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00:00:00 <Rubidium> just a little cling film 00:00:14 <Bjarni> I read about a homeless guy in the US... he lived under a bridge, but he had a TV and a playstation and stuff 00:00:25 <Bjarni> and furniture 00:01:04 <Bjarni> I thought homeless people didn't own more than they could carry 00:02:55 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 00:03:30 <Bjarni> Sacro: do you have a playstation? 00:03:32 *** Pikita [~qwertypop@89.241.232.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:05 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: only emulation 00:06:17 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:06:50 <Bjarni> good 00:06:56 <Bjarni> you haven't fallen to the dark side 00:07:14 <ln-> btw, is blu-ray dark side or not? 00:07:27 <Bjarni> that's a good question 00:07:35 <Bjarni> I'm still wondering about that question 00:08:55 <dih> it is 00:09:03 * dih thinks it defiantely is 00:09:30 <ln-> dih: have you counted how many 'a' letters are in that def... word? 00:09:46 <Sacro> ln-: enough 00:09:51 <Bjarni> why is it the dark side? 00:09:53 <dih> probably none but hey 00:10:00 <dih> or should i say 'but hay'? 00:10:07 <Sacro> the n is in the wrong place though 00:10:15 <dih> oh 00:10:18 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:19 <dih> woops 00:10:28 <Bjarni> what's so bad about blue-ray? 00:10:45 <ln-> how many 'e' letters are there in blu-ray? 00:11:04 <Bjarni> I don't know 00:11:07 <Bjarni> 42? 00:11:22 <ln-> close to zero 00:11:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:12:53 <Bjarni> anyway 00:12:59 <Bjarni> what's bad about it? 00:13:01 <NamedNubcake> anyway? 00:13:06 <NamedNubcake> Blu-ray ftw 00:13:15 <Bjarni> so you prefer HD-DVD? 00:13:15 <ln-> yeah, dih, what's bad about it? 00:13:24 <Bjarni> why? 00:13:26 <NamedNubcake> The insanely huge price? 00:13:40 <dih> they are making too much money with it :_D 00:13:51 <NamedNubcake> So its the insanely huge price ? 00:15:12 <Bjarni> but what is the alternative? 00:15:37 <Bjarni> if everybody picks HD-DVD instead then the companies behind that one will make a lot of money instead 00:16:16 <NamedNubcake> uhm Choose Fibre Optic HD TV? 00:16:25 <ln-> and one company behind HD-DVD is Microsoft. 00:16:31 <NamedNubcake> :O 00:17:21 <Bjarni> I read about the format war the other day 00:17:27 <LeviathNL> how is this for a openttd icon :P http://www.tsamedien.com/gallery_illu/zoom.php?var_original=Pics/image21.jpg&bildbeschreib=texte_Pics/image21.jpg.txt 00:17:42 <Bjarni> the industry wants to avoid MS due to royalties for every disc release in the future 00:17:55 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has joined #openttd 00:18:14 <Bjarni> LeviathNL: interesting 00:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with the old icon? 00:19:35 <Bjarni> it's.... orange 00:19:42 <LeviathNL> :o http://www.tsamedien.com/gallery_ani/stream_maerklin.html 00:20:25 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: it has a symbol of a monetary unit soon worth less than the paper it's printed on. 00:20:32 <Bjarni> oh it's not your work 00:20:35 <Bjarni> then that's an issue 00:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: then they should print it on gold paper ;) 00:21:13 <Bjarni> you see.... we need permission from the owner and I'm not going to ask MÀrklin to use their images because I already know the answer 00:21:31 <roboman> gmorning 00:21:58 <Bjarni> Alltaken made an image kind of like this once 00:22:35 <ln-> it has too much detail to look good at 16Ã16 or 32Ã32 00:22:46 <ln-> besides the copyright issue 00:22:51 <LeviathNL> It wasn't a serious suggestion, i stumbled upon it and found it rather interesting :) 00:23:02 <Bjarni> Alltaken's version had less detail to avoid this issue 00:23:06 <ln-> this is a serious channel 00:23:06 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:28 <Bjarni> ohh... speaking of Alltaken... his real name is Doug and at one time when he got pizza he couldn't get the bill. The pizza guy looked at it and wouldn't show it... in the end Alltaken caught a look at it and the pizza was not for Doug but for "Dong".... how the hell can you write that??? and about a customer 00:26:00 <ln-> a pen will do 00:27:08 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 00:28:29 <Belugas> whoooo... Tortoise 1.4.7... 00:28:39 * Belugas goes installig 00:30:12 * Sacro hands Belugas an n 00:30:34 <ln-> btw, is PSP3 the cheapest blu-ray player? 00:30:43 <glx> it is 00:30:46 <dih> openttd: 0.6.0-beta2/src/station.cpp:193: uint Station::GetPlatformLength(TileIndex) const: Assertion `TileBelongsToRailStation(tile)' failed. 00:31:39 * Belugas catches the n and woders where it should be goig 00:31:48 <dih> i have no idea what happened, if you need the last save, there is one (proabably) 00:32:30 <glx> does it always assert with the save? 00:32:41 <dih> i have not tried... 00:32:43 <ln-> err, actually, PSP stands for portable SP, doesn't it.. what i meant was PS3, as expected. 00:33:18 <glx> well indeed it is PS Portable ;) 00:36:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:36:35 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:48 <dih> glx: i have a save from about 5 mins before crash 00:37:09 <dih> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/FP3/autosave14.sav 00:37:13 <dih> just trying it now 00:37:30 <glx> try in nightlies too :) 00:37:53 <dih> shall do 00:38:04 <dih> if it crashes another time at least i shall 00:41:20 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause : nice shot http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2012.%20Mai%201939.png <--- i love the catenaries 00:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the dutchcatw.grf 00:42:31 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:16 <dih> glx: it's reproduceable 00:53:22 <glx> nice 00:53:32 <dih> SirkoZ did something and can reproduce it 00:53:44 <dih> :-P 00:53:52 <ln-> beware, Bjarni is going to push the button! 00:54:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41644.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:54 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:04 <ln-> see? 00:55:34 <ln-> exactly the kind of time of night when Bjarni tends to push the button, and so he did. 00:58:59 <glx> dih: and what did he do? 00:59:19 *** SirkoZ [~Voodoo_Ma@89.142.21.196] has joined #openttd 00:59:24 <SirkoZ> Hello! 00:59:32 <dih> i'll let him explain what he did - he knows best :-) 00:59:34 <SirkoZ> I have a great repeatable crash to report 00:59:41 <SirkoZ> I'll make 2 saves 00:59:53 <SirkoZ> and explain how to reproduce 01:00:05 <SirkoZ> "teleporters" are the culprit so to speak 01:00:14 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 01:00:28 <Belugas> hoo.... http://www.visualsvn.com/?gclid=CL_iyuL555ACFQUalgodVzvSWg 01:01:14 <Sacro> Belugas: I have that installed 01:01:35 <NamedNubcake> anyone know if theres a way to save favourite servers? 01:01:41 <Sacro> NamedNubcake: yes 01:01:46 <dih> yes 01:01:53 <dih> we know if there is a way :-) 01:01:55 <NamedNubcake> How?! 01:01:55 * Sacro knows 2 people :p 01:02:05 <Sacro> NamedNubcake: i learned it 01:02:16 <Sacro> and as for the 2nd person, he just informed me 01:02:19 <Rubidium> Belugas: but do you want to pay for it? 01:02:24 <Sacro> unless he said yes presuming he knew that i know 01:02:30 <NamedNubcake> Lemme rephrase that, How do u save favourite servers? 01:02:38 <Rubidium> because that's what you have to do (after 30 days) 01:02:39 <Sacro> i add the IP address 01:02:51 <Sacro> Rubidium: you don't *have* to 01:02:53 * Sacro coughs 01:03:14 <Rubidium> on the other hand... Belugas can request a free license 01:03:33 <Sacro> as he likes kittens? 01:03:34 <NamedNubcake> !stats 01:03:55 <SirkoZ> dih 01:04:06 <dih> yes? 01:04:08 <SirkoZ> could you upload the saves? 01:04:14 <NamedNubcake> wats in the latest nightly? 01:04:16 <dih> which ones? 01:04:24 <SirkoZ> first in the 0.6.0 01:04:28 <SirkoZ> beta 2 01:04:40 <Sacro> zomg a SirkoZ! 