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Log for #openttd on 11th February 2009:
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00:04:53  <Eddi|zuHause> not only yours ;)
00:06:06  <Rubidium> oh, lets integrate simsig too ;)
00:06:16  <petern> and openbve
00:06:19  <petern> and ror
00:06:25  <rortom> cool :P
00:07:00  <welshdragon> simsig??
00:07:03  <welshdragon> openbve??
00:07:58  <rortom> you keep growing: https://www.ohloh.net/p/openttd/analyses/latest :)
00:09:01  <rortom> google is your friend ;)
00:10:13  <Sacro> wtf
00:10:17  <Sacro> 385 lines of 'awk'
00:10:21  <Sacro> how did you manage that?
00:10:44  <Rubidium> by writing a few lines of awk ofcourse
00:11:17  <Sacro> a few?
00:11:18  <Roujin> rortom: hah, I can see NoAI :)
00:11:23  <Sacro> that's hardly a "few"
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00:12:41  <Rubidium> it's only 313 lines of awk
00:13:01  <rortom> 300 lines of awk are quite something o_O
00:13:13  <Rubidium> it's a single script
00:13:31  * Prof_Frink rewrites openttd as a 2-line perl script
00:14:09  <Eddi|zuHause> why does it list java when there are 0 lines of it?
00:14:26  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: imports openttd;
00:14:39  <welshdragon> as it is a coding language Eddi|zuHause
00:14:49  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: universal binary?
00:15:10  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but there are >500 more coding languages that could be listed, welshdragon
00:15:10  <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: So's fuckfuck, but that's not listed.
00:15:13  <rortom> strange, maybe there was some java used before, but not recently?
00:15:31  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: point taken
00:15:47  * welshdragon ignores the rude remark of Prof_Frink
00:15:54  <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: No, really.
00:16:10  <Eddi|zuHause> is that a brainfuck dialect?
00:16:20  <Prof_Frink> Yeah
00:16:27  <Prof_Frink> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuckfuck
00:16:45  <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/tags/0.4.0/os/macosx/openttdmidi.java
00:17:05  <welshdragon> we should write openttd in fuckfucjk
00:17:15  <welshdragon> *fuckfuck
00:17:39  <rortom> i bet ohloh wouldnt detect whitespace :p
00:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause> certainly not when it is obfuscated within c code ;)
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00:20:06  <Belugas> Roujin!
00:20:10  <Belugas> rortom!
00:20:14  <rortom> Belugas!
00:20:18  * Belugas !
00:20:22  <Roujin> BaNaNaS!
00:20:28  <Belugas> aPPLES!
00:20:35  <Roujin> orangeS!
00:20:52  <Roujin> r4nd0mn3ss!
00:26:14  <Belugas> ResetButton!
00:27:31  <Roujin> UndoKnob!
00:27:58  <Belugas> o_O
00:28:01  <Belugas> knob
00:28:43  <Belugas> you do understand this is alomost considered as a provocation leading to a possible kick?
00:28:48  <Belugas> do you?
00:28:48  <Roujin> ha, I won :)
00:28:50  <Belugas> mhh?
00:29:04  <Belugas> hehe
00:29:45  <Roujin> If you kick me, I am actually forced to study for my upcoming exam, than spending my nighttime otherwise :(
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00:30:37  <Belugas> is this a supplication?
00:30:45  <petern> is that so?
00:30:54  *** Roujin was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [you wanted to learn for your exam]
00:31:00  <rortom> good decision
00:31:04  <rortom> ;)
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00:32:58  <Belugas> poor guy :)
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00:33:15  <Belugas> riping him out of his only socialisation
00:33:33  <SmatZ> he's back!
