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01:10:42 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2995 (New): Applying for project: Vactrain Set (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2995 05:36:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:35:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2488:294a2fe19d53: Change #2986: Improve ground awarenes... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/294a2fe19d53 06:44:54 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest6549 06:44:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:46:37 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest6550 06:46:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:50:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:14:07 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:14:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:18:11 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:32:40 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:39:02 *** JVassie has quit IRC 07:52:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:14:04 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/vactrainset registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/vactrainset 08:14:04 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/vactrainset created 08:16:25 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2995 (Assigned): Applying for project: Vactrain Set (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2995 08:16:25 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2995 (Assigned): Applying for project: Vactrain Set (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2995#change-7545 08:33:39 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:35:12 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 09:01:28 *** FooBar has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:35:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 114:bf3790cae5bb: Add: Spritelayout generator to support spritelayou... (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/bf3790cae5bb 09:35:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 115:8303947843d6: Add: New graphics for tower and building3 (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/8303947843d6 09:35:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 116:fe073322e1cc: Fix: Spritelayout generator typo (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/fe073322e1cc 09:35:24 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 117:3e633e0de3ad: Codechange: Generate spritelayouts for four rotati... (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/3e633e0de3ad 09:35:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 118:275b2cd4a787: Fix: Typo in runway switches (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/275b2cd4a787 09:35:32 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 119:dfea57bf6550: Add: Graphics for runways in four rotations (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/dfea57bf6550 09:35:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 120:043bbf890dd3: Add: New graphics for building2 (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/043bbf890dd3 09:35:42 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 121:f6ea28097c62: Feature: Four rotations for commuter airport (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/f6ea28097c62 09:35:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 122:3e0f9e1268b4: Feature: Four rotations for international airport (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/3e0f9e1268b4 10:16:37 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Bug #2758 (Closed): ground under antenna on intercontinental should be apron ... (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2758#change-7546 10:17:00 <planetmaker> really busy :-) 10:19:25 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2489:33a94038b6b3: Cleanup: Remove outdated comment (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/33a94038b6b3 10:22:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:31:47 <andythenorth> planetmaker: any reason not to close #1782 10:31:47 <Brot6> andythenorth: planetmaker: #1782 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1782 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1782: Aluminium Plant needs snow graphics - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 10:31:50 <andythenorth> looks done to me 10:32:47 <planetmaker> I'd still split the ground snow from the building "small office" spritelayout 10:33:03 <planetmaker> but... "small office" might be a bit mis-leading. It has also two small silos 10:33:31 <planetmaker> But yes, it has snow graphics :-) 10:33:32 <andythenorth> I'll look 10:33:57 <andythenorth> ach 10:34:01 <planetmaker> maybe it should just use the same tracked snow ground as all others and no extra snow on the ground 10:34:03 <andythenorth> I can remove most of that ground snow 10:34:07 <planetmaker> yes 10:35:09 <andythenorth> under buildings - you used the base set snow tile, or the tracked snow ground? 