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00:26:39 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 182:27affba92806: - Reserve money for building another wagon (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/27affba92806 00:26:39 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 183:aa2df5d72e5c: - Change AIBridge.IsBridgeTile to cBridge.IsBridgeTile to... (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/aa2df5d72e5c 00:26:39 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 184:4ba51b86a360: - Remove the buggy test to see if we have money to buy a ... (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/4ba51b86a360 00:26:41 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 185:3de21a9b7329: - Remove blacklisted tiles when creating a train station (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/3de21a9b7329 02:53:58 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3024 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3024#change-7715 02:54:50 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2924#change-7716 02:58:58 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2924#change-7717 03:00:40 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2924#change-7717 03:03:25 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2924#change-7717 05:51:32 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 252:a3dbcef2be1d: Add: Preliminary support for FIRS sugar cane and sug... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/a3dbcef2be1d 07:42:54 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:47:37 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:54:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:03:18 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Revision 84:275c45008c8d: Add: Russian translation (akasoft) (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/revisions/275c45008c8d 08:32:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Revision 85:2207df50c8cf: Add: German translation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/revisions/2207df50c8cf 08:46:33 <Ammler> planetmaker: you should add the check_language from firs ;-) 08:46:48 <Ammler> it should work on every nml project 08:46:50 <planetmaker> indeed 08:47:22 <Ammler> at least, we would know it then 08:48:34 <planetmaker> hm... maybe it should become part of the newgrf framework 08:48:53 <Ammler> I hope so :-9 08:49:22 <Terkhen> I meant that script just as a hacky placeholder until something better comes :P 08:49:38 <planetmaker> you know how long provisional things continue to exist? 08:49:44 <planetmaker> :-D 08:49:46 <Ammler> didn't alberth mention a python improvement? 08:50:21 <andythenorth> so...how do I configure fences? 08:50:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth: look at one of the industries which have, e.g. lime kiln 08:51:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: as first you should add it to another nml project with languages so we see it works cross project... 08:51:03 <Terkhen> once they are "official", they continue forever :) 08:51:28 <planetmaker> the general fence things are hooked directly from the call of the graphics, before any other decision 08:51:37 <planetmaker> (additionally to using the fence layouts) 08:51:58 <planetmaker> just look at one of the commits where I added it to an industry... should be self-explaining then 08:52:10 <planetmaker> hg export xyz 08:52:14 <planetmaker> with xyz the revision 08:52:49 <planetmaker> like hg export 2547 08:52:58 <planetmaker> which adds them to dairy 08:53:23 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/43d6e90b0caf/diff/sprites/nml/industries/bauxite_mine.pnml 08:54:00 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/f6dbcd83d4f0/diff/sprites/nml/industries/lime_kiln.pnml <-- better 08:54:35 <planetmaker> important are the lines 83...86 and 104 08:54:47 <planetmaker> which you probably missed yesterday 08:55:23 <planetmaker> the uppermost fence macro then links to the next sprite layout decision switch 08:55:37 <planetmaker> which was previously linked directy by the graphics 08:57:47 <planetmaker> also read that commit bottom up 08:57:54 <planetmaker> then the links will become clear(er) 09:06:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:06:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:20:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so I'm trying to add fences to metal foundry 09:20:28 <andythenorth> but it misses spritelayout in the format of the lime kiln diff 09:20:59 <planetmaker> look at the bauxite mine's one 09:21:04 <planetmaker> It has "normal" spritelayouts 09:21:20 <planetmaker> make sure the northern fence macros are added before building sprites, the southern ones after 09:21:23 <planetmaker> (below) 09:29:34 <andythenorth> maybe I should stick to drawing things :P 09:30:39 <planetmaker> uhm... :-) 09:31:11 <planetmaker> dunno, what's difficult about fences? I really don't know how to explain really more than those revisions I committed 09:31:23 <planetmaker> you'll have to explain what is not understandable to you 09:37:27 <andythenorth> I just lack patience 09:37:48 <andythenorth> nml looks to me like nfo must look to other people 09:37:49 <andythenorth> magical 09:38:34 <planetmaker> the issue you mostly face is: you're faced with gcc templates and NML at the same time 09:39:08 <planetmaker> and the current templates used are working differently than the one used with nfo. And are sometimes even more powerful 09:39:43 <planetmaker> the whole thing related to fences is 98% gcc templating and only 2% nml 09:39:54 <andythenorth> the issue I face is I'm lazy :P 09:46:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm going to try adding basements / ground tile detail 09:46:27 <andythenorth> fences defeat me 09:46:41 <planetmaker> he... 09:46:51 <planetmaker> really, what don't you understand? 09:46:56 <planetmaker> It's just adding a few lines... 09:47:10 <planetmaker> and changing the graphics templates... 09:58:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2572:ac0e7a155983: Change: prepare Grain Mill for additi... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ac0e7a155983 10:23:05 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:46:50 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2573:563120cbfc7e: Change: further prep Grain Mill to us... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/563120cbfc7e 10:47:08 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^ do you have time to help make use of that? 10:47:44 <andythenorth> it may or may not be self explanatory 10:53:30 <andythenorth> I like these black foundations 10:53:37 <andythenorth> it may require a lot of reslicing though :P 10:53:40 <andythenorth> nvm 10:55:36 <planetmaker> sorry, I slowed down my machine to a crawl... 11:07:13 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2574:7194f5acc532: Change: prepare Glass Works for groun... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7194f5acc532 11:09:13 <andythenorth> Terkhen: for vehicle names I use mountains / rivers / glaciers / places where they were built / shipping forecast areas 11:10:55 <Terkhen> hmm... are the default trucks based on any real models? 11:13:06 <andythenorth> not really 11:13:22 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountains_of_the_United_States 11:13:23 <Webster> Title: List of mountains of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 11:16:33 <Terkhen> I think that I'm just going to mix your suggestion and FooBar's :P 11:21:14 <Hirundo> Would "recolour_mode: RECOLOUR_DEFAULT;" be useful as an alias of "recolour_mode: RECOLOUR_REMAP; palette: PALETTE_USE_DEFAULT;" ? 11:26:06 <planetmaker> might be 11:28:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:31:55 <frosch123> Terkhen: at least the default trains are 11:32:11 <frosch123> afaik they even had the original names in tto 11:33:53 <Terkhen> hmm... according to the original vehicle names GRF, they have real vehicle names 11:34:14 <Terkhen> but then a ford is identical to a volvo truck :P 11:34:19 <Terkhen> makes little sense 12:37:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:39:22 <planetmaker> "lang/english.lng", line 8: String code 'PARAM' has been deprecated and will be removed soon <--- what is the proper way to use that now, Yexo, Hirundo? 12:40:21 <Hirundo> COMMA 12:40:38 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Error <-- so that should be updated, right? 12:41:09 <planetmaker> (the custom error message) 12:41:27 <planetmaker> but also the invalid parameter 12:42:16 <planetmaker> and I guess they can't be strings, too, can't they? 12:42:54 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:43:05 <Hirundo> the PARAM should be replaced by COMMA there indeed 12:43:23 <Hirundo> about the STRINGs i'm not sure, there's some built-in magic in there *checks* 12:54:33 <Hirundo> The parametern parameters must be (non-constant) numbers 12:58:35 <planetmaker> ok, so I can (unfortunately) only give a parameter number. 12:58:43 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 12:59:20 <Hirundo> You can provide any expression, NML will convert it into a parameter if needed 12:59:42 <planetmaker> yes. But I need a translatable string :-) 13:00:20 <Hirundo> You can provide 1 (and only 1) translatable string via extra_text 13:01:15 <Hirundo> Complaints about limitations of this format may be delivered to #tycoon :) 13:02:13 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 13:04:39 <planetmaker> parameter _number_ unfortunately doesn't make much sense anymore... - that's why :-) 13:05:50 <Hirundo> Documentation on that page needs some fixing, don't have time for that right now though 13:07:05 <andythenorth> drop ttdp support :P 13:07:06 <andythenorth> it's time 13:07:21 <andythenorth> maintaining compatibility with a dead platform :P 13:10:21 <frosch123> isn't that already the case? 13:12:55 <planetmaker> quite. It becomes increasingly painful to maintain TTDP compatibility. And all the nice new stuff is unsupported anyway 13:13:17 <planetmaker> and NML won't give you TTDP support if you use a bit of magic in sprite layouts 13:13:39 <andythenorth> declare intention now - as it's de-facto true 13:13:52 <planetmaker> what use would that be? 13:13:54 <andythenorth> then declare next nfo version non-ttdp compatible 13:14:06 <planetmaker> declaring it will only result in flames 13:14:07 <andythenorth> then start refactoring things that are annoying / limiting 13:14:16 <planetmaker> Just doing it has the same result without the bad karma attached 13:14:27 <andythenorth> or the bad karma of not telling people :P 13:14:44 <planetmaker> No, it's just that no-one implemented the specs in ttpd ;-) 13:18:03 <andythenorth> declare it but don't tell anyone else :P 13:19:41 <planetmaker> andythenorth: just look at the NewGRF wiki 13:19:51 <planetmaker> And it becomes very obvious that it has long been done ;-) 13:20:52 <planetmaker> two features not in ttdp. many variables 13:21:45 <planetmaker> and only very few things there which are in ttdp only so far and make sense to implement in ottd. 13:21:50 <planetmaker> in the way described 13:37:00 <Terkhen> no need to declare intention IMO 13:37:18 <Terkhen> it will happen slowly enough 13:37:38 <Terkhen> if anyone is interested on supporting TTDP, he will implement new NewGRF features 13:37:42 <Terkhen> as happened for NewObjects 13:38:01 <Terkhen> otherwise... we don't really need to take a stance besides "making OpenTTD better" 13:38:10 <Terkhen> not our problem :) 13:41:17 <planetmaker> exactly. And we shouldn't even make it partially ours by stating any such intention 13:42:02 <planetmaker> even things like ecs starts to drop ttdp support 13:42:04 <andythenorth> mm 13:42:12 <andythenorth> but you are currently out of spec :P 13:42:21 <andythenorth> as ttdp is considered to be the spec 13:42:23 <planetmaker> out of spec? 13:42:33 <planetmaker> no. The spec is the wiki. 13:42:34 <andythenorth> MB has declared that ttdp is the spec for newgrf 13:42:42 <planetmaker> who cares? 13:42:44 <andythenorth> or do I misremember unfairly? 