01:04:48 <Rubidium> NamedNubcake: today's nightly 01:04:53 <dih> SirkoZ: which saves do you want? 01:05:01 <NamedNubcake> Yes 01:05:03 <dih> LOL Rubidium 01:05:03 <SirkoZ> I have made them 01:05:07 <Sacro> heh, you need to proof (sic) that you are a dev 01:05:09 <SirkoZ> one without orders and 1 with 01:05:24 <dih> mail? 01:05:27 <SirkoZ> k 01:05:35 <NamedNubcake> i meant what are the changes? 01:05:50 <Belugas> Rubidium, i can? Sacro, is it good and usefull? 01:06:03 <Rubidium> Belugas: http://www.visualsvn.com/request-license.html 01:06:18 <Sacro> Belugas: yes it is, it basically embeds tortoisesvn into VS 01:07:13 *** Stoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:13 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 01:09:12 <NamedNubcake> Blah blah blah 01:09:21 <Sacro> actually 01:09:24 <Sacro> thats not the one i use 01:09:59 <Sacro> Belugas: http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/ 01:12:48 <Belugas> thanks , me checks 01:13:24 <Sacro> i don't know how well it'll work for a dev 01:13:31 <Sacro> but for someone like me it seems more than enough 01:15:15 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 01:15:20 <Sacro> who is jon? 01:15:44 *** NamedNubcake [~chatzilla@124.149.50.35] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 01:18:52 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-057-247-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently someone who is dead 01:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> like karl ranseier 01:22:10 *** joosa_ [~joosa@heh.fi] has joined #openttd 01:22:54 *** joosa [~joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:22:57 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:23:25 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-057-247-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 01:23:44 <dih> g'night ladies 01:24:34 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-247-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 01:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ranseier 01:28:19 *** Lego- [~Miranda@82.196.89.142] has joined #openttd 01:28:28 *** SirkoZ [~Voodoo_Ma@89.142.21.196] has left #openttd [] 01:31:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:55 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-32-105.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:15 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:15 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:37:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:01 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:03:46 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:03:49 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:34 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:29:32 <Belugas> wow... 02:29:57 <Belugas> ankhsvn is really interesting :) 02:55:40 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06:31 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:50 <Sacro> Belugas: indeed itis 03:08:23 * Belugas hands a space char to Sacro ;) 03:08:34 <Sacro> Belugas: cheers :) i'll use it wisely 03:10:24 <Belugas> lol 03:15:19 * Belugas hates debuging ecs :( 03:16:28 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:20:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:06 <Belugas> grrrrr 03:29:22 <Belugas> getting param on callback 22 :( 03:30:05 <Belugas> problem, our routine for var 7f tries to fetch an industry, which can not be there 03:30:18 <Belugas> since... it's querying for availabilioty 03:31:22 <Belugas> so... big question... does it crash the same in ttdp 03:34:40 <Belugas> nope 03:34:44 <Belugas> damned 03:34:46 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:58 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:53:34 <DaleStan> Belugas: Why does 7F need an industry? 7F is GRF parameter, isn't it? 03:54:52 <Belugas> yes 03:55:18 <Belugas> but our code tries to extract the type out of the industry ptr 03:55:33 <Belugas> an unprotected fnct 03:55:38 <Belugas> fixing it now 03:58:58 <Belugas> i have "protected" var 61, 62 and 7F in our getvariable fnct 03:59:24 <Belugas> the others are refering to industrie, or so i think 03:59:47 <Belugas> rough patch, needs caring a bit 04:03:22 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:03:54 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:05:03 <DaleStan> While you're at it, it might be a good idea to make sure that 7E doesn't try to find its grf via its object either. I'm not aware of any use of it, unfortunately. 04:07:19 <Belugas> ok, will work on it :) 04:07:36 <Belugas> by teh way, prop 24... a bitch on our side :S 04:07:41 <Belugas> really... 04:08:18 <DaleStan> Hmm. Maybe I don't understand "protected", but I wouldn't think that 61 or 62 require protection; they require a current industry. 04:10:00 <DaleStan> Patch's solution (and this is documented somewhere, I believe) is that if a variable (any of the variables, for advanced 2s) is requested that requires a structure, but the structure is not present, the varaction automatically chooses the first choice. 04:10:01 <Belugas> oops... 04:10:57 <Belugas> if you can find that piece of code, it would be very appreciated 04:11:08 <DaleStan> The code, or the documentation? 04:12:53 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:09 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:15 <Belugas> both ^_^ 04:13:21 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 04:13:40 <Belugas> usually, i read the doc over and over, then follows the code after that 04:15:52 <DaleStan> The code starts at newsprit.asm:1080, esi is either 0 or a pointer to the structure. 04:16:41 <Belugas> 0 meaning no struct, i guess 04:16:44 <Belugas> thanks :) 04:17:01 * Belugas opens, prints and goes to sleep 04:17:12 <Belugas> good night 04:19:25 <DaleStan> Belugas: And the documentation is at VariationalAction2#Variable : "When displaying a vehicle (etc.) in the purchase list, the game will show those variations based on external variables (dates etc.) correctly, but variations based on vehicle variables (variables 40+x, 60+x and 80+x) will always show the first (not the default) cargo-ID unless otherwise specified for the given variable. 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#openttd 09:51:06 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:27 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:01:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:24 *** Lego- [~Miranda@82.196.89.142] has joined #openttd 10:12:54 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 10:14:01 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:40 <dih> the crash from yesterday is easy 10:19:53 <dih> and still crashes in nightlies 10:20:28 <dih> build 2 stations next to each other with controll build 10:20:50 <dih> build a third station with ctrl build, so it touches both stations 10:21:00 <dih> sorry - 10:21:08 <dih> i'll give you a save, makes it easier 10:21:51 <Rubidium> who did make those 'joined' stations possible? 10:23:46 <dih> i have no idea, but the stations get confused 10:24:12 <dih> so when a train is there loading, and you turn it around so that all of a sudden the train is on another station, it crashes 10:24:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 10:24:34 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 10:24:39 * Rubidium slaps Wolf01 10:25:24 <dih> LOL 10:25:37 <dih> you found out who did them? 10:26:02 <Rubidium> yes 10:26:06 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 10:26:12 <Rubidium> it's not that hard to find out 10:26:22 <Rubidium> as long as you know where lines of code have been added 10:27:09 * SmatZ is scared because he could cause this bug to appear 10:27:24 <dih> :-) 10:27:28 <SmatZ> what FS# are you talking about? 10:27:38 <dih> no fs 10:27:50 <Rubidium> FS#<yet to be determined> 10:27:51 <dih> but i guess that was a subtle hint 10:32:55 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:33:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54125.