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Log for #openttd on 16th June 2006:
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00:00:10  <Bjarni> haah
00:00:10  <Bjarni> *haha
00:00:29  <Eddi|zuHause> (making that country about 2 meters wide ;))
00:01:11  <Bjarni> there is a railroad not far from here. It's about 25 km long and it's actually 3 different railroads, that have been merged into one
00:01:27  <Bjarni> that gives the term "short line" a new meaning
00:04:38  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't find that picture in the net :(
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00:05:03  <Sacro> ooh, Purchase Window Refit Info patch
00:05:33  <glx> yeah seems nice
00:05:34  <Bjarni> once you mention that you will find a certain pic on the net to show to some people, you can be sure that it's gone :P
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00:08:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen it on the net...
00:08:22  <Eddi|zuHause> it was in a history book or something
00:09:56  <Bjarni> there could be some issues in joining so many countries
00:10:37  <Bjarni> the most stable countries are those with one culture only... if there are more, there is a risk of bad stuff happening
00:11:27  <Bjarni> think of virtually any war in the 20th century. One of the first things that happens is to get rid of "them" in the country
00:11:51  <Bjarni> think of Yugoslavia
00:12:34  <Eddi|zuHause> oh.. the history of the creation of the german reich in 1871 is really genious ;)
00:12:44  <Eddi|zuHause> (see Bismarck)
00:12:48  <Bjarni> those people lived together when Tito was in command. Once he died, they started to kill each other
00:13:10  <Bjarni> yeah
00:13:54  <Bjarni> Bismarck built railroads, which in turn gave a great boost both to the military and to the economy, making Prussia a really strong nation
00:14:40  <Eddi|zuHause> he had to trick austria into a war, to get rid of everything belonging to austria, but not the german federation (hungria, lots of stuff in yugoslavia)
00:15:14  <Eddi|zuHause> (as austria would hardly have given up those countries ;))
00:16:20  <Eddi|zuHause> he did that by claiming holstein (or something... in the north of germany... far from austria, but somehow belonging to it)
00:17:02  <Eddi|zuHause> then he tricked france into a war by claiming rights on the spanish throne
00:17:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (because france was against germany merging)
00:17:38  <Eddi|zuHause> and then he had to convince bavaria that prussia will not dominate the country
00:18:01  <Sacro> hmm
00:18:15  <Eddi|zuHause> (parts of the special rights bavaria recieved back then are still valid)
00:20:03  <Eddi|zuHause> all that within around 3 years, i believe
00:23:23  <glx> hey a train without orders can make money
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00:23:35  <Magus_X> hello all
00:23:50  <Magus_X> ( Using UPLINK internal client LOL )
00:27:23  <Sacro> Magus_X: as in the Introversion game?
00:27:32  <Bjarni> night
00:27:33  <Magus_X> yes
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00:27:48  <Sacro> nice :) im an alpha tester for Defcon
00:27:53  <Magus_X> :D
00:28:02  <Magus_X> Defcon?
00:28:21  <Sacro> their latest game
00:28:21  <CIA-14> Darkvater * r5286 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
00:28:21  <CIA-14> - Clean up VS2005 project files by making them identical to the VS2003 project
00:28:21  <CIA-14> file. Mainly put object files into a subdirectory of the project directory
00:28:21  <CIA-14> instead of a level higher which makes absolutely no sense. Also add some
00:28:21  <CIA-14> ignores, remove obsolete VS6 project files.
00:28:44  <Magus_X> hm...
00:28:50  <Magus_X> running passowrk breaker right now
00:29:02  <Sacro> lol
00:29:44  <Magus_X> what defcon is about?
00:29:51  <Magus_X> damn bad english
00:30:09  <Sacro> you ever seen Wargames?
00:30:47  <Magus_X> oh
00:30:48  <Magus_X> lol
00:30:58  <Sacro> its Global Thermonuclear War
00:31:02  <Magus_X> cool
00:31:15  <Magus_X> like... Total Annihilation?
