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00:01:44 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:02:39 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:36 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has joined #openttd 00:05:04 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 00:12:23 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 00:21:43 *** HansAffe [~piespy@rps4190.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:17 *** HansAffe [~piespy@game.spieleplanet.eu] has joined #openttd 00:29:40 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:20 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 00:48:56 <DJNekkid> hi all 00:49:46 <frosch123> good morning :) 00:50:30 <DJNekkid> more like 3am :) 00:50:33 <DJNekkid> so ... night? :) 00:51:30 <frosch123> that would sound as if I would leave :) 00:51:47 <DJNekkid> dont worry, im not drunk :) 00:52:27 <DJNekkid> im just, as always, trying to do something with .nfo that im not 100% sure im gonna get right within the next hour or two :) 00:52:28 <frosch123> now that sounds as if you are pretty drunk 00:53:17 <DJNekkid> hehe... 00:53:42 <DJNekkid> nah ... im just on thin ice :) 00:53:55 <frosch123> actually I replied that to your first sentence, but it fits even better to the second :) 00:53:56 <DJNekkid> it's that var action 2 60 thingy... 00:54:19 <frosch123> that counts vehicle ids, or similiar... 00:54:35 <DJNekkid> yes... 00:54:50 <DJNekkid> but it does not behave like i thought it does 00:55:08 <frosch123> what did you expect? 00:55:21 <DJNekkid> if <number> <use sprite> 00:55:57 <DJNekkid> is is most likely exactly what it does, but not the way i want it to :) 00:56:12 <frosch123> maybe you are looking for var 40 and 41? 00:56:37 <DJNekkid> i've combinded it with thoose 00:58:59 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:22 <EoD> hi 00:59:32 <DJNekkid> i guess u dont wanna see code frosch123 :) 01:00:17 <frosch123> I do not mind if it is fun :p 01:02:06 <DJNekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/181676 01:02:08 <DJNekkid> try that one 01:05:21 <DJNekkid> hmm, perhaps if i made them modulos... 01:06:31 <frosch123> -1 * 0 02 00 F7 81 41 08 FF 01 99 00 00 03 C0 00 <- maybe "41 10" instead of "41 08" ? 01:07:35 <DJNekkid> what does 10 do compared to 08 ? 01:07:48 <DJNekkid> 08 is "counted from back", atleast the way i think of it 01:07:58 <frosch123> "number of vehicles" vs. "position from back" 01:09:26 <DJNekkid> in only that line, or all of the "08"-lines? 01:10:52 <frosch123> only that line 01:11:16 <frosch123> -1 * 0 02 00 F6 81 60 1E 00 FF 02 F6 00 01 03 F8 00 05 05 F7 00 <- well, that one I do not understand 01:11:54 <DJNekkid> that one is ... count the number of vehicle ID 1E's 01:12:01 <frosch123> maybe you want to use type 82 01:12:08 <DJNekkid> tried it 01:12:11 <DJNekkid> but no 01:12:26 <DJNekkid> but i think i may have another solution, you ticked me :) 01:13:31 <frosch123> I assume you want to: chain to F8 if the train has length 5, chain to F6 if the train has length 3, chain to F7 else 01:15:41 <DJNekkid> almost, i want to chain to the mentioned ids, but only if it counts x number of vehicleID 1E's in a row 01:16:54 <DJNekkid> but, i made it anyway, thanx to you, you just didnt know it :) 01:16:57 <frosch123> so use 81 41 10 FF instead? 01:17:00 <DJNekkid> -1 * 0 02 00 F6 81 41 10 FF 02 F6 00 01 03 F8 00 05 05 F7 00 01:17:08 <frosch123> :p 01:17:20 <DJNekkid> if that made any sense to you :) 01:17:40 <frosch123> that's what I said :) 01:17:47 <DJNekkid> hehe ... yea :) 01:17:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:18:08 <DJNekkid> damn, this dutchset version 2.0 is getting quite advanced... 01:18:21 <DJNekkid> or 1.5 or whatever they wanna call it 01:18:32 <frosch123> oh, you are also doing dutchset? I only knew about 2cc 01:18:45 <DJNekkid> they made it in grfmaker 01:18:56 <frosch123> resp. as most stuff of 2cc is drawn by purno, what is the difference to dutchset :p 01:18:57 <DJNekkid> but the outcome were ... somewhat limited 01:19:09 <frosch123> you already said that :p 01:19:39 <DJNekkid> so purno asked me if i wanted to add stuff to the dutchset 01:20:27 <DJNekkid> and that dutchset do they want to be as realistic as possible, with only this many wagons here, there, add engine if less then this, more then that, etc 01:20:34 <frosch123> I never looked at the dutchset, I just assumed that all dutchset trains were also included in 2cc 01:21:01 <DJNekkid> nah ... a few yes, but not very many more then other countries 01:21:17 <frosch123> that R stuff might also make it easier, as you have only fixed combinations of wagons 01:21:37 <DJNekkid> R stuff? 01:21:49 <frosch123> i.e. you could generally disallow attaching of wagons, and only add fixed trains consisting of 16 articulated parts or so 01:22:04 <frosch123> R is generally used for "realistic" in this channel 01:22:13 <frosch123> esp. when belugas is here :) 01:22:18 <DJNekkid> hehe ... yea 01:22:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:54 <DJNekkid> but the problem arise when there are normally 4 parts, but some of them have six 01:23:03 <DJNekkid> and one just add two wagons 01:23:11 <DJNekkid> and what grapichs to put where, and how 01:23:21 <DJNekkid> sad enough do i find it very interesting 01:23:25 <DJNekkid> *sadly 01:23:25 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:52 <frosch123> hehe, just hope they will not come up if date dependent things 01:24:01 <frosch123> s/if/with/ 01:24:11 <DJNekkid> well, there is that as well 01:24:11 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:19 <DJNekkid> im currently workin on the (v)IRM 01:24:32 <DJNekkid> from 1994-2002 (or something) were it 3 or 4 parts 01:24:41 <DJNekkid> from 2002 --> is it 4 or 6 :) 01:25:28 <DJNekkid> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=no&js=n&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRM&sl=auto&tl=en 01:27:27 <frosch123> the funny thing with these dates is, that the introduction and retire date in ttd is randomized by several years, so not every 'special layout' is available in every game 01:27:58 <DJNekkid> i know ... up to 512 days from the intro-day afaik ? 01:28:04 <DJNekkid> so, about a year and a half... 01:28:12 <DJNekkid> atleast the introdate 01:28:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.189.239] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 01:29:52 <frosch123> the retire date can vary by 5 years :) 01:31:02 <DJNekkid> oki... that is luckily not my table as the programmer/coder/whatever... 01:31:09 <DJNekkid> i just follow orders :) 01:33:19 <DJNekkid> hmm, i wonder actually, if that thing pikka gave me the other day were way to complicated... 01:40:58 <DJNekkid> what a wierd result 01:46:06 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590fc53d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 01:50:21 <frosch> night 01:50:25 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590fc53d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:26 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:11 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 01:52:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c098f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:03 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:05 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]] 02:20:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:22:49 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 02:31:19 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 03:08:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:40 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:41 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:341b:d14a:5538:bc8a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:41:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:42:19 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 03:42:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:52:28 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:04:35 *** Pikkaa [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:08:40 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:50 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:08 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:13 *** ipaclansite [~chatzilla@pool-70-18-16-254.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:56 *** ipaclansite [~chatzilla@pool-70-18-16-254.