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:05 * dih is waiting to get the fs # 10:39:29 <dih> eitherway - this is the save http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/station_crash.sav 10:39:53 <dih> as company 7 (cheat :-P) turn the train around once it starts loading 10:41:00 <dih> FS 1632 10:41:08 <dih> SmatZ: ^ for you :-) 10:41:22 <SmatZ> dih: thanks :) 10:42:23 <dih> good luck :-D 10:45:57 <SmatZ> dih: http://88.146.45.107/ttd/ttt.png reverse one of these trains? 10:46:29 <dih> no - the save is right at the train you need to reverse 10:46:32 <dih> train 111 10:46:34 <dih> iirc 10:46:59 <dih> SmatZ: last 3 lines are all for you ^^ 10:47:18 <SmatZ> aha:) 10:47:19 <SmatZ> sorry 10:48:52 <dih> why would i give you a save where you have to go looking for thing thing in the map?? 10:48:55 <dih> :-P 10:49:05 <dih> i am sure some people would do that... but me? 10:49:07 <dih> ^^ 10:50:48 <SmatZ> :-) 10:52:27 <dih> so - you like it? something to work with? 10:53:08 * roboboy away 10:53:27 <dih> ^ apparently he was still here to leave that message 10:54:16 <Rubidium> but when you saw it he was gone 10:54:28 <dih> hehe 10:54:35 <SmatZ> openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/trunk/src/station.cpp:187: uint Station::GetPlatformLength(TileIndex) const: Assertion `TileBelongsToRailStation(tile)' failed. 10:54:38 <SmatZ> :-) 10:54:43 <dih> yep 10:54:50 <dih> everytime 10:55:00 * Rubidium doesn't like 50+ kB savegames for reproducing bugs 10:55:08 <SmatZ> when a train is reversing, it goes one tile forward and one tile back... 10:55:43 <SmatZ> *tick 10:55:48 <SmatZ> or how it should be called 11:08:44 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:00 * SmatZ thinks his patch didn't cause this problem :) 11:12:04 <peter__> smells simple to fix though 11:12:17 *** G [~njones@202-154-147-109.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 11:22:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:22:58 * dih knows what could be done to the way to long server list :-D 11:23:58 <peter__> filter it 11:24:08 * Rubidium too 11:24:10 <peter__> don't show any server except the current version, heh 11:24:28 <dih> join, create company, build 2 stations and a train :-D 11:24:29 <peter__> luser bug report: "there are no servers!" 11:24:37 <dih> hehe 11:25:08 <Rubidium> dih: mine is simpler 11:25:16 <peter__> shut down the master server :D 11:25:17 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:20 <dih> yes - bit _i_ cannot do your way 11:25:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:26:05 <Rubidium> poor soul 11:26:09 <dih> ^^ 11:26:35 <peter__> mental note: out of bounds array access causes undefined behaviour 11:26:37 <Rubidium> actually... you can do it too 11:26:39 <dih> the server list was half that a year ago 11:26:44 *** Hendikins|QLD is now known as Hendikins 11:26:44 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 11:27:49 <Rubidium> but I'm not going to tell you how 11:27:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:37 <Rubidium> hmm... 532 NewGRFs 11:28:51 <Gonozal_VIII> whatwhere? 11:29:05 <Gonozal_VIII> grfcrawler doesn't have that many 11:29:22 <Rubidium> servers.openttd.org knows 532 distinct NewGRFs 11:29:29 <peter__> heh 11:29:37 <Gonozal_VIII> nice 11:29:46 <Gonozal_VIII> and i don't know them all :-/ 11:29:58 <Gonozal_VIII> how should i decide which to use when i don't know all 11:30:09 * Gonozal_VIII cries 11:30:20 * dih slaps Gonozal_VIII 11:30:25 <dih> pull yaself together man 11:30:32 <Gonozal_VIII> *sniff* 11:30:38 <dih> how many times do i have to tell you not to cry in public channels? 11:30:51 <Gonozal_VIII> 532 times! 11:31:00 <dih> get a grip 11:33:07 <dih> 532 unique grf's probably means tons of old versions ^^ 11:33:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm unique md5 sum or grfid? 11:34:10 <dih> even with the grfid some authors choose a diff one for the next version 11:34:38 <peter__> unique md5 sum 11:34:54 <dih> nice ^^ 11:35:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F875.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess that's a lot less then with grfids 11:36:03 <Gonozal_VIII> for example georges ecs vectors get updated a lot 11:49:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:57 <peter__> heh, dell's online pc configurer 11:50:06 <peter__> preliminary ship date - 22/08/2007 11:50:12 <peter__> i get it in the past :D 11:50:36 <Rubidium> order it... and complain that you haven't received it yet immediatelly 11:51:12 <peter__> at it goes up to £700 to get a decent system, i won't ;p 11:58:44 *** Lego- [~Miranda@82.196.89.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:09:21 *** Osai is now known as Guest2594 12:09:22 *** Osai 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resistance) / (mass * 4), is 4 a scale factor? 14:52:19 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:09 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has joined #openttd 14:57:04 <Digitalfox> Normal behavior http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Digitalfox/planescrashed.png ? 14:57:46 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@212-123-183-149.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:51 <Digitalfox> Also normal behavior http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Digitalfox/planes2.png ? 15:07:16 <dih> now if you add what you did ^^ 15:07:23 <peter__> huh? 15:08:46 <Digitalfox> it's simple build an airport, and after ordering two planes to it remove the airport, the planes will crash and then you can terraform even with plnaes on it 15:08:54 <SmatZ> yes 15:09:03 <SmatZ> similiar with disaster vehicles 15:09:10 <SmatZ> you can even level land under a submarine :-P 15:09:26 <Digitalfox> ok 15:10:39 <Digitalfox> But isn't it a liitle strange being able to level land with them on it? Shouln't they at least be removed 15:10:52 <peter__> hmm 15:10:57 <peter__> that should be blocked 15:11:13 <Digitalfox> well in 2 second shot it isn't :( 15:15:37 <SmatZ> I was considering fixind this and the problem with disaster vechiles too, but I haven't had time yet 15:16:40 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@212-123-183-149.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:18:34 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d043931.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:41 <Roujin> g'day 15:22:43 <SmatZ> hello Roujin 15:24:10 <Roujin> @devs: has anyone by chance looked at my "advanced terraform step 2" patch? is there any chance to have it in trunk? and last but not least - if not, where are the offending points? 15:26:42 <Roujin> it does some changes to levelling, in my eyes they are good but maybe you got something to complain about 15:27:37 <Roujin> e.g. i changed the callback to the terraforming one - that means terraforming sound instead of explosion sound and error displayed if it (completely) fails 15:27:58 <Roujin> complete list of changes is in my thread in the forum 15:29:08 *** Lord [~Lord@guest-docking-nat-1-155.ethz.ch] has joined #openttd 15:30:05 <Lord> Hello Ludde or glx, could it be that in TTD English and American town names are exactly the same? 15:32:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:34:13 <Lord> or anybody else, if you know... :-) 15:35:44 <Maedhros> well, openttd doesn't have an american town-name generator, so in that sense, yes ;) 15:37:59 <Lord> Yeah I've seen that, but I kinda need to know for original TTD. They seem to consist of the very same parts in TTD, and since OpenTTD used just exactly the english ones for american, I thought it might be so. Besides, in the original TTD executable I can only find one block of name parts data, so... 15:38:39 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.85] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 15:47:09 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:47 <Roujin> uhm.. another noobish question from me again: what is the correct place to add a string? 15:49:22 <Roujin> does it depend on what kind of string it is? or just append it to the end of the language file? 15:49:42 *** Lord [~Lord@guest-docking-nat-1-155.