00:32:09  <Sacro> yup
00:33:24  <Magus_X> cool
00:34:36  <Sacro> hmm, is there a nice easy wya to share my hard drives on my laptop and desktop to each other
00:34:46  * Sacro investigates NFS
00:35:15  <Magus_X> lol!
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00:36:55  <Magus_X> oh
00:36:58  <Magus_X> i got caught
00:36:59  <Magus_X> LOL
00:38:06  <Sacro> ?
00:38:20  <lws1984> meh?
00:38:37  <Magus_X> me
00:38:44  <Magus_X> then game closed ^^
00:39:03  <Sacro> hehe
00:39:07  <Sacro> bedtime i think
00:39:11  <lws1984> gnight
00:39:15  <Magus_X> gnight
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00:41:18  <Magus_X> http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2990/speculations5fw.jpg my bet for this WC
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05:18:50  <Tobin> Gah, Google Earth now has high res images for my area and Google Maps has road data but neither has both.
05:19:11  * Tobin wonders what other free services he can complain about
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07:42:34  <guru3> 6/t
07:42:42  <eleusis> !
07:42:46  <guru3> typo
07:42:50  <guru3> meant to type just /t
07:43:32  <eleusis> :)
07:43:48  <eleusis> 6 <- remnant from '/win 6'?
07:44:07  <peter1138> morning
07:44:13  <eleusis> afternoon
07:44:27  <guru3> not quite sure how that 6 got there
07:44:30  <guru3> and good morning peter1138
07:44:42  <eleusis> :)
07:44:51  <guru3> svn hates me :(
07:45:14  <peter1138> aww
07:45:17  <eleusis> i hate svn
07:45:26  <guru3> i can't even get my own project's source anymore
07:45:28  <eleusis> >:D
07:45:41  <DarkSSH> KUDr: it might be possible that openttd doesn't compile for you now becuase i removed the additional include/library paths
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07:45:46  <Darkvater> morning
07:45:52  *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater
07:45:52  <guru3> good morning
07:46:41  <guru3> i wonder how developers are supposed to commit to sf.net svn...
07:47:23  <eleusis> um
07:47:27  <eleusis> sourceforge has svn now?
07:47:32  <guru3> yeah
07:47:35  <eleusis> :O
07:47:41  <eleusis> since when?
07:47:48  <Darkvater> since some time
07:47:59  <eleusis> hmm
07:48:03  <Darkvater> guru3: I imagine if you are in the dev-group of the SF project you are allowed to commit
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07:48:54  <guru3> woo look at that it worked
07:48:54  <guru3> now
07:48:59  <guru3> to get it to store my username...
07:51:43  <guru3> oh my
07:51:52  <guru3> it's memorized my userinfo already
07:52:09  <eleusis> :)
07:52:17  <eleusis> what are you working on, guru3?
07:52:44  <guru3> armagetron advanced
07:53:02  <eleusis> hmm
07:53:15  <eleusis> a tron clone!
07:53:24  <guru3> in 3D!
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07:53:36  <guru3> well actually
07:53:41  <guru3> it's a 3D rendering of 2D
07:53:46  <guru3> we're still working on the 3D bit
07:54:37  <eleusis> so it's just a light cycle game?
07:54:49  <guru3> it's not 'just' a light cycle game
07:54:53  <eleusis> tron 2.0 had those..
07:54:56  <eleusis> ok.. :)
07:54:56  <guru3> it's much, much more than your average light cycle game
07:58:30  <peter1138> so it's light cycle with pretty graphics?
07:58:58  <Darkvater> hehe
07:59:05  <eleusis> flashing light cycles? ;)
07:59:09  <guru3> :(
07:59:13  <Darkvater> average light cycle simulation
07:59:13  <eleusis> :D
07:59:27  <guru3> it's to your regular tron simulator
07:59:31  <eleusis> maybe it has other light things
07:59:36  <eleusis> light planes!