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 04:56:56 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 05:36:33 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:18:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 06:30:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:34:50 *** Yoshi5186 [~Yoshi@FL1-125-198-167-54.szo.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #openttd 06:35:15 *** Yoshi5186 [~Yoshi@FL1-125-198-167-54.szo.mesh.ad.jp] has left #openttd [] 06:40:30 *** Pikkaa is now known as Pikka 06:45:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E324.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:02:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:26 <Alberth> good morning all 07:05:33 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:15 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:13:47 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.16] has joined #openttd 07:28:48 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:24 *** phidah [~phidah@0x5733a2bb.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:10:57 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 08:18:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:12 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 08:39:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:45 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:29 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-184-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:22 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10:23 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:40 <mizipzor> why is it that when built, the exe ends up under objs rather than bin? 09:33:38 <Rubidium> cause nobody with real knowledge of MSVC ever bothered 'fixing' that 09:41:04 <taisteluorava> hm, is 3500 horsepower and 564 kN enought to pull 31 wagons? 09:42:55 <taisteluorava> now i have 6,600hp and 614kN which does nice with 31 wagon, but i need to upgrade them to train's, which are faster, but they have a less power 09:47:20 <mizipzor> Rubidium: if you consider it something that should be fixed, i would be happy to help 09:48:31 <Alberth> taisteluorava: throw in an additional loc 09:51:23 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:00:06 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:26 * TrueBrain waves a good morning to all of you 10:09:35 <TrueBrain> just to make Rubidium frustrated abuot timezones ;) 10:10:27 <Alberth> good morning TrueBrain (although living in the same time zone as Rubidium) 10:11:01 <mizipzor> here its so early im not yet quite sure where i live 10:14:37 <welshdragon> morning all 10:15:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:15:29 <petern> taisteluorava, "31 wagons" means nothing, but maybe learn about physics? 10:16:17 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:06 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 10:22:17 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:26 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:04 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc2-papw2-0-0-cust619.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:32:34 <petern> heh 10:32:45 <petern> why does the news window include a variable with the word 'chat' in it? :o 10:38:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16026 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use font height for chat line spacing instead of fixed value. 10:40:17 <Azrael-> oh man 10:40:28 <Azrael-> I just figured out how to blockade somebody's road vehicles 10:41:21 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 10:44:34 <mizipzor> what function is it that spawns industries? 10:44:45 *** TheBoff [~colin@host86-148-218-154.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:45:06 <mizipzor> the one used when a new industry is randomly spawned, prospected or manually built 10:58:10 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02993.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:10:40 <Rubidium> petern: was that a rhetorical question or do you really want to know ;) 11:10:54 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well .. now I do want to know! :p 11:11:57 <taisteluorava> are those company autoclean number's in minutes? 11:12:06 <petern> no 11:12:12 <taisteluorava> gameyears? 11:12:13 <petern> they're in months 11:12:23 <taisteluorava> ok 11:12:32 <petern> game months, obviously 11:12:37 <taisteluorava> yeah ^^ 11:22:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has joined #openttd 11:29:01 *** Aprogas [aprogas@aprogas.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:31 *** KingJ [~KingJ@95.154.197.17] has left #openttd [] 11:30:44 *** KingJ [~KingJ@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 11:31:16 <Aprogas> I need a volunteer to host a 0.7.0 server to see if I can crash it as a client. I am able to crash my own server but I want to know if it works remotely or locally. 11:32:33 <Gekz> j 11:33:13 <taisteluorava> what does a setting called "reload_cfg" 11:38:06 <taisteluorava> found answer from forum 11:40:58 <Ammler> taisteluorava: wiki is also helpful 11:41:13 <TrueBrain> Aprogas: if you tell us how you do so, we most likely can also tell you if it can be done remotely ;) 11:41:32 <taisteluorava> i checked it first, but there was not about it in wiki 11:41:45 <Ammler> well, then there is now :P 11:42:17 <Aprogas> TrueBrain: I don't want to publicly say how it is done in case it really works. 11:43:15 <TrueBrain> Aprogas: open a bug on the bugtracker, and we make it private :) 11:43:39 <TrueBrain> but one crash-server is coming up :p 11:43:47 <Aprogas> I first need to test how exactly it occurs before I can describe the bug. 11:43:57 <Aprogas> So I can describe how to reproduce it. 11:45:03 <TrueBrain> @openttd ports 11:45:03 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 11:47:13 <Ammler> you can kill mz.openttdcoop.org:3980, if you want 11:47:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: killing OpenTTD with CTRL+C (what I normally do) gives me: 11:47:44 <TrueBrain> ^CUsage:program_name [address][:port] 11:48:20 <TrueBrain> bah, you can't SSH tunnel a server ... 11:48:53 <TrueBrain> Aprogas: ./openttd -n secure.openttd.org:4001 11:48:55 <TrueBrain> feel free :p 11:49:29 <Aprogas> Ammler: Did it crash? 11:49:50 <Ammler> no 11:49:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: quiting the game in general produces that :p (0.7.0 btw) 11:50:02 <Aprogas> Though, I just realised what I was doing, it's not a bug at all. 11:51:57 <Aprogas> TrueBrain: Seems to be a different revision, but I think I don't need testing anymore. 11:52:01 <TrueBrain> Aprogas: 'wrong revision' 11:52:42 <TrueBrain> Aprogas: possible I compiled the wrong thing :p 11:53:23 <Aprogas> I was trying to insert a non-printable ASCII character in a sign to beat space and exclaim in the sign list sorting, I happened to pick the bell character which is created by pressing Ctrl+G, which happens to be the huge screenshot hotkey. 11:54:00 <Aprogas> Since the process effectively froze and my players reported over Skype the server was non-responsive, I had assumed it was a general crash, rather than just doing something complex. 11:54:16 <TrueBrain> ... can I laugh out loud now? :p 11:54:20 <Aprogas> Yes. 11:54:47 <Aprogas> I am still curious to try if I can insert non-printable chars in a sign name though, so I guess I'll play a bit more with that locally. 11:55:02 <Rubidium> hmm... now Gentoo is going to issue a GLSA because you can get an OpenTTD server into an (almost) infinite loop with just a simple keystroke? 11:55:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: Gentoo won't bother .. nos ure about Debian though :p 11:55:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you have any idea where above string can come from? (how ever I quit OpenTTD, even trunk, it shows me that :p) 11:56:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but Gentoo has the tendency to make wrong GLSA reports for OpenTTD 11:56:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so far I only saw GLSAs in reply to VCEs 11:57:53 <TrueBrain> oh, the 'usage' line comes from esd ... 11:57:55 <Rubidium> yeah, but what the GLSA says isn't said in the VCE 11:58:49 <petern> esd... hahaha 11:58:52 <Rubidium> "before 0.6.2" / "0.6.1 and earlier" != "before 0.6.3" 12:00:42 <Rubidium> Aprogas: did you know that via OpenTTD's 'rcon' you can make a huge screenshot too and make the server unresponsive? Though that 'vulnerability' if you may call it that is the same that an authorised user may shut down a computer via a remote administration interface 12:03:00 <Aprogas> Isn't the screenshot created locally after the client has received the map information from the server? 