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:52:52 <Belugas> preferably at the end of the file, or in a block related to the topic 15:53:08 <Belugas> never heard of an american town name in ttd 15:53:20 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:20 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 15:53:55 <Belugas> big difference between language name (american is a valid lang... well.. valid... anyway) and townname 15:55:08 <glx> Roujin: but if you add it in the middle be careful as it can invalidate "TTD mapping" 15:55:17 <Roujin> ok, then am i right that a) the hex numbers in the names are only for original TTD strings 15:55:35 <peter__> yeah, they're meaningless really 15:55:51 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 15:56:07 <glx> they are only useful to notice when we must add a mapping ;) 15:56:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:56:14 <Roujin> glx: i've seen blocks labeled like "don't change order of this" 15:56:34 <Roujin> if i don't mess with these, it's all okay? 15:56:48 <glx> usually those blocks are use in menu or start + offset 15:57:40 <Roujin> but if it doesn't say in the file don't change the order of this block, i can insert something inbetween, right? 15:58:13 <Roujin> like, between STR_0809_CAN_T_LOWER_LAND_HERE and STR_080A_ROCKS 15:58:57 <pv2b> str_080a_sucks 15:59:41 <Roujin> i mean, elrail string was also inserted between rail and monorail because it fits best there.. 16:00:32 <SmatZ> Roujin: it doesn't matter 16:00:50 <Roujin> great, another thing learned :) 16:01:07 <glx> <Roujin> i mean, elrail string was also inserted between rail and monorail because it fits best there.. <-- it's a menu items list IIRC 16:01:46 <Roujin> oh so it was _necessary_ to add it exactly there.. 16:01:48 <Roujin> i see 16:02:35 <SmatZ> hmm yes, some strings need to be in given order, without anything between them 16:02:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11791 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp railtypes.h table/railtypes.h): -Cleanup: move railtype data into table/, like other data files. 16:03:04 <Roujin> hmm where i just added something in between will definately not be in a menu... but it could be adressed with offset :/ 16:03:21 <Roujin> could error messages be adressed with start+offset? 16:03:30 <glx> a quick search in code can help 16:03:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11786 /trunk/src/ (road_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: shuffle more includes 16:03:43 <glx> lol 16:07:15 <LeviathNL> why does CIA-1 show an old commit? 16:07:43 <peter__> because it was broken 16:08:19 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: because it got the email just a few minutes ago 16:15:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm there should be a vote system for requested features, where all features that people want to have in the game are listed, those with the most votes first, everybody can add new requests and vote for his favourites... then devs and other people who make patches can look there for inspirations/user priorities 16:15:50 <Digitalfox> It's a nice idea why not create a topic Gonozal_VIII ? :) 16:16:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think the forum offers the right tools for that 16:17:06 <Digitalfox> It does allow a vote system to be included in a topic, and you can always add more options to chose if i'm not mistaken 16:17:20 <Digitalfox> But i guess the wike would be a nice place.. 16:17:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm thinking of a seperate list, one page, only one line per feature with descriptive name and vote count and the name is a link to the forum post 16:18:22 <Gonozal_VIII> that way you have a fast overview 16:19:02 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: and then? Because many people vote for something the devs MUST implement it? 16:19:17 <Gonozal_VIII> no of course not 16:19:34 <Rubidium> the only thing it will do is create more misunderstanding between developers and users 16:19:35 <Digitalfox> No Rubidium but it could give ideas for dev's if at some stage they don't know what to do 16:20:00 <Gonozal_VIII> or don't know what to do first... which is more likely 16:20:04 <frosch123> There is already at least on feature request list on the wiki 16:20:19 <Rubidium> Digitalfox: flyspray is a very good way to find stuff that can be done 16:20:25 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but with a live vote system 16:20:50 <Gonozal_VIII> http://topwebcomics.com/ <-- something like that 16:21:14 <Digitalfox> Rubidium: Yes it's true.. 16:22:27 <LeviathNL> Gonozal_VIII, how about something like this http://www.iheartrant.com/ ? 16:23:32 <LeviathNL> several categories only the voting system needs someadjustments. 16:24:19 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... only boolean vote instead of 1-6 stars or something 16:24:39 <LeviathNL> indeed, I was thinking thumbs up/down 16:25:15 <LeviathNL> it's opensource so we should be able to set something up quite fast 16:26:50 <Noldo> Gonozal_VIII: it's not people wanting something that makes it happen 16:27:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't say that it has to be done in that order 16:27:41 <Gonozal_VIII> devs can decide what they want to do, i don't want to change that 16:28:34 <Gonozal_VIII> but if they have to decide between different things to do next they can look what the users want the most 16:28:44 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: but voters won't think like you I fear 16:29:47 <Digitalfox> Well if in the start of the reading it said is just a user wish not developers wish, i guess people would understand :) 16:30:02 <Digitalfox> But some people are stange, so... 16:30:06 <Noldo> also it's more productive so that people actually doing something are doing features they are interested in 16:30:07 <Digitalfox> *strange 16:30:21 <glx> how many read the previous posts before rplying? 16:30:56 <Gonozal_VIII> and devs could flag the requests with things like "impossible with current code", "would be very hard to do" or something like that 16:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> and who would moderate that list? 16:31:18 <Gonozal_VIII> why would it need moderating? 16:31:36 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: nothing is impossible and what use has flagging something with 'is hard' 16:32:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know... that were just some random flags^^ 16:32:57 <Rubidium> I'd only flag them with: "I'm currently not interested in coding this" 16:33:13 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, why not... 16:36:05 <Rubidium> because that comment is utterly useless 16:40:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11792 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move some (virtually) globally included AI related structs to a place where they are only included a few times. 16:41:15 <Gonozal_VIII> is that part of noai flowing into trunk? 16:41:35 <Roujin> i've finished a new version of my patch that fixes some terraform stuff. (had a little bug in first version) 16:42:10 <Roujin> would be nice if someone could have a look at it :) 16:42:49 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: no 16:43:42 <Rubidium> it will (once synced) make the number of lines in non-AI files that are changed considerably smaller 16:44:06 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 16:44:24 * Gonozal_VIII pretends to understand that 16:45:13 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.43] has joined #openttd 16:46:38 <Roujin> lol, i should check my diffs before uploading them 16:47:07 <Rubidium> everyone should 16:47:16 <Roujin> return (flags & DC_EXEC) ? cost : cost; <--- embarassing line 16:48:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i got the idea with the list because i thought there are so many things that could be done, so many great features waiting to be implemented, if i were a def, i would appreciate to know what the users want the most 16:48:35 <hylje> Roujin: haha 16:48:38 <glx> Roujin: nice one ;) 16:49:12 <frosch123> Gonozal_VIII: I guess that only applies to a commerical project. 