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00:33:51  <SmatZ> ah... I thought you were talking about eddi :-p
00:34:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i could have said "nobody helps me writing my thesis either" ;)
00:34:45  <SmatZ> :)
00:35:17  <Rubidium> this kick is for the benefit of the community; now he has a higher chance to pass his exam, so he might finish his education earlier, get a job earlier, donate more earlier ;)
00:35:22  <Belugas> nobody could help you since nobody understand a thing you're saying, Eddi|zuHause
00:35:52  <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: On what is your thesis?
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00:36:15  <Eddi|zuHause> on source code abstraction and analysis
00:36:30  <Eddi|zuHause> cross-language
00:36:47  <kd5pbo> Oh.
00:36:54  <Eddi|zuHause> specifically, a mixture of python and c/c++
00:37:06  <rortom> sounds interesting :)
00:37:34  <Eddi|zuHause> it is, but i have not enough time to do everything i want ;)
00:38:03  <Eddi|zuHause> and i have problems actually writing stuff down
00:38:22  <kd5pbo> Why python and C?
00:38:26  <kd5pbo> Why not Java?
00:38:26  <Belugas> ever trying up?
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00:38:33  <kd5pbo> Nobody's gonna understand what you're writing.
00:38:35  <kd5pbo> :D
00:38:50  <Eddi|zuHause> because the code is in python and c, not in java
00:38:59  <Eddi|zuHause> (it is real world industrial code)
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00:39:25  <kd5pbo> I've noticed that most real world code does not seem to be Java.
00:39:37  <kd5pbo> My professors, however, haven't.
00:40:36  <goodger> kd5pbo: java is the only programming language used in real-world situations, possibly alongside C++ or visual basic
00:40:55  <goodger> if you don't believe that, you're overqualified for your course
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00:41:03  <goodger> and I reckon you're probably at a british university?
00:41:07  <kd5pbo> Nope.
00:41:08  <kd5pbo> US
00:41:22  <kd5pbo> Why?
00:41:23  <Eddi|zuHause> my professor teaches his very own language ;)
00:41:56  <goodger> ah
00:42:08  <goodger> all computing courses in the UK treat java like it's useful
00:42:15  <goodger> I assumed this was limited to the UK
00:42:22  <rortom> i think thats a global knownledge
00:42:30  <rortom> its in germany like that as well ...
00:42:59  <kd5pbo> Same here.
00:43:18  <kd5pbo> For the first two years, Java is treated like it's the only language in existance.
00:43:24  <kd5pbo> All the others have died, or something.
00:43:41  <kd5pbo> Starting with the third year or so, professors seem to assume we know C.
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00:48:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15441 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_info.cpp ai_info.hpp api/ai_industrytype.cpp): -Cleanup: Use a return value instead of passing a pointer to where the result should be stored.
00:48:45  <kd5pbo> My plane takes six months or so to get across the map.
00:48:48  <thingwath> exams, exams, I have passed a formal langauges exam, lala :o)
00:48:51  <kd5pbo> My pasengers must really have to pee.
00:49:27  <Rubidium> that's not that hard
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00:56:54  <Eddi|zuHause> you must study at the wrong universities
00:57:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i have used at least a dozen programming languages
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01:03:33  <Sacro> kd5pbo: we are doing c#, c++, prolog
01:03:50  <Sacro> next year we can do lexx/bison
01:04:30  <kd5pbo> I used prolog once.
01:04:43  <kd5pbo> The lack of return values got to me.
01:05:21  <thingwath> lack of return values?
01:05:38  <kd5pbo> Doesn't prolog not have return values.
01:05:47  <kd5pbo> It was a while ago.
01:07:15  <Rubidium> amanda, asm c, c++, c#, java, haskell, labview, maple, matlab, prolog, vhdl (and I've got the feeling I've forgotten some)
01:07:54  <thingwath> prolog is basicaly only a logic resolution with horn claueses, isn't it?
01:08:06  <SmatZ> Rubidium: vhdl, but not verilog?