12:03:34 <Rubidium> 'rcon' is a remote server administration 'tool' 12:03:52 <petern> ^G in a string in the game should not do anything with screenshots 12:03:59 <Aprogas> Ah, I see. 12:04:12 <Aprogas> petern: I was trying to enter a bell character in a sign name and hence pressed Ctrl+G myself. 12:04:42 <Aprogas> And just like pressing e.g. tab when entering a sign name, that just behaves as the configured hotkey for e.g. fast forward. 12:04:49 <Rubidium> the input rejects 'unprintable' characters 12:05:05 <Aprogas> That indeed seems to be the case. 12:06:39 <Rubidium> so the only way to 'enter' them is by making a modified binary that ignores that 'reject', making a savegame with unprintable characters and letting the server host that savegame 12:07:01 <Rubidium> but then you still can't enter unprintable characters remotely 12:07:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can't making a screenshot be put in a seperate thread? :p 12:08:03 <TrueBrain> the png compression mostly 12:08:31 <Rubidium> not really, because the compression isn't the really time taking part 12:08:53 <petern> it is 12:09:02 <Aprogas> Maybe just display a message in-game just before the really time taking part. 12:09:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it is :) 12:09:06 <Rubidium> especially because uncompressed the thing becomes several GBs 12:09:14 <Rubidium> and thus it goes into trashing and such 12:09:17 <petern> but yeah, that's a problem :) 12:09:17 <TrueBrain> png compression is so damn slow :( 12:09:29 <petern> isn't it... zlib? 12:09:49 <Rubidium> yeah, it's zlib 12:10:06 <petern> let's just remove giant screenshot :D 12:10:10 <petern> it's useless anyway... 12:10:13 <TrueBrain> petern: for 2kx2k .. yes :p 12:10:18 <Rubidium> and most systems can't handle 4+ GB screenschots ;) 12:10:32 <Aprogas> I like giant screenshot, but perhaps hide it just a bit deeper than Ctrl+G 12:10:52 <TrueBrain> yeah .. lets hide it completely 12:10:53 <TrueBrain> :p 12:11:00 <Aprogas> Like Ctrl+Alt+G, plus a message right after pressing that it might take a while. 12:11:30 <TrueBrain> "You are about to kick all your clients of your server; are you sure?" 12:12:01 * petern ponders going to telehouse today 12:12:17 <TrueBrain> did you switch that darn server to a 100 mbit by now? 12:12:23 <TrueBrain> :p :p 12:12:29 <petern> it's on 100mbit 12:12:37 <petern> to the switch 12:12:37 <TrueBrain> but cut to .. what was it .. 4mbit? :p 12:12:43 <petern> 2 * 2 12:12:44 <petern> :D 12:12:47 <Aprogas> "Making a huge screenshot takes very long. Do you want to cancel?" "Yes / No / Cancel" 12:12:54 <TrueBrain> yes / no / cancel 12:12:56 <TrueBrain> explain me that? 12:12:58 <TrueBrain> yes I want to cancel 12:13:00 <TrueBrain> no I want to cancel 12:13:04 <TrueBrain> cancel I want to cancel 12:13:05 <TrueBrain> lol 12:13:16 <petern> haha 12:13:18 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 12:13:23 <petern> anyway 12:13:24 <petern> hence 12:13:26 * petern ponders going to telehouse today 12:13:37 <TrueBrain> go go go go go :p 12:13:37 <Aprogas> It's just the default windows yes prompt. 12:13:55 <TrueBrain> so we should use that .. sounds reasonable :p 12:14:02 <TrueBrain> Windows is perfectly capable of only showing yes / no ;) 12:14:19 <TrueBrain> btw, asking if you want to cancel is a question which is dangarous :) Asking if you want to continue makes more sense ;) :p 12:16:22 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3d31:5251:b64e:516c] has joined #openttd 12:16:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:16:31 <TrueBrain> morning glx :) How is your makedepend going? 12:16:33 <Aprogas> You could be like WinZip trial version, randomly swapping the agree and cancel buttons for the free trial license popup. 12:16:40 <taisteluorava> -[1921-2021]- 24/7 dedicated server. ))-Very hard-(( Test your skills.2cc/NOAIR heh, pretty hard server, Modified building cost and HIGH train running cost make's it pretty hard 12:16:45 <glx> hello 12:16:59 <glx> TrueBrain: indeed I forgot to patch my makedepend ;) 12:17:11 <TrueBrain> glx: no, you said you were going to make a small app, remember? :p 12:17:17 <TrueBrain> taisteluorava: tnx for that advertise; now never do that again 12:17:26 <glx> it's not fully done yet 12:17:58 <taisteluorava> TrueBrain, ok 12:19:06 <petern> also 12:19:09 <petern> "make's" ? 12:19:39 <TrueBrain> I just imagine this channel being ran over by advertises of servers ... would be annoying :) 12:19:59 <petern> not when we blacklist the persistent offenders from the server list 12:20:16 <TrueBrain> hmm ... that sounds like an idea :) 12:20:43 <Cybertinus> heh 12:21:00 <Cybertinus> taking a Giant Screenshot of a 2kx2k land takes a long time indeed :) 12:21:25 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/current_output.txt <-- for now that's what I get 12:21:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:21:48 <glx> Cybertinus: and you will probably not be able to open it:) 12:21:59 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:06 <TrueBrain> glx: it just needs a sed of s@^src@objs/debug@g;s/.cpp:/.o:/g ;) 12:22:15 <TrueBrain> but it looks sane :) 12:22:22 <TrueBrain> glx: how fast is it? :p 12:22:24 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has joined #openttd 12:22:48 <petern> hmmw 12:22:49 <petern> you know 12:22:54 <petern> i thik i put a switch in telehouse 12:23:00 <petern> that i've totally forgotten about 12:23:02 <petern> *think 12:23:10 <TrueBrain> glx: oh, I just noticed you need to remove 'src/' completely :p ;) 12:23:21 <TrueBrain> 3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.o: /prog/openttd/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqfuncstate.h <- valid line 12:23:26 <glx> it uses less than 500ms 12:23:30 <TrueBrain> petern: how can you forget about that? :) 12:23:32 <TrueBrain> glx: nice :) 12:23:43 <Cybertinus> FloSoft: where should my screenshot be saved, so I can check if I can open it ;) 12:23:58 <petern> well 12:24:01 <petern> dunno 12:24:22 <Cybertinus> glx: sry, I meaned to highlight you ;). Where is my screenshot saved? 12:24:34 <glx> mydocs\openttd 12:24:48 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 12:25:05 <Cybertinus> glx: I'm on LInux ;). But then it is ~/.openttd or something? 12:25:05 <KenjiE20> isn't it "<current openttd.cfg dir>\screenshots\"? 12:25:08 <TrueBrain> glx: this is one-deep? 12:25:48 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ottd_depend.cpp 12:25:56 <glx> (a little ugly) 12:26:01 <petern> it's possible i only thought i did 12:26:12 <TrueBrain> as you did pick up on the comment we can't have .h files in the depend tree on the left side? 12:26:22 <TrueBrain> petern: lol :) For what you need the switch? :p 12:26:43 <petern> for connection between two racks 12:26:49 <glx> TrueBrain: it doesn't handle that yet :) 12:26:52 <petern> between A2 and F19 12:27:01 <petern> by their names you might guess they're quite far apart 12:27:03 <TrueBrain> glx: just checking if you also read that ;) 12:27:36 <glx> for now it just scans a dir recursively 12:28:23 <TrueBrain> I guess that is fine, although some files are never used for some targets .. but that shouldn't be a real problem :) 12:29:37 <glx> I guess it can have them as arg (like makedepend) 12:29:46 <TrueBrain> minor details for later :) 12:30:04 * TrueBrain likes that WT3 works on my iPhone .. ghehe :) 12:30:11 <glx> nice 12:30:31 <glx> s/my/his/ ;) 12:30:47 <glx> grammar changes wth /me 12:30:51 <Rubidium> glx: what if #include is split on a 2048 byte boundary? 12:31:01 <TrueBrain> glx: it is still my iPhone :p 12:31:24 <Rubidium> hmm, oh fgets reads a line ;) 12:32:20 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you just shouldn't put #include after 2048 whitespaces :p 12:32:59 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEDAF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:59 <EoD> hi 12:38:14 <TrueBrain> oh, him again 12:38:15 <TrueBrain> :p 12:38:32 <Rubidium> why does the discussion always end when he enters? 12:38:45 <petern> EoD... End of Discussion... 12:38:52 <EoD> :-D 12:39:00 <TrueBrain> sounds reasonable 12:39:29 <EoD> yeah, i'm sorry. 12:39:35 <TrueBrain> and you should! 12:40:19 <TrueBrain> petern: I btw still don't get how you manage to get 2 * 2 on a rack :p 12:41:12 <EoD> TrueBrain: btw: if you copy the iptraf file from your gentoo (ipv6) machine to your debian machine, you get ipv6 stats on debian :) 12:41:29 <TrueBrain> EoD: hehe :) Sadly enough, iptraf is a moment-monitor .. 