10:35:22 * andythenorth remembers transparent mode :P 10:35:31 <andythenorth> yeah that looks fine 10:36:01 <andythenorth> so the snow around buildings is just needed to 'ground' them, I'll cut the excess off 10:41:53 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2490:728ebb79725b: Change: remove excess snow from Alumi... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/728ebb79725b 10:47:50 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1782 (Closed): Aluminium Plant needs snow graphics (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1782#change-7547 11:25:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so the recycling plant tile height is unfixed :) 11:25:44 <andythenorth> I'm going to sort the layouts anyway 11:26:06 <planetmaker> yes, it's unfixed 11:27:19 <planetmaker> ideal wäre eben: Festplatte klonen. Einen Klon upgraden und gucken ob alles läuft. 11:27:20 <andythenorth> well don't try to fix it in the next hour or so - or we'll have to merge ;P 11:27:35 <planetmaker> uhm.. . wrong channel. sorry 11:27:46 <andythenorth> meine deutsch ist nichts so gut 11:29:26 <planetmaker> was also completely different conversation. With dandan actually 11:36:04 <FooBar> andythenorth: planetmaker suggested to clone the hard drive, then upgrade the clone and check if everything works. Not that it matters, but there you go :P 11:36:36 <andythenorth> ? 11:36:40 <planetmaker> :-) 11:39:44 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:57:28 *** ODM has quit IRC 12:10:40 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:19:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2491:5dd3b3fe2101: Change: remove some snow from a tile ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5dd3b3fe2101 12:19:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2492:0d75773834d4: Change: copy some sprites from ogfx f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/0d75773834d4 12:44:39 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2996 (New): Split cargo label for Sugar Cane / Sugar Beet (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2996 13:10:32 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1626:b576615abc78: Fix: Ocean/canal speed fraction has an inverte... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/b576615abc78 13:10:53 <Hirundo> ^All that discussion on ship speed made my realize something :) 13:14:05 *** Zuu has quit IRC 13:23:24 <andythenorth> he 13:28:13 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1627:ca0aa350c36a: Fix (r1626): Also commit fixes to an applied m... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/ca0aa350c36a 13:47:01 <Hirundo> FooBar: Awesome work on the NML wiki, I just noticed :) 13:47:12 <FooBar> thanks! 13:47:25 <FooBar> also thanks to html2wiki 13:47:48 <FooBar> makes it a bit easier, but still all links need to be checked manually 13:49:33 <planetmaker> oh...! nice :-) 13:53:28 <planetmaker> hm, when did town properties and CB become implemented? 13:54:46 <FooBar> not? 13:55:31 <FooBar> or have they? 13:56:10 <FooBar> it's not in the documentation 13:56:53 <planetmaker> they seem to be 13:57:23 <planetmaker> I didn't know 14:04:42 <Hirundo> I don't know of any town stuff being implemented in NML 14:08:21 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1848: string codes (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1848#change-7548 14:35:25 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 153:68642f2e4cf8: - ... (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/68642f2e4cf8 14:37:08 <Ammler> we could replace the index.html page of the repo guide with a note, that doc has moved to wiki 14:37:21 <Ammler> and add redirct after some secs 14:39:15 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2987: glitch with food processor (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2987#change-7549 14:39:35 <Ammler> http://packages.python.org/nml/ <-- also this 14:39:36 <Webster> Title: NML documentation (at packages.python.org) 14:40:15 <Ammler> hmm, if we add a redirect, that should work there too 14:40:51 <Ammler> FooBar: is there also wiki2html? :-) 14:41:31 <FooBar> Yes, that's called "view source" in your browser ;) 14:42:09 <FooBar> But if you need something that can export the complete wiki into html files that are actually linked to each other... 