07:59:43  <guru3> what openttd is to like the first tycoon game
07:59:45  <eleusis> build walls in 3D
08:01:14  <eleusis> hmm
08:01:22  <eleusis> how do cities grow in openttd?
08:02:24  <guru3> With new Miragrow City Edition!
08:02:32  <guru3> Just one drop and cities spring up before your very eyes!
08:02:46  <[Shaman]> eleusis: by transporting passengers, mail and goods to that city
08:02:47  <guru3> Now yours for just 5 easy payments of .95!
08:03:22  <eleusis> awesome
08:04:02  <eleusis> guru3 :)
08:04:23  <eleusis> guru3: is there a special offer for those paying with credit card? :P
08:04:51  <guru3> nope
08:04:54  <guru3> cash only
08:05:00  <eleusis> :)
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08:32:37  <Hagbard_Ub> SCOOLS OUT!
08:32:48  <eleusis> party!
08:33:32  <Darkvater> what is a scools?
08:34:46  <peter1138> presumably a bad spelling of 'skoolz'
08:35:28  <MiHaMiX> :DD
08:36:09  <eleusis> or "school's"
08:36:34  <peter1138> ahh... skool daez
08:36:39  <peter1138> o_O daze
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08:36:44  <Darkvater> 5k001 w3T?
08:36:51  <peter1138> http://www.spectrum.lovely.net/Skooldaze.html
08:36:51  <peter1138> :D
08:37:03  <Noldo> classic
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09:30:28  <MeusH> hi
09:30:41  <MeusH> a friend of mine asked about error with STR_0131_TOO_MANY_NAMES_DEFINED
09:30:53  <MeusH> seems he can't name more towns
09:31:02  <MeusH> because of limitations of name array
09:31:16  <MeusH> however, is there any way to skip it somehow?
09:35:22  <Naksu> skip the error?
09:35:41  <Naksu> if it was a non-fatal one i would assume the game wouldnt stop :)
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09:37:33  <peter1138> skipping the error would be very silly
09:37:51  <[Shaman]> it's not an error for nothing, Naksu.
09:38:05  <[Shaman]> it's meant to be 'alarming'.. not 'ignored' :P
09:42:23  <ln-> MeusH: can you tell me what the hell does "you aren't even allowed at him you punk" mean? looks like english words in a row, but doesn't seem to mean anything.
09:43:18  <Noldo> MeusH: find the constant that defines the size of the array from the code and recompile
09:43:27  <peter1138> constant. lol.
09:43:58  <Noldo> or the upperlimit
09:44:57  <peter1138> upperlimit. lol.
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09:46:19  <Noldo> foo
09:47:28  <peter1138> hmm, actually it's easy
09:47:38  <peter1138> just it's old code with bitmasks 'n stuff
09:47:38  * peter1138 updates
09:48:50  <Noldo> bimasks <3
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10:10:19  <MeusH> But a savegame done on tweaked OpenTTD (with changed constant) won't work on unchanged OpenTTD, will it?
10:13:04  <MeusH> brb
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10:29:42  <Ihmemies> uhh
10:30:01  <Ihmemies> do I have to aim to 75% ratings with passenger transport too? or is it ok if I have "too many" trains?
10:30:21  <hylje> of course its ok
10:30:26  <hylje> as long as your network can take it
10:30:55  <Ihmemies> great :F
10:31:15  <Ihmemies> sigh
10:31:29  <Ihmemies> should have probably made 4-lane maglev :F
10:32:02  <Ihmemies> i didn't realize that they are _that_ fast.. it's first time I built maglevs in ottd
10:32:25  <hylje> :D
10:33:09  <peter1138> did you copypaste them? :p
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10:34:34  <Ihmemies> yeah
10:34:43  <Ihmemies> looked from the forums some nice designs!
