Log for #openttd on 10th July 2009:
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01:01:19  <Zuu> Nooo, daily backup of tt-forums, and it is not even close to night over here in west Canada.
01:01:44  <Belugas> nor in east canada ;)
01:01:52  <Belugas> but i guess we are in minority
01:02:09  <Belugas> therefor, the time is well chosen ^_^
01:02:28  <Belugas> unless if the backup is pushed like... 3 hours later
01:02:40  <Zuu> hehe, yea. But even usually when I am in Europe I'm sometimes awake when the backup is made.
01:03:05  <Belugas> hoooo... mister globe trotter...
01:03:07  <Zuu> But here its only 6 pm, so you should be eating dinner or so not checking tt-forums anyways.
01:03:25  * Belugas is going down, tv
01:03:33  <Belugas> it's 21:00h after all..
01:03:38  <Zuu> Oh, have a nice TV time
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03:47:41  <bp0> hello, how to get the music in llinux?
03:48:02  <bp0> i have copied the music to gm
03:48:38  <bp0> also the "content downloading" box has a grey-out download button
03:48:41  <bp0> so is unusable
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08:45:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> hello
08:45:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> anyone here can help me with a patch?
08:45:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
08:45:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant apply teh darn patch, and i dont understand why i cannot do it
08:46:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> i just got myself a clean trunk and latest revision
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08:46:54  <Rubidium> patch -p1?
08:47:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> im using tha tortoise differ:P
08:47:23  <Rubidium> i.e. tortoisesvn apply
08:47:29  <Rubidium> +won't
08:47:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes i did, but its empty XD
08:47:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes it wont work with tortoise:)
08:48:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> 1) why not  the previous version did....2) what other program can i use as complete n00b
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08:48:42  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: because TortoiseSVN requires a *very* specific format patch files...
08:49:00  <Rubidium> ... and that patch isn't in that specific format
08:49:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> @rubidium, yes but the previous patch files in there had that:(
08:49:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i patch it then?
08:49:12  <Rubidium> you need 'patch'
08:49:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> where i get thatXD
08:49:35  <ZxBiohazardZx> and is it just as "easy"
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08:50:16  <Rubidium> depends what you call easy
08:50:21  <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i use tortoise svn and meush's guide
08:50:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> i think MINGW was a hell XD but i figured that out
08:50:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> so just point me to the right program
08:50:48  <ZxBiohazardZx> and ill try wikiing my way through:P
08:51:09  <Rubidium>
08:51:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> download "complete package except sources" ?
08:52:32  <Rubidium> depends on whether you want to compile it yourself or not
08:52:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> no i hate compiling:P
08:52:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> i think i got it running:P installed that is
08:54:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> alright it opens some sort of command prompt window (correct?)
08:54:23  <Rubidium> well, it's a command line tool
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08:54:27  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
08:54:36  <ZxBiohazardZx> so yeah command prompt would be right:P
08:54:49  <ZxBiohazardZx> alright now i got to browse my way to the "trunk" dir?
08:54:59  <Rubidium> yup
08:55:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> cd c:/  etc?
08:55:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> zomg that doesnt do shit XD
08:57:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> eeehm how do i browse dirs in the patch prog?
08:57:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i get a command prompt, but no feedback in it at all
08:59:05  <Rubidium> see the 'how to apply patch' thread on the forum
08:59:22  <ZxBiohazardZx> @rubidium got any guide or so to using this program, cause wiki only points to tortoise :(
08:59:33  <petern> open a command window
08:59:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> i have the command window opened
08:59:43  <petern> go to your source tree
08:59:51  <petern> run patch there
08:59:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant get to tree
09:00:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant even browse
09:00:06  <petern> no
09:00:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow wait you want me to plain run cmd
09:00:10  <petern> run a command window
09:00:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> not the binary
09:00:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk
09:00:18  <petern> fuck sake
09:00:26  <petern> do people know fucking nothing about anything these days
09:00:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> hey im complete n00b, kk
09:00:28  <petern> fucking idiots
09:00:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> petern nothing about this on the wiki
09:00:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> and thx for flaming, im trying to learn:)
09:00:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> i know how to get my cmd kkthx
09:00:53  <TrueBrain> petern: please don't forget to take your pills
09:00:57  <TrueBrain> like .. every hour
09:00:59  <petern> TrueBrain, shit
09:01:00  <petern> yeah
09:01:04  <petern> sorry ZxBiohazardZx man
09:01:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> but nobody told me to start cmd, i though you wanted me to get the patch-prog-cmd
09:01:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> :)
09:01:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk im in the trunk dir:)
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09:01:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> fuck lol i suck @ cmd:P
09:01:48  <TrueBrain> Get a good book, I say :)
09:01:51  <petern> then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff"
09:01:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> its cd c:/ right? (to get to c:\ from c:\ bla bal bla
09:02:03  <petern> oh
09:02:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD yes:)
09:02:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> sweet:)
09:02:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> i can do this:P
09:02:20  <petern> lol
09:02:21  <ZxBiohazardZx> im in trunk dir:)
09:02:23  <petern> what a moment i had
09:02:28  * petern goes to get a coffee
09:02:32  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe
09:02:37  <TrueBrain> petern: get one for me too please
09:02:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> skip me:)
09:02:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> i already have mine:)
09:02:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> im in trunk dir
09:03:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> so now i got to specefy patch?
09:04:03  <ZxBiohazardZx> the trunk is: c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and the patch is in c:\BuildOTTD
09:04:20  <TrueBrain> [11:01] <petern> then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff"
09:05:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> step by step explaination plz:)
09:05:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> i get the patch:P
09:05:16  <TrueBrain> you type in the letters:
09:05:18  <TrueBrain> p
09:05:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> thats stating you want to do that:P
09:05:19  <TrueBrain> a
09:05:21  <TrueBrain> t
09:05:22  <TrueBrain> c
09:05:23  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk thx
09:05:24  <TrueBrain> h
09:05:25  <TrueBrain> <spacebar>
09:05:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> i can do that
09:05:34  <ZxBiohazardZx> but then the -p whats that for?
09:05:37  <TrueBrain> I start to doubt that ;)
09:05:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk thx true:)
09:06:14  <TrueBrain>
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09:06:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> kkthx much better:)
09:06:38  <TrueBrain> (if you want to know the details, use the manual)
09:06:48  <TrueBrain> (else just accept what wel tell you :p)
09:08:17  <petern> actually
09:08:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe kk
09:08:22  <petern> i got a cup of tea
09:08:27  <ZxBiohazardZx> patch -pnum <patchfile  (how to determine num?)
09:09:01  <TrueBrain> for all we care: try and error
09:09:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> and for my patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780  it would be
09:09:30  <ZxBiohazardZx> patch -p0 < smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff ?
09:09:56  <TrueBrain> TRY IT
09:09:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> trunk being c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and patch c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780?
09:09:59  <TrueBrain> it wouldn't kill you
09:10:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> lol
09:10:10  <TrueBrain> if it fails, try something else
09:10:24  <TrueBrain> and if you want someone to hold your hand ... well .. wrong channel :)
09:10:38  <ZxBiohazardZx> :)
09:10:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> i like holding hands:)
09:10:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk cannot find file:)
09:11:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> does that mean i have to change the filename into full dir-location?
09:11:42  <TrueBrain> I think he does have a brain after all :)
09:12:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> patch is not recognized as internal or external assignment, program or batchfile
09:12:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> (dutch version)
09:12:17  <TrueBrain> so what should we do about that?
09:12:23  <ZxBiohazardZx> no freaking clue
09:12:30  <TrueBrain> really?
09:12:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> i think the patch-program isnt working:P
09:12:32  <TrueBrain> none?
09:12:56  <ZxBiohazardZx> i think the "patch" program isnt functioning as the "patch" command isnt recognised?
09:13:02  <TrueBrain> if I would put a cup of coffee in your living room, and put you in the bathtub, would you be able to drink the cup of coffee?
09:13:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> but im 100% sure i installed the godamn prog
09:13:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe
09:13:18  <TrueBrain> in fact, would you be able to SEE the cup of coffee?