14:42:27 <frosch123> Ammler: it is on or,dge's todo list :) 14:42:39 <FooBar> ... I came across some MediaWiki plugin that seemed it could do that on my search for the opposite. Don't have a link anymore though 14:42:55 <frosch123> iirc it's called dumphtml 14:43:09 <frosch123> but it is not easy to install for multiple wikis on same server or so 14:45:38 *** JVassie has quit IRC 14:47:57 <FooBar> anyways, I believe I now have the complete NML documentation on the wiki 14:48:06 <planetmaker> hm, must have been me, long ago, Hirundo :-) 14:48:21 <planetmaker> Though I actually think that some properties could be handled better... 14:48:50 <FooBar> I've also written a small manual of style, with some notes on the namespace and what html tags to contain examples and inline code in 14:50:17 <planetmaker> i.e. I'm not 100% convinced the acceptance properties are solved in an ideal way 14:52:45 <andythenorth> #2987 - that's probably improved 14:52:45 <Brot6> andythenorth: #2987 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2987 "OpenGFX - Bug #2987: glitch with food processor - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 15:00:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2493:c9b302cedab3: Change: improved source graphics for ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/c9b302cedab3 15:00:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: in case you are bored ^ :P 15:00:53 * andythenorth is avoiding slicing + coding today :P 15:01:06 <andythenorth> that will have to stop I guess 15:09:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2494:21c5cdd90eca: Change: tidied source graphics for Re... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/21c5cdd90eca 15:11:51 <Hirundo> planetmaker: Town != house 15:13:41 <planetmaker> :-) 15:13:44 <planetmaker> quite 15:14:04 <planetmaker> I meant house, though. sorry 15:36:12 <FooBar> how's something like these as means of navigation on the NML pages: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/User:FooBar/NMLTemplates 15:36:13 <Webster> Title: User:FooBar/NMLTemplates - GRFSpecs (at newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net) 15:41:24 <planetmaker> yes, that might be nice. Please go right ahead, FooBar :-) 15:41:48 <FooBar> Ok, then I'll go right ahead! 15:48:29 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:04:13 <frosch123> Hirundo: is there still some interest in fs#4738? 16:04:27 <frosch123> or should it rather wait until someone really needs it? 16:04:32 <frosch123> ("force" that is) 16:07:17 <Hirundo> I'd wait until it is requested (if ever) 16:08:45 <Hirundo> I started writing the patch for the long format dates, the force/power stuff was something I noticed while working on it 16:09:07 <planetmaker> <3 long format dates :-) 16:09:24 <Hirundo> height and such aren't done either 16:09:44 <frosch123> height would be just as troublesome :p 16:10:12 <Hirundo> I was looking at the string codes in NML and I thought "well, long format dates might be useful for FIRS" 16:10:34 <planetmaker> they are ;-) 16:11:16 <planetmaker> and quite good that it comes now... FIRS anyway needs currently like bleeding edge OpenTTD and NML 16:11:21 <planetmaker> everyday something new :-) 16:58:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can you pull FIRS? 16:59:28 <planetmaker> yes, why? 17:01:30 <andythenorth> abort: no suitable response from remote hg! 17:01:49 <planetmaker> works for me 17:02:25 <planetmaker> hg/hgrc 17:02:25 <planetmaker> [paths] 17:02:25 <planetmaker> default = http://hg.openttdcoop.org/firs 17:02:30 <planetmaker> ^ you have that? 17:02:45 <andythenorth> no 17:02:47 <planetmaker> first line should creat cat .hg/hgrc 17:02:48 <andythenorth> default = ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/firs 17:03:08 <planetmaker> well... if http works, ssh should work, too 17:03:19 <planetmaker> yup 17:03:26 <planetmaker> reachable as well 17:03:52 <andythenorth> dns? 17:06:06 <planetmaker> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/dev.openttdcoop.org 17:06:28 <planetmaker> same with mz... 17:06:59 <Ammler> mz does indeed not work 17:07:12 <Ammler> but how is that possible? 