01:09:09  <Rubidium> SmatZ: might be, but I don't remember that so clearly anymore
01:12:18  <SmatZ> impressive... my CPU is overheating when I open the case
01:12:25  <SmatZ> but when I close it, it isn't
01:12:42  <fjb> You learned about air flow.
01:13:12  <SmatZ> fjb: shouldn't open case reduce the temperature inside computer?
01:13:29  <kd5pbo> SmatZ: Not necessarily.
01:13:52  <SmatZ> well, the reason is the cooler runs at ~2800 RPM when the case is open... but goes up to ~4000 when it is closed
01:14:47  <SmatZ> so the CPU doesn't overheat
01:14:48  <fjb> SmatZ: No, as the closed cases assures that there is some air flow at the important places.
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01:16:18  <SmatZ> fjb: it's more clever than I thought
01:17:37  <rortom> nite
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01:19:26  <SmatZ> anyway, I blame the thermoregulation of the cooler for this
01:19:48  <SmatZ> if it was controlled by MB, it wouldn't be overheating... and it would be more silent
01:21:08  * Sacro controlled by micheal blunck?
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01:21:25  <fjb> I thought the same at the first moment. :-)
01:21:30  <SmatZ> hehe :)
01:22:14  <fjb> It would only work with main boards made by Intel.
01:24:38  <SmatZ> I got some gigabyte... and it offers CPU FAN RMP regulation too
01:25:09  <SmatZ> it even offers to choose between "regulate voltage / use PWM"
01:25:38  * SmatZ should have a look in his notes what would be the advantage of using PWM...
01:26:19  <fjb> PWM is the new 4 pin connector.
01:26:56  <SmatZ> is this PWM something different than "pulse width modulation"?
01:27:40  <fjb> I thinking about that. At least it uses some clock singal instead of changing the voltage.
01:28:22  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15442 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: don't do magic on magic numbers when you can also use a single named constant.
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01:28:56  <SmatZ> if you send the "pulses" from MB, you don't need 4 pins ... 2 would be enough :) (+ 1 for reading RPM)
01:29:30  <SmatZ> well... maybe it uses that "weird" PWM that allows rotating in both directions... or so :)
01:30:41  <thingwath> hm, hardware, how do I like it...
01:31:10  <SmatZ> :o)
01:31:25  <fjb> Hm, don't know, but I found many meanings for PWM on wikipedia.
01:31:36  <thingwath> my computer died few times this week, with something like machine check exception 0+4
01:31:41  <SmatZ> hehe
01:32:46  <thingwath> so if it will continue, I don't have any other idea then buying a new one
01:32:48  <thingwath> :-/
01:33:45  <SmatZ> MCE's are CPU-family specific, have a look at your CPU's documentation :)
01:34:03  <thingwath> I did, it seems it's just a generic error "something went wrong"
01:34:23  <SmatZ> :-/
01:34:55  <thingwath> and it really shouldn't just blink and reboot itself :)
01:35:29  <SmatZ> if you are using windows, you can disable the "reboot after error" somewhere ... but you get a bluscreen, that's not much better :-p
01:37:38  <thingwath> well, I use linux :) and it displayed the MCE error when trying to boot again, the first reboot was just a sudden failure
01:37:55  <SmatZ> hmm
01:38:03  <SmatZ> I remember I used to have these errors too
01:38:12  <SmatZ> I installed mcelog, but it didn't help at all
01:38:15  <thingwath> the most common problem with this HP laptops is cracked motherboard or something like this, it may be this problem
01:38:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15443 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/ (sqapi.cpp sqvm.cpp sqvm.h): [Squirrel] -Fix [FS#2627]: Squirrel stack corruption resulting if an AI was suspended in a metamethod.
01:39:05  <SmatZ> I was getting these errors when booting up... I don't remember how I fixed that though :-x maybe kernel upgrade did the job :) or disabling MCE in kernel config ;)
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01:39:56  <thingwath> the main problem is not the MCE error, it doesn't happen on every boot :) main problem is the sudden reboot...