10:35:07  <peter1138> do you know how signalling works?
10:35:14  <peter1138> or do you just copy&paste that?
10:35:43  <Ihmemies> uh, partly, priorities I just c&p :P
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10:36:51  <Ihmemies> anyways, passenger trains seem to earn loads of money
10:37:04  <Ihmemies> 500K/year from one small 3-square train
10:37:55  <Sacro> morning all
10:39:31  <peter1138> standard engines i suppose?
10:39:37  <peter1138> ukrs is much harder :)
10:39:43  <Sacro> ukrs is brilliant
10:40:01  <peter1138> the development version is even better :D
10:40:19  <Noldo> how free is ukrs?
10:41:00  <Sacro> Noldo: about as free as OpenTTD
10:41:10  <Ihmemies> ukrs, aaargh
10:41:14  <Ihmemies> realism sucks!
10:41:48  <Ihmemies> i especially hate those slow and small cargo containers :F
10:43:05  <Sacro> ol
10:43:31  <Ihmemies> signaling electrical rails is also difficult because those grey poles interfere with light graphics :/
10:44:12  <Sacro> yup
10:44:20  <Sacro> i dont like OpenTTD light signals, they're too short
10:44:36  <peter1138> use a replacement? :D
10:45:02  <Sacro> peter1138:  are  there any nice uk signals?
10:45:08  * Sacro checks grfcrawler
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10:45:49  <Sacro> apparently not
10:46:21  <peter1138> hmm
10:46:25  <peter1138> not everything is on there
10:46:36  <peter1138> i know of us and dutch signal sets
10:46:39  <peter1138> but not uj
10:46:40  <peter1138> er
10:46:40  <peter1138> uk
10:47:11  <peter1138> pb_uksignals ;)
10:47:32  <Sacro> is there a pb_uksignals?
10:47:35  <peter1138> no
10:48:05  <Sacro> :(
10:50:20  <Noldo> I didn't find any license infromation from UKRS site
10:50:52  <Ihmemies> sigh
10:51:08  <Sacro> Noldo: its free :)
10:51:08  <Ihmemies> seems i'm too used to having "enough" money
10:51:42  <Ihmemies> I tried to make one 4x4 square station.. had 200k money, 100k after making the station and a few squares of rail :D
10:52:09  <Sacro> ?
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10:57:17  <peter1138> well, ukrs's graphics are based on the originals quite heavily
10:57:25  <peter1138> otoh, the new version has redrawn everything
10:58:15  <Sacro> ooh nice
11:08:27  <hylje> when maglev is invented
11:10:09  <Ihmemies> 2xxx :D
11:10:22  <Ihmemies> (altough it's unrealistic! omg!)
11:11:25  <Eddi|zuHause> that was supposed to be a questioon?
11:16:32  <hylje> upgrading network is tricky
11:18:58  <Ihmemies> upgrading network is pain in the ass
11:19:03  <Ihmemies> that's why I don't upgrade :P
11:19:19  <hylje> hf with obsolete trains in around 2020?
11:19:35  <Ihmemies> pfft, asiastars go nearly 270km/h
11:20:32  <hylje> monorail'll go faster
11:21:50  <Ihmemies> but it takes days to replace all the trains you've built when you finally get it
11:22:08  <hylje>  perhaps
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11:30:37  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have that kind of problem with the DBSetXL :)
11:31:34  <Ihmemies> can I have the same in english, please? :D
11:32:04  <Eddi|zuHause> ?
11:33:39  <Ihmemies> wtf is that dblggkkf?
11:34:08  <Eddi|zuHause> that is the name of the grf...