17:07:25 <Ammler> ssh does not care about domainname 17:08:09 <Ammler> ah 17:08:16 <Ammler> no :-) 17:08:19 <planetmaker> hm... mz works for me :-) 17:08:47 <V453000> evening :p 17:09:07 <Ammler> planetmaker: with ssh? 17:09:18 <planetmaker> my push attempt succeeded 17:09:26 <planetmaker> and firs is configured to push via ssh for me 17:09:34 <Ammler> to mz? 17:09:36 <planetmaker> yup 17:09:40 <andythenorth> I push over https 17:09:45 <andythenorth> I haven't tried push because I can't pull 17:09:54 <planetmaker> default-push = ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/firs 17:10:06 <Ammler> well, you don't need to use push and pull 17:10:10 <Ammler> just use in and out :-) 17:10:28 <andythenorth> mz.openttdcoop.org times out for me 17:11:01 <planetmaker> ping does 17:11:37 <planetmaker> but http is up for me 17:11:44 <Brot6> nml: update from r1625 to r1627 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1627 17:12:49 <andythenorth> I should change the path I pull from? 17:12:53 <andythenorth> or should this be fixed? 17:13:05 <planetmaker> your path seems ok 17:13:19 <planetmaker> it just requires authentication while the one I posted doesn't 17:13:33 <Ammler> hmm, dns could be an issue 17:14:38 <Ammler> no, also ok 17:14:52 <Ammler> andythenorth: but just another host then 17:14:57 <Ammler> hg for example 17:15:32 <andythenorth> hmm 17:15:33 <andythenorth> remote: Illegal repository '/home/hg/hg-repos/firs' 17:15:44 <Ammler> oh 17:16:22 <planetmaker> eh? 17:17:09 <Ammler> andythenorth: try again 17:17:11 <andythenorth> appears to be FIRS only 17:17:18 <andythenorth> now fixed :) 17:17:37 <Ammler> I had same issue with /home/hg/repo os I changed it 17:17:49 <Ammler> wasn't aware that people still use hg-repos :-) 17:18:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2495:263984f06af5: Change: improved source graphics for ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/263984f06af5 17:18:31 <planetmaker> Ammler: I guess most of my configs use that ;-) 17:20:16 <Brot6> firs: update from r2486 to r2494 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r2494 17:22:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2413: Improve Sugar Refinery graphics + layouts (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2413#change-7551 17:22:44 <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r112 to r122 done (2 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r122 17:22:45 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: ogfx-trains (r251), narvs (ERROR r38), bros (r52), ogfx-industries (r122), opengfx (r727), ailib-tile (r16), foobarstramtracks (r23), transrapidtrackset (r28), 2cctrainset (r750), cets (r126), ailib-list (r32), opensfx (r97), ttdviewer (r34), worldairlinersset (r672), heqs (r639), openmsx (r97), basecosts (r25), nutracks (r208), nml (r1627), water-features (r51), 32bpp-extra (r40), manindu 17:22:45 <Brot6> (r7), newgrf_makefile (r305), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-common (r21), snowlinemod (r49), dutchtramset (r87), ai-admiralai (r75), swisstowns (r22), metrotrackset (r56), dutchroadfurniture (r12), spanishtowns (r10), frenchtowns (r6), grfpack (r279), ogfx-rv (r109), fish (r684), ogfx-landscape (r78), ttrs (r36), ogfx-trees (r51), swedishrails (r205), grfcodec (r833), ai-aroai (r39), german-townnames (r34), smts (r19), chips (r143), 17:22:49 <Brot6> belarusiantowns (r8), indonesiantowns (r41), ailib-string (r29), comic-houses (r71) 17:24:07 <Brot6> narvs: compile of r38 still failed (#2983) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/nightlies/ERROR/r38 17:28:11 <andythenorth> hmm 17:28:26 * andythenorth has been using other tickets as way to avoid slicing stuff 17:28:30 <andythenorth> and now I've run out :( 17:44:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2997 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2997 17:45:11 <planetmaker> uhm? 17:45:40 <planetmaker> ach... invalid :S 17:45:48 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #2998 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2998 17:45:48 <Brot6> German town names - Bug #2999 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2999 17:45:48 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Bug #3000 