recently got a "license" setting 22:13:44 <frosch123> but, yeah, i did not notice that there are grfcodec and nforenum ebuilds :o 22:14:12 <frosch123> GT: catcodec is also masked 22:14:28 <Ammler> tell them, they should use the binaries... 22:15:05 <Ammler> and include in openttd 22:15:08 <GT> Well, that a bit against Gentoo philosopy 22:15:11 <frosch123> and they patch cflags -> cxxflags :) didn't rb complain about that? 22:15:22 <SmatZ> GT: openttd-1.0.0 is ~arch too, isn't it? 22:15:50 <GT> No, it isn't, just blocked by opensfx 22:16:03 <SmatZ> that's what you get for mixing stable and unstable trees :-p 22:16:08 <SmatZ> KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86" 22:16:13 <SmatZ> synced today morning 22:16:21 <SmatZ> ok, maybe they updated it meanwhile :) 22:16:24 <Rubidium> GT: Gentoo is, in my opinion, which is purely based on what I see them doing w.r.t. OpenTTD, summed up in one word: incompetent 22:16:29 <frosch123> i synced two hours ago or so 22:17:08 <Rubidium> frosch123: actually, the don't patch config.lib; they just clear CFLAGS 22:17:13 <GT> Rubidium: correct, I usually compile myself, just noticed it in my last world update 22:18:57 <Rubidium> GT: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2005-2764 <- that's definitely an "origin" Gentoo CVE and they even don't get the versions it's broken in right 22:19:13 <Rubidium> (same for CVE-2005-2763) 22:20:10 <frosch123> openmsx is dual licensed gpl and sampling+ ? 22:20:19 <Rubidium> frosch123: yes 22:21:08 <frosch123> "An ambiguously named music replacement set for OpenTTD" :p 22:21:14 <planetmaker> :-D 22:21:20 <SmatZ> :-D 22:21:26 <SmatZ> openmsf ftw 22:21:30 <SmatZ> *openmsx 22:21:56 <Rubidium> all other sane distros called it openttd-open..x, but no... Gentoo must do it differently 22:22:17 <GT> Smatz: I stand corrected, openttd is masked too, I did not get to that point because of the opensfx dependency..:-( http://gentoo-portage.com/games-simulation/openttd 22:23:19 <SmatZ> GT: good :) 22:23:22 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 425: Add: Template pcx file for rail vehicles for length 8/8 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/425> 22:23:44 <SmatZ> USE=-openmedia could help, but... 22:24:55 <SmatZ> I am disappointed by the fact 0.7.3 is still unstable at amd64 22:25:10 <Rubidium> and they still haven't really told me why iconv is so fracking important for them 22:25:43 <Rubidium> guess they want to support filesystems that use some strange encoding 22:26:27 <Rubidium> although, why would iconv be needed? IIRC even smbfs does the filename encoding for you 22:26:43 <Ammler> gentoo is really silly, they even don't listen to the origin devs, suse simply applied my patch ;-) 22:27:37 <Rubidium> SmatZ: 0.7.3 is still stable I 'hope' 22:27:51 <Rubidium> and/or 0.7.5 is still unstable 22:28:11 <SmatZ> Rubidium: 0.7.5 for x86, 0.7.3 for amd64 :) 22:28:24 * SmatZ doesn't understand much that iconv topic, so... 22:29:01 <Ammler> but something the devs should like, they categorize it to simulation :-P 22:29:08 <planetmaker> strange guys those are :-) 22:29:12 <Rubidium> I do... it's just someone with de_DE.KOI8 or so and then it tries to parse those strings as KOI8 22:29:49 <SmatZ> :) 22:30:33 <SmatZ> [00:24:59] <SmatZ> I am disappointed by the fact 0.7.3 is still unstable at amd64 <== 0.7.3=>0.7.5 22:30:43 * SmatZ gone 22:30:44 <frosch123> [00:29] <Ammler> but something the devs should like, they categorize it to simulation :-P <- same as with lincity and simutrans 22:30:50 <GT> Well, I used to like Gentoo a lot, but I'm having more and more issues with it. I recently switched to KDE4, I tell you, not a nice experience 22:31:28 <frosch123> is kde4 less broken on other distros? 