12:41:46 <TrueBrain> but I guess I could just install a few iptables rules to show exactly how much bandwidth goes over IPv4 and IPv6 12:42:21 <EoD> i thought about your router and the ipv6 problems. Moment-monitor is just fine there imho 12:42:37 <TrueBrain> true :) 12:43:07 <TrueBrain> IPv4 hits: 694692 hits 12:43:08 <TrueBrain> IPv6 hits: 11644 hits 12:43:10 <TrueBrain> IPv6 ratio: 1.6485 % 12:43:11 <TrueBrain> IPv4 uniq: 8003 IPs 12:43:13 <TrueBrain> IPv6 uniq: 80 IPs 12:43:14 <TrueBrain> IPv6 ratio: 0.9897 % 12:43:16 <TrueBrain> https stats 12:43:27 * SpComb generates a million unique IPv6 hits for TrueBrain 12:44:01 <TrueBrain> s/https/httpd/ 12:44:14 <glx> TrueBrain: I'm bad for your stats (my IPv6 changes on every boot) 12:44:15 <TrueBrain> 24 hour stats btw 12:44:23 <TrueBrain> glx: like you reboot that often :p 12:44:53 <glx> though I have 2 IPv6, the dynamic one and a static based on MAC 12:46:09 <De_Ghosty> !password 12:46:19 <De_Ghosty> oops 12:46:23 <De_Ghosty> wasn't thinking 12:46:26 <TrueBrain> glx ... what is wrong with your scripts :( 12:46:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:46:35 <glx> @whoami 12:46:35 <DorpsGek> glx: I don't recognize you. 12:46:39 <glx> fuck 12:47:01 <TrueBrain> now he is getting away with it! :( 12:50:11 <glx> I wonder how it managed to recognise me before (I always used a wrong hostmask) 12:50:23 <TrueBrain> with username / password it is always okay 12:51:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:51:31 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:51:36 <Wolf01> hello 12:57:38 <petern> TrueBrain, 2 * 2 on a rack? huh? 12:58:01 <TrueBrain> petern: you siad the server has a 100 mbit, but that it can only use 2 * 2, right? 12:58:03 <TrueBrain> so I wonder why ;) 12:58:29 <petern> let's see 12:58:51 <petern> server -> switch -> routers -> 2 leased lines -> routers -> routers -> internet 12:59:13 <TrueBrain> ah ;) 12:59:15 <TrueBrain> got to go .. DC visit 12:59:17 <TrueBrain> bye all :) 13:00:58 <orudge> ah, damn, was just going to speak to you TrueBrain, heh 13:01:03 <orudge> ah well, ta ta for now 13:01:52 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:08:03 <glx> ,...for(FileList::iterator it = _files.begin(); it != _files.end(); it++) { 13:08:04 <glx> ,...,...for(HeaderList::iterator h = it->second->begin(); h != it->second->end(); h++) { 13:08:04 <glx> ,...,...,...FileList::iterator f = _files.find(*h); 13:08:04 <glx> ,...,...,...if (f != _files.end()) it->second->insert(f->second->begin(), f->second->end()); 13:08:04 <glx> ,...,...} 13:08:04 <glx> ,...} 13:08:11 <glx> small addition, big effect ;) 13:10:13 <glx> but probably still incomplete 13:10:53 <TinoDidriksen> Why do you need a custom makedepend, btw? 13:10:58 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:16 <glx> because we already need a custom one ;) 13:11:35 <glx> OOB makedepend fails on openttd code 13:14:02 <TinoDidriksen> Oh, cute. Haven't seen that problem before. What OS/arch fails? 13:14:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc53d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:15:01 <glx> most I think :) (unless it's a patched makedepend with higher MAXFILES value) 13:15:58 *** valhalla2w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:21 <TinoDidriksen> Can't recall an arch that actually still uses makedepend. gcc -M does nicely. 13:16:26 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:39 <glx> gcc -M is slow :) 13:17:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:54 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:18:12 <frosch123> he, I get back, and the topic is still the same :) 13:19:41 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:34 <petern> horribly slow 13:20:43 <petern> although not wrong :) 13:23:37 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:52 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:25:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:29 * SpComb hearts cmake 13:26:39 <SpComb> dunno what it uses for #include dep tracking 13:28:39 <EoD> what requirements does a (full - 8 players) openttd-server have (without ships)? More than 1 GHz? More than 100MBit? 13:30:39 <frosch123> for a 64x64 map that is certainly enough 13:30:56 <EoD> i thought about 512^2 or 1024^2 13:31:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02993.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: saufen \o/] 13:34:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:34:34 <SpComb> more than 100mbit/s is asking for a lot 13:35:07 <EoD> I think we have 1GE 13:35:23 <SpComb> but not for a single OpenTTD server 13:35:28 <KingJ> 100mbit should do fine 13:35:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-184-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 13:36:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:41 <EoD> SpComb: The server is more than just an OpenTTD server :) 13:40:24 <EoD> But 1GHz (for openttd) for a full and maybe larger map is enough? 13:41:57 <petern> i wouldn't bet on it 13:43:42 <EoD> hm, ok. 13:43:53 * frosch123 hopes glx has more luck than him 13:44:18 <glx> well my code skips #include <squirrel.h> :( 13:44:27 <TheBoff> to put it bluntly 13:44:34 <TheBoff> how to become good at openttd? 13:44:40 <TheBoff> I'm playing against CabAI 13:44:45 <frosch123> mine always rebuilds everything, though Makefile.dep looks exactly the same as the one of makedepend :( 13:44:47 <TheBoff> and it's kicking my arse 13:45:19 <TheBoff> is it a good idea to max out loans at the start, for instance? 13:45:56 <Vikthor> only if you have use for the loan 13:46:20 <glx> and repay it as soon as you can 13:46:56 <TheBoff> ok 13:47:09 <TheBoff> but on any map size, there will be some use for the loan? 13:48:28 <TheBoff> as in, you can nearly always expand 13:50:48 <TheBoff> and is there a particular industry that gives lots of cash? 13:50:55 <TheBoff> livestock to factories seems good 13:51:02 <glx> coal is better 13:51:31 <TheBoff> ok 13:52:30 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:55 <glx> hmm ftp://ftp.jimbrooks.org/tools/makedepend_python_20050724.zip could be enough (but it's in python) 13:56:17 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc2-papw2-0-0-cust619.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:22 <glx> link taken from http://www.jimbrooks.org/web/tools/ 13:56:48 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:01 <Alberth> TheBoff: there is a window with cargo payment rates under the 'display graphs' button. 13:58:04 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 13:58:15 <TheBoff> ok, cool thanks 13:58:32 <TheBoff> I discovered openttd yesterday, and it may be seriosuly harming my exam prospects ;) 14:01:29 <Rubidium> maybe we should add "Playing OpenTTD can seriously harm your carreer prospects" on the boxes we sell ;) 14:01:30 *** TheBoff [~colin@host86-148-218-154.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: TheBoff] 14:02:05 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:09 <glx> hmm seems this python thing doesn't handle <> either 14:11:01 <SHRIKEE> hehe, i love the new trainsigns in openttd :P 14:11:43 <SHRIKEE> only sometimes trains are waiting for ages 14:11:52 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 14:25:51 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:39 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 <petern> signals, not signs 14:27:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:27:47 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 14:29:59 <Xaroth> SHRIKEE: that's mostly up to how you design your rails tho :P 14:30:06 <SHRIKEE> yea 14:30:08 <SHRIKEE> i guess 14:30:18 <Xaroth> PBS signals kick ass tbqfh 14:30:27 <SHRIKEE> pbs? 14:30:31 <Xaroth> path-based-signals 14:30:35 <SHRIKEE> ah 14:31:02 <Xaroth> 1 entry PBS before splitting the line to various station lines, right after the station a one-way signal leading them out, after which a signal combo to re-combine the track 14:31:08 <SHRIKEE> i'm a bit confused with the one way and regular pbs though 14:31:09 <Xaroth> quick, dirty but efficient 14:31:39 <Xaroth> er, the one-way signals can NOT be crossed from the other side 14:31:51 <Xaroth> the other ones can, and will not be treated as a signal when crossed from the other side 14:32:51 <SHRIKEE> and which pathfinder works best with the new signals? 