09:13:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess not
09:13:38  <ZxBiohazardZx> but i just said i pointed to the coffee:P
09:13:45  <TrueBrain> so maybe, just maybe, you want to tell your ocmmand line where exactly 'the cup of coffee' is
09:13:57  <TrueBrain> no, you yelled really hard: CUP OF COFFEE!!!
09:14:03  <TrueBrain> but coffee is known for not replying
09:14:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> i just stated: patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780
09:14:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> but it replies with (dutch) patch wordt niet herkend als interne of externe opdrach, programma of batchbestand
09:14:45  <TrueBrain> where is patch located?
09:15:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
09:15:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> thats the patchfile
09:15:13  <TrueBrain> no no, the application
09:15:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow lol
09:15:37  <petern> hehe
09:15:40  <petern> put it in your path
09:15:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
09:15:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> i think
09:15:50  <TrueBrain> petern: I think that would be too much to ask
09:15:54  <petern> if you don't understand that, put it in c:\windows ;)
09:15:58  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: we don't think in the world of computing
09:15:59  <TrueBrain> we make sure
09:16:22  <TrueBrain> you can try to ask Windows if he wants to go start looking where you left your cup of coffee
09:16:23  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain im complete idiot, after a long time i got MINGW to work for me, im just a complete n00b
09:16:27  <TrueBrain> but I truly doubt it would be able
09:16:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> and you only offer pro-lessons:)
09:16:36  <reldred> This is almost as painful to watch as the phone conversation I overheard the other day of a man trying to explain to his wife over the phone how to pump a bike tire -_-
09:16:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> im complete n00b and true/peter only give pro-manuals:)
09:17:10  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: if you think this is 'pro' anything
09:17:15  <TrueBrain> you really are an idiot, yes, I have to grant you that :)
09:17:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> :)
09:17:44  <TrueBrain> as I ask you very specific questions, and you answer like: well .. something like that I guess somewhere somehow in some universe
09:17:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> i never done any programming or such, the hardest till this darn ottd_revision stuff was my ascent core for warcraft
09:17:54  <TrueBrain> like going to the bank: I want to withdraw money
09:17:55  <TrueBrain> how much sir?
09:17:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> and that was doable with tortoise-svn
09:18:03  <TrueBrain> I just want to withdraw money! NOW GIVE IT TO ME
09:18:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
09:18:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> you asked a question, i replied
09:18:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 is where the patch program is located
09:18:27  <TrueBrain> so we try again: where is 'patch' located
09:18:31  <TrueBrain> without the: 'I think'
09:18:35  <TrueBrain> okay
09:18:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
09:18:43  <TrueBrain> so if you know Windows has no clue what so ever where 'patch' is
09:18:47  <TrueBrain> how would you tell him where it is?
09:19:04  <TrueBrain> (remember, computer are even dumber)
09:19:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> no idea, i hoped the installation of patch would "tell" windows that it is located in that dir and defines the patch action
09:19:33  <TrueBrain> clearly, it doesn't
09:19:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> aparently XD
09:19:46  <TrueBrain> so ... instead of using 'patch', we will use ........
09:19:50  <TrueBrain> (fill in the blanks :p)
09:19:55  <TrueBrain> make us proud!
09:20:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> command prompt i assume?
09:20:19  <TrueBrain> reldred: I sure hope you are recording this :)
09:20:27  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain im a complete n00b
09:20:34  <ZxBiohazardZx> so i cant see where we are going
09:20:41  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: a noob we can handle; people refusing to think are another category :)
09:20:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> its like stepping into a car, and then starting to drive without a destination
09:20:48  <TrueBrain> c:\Program Files\GnuWin32\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780
09:20:54  <TrueBrain> blegh, I hate to touch hands ... makes me feel gay
09:21:00  <ZxBiohazardZx> there is no "patch'
09:21:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> in C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 ther are folders only
09:21:12  <TrueBrain> .....
09:21:14  * reldred slaps his forehead
09:21:17  <TrueBrain> so you lied to me! :'(
09:21:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> bin, contrib, doc, man, manifest, uninstall
09:21:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> no i did not godamnit
09:21:35  <TrueBrain> [11:18] <TrueBrain> so we try again: where is 'patch' located
09:21:36  <TrueBrain> [11:18] <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
09:21:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes
09:21:49  <TrueBrain> please, don't call names, it is not polite
09:21:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> thats the installation directory, so thats where its located at?
09:22:09  <TrueBrain> one way to look at it
09:22:13  <TrueBrain> ever used Explorer to check out the dir?
09:22:16  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes
09:22:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> i do
09:22:19  <TrueBrain> now find where patch(.exe) is located
09:22:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> else i cant tell the stupid folders:P
09:22:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> id assume in bin:)
09:22:40  <TrueBrain> I hate assumptions
09:22:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch
09:22:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> :)
09:22:50  <TrueBrain> so ... can you NOW do the math?
09:22:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess so 1 sec
09:23:16  <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
09:23:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> command doesnt allow copy/paste (lame)
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09:24:25  <ZxBiohazardZx> FUCK
09:24:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> same shit
09:24:45  <ZxBiohazardZx> c:\Program is not recognised as program
09:24:51  <TrueBrain> haha
09:24:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> space = _ in cmd?
09:24:52  <TrueBrain> okay
09:24:54  <TrueBrain> that you can't help
09:24:56  <TrueBrain> Windows sucks
09:25:06  <TrueBrain> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
09:25:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD i assum eeither _ or nospace?
09:25:08  <Rubidium> either quote the whole application name
09:25:19  <TrueBrain> Windows really is the most stupiest OS ever invented
09:25:24  <Rubidium> or using the 8.3 representation of the long file names, if you can guess them
09:25:27  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
09:25:29  <TrueBrain> who names a base dir with a space, if you can't handle it correctly
09:25:40  <ZxBiohazardZx> default folder:(
09:25:53  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: Linux can't either handle spaces in that way in paths
09:26:01  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: '\ '
09:26:02  <TrueBrain> ;)
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09:26:16  <TrueBrain> either way, no base dir in linux has a space
09:26:24  <TrueBrain> in fact, you can use linux for ages without any spaces in dirs :p
09:26:26  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: Windows' tab completetion does quote if needed
09:26:30  <reldred> TrueBrain: I love that, in an effort to make things 'easier', they've made it harder. I've taught absolute noobs how to browse UNIX filesystems and they've understood quite well
09:26:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> ok now i get the following line: File to patch
09:27:15  <Rubidium> it all started with the early MSDOS where 'they' chose to use '/' for parameters
09:27:40  <Rubidium> then they decided to introduce paths and were forced to go with '\'
09:27:55  <Rubidium> later they found out they wanted to escape stuff, so you ended up with '\'
09:27:58  <reldred> Numbnuts
09:28:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> someone answer my question?
09:28:51  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: was it a question?
09:28:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> File to patch, can that also be a "dir"
09:29:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> because i assume i want c:\BuildOTTD\trunk in there?
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09:29:27  <TrueBrain> in general, when it asks you for a specific file, you need to change the -p value
09:29:32  <TrueBrain> or make sure you are in the right dir ;)
09:29:39  <TrueBrain> -p0 for SVN patches, -p1 for hg and git patches
09:30:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> so i got to make it p1? instead of p0 XD
09:31:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i abort the "File to patch" question?
09:31:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> i tried empty and skip "y"  but then returns the "File to patch" again
09:31:23  <TrueBrain> CTRL+C?
09:31:37  <TrueBrain> the universal: GET ME OUT OF HERE, keystroke sequence
09:31:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk
09:31:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> i just kept enter+y-ing and got out
09:31:58  <TrueBrain> doesn't work on my IRC client, sadly enough
09:32:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> so its same sentance, but with -p1 instead of -p0?
09:32:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> goddamn cmd, why cant i just edit 1 number:(
09:32:36  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow lol i can:)
09:32:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
09:32:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> wow another lesson learned:)
09:33:00  <ZxBiohazardZx> no fucking way, errors:(
09:33:11  <Noldo> *snif*
09:33:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> assertation failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5-9-src/patch.c line 354
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09:33:45  <ZxBiohazardZx> this application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way
09:33:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> so -p1 isnt right?