16:49:19 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that the same as return cost; ? 16:49:57 <Roujin> yep :P that's why the line is embarassing ^^ 16:50:24 <hylje> there should be a static code analyzer that smacks the dev for silly stuff 16:50:28 <hylje> (like that) 16:50:47 <Roujin> well i once had something that made sense written there... 16:51:03 <Rubidium> on the other hand... there is too little context to see whether it is absolutely bogus 16:51:13 <Roujin> then i decided to remove it (or rather change the code somewhere else to archieve the same) 16:51:43 <hylje> Roujin: x ? y : y returns y no matter what 16:51:47 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498F40D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:49 <hylje> Rubidium* 16:51:51 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:52:15 <Roujin> well i had x ? y : y + something; 16:52:17 <Roujin> then i removed the +something; ;) 16:52:32 <Rubidium> hylje: and what when I do #define y "some magic" ? 16:52:39 <hylje> then it's just bad. 16:56:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11793 /trunk/src/ (27 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: pass the expense type via the CommandCost instead of a global variable. Patch by Noldo (FS#1114). 16:56:49 <Gonozal_VIII> global variables are eeeeeevil! 16:59:05 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 16:59:09 <Roujin> oh 16:59:25 <Roujin> off i go fixing my patch for 11793 :P 17:00:12 <Gonozal_VIII> you want to sync it with every rev? 17:00:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hf^^ 17:01:26 <Rubidium> I just broke his patch 17:02:27 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... 17:04:55 <Roujin> ok it didn't break :D 17:05:00 <Roujin> i thought it would :P 17:05:49 <Roujin> but the changes of this trunk update and my patch in one file entwine nicely ^^ 17:09:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-142-35.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:10:07 <LeviathNL> Gonozal_VIII, http://145.94.37.133/openttd_suggest/ :P 17:10:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11794 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#1632]: reversing a train when loading at a station with an adjacent station in the same axis crashed. 17:15:17 <Roujin> that's a weird bug 17:15:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11785 /trunk/src/ (bridge.h build_vehicle_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: remove some unneeded includes. 17:17:03 <Roujin> LeviathNL: nice, but it says "Submit rant" on the submit button... :P 17:18:10 <LeviathNL> I know, I'm just exploring the code, the source is from Iheartrant.com 17:18:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:54 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:00 <Belugas> [11:24] <Digitalfox> No Rubidium but it could give ideas for dev's if at some stage they don't know what to do <--- lol... as if it can be possible :D 17:21:28 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i thought the same, but i didn't want to say it outloud ;) 17:26:40 <LA[lord]> is it possible to code a grf that has different sprites when they are in air and when they have landed? 17:26:55 <Rubidium> yes 17:27:04 <Rubidium> assuming you mean aircraft 17:27:14 <LA[lord]> yes 17:27:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:27:39 <Roujin> goodbye folks, i'm off for now 17:28:21 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d043931.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 17:28:26 <LA[lord]> so it's possible in example to have an aircraft with some stuff (like a flag or something...) when flying and when it has landed it doesn't have flag? 17:28:30 <LA[lord]> behind it 17:28:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host35-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:29:14 <Wolf01> hello 17:29:29 <LA[lord]> hello 17:29:55 <glx> LA[lord]: callbacks can do that yes 17:29:58 <frosch123> LA[lord]: IIRC the concorde is using that in either av8 or planeset or both 17:30:17 <LA[lord]> oh good :) 17:31:08 <DaleStan> That's not callbacks. Real sprites and callbacks operate almost entirely independently. 17:31:33 <DaleStan> It's just basic varaction 2s. 17:32:07 <glx> still an action 2 chain ;) 17:32:30 <LA[lord]> so not very simple I guess :D 17:34:34 <DaleStan> But it's not a callback. Callbacks are harder to grasp than sprite lookups. (Or they were for me, anyway.) 17:35:43 <dih> thanks glx: just saw the commit 17:36:05 <glx> dih: nasty layout ;) 17:36:20 <dih> yes 17:36:24 <dih> but it found a bug 17:36:26 <dih> ^^ 17:36:32 <dih> i never built it :-D 17:37:40 <LA[lord]> hmm... DaleStan if I would be willing to learn well and would not bother you too much, would you be willing to teach me some things about those callbacks and action2 chains? someday, if you have the time, patience and mood? 17:38:13 <LA[lord]> brb 17:38:24 <DaleStan> The best way to learn is by doing, IMO. But if it's not working, and NFORenum isn't providing useful hints, feel free to ask. 17:42:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:47:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11795 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Fix [FS#1616]: take town rating into account when testing if a command can be executed. 17:51:23 *** frosch123 [~mtce@poisson.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:12 *** peter__ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:55:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:07 *** Lego- [~Miranda@84.204.101.17] has joined #openttd 18:01:31 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:08:26 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:10:09 *** ln- is now known as ln 18:10:33 *** ln is now known as ln- 18:11:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11796 /branches/noai/ (454 files in 24 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r11502:11795. 18:12:08 <dih> heh - there is no-ai development ^^ 18:12:13 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:12:18 <Wolf01> no, only syncing 18:12:22 <glx> sync is not dev 18:12:25 <dih> :-( 18:12:34 <peter__> hi 18:12:37 <dih> hello 18:12:40 <Wolf01> hi peter__! 18:14:03 <Wolf01> :O translating "games for the wii" with google translator in italian the result is games for the playstation 18:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11797 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_industries.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h): 18:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Add protection against not already created industry while doing industry callback. 18:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Some variables used were linked to invalid industry. 18:16:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> sync is a "we have not completely given up hope yet" 18:26:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:31:05 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-056-213-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:11 <peter__> sync is for washing up 18:35:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11798 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: add comments and give a more representative function's name 18:38:41 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c06.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:38:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:50:36 <Wolf01> Bjarni :) 18:50:47 <Sacro> Bjarni :) 18:58:20 <ln-> Bjarni :D 19:00:23 <Digitalfox> Bjarni:) 19:01:21 <Belugas> Bjarni :( 19:01:34 <Wolf01> d'oh i can't always start this madness XD 19:01:45 <Belugas> lol 19:02:18 <LA[lord]> yes you can.. Bjarni :) 19:06:41 * Bjarni concentrate on Belugas' greeting 19:06:47 <Bjarni> the rest is as it should be 19:06:49 <Bjarni> almost 19:07:14 <Bjarni> I mean... you should all kneel and hail me 19:07:30 <Bjarni> anyway it's nice to see that you are happy that I survived 19:07:34 <LA[lord]> Digitalfox's smiley doesn't sho up nicelty, kick him Bjarni whie you still can :lol: 19:07:41 <LA[lord]> while* 19:07:56 <Bjarni> it looks just fine here 19:07:57 <Bjarni> :) 19:08:04 <Bjarni> that's a proper smiley 19:08:07 <glx> it's ok here too 19:08:24 <LA[lord]> he doesn't have a space between your name and smiley 19:08:29 <Bjarni> :lol: <-- however this isn't 19:08:30 * glx kicks LA[lord] for using a client needing a space 19:09:02 <LA[lord]> Bah, what's wrong with ChatZilla... 