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3000 17:45:53 <planetmaker> alll invalid 17:46:17 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains, ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 747), foobarstramtracks, cets (436 warnings) (Diffsize: 462), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile, dutchtramset, swisstowns, dutchroadfurniture, spanishtowns (Diffsize: 2), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv 17:46:24 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Bug #3001 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3001 17:51:40 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:20:15 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:25:05 <Hirundo> was the eGRVTS power bug ever fixed in some version? 18:25:10 <planetmaker> nope 18:25:57 *** JVassie has quit IRC 18:26:13 <planetmaker> convince yexo to convert it to NML... 18:26:25 <Hirundo> Even nfo sources would do for a quick fix 18:27:20 <Hirundo> Assuming that Zephyris uses somewhat sane, commented nfo, that is 18:27:50 <andythenorth> Hirundo: we have the nfo 18:28:06 <andythenorth> I can send you the comment from zeph 18:28:23 <andythenorth> "just decomp it - I write nfo all on one line with no comments, so it's the same as source" 18:28:29 <andythenorth> :P 18:28:36 <andythenorth> nml conversion ftw 18:28:47 <Hirundo> I just read it 18:28:52 <Hirundo> :S 18:29:11 <planetmaker> Seems I don't have the source. Might be it doesn't exist (anymore). But you'll have to ask, maybe it does 18:29:20 <andythenorth> by using grf2html it's actually ok to edit uncommented nfo 18:29:26 <Hirundo> I could grep and grf2html my way around it indeed 18:29:58 <Hirundo> Or, enable realistic acceleration after horse-drawn vehicles are phased out and HEQS comes in 18:30:12 <andythenorth> that is indeed less work 18:30:14 <andythenorth> but lame :P 18:30:32 <andythenorth> horses may justify their own set 18:30:47 <andythenorth> [says the person who is cramming all vehicle types into HEQS] :P 18:31:10 <frosch123> including rail vehicles :p 18:31:27 <andythenorth> horse trains? 18:31:38 * andythenorth suspects that's valid 18:31:43 <andythenorth> should I just add them to HEQS? 18:31:52 <andythenorth> horse = heavy equipment? 18:31:58 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 18:32:03 <Hirundo> it's not exactly heavy eq... that's what I was gonna say :) 18:32:30 <frosch123> armored horses might count as such 18:32:46 <planetmaker> http://www.google.com/search?q=belgisches+kaltblut <-- heavy equipment < 1870 18:32:47 <Webster> Title: belgisches kaltblut - Google Search (at www.google.com) 18:33:24 <frosch123> planetmaker: how many hp? 18:33:30 <planetmaker> not the fragile horse type around nowadays for dressage and jumps 18:33:38 <planetmaker> frosch123: up to two on short term 18:33:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: 1 of course 18:34:09 <andythenorth> planetmaker: the builders yard is now a lawn :) 18:34:11 <andythenorth> with mud tracks 18:34:16 <andythenorth> intended 18:34:17 <andythenorth> ? 18:34:31 <planetmaker> yes. And I asked you ;-) 18:34:40 <andythenorth> I don't hate it 18:34:40 <planetmaker> and you confirmed ;-) 18:34:44 <andythenorth> but I find it amusing 18:35:02 <planetmaker> draw more mud, if you like 18:35:10 <planetmaker> I find it fits well 18:35:21 <andythenorth> leave it for now 18:35:26 <andythenorth> if it bugs me I'll swap it 18:35:35 <Hirundo> any ETA for the supplies rework? 18:35:39 <planetmaker> swap? Just put more mud 18:35:53 <planetmaker> Hirundo: if I do it: 4 to 8 week range 18:36:09 <planetmaker> I won't commit to earlier 18:37:10 <andythenorth> at least that long 18:37:20 <andythenorth> there is plenty else to do 18:38:16 <planetmaker> yup, at least that long :-) 18:38:44 <planetmaker> you got special need for that, Hirundo? 18:39:47 <Hirundo> If it was 4 to 8 days I'd wait for it :) 18:40:04 <andythenorth> you using nightly FIRS? 18:41:14 <planetmaker> ah... FooBar... I'm not sure we should invite the general public that openly to start editing the _specs_ wiki 18:41:59 <FooBar> well, they still can, but I guess you're right 18:42:18 <planetmaker> yes, they can. But those who do, should know what they write about in the specs wiki. 18:42:19 * FooBar undoes 18:42:27 <planetmaker> The general public better adds tutorials in the tt-wiki ;-) 18:42:37 <planetmaker> or examples or... :-) 18:43:19 <planetmaker> And indeed it's intended that they can. Like the NewGRF wiki has also always been open to edits by anyone basically... 