09:34:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff  returned the assertation error i just stated
09:34:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> hates it
09:34:46  <TrueBrain> very cool; and I have no clue
09:35:01  <reldred> You didn't assert hard enough. It's a computer! A machine! You need to talk like a MAN TO IT. It responds to COMMANDS! YOU NEED TO COMMAND IT. DON'T TAKE IT'S SHIT!
09:35:08  <reldred> Okay, I'm sorry, I'll leave now
09:35:15  <TrueBrain> lol @ reldred
09:35:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> relred im a complete n00b
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09:35:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> the p0 offered a question, p1 returned with error
09:36:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> so if i try P0 and just give a dir rather then file, will it work?
09:36:03  <reldred> Then go do something else, you're out of your own depth.
09:36:04  <TrueBrain> means -p0 is wrong, and -p1 fucks up something
09:36:16  <TrueBrain> try it?
09:36:19  <TrueBrain> why ask our permission?
09:36:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk
09:36:22  <reldred> However I do admire your persistance
09:36:30  <TrueBrain> if you go to the toilet in a moment, you want us to agree on that too?
09:36:32  <ZxBiohazardZx> cause you guys are tha pro's and im tha n00b:)
09:36:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe nah im the toilet pro:) i can handle that:)
09:37:07  <Noldo> and you will stay that way if don't start using your own head instead of TrueBrain's
09:37:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> if your new in a city, youd ask the local residents the locations as well:)
09:37:18  * Rubidium a pro on Windows? Hell yeah... last time I used it as my main desktop was... 2002
09:37:46  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: we can give you a fish, sure ... but it is a tiny bit more useful to teach you how to fish
09:38:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain you can teach me how to fish yes, but first id need a fishing rod and some bait...
09:38:34  <ZxBiohazardZx> im willing to learn a bit, but dont expect me to catch a swordfish in my first attempt ?
09:38:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> the p1 fucks up, and p0 was "wrong"
09:39:23  <TrueBrain> currently, you can't even figure out how to get your bait in the water ;) But it doesn't matter :)
09:39:39  <TrueBrain> I really have no idea why patch would fuck up
09:39:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk the -p0 pointing to dir wont work
09:39:45  <ZxBiohazardZx> it is requesting a file
09:39:49  <TrueBrain> so give it to him
09:39:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> and p1 returns that stupid criterror:P
09:40:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> its a patch for the dir not for a file
09:40:21  <TrueBrain> and in that patch are tiny patches per file
09:40:24  <Rubidium> oh... let me guess... it's Windows, right... so it horrible breaks down with non-Windows newlines
09:40:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> i have no clue what "file" i have to supply for the minimap-zoom_r16780 patch so it works kk
09:40:25  <TrueBrain> it can't do magic you know
09:40:37  <TrueBrain> it tells you
09:40:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium yes its windows:)
09:40:49  <TrueBrain> On MS-Windows, the patchfile must be a text file, i.e. CR-LF must be used as line endings. A file with LF may give the error: "Assertion failed, hunk, file patch.c, line 343," unless the option '--binary' is given.
09:40:50  <ZxBiohazardZx> lemmy see
09:41:08  <TrueBrain> source:
09:41:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> omg to much info:P
09:41:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> its a .diff file
09:41:18  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I expected more from patch .....
09:41:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> but thats same as .txt right?
09:41:21  <Rubidium> and because it's a git patch it has non-Windows newlines
09:41:23  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: .diff == .patch
09:41:28  <TrueBrain> nobody cares what the extension is :p
09:41:30  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes and its also .txt
09:41:47  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it is gnu*win*32-patch
09:41:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> and im using MS windows and its a text file
09:41:54  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: stupid :)
09:42:09  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: unix patch does 'the right thing', but I don't expect that on Windows
09:42:25  <TrueBrain> I expected that from the porters ...
09:42:28  <Rubidium> I guess ZxBiohazardZx is screwed
09:42:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> noes:(
09:42:45  <TrueBrain> 2 easy ways out: do what the line above suggests
09:42:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> im always screwed
09:42:47  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: git has (had?) massive newlines troubles
09:42:51  <TrueBrain> or open the file and save it again
09:42:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> this is the 2nd time i get fucked
09:43:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> stupid patches that dont go in tortoiseSVN anymore
09:43:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> how hard is it to make it tortoise proof:S
09:43:26  <TrueBrain> tortoiseSVN uses 'patch' :p
09:43:29  <Rubidium> it just shows that Windows is become more and more a platform NOT suitable for development
09:43:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> it worked in tortoise till last version, then it was "changed"
09:43:50  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain i dont care how tortoiseSVN does it, i click apply patch and it works:)
09:43:59  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: it wasn't changed; the version you downloaded is rewritten from scratch, he just didn't open a new thread
09:44:06  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file, and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type
09:44:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> so i save it as?
09:44:34  <ZxBiohazardZx> i can " open" the diff with tortoise:P
09:44:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> and see all lines:P
09:44:45  <TrueBrain> so apply them one by one yourself
09:44:47  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: we can only give you clues as we don't have Windows, as a result we can't do the searching work in Windows to give you the exact manual what you need to do
09:44:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> hmhm
09:44:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> one by one?
09:45:09  <TrueBrain> will work for sure
09:45:13  <TrueBrain> or you can take my suggestion and try that
09:45:16  <TrueBrain> but it is all your choice
09:45:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> i need to figure out tha files of the trunk that are updated?
09:45:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain what suggestion?:P
09:45:36  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file (with Notepad or what ever), and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type
09:45:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> ill open it with notepad
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09:45:56  <TrueBrain> most likely even Word can do that for you
09:46:02  <TrueBrain> it is stupid enough for it
09:46:10  <TrueBrain> 'kladblok' can't
09:46:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> damnit
09:46:14  <TrueBrain> 'wordpad' I believe it is called can
09:46:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> im using kladblok
09:46:21  <ZxBiohazardZx> crap
09:46:24  <TrueBrain> kladblok is SO STUPID
09:46:29  <TrueBrain> but wordpad is also default installed
09:46:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> im n00b kktxh
09:46:32  <reldred> That's the point
09:46:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> wordpad it is:0
09:46:50  <reldred> Notepad is made to do one thing and do JUST that.
09:47:06  <ZxBiohazardZx> i got wordpad:)
09:47:08  <reldred> And for that, it is the only capable piece of software loaded by default with Windows
09:47:10  <reldred> I love notepad
09:47:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> save as "end-line" type?
09:47:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> that is?
09:48:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> i got few options: RTF, Text, Text(msdos), UNICODE
09:48:20  <TrueBrain> Text(msdos)
09:48:23  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk
09:48:57  <TrueBrain> reldred: it does it 100% the windows way. \n is not a new line, it is a stupid char if it doesn't come with \r
09:49:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> ok its now saved as Text(msdos)
09:49:08  <TrueBrain> who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p
09:49:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> now i go to command and do the patch again?
09:49:27  <TrueBrain> try it
09:49:28  <TrueBrain> who knows
09:49:45  <reldred> TrueBrain: Oldschool terminals, serial interfaces, teletype machines, etc.
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09:50:03  <reldred> TrueBrain: It's a throwback to typewriters, new line, THEN carriage return, or vice versa.
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09:50:18  <TrueBrain> reldred: yup ... OLD! Outdated .. widely seen as a big mistake :p
09:50:24  <TrueBrain> and Windows still carries it .. silly Windows :p
09:50:33  <reldred> TrueBrain: Old serial printers had to be told by the mainframe all of those stupid little things.
09:50:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780v1.txt
09:50:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> or p0?
09:50:52  <reldred> eh, I work with serial protocols often enough so it kinda warms my heart a little bit
09:51:09  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT!
09:51:13  <reldred> And eh, if unix compatibilty is an issue I reopen the file in wordpad, it seems to behave
09:51:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> "patching file src/smallmap.gui.cpp" but instantly returns with commandline
09:51:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> so did it work?