11:35:31  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.ttdpatch.net/newgrf.html
11:35:33  <Bjarni> Ihmemies: it's named DB Set XL, but without spaces. It's really not that complex (DB is the German railroad)
11:35:45  <Ihmemies> "Es ist der erste vollständige regionale Fahrzeugsatz für Transport Tycoon (deLuxe) der unter TTDPatch funktioniert. Der Fahrzeugsatz ist fürŽs normale Klima vorgesehen und enthält die wichtigsten DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn, Die Bahn) Fahrzeuge sowie eine Reihe älterer Fahrzeuge der (Vorkriegs-) Reichsbahn (DRG)."
11:35:47  <Ihmemies> yeah, i see
11:36:00  <Bjarni> XL because it's an enchanted version of the DBSet
11:36:02  <Ihmemies> i finally managed to google it
11:36:06  <Eddi|zuHause> there is an englis readme, too ;)
11:36:17  <Eddi|zuHause> *english
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11:36:37  <Prof_Frink>  It's a donotreadme
11:36:42  <Bjarni> are you sure it's not spelled englisch?
11:36:48  <hylje> IgnoreMe
11:36:51  <hylje> :-D
11:36:55  <Eddi|zuHause> not in english ;)
11:36:56  <Ihmemies> but en readme has same stuff as de, so it doesn't matter
11:37:22  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I seriously saw Deutsch or Englisch in a commercial product o_O
11:37:37  <Bjarni>  	<hylje>	IgnoreMe <-- we always do that
11:38:00  <Ihmemies> what does that dbset do when you want to move from rail to ml?
11:38:48  <Eddi|zuHause> it has only one maglev train (transrapid) that can only carry passengers, mail, goods and valuables
11:39:00  <Eddi|zuHause> so it is absolutely no use upgrading a network ;)
11:39:16  <Ihmemies> ....
11:39:21  <Ihmemies> piece of junk, then :)
11:39:23  <Ihmemies> like ukrs set
11:39:28  <Prof_Frink> Depends how you have your network set up
11:39:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but it has electric rails from 1920
11:39:49  <Eddi|zuHause> and lots of graphical eyecandy ;)
11:40:08  <Eddi|zuHause> and of course wagonspeedlimit
11:43:27  <Ihmemies> ...
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11:43:46  <Ihmemies> but it's all about speed.. what fun there is if fast trains are removed? :(
11:44:08  <peter1138> hylje: in english when asking a question, is comes before the item... i.e. "when is maglev invented?"
11:44:19  <Bjarni> the eyecandy: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/wagon_overwrite.png
11:44:47  <Eddi|zuHause> more importantly, questions need to be ended by a question mark
11:44:58  <Bjarni> yeah
11:45:07  <Sacro> Bjarni: interesting res...
11:45:12  <Ihmemies> do you play ottd with communicator or what? :D
11:45:41  <hylje> i'd like to
11:45:42  <hylje> :D
11:45:49  <Bjarni> Sacro: I took a screenshot and cut this out of it for people like Eddi|zuHause with really lousy connections :P
11:46:00  <Ihmemies> ...
11:46:04  <Eddi|zuHause> :)
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11:55:13  <peter1138> Bjarni: it's override, not overwrite
11:58:18  <Sacro> but overwrite is similar
12:02:42  <Sacro> ERROR: Error found on page <- damn useful router
12:02:50  <hylje> :>
12:03:25  * peter1138 pats this little pda with a 640x480 display
12:03:34  <peter1138> not yet got ottd on it though
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12:05:00  <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if i can have an OTTD server on my router
12:06:28  <hylje> why not
12:07:49  <Sacro> dunn
12:08:37  <Sacro> hmm, i appear to be able to ssh into it
12:09:11  <Bjarni> ahh you mean ON your router, not though it
12:09:19  <Bjarni> hmm
12:09:22  <Sacro> Bjarni: yes
12:09:26  <Bjarni> I think you will lack CPU power
12:09:32  <Bjarni> and maybe memory
12:10:06  <Bjarni> but I like the idea of having routers run such software :)
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12:10:27  <Sacro> doesnt have any space to install it
12:10:44  <Sacro> well ideally, it'd be an OTTD and LAMP server
12:10:50  <hylje> run it off nfs
12:11:02  <Bjarni> some routers runs linux and you can hook up an USB HD to it
12:11:04  <peter1138> you need a server to control a lamp?