14:33:02 <Xaroth> personal flavour really 14:33:26 <SHRIKEE> i think i use the default now 14:33:44 <SHRIKEE> YAPF i have 14:33:53 <frosch123> just use the recommended ones :) 14:33:58 <SHRIKEE> yea this one is 14:34:00 <SHRIKEE> ok :) 14:37:06 <frosch123> http://paste.openttd.org/181706 <- btw, can someone also explain thatone as makedepend failure? 14:37:55 <Rubidium> no, that's a compiler flaw 14:38:12 <frosch123> but it is also 'fixed' by make clean 14:38:33 <Rubidium> huh? 14:38:52 <Rubidium> ccache? 14:38:58 <Rubidium> distcc? 14:39:30 <frosch123> distcc no, ccache I guess not, but cannot tell anymore as I reconfigured for debug 14:39:38 <TinoDidriksen> I've seen that happen with my projects as well with plain gcc. Bizarre and unexplained, and I shrugged it off and continued coding... 14:39:48 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Na Prágl, Vávro, na Prágl.] 14:40:58 <petern> TrueBrain, here we go 14:41:06 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Quit: shut down] 14:41:29 <welshdragon> Xaroth: can you show me a picture of your PBS layout? 14:42:36 <Xaroth> er 14:43:03 <Xaroth> http://194.1.204.204/06-04-09_001.sav .. i think 14:43:04 <Xaroth> has some 14:44:47 <Xaroth> it uses some newgrf 14:45:17 <Xaroth> http://194.1.204.204/grfs.zip .. should have all of em 14:45:31 <welshdragon> why thank you 14:45:34 <frosch123> so 'manual industries' crashed ottd, and noone reported... seems like it is downloaded more often than used 14:45:47 <frosch123> s/crashed/crashes/ 14:46:40 <welshdragon> le be back shortly 14:47:14 <frosch123> hmm, maybe msvc zeroes unintialised memory on the stack, so no windows user noticed 14:54:16 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16027 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9555): Usage of uninitialised memory when trying to build a random new industry, but there are no industrytypes to choose from (i.e. all appearance probabilities are zero). 14:54:54 <SHRIKEE> is it better to use just PB signals or mix them up? It seems there are some weird things happening in my infrastructure 15:01:03 <Xaroth> er 15:01:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 15:01:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:01:23 <Xaroth> use only pbs for a specific route 15:01:35 <Xaroth> or use non-pbs for a specific route 15:01:51 <Xaroth> don't mix em in the same route, as that negates the use of PBS 15:01:58 <SHRIKEE> right 15:02:03 <SHRIKEE> that's what im doing wrong then :o 15:02:08 <Xaroth> It'll only calculate until the next block, not beyond it 15:02:10 <SHRIKEE> i use pbs at intersections 15:02:18 <SHRIKEE> and regular for the rest 15:02:28 <Xaroth> that can work, but make sure that you use them wisely 15:02:35 <Xaroth> not have their use being cut off by regulars 15:02:37 <SHRIKEE> yea, well its a mess now :P 15:02:53 <SHRIKEE> there are like 150 trains going crazy being lost :o 15:02:59 <SHRIKEE> :( 15:03:01 <Xaroth> then you messed up :P 15:03:04 <SHRIKEE> bigtime 15:06:00 <SHRIKEE> using just PBS seems to work for apart i tried it on 15:08:06 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 15:24:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16028 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: 15:24:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2826]: storing/loading some currencies failed due to inconsistent "tables". 15:24:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Codechange: unduplicate settings "tables" that might be made inconsistent in the future (to prevent other cases like FS#2826). 15:24:33 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:43 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:25 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0B5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:04 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:44 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0DA72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:06 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 15:38:58 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.108] has joined #openttd 15:39:54 <Xaroth> hm 15:40:44 <Xaroth> when mass-resolving all server infos from the MS, some servers keep terminating the query before fully sending the data. 15:49:01 <frosch123> [16:40] <TinoDidriksen> I've seen that happen with my projects as well with plain gcc. Bizarre and unexplained, and I shrugged it off and continued coding... <- I noticed I recently updated gcc so some of the objects were created using the old version. Did that also apply to you? 15:51:07 <TinoDidriksen> Well, that scenario has also happened to me. I tend to rsync projects between machines, and has forgotten to make clean a few times. 15:51:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:51:44 <frosch123> so you rsynced also the objects? 15:52:11 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah. But I've seen totally random failures that cleaning fixed. 16:07:48 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:12 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:14:07 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 16:21:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:26 *** valhalla2w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:46 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: *Adios Amigos*] 16:51:19 <Rubidium> Xaroth: you should read up on what UDP is and how it behaves 16:53:47 <EoD> UDP is good for spamming ;) 16:54:49 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0B5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:03:01 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:28 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:09:51 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16029 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2785]: do not give "... Mines" as name to the station of oil rigs, or more general: do not add "... Mines" when the all of the cargoes are part of the liquid, passenger or mail classes. 17:21:04 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 17:21:31 *** Patrick [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:23:59 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 17:25:35 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/depend.diff <-- not that bad :) 17:26:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:07 <Rubidium> hmm, - is what your patch adds, right? 17:27:26 <glx> yes 17:27:37 <glx> (it doesn't check -D) 17:29:18 <frosch123> hmm, maybe "endian_host" was what caused the trouble of continuous remaking 17:29:22 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:25 <frosch123> i.e. glx: does 'make' behave sane with the new Makefile.dep ? 17:32:41 <glx> well for r16029 it recompiled some saveload stuff 17:32:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:56 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:34:05 <glx> but maybe there was some leftovers 17:36:32 <frosch123> using source.list should remove the macos stuff, shouln't it? 17:37:55 <glx> well macos stuff is included from stdafx.h IIRC 17:38:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16030 /trunk/src/lang/ (traditional_chinese.txt unfinished/serbian.txt): 17:38:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-11 17:38:26 17:38:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 50 fixed by etran (50) 17:38:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 6 fixed, 2 changed by josesun (8) 17:39:08 <frosch123> I mean, source.list contains all sources and includes, but also contains #ifdefs. So if you would only include the files of `gcc -E source.list`, you do not need to process the #ifdefs in the sources 17:39:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:45 <frosch123> though I guess that is also available in some variable of the makefile 17:39:56 <frosch123> s/also/already/ 17:41:03 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ottd_depend.cpp and http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/makefile.src.diff 17:45:08 <glx> headers are not in makefile 17:45:48 <frosch123> I need '#include <string.h>' and I need to define 'MAX_PATH' :) 17:46:20 <Rubidium> MAX_PATH is probably in <limits.h> 17:46:46 <frosch123> nope 17:47:02 <glx> MAX_PATH is in stdlib.h for me 17:47:36 <Rubidium> oh, it's PATH_MAX in <limits.h> 17:49:02 <glx> I have PATH_MAX in limits.h 17:51:23 *** phidah [~phidah@0x5733a2bb.