09:51:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> :P
09:52:02  <reldred> Which reminds me, I need to go get a ream of paper for a dotmatric printer, since I now actually own one that still works :D
09:52:07  <reldred> *dotmatrix
09:52:13  <reldred> A serial one at that :D
09:52:29  <blathijs> 11:49:08 < TrueBrain> who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p <-- A single \n should really go to the next line, but keep the column the same :-p
09:52:32  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: check with TortoiseSVN!
09:52:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD eeehm check with Tortoise?:P
09:52:50  <reldred> It's actually made for interpreting SMDR streams from phone systems to print hotel call accounting shite, but it apparently will work as a straight serial printer
09:52:56  <TrueBrain> blathijs: I know that :) Still it doesn't make sense with computers :p
09:53:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> remember im idiot, so i try finding the file and open it with tortoise XD?
09:53:38  <TrueBrain> no ....
09:53:43  <TrueBrain> you check the dir if it contains modified files
09:53:47  <TrueBrain> (which it will, but okay)
09:54:01  <ZxBiohazardZx> there is a dir with that file
09:54:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> but i have no clue if its altered XD
09:55:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> if i just complile and run
09:55:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> id figure out as well right?
09:55:25  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT!
09:55:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> i love your truebrain
09:55:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> does a red ! in the folder means altered?
09:55:58  <TrueBrain> yup
09:56:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> cause only the "signals (signalsintunnel/bridge) and smallmapgui have that
09:56:16  <ZxBiohazardZx> so i guess it worked
09:56:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> kk now back to my minGW compiler XD see how i manage that:P
09:56:46  <TrueBrain>
09:56:53  <TrueBrain> just a .. suggestion
09:57:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
09:57:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> i already donated once, i think thats enough myself
09:58:00  <TrueBrain> just saying ;)
09:58:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> man omg
09:58:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> in MinGW its cd c:\ for browsing c:\ right?
09:58:48  <ZxBiohazardZx> why doesnt it work then :S
09:59:14  <TrueBrain> pebkac
09:59:21  <ZxBiohazardZx> pebkac?
09:59:36  <TrueBrain> no mingw user here, so I can't help you with that
09:59:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> aww:(
09:59:52  <reldred> mmm, a pebkac error. I'm afraid you're stuffed ZxBiohazardZx.
10:00:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> relred what you mean?
10:00:31  <TrueBrain> which morron at imdb thought it would be a good idea to put Cast above 'Category' ...
10:00:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
10:00:40  <TrueBrain> idiots .. made their website completely annoying and useless
10:00:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> lolz kk i found it:)
10:00:58  <reldred> Damn kids these days and their proficiency with google!
10:01:17  * reldred mutters something and goes off to make a peanut butter sandwich
10:01:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> cd ~/ottdsrc (on wiki)
10:01:46  <TrueBrain> and I hate my surround system is still not on transport!! :'( No fun this weekend :(
10:01:49  <ZxBiohazardZx> but the cd commands seem to do shit:S
10:02:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> hates mingw again
10:02:26  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: I've got a free tip for you, do you want it?
10:02:35  <ZxBiohazardZx> yes i do rubidium
10:02:48  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: read the fine manuals
10:03:00  <ZxBiohazardZx> lol i found it
10:03:16  <ZxBiohazardZx> cmd (windows) wants c:\ and mingw wants c:/
10:03:22  <ZxBiohazardZx> mind the / and \ are different
10:03:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> lame
10:03:37  <TrueBrain> welcome to the wonderful world of windows
10:03:48  <Rubidium> I already talked about that, Windows is bug compatible with MSDOS 1
10:03:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> lol windows is crap i know
10:04:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> but with my megauberskills im not going to get linux (yet)
10:04:45  <Rubidium> the amount of money that would've been saved by trashing /? for comments when they went to paths is really enormous
10:04:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> and mac is only good for heavy-graphic-depending branches as far as i know
10:04:58  <Rubidium> s/comment/command/
10:05:21  <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: your knowledge is flawed, but that is okay :)
10:05:35  <ZxBiohazardZx> lol dont you love / and \ ? you can make nice pictures with it:)
10:05:36  <TrueBrain> 10 years ago you were right
10:05:48  <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah kk truebrain i figured that out
10:05:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> we got some macs @ university
10:06:10  <Ammler> nowadays, it doesn't really matter anymore. all OSes are that good as the user.
10:06:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> though only architecture and Industrial design use them
10:06:19  <TrueBrain> Ammler: Windows isn't
10:06:32  <Ammler> :-)
10:06:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> civil engineers dont care, thus use windows, we dont need tha uber gfx and most progs are windows based
10:06:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> the reason people chose windows: they are used to it
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10:07:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> on a mac they cant find what they want, they are looking for right-mouse-actions etc etc
10:07:30  <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway im compiling:)
10:07:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> woot:)
10:07:44  <Rubidium> and the short term TCO is lower than for Linux, but then again... do you know any manager that looks more than 1 year ahead?
10:07:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> once this monkey knows the trick, he can do it as often as you want:P
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10:08:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium with these economic times they start doing so...
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10:08:37  <reldred> Not really, we're still getting the fools to buy new telephone PABX's that they really don't need :)
10:08:47  <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: yeah right..., ask Belugas... it must be finished yesterday, don't really care about bugs we can fix those later
10:09:38  <Rubidium> but the manager never found out that fixing bugs after a release is massively more expensive
10:09:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium you mean the managers right? yeah some are still n00b but others are smart enough to get a new vision and change things
10:09:50  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe
10:10:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> users hate bugs if they experience troubles because of it
10:10:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> i know from my wow-private server, bug-complaints XD
10:10:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow btw
10:10:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> will infra-share be integrated in trunk one day?
10:10:56  <Rubidium> primarily because it must be released at a specific date
10:10:59  <ZxBiohazardZx> same question for some other branches
10:11:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> when/who decides what branches will be integrated in trunk
10:12:06  <Rubidium> a dev whenever (s)he is comfortable with it
10:12:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> cause some things are branched all time (aka have to update every revision) and some are integrated in the trunk, but who decides what branches are added, and when they are integrated?
10:12:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> alright
10:12:22  <ZxBiohazardZx> alright:)
10:12:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> and when its in, it stays in? or its removed after not used/permission expires?
10:13:12  <Rubidium> it's removed if it's much worse than expected
10:13:37  <ZxBiohazardZx> IUE errors are tha best
10:13:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> ok
10:14:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> where can i check if a branch has been added (apart from the forums, read every thread ever made)?
10:14:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> is there a "integrated branch" in the changelogs or?
10:14:27  <Rubidium> IUE?
10:14:59  <Noldo> ZxBiohazardZx: what are you looking for?
10:15:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> IUE=> "Incompetent User Error"
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10:16:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> noldo, specificly: tunnels on birdge/tunnel, infra-sharing, minimap-zoom, new/latestbreakdowns patch, and a few more "usefull" permanent inplantations XD
10:16:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> but i was wondering if there was a list of included branches or a changelog that shows integrations
10:19:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidum and truebrain the minimap works, thx for helping me out:)
10:19:32  <TrueBrain> no problem; just remember us when you ahve a bit of money left over :p
10:19:39  <TrueBrain> yearly payments are coming up ...
10:21:06  <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain i already mentionned i donated once and thats enough for me XD
10:21:11  <TrueBrain> hehe :)
10:21:14  <TrueBrain> fair enough ZxBiohazardZx ;)
10:21:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess thats more then alot of others do;)
10:21:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> im donating alot of screenshots from my Tayvan Transport game
10:22:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> that i hope you all like:)
10:22:18  <TrueBrain> :)
10:26:52  <ZxBiohazardZx> uploading some older shots of that game atm:P
10:26:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> to bad i picked a massive map
10:27:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> so not everyone knows what im doing and where
10:27:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> but i hope my eye-candy/scenery keeps players on my stories:P
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10:33:54  <dragonhorseboy> hey
10:34:11  <dragonhorseboy> just wondering about it but anyone here want to play a map with dbsetxl/etc soon?
10:39:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> why?
10:39:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> you want one?
