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01:36:01 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:45:06 *** thgergo has quit IRC 04:22:59 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123: Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2123#change-5464 04:24:01 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123 (Reopened): Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2123#change-5465 04:25:25 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2205#change-5466 07:30:52 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123: Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2123#change-5467 08:36:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2007#change-5471 10:18:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (New): Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2206 10:23:12 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2205#change-5472 10:25:59 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2163: Costar Fuel Cell Railcar (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2163#change-5473 10:46:46 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:30:43 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:56:33 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (Closed): Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2206 11:56:33 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (Closed): Purno's not a member to this project (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2206#change-5474 12:05:46 <V453000> DJNekkid: I have an idea regarding nutracks ... would it be possible to make the curve speeds vary with dependance on maximum speed of the tracks? 12:15:50 <planetmaker> The curve speed "advantage" can be set: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Railtypes#Curve_Speed_advantage_multiplier_11_ 12:16:21 <planetmaker> Yes, it's a good idea IMHO :-) 12:17:15 <V453000> I know it is, I saw it in action, but what I am wondering about is, if it could be relative ... as in, the nutracks have parametr-able speeds for the rails, so the curve speeds should be relative to the max speed I think :) 12:18:20 <planetmaker> yes, it can be relative 12:18:41 <planetmaker> it's "just" programming work :-P 12:19:02 <planetmaker> tedious one at that ;-) 12:19:23 <V453000> amazing :) 12:19:34 <V453000> would be nice thing to have :) 12:20:09 <planetmaker> but as the link describes: it can only be in multiples of the base curve speed given there 12:20:22 <planetmaker> so the scaling will be very coarse 12:21:24 <planetmaker> but having a difference between very low and high speed tracks makes definitely sense 12:21:51 <planetmaker> or at least can make sense ;-) 12:22:01 <planetmaker> from a game concept POV. 12:22:12 <planetmaker> "Realistic-minded" people probably will reject the idea 12:22:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: really? 12:22:51 <planetmaker> the curve radius doesn't change, does it? 12:22:54 <Rubidium> it'd be realistic if slow/heavy freight trains can't run on the high speed tracks 12:23:32 <Rubidium> not having slow trains on the tracks means they can be banking more in the corners and as such can have a higher curve speed 12:24:01 <Rubidium> that's the way it happens on most LGV in France, as such it's realistic! ;) 12:24:13 <planetmaker> That'd be an anti-safety feature. What if a fast train would need to stop there? 12:24:27 <planetmaker> The banking never must be such that it gets critical at any speed 12:24:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: they rarely stop at that place 12:25:15 <planetmaker> oh... I often enough heard something like "Wir sind auf freier Strecke zum Stehen gekommen wegen ... und unsere Weiterfahrt verzögert sich um wenige Minuten" 12:25:29 <planetmaker> Yes, especially in ICE trains 12:26:36 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but then they haven't signalled it right ;) 12:26:56 <Rubidium> and... where would the ICE train be waiting for? 12:27:03 <planetmaker> Well. Still it's a safety feature. One must not require a min. speed 12:27:29 <planetmaker> Mostly it was waiting at a construction side for the train in the opposite direction to pass on a one-way track 12:27:34 <planetmaker> *site 12:30:43 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:33:07 <Rubidium> apparantly there is track in Germany that has a 11.8 inch cant (difference between low and high rail) 12:33:59 <Rubidium> says http://zierke.com/shasta_route/pages/05curve-curve.html 12:34:00 <Webster> Title: Comparison of upgrades needs to recognize the difference in curve speeds (at zierke.com) 12:41:12 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206: Purno's not a member to this project (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2206#change-5475 12:42:35 <Rubidium> interestingly I find some data that would imply that the maximum cant (deficiency) for LGV is lower than for normal tracks, and the maxima for Germany and French normal tracks are the same 12:42:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207 (New): Regio Shuttle (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207 12:46:01 <planetmaker> he :-) 12:52:07 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:26:57 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 13:33:40 <DJ_Nekkid> suse 11.3 - take 5 - action 13:50:46 <Ammler> omg :-D 14:04:06 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5477 14:04:55 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206: Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2206#change-5478 14:07:04 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2007#change-5479 14:25:32 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5480 14:57:06 <DJ_Nekkid> my gawd 14:57:23 <DJ_Nekkid> it seems like it have stopped at "Loading drivers, configuring devices: _" 14:57:30 <DJ_Nekkid> at the reboot part of the install 15:03:40 <Rubidium> what distros/versions thereof have you tried already? 15:04:15 <DJ_Nekkid> opensuse 15:04:19 <DJ_Nekkid> currently 11.3 15:06:10 <Rubidium> so you've tried only opensuse? 15:06:37 <Rubidium> any reasons to stay with opensuse? 15:06:38 <DJ_Nekkid> fendora 14, but not with the onboard nic disabletd. i did get a new nic today 15:07:01 <DJ_Nekkid> fendora didnt want to work either 15:10:28 <Rubidium> you could try a Debian Squeeze live CD (or more DVD given the size) to see whether that has a chance to work 15:10:51 <Rubidium> but let me first try to see whether the live CD actually has a chance of booting 15:11:08 <DJ_Nekkid> i dont have a DVD drive on that computer 15:11:17 <DJ_Nekkid> nor DVD discs :) 15:11:50 <Rubidium> you do have CD? 15:11:57 <DJ_Nekkid> yes :) 15:12:05 <DJ_Nekkid> and a 2gb mem stick 15:12:33 <Rubidium> lets see what the "rescue" disk accomplished 15:14:32 <Rubidium> is the NIC RTL8169 based? 15:14:41 <DJ_Nekkid> it WAS 15:14:44 <DJ_Nekkid> but its no longer 15:14:52 <DJ_Nekkid> (its disabled in bios) 15:15:10 <DJ_Nekkid> nc3123 based 15:25:34 <Rubidium> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- try the netinst CD image; it does network configuration quite early in the install and needs it 15:25:35 <Webster> Title: Debian -- Debian-Installer (at www.debian.org) 15:26:05 <Rubidium> so it should trigger any issues quite early on, if it triggers those issues that is 15:27:46 <DJ_Nekkid> i removed some more stuff i the BIOS, so im gonna try this one more time, if not, i will :) 15:32:55 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: I told you yesterday already, that I don't believe the nic is your issue :-) 15:33:59 <Ammler> Rubidium: what kernel does squeeze use? 15:36:50 <Ammler> suse11.1 with .27 works, suse 11.2 with .31 doesn't so doesn't fedora, I am quite sure it is something with kernel 15:37:53 <dihedral> one of these days i'll find this "PEER" and reset HIS connection!! 15:38:27 <Rubidium> what's the LTS kernel? 15:38:28 <DJ_Nekkid> dihedral: in Norway Peer is actually a semi-common male name 15:39:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: a quite mutilated 2.6.32 15:39:41 <Ammler> then it would be interesting to see, if debian works :-) 15:39:43 <Rubidium> i.e. some DRM stuff from 2.6.35 and such 15:39:58 <dihedral> LTS = Long Time Support (at least with ubuntu) 15:40:52 <Rubidium> dihedral: there are LTS kernels as well 15:41:07 <dihedral> wow 15:41:08 <Rubidium> .16, .27, .32 are LTS kernels 15:41:28 <dihedral> i thought only even numbers were main releases :-P 15:42:02 <Rubidium> for x.y.z the y is even for main releases 15:42:19 <Rubidium> Linus releases 2.6.z 15:42:51 <Rubidium> then until (usually) z+1 backports are added as 2.6.z.p 15:43:14 <Rubidium> but... for .16, .27 and .32 the backports are added for a few years 15:43:21 