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07:15:14 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:48:09 *** Jeff__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:49:19 *** Jeff__ has quit IRC 08:17:05 <Ammler> Hmm, I wonder would it make sense to make the build envrionment into the tmpfs (ramfs) 08:19:53 <Ammler> I never yet used /run intentionally :-) 08:20:43 <Ammler> (on suse, that is tmpfs) 08:39:29 *** Zuu has quit IRC 08:49:14 <Ammler> real 2m2.876s 08:49:15 <Ammler> user 4m1.424s 08:49:17 <Ammler> sys 0m28.991s 08:49:18 <Ammler> marcel@xps:~/run/opengfx> 08:53:02 <Ammler> real 2m16.670s 08:53:03 <Ammler> user 4m29.510s 08:53:05 <Ammler> sys 0m30.053s 08:53:06 <Ammler> marcel@xps:~/hg/opengfx-clone> 08:53:22 <Ammler> overestimated the benefit, but I also have no other io locally 09:51:27 *** Nat_aS has quit IRC 10:44:46 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:15:17 <Rubidium> Ammler: disable read and write cache on your HDD and then you'll see a difference 11:15:31 <Rubidium> possibly just trash your cache before running it 11:36:39 <Ammler> on the new server (if it ever will work), we would have a lot more memory to use 12:37:06 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4517 (Assigned): Dr14 sprites to be done Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4517 12:38:26 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #4440: Dr16, 1 sprite to be fixed Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4440#change-12245 12:39:53 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #4442 (Confirmed): Ed-doubledecker coach, 1 sprite to be fixed Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4442#change-12247 12:48:59 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4519 (New): Finnish Trainset Taster 2012 Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4519 12:51:19 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4521 (New): Sm5 sprites to be done Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4521 13:05:45 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #4523 (New): "Greenization" Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4523 13:07:33 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4523 (New): "Greenization" Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4523 13:07:33 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4525 (New): Sm6 sprites to be done Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4525 13:07:33 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4523: "Greenization" Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4523#change-12249 13:13:11 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Support #4527 (New): Moving of sprites and sfx to DevZone repository Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4527 13:22:33 <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #4529 (New): Beta/taster list... Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4529 13:24:54 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:33:24 *** Zuu has quit IRC 16:21:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/canrail registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/canrail 16:21:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/canrail created 16:29:16 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:50:07 <Yexo> canrail will get an open license? 16:59:06 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:00:27 <Ammler> it might not be canset :-) 17:20:28 <Brot6> firs: update from r3185 to r3186 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r3186 17:25:14 <planetmaker> Yexo, yes, it will. Basically DanMacK asked me whether I could code his sprites 17:25:48 <Yexo> great :) 17:26:17 <planetmaker> it's an offer and challange I'd like to accept :-) 17:26:41 <Yexo> I'd offer to help, but cargodist :p 17:26:49 <planetmaker> I think he asked Pikka, but he seems to have little time recently, too 17:27:25 <Yexo> have you seen Hirundo_ lately? 17:27:29 <planetmaker> No worries. And... I'm quite sure I won't make a jump-start. I'm just in preparation of a two-week parabolic flight campaign for the first two December weeks... 17:27:34 <planetmaker> unfortunately not :-( 17:27:57 <Yexo> I'm thinking about making an NML 0.3 release soon-ish 17:28:04 <planetmaker> I guess he's busy with semester work 17:28:14 <planetmaker> NML 0.3 would be nice really 17:28:20 <Yexo> I won't have time to add any major features soon, so now seems as good as any time 17:28:27 <planetmaker> agreed 17:28:40 <Yexo> especially as NML 0.3 sort-of needs to be done before OpenTTD 1.3 17:28:42 <planetmaker> so NML 0.3 will have everything except stations + bridges 17:29:18 <Yexo> it also means that we can start coding some features that might break compatibility and were delayed until NML 0.4 17:29:51 <Yexo> anyway, "soon-ish" is end of this month or something 17:29:58 <Yexo> depends on whether Hirundo_ wants to add anything 17:32:38 *** Nat_aS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:43:34 <planetmaker> why does it need be done before OpenTTD 1.3? 18:53:07 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:28 <Yexo> won't zbase have the same problem as opengfx? 19:31:32 <planetmaker> sorry, other computer. which problem do you refer to, Yexo ? 