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06:31:26 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:29:00 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:36:03 <Hirundo> good morning 08:36:57 <dihedral> hello Hirundo 08:37:23 <Hirundo> I was wondering, if it would be possible to use separate sprites for each rail tile junction instead of composing them from ballast + track bits 08:37:40 <Hirundo> It looks somewhat ugly with 32bpp/ez, see e.g. http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/3145/%C5%BD%C4%8F%C3%A1r%20nad%20S%C3%A1zavou%20Transport,%202000-04-08.png 08:38:33 <planetmaker> Hirundo: on close inspection it doesn't look differently in 8bpp either 08:39:50 <planetmaker> with separate sprites you easily have loads of new sprites then. Surly feasible. But... loads more sprites. Instead of coding simplification as now 08:40:01 <Hirundo> indeed, but i's much more visible with EZ 08:40:30 <Hirundo> Such a thing would be optional, ofc. 08:41:01 <planetmaker> I see at least 36 new sprites necessary then 08:41:13 <planetmaker> probably I missed some combinations 08:41:27 <Hirundo> There are 2**6=64 combinations of track bits 08:41:35 <planetmaker> not all need new sprites 08:41:39 <Hirundo> 1 of them is empty 08:41:43 <Hirundo> 6 are single bits 08:41:59 <planetmaker> 3 are dobule bits which are also covered 08:42:01 <Hirundo> =, || and X also don't use composing 08:42:09 <Hirundo> which leaves 54 08:42:36 <Hirundo> Better use a rendering script for that^^^ 08:43:05 <planetmaker> :-) 08:43:43 <planetmaker> Hirundo: a stip further, it'll be nice to take into account the curvature wrt the preceeding tile :-) 08:43:51 <planetmaker> --> smooth curves 08:43:55 <Hirundo> Just rendering track bits combined would go a long way, as there would be no ballast on top of rails etc 08:44:23 <Hirundo> smooth curves in TTD :o 08:44:58 <planetmaker> Hirundo: if 54 further sprites are rendered, 162 to account for curvature doesn't hurt ;_) 08:45:26 <Hirundo> Do all of those numbers * 3 for mono/maglev 08:45:30 <planetmaker> it would only be optical and would not require change of vehicle follow code 08:45:32 <Hirundo> It does add up :-) 08:45:36 <planetmaker> of course it does 08:49:34 <planetmaker> Hirundo: one could otoh also think of composing the junctions. Maybe separating sleepers and tracks 08:49:47 <planetmaker> that would also help. And might mean less sprites 08:50:20 <Hirundo> you mean, separate sprites for sleepers and tracks? 08:50:37 <planetmaker> yes 08:51:15 <Hirundo> so you'd a) draw ballast, b) for t in trackbits: draw sleepers c) for t in trackbits: draw rails 08:51:46 <Hirundo> sounds doable 08:52:44 <Hirundo> I think you'd need to do some experimentation with a gfx program first, to see what works best, before spending time patching ottd and rendering dozens of sprites 08:53:02 <planetmaker> yes. Though... sprites are essential for testing :-P 08:53:38 <planetmaker> the sleepers would need some distinction on the existing trackbits. So maybe it doesn't really help... 09:51:49 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:52:26 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 21:986ab001ad37: Fix: Don't silently discard duplicate sprite labels while cou... XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/986ab001ad37 09:52:26 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 22:645a0bb876ac: Use templates for 32bpp terrain sprites. XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/645a0bb876ac 09:52:26 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 23:053fba5dd8d3: Merge XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/053fba5dd8d3 10:44:42 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains renders - Revision 30:b3016407aed1: Add: Blender models and render run for early fla... XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains-render/repository/revisions/b3016407aed1 11:25:04 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 728:745e3ecbf9cb: Add: Sprites for early flatbed wagons XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/745e3ecbf9cb 11:31:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 729:8cc718c37e1c: Add: Sprites for early flatbed wagons to model list XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/8cc718c37e1c 11:35:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 730:22410db91512: Revert #4068: Refs #4075: Removed 80 km/h speed limit o... XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/22410db91512 11:41:16 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1941:ae8a674c33cc: Change: Enable sprite cropping for the regression... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/ae8a674c33cc 11:41:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 731:ede192766d63: Merge with default XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/ede192766d63 11:48:18 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 732:17b26de17ee8: Revert #4068: Refs #4075: Removed 80 km/h speed limit o... XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/17b26de17ee8 11:55:55 <LordAro> anyone else get the impression Alberth/zephyris and Xotic750 are having a competition to keep their project at the 'top of the list'? (e.g. http://hg.openttdcoop.org/?sort=lastchange ) 12:00:33 *** Xotic750 has quit IRC 12:08:30 <Alberth> alphabetic sorting won't work for me :p 12:19:00 <dihedral> i have absolutely now idea what you are talking about LordAro 12:19:01 <dihedral> :-P 12:19:34 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 155:4301eeb6ffaf: Add: allow finding a PluginDescriptor by its Name XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/4301eeb6ffaf 12:20:15 <planetmaker> hehe. dih made it to the top ;-) 12:22:23 <dihedral> :-P 12:22:55 <dihedral> I have a question regarding the use of the bot at openttdcoop :-) 12:23:23 <dihedral> as you have a few commands available, is the privilege separation still only 'is op' and 'is not op'? 12:24:28 <planetmaker> with autpilot? yes 12:24:41 <planetmaker> with webster: not sure. Likely yes 12:24:58 <planetmaker> though webster allows for a more fine-grained control in principle 12:25:04 <planetmaker> down to per-user 12:25:07 <Rubidium> Alberth: did you see my zbasebuild patch on the tracker? 12:25:42 <dihedral> planetmaker, next to op and not op, any suggestions? 12:26:03 <planetmaker> voice 12:26:22 <dihedral> ok, i'll rephrase :D next to the irc privileges :-D 12:26:31 <planetmaker> :-) 12:27:18 <planetmaker> other than irc priviliges there might only be personalized access by user name 12:27:22 <planetmaker> or by password 12:27:37 <planetmaker> but... I haven't thought long on any possible alternatives 12:30:49 <Brot6> AroAI - Revision 62:ebacd5143ed2: Codechange: [Makefile] Use awk instead of troublesome 'let' XLordAroX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-aroai/repository/revisions/ebacd5143ed2 12:31:03 <planetmaker> aha. And now you compete, too, LordAro ;-) 12:31:23 <LordAro> i've had that sitting there for a while :L 12:31:37 <LordAro> the 'competition' reminded me :) 12:32:30 <Alberth> Rubidium: nice! I commit everything, even with such glitches. zeph has a very regular structure in his files, so some sed magic is sufficient to fix any offset problem. 