12:11:13  <Bjarni> yeah
12:11:24  <Sacro> peter1138: beats getting up in the dark
12:11:32  <Bjarni> if he ever leaves home and forgot to turn off the light, he can do it though the internet
12:12:10  <hylje> in the ipv6 days you can assign unique IPs for every lamp
12:12:27  <hylje> and make them flash when someone pings them
12:12:38  <Bjarni> why would you want to do that?
12:12:46  <Noldo> Bjarni: because you can!
12:12:51  <Darkvater> peter1138: sidetracked once again? :p
12:12:57  <Eddi|zuHause> yesterday, it was _really_ dark for 2 minutes ;)
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12:13:07  <peter1138> Darkvater: hmm?
12:13:17  <Eddi|zuHause> (i need a UPS)
12:13:24  <Darkvater> pda now instead of utf8/newgrf :)
12:13:42  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	yesterday, it was _really_ dark for 2 minutes ;) <-- it can't get really dark here at this time of the year :D
12:13:55  <Bjarni> I mean I can see where the sun is even at midnight
12:14:06  <peter1138> Darkvater: nah
12:14:11  <Eddi|zuHause> well... apart from occasional lightnings
12:14:21  <Eddi|zuHause> the entire environment was absolutely dark
12:17:34  <Prof_Frink> Silly northerner
12:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause> well... i'm a few degrees south of bjarni ;)
12:19:21  <Bjarni> Jumbo Frame Support <-- wtf is that??? (in a router)
12:19:35  <Bjarni> Jumbo sized package support?
12:19:55  <hylje> jumbo packets
12:19:56  <hylje> ye
12:20:05  <vondel> more than 1500bytes in a packet
12:20:16  <vondel> a lot more
12:21:42  <Bjarni> why would I want that?
12:21:58  <Bjarni> the internet would only allow around 1500 bytes in each package anyway
12:22:05  <hylje> local networki
12:22:06  <hylje> ng
12:22:22  <hylje> i guess that makes for more throughput and less overhead
12:22:29  <vondel> on some routes on internet jumbo packets are allowed
12:22:51  <vondel> afaik there exists mechanisms in ipv6 to determine the minimum possible packetsize on a link
12:22:59  <Hackykid> hmm, is there one/
12:23:00  <Hackykid> ?
12:23:21  <Hackykid> wont packets that are too large be split into multiple smaller ones?
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12:23:30  <Hackykid> hmm, but thats only with tcp i think
12:23:44  <Bjarni> Hackykid: for IPv4 yes, for IPv6 no
12:23:49  <Bjarni> hmm
12:23:55  <vondel> yes, that's why you need to measure the max size that goes through unfragmented
12:23:55  <Bjarni> I wonder what I just said ok to
12:24:19  <Bjarni> there was a popup with ok (and some text I didn't read) that appeared as I pressed enter when sending the last line
12:24:27  <Bjarni> it went away right away
12:24:59  <vondel> bash.org shows it could prob have been worse
12:25:28  <vondel> people cybering to their granny coming online on exactly the wrong moment
12:26:20  <Bjarni> ahh, acrobat reader found an update, which I just finished downloading
12:26:20  <hylje> :D
12:26:39  <Bjarni> yeah
12:27:53  <Bjarni> hehe, now it's done updating and it just reopened the pdf, that I was already finished reading
12:28:20  <Bjarni> Apple MacOS X 10.1 / Apple MacOS X 10.2 / Apple MacOS X 10.3 <-- if you use OSX 10.4 with this router, you are out of luck?