19:32:02 <Yexo> distro's want to build from source but get the exact same binary output 19:32:17 <Yexo> which means you need the exact same version of nml 19:32:23 <planetmaker> ah. Yes. If distros want to provide zBase, the issue will be exactly the same 19:32:40 <Yexo> since nml 0.2 won't do, it'd be nice if a release version of nml was available that did work 19:33:15 <planetmaker> On this you're right. And that'd make it very nice to have nml 0.3 done 19:33:38 <planetmaker> OpenGFX releases does not yet rely on nml 0.3. But zBase would need it 19:33:58 <planetmaker> as zBase is based on OpenGFX trunk 19:35:47 <Ammler> zbase for distros is no requirement, so not sure, if distros will package it 19:36:07 <Ammler> I just experimented with it 19:36:42 <Ammler> but for sure, if you release a new nml, there should also be a opengfx based on it 19:36:42 <planetmaker> well. zBase is no requirement indeed. But effectively zBase could replace OpenGFX currently 19:37:00 <planetmaker> except that its 32bpp UI elements spoil the size (which is bad) 19:37:14 <Ammler> or openttd could get rid of the checksum requirement 19:37:37 <planetmaker> that imho should be reverted or rather replaced by proper - sized UI elements. And the 32bpp 2x UI elements integrated in OpenGFX+ BigGUI 19:38:05 <Ammler> well, the default gui is small 19:38:10 <planetmaker> yes 19:38:14 <Ammler> with the today high resolution 19:38:34 <planetmaker> I still play with small icons on my desktop 19:38:43 <Yexo> which means it should be possible to increase the size, not mandatory 19:38:44 <Ammler> but it is silly to make main toolbar only 19:39:24 <planetmaker> the especially silly point is, that just changing the sprites there will be inconsistent 19:39:39 <planetmaker> also text sizes need adjustement etc. And a base set cannot provide that 19:40:11 <planetmaker> as such it should not change size of GUI elements 19:40:18 <Ammler> well, the default font should be changed to truetype font 19:40:45 <Yexo> Ammler: that's besides the point 19:41:01 <planetmaker> truetype doesn't mean different size. So ^ 19:41:01 <Yexo> you still would need a way to change the font size 19:41:13 <Ammler> the openttd font does not match biggui, imo 19:41:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: of course also with bigger size :-P 19:41:54 <Yexo> Ammler: the default shouldn't change, there should instead be a way to change the font (size) from within openttd 19:42:17 <Ammler> oh, didn't mean default of openttd, sorry 19:42:22 <Yexo> same for biggui, it needs better support and an easy way to change between default-size (opengfx) and larger icons 19:42:37 <Ammler> meant the font should be somehow overriden by biggui 19:42:43 <Yexo> definitely not 19:42:47 <planetmaker> we were talking base sets, though 19:42:49 <planetmaker> ;-) 19:43:06 <Yexo> a newgrf shouldn't be able to override interface settinsg like the font (size), same holds for a baseset 19:43:28 <Ammler> yep, but you need the newgrf biggui to get rid of the current zbase big icons :-P 19:43:50 <planetmaker> indeed conceptionally I find it already difficult to allow overriding GUI elements at all via NewGRF 19:44:18 <Ammler> Yexo: then openttd should get a gui for fonts ;-) 19:44:31 <planetmaker> yes, that also 19:44:32 <Yexo> Ammler: indeed it should 19:45:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: you should tell zeph about the toolbar, I don't think, he would mind 19:45:52 <planetmaker> toolbar? 19:46:04 <Ammler> the big iconons 19:46:20 <planetmaker> maybe. not sure 19:47:19 <planetmaker> but it's something I'd like see fixed rather soon actually :-) 19:49:27 <Ammler> there is still a long way for zbase to get as nice as opengfx 19:49:48 <Ammler> not really comparable 19:51:41 <planetmaker> Not sure. It needs still a lot of detail work, I think. But it's "done" nearly 19:51:59 <planetmaker> And Zeph's statement always was "get it done first, do the beautification after that" 19:52:41 <planetmaker> which is imho especially in this place the best thing he could have done to help everyone involved in OpenTTD 19:52:42 <andythenorth> if I've understood workflow, it's quite easy to improve iteratively 19:52:48 <Ammler> yeah, done it might be soon, nice it might need years :-) 19:53:01 <andythenorth> welcome to my life :P 19:53:04 <andythenorth> that's FIRS too :P 19:55:33 <Ammler> currently opengfx looks nicer zoomed in as zbase zoomed out :-) 19:55:58 <Ammler> zoomed in it just misses details a lot 19:56:23 <andythenorth> zbase style is pretty good though 19:56:36 <andythenorth> I am unconvinced by rendered graphics generally, but the style is ok 19:57:51 <Ammler> the zoom in is much more important as the 32bpp 19:59:31 <Ammler> no need for os desktop zoom anymore :-P 20:08:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:08:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:09:28 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:16:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:27:31 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:40:38 <Ammler> @topic remove -1 22:40:38 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 22:51:23 *** Zuu has quit IRC 23:18:57 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:29:39 <Brot6> Canadian Railway Set - Revision 0:7cdc1c66b4e6: Add: Build system and dummy NewGRF XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/canrail/repository/revisions/7cdc1c66b4e6