22:31:52 <GT> Apart from the fact that they manage to completely break my system on a recent xserver update, could not even use the keyboard 22:32:27 <GT> frosch: dont know, I only have a dual boot with windows 22:32:27 <frosch123> that is normal. when you emerge xorg-server it tells you to rebuild all driver modules, including keyboard driver 22:32:46 <Ammler> kde4 works quite nice since almost a year. 22:33:04 <Ammler> >4.2 22:33:24 <GT> when you install it clean, probably, but not when upgrading from kde 3 22:33:55 <frosch123> Ammler: i have problems like, konsole not being able to deal with the numpad. kate crashing sometimes after safe... 22:33:59 <Ammler> GT, that might depense on the distro :-P 22:34:00 <GT> only after removing all .kde dirs and settings it kind of worked 22:34:49 <frosch123> GT: you have to read the emerge messages :) 22:34:52 <planetmaker> frosch: kicker and kwin crash more often for me than kate ;-) 22:35:07 *** GT has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:35:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: you use a recent KDE? 22:35:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: i switched to xfce, so no kicker nor kwin 22:35:33 *** GT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:35:40 <planetmaker> Ammler: not quite :-) I need a more recent computer for that :-P 22:35:57 <planetmaker> KDE4 was really sluggish on that workplace machine 22:36:10 <GT> And what I really hate is the replacement of konqueror with dolphin 22:36:20 <frosch123> though i wonder whethed kate only crashed because i did not install any of the kde bug handling packages, which excludes me from support :p 22:36:29 <GT> imho it really sucks 22:37:10 <GT> And yeah, of course I can replace it, but why they decided to make it the default browser, beats me 22:38:03 <Ammler> maybe you should try Krusader 22:38:09 <Ammler> that is mc for KDE 22:38:29 <GT> may have a try, never used it myself 22:40:34 <Ammler> the only usage I have for Konqueror left is for manpages 22:41:29 <Ammler> Dolphin is nice 22:41:35 <GT> Kate never crashed on me, but then again, I dont use it very often because it used to be kind of slow on my previous, kind of old computer. I swithed to geany for editing, simple but fast and still using it 22:41:49 <GT> Dolphin is nice? 22:43:09 <GT> Like clicking on a tar and not being able to browse it? 22:43:30 <Ammler> you aren't? 22:43:42 <Ammler> hmm, you should maybe really use Krusader :-P 22:43:59 <GT> no, I am with konqueror, so it's not my system setup 22:45:13 <Ammler> no idea, it uses Ark here 22:47:45 <Ammler> how many clicks do you need to make Konqueror default file browser? 22:48:19 <Ammler> 4? 22:50:00 <Ammler> how do I sed the same file? 22:50:23 <Ammler> sed file > file doesn't work 22:53:08 <GT> Btw, shall I add the main repo for 32bpp-EZ again, or does the patch queue suffice? 22:54:31 <GT> Cause I think it is needed for a CF run, but then main repo could be combined with several other patches. 22:58:21 * frosch123 emerges geany 22:58:39 <GT> Ammler: sed -i replaces file inplace 23:02:02 <Ammler> GT, you should also consider making a branch applied to stable branch 23:04:17 <Rubidium> I don't know how well the CF works with branches 23:04:42 <Rubidium> nor am I 100% sure there aren't changes that don't break compatability 23:06:09 <GT> Ammler: I dont really need it, having the patch queue inplace, but it would be nice to have a Windows bin of the Ez-patch from time to time, 'cause its requested frequently, and I think the CF needs a complete repo 23:08:18 <GT> And I studied hooks recently, making me believe that it would not be too hard to maintain a main repo, when the patch repo is updated 23:37:05 <Ammler> Rubidium: the branch was meant for the patch itself, imo, it would make sense to have it with stables 23:38:16 <Ammler> (too) 23:41:14 <Ammler> he, isn't that strange? 23:41:43 <Ammler> if I configure apache to listen to port 88, I get a forbidden page 23:45:59 <Ammler> ok, seems like wildcard port doesn't work :-) 23:53:51 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 23:55:57 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 23:59:52 *** GT has left #openttdcoop.devzone