19:09:34 <glx> LA[lord]: crash firefox and you'll see ;) 19:09:39 * Bjarni came home from a foreign country today 19:09:45 <Bjarni> that was some experience.... 19:09:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:10:08 * Belugas hugs Bjarni 19:10:16 <Bjarni> everywhere around me people spoke.... Swedish :s 19:10:17 * LA[lord] wonders of a safe mode to crash FF 19:10:40 * Belugas goes in work@work testing mode... 19:10:47 * Digitalfox also hugs Bjarni and now with a proper smile for LA[lord] :) 19:10:58 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:26 * LA[lord] is satisfied but doesn't hug Bjarni, only shakes hand and is happy that Bjarni wasn't eaten by the Swedes 19:11:31 <Digitalfox> Witch country were you in Bjarni ? 19:11:44 <Bjarni> I find it odd that it's so tricky to get proper LAN stuff (for permanent installation) in Denmark while it's always in stock in Sweden at a very low price 19:11:53 <Bjarni> just 100 meters from the ferry landing 19:12:04 <LA[lord]> *conspiracy* 19:12:26 <Digitalfox> oh Sweden.. That's cool, would love to spend some holidays there :) 19:12:33 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox> Witch country were you in Bjarni ? <-- I went to Hungary... the country where I expect everybody to speak Swedish :P 19:13:03 * LA[lord] is going to switch the IRC client to HydraIRC 19:13:13 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:13:21 <Digitalfox> Huh? But Bjarni you're from Germany right? 19:13:41 <Bjarni> when I was about to go home I missed a ferry and the next one broke and was withdrawn from service 19:14:03 <Bjarni> so I spent almost 40 minutes waiting for a working one to take me home :( 19:14:19 <Bjarni> Digitalfox: no 19:14:25 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:14:31 <Bjarni> in fact I haven't been to Germany 19:14:54 <Bjarni> bbl 19:15:16 <Digitalfox> No? So where are you from? i was under the impression you were from Germany :) 19:15:57 <LA[lord]> Come on DF, does Bjarni sound like German to you?... It's looogicaal he is from Paraguay 19:16:05 <LA[lord]> :P 19:16:55 <LA[lord]> my god, this thing doesn't show smileys at all... 19:17:00 <LA[lord]> :( 19:17:46 * LA[lord] continues reading "The Three Musketeels" 19:18:15 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-227-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:18:20 <Draakon> hello 19:18:28 <Digitalfox> LA[lord]: Does anyone have volunteer to replace GUI sprites? 19:19:18 <LA[lord]> I don't have any volunteer :D 19:19:51 <LA[lord]> and no-one has volunteered too 19:20:20 <Draakon> i don't know how do draw 19:20:22 <Draakon> and code 19:20:43 <LA[lord]> that's an unfortunate case then.... next please 19:24:12 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 19:24:54 <Draakon> perhaps teach me then? ;D 19:25:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:26:31 <LA[lord]> quoting Belugas, you need to consultate Skidd14 for graphics lessons :D 19:26:40 <LA[lord]> and coding... ttdpatch wiki 19:26:50 <LA[lord]> new graphics specs 19:26:58 <dih> no - dont let him bother skidd ^^ 19:27:57 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:48 <LA[lord]> why dih? 19:28:58 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:00 <dih> well... 19:29:44 <LA[lord]> that said *alot* 19:29:55 <LA[lord]> :P 19:30:11 <dih> ^^ 19:30:23 <Draakon> i was kidding 19:30:33 <dih> i was not ^^ 19:30:41 <Draakon> why? 19:31:13 <LA[lord]> because Skidd15 might have something better to do? Like drawing newgrf ports? 19:31:31 <Draakon> i can draw but not very well 19:32:09 <LA[lord]> and that's how dih managed to escape w/o reasoning of his statements 19:32:43 <Draakon> still i want to know the reason, dih 19:33:07 <dih> tough 19:34:40 <LA[lord]> what happened di, why can'r you say more than one word :( need ambulance? :D 19:34:49 <LA[lord]> dih* 19:34:58 <dih> phone 19:35:34 <Draakon> dih thinks that i fooled a person called Cia 19:35:53 <Draakon> or someone else that is called like that 19:36:02 <dih> nope 19:36:09 <LA[lord]> another much meaning one sentence...and another one 19:36:10 <dih> i just asked 19:36:31 <LA[lord]> Cia... that sounds like cia|Pavel_css 19:36:40 <LA[lord]> or something like that :D 19:36:54 <Draakon> then whats up with you about me? today your like angry at me or smt 19:39:10 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:41:10 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7887B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:42:41 <dih> Draakon: i merely asked if it was you - with no further implication 19:43:28 * LA[lord] dusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at Draakon 19:43:48 * Draakon kills LA with RPG 19:44:06 <LA[lord]> haha 19:44:12 <LA[lord]> failed.. again 19:44:18 * dih takes Draakon, slowly cuts him into little pieces, and finally desolves them in very strong acid 19:44:20 <Draakon> no 19:44:36 <dih> ^^ 19:44:39 <dih> j/k 19:44:45 <LA[lord]> yea right... 19:44:51 * Draakon has a regen ability, so he is alive again and nukes the whole earth so everyone besides me is dead 19:44:57 <LA[lord]> you think we believe you, dih? 19:44:57 <Bjarni> back 19:45:06 <LA[lord]> Bjarni :) 19:45:14 <dih> Draakon: stop pm'ing me 19:45:18 <dih> hello Bjarni 19:45:21 <Draakon> why? 19:45:31 * dih considers using /ignore 19:45:35 <Draakon> as these things arent talked here 19:45:45 <dih> there is nothing to talk about 19:45:47 <Bjarni> <LA[lord]> Come on DF, does Bjarni sound like German to you?... It's looogicaal he is from Paraguay <-- well... I can actually speak with the people in Germany... I can't in Paraguay.... 19:46:01 <LA[lord]> :D 19:46:03 <Draakon> yes there is 19:46:03 <LA[lord]> j/k 19:46:19 <Bjarni> in that case 19:46:29 <Bjarni> LA[lord] has no sense of funny humour 19:46:54 * LA[lord] got kicked from #OpenTTD by Bjarni. Reason: Lack of humour 19:47:02 <Belugas> funny humour? is there a furious humour? 19:47:05 <Belugas> or a sad humour? 19:47:08 <dih> LOL 19:47:17 <LA[lord]> there is black humour... 19:47:24 <Bjarni> that's the funny kind 19:47:37 <dih> ^^ 19:47:46 <Belugas> lol 19:47:51 <dih> hello Belugas 19:48:19 <Belugas> hey 19:49:41 <Draakon> anyone has a piece of code from a random grf to show me so i can study it? 19:49:48 <LA[lord]> ok.. The LackOfHumourLA farewells you all now.. 19:49:54 <LA[lord]> and goes to sleep 19:49:56 <LA[lord]> bye 19:50:14 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:50:32 <dih> bye 19:54:34 <Bjarni> like this one... there was a guy who found a bottle and it turned out that there was a genie in it. He set it free so he got 3 wishes. I thought about it and told the genie what he wanted and puff he was in a mansion and had a lot of money and hot women all around him and he became very happy. Then it knocked on the door and he went and opened it. Outside was two guys in all white cloth. They even covered their heads in white cloth. 