13:43:50 <andythenorth> nvm 13:44:35 <planetmaker> those who implement a feature first provide the reference implementation 13:45:05 <Terkhen> and after that others are free to implement that feature, ignore it or declare that they will never implement it 13:45:27 <Terkhen> as happens with OpenTTD and some stuff on the specs 13:45:38 <planetmaker> yup 14:10:40 <planetmaker> I'm puzzled... my check for the newgrf parameters of swedishrails doesn't work for me: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/index.php?source=othergrf_check.diff <-- line 89ff checks for swedishrails parameter 'fences' 14:11:11 <planetmaker> it should show a warning, if the value is >4: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/entry/src/header.pnml#L52 14:11:55 <planetmaker> but somehow that doesn't seem to work.... 14:12:30 <planetmaker> interestingly the check for the canset parameter works 14:14:07 *** JVassie has quit IRC 14:17:18 <frosch123> wrong grfid? :p 14:19:58 <frosch123> ottd will only show one message 14:22:00 <planetmaker> no, the grfID is correct. I tested things independently 14:22:34 <planetmaker> it must be like wrong parameter number... but I don't know what might be the right one... 14:22:45 <planetmaker> Not 2. Not 3... other numbers don't make sense 14:38:54 <frosch123> you mean nml hides which parameters swedish rails realy uses? 14:40:07 <planetmaker> it should not... I explicitly defined in SER's source to assigne fences to param 2... (0-based) 14:46:24 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:55:05 *** ChanServ changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 15:51:11 *** Zuu has quit IRC 16:14:41 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 137:3d842cefd9dc: add ET85 and ET65 to core, add prussian G... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/3d842cefd9dc 16:26:05 <andythenorth> planetmaker: fancy helping with those improved ground tiles for grain mill? 16:51:13 *** ChanServ changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 17:19:34 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:20:48 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r251 to r252 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r252 17:22:53 <Brot6> firs: update from r2569 to r2574 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r2574 17:26:00 <Brot6> cets: update from r135 to r137 done (475 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r137 17:27:10 <Brot6> heqs: update from r639 to r640 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r640 17:29:32 <Brot6> ogfx-landscape: update from r82 to r85 done (1 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-landscape/nightlies/r85 17:30:01 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: narvs (r52), bros (r52), ogfx-industries (r123), opengfx (r732), ailib-tile (r16), foobarstramtracks (r23), transrapidtrackset (r28), 2cctrainset (r750), ailib-list (r32), opensfx (r97), ttdviewer (r34), worldairlinersset (r672), openmsx (r97), basecosts (r25), nutracks (r208), nml (r1661), water-features (r51), 32bpp-extra (r40), manindu (r7), newgrf_makefile (r305), ailib-direction (r17), 17:30:01 <Brot6> ailib-common (r21), snowlinemod (r49), dutchtramset (r87), ai-admiralai (r75), swisstowns (r22), metrotrackset (r56), dutchroadfurniture (r12), spanishtowns (r10), frenchtowns (r6), grfpack (r279), ogfx-rv (r110), fish (r684), ttrs (r36), ogfx-trees (r51), swedishrails (r206), grfcodec (r833), ai-aroai (r49), german-townnames (r34), smts (r19), chips (r143), belarusiantowns (r8), indonesiantowns (r41), ailib-string (r29), airportsplus (r135), 17:30:03 <Brot6> comic-houses (r71) 18:59:31 <andythenorth> fewer commits this weekend :P 19:04:01 <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r22883 still failed (#2964) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/ERROR/r22883 19:09:26 <Brot6> openttd-vehiclevars: update from r22870 to r22883 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/openttd-vehiclevars/testing/r22883 19:10:59 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22883 still failed (#2966) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r22883 19:12:41 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r22883 still failed (#2446) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r22883 19:28:21 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:42:23 *** JVassie has quit IRC 19:47:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:47:59 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3028 (Confirmed): Clay Pit has wrong palette (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3028 20:24:05 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:24:19 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:24:23 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:24:49 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:24:57 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:25:23 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:25:37 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:26:23 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:26:23 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:26:53 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:36:22 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:47:52 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:49:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:07:37 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:24:05 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:28:59 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 186:b8293db2cb9c: - Upgrade town bridge is now optional (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/b8293db2cb9c 21:45:39 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:45:40 *** tneo has quit IRC 21:45:43 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:45:55 *** Guest8549 has quit IRC 21:46:03 *** Guest8548 has quit IRC 21:46:05 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:46:27 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:46:35 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:47:05 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:47:05 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 21:47:05 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:47:50 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:48:05 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:22:07 *** Lakie has quit IRC 22:24:52 *** ChanServ changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 23:03:18 *** Zuu has quit IRC 23:28:21 *** frosch123 has quit IRC