01:39:57  * SmatZ tries to remember
01:40:06  <SmatZ> I know it was quite recently...
01:40:59  <SmatZ> thingwath: if you are using 2.6.26, stop using it :)
01:42:08  <thingwath> I have Fedora 10 .27 kernel :)
01:42:18  <SmatZ> hmhm I don't know then :(
01:43:27  <thingwath> maybe it won't happen again :)
01:43:31  <SmatZ> hehe :)
01:44:36  <thingwath> I hope so, I don't like the idea of buying a new computer every 3 years or so
01:44:59  <SmatZ> I know I was having problems at one computer - locking up every ~7 days, and the other computer failed to boot once in ~4 tries
01:45:39  <SmatZ> but now I am using 2.6.28 and I don't have any problems anymore (I think I didn't have problems with 2.6.27 neither)
01:46:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15444 /trunk/src/lang/ (42 files):
01:46:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15425): the chat messages gone gray. That gray colour was technically
01:46:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: right. The string contained {GRAY}, but due to a latent bug (accidentally fixed
01:46:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: in r15425) in the string drawing routing the gray would be interpreted as use
01:46:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: palette colour 14, which is a white.
01:46:49  <thingwath> I don't know, I still hope that if it was a kernel problem, it would still show some error message or at least blink with keyboard LEDs before dying completely :) (I know, I'm so naive.)
01:47:22  <Rubidium> not if the kernel overrides your ACPI stuff
01:47:24  <SmatZ> maybe PSU is going to die or so :)
01:47:54  <thingwath> it's mostly already dead
01:48:04  <SmatZ> hehe :)
01:49:10  <goodger> 27 isn't very mature yet
01:49:25  <goodger> and F10 was by no means mature when released
01:49:57  <SmatZ> goodger: it's the next kernel to be "maintainted for very long time" (as 2.6.16 used to be :)
01:50:10  <thingwath> or at least I think I need a new charger, only because a connector...
01:50:41  <thingwath> well, I've been using F10 from the second test :) I'm used to it, I do it with every fedora from version 4 or 5. :o)
01:51:04  <goodger> SmatZ: lovely
01:52:37  <SmatZ> hmm 2.6 tree is 5 years old!
01:55:08  <goodger> quite
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01:55:30  <goodger> and from an interview from circa 2.6.13, it will not be replaced
01:55:52  <thingwath> yes, but 2.6.28 would most likely be 2.10.0 with the old release system :)
01:56:13  <SmatZ> I think there was a discussion if it's better to use "another 2.6.xx , 2.8 or 3.0"
01:56:29  <SmatZ> the "use 2.6.xx" opinion probably won :)
01:56:34  <goodger> quite
01:56:35  <thingwath> Linus suggested something like Ubuntu date-based numbers.
01:56:47  <goodger> a problem with 2.2 vs 2.4 was observed
01:56:58  <goodger> people kept backporting things from 2.3 into the 2.2 kernel
01:57:12  <goodger> so they thought "sod it, we'll just release with linear version numbering"
01:57:29  <SmatZ> :o)
02:00:16  <thingwath> date-based release numbers are not that bad idea, for example, I can remember that .23 was almost unusable for me, because there were lot of changes, but I can't remember when it was... last year? 2007? I just don't know.
02:01:17  <goodger> does it really matter when it was released?
02:02:02  * SmatZ was surprised when he understood the meaning of ".4" and ".10" numbers ;)
02:02:20  <SmatZ> (in Ubuntu, month on release)
02:02:25  <thingwath> :)
02:02:28  <thingwath> me too. :)
02:02:54  <thingwath> it took me about two years :o)
02:03:07  <SmatZ> hehe someone else told me so :o)
02:12:41  <goodger> ¬.¬
02:12:56  <goodger> it all went wrong with the 6.10 release
02:13:57  <goodger> they had four months to develop a new release of ubuntu. they decided to shove a lot of bleeding-edge features into it
02:14:20  <goodger> it became apparent that the bleeding-edge features would make it buggy as hell, and they decided to remove many of them
02:14:27  <goodger> despite this, it was still buggy as hell
02:15:13  <kd5pbo> Does anything affect an industry's production?