19:54:34 <Bjarni> They caught him, took him to a nearby tree and hung him. Then the two guys walked away and took off their "hats" and it turned out that one of them were the genie. The genie said "thanks for your help. I can understand the wishes for wealth and women but I really don't get why he wanted to be 'hung like a black guy'" <-- I guess this is an example of black humour 19:55:57 <Draakon> very funny.... NOT! 19:56:13 <Bjarni> I said it was black humour 19:56:26 <Bjarni> didn't say this one was particular funny 19:57:12 <Draakon> i got better one: why blonds don't buy KIA(the car) 19:57:28 <Draakon> i let you guys to think for a bit 19:57:34 <Draakon> then i give the answer 19:58:30 <Bjarni> I wouldn't buy one either due to safety and how environmentally unfriendly they are 19:58:36 <Bjarni> but I guess that's not the answer 19:58:37 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 <dih> hehe 19:59:03 <dih> but that was funny ^^ 19:59:22 <Draakon> real answer is: blonds mobile phone says: NOKIA 19:59:41 <Draakon> aka NO KIA 19:59:46 <Bjarni> I get it 20:00:01 <Bjarni> but I don't get why it should be funny 20:00:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:00:18 <dih> and i dont get why it needs 'laying out' for us!!! 20:00:19 <Bjarni> in fact I find it so lame that it's almost funny that you consider it an ok joke 20:00:34 <dih> no - you are mixing sad and funny now 20:01:05 <dih> sad can though be that sad that it in turn becomes amusing ^^ 20:01:20 <Bjarni> I see that a lot on IRC 20:01:24 <Gonozal_VIII> what're you talking about? 20:01:31 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:01:31 <Bjarni> !logs 20:01:47 <Draakon> ok i got another one 20:01:50 <Bjarni> Draakon would eat me alive if I copy pasted that joke again 20:01:57 <Bjarni> well... he would try to do so 20:01:58 <Draakon> Why blonds don't talk while they sex? 20:02:05 <Noldo> hmm, CFollowTrackRoadNo90 20:02:12 <Bjarni> they can't multitask? 20:02:16 <dih> oh man - see what you started with one joke Bjarni? 20:02:38 <Bjarni> that's ok 20:02:41 <Bjarni> sort of 20:02:47 <dih> :-S 20:02:49 <Draakon> Answer: because hes mother told not to talk whit strangers and its nice to talk with full mouth 20:02:49 <Bjarni> I still got the ability to kick 20:02:52 <Noldo> okish 20:03:17 * dih misses that ability in this channel ^^ 20:03:27 <dih> for _one_ reason only ^^ 20:03:30 <Draakon> Why do blondes have TGIF on their shirts? 20:03:44 <Draakon> Tits Go In Front! 20:03:49 <dih> why does draakon not understand stfu 20:04:01 <glx> Draakon: you can stop now 20:04:11 <dih> ycsn ^^ 20:05:07 <Draakon> dih: you asked for it and besides you are the first on to tell me to stop so stop complaining like that 20:05:23 * dih slaps Draakon 20:05:26 <dih> get a grip 20:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 20:50:36 < Wolf01> Bjarni :) 20:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 20:50:47 < Sacro> Bjarni :) 20:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 20:58:20 < ln-> Bjarni :D 20:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 21:00:23 < Digitalfox> Bjarni:) 20:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 21:01:21 <@Belugas> Bjarni :( 20:07:36 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 20:07:51 <dih> lol 20:09:08 <Wolf01> too late, not valid 20:09:30 <Bjarni> it is 20:09:33 <Bjarni> sort of 20:09:52 <Bjarni> he wanted to declare that he worships me too 20:09:58 <Bjarni> it's never too late to do that 20:10:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 21:13:21 < Digitalfox> Huh? But Bjarni you're from Germany right? <-- muha 20:10:53 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody knows that you're from japan! 20:11:10 <dih> ^^ 20:12:59 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Don't be silly. 20:13:16 <Prof_Frink> He's from the Bjarnia. 20:13:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7EBDF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:14 <dih> LOL Prof_Fink 20:16:10 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: you won the 6 highlights for nothing prize 20:17:14 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 20:17:20 <Gonozal_VIII> wat do i get? 20:18:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have highlight, the channel is never that busy 20:19:04 <Draakon> a free gift card from world wide nuclear shop? 20:19:08 <Draakon> xD 20:19:23 <Gonozal_VIII> world wide nuclear shop? :S 20:19:39 <Draakon> oeh 20:19:47 <Draakon> 'not getting the joke are we? 20:19:47 <Gonozal_VIII> is that where you buy all your nuclear weapons? 20:19:51 <Draakon> yes 20:19:52 <dih> chinese baby toys ^^ 20:20:08 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B523A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:24 <Draakon> yup 20:24:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11799 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_engine.cpp newgrf_engine.h): -Codechange: no need to special-case helicopter rotor 'overrides' 20:25:45 <Draakon> but what would be japan baby toys? 20:26:38 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-056-213-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 20:26:59 *** Lego- is now known as Lego-|irc 20:27:13 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-227-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:37:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-209.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:41:09 <ln-> the Jem'Hadar 20:41:30 <dih> ? 20:42:18 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 20:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln- watched too much star trek, don't pay too much attention to him :p 20:43:20 <dih> bim him out scotty 20:44:12 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 20:46:47 * Belugas thinks Jem'Hadar is more related to Dune... but maybe he's wrong... 20:47:54 <ln-> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jem%27Hadar 20:48:44 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, i thought of dune first too 20:49:07 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:14 <Belugas> Gum Jabar, maybe? 20:49:17 <Belugas> bah.... 20:49:23 * Belugas heads done to work 20:49:38 <peter__> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html 20:52:55 <Wolf01> http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/5639/2020/1600/GoogleEarth_Image.0.jpg :O 20:53:17 <Wolf01> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/800px-Meet041127c.0.jpg <- 20:53:58 <Bjarni> heh 20:54:03 <dih> :-) 20:54:29 <Bjarni> looks like the railroad tracks goes under the houses 20:54:37 <Bjarni> just like a building here 20:54:45 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:46 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:54:48 <Bjarni> well... they removed the building like 2 years ago 20:55:19 <Bjarni> but it looked funny... it looked like a regular apartment/office building and then there was a tunnel in it for the railroad 20:55:25 <Bjarni> (the railroad came first) 20:55:39 <Bjarni> now the building is gone but the railroad remain 20:56:10 <hylje> Wolf01: was that building designed to confuse aerial viewers? 20:56:11 <Wolf01> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&amp;amp;amp;amp;t=k&ll=41.89477,-87.628648&spn=0.002803,0.005016&t=k seem that here there is something wrong o_O 20:57:46 <dih> ^^ 20:59:03 * dih wonders how long Wolf01 was searching google maps for to find nidbits like this 20:59:15 <Wolf01> about 2 seconds 20:59:31 <dih> find the next one ^^ 20:59:57 * dih counts the seconds 21:00:30 <Wolf01> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/flying_car_one.jpg 21:00:50 <dih> ^^ 21:00:52 <dih> next 21:00:53 <Wolf01> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/Haunted%20Road.0.jpg this is the best 21:01:14 <dih> hehehe 21:01:38 <dih> i find the odd google maps one better though 21:01:38 <SmatZ> :-D flying car 21:01:48 <Wolf01> http://bp2.blogger.com/_cxmptAPYR-s/ReY9xk3EHGI/AAAAAAAAAZw/HeYWNUFjSeI/s400/3+Planes.jpg the same plane :D 21:01:58 <Rubidium> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=schiphol&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=114.762455,107.402344&ie=UTF8&ll=52.363592,4.712234&spn=0.003043,0.003278&t=h&z=18&om=1 <- missing something? 