12:33:38 <Alberth> That is, feel free to commit that. 12:41:55 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 156:b7c3e9ada5ed: Change: move execution of Commands to the PluginManager XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/b7c3e9ada5ed 12:49:57 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 24:12c2d7294f2c: Add: Lots of terrain for all climates XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/12c2d7294f2c 12:49:57 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 25:28e838c3b6d7: Change: Be more specific which files are incomplete with "mak... XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/28e838c3b6d7 12:55:15 <planetmaker> what's the current highscore, Alberth? 12:56:36 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1580/ about 9%, but it may have a lot of false negatives 13:00:50 <Alberth> bbl 13:00:57 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 14:53:27 <Hirundo> profiling on a (my?) 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No idea why, as it doesn't fool my highlight detection ;) 15:05:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium: he requested to not be highligted 15:06:03 <planetmaker> thus the bot was changed to mangle the name 15:07:09 <dihedral> Alberth claims not to have a client that could forbid Brot6 to highlight him 16:07:38 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:26:42 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:43:55 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:54:17 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Patch #4089 (Closed): temperate rail XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4089 16:54:17 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Patch #4089 (Closed): temperate rail XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4089#change-11177 17:09:21 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:46:00 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 27:75e1fdce3b72: Add: 8shore tiles for all climates, unifying indenting in the... XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/75e1fdce3b72 17:58:28 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 157:39b0c37422a9: Change: be a weeny tiny bit more specific XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/39b0c37422a9 17:58:28 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 158:35735c0a6c49: Change: move processing command arguments in order to find plugi... XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/35735c0a6c49 17:58:28 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 159:5eed98b10bf2: Change: Clean up imports XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/5eed98b10bf2 17:58:54 <LordAro> coopetition? :P 17:59:07 <LordAro> i'm sorry, i know it's been thought of before, i just had to :L 18:09:26 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 28:a8a22a64c078: -Add: rail station XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/a8a22a64c078 18:11:01 <Alberth> Rubidium: I am working on the stadium 18:15:13 <Rubidium> luckily the last two letters differ ;) 18:16:23 <Alberth> oh there is another one? I have 1579-1586 18:17:50 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 29:6fd74c9a6ca1: Add: Soccer stadium XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/6fd74c9a6ca1 18:18:48 <Hirundo> debugging binary grfs is fun ... not 18:19:27 <Hirundo> once you can read newgrfs by decoding hex codes in your brain, it gets disturbing... 18:21:06 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 30:6b3120d1298a: Add: monorail and maglev train stations XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/6b3120d1298a 18:21:11 <Rubidium> almost 1/8th done! ;) 18:25:21 <Alberth> zephyris should hurry up, we're running out of sprites to code :p 18:35:24 <Alberth> Hirundo: I once had that a bit with 6502 machine language 18:41:51 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4088: wrongly sloped rail and tunnel entrance XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4088#change-11178 19:01:10 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 31:70982658eb64: Add: monorail and maglev tracks to temperate and arctic XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/70982658eb64 19:03:14 <Rubidium> this base set will become huge 19:04:15 <Rubidium> ~ 70 MiB now, with 14% done 19:07:21 <Alberth> it has quite a few false negatives, the percentage is higher 19:07:47 <Alberth> but 32bpp explodes somewhat in size indeed :) 19:08:10 *** Lord_Aro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:08:21 *** LordAro has quit IRC 19:11:28 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Revision 106:9bfd3e38ae34: Translation: update Dutch XfoobarX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/metrotrackset/repository/revisions/9bfd3e38ae34 19:20:52 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 796:bc16452f88f1: Change: correct an intro date XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/bc16452f88f1 19:20:52 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 797:74e2e4e41a6d: Codechange: provide support for handling liquid cargo capacity exp... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/74e2e4e41a6d 19:30:09 <Brot6> Berries - Revision 34:5e09918b88dd: Add: quick implementation for processing commands via IRC XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/5e09918b88dd 19:30:09 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 160:9c799ace166f: Change: trim the string? :-P XdihX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/9c799ace166f 19:32:42 * dihedral should commit as 'X' :-P 19:33:11 <dihedral> or -GenderSe 19:44:37 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 19:55:14 *** Lord_Aro has quit IRC 19:55:41 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:56:54 *** LordAro has quit IRC 19:57:20 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:58:45 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:11:54 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Bug #4081: IRM/VIRM IV depot sprite XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4081#change-11179 20:19:14 *** Xotic750 has quit IRC 20:44:58 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:55:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 798:8730c0b9035b: Codechange: refactor how classes are set XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/8730c0b9035b 21:25:06 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:18:30 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4084: depot blender challenges XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4084#change-11180 23:23:31 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4090 (New): Bus and Truck Non-Drive Through FG/BG XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4090 23:38:00 *** LordAro has quit IRC