02:15:33  <kd5pbo> Percentage of cargo, transported, for example.
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02:27:59  <Belugas> muuhh muuhh
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02:30:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15445 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: -Fix: little typos
02:40:00  <welshdragon> hmm
02:41:57  * welshdragon is tired, but has to get up in 4 hours
02:44:44  <goodger> welshdragon: stay up and drink a colossal amount of caffeine, then get to bed early
02:46:08  <welshdragon> goodger: i'm drinking fresh orange
02:46:16  <goodger> not good enough
02:46:28  <goodger> get yeself a two-litre bottle of pepsi max and a toilet
02:46:48  <welshdragon> hmm, all the pepsi max is gone :(
02:46:59  <goodger> buy more?
02:47:15  <welshdragon> nearest shop is closed
02:47:29  <welshdragon> 3rd nearest is about a 45 minute round trip walking
02:47:36  <goodger> go to a less-near shop?
02:47:37  * welshdragon doesn't drive
02:47:43  <goodger> ah
02:47:48  <goodger> problematic
02:47:54  <welshdragon> very :P
02:48:04  <goodger> see, if I really need anything, there's a 24-hour tesco ten minutes away
02:48:06  * welshdragon can't drive either
02:48:52  <goodger> inconvenient
02:48:55  <goodger> how do you move about?
02:48:59  * welshdragon points goodger to v
02:49:03  <welshdragon> argh
02:49:30  <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40948
02:49:49  <welshdragon> that kinda explains about my sight
02:50:33  <goodger> :S
02:50:46  <goodger> how long have you had that?
02:52:31  <welshdragon> since birth
02:53:07  <goodger> how monstrously unpleasant a hand dealt by fate
02:53:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15446 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp:
02:53:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Revert(r15445): Seems that "iff" stands for "if and only if". So not much of a typo.
02:53:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Thanks, Yexo. I feel less ignorant today :D
02:54:02  <welshdragon> lol, what a revision!
02:54:08  <goodger> quite
02:54:47  <goodger> my grandmother is suffering from macular degeneration and cataracts, but my eyesight actually exceeds 20:20, so I have no idea what it must be like
02:54:57  <Sacro> blurry
02:55:03  <Sacro> and narrow fielded
02:55:11  <goodger> :S
02:55:31  <goodger> corrective lenses are powerless to help, I suppose, with this sort of thing
02:55:34  <welshdragon> goodger: my girlfriend has a similar condition, but hers affects her differently, she scored highly on an Autistic Spectrum test, so i believer she also has a form of autism
02:55:39  <goodger> still, I'd have thought there'd be a surgical assistance
02:56:02  <welshdragon> goodger: still, I'd have thought there'd be a surgical assistance < not necessarily
02:56:15  <Sacro> goodger: yep
02:56:27  <Sacro> cataracts can be lasered off
02:56:35  <Sacro> but only when they've developed sufficiently
02:56:44  <Sacro> macular degeneration is incurable currently
02:56:54  <goodger> I was talking about welshdragon's thing
02:56:55  <Sacro> btu there's hope of stem cells being able to regenerate them
02:57:08  <goodger> the NHS refused to treat the cataracts because she's too old
02:57:16  <goodger> I'm well aware the macular degeneration is incurable
02:57:31  <goodger> welshdragon: I can sympathise with her on that: I have asperger syndrome, it's not pleasant
02:57:37  <welshdragon> me and my girlfriend's vision can't be surgically cured, in fact, it could worsen and both of us could end up blind
02:57:44  <welshdragon> *mine
02:57:51  <goodger> still, I can't imagine having impaired vision
02:59:26  <goodger> that must be frustrating
02:59:36  <welshdragon> goodger: the easiest way to describe my vision is to get a crystal cleat picture on an analog television set
02:59:47  <welshdragon> then slightly detune it
03:00:01  <goodger> ah, that's what channel four looks like all the time
03:00:09  <goodger> I think I understand
03:01:06  <welshdragon> goodger: see /query :P
03:02:10  <thingwath> I'm happy with my shortsightedness :-)
03:02:31  <goodger> I'm happy with my superhuman vision :S
03:03:05  <goodger> I suppose I should be grateful for having a primarily conforming physical body
03:03:52  <goodger> if not a mind ^_^
03:03:59  <thingwath> On the other hand, I don't like woodpeckers because of that.