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: as you installed suse the first time, it worked, what have you done to break it? 15:43:38 <Rubidium> it's generally a shared effort by the distros and kernels 15:43:53 <Ammler> it is quite strange, maybe you have a broken hardware 15:44:14 <DJ_Nekkid> most times it have worked to install and reboot 15:44:31 <DJ_Nekkid> but then then when i reboot again it hangs, and it used to be on the NIC 15:44:42 <Rubidium> i.e. a couple of distros say, lets sync the kernel version we're going to use for our release. Then they can share the effort of backporting fixes, which usually happens via the LTS official kernels 15:44:44 <DJ_Nekkid> that RTL8169 chip 15:45:42 <Ammler> that is a very common built in chip, we have that on our hetzner server too 15:45:57 <Ammler> well, in the meantime, we use a intel card 15:46:25 <Ammler> but that was because of troubles with XEN, which we don't use anymore :-) 15:46:41 <DJ_Nekkid> i dont even know what XEN is :D 15:47:26 <Ammler> XenServer in our case, a CentOS (or RHEL dunno) derivate to make vms 15:55:59 <DJ_Nekkid> anyway, i disabled ACPI in BIOS, hope that does something good :) 15:57:51 <Ammler> you might need to disable that also with grup: apci=off 15:58:22 <Ammler> acpi* 15:58:42 <Ammler> but if disabled with bios, it might work 16:17:48 <DJ_Nekkid> i wish i never had played any coop games 16:17:57 <DJ_Nekkid> i just cannot get myself to build 'good looking' networks 16:18:04 <DJ_Nekkid> i keep thinking efficiency all the time 16:20:52 <Ammler> he, nothing to do with coop 16:21:20 <Ammler> well, not with #openttdcoop 16:21:28 <Ammler> join the current ps game 16:21:37 <DJ_Nekkid> what happens there? 16:21:56 <Ammler> it always was 16:22:16 <Ammler> our efficient games mostly look also better 16:22:28 <DJ_Nekkid> in my head is efficiency the ultimate goal of #openttdcoop games 16:22:54 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:22:54 <DJ_Nekkid> yey, install is finsished 16:22:57 <Ammler> yes, one of the goals 16:22:58 <DJ_Nekkid> now for the ultimate test 16:23:04 <DJ_Nekkid> reboot a few times :D 16:23:11 <Ammler> which distro? 16:23:14 <DJ_Nekkid> 11.3 16:23:19 <Ammler> suse then 16:23:25 <DJ_Nekkid> aye 16:24:19 <DJ_Nekkid> i really liked suse... it had a nice GUI and all :D 16:24:31 <DJ_Nekkid> or that might be KDE, i dont know, but it sort of felt right 16:24:42 <DJ_Nekkid> reboot1 w/o any problem 16:24:51 <Ammler> yes, KDE rocks compared to GNOME 16:26:00 <DJ_Nekkid> 2nd reboot w/o any problems 16:26:04 <DJ_Nekkid> and it was REALLY fast as well 16:26:18 <Ammler> that is because of Kernel 16:26:42 <DJ_Nekkid> bioses on the different chips takes longer time then the actual loading of the OS 16:27:21 <DJ_Nekkid> and 3rd wo any problems 16:27:35 <DJ_Nekkid> i guess the next step would be zypper up 16:27:36 <Ammler> then the issue is acpi 16:27:40 <DJ_Nekkid> and the same process again 16:27:42 <Ammler> you can bring back the nic :-P 16:27:53 <Ammler> did you make the updates btw.? 16:27:56 <DJ_Nekkid> not yet 16:28:58 <DJ_Nekkid> doing that now 16:29:07 <DJ_Nekkid> *continue on my paxdest game* 16:31:44 <DJ_Nekkid> if this works as i hope it does i can then take out the PCI nic, and use the onboard one 16:32:07 <DJ_Nekkid> as that is 0,01/0,1/1 gb/s 16:32:28 <DJ_Nekkid> or gbps is probably the correct term 16:39:30 <Ammler> woth a try, as said, didn't find any issues with this card 16:41:14 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:42:50 *** LordAro has quit IRC 16:47:25 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:53:35 <DJ_Nekkid> and reboot after zypper up worked as well 16:54:13 <DJ_Nekkid> and reboot after zypper up worked as well ACPI-thingy (whatever that does) 16:55:40 <DJ_Nekkid> hg chat rollback :P 16:58:54 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: did you remove teh nic? 16:59:08 <DJ_Nekkid> not yet 17:00:19 <Ammler> would be nice if you add my repo, it is a kind of Factory repo for games 17:01:21 <DJ_Nekkid> witch was again? 