18:44:01 <FooBar> on second thought I completely agree with you 18:44:07 <Hirundo> andythenorth: I'm doing preparations to actually play a game with nightly FIRS, yes, but it's probably not gonna happen that soon 18:44:14 <FooBar> I removed the 'invite' from my post 18:44:19 <planetmaker> :-) 18:44:26 <andythenorth> Hirundo: if I can be arsed, I am about to break savegames 18:44:27 <FooBar> Also, there's now a link to the tutorial at tt-wiki 18:44:34 <planetmaker> :-) great 18:44:58 <FooBar> I mean in the navigation bar in the documentation, not in my post :) 18:46:07 <Hirundo> andythenorth: by all means go ahead 18:46:16 <andythenorth> thanks 18:46:20 <andythenorth> now I just have to be arsed :P 18:46:40 <andythenorth> FooBar: fancy slicing some psds for FIRS? 18:46:52 <andythenorth> (first can I be arsed to ask someone else to do it) :P 18:57:47 <frosch123> shall i break the tto conversion set? 18:58:23 <andythenorth> sounds like fun 19:00:13 <Ammler> FooBar: do you know the nice examples in nml source, maybe those could also be helful for wiki/tut 19:03:30 <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r22805 still failed (#2964) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/ERROR/r22805 19:06:42 <planetmaker> frosch123: how would you do that? 19:07:43 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:08:01 <frosch123> by making action1 with numsets==0 invalid as stated in the specs 19:08:21 <frosch123> (and then using that to identify extended action1 ) 19:08:45 <Brot6> openttd-vehiclevars: update from r22772 to r22805 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/openttd-vehiclevars/testing/r22805 19:10:32 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22805 still failed (#2966) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r22805 19:11:59 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r22805 still failed (#2446) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r22805 19:20:45 <andythenorth> frosch123: is tto conversion open sourced? 19:21:08 <frosch123> no idea 19:21:17 <frosch123> it's damn old, so likely not 19:21:39 <andythenorth> sucks to be them in that case 19:21:44 <frosch123> anyway, in case someone would want to fix it, it would only be changing a 00 to a 01 :p 19:22:10 <andythenorth> we should start deliberately breaking all non-open-sourced grfs 19:22:12 <andythenorth> as a lesson :P 19:22:48 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/extact1/ <- anyway, should work 19:24:27 <Rubidium> yep, just break it ;) 19:24:58 <Rubidium> if spec (more or less explicitly) says it's broken, then by all means they can't blame us for breaking their stuff 19:26:23 <andythenorth> how many newgrfs have you ever broken? Besides HEQS :P 19:26:40 <Rubidium> frosch123? At least 3 19:28:02 <Rubidium> oh, if I read the specs right it's perfectly fine to use num-sets = 0, as long as you don't add any real sprites after it 19:29:01 <frosch123> Rubidium: only num-ents = 0 is allowed 19:29:06 <frosch123> num-sets may not be 0 19:29:44 <Rubidium> The block of data that always follows after action 01 should consist of num-sets * num-ent RealSprites. 19:30:54 <Rubidium> but maybe I'm reading it slightly pedantic 19:30:57 *** JVassie has quit IRC 19:31:28 <frosch123> hm, maybe it is not explcitily forbidden, but it does not define any valid sets, so it is superfluous 19:31:49 <frosch123> the alternative to breaking tto conversion is to check the spritelength, and just ignore the action1 19:32:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: and yes, i broke all grfs which claimed to be of version 0 or 1 in action 8 19:32:58 <andythenorth> good :) 19:42:17 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:45:11 <planetmaker> I think I didn't yet quite understand extended action1 :-) 19:45:27 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:50:38 *** JVassie has quit IRC 19:50:39 <frosch123> planetmaker: it basically allows to reference any spriteset from any place in the grf 19:50:55 <frosch123> while mixing spritesets of different spritecount 19:54:12 <planetmaker> hm, our FIRS sprite layouts might profit a lot from it 19:54:26 * planetmaker just finished reading the related wiki page :-) 19:55:21 <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2978: The Arc Train (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2978#change-7554 