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 17:56:49 <frosch123> oh, source.list is processed by awk :) 17:57:06 <glx> during configure yes 17:57:32 <frosch123> and it removes .hpp and .h in that step 17:57:40 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 17:57:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 17:57:52 <petern> hmm 17:57:53 <glx> yes .hpp and .h are used only for generate 17:57:54 <petern> 7pm :o 17:57:59 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:59 <petern> that took a while, hehe 17:58:13 <frosch123> but .h and .hpp are also useful for the depend stuff 17:58:24 <frosch123> to exclude os specific stuff 17:58:25 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:39 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 17:59:24 <frosch123> or are you going to process the #ifdefs in ottd_depend ? 18:00:18 <frosch123> or is it good enough :) 18:00:40 <glx> I think it's not a big problem to depends on 3 extra files ;) 18:02:11 <glx> endian_host usually doesn't change 18:05:23 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:08:10 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 18:10:46 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16031 /trunk/src/highscore_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to highscore and endgame windows. 18:12:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.164.233] has joined #openttd 18:13:44 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16032 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing widget numbers of query windows. 18:44:08 <petern> TrueBrain, ping? 18:47:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80FA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81582.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:48:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:57:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:24 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:07:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has joined #openttd 19:14:46 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16033 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to about window, land-info window, and both query windows. 19:17:36 <petern> okay 19:17:47 <petern> uk.binaries.openttd.org should be fast now 19:18:00 <EoD> petern: TrueBrain is away, isn't he? 19:19:18 <Sacro> petern: hosted where? 19:24:40 <petern> where i work, obviously 19:25:25 <SpComb> your employer is officially sponsoring OpenTTD? 19:25:34 <petern> no 19:25:40 <petern> ia m 19:27:28 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEDAF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]] 19:29:57 <jonty-comp> heh 19:30:08 <jonty-comp> petern: but is it ipv6? :p 19:30:35 <petern> not yet 19:30:39 <petern> it is internally, but you can't reach it 19:30:41 <jonty-comp> pfft 19:31:14 <Pikka> woo! 19:31:32 <Pikka> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Example_NFO insane code is insane D: 19:37:58 <frosch123> @seen darkvater 19:37:58 <DorpsGek> frosch123: darkvater was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 22 hours, 51 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Darkvater> see ya guys 19:47:17 <frosch123> "Cost per overbuilt tile when building" <- how do you want to overbuild airports? 19:47:25 <Pikka> it says 19:47:28 <Pikka> :P 19:47:31 <orudge> uk.binaries.openttd.org, eh? well, I could provide a us.binaries.openttd.org! 19:48:42 <orudge> and perhaps a de.binaries.openttd.org, depending on disk spae usage 19:48:45 <orudge> *space 19:49:25 <orudge> how up-to-date is this mirror of yours, petern? it doesn't even seem to have 0.7.0... 19:49:53 <petern> not very 19:50:03 <petern> truebrain needs to synchronise it, see 19:50:06 <orudge> hmm, 71KB/s 19:50:13 <orudge> I wonder if somebody is hogging bandwidth. 19:50:17 <orudge> oh, wait 19:50:18 <orudge> I am 19:50:21 * orudge looks at uTorrent 19:50:22 <Prof_Frink> Heh. The binary says binary. 19:52:56 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:04 <Rubidium> I guess TB has disabled the mirroring for your server or so 19:53:44 <Prof_Frink> :o a UFO! Is it after my tracks or trucks? 19:54:07 <Sacro> or your tycoons 19:54:24 <orudge> hmm, 7.10MB/s from petern's server, compared to 9.53MB/s from the Netherlands 19:54:25 <orudge> apparently 19:54:32 <orudge> need a bigger file really 19:55:05 <Prof_Frink> Download Destiny of the Daleks! Then send it to me! 19:55:12 *** Blooddly [Bloodlines@81.193.71.200] has joined #openttd 19:55:14 <orudge> 9.28MB/s with a bigger file on petern's server 19:55:26 <orudge> compared to 9.81MB/s on the official server 19:55:29 <orudge> close enough not to matter, really 19:55:39 <Blooddly> http://bloodlines.mybrute.com/ << Beat me in this cute and original game! Its almost totally random!! Try it out guys :) 19:55:48 *** Blooddly was kicked from #openttd by orudge [we'll pas] 19:55:48 *** Blooddly [Bloodlines@81.193.71.200] has joined #openttd 19:55:54 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@81.193.71.200] by orudge 19:55:54 <Prof_Frink> Gravity bandwidth! 19:56:15 <orudge> 10 hops to the official binaries server, 11 to petern's! pfft! 19:56:31 <orudge> bucks.net, eh? 19:56:34 <orudge> well, well 19:56:36 <orudge> now all is revealed! 19:56:51 <Prof_Frink> As opposed to quid.co.uk 19:57:16 *** Blooddly [Bloodlines@81.193.71.200] has left #openttd [] 19:57:31 <Rubidium> petern: should I enable the mirroring to uk.binaries.openttd.org again? 19:57:51 <orudge> Rubidium: how does one go about becoming a mirror, and how much disk space and bandwidth is mirroring likely to use, could I enquire? 19:58:26 <Rubidium> lotsa diskspace for sure 19:58:31 <orudge> define "lotsa" :) 19:58:41 <petern> not much 19:59:05 <Rubidium> it's currently 16 GB 19:59:08 <orudge> oh 19:59:12 <orudge> that's not bad, then 19:59:19 <petern> 15GB on my side, heh 19:59:31 <petern> but yeah, you can start mirroring Rubidium :D 19:59:39 <Rubidium> but it'll keep growing by a few MB a day (sizeof(nightly-source.tar.bz2)) 19:59:44 <Rubidium> and when a release is made 19:59:45 <petern> now, why is this bonding shit not working on one server :( 19:59:50 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:53 <orudge> well, I can offer you a us.binaries.openttd.org 20:00:16 <Wolf01> 'night 20:00:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:00:49 <Prof_Frink> why is -source on binaries. ? 20:00:51 <Rubidium> I guess TB really should start a round robin for binaries.openttd.org ;) 20:01:08 <orudge> hmm, I have roughly 1.5TB of bandwidth to spare on that server, too 20:01:10 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: cause some people dislike subversion 20:01:15 <orudge> so I imagine an OpenTTD mirror should be no problem ;) 20:01:18 <orudge> Rubidium: think he more means the name ;) 20:02:01 <Rubidium> orudge: nah, we're only doing 0.5 TB a month and for this month LW expects near 0.9 TB 20:02:10 <orudge> mmh 20:02:20 <orudge> anyway, let me know Rubidium / TrueBrain / whoever how to go about doing the mirroring, and I shall 20:02:28 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: because a .tar.bz2 is a binary file; uploading it as ascii would corrupt it 20:03:48 <Prof_Frink> Good argument. 20:04:08 * orudge sets to work downloading binaries.openttd.org via FTP in text mode 20:08:11 <Rubidium> I'd reckon that rsync is more reliable ;) 20:08:13 <petern> lol 20:08:15 <petern> text mdoe 20:08:17 <petern> mode :/ 20:08:22 <petern> ps aux 20:08:23 <petern> er 20:09:01 <Rubidium> command not found: ps 20:10:05 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:11:05 <Rubidium> rsync complete 20:15:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:26 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:16:54 <TinoDidriksen> rsync is just wonderful... 20:19:28 <Nite_Owl> Alberth: Why do some people just not get it? 20:19:55 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 20:23:12 <Nite_Owl> actually we should have thrown Mr. Reality at him 20:23:20 <Alberth> PSVSupporter is making money with transfers only: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/making_money_with_transfer.png See the green income with Train2 20:25:16 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=780399#p780399 Proof of concept2.sav 20:26:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16034 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.cpp address.h): -Fix: compile warnings generated by 64 bits MSVC. 20:28:22 <Nite_Owl> I say we throw Belugas at him as he has now invoked reality in that thread 20:28:37 <Alberth> Nite_Owl: for some reason, 'transfer' seems like the obvious choice with unloading for newbies. I don't understand why. 20:29:47 <Nite_Owl> it could be that they started playing with the cargo destination patch where that seems to be standard behavior 20:30:23 <Alberth> would newbies even know where to find cargodest? 