10:39:19  <ZxBiohazardZx> i can try one in my next project screenshots
10:39:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> but only if i take a break from my tayvan game
10:39:40  <dragonhorseboy> nah..just seeing if anyone might be interested if I hosted one (rather than playing usual)
10:39:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> aha
10:39:51  <dragonhorseboy> so i could make sure the grf list know
10:42:07  <dragonhorseboy> tayvan?
10:42:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe
10:43:00  <ZxBiohazardZx> see screenshot directory:)
10:43:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> its a massive map
10:43:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> basicly to make some eye-candy games
10:43:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> but to be honest, the citys got to big, so i cant really do what i want properly
10:43:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> but im still trying to do new things, make it look good etc etc
10:43:52  * dragonhorseboy whacks stupid ottd
10:44:09  <sdafsdf> you can reduce city growth
10:44:21  <sdafsdf> and make it so none of them are cities
10:44:27  <sdafsdf> makes them grow slower
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10:44:30  <dragonhorseboy> meh I think basecost.grf seem to be really broken. thats the third time I find that even setting '255' value for terraform cost still does not remove the excessive pricetags
10:44:54  <dragonhorseboy> the wiki readme explictly says '255' disables it but this doesn't seem to be happening :-|
10:45:57  <dragonhorseboy> *pokes some more*
10:46:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> sdafsdf they already are to big,
10:47:00  <ZxBiohazardZx> and removing parts of the city makes it even uglier
10:47:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> but yeah i still have some nice area's
10:47:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> town growth is none already
10:47:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> but im out guys, i might be back
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10:47:51  * dragonhorseboy sighs
10:47:57  <dragonhorseboy> guess I'll just set planes to zero
10:48:58  <petern> you set it to 255 then started a new game?
10:49:17  <dragonhorseboy> yeah
10:49:53  <dragonhorseboy> it seem to be stuck at one single value all the times regardingly of whatever basecost.grf parameter says ... weird thing is the airport and bridge costs are actually working properly
10:50:08  <dragonhorseboy> its only the terraform parameter alone that seem to be broken in an odd way
10:51:08  <dihedral> hello
10:51:21  <dragonhorseboy> I'm going play without it for now anyway .. don't want force players into bankrupt over just a few simple tiles lowering
10:51:54  <dragonhorseboy> hey dihedral how're you?
10:51:56  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: I said you, it was my first trip newgrfs
10:52:04  <Ammler> to*
10:52:27  <dragonhorseboy> ammler..yeah I know..its just weird that it seem to work fine on its own but as soon as you load multiply other grfs the terraform cost goes broke
10:52:34  <Ammler> that is why it wasn't on bananas and still hidden there.
10:52:51  <dragonhorseboy> but I don't even have any other landscape-related grf except perhaps for TTRS/TBRS but can these two really affect that
10:52:54  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, what i love doing, is moving the players to spectator, and then deleting the company ^^
10:52:58  <dihedral> then they can watch it :-D
10:53:02  <Ammler> and modifing base costs on a running game isn't that easy anyway.
10:53:03  <dihedral> just where they were building
10:53:04  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..very funny :P
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10:53:52  <dragonhorseboy> ammler..well I'm trying to get a new preset grf list and testing it on random generated 256x256 maps to see what to settle on before finally starting a server game
10:53:58  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: if you set it to 255, it uses the bascosts of other negrfs, doesn't need to be ttd default
10:55:14  <dragonhorseboy> well ammler.this is the way it goes... if I don't have basecost the cost for one foundation tile is about K DM with construction cost set to low in difficulity. but as soon as I add basecost.grf even with the parameter at 255 it shoots to K DM
10:55:31  <dragonhorseboy> DEM* sorry
10:56:15  <dihedral> <- the attached image shows a graphical glitch with the position of text
10:56:34  <dihedral> the position of the equivalent of "noiselevel"
10:56:48  <dragonhorseboy> and weirdly enough setting the grf to a value over 10 actually can raise it to eg 96K DEM etc .. but using a lower value (even just '2') seem to always be stuck at K DEM for some reason unknown yet
10:57:55  <dragonhorseboy> but like I was also saying..all other parameters work just perfectly from '1' through '15' values (0DEM or 0K DEM small airport? hehehe)
10:58:20  <dragonhorseboy> anyway thats all I have to comment on basecost.grf for now ;)
10:58:56  <dragonhorseboy> brb to finish up the preset grf list
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11:02:04  <dragonhorseboy> hmmm.. breakdown off or reduced :P
11:04:05  <dihedral> you know - there are only like 100 people playing at any given time
11:04:14  <dragonhorseboy> bah ok almost ready to host
11:04:21  <dihedral> (at least on network servers) and that are NOT the people in this channel :-P
11:04:31  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..yeah I know but there's zero IS servers up now so I may as well as start one to appease ;)
11:04:59  <dihedral> may i be blatently honest?
11:05:21  <dihedral> i dont think anybody gives a <piep>
11:05:39  <dragonhorseboy> sure but every morning when I checked there were always 8+ players on one to three different servers .. now there's no servers
11:05:40  <dihedral> except for planetmaker, he likes giving a <piep> :-P
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11:14:34  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: is there really need for such a grf?
11:14:56  <Ammler> maybe we could review it with a bit more knowledge now :-)
11:14:58  <dragonhorseboy> ammler..if you have planes enabled for one..yeah
11:15:22  <dragonhorseboy> elsewise any kind of planes seem to often get the company more than M in only several years..which isn't quite right at all
11:15:27  <dragonhorseboy> :p
11:17:29  <planetmaker> pah @ dih & hi @ dih and all
11:17:36  <dragonhorseboy> heh hey
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11:27:18  <dragonhorseboy> well if anyone's interested even just to spectate .. server's already up now ;)
11:38:01  <Ammler> @seen Yexo
11:38:01  <DorpsGek> Ammler: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Yexo> hello
11:40:04  <dragonhorseboy> ammler one good thing at least is that there's reducedpassengerpayment (although I wish i could figure out the elusive parameter) so at least can't make as too much profits anyway :P
11:40:15  <dragonhorseboy> heh
11:42:50  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: grf2html
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12:12:41  * dragonhorseboy wishes I could know what MB was actually up to with dbsetxl 0.9
12:13:15  <dragonhorseboy> dbsetxl_ecs is kinda not as much fun as it should be .. many of the wagons just don't look right (fiber is not black like coal!)
12:13:18  <dragonhorseboy> :p
12:13:29  <Eddi|zuHause> well, fix it ;)
12:14:21  <dragonhorseboy> its MB's grf and I already can see on the forum that he already doesn't like others releasing any sprites from it without modification
12:14:37  <dragonhorseboy> so..well yeah..not much can do
12:14:55  <Eddi|zuHause> he usualy allows using them, as long as you ask before...
12:15:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and you can hack the grf for yourself, you don't need to release anything
12:15:41  <dragonhorseboy> that doesn't make it much fun for multiplayer tho .. but then whatever ^_^ heh
12:16:23  <dragonhorseboy> anyway I meant to ask this for a while, what is 'zuhause'?
12:16:33  <KingJ> At Home?
12:16:55  <dragonhorseboy> oh ic
12:17:02  <KingJ> (Possibly!)
12:17:16  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
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12:28:29  <dragonhorseboy> blah... TBRS doesn't have proper bridges to go together with early era TTRS :P
12:28:47  <dragonhorseboy> and I thought the 2cc metros running over maglev tracks on bridge was worse enough
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12:30:00  <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i stopped using road sets
12:30:17  <Eddi|zuHause> you're running into all kinds of incompatibilities
12:30:46  <planetmaker> I want rail and road types! :)
12:30:48  <dragonhorseboy> well the one I do like is the czroadset .. it provides its own tunnel and bridge altogether which other road-using grfs probably should had
12:31:00  <dragonhorseboy> I only use it in ttdxp alone tho
12:32:31  <dragonhorseboy> hehehe....looks like one of my berlin tram started making black smoke right in middle of the town :p
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12:34:52  <dragonhorseboy> eddi..and which of..why can't ottd actually let you build rails across tunnel portals anyway? :P
12:35:46  <Eddi|zuHause> because it is not implemented?