12:28:22  <Bjarni> :P
12:28:30  <hylje> yes
12:28:30  <Bjarni> I guess they need to update their docs
12:29:10  <Bjarni> I find it hard to believe that the OS list is that limited. You just set up the router as gateway (or DHCP) and you are good to go
12:29:20  <Bjarni> it's not like it's really that much OS depending
12:29:52  <Bjarni> they should have written "ethernet and web browser to access setup"
12:29:56  <Bjarni> I think
12:31:01  <Sacro> my router wont let me change the wireless settings with anyhting other than IE :(
12:31:16  <Sacro> i tried Firefox, Epiphany, Konqueror
12:31:19  <hylje> :<
12:31:30  <Sacro> might have to try Opera, Lynx, Links
12:31:37  <Sacro> hmm, ssh...
12:31:49  <Bjarni> MacOS X 10.1 - 1.2 GHz - RAM 256 MB <-- what did they smoke???
12:32:00  <Bjarni> I bet it works even with 1 GHz CPU
12:32:09  <Bjarni> or even less than that
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12:33:18  <hylje> *recommended* is not necessarily *minimum*
12:33:38  <Bjarni> still, it sounds silly
12:34:44  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: firefox with UASwitcher?
12:35:06  <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of a guy, who had the minimum for an ISDN connection (there was no recommended) and he wanted his money back because it turned out that he should transfer the internet data though his 56k modem port
12:35:33  <Bjarni> he claimed that the ISP should have told him that since they was told what hardware he had
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12:40:21  <panda_77> hi all
12:40:31  <panda_77> i need help
12:41:17  <panda_77> my problem is "too many defined names"
12:41:27  <panda_77> is there any way to cheat it ?
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12:43:11  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: might have to try that next
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12:43:36  <Sacro> panda_77: nope, sorry
12:44:12  <panda_77> and in the near future maybe ?
12:44:24  <tokai> Bjarni: are u here?
12:44:34  <Bjarni> no
12:44:43  <Bjarni> you are in Germany. I'm not
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12:45:00  <tokai> Bjarni: do you know by any chance how to add dynlibs to a application bundle properly, so it works on users system even he doesnt has the dynlibs installed normaly?
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12:45:33  <Bjarni> well, I know one way to solve that
12:45:55  <peter1138> static link, and forever use an obsolete version
12:46:05  <Bjarni> add the dynlib inside the bundle and then use (inset name of app here) to set the path to it
12:46:23  <Bjarni> I forgot the name of that app though
12:46:32  <Darkvater> panda_77: perhaps
12:46:33  <tokai> ah:)
12:46:34  <Bjarni> it's usually way easier to use static linking
12:46:44  <peter1138> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$foo ;)
12:46:45  <tokai> how to do this? :)
12:47:06  <Darkvater> import libraries :)
12:47:35  <peter1138> people should just install the damned shared libraries
12:47:44  <peter1138> i guess os x users are just lazy
12:47:44  <tokai> well.. i have no clue about xcode etc., trying to hghelp someone else who has problems with his app not finding libpng/ and libjpeg :)
12:48:08  <peter1138> (on average </get out clause>)
12:48:41  <Bjarni> tokai: the name of that app is install_name_tool
12:49:00  <tokai> k, thx. hope that will help.
12:49:01  <Darkvater> so people are you ready for a RC this weekend?
12:49:07  <Darkvater> where's celestar anyways?
12:49:17  <Bjarni> LDFLAGS += -headerpad_max_install_names <-- that line is needed as well
12:49:55  <tokai> Bjarni: thx. again. :)
12:49:56  <Bjarni> it will reserve room in the binary to use the max length path, otherwise you risk overwriting important data if your new path is longer than the old one
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12:50:47  <tokai> ic
12:50:52  <peter1138> that sounds like *such* a hack
12:51:00  <Bjarni> 	<peter1138>	LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$foo ;) <-- something like that is possible on OSX as well, but I never got it to work. I'm not really sure I tried much though
12:51:05  <peter1138> whatever happened to dynamic linking...
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