03:04:16  <goodger> wha?
03:04:47  <thingwath> :) I were always told "look, a woodpecker there!", and I could never see any :D
03:05:42  <thingwath> they are still quite mythical creatures for me
03:06:36  <goodger> ...
03:06:45  <goodger> quite
03:07:38  <thingwath> seeing is believing
03:07:41  <thingwath> not seeing... :)
03:07:58  <goodger> I've never seen one
03:08:13  <goodger> then again, I've never seen one of those pigeons that goes "hoooooooo!" in the night obscenely loudly
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03:11:10  <thingwath> I've heard them. Even tried to kill them.
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03:12:36  <goodger> heh
03:15:00  <thingwath> they always managed to cover my balcony with 2 centimeters thick layer of shit every in three days after the last cleaning, bleh
03:16:34  <goodger> wonderful
03:26:15  <welshdragon> thingwath: just pour some poison over their food
03:26:24  <welshdragon> they will soon leave :P
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03:35:44  <thingwath> I left :-)
03:36:13  <goodger> heh
03:36:32  <thingwath> Not because of the pidgeons. :-)
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04:54:26  <kd5pbo> Is there any way to increase a town's size besides moving people around?
04:54:35  <kd5pbo> Also, is there any way to convince a small town to accept goods?
05:00:08  <goodger> you can ship goods to a town to make it grow
05:04:41  <kd5pbo> My towns are too small for that, too.
05:05:39  <goodger> then move people about. :(
05:07:34  <kd5pbo> I am.
05:07:52  <kd5pbo> I get about 20 people a month to move.
05:08:33  <kd5pbo> And, the towns are 2000 squares apart or so.
05:08:36  <goodger> how small is this town?
05:09:02  <kd5pbo> One's got 251 people, the other 353.
05:09:12  <kd5pbo> 363*
05:09:35  <goodger> ah.
05:09:49  <goodger> I suggest you locate your bus station more centrally
05:10:02  <goodger> and possibly provide a shuttle bus service to the railway station if a railway station is used
05:10:18  <kd5pbo> I'll try that.
05:10:31  <kd5pbo> Is there any point to a bus service in a town that small?
05:10:58  <goodger> yes, if the railway station is located too far away
05:11:28  <kd5pbo> Two squares from what appears to be main street?
05:11:40  <goodger> indeed
05:11:41  <kd5pbo> One square, in the other town.
05:25:48  <kd5pbo> What does the red and green bar under the waiting cargo value bars represent?
05:25:57  <kd5pbo> In the station list.
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05:51:23  <De_Ghost> lol
05:51:47  <De_Ghost> the tried and true method of growing town
05:51:52  <De_Ghost> just build 9 stations
05:52:01  <De_Ghost> run a bus or 2 constantly
05:52:10  <De_Ghost> doesn't matter where as long as they are in the town limit :)
05:52:18  <De_Ghost> so they can acually be beside each other
05:52:19  <De_Ghost> :)
05:53:33  <goodger> heh
05:53:42  <goodger> bus station, tile of road, bus station
05:54:23  <kd5pbo> I don't think that would work very well.
05:54:31  <kd5pbo> Only one way to find out.