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12:43:13  <dragonhorseboy> doing anything now? :)
12:43:47  <Eddi|zuHause> well
12:43:56  <Eddi|zuHause> you going to pay me for it?
12:44:04  <dragonhorseboy> pay what?
12:44:15  <Eddi|zuHause> man-hours?
12:44:26  <dragonhorseboy> lol..who said I was asking you to do some work for me? :P
12:46:08  <Eddi|zuHause> you implied it...
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12:53:29  <dragonhorseboy> well either way me just waiting for more $ to come in in the game .. other that that guess I'm going clean up some magazines
12:57:05  <Belugas> hello
12:57:14  <dragonhorseboy> hey belugas
13:00:21  <welshdragon> hmm
13:00:30  <welshdragon> i can't login to translator3
13:00:34  <dragonhorseboy> hey welshdragon
13:00:59  <Eddi|zuHause> too many dragons around here...
13:01:12  <dragonhorseboy> too many? I only see two alone :p
13:01:19  <dragonhorseboy> there's more likely too many humans ;)
13:01:54  * welshdragon slays his dragon
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13:07:27  <welsh> can i reset my translator3 password?
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13:08:04  <TrueBrain> Tefad / KenjiE20: cdparanoia seems to do a much better job ripping then cdex ever did :)
13:08:27  <petern> cdex has paranoia options... which i've never needed to use
13:08:48  <petern> "grip" otoh it's a fucking shit ripper
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13:09:25  <TrueBrain> maybe I should rephrase: cdparanoia does exactly what I expect a ripper to do, and where I can see errors and glitches, where cdex doesn't let me know
13:09:31  <TrueBrain> (besides, it works native on linux too :p)
13:10:26  <welsh> :/
13:11:45  * dragonhorseboy never could settle on a single burner software for windows yet (always seem to be at least one thing missing in each of them) >_<
13:12:25  <dragonhorseboy> at least the old copy of Toast works nicely for the mac (except its out of use, the yamaha drive isn't working anymore so back to only the internal cdrom drive)
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13:21:31  <dragonhorseboy> well I'm going off irc, bye now (and for anyone who just came in: feel free to check my germany-based server any time)
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13:26:45  <KenjiE20> cool, nice find TB, these things are always down to personal pref
13:27:05  <KenjiE20> I would tell dhb about a burner but he left
13:27:22  <TrueBrain> now Ineed to find a store which still can deliver very old albums :p
13:29:47  <jaachanor> where is it determined how long the take-off sequence for planes is?
13:31:45  <petern> it's just a combination of the aircraft's acceleration and maximum speed properties
13:33:33  <jaachanor> okay
13:33:57  <jaachanor> where does that calculation take place?
13:34:55  <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to start at the airport FSM handler
13:35:26  <Hirundo> no such calculation takes place, the plane just accelerates until it reaches a certain position in the FSM
13:35:31  <Eddi|zuHause> there'd be a "start takeoff here" state
13:35:42  <jaachanor> ok
13:35:57  <jaachanor> i want to ensure the plane reaches it's cruising altitude
13:37:09  <Eddi|zuHause> the crusing altitude is defined at a different place
13:37:33  <jaachanor> yes, but there's no change after take off
13:38:03  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, why would there be?
13:38:38  <jaachanor> there shouldn't if the take off process checked to make sure proper altitude was reached
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13:40:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you think the problem is...
13:41:20  <Chruker> Dont the planes just always fly above 'anything'?
13:41:28  <jaachanor> planes fly at whatever altitude they have when they've reached cruising speed
13:41:46  <jaachanor> or take off is over - whatever triggers that
13:42:36  <TrueBrain> a roommate came in: I have a CD that can't be ripped
13:42:43  <jaachanor> shouldn't they climb until GetAircraftFlyingAltitude(v) is reached?
13:42:43  <TrueBrain> 10 minutes later he walked out with 22 mp3s
13:42:58  <Chruker> hehe
13:43:01  <TrueBrain> it was a nasty CD ... when reading the data segment, it went to sectors not on the disk
13:43:07  <TrueBrain> and the last song did the same
13:43:09  <TrueBrain> nasty
13:43:34  <Eddi|zuHause> check aircraft_cmd.cpp, there is a specific function that determines the crusing altitude
13:44:12  <Eddi|zuHause> and then check where that is used
13:44:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and then determine wether there is a bug
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13:50:55  <TrueBrain> @mode +b
13:50:58  *** mode/#openttd [+b *!] by DorpsGek
13:51:05  <TrueBrain> I think I will keep that ban around for a bit longer this time ...
13:51:26  <dihedral> ^^
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15:47:17  <welsh> can i reset my translator3 password?
15:47:55  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: welsh would like to be answered ;)
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15:48:38  <welsh> ;)
15:49:11  <Sacro> 'ning welshdragon
15:49:26  * welsh isn't a dragon
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16:01:47  <Joepie|ttd> hello
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16:04:12  <Joepie> where can i find ai's for openttd?
16:07:21  <Belugas> in the content download, i'd say
16:08:41  <Joepie> think i finally found it on the webby
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16:10:56  <Belugas> goody
16:11:01  <Markk> yes
16:12:19  <Joepie> should i unpack it in data folder?
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16:16:04  <Joepie> maby there is some place i can read about how to install ai's? couldnt find it on wiki
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16:20:05  <TrueBrain> welsh: nope, that is not possible :)
16:20:18  <TrueBrain> (I really should add a mailing module :p)
16:20:25  <welsh> so i'm screwed :(
16:20:33  <TrueBrain> you like it?
16:21:27  <welsh> it's slightly annoying that i can't log in
16:21:37  <welsh> i'll try logging in off my pc later
16:24:04  <Belugas> Joepie :  who knows... maybe you'll find something usefull there... Have yu find the Content Download I told you about?  That is on OpenTTD, of course
16:24:19  <Joepie> hehe yeah found it ingame
16:25:01  <TrueBrain> welsh: going to the movies now; maybe later tonight I will make a nice 'reset password' thingy :p
16:25:03  <TrueBrain> who knows ... :)
16:25:10  <welsh> :P
16:25:22  <Joepie> the dutch button to the content managers is kinda a weird translation that why i couldnt find it
16:25:27  <TrueBrain> 800 users are registered .. I wonder how many of those have valid email addresses ....
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16:32:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16781 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3026] (r16297): don't cast negative values to uints when the settings' range is "negative..positive".
16:34:08  <Eddi|zuHause> so when do we start storing (name,value) pairs so not every patch out there needs to bump the savegame version?
16:36:15  <Rubidium> as if every patch needs to bump the savegame version
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17:23:16  <Eddi|zuHause> well, everyone that adds a setting
17:26:09  * Belugas sets a adding on Eddi|zuHause
17:27:03  <Eddi|zuHause> what you mean is an edding
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17:46:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16782 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:46:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 33 changes by arnaullv
17:46:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell
17:46:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by belugas
17:46:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: galician - 18 changes by Condex
17:46:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 8 changes by Roujin
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17:52:02  <Alberth> how does one get to see the 0.7.1 screen shot at the main page? Clicking on it jumps to screen shots for 0.6 and older.
17:53:44  <Rubidium> Alberth: because it's a big lie :(
17:53:52  <Rubidium> flame TB :)
17:54:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i only ever have seen the same ugly screenshot from ages ago in that small preview...
17:54:43  * Alberth fires up a big flame thrower, waiting for TB to show up....
17:55:28  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you're free to write a fix for it
17:57:23  <Eddi|zuHause> and the previews of some pictures is not scaled properly
17:59:00  <Rubidium> so, you want to fix that too?
17:59:58  <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and i also want to sign up for someone's job
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18:02:13  <[NL[Roel]> hi all
18:02:22  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
18:02:42  <[NL[Roel]> please join my server
18:02:54  <[NL[Roel]> its called [NL] The Netherlands
18:03:00  <KingJ> No.
18:03:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so.