19:55:39 <V453000> pm: is it a bit better? looks fine to me, but ... :) 19:56:14 <V453000> ... in compare to http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=148207 19:59:20 <planetmaker> V453000: the highlight pixels are just at the front. The light direction would rather indicate they're slightly upward 19:59:28 <planetmaker> speaking of the -- view 20:01:14 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 20:09:40 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 20:10:16 <V453000> mhm :) connection died without telling me :d 20:10:38 <V453000> pm: should the highlight pixels be lower then? I feel like putting them higher makes it "more side view" 20:10:59 <V453000> or is this "too top view" and should the highlighted pixels be lower? 20:11:38 <planetmaker> lower? 20:11:48 <planetmaker> no, rather higher as the light comes from above. Not the side 20:12:10 <V453000> true :) 20:12:32 <V453000> this weird "U" shape is a pain :-D 20:17:45 <Yexo> good evening 20:18:05 <V453000> hi Yexo :) 20:19:10 <Yexo> FooBar: thanks for your efforts in moving the NML spec to the wiki :) 20:19:28 <Yexo> hello V453000 20:19:36 <planetmaker> hello Yexo :-) 20:19:54 <Yexo> Hirundo / planetmaker: do you seriously want to convert eGRVTS to nml? (I have no clue if it's still maintained and if so, who does that) 20:20:10 <andythenorth> it's not maintained 20:20:13 <andythenorth> zeph is busy 20:20:24 <andythenorth> and it *might* be a good idea to move it to nml 20:20:27 <planetmaker> Yexo: it's Zephyris' newgrf. He has somewhat plans to somewhen continue it. But it's not really maintained 20:20:33 <planetmaker> and he'd be fine, if it was updated 20:20:34 <andythenorth> or merge it with opengfx+ or somesuch 20:20:52 <Yexo> imo eGRVTS does not belong in opengfx+ 20:20:56 <planetmaker> But _I_ do not have the intention of updating it. Not that I don't like it. But I feel somewhat overcommited on projects anyway 20:21:08 <Yexo> I can understand that ;) 20:21:31 <planetmaker> :-) 20:23:35 <andythenorth> moi aussi 20:23:58 <V453000> ich auch :p 20:24:32 <Yexo> mimi pia ;) 20:33:06 <Yexo> @logs 20:33:07 <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer - http://webster.openttdcoop.org/ 20:33:33 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:38:05 <FooBar> andythenorth: (slicing psds) I actually have visitors at the moment; maybe tomorrow if there's time 20:38:11 <andythenorth> :) 20:38:18 <andythenorth> or I'll get bored and do it :P 20:38:31 <andythenorth> there are tickets for it - in the 0.7 milestone ;) 20:39:14 <FooBar> ok, I'll check those tickets then and assign them whenever I start on something 20:41:04 <FooBar> Ammler: I was considering making dutch tram set into a tutorial example. Then I actually have a reason to rebuild the callbacks in the new format. The NML docs don't really have suitable tutorial examples (too short). The examples within the NML source are probably all tutorial material. 20:43:08 <Yexo> FooBar: the NML docs where never meant to have tutorial examples, just very small examples to show the syntax 20:43:18 <FooBar> Yexo: you're welcome. Having the nml docs in wiki form is actually useful for me too. Sometimes I see a typo and cannot be bothered to make a ticket for it; now I can just fix it myself. 20:43:41 <FooBar> hmm, that's unfortunate, the you're welcome was a reply to your previous highlight :) 20:43:59 <Yexo> I got that :) 20:44:03 <Yexo> and yes, it's very useful 20:44:58 <FooBar> anyways, I understand that the NML docs need not have a tutorial built-in (that would only make it less usable), but the separate examples in the nml source can be used for a nml tutorial at tt-wiki 20:45:20 <FooBar> that would be a separate tutorial then, not integrated in the documentation 20:46:38 <Yexo> that would be perfect :) 20:54:35 <andythenorth> 'tis time for bed? 20:55:52 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:13:57 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 21:37:43 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Feature #2991: Use cargo_age_period with refrigerated trucks (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2991#change-7556 21:40:35 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:16:34 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Feature #2991: Use cargo_age_period with refrigerated trucks (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2991#change-7557 22:42:39 *** FooBar has quit IRC