20:30:35 <pavel1269> good question :-) 20:30:59 <Nite_Owl> probably not 20:32:00 <Rubidium> "hi im 7 yr old an ned pathc how do i" 20:32:28 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:32:47 <jonty-comp> need what? 20:34:31 <Prof_Frink> patch I suspect. 20:35:51 <pavel1269> i have global pram .... new game .... go .... it get some value .... new game .... if in new game there is nowhere defined, what value is should be .... value is sitll from the prevorious game??? 20:36:21 <pavel1269> too many mistypes :( 20:36:46 <Rubidium> jonty-comp/Prof_Frink: read http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=780288#p780288 and the following posts ;) 20:37:22 <pavel1269> :D 20:37:30 * Rubidium ponders whether pavel1269 was trying to pretend to be stupid/lame in typing 20:37:48 <jonty-comp> oh good lord 20:38:21 <pavel1269> Rubidium: unfornutately .... no :-( 20:38:57 <pavel1269> but i hope, you can understand that 20:39:05 <Nite_Owl> is there not an age limit on the forums 20:39:27 <Nite_Owl> I thought it was around 13 or so 20:39:29 <Rubidium> well, you succeeded in writing something down my very permissive lexer/parser barfs on 20:39:58 <orudge> "I thought the gays here r really helpful but guess u ppl want to make fun not to help." 20:40:02 <orudge> and the straights aren't helpful? 20:40:03 <orudge> how rude 20:40:41 <pavel1269> we had once a guy ... 13 on server ... higher that limit? :-) 20:40:47 <Rubidium> uppl = micro parts per litre/liter? 20:40:54 <pavel1269> u ppl ... 20:40:55 <pavel1269> :-) 20:41:10 <pavel1269> Belu gas knows ;) 20:41:58 <Prof_Frink> Rub I di ummmmm... doesn't. 20:42:55 <Nite_Owl> orudge: is there an age limit on the forums? 20:43:32 <orudge> yes, you have to be young enough to not be dead 20:43:37 <orudge> there is no upper or lower age limit as such, though 20:44:52 <frosch123> what, no undead? 20:45:07 <Nite_Owl> poor wording on my part but you got what I meant 20:45:53 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 20:46:03 <pavel1269> frosh, you undead? 20:46:52 <frosch123> hmm, I remember, I added frosh to my highlight list 20:47:30 <pavel1269> sorry then :-) 20:47:42 <pavel1269> didnt want to distrupt you ;) 20:47:54 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 20:48:11 <frosch123> but I do not remember the century I did that 20:48:27 <Rubidium> probably the 21nd 20:48:59 <frosch123> twentyfirsnd :) 20:49:21 <orudge> unless he came back from the future 20:49:27 <orudge> or from the past, I guess 20:49:29 * orudge came from the past 20:51:45 <pavel1269> whats the name of last film you saw oruge? :-) 20:51:55 * Rubidium slaps my maker for my sloppy multithreaded brain implementation 20:52:26 <pavel1269> you can be happy ... i have broken singlethreaded ..... :-) 20:55:06 <pavel1269> GenerateWorld() is called on NewGame ... and Not on load ... right? 20:56:25 <TrueBrain> [22:02] <orudge> anyway, let me know Rubidium / TrueBrain / whoever how to go about doing the mirroring, and I shall <- for that of course you need to contact me :p :p 20:56:52 <TrueBrain> and 'us' is welcome, yes :p 20:58:32 <TrueBrain> but of course now you are gone :p 20:59:22 <frosch123> be careful, he always comes from the past 20:59:54 <orudge> TrueBrain: heh 20:59:58 <orudge> I am here now 21:00:07 <TrueBrain> but now I have to give a tour in ESXi :p 21:00:09 <TrueBrain> back in a bit ;) 21:00:30 <orudge> pfft 21:00:40 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:59 <TrueBrain> petern: concratz on finally managing to put it on 100 mbit ;) :p 21:05:37 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02993.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:06:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: erongi\] 21:08:24 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.118.186] has joined #openttd 21:09:22 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:10:05 <Ant_LV> hello everybody. i got interesting idea to openttd. because now it's possible situation when one industry type is more than one time per town maybe it's possible to have something like "XXX Farm #1", "XXX Farm #2"? & "XXX mines" with oil rigs are cool 21:10:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:12:29 <FauxFaux> Go do it. 21:12:41 <frosch123> but don't confuse industry names with station namesw 21:13:14 <Ant_LV> if i knew c++ it'd be easier to do it ;-] 21:15:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:20 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:17:40 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:19:59 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:12 <Roujin_> does the new widget system allow two widgets on top of each other, of which one is made invisible under certain circumstances (like it is done with the "old" system)? 21:25:30 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:40 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 21:26:09 <glx> not really 21:26:24 *** Zorn [~zorn@d138159.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 21:27:54 <Roujin> mph, then I made a really terrific choice with the content download window as a starting point for my venture into the new widget system... 21:28:20 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:35 <Roujin> "Select All" / "Select Updates" .. 21:28:47 <Roujin> *upgrades 21:29:56 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:25 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:10 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:13 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 21:31:21 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:43 <Roujin> hmm, should I merge them into one button? 21:39:39 <petern> TrueBrain, and i'm home now :D 21:39:52 <TrueBrain> petern: me 2 :) 21:39:56 <TrueBrain> spend 7 hours in a DC :p 21:40:05 <petern> yup 21:40:13 <petern> well, 3 21:40:22 <petern> biggest problem today 21:40:30 <petern> two of the rail mounting kits were busted 21:40:51 <petern> so i spent about an hour trying to repair them with only a huge screwdriver 21:44:28 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:09 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has joined #openttd 21:48:09 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest68 21:48:09 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 21:49:15 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:49:29 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 21:49:54 <petern> hmm, orudge appears to be getting 9MB/s 21:50:02 *** Guest68 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:40 <petern> well, shocking, that's only 45 times faster than it was :o 21:50:49 <orudge> well 21:50:52 <orudge> I was getting such speeds from JANET 21:50:53 <orudge> quite happily 21:50:55 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc53d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:52 <petern> also 21:54:55 <petern> 20:56 <@orudge> bucks.net, eh? 21:54:57 <TrueBrain> petern: I meant I spend 7 hours in a DC myself :) 21:55:00 <petern> was that a surprise? 21:55:03 <petern> TrueBrain, i know 21:55:05 <TrueBrain> ah :p 21:55:12 <TrueBrain> and yeah .. we had issues with a rail too .. 21:55:20 <TrueBrain> somehow those things never do what you want :p 21:55:52 <orudge> petern: you had not previously revealed the name, as far as I am aware 21:56:36 <petern> hm 21:56:47 <petern> a traceroute always gave that away 21:58:44 <petern> heh, technically it's 200Mbit/s now 21:59:52 <petern> although eth0 is mostly used. hmm 22:00:21 <TrueBrain> petern: do you know which public key I gave you for binaries transfer? :) 22:00:26 <TrueBrain> (what user has signed it? :p) 22:00:49 <TrueBrain> and you should make me a mirror.html file :p 22:02:18 <petern> www-data@openttd.org 22:02:22 <TrueBrain> k, tnx :) 22:02:30 <TrueBrain> Tomorrow ... I am going to document mirror-support :) 22:03:24 <petern> 15.8MB now 22:03:30 <petern> gone up a lot with the last sync :D 22:03:37 <petern> i assume it doesn't take too long now 22:03:59 <Rubidium> petern: off by a factor 1024? 22:05:11 <petern> *shrug* 22:05:18 <petern> hdd units? :p 22:05:38 <petern> ah, 40Mbit/s spike, heh 22:06:43 <Rubidium> aren't hdd units in blocks of 512? 22:07:10 <petern> hdd manufacturer units, i mean 22:07:13 <petern> 1000 instead of 1024 22:07:22 <petern> du -s 22:07:22 <petern> 15819804 . 