18:03:58  * Nite_Owl slices through the hostility with a warm butter knife
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18:07:29  <Sacro> hello [NL[Roel]
18:07:34  <Sacro> please stop spamming our channel
18:07:37  <Sacro> it's called #openttd
18:08:25  <Alberth> hello Nite_Owl
18:09:01  <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth
18:16:13  <Eddi|zuHause> what disturbs me more is not that he spams the channel, but that the brackets in his nick are not properly closed
18:17:15  <Nite_Owl> ]]
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18:21:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16783 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_buoylist.hpp.sq -Change: make it more clear that the squirrel_export script needs gawk.
18:22:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16784 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
18:22:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Audio playback rate was fixed at 11025Hz regardless of the rate specified
18:22:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to the audio driver, resulting in incorrect playback speed. It is still
18:22:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: preferable to use 11025Hz output rate if possible as OpenTTD's sample rate
18:22:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: converter is very low quality.
18:30:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16785 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make ships going to buoys use OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT too
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18:42:50  <Eddi|zuHause> <- is it me or did the russian guy get too much alcohol?
18:45:23  <Eddi|zuHause> "A french, an italian and a russian go into a bar..."
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19:24:07  <NeO_Anderson> hello, I've noticed that I can't use Trams on my dedicated server (linux), even tho its like year 2012 or so, i was told it should be available from the start or at least 2000
19:24:23  <NeO_Anderson> is there something I have to enable or install to get the trams to be useable?
19:24:29  <NeO_Anderson> it's currently greyed out
19:24:50  <Rubidium> trams require a newgrf that adds trams
19:25:00  <NeO_Anderson> I see
19:25:19  <NeO_Anderson> hwo can I install them onto a linux openttd server?
19:25:40  <NeO_Anderson> since it doesnt have the game interface (as far as I know) how else could I install them?
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19:26:27  <NeO_Anderson> and also, if I install this new GRF, would everyone connecting to the server have to have it installed too? or just server?
19:26:37  <DaleStan> Yes.
19:26:49  <NeO_Anderson> yes?
19:27:10  <DaleStan> The former.
19:27:48  <Ammler> NeO_Anderson: use bananas trams :-)
19:27:49  <NeO_Anderson> ...
19:28:20  <NeO_Anderson> so how cna I install grf onto linux server? :S
19:28:30  <NeO_Anderson> can
19:29:10  <Yexo> download the newgrf and put it in the data folder
19:29:23  <Yexo> you can also access bananas via the in-game console
19:29:49  <NeO_Anderson> I don't need to edit anything?
19:30:05  <NeO_Anderson> just put in the datafolder and restart server and it works?
19:30:13  <Yexo> you don't even need to restart the server
19:30:13  <NeO_Anderson> do clients have to have the GRF installed too?
19:30:16  <NeO_Anderson> oh ok
19:30:32  <Yexo> executing rescan_grfs is enough (or something like that, not sure of the exact name)
19:30:39  <NeO_Anderson> I see
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19:30:40  <NeO_Anderson> ty
19:30:42  <Yexo> an dyes, clients need to have the same newgrfs
19:30:48  <NeO_Anderson> ahh
19:30:49  <NeO_Anderson> okies
19:39:54  <dihedral> and if you get your grf from the online content server, then the clients can too
19:41:16  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16786 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3027] (r16752): only one tile was selected when the build airport window was opened instead of an area with the size of the airport
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20:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16787 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix [FS#3027]: the noise level text in the airport build window was drawn over the lowest button
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20:57:04  <Belugas> led zep... hmmmmm so goooooddd.....
20:57:24  <Belugas> another thing that is good... is... fairwell goodbies!!!
20:57:27  <Belugas> bye bye then
20:57:41  <petern> i only have one :(
20:58:09  <Belugas> hoo... shall we fix that?
20:58:15  <Belugas> i guess we should
20:58:45  <petern> could do :)
20:58:55  <Nite_Owl> later Belugas
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20:59:29  <dragonhorseboy> just wondering but I take it ottd could be changed to use a different port for multiplayer hosting?
21:00:57  <Belugas> pantoute, estie!
21:01:09  * Belugas is gone
21:01:17  <Yexo> dragonhorseboy: yes, it's somewhere in the config file
21:01:22  <Rubidium> ofcourse you can change OpenTTD to use a different port, after all its open source
21:01:39  <dragonhorseboy> ty I'll look at that later
21:01:58  <dragonhorseboy> wanted to check about a different port for routers-sake when that time comes ^-^
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21:09:24  <dragonhorseboy> ah ok found it
21:13:02  <dragonhorseboy> hmm ok whats next to plan now...
21:15:50  <dragonhorseboy> any of you got any spare usb printer bridge adapter? hehe :-)
21:17:26  * Rubidium got an utp printer bridge adapter (if you can call it that)
21:24:12  <dragonhorseboy> only if some decent printers could actually come with ethernet rather than only usb alone (the only old example I know of is hp deskjet 1600 which actually had one jetdirect slot in back) .. but blah :-p
21:24:29  <dragonhorseboy> and by that I mean just a printer .. none of these aio things
21:30:36  <dihedral> r16787 <- thanks yexo :-)
21:32:34  <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: decent printers come with that for ages...
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21:32:56  <planetmaker> like directly connected to the ethernet with their own IP
21:33:15  <dihedral> planetmaker, i think he's considering decent printers < 200 Eur
21:33:18  <dihedral> :-P
21:33:33  <planetmaker> :P add on "0" and it comes possibly close :)
21:33:50  <Ammler> which network protocol do you use for printers?
21:34:21  <planetmaker> tcp/ip
21:34:41  <dihedral> appletalk :-D
21:34:46  <planetmaker> :D
21:34:58  <planetmaker> I guess not quite here at 'versity.
21:35:09  <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker...I've never ever seen one..they're always either only usb or comes in the useless all-in-one packages
21:35:24  <planetmaker> But it's quite cool that I can print on the A0 plotter straight from my desktop over 1km distance.
21:35:43  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, you are not looking well enough
21:35:59  <planetmaker> actually... if I asked, I could right here from home via VPN :P
21:36:02  <dragonhorseboy> the whole production range on epson, canon, and hp sites
21:36:06  <dihedral> consider an a3 color laser
21:36:16  <Ammler> I changed from TCP/IP to IPP, wondering, if that works better
21:36:20  <dihedral> something that can also copy and perhaps staple :-P
21:36:46  <planetmaker> Ammler: hm... some might. Not sure anymore actually :)
21:37:00  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, they devide their product range into private, small business, medium and large business
21:37:14  <dragonhorseboy> I already have an oversized scanner that I prefer alone instead (try find any home all-in-one printer that can handle a 12x14" scan job heh)
21:37:25  <Rubidium> Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP
21:37:27  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..doesn't really matter..the stores lump them into same list anyway
21:37:42  <Ammler> I am a bit confused, TCP works well here, but an other pc has many problems, dunno, if that is the issue.
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21:37:58  <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: maybe the hardware vendors in your country don't like IP-enabled printers
21:38:12  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, and if you really want to spend money, have a look at the plotters ^^
21:38:33  <planetmaker> at work we have nothing else - except the portable ones for use on business trips.
21:38:37  <Ammler> I have a 1m  plotter here, if you need
21:38:41  <dihedral> and no, they dont just exist with a parallel port connection
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21:39:02  * Rubidium can print at his own or parents house from anywhere in the world ;)
21:39:03  <dihedral> planetmaker, same here
21:39:03  <Ammler> just the "gummiband" is broken
21:39:05  <planetmaker> nothing else = nothing else than TCP/IP capable printers
21:39:19  <Rubidium> just a cheap HP 4050CN ;)
21:39:24  <planetmaker> :)
21:39:24  <dragonhorseboy> do any plotters actually take individual papers (especially down to A4's)?
21:39:35  <dihedral> .....
21:39:41  <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: plotters usually not. They have a big role of paper...
21:39:46  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, stfg
21:39:50  <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker..wouldn't work here then
21:40:07  <dragonhorseboy> stfg?
21:40:07  <dihedral> they print, they have a network card
21:40:14  <dihedral> search the fucking google
21:40:14  <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: there's a difference between plotter and printer. And both can come with whatever network connection...