21:02:30 <hylje> aww 21:02:58 <dih> ^^ 21:03:00 <Wolf01> no, is only too quick :D 21:03:05 <ln-> interesting, another Galaxy class starship 21:03:34 <Wolf01> the scanner was not able to scan it quickly 21:05:09 <Wolf01> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/cuban%20ghost%20ship.jpg the bermuda triangle 21:06:11 <Bjarni> I once looked at the google earth forum for people finding odd stuff 21:06:20 <Bjarni> one showed a pic of himself 21:06:34 <Bjarni> declaring that nobody else enters his garage 21:08:41 <Wolf01> eheh 21:10:22 <ln-> done watching 2/7 21:12:37 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-182-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:12:46 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-182-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:22:11 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:27:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54125.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:35:27 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:11 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:37:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B835AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:39:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:51:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:09 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:37 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:07:48 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-232-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:21 <Wolf01> 'night 22:17:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host35-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:21:18 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:21:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:13 <ln-> so, i have a CustomView component derived from NSView; how do i write event handlers for it? 22:29:54 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 22:31:10 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:48 <Sacro> Rubidium: "There is at least one string that does not have at least one character that is not supported by the built-in font." <- what the hell does that mean? 22:32:10 <Sacro> from what i can tel it means the opposite to what you intend 22:32:57 <Rubidium> that your font sucks 22:33:32 <Rubidium> and my 'writing English for noobs' sucks too 22:33:58 <Sacro> Rubidium: actually it doesn't mean that 22:34:07 <Rubidium> well... it should 22:34:16 <Sacro> from what i can tell... 22:34:21 <Sacro> you use a diouble negative 22:34:49 <Sacro> you need a string that has all chars that the font doesn't support 22:34:55 <Sacro> or something 22:35:00 <Rubidium> as I said... my english sucks (when I rerererererewrote (plus or minus one re) that sentence) 22:35:21 <Rubidium> s/sucks/sucked/ 22:35:24 <Sacro> mmm :p 22:35:27 <ln-> Sacro: where's the straw in a strawberry? 22:35:36 <Sacro> ln-: in the middle 22:36:26 <ln-> i haven't noticed. 22:37:58 <Rubidium> ln-: the straw in strawberry is because of the straw they put over the ground so the strawberries do not touch the ground, but the straw instead 22:39:23 <ln-> ok 22:41:39 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:50 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:46 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-134.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:49:26 <peter__> sleepy time 22:51:38 *** Lego-|irc [~Miranda@84.204.101.17] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM!] 22:59:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:00:15 <Rubidium> DaleStan: do you know what the exact reasons are to not add fish (or disable it) as a cargo when loading ECS Agricultural + NewCargo in this order in TTDP? 23:01:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11802 /trunk/ (16 files in 3 dirs): 23:01:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#716]: do not crash trains when leaving depot to a very long track 23:01:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use dedicated pathfinder for signal updating, resulting in better performance and possible future improvements 23:02:08 <ln-> a fix and a codechange in the same commit? why? 23:02:47 <Rubidium> cause the rewrite of the signal thingy fixes the bug 23:03:00 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 23:08:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11800 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move some functions to a more logical location + some type safety. 23:15:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11801 /trunk/src/ (29 files): -Codechange: remove some unneeded includes from some header files. 23:17:16 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11803 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: unlikely but possible infinite loop leading to undefined behaviour 23:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> how can an infinite loop lead to undefined behaviour? 23:19:45 <Sacro> that is a damned fine point 23:19:48 <peter__> ok, it's defined: it will crash at some point 23:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean, infinite loops tend to not get anywhere 23:20:01 <peter__> depends what it's doing in the loop 23:20:16 <ln-> if it crashes, then it is not infinite. 23:21:11 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:21:22 <Zothar> perhaps it would be infinite if it weren't for it consuming more and more memory on each iteration 23:21:36 <Zothar> for example 23:21:44 <peter__> that would indeed happen 23:21:52 <peter__> anyway, sleepy time 2 23:21:56 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: peter__] 23:22:39 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:16 <ln-> does the Turing machine have infinite memory? no? 23:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> there is a difference between theoretical infinite loops and practical infinite loops 23:28:35 <ln-> if we assume a Turing machine has only unlimited memory, but not infinite, will this memory-leaking loop crash or not? 23:28:36 <glx> while(true){} is infinite 23:29:12 <ln-> and how rude would it be to crash a computer that is purely theoretical? 23:30:50 <Zothar> a Turing machine has finite states, but the tape is unlimited and therefore, infinite, but which do you count as the memory, the state of the machine or the tape? 23:31:26 <Zothar> it would be theoretically very rude to crash a purely theoretical computer, no? 23:31:40 <ln-> i say infinite is greater than unlimited. 23:34:05 <Zothar> but is not inifinte the same as without limit? 23:35:03 <murray> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128343548295781250.jpg 23:35:31 <Zothar> not today anyway... :P 23:35:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F875.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:06 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:42:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 23:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> the tape length of a turing machine is always limited by the time the turing machine is run 23:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is thus only potentially infinite 23:45:24 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:46:05 <ln-> SlÞrningsanordningen fungerer inden for normale parametre. 23:46:55 <ln-> does the turing machine have the concept of "out of memory"? 23:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i'm not sure i understand what a "SlÞrning" is 23:47:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: no 23:47:27 <Zothar> except that the Turing machine is theoretical and the theory calls for an unlimited tape; nothing in the theory talks about how long it is run; just because every location on the theoretical tape isn't accessed by the theoretical machine does not mean that the theoretical tape does not have unlimited storage 23:48:21 <ln-> Die Tarnvorrichtung funktioniert innerhalb normaler Parameter. 23:48:23 <Zothar> if by memory, you mean storage, then a Turing machine does not have the concept of "out of memory"; by definition the machine itself, has, however, a limited set of states and therefore a limited set of instructions because both are finite. 23:49:22 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:47 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7887B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:23 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:38 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #openttd []