22:07:29 <petern> -> 15.8 :) 22:08:43 <Rubidium> du -sh ;) 22:09:27 <petern> 16G, of course 22:09:39 <petern> 4GB of RAM is handy 22:10:16 <petern> 3.6GB of memory is used for cache :D 22:10:53 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 22:11:24 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:06 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 22:12:36 <petern> hmm, looks like lacp is distributing traffic deterministicly 22:13:00 <petern> if there was more traffic it'd even out, i guess 22:13:31 <Roujin_> hm, I'm trying to redo the content download window with the new widget system, and cannot get it to resize.. any ideas what I could've done wrong? 22:14:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:14:28 <Rubidium> for one there's a custom resize handler that might mess up things 22:14:57 <Rubidium> also the network server list isn't fool proof (when switching direction) 22:17:12 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 22:18:40 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 22:18:41 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:28:26 <petern> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 22:28:27 <petern> right? 22:28:36 <TrueBrain> that I did type today 22:28:41 <TrueBrain> although sda1 was sdb1 .. 22:28:44 <petern> ahmm, says UU 22:28:50 <petern> yeah, main reason i went to telehouse :D 22:28:55 <petern> to replace a failed drive, heh 22:28:56 <TrueBrain> so both disk in your RAID-1 are active :p 22:29:26 <TrueBrain> we did a disk dance :) That disk goes to there .. that disk to there ... 22:29:40 <TrueBrain> but always nice to get all servers back in their RAId-1 :) 22:30:17 <petern> old disk has odd looking marks on the circuit board 22:30:31 <TrueBrain> brown marks? 22:30:32 <TrueBrain> or black? 22:30:54 <petern> erm 22:30:56 <petern> neither 22:31:16 <petern> the sort of colours metal goes when it's heat treated 22:31:24 <TrueBrain> nasty :p 22:31:24 <petern> on the traces 22:31:37 <TrueBrain> we had oxidation marks on one server (the outside) 22:31:38 <petern> drive temps are ~ 30°C 22:31:42 <TrueBrain> I wonder how water got in .... 22:31:49 <petern> dripping aircon? :p 22:32:05 <petern> no doubt you've seen the famous bucket in a machine room picture... 22:32:09 <TrueBrain> not really possible .. this DC uses air-ducts 22:32:16 <petern> hehe 22:32:17 <petern> yeah 22:32:29 <petern> # hddtemp /dev/sda 22:32:29 <petern> /dev/sda: WDC WD5000AAKS-00A7B2: 30°C 22:32:32 <petern> # hddtemp /dev/sdb 22:32:32 <petern> /dev/sdb: WDC WD5000KS-00MNB0: 30°C 22:32:37 <petern> so much for getting the same model :p 22:33:07 <TrueBrain> I don't have hddtemp installed :p 22:33:25 <petern> my server's drives are now 25°C 22:33:26 <petern> bit cold 22:33:32 <petern> but better than in its old location 22:33:38 <petern> 18°C is... brrrr 22:33:40 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD's are 36C 22:33:44 <petern> perfect 22:34:00 <TrueBrain> the other one 34C 22:34:02 <TrueBrain> lol 22:34:25 <TrueBrain> the DC I am coming from shows 26C on the disks 22:34:27 <TrueBrain> also on the CPU :p 22:34:51 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.118.186] has quit [] 22:35:32 <petern> cpu temp is 27°C 22:35:47 <petern> Fans 1-4 are 11 22:35:50 <petern> whatever that means :p 22:36:06 <TrueBrain> 11 years old :p 22:36:16 <petern> probably :p 22:36:22 <petern> nah, it's not that old 22:36:33 <petern> probably 2004/5 vintage 22:36:52 <petern> but dual xeon 2.4 is not exactly bad 22:37:18 <petern> one of the servers i pulled out today was pentium 200... 22:37:53 <TrueBrain> LOL! 22:37:55 <TrueBrain> that is bad :p 22:38:04 <TrueBrain> I remember my first work ahd a 'very fast server' 22:38:05 <Rubidium> quality over speed ;) 22:38:08 <TrueBrain> dual pentium something 22:38:16 <TrueBrain> then that was cool and WOW 22:38:21 <TrueBrain> now I laugh my ass off :p 22:38:33 <TrueBrain> it is already eastern, right? 22:38:39 <TrueBrain> so I can start eating this rabbit figure, right? 22:38:48 <petern> hehe 22:38:54 <Rubidium> no, Flappie ought to be eaten at Christmas 22:39:10 <TrueBrain> hmm ... I have id_dsa here, but not the .pub which should come with it 22:39:13 <TrueBrain> nwo that is annoying :) 22:39:46 <petern> let me give you one ;) 22:39:55 <TrueBrain> a .pub? Doesn't sound too useful :) 22:40:18 <petern> is if i wanted access, hehe 22:40:28 <petern> md4 : active raid1 sda6[2] sdb6[1] 479588288 blocks [2/1] [_U] [=>...................] recovery = 8.3% (39894400/479588288) finish=102.2min speed=71642K/sec 22:40:29 <TrueBrain> I can just give you access to my home PC 22:40:31 <petern> er 22:40:32 <TrueBrain> if that makes you really happy ... 22:40:33 <petern> one line? never mind 22:40:40 <petern> gonna take a while, heh 22:40:43 <petern> TrueBrain, sure :D 22:40:50 * petern sets up the spam bots 22:40:52 <TrueBrain> you do need to wait till I get IPv6 subnet 22:40:57 <TrueBrain> as my ISP blocks all ports :( 22:41:27 <petern> :( 22:42:03 <Sacro> TrueBrain: you can generate the .pub 22:42:24 <TrueBrain> Sacro: it is not a real issue .. it just makes you wonder, how you could have moved the .pub instead of copied 22:42:38 <petern> bah, stupid laptop 22:42:50 <petern> have to keep auto calibrating the monitor cos the timings drift 22:43:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:47:42 <TinoDidriksen> id_dsa ? That's a bit old fashioned. 22:48:17 <TrueBrain> dsa? Why? 22:49:27 <TinoDidriksen> Default these days is RSA 22:50:07 <TinoDidriksen> Haven't seen a DSA key for years, back on RH 7.3. 22:56:40 <Roujin_> woah, check tt-forums.net 22:56:51 <Roujin_> "SarlKiKereimb" 22:57:15 <TrueBrain> DSS (DSA with SHA-1) is considered just as safe. Some people think that 22:57:16 <TrueBrain> DSA with RIPEMD-160 is as safe as DSS. The benefits and disadvantages 22:57:18 <TrueBrain> aren't security ones, but performance issues usually. For example, large 22:57:19 <TrueBrain> RSA keys produce much larger signatures than DSA keys of the same size. 22:57:21 <TrueBrain> FYI TinoDidriksen 22:58:46 <petern> hmm, speedy connection :D 23:00:05 <TrueBrain> US mirror is syncing as we speak :) 23:00:14 <TinoDidriksen> DSA keys are limited to 1024 bits, though, as per the standard. RSA can be any length, and defaults to 2048. 23:00:36 <petern> who needs sourceforge :D 23:00:52 <TrueBrain> petern: indeed :) 23:01:19 <petern> if you make rsync exclude mirror.html, then we can just edit it as we please 23:02:02 <TrueBrain> petern: yeah, I had that in the beginning 23:02:06 <TrueBrain> don't remember what went wrong ... 23:02:12 <petern> cos 23:02:16 <petern> i just finished one 23:02:28 <TrueBrain> and I just synced back :p 23:02:29 <petern> and it got wiped out before i could do anything with it :P 23:02:33 <TrueBrain> Sorry :$ :) 23:03:01 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, the problem was I needed a method to detect if the mirror.html file was at the other end at all 23:03:06 <TrueBrain> how can I do that ... hmm ... 23:03:16 <TinoDidriksen> rsync can produce a file listing. 23:03:37 <TinoDidriksen> ...by not specifying a destination. 23:03:44 <petern> how often do you set up a new mirror? 23:03:57 <TrueBrain> petern: not too often, but I am very lazy :) 23:04:05 <petern> might be simplest to skip it with rsync and touch the file "when" you create a new mirror :p 23:04:40 <TrueBrain> 2 actions ... 23:04:41 <TrueBrain> :( 23:04:59 <petern> :( 23:05:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:05:36 <TrueBrain> let me try something ... 23:06:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:36 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:09:34 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85d37b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 23:09:56 <petern> hmm 23:10:08 <petern> i might end up with 4 postfix processes on this (other) server :s 23:11:15 <TrueBrain> it should be possible to exclude a file from syncing when it exists, or else sync it .. 23:11:56 <TrueBrain> --ignore-existing 23:11:59 <TrueBrain> should work ... 23:13:52 <TrueBrain> okay, petern, that problem should not happen ever again :) 23:15:20 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:15:56 <petern> :D 23:16:15 <TrueBrain> so make me a new mirror.html :p 23:16:16 <TrueBrain> ghehe 23:17:04 <petern> tomorrow 23:17:10 <petern> it's WAY past my bedtime :s 23:17:13 <TrueBrain> same here 23:17:16 <TrueBrain> sorry btw :) 23:17:17 <petern> goodnight 23:17:18 <TrueBrain> and tnx ;) 23:17:19 <TrueBrain> night petern :) 23:17:21 <TrueBrain> night all 23:18:36 <Rubidium> night TrueBrain 23:24:29 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 23:25:12 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]