17:01:35 <DJ_Nekkid> *need to write it down on a txt-file* 17:02:58 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/openSUSE_11.3/ 17:03:18 <Ammler> and set the prio number lower as packman 17:04:38 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5481 17:05:33 <DJ_Nekkid> i'll get to it after dinner :) 17:07:17 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2007#change-5483 17:18:47 <Brot6> heqs: update from r571 to r572 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r572 17:19:21 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r165 to r167 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r167 17:19:33 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r727), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1631), fish (ERROR r532), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), 17:19:33 <Brot6> narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (r1138), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671) 18:29:14 *** LordAro has quit IRC 18:37:03 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:46:08 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:03:12 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21917 to r21920 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21920 19:06:03 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:07:10 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21920 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21920 19:10:28 <DJ_Nekkid> Ammler: any idea how trivial the nomachine NX-server is to install compared to the FreeNX one? 19:10:40 <DJ_Nekkid> and is there any obvious advantages? 19:13:03 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:28:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:34:13 <Ammler> 3 rpms 19:34:21 <Ammler> no idea about FreeNX 19:34:40 <Ammler> DJNekkid: ^ 19:37:36 <DJNekkid> and they work "out of the box" ? : 19:37:37 <DJNekkid> :D 19:41:34 <Ammler> yes, they do 19:42:02 <Ammler> they need to, it is commercial product, would you pay for something which wouldn't? 19:43:01 <Ammler> is is limited to 2 users, but that should not be a issue for you :-) 19:43:43 <Ammler> if you like to run more users, you should use FreeNX or you need to pay 19:46:28 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:47:04 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: you wanna use our bouncer? 19:53:32 <DJ_Nekkid> how? 20:09:37 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:31:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:32:40 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5484 20:34:51 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2007#change-5485 20:46:40 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: by telling us yes and using bnc.openttdcoop.org instead oftc.net 20:47:02 <DJ_Nekkid> yes && /server bnc.openttdcoop.org :P 20:47:12 <Ammler> almost :-) 20:47:28 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 20:48:17 <Ammler> hmm 20:48:29 <Ammler> well, first I would need to tell you the pw :-P 20:48:30 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:48:37 <Ammler> [21:48] <Ammler> well, first I would need to tell you the pw 20:48:44 <DJ_Nekkid> lol 21:18:54 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:19:10 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 21:19:24 *** LordAro has quit IRC 21:22:09 *** Thomas has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:44 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:24:07 <DJNekkid> now thats nice :D 21:24:30 <Ammler> Hello DJNekkid :-) 21:24:32 *** Thomas has quit IRC 21:24:34 <Ammler> did you read the motd? 21:25:39 <DJNekkid> not yet 21:25:48 <DJNekkid> need to setup this client to a tad bigger letters... 21:29:47 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:49:10 *** LordAro has quit IRC 21:49:31 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:15:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 534:6f7a915d700a: Add: file for strings (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/6f7a915d700a 22:15:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 535:2b4941ac47dc: Change: basic progress on strings (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/2b4941ac47dc 22:16:17 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:17:05 <Brot6> fish: update from r526 to r535 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r535 22:18:38 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:23:09 *** LordAro has quit IRC 22:58:34 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:25:05 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: http://rbijker.net/openttd/nutracks.png 23:32:03 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: it's with beta3 so maybe it's already fixed 23:38:32 <V453000> :)