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05:56:55  <De_Ghost> it works perfectly
05:59:01  <De_Ghost> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_101_-_110
05:59:15  <De_Ghost> bad example
05:59:17  <De_Ghost> anyways
05:59:23  <De_Ghost> in openttd coop
05:59:28  <De_Ghost> we grow towns all the time
06:02:09  <kd5pbo> I did it.
06:02:17  <kd5pbo> My stations kept wanting to join together.
06:02:37  <De_Ghost> hold Ctrl
06:02:40  <De_Ghost> then drop station
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06:19:31  <kd5pbo> Oh.
06:19:36  <kd5pbo> Naptime.
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07:05:52  <petern> "if and only if" should be represented by the text "if and only if" not "iff"
07:07:04  <petern> i'm not quite sure what "if and only if" is supposed to mean here, though.
07:10:23  <petern> seems that "if" by itself is perfectly correct.
07:10:56  <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iff
07:12:03  <planetmaker> morning
07:13:15  <planetmaker> [08:05]	<petern>	"if and only if" should be represented by the text "if and only if" not "iff" <-- petern, iff is widely used in the mathematical community :)
07:13:43  <petern> i don't give a shit
07:13:54  <planetmaker> iff as opposed to if means, if A -> B; if not A -> not B
07:14:19  <planetmaker> while if means: if A -> B; if not > -> anything
07:14:29  <petern> what part of "true if the key was found" is ambiguous?
07:14:31  <planetmaker> while if means: if A -> B; if not A -> anything
07:15:19  <Rubidium> it could also be true if the key was not found
07:15:31  <planetmaker> yep
07:15:47  <petern> well
07:15:48  <petern> okay
07:16:03  <petern> have fun updating a fuck load of comments just for your pedanticism
07:16:26  <planetmaker> computers are more pedantic than humans ;)
07:18:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15447 /trunk/src/core/ (smallmap_type.hpp smallvec_type.hpp): -Codechange: void functions don't tend to return true if and only if anyway
07:18:20  <planetmaker> lol :)
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07:27:50  <petern> planetmaker: computers don't read comments written for humans
07:28:02  <planetmaker> I know :)
07:28:24  <planetmaker> despite that it may be important to know, if a relation is either A <-> B or only A -> B :)
07:28:30  <petern> maybe in non-english your rules for if are different
07:29:04  <Sacro> if it is raining, i will get wet
07:29:05  <planetmaker> not really.
07:29:13  <Sacro> however that's not to say that if i'm wet then it's raining
07:29:23  <planetmaker> foam party! :D
07:29:29  <Sacro> planetmaker: hush you
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07:30:00  <Rubidium> petern: some academic teachers seem to think they do
07:30:15  <petern> who gives a fuck about them?
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07:32:29  <planetmaker> their students should in their exams ;)
07:33:12  <planetmaker> iff they have such teacher :P
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08:57:16  <dihedral> morning
08:59:02  <planetmaker> morning dihedral :)
09:01:02  <goodger> *yawn*
09:01:06  <goodger> morning dihedral, planetmaker
09:01:14  <planetmaker> morning goodger
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09:01:29  * planetmaker hands a cup of tea to dihedral and goodger
09:01:39  <goodger> eugh
09:01:43  <goodger> cola, please
09:01:48  <goodger> :)
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09:03:10  <dihedral> goodger, you sound like a kid
09:03:50  <goodger> I am legally classified as one in some territories...
09:06:46  <goodger> I don't plan to start liking tea or coffee at any point in the future
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09:07:57  <planetmaker> well. Thinking of coke... thinking of phosphorous acid, nitric acid and sugar are synonyms... :)
09:08:51  <goodger> I drink pepsi max, it only has the phosphoric acid
09:09:31  <goodger> and E150d, aspartame, acesulphame K, flavourings, sodium benzoate, and citric acid.
09:10:50  <goodger> I like how the E-numbering system has become basically worthles