21:40:49  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, hp laserjet 4100 (not very new, but does a god job)
21:40:50  <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker...well yeah I'm often doing different papers most turns (just like with the scanner itself) .. but more or less its often thin A4 papers
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21:41:15  <planetmaker> that's a job for a printer. Not a plotter...
21:41:21  <Ammler> [23:37] <Rubidium> Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP <-- means?
21:41:34  <planetmaker> And yes, the good printers have auto-select from like 3 different paper types
21:41:48  <dihedral> Ammler, TCP/IP is required for either
21:41:52  <planetmaker> or at least you can select manually the slot from which to print from
21:41:53  <dihedral> it's how your network works
21:41:57  <Rubidium> Ammler: that IPP is a TCP protocol like HTTP, so not really different from TCP
21:42:14  <Ammler> so if TCP doesn't work, IPP wouldn't either?
21:42:34  <dihedral> Ammler, i did not expect you to actually need to ask somthing like that
21:42:36  <Ammler> well, I will see :-)
21:42:39  <dihedral> must say: cute!
21:42:49  * dihedral pats Ammler on he head
21:42:58  <Rubidium> well, unless it isn't really TCP, but some vague unnamed protocol implemented on top of TCP (like IPP)
21:43:34  <TrueBrain> 'if TCP doesn't work' <- LOL!
21:43:39  <planetmaker> completely unrelated, I must state, that a map with OpenGFX and no black boxes anywhere actually looks quite neat :)
21:43:39  <TrueBrain> sorry .. that is just funny to read :)
21:43:57  <dihedral> :-D
21:44:08  <dihedral> Ammler: tcp/ip <- where else have you seen ... IP
21:44:17  <dihedral> and if your computerhas no IP ......
21:44:30  <dihedral> not the best example, but in your case it will do
21:45:26  <dihedral> <- why on earth can people not just use their standard file system browser?
21:45:49  <Ammler> well network worked, the printer was accessable over web, just no job got there, as I changed it to lpp, it was fine. :-)
21:46:33  <TrueBrain> welcome in the world of badly named thingies :)
21:46:33  <Ammler> from my pc, I still use tcp/ip, so no real idea :-)
21:46:55  <TrueBrain> Ammler: you should stop saying that
21:47:02  <TrueBrain> it ... is silly to say :)
21:47:07  <dihedral> so the web was accessible but no print job got there: clearly tcp was not working :-D
21:47:09  <Ammler> saying what?
21:47:15  <TrueBrain> 'I still use tcp/ip'
21:47:24  <TrueBrain> dihedral: YOU BROKE THE INTERNET!
21:47:31  <dihedral> :-D
21:47:35  <dihedral> i googled google
21:47:38  <dragonhorseboy> hmm the laserjet 4100 looks nice. only I don't print much text-only papers tho so i guess I'll have to take a pass :S
21:47:49  <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: why?
21:47:51  <dragonhorseboy> 256mb of memory .. thats nice for these big pdf files tho
21:47:52  <Ammler> "Raw TCP/IP Printing "
21:47:59  <TrueBrain> Ammler: much better ;)
21:48:00  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, that was an example of a networkable printer
21:48:01  <dragonhorseboy> rubidium..colour? :)
21:48:02  <Ammler> :P
21:48:29  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..yeah...still it looks way better than these frequent cheap/free 4M (or was that 4L?) ones that always pass hands around here
21:48:41  <Rubidium> a colour laserjet 4500dn (duplexer + almost 1000 pages worth of trays) doesn't cost that much
21:48:54  <dragonhorseboy> these 4's seem to just refuse to die unless a major assembly blew I guess
21:49:08  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, and i thought you said you looked at all printers
21:49:23  <dragonhorseboy> rubidium of course the other problem is the paper holder is usually made only for A4's
21:49:31  <Rubidium> 50 euros + a few bottles of bad wine + 50 euros for a full set of toners which means you can print for ages
21:49:51  <dragonhorseboy> bad wine? rofl
21:50:10  <dihedral> just dont buy samsung colour laster, buying a full set of toner is more expensive than the entire printer :-P
21:50:51  <Ammler> dihedral: why should you use bananas, you can download the grf with your web browser?
21:51:44  <Ammler> imo, that is a suggestion with sense :-)
21:51:46  <dragonhorseboy> one thing I do know tho...
21:52:32  <Ammler> oh well, good night foks.
21:52:36  <TrueBrain> night Ammler
21:52:46  <TrueBrain> don't forget to close down your TCP/IP box
21:52:50  <dragonhorseboy> hp officejet headers (or in the case of the three I've used) don't seem to always like thick A4 papers of three different brands .. they start gumming up after a few typical pages
21:52:53  <Ammler> hehe
21:52:58  <TrueBrain> ;)
21:52:58  <Ammler> I won't
21:53:06  <dragonhorseboy> bye ammler :)
21:53:08  <Ammler> dunno, if it ever will start again
21:53:28  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, if you read the specs carefully, printers are not always designed to take any pinter you feed to them
21:53:58  <dihedral> Ammler: next time please also enable netbui :-D
21:54:06  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...and the usual A4 papers are too thin to be effective when taped to glass walls in sun-facing storefront windows
21:54:12  <Nite_Owl> later Ammler
21:54:18  <dragonhorseboy> so go figure with these hp printers :)
21:54:19  <TrueBrain> dihedral: netbEui
21:54:41  <planetmaker> night Ammler
21:54:47  <SpComb> there's a 10cm high stack of waste paper next to the printer here with random HTTP requests printed on them
21:54:51  <Ammler> LPR/LPD is the 3th there
21:54:53  <Ammler> rd
21:54:55  <dragonhorseboy> at least A2 photo papers seem to be about all the same thing just differing only by price and re-brands
21:55:03  <dragonhorseboy> spcomb rofl
21:55:05  <SpComb> seems someone did some random HTTP port scans and hit the printer
21:55:09  <SpComb> and it emptied out the paper tray
21:55:19  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, depending on where paper enters and exits the printer you can normally feed them 130g/m^2
21:55:19  <TrueBrain> SpComb: sucks to use IPP :)
21:55:29  <Ammler> m?h :P
21:55:44  <SpComb> nobody could figure out a stable samba/cups server to put it behind
21:56:03  <dihedral> Ammler: 3rd NOT 3th
21:56:10  <TrueBrain> dihedral: he already corrected himself
21:56:12  <TrueBrain> no need to do it again
21:56:19  <dihedral> who knows ^^
21:56:20  <Ammler> thanks and real night now
21:56:27  <TrueBrain> sleep well Ammler
21:56:30  <TrueBrain> don't let the bed bugs bite you
21:57:10  <dihedral> if they do, squeeze them tight and they wont be back tomorrow night
21:58:49  <Nite_Owl> yuck
21:59:08  <dihedral> *pop*
21:59:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16788 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix: with modified_catchment off the build road station window would not display all possible cargos in the Accepts/Supplies lists
22:00:16  * dragonhorseboy still wishes I could have the $ to afford one of the dell 24" lcd monitor :P
22:00:45  * TrueBrain enjoys his 2x 22"
22:00:48  <dragonhorseboy> but till then I guess I'll still keep my 17" crt I got aside to picking an used 17" lcd to put on the other pc due soon .. works anyway
22:01:10  * Rubidium enjoys his 15" ;)
22:01:15  <Yexo> why buy a 24" when you can buy 3 22" for the same price?
22:01:38  <TrueBrain> 3x 22" WD .. that would be total overkill
22:01:43  <dragonhorseboy> yexo..because the dell one comes with both displayport and video-in (no tv part so I don't think its really a lcdtv as per or is it?)
22:01:53  <dragonhorseboy> heh
22:03:02  <dihedral> and a tv must have a good res!
22:03:10  <Nite_Owl> would you not need a video tuner card to get any real use out of it
22:03:13  <TrueBrain> 32" 720p TV .. hmm ...
22:03:16  <TrueBrain> I am spoiled :(
22:03:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16789 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: unify the drawing of the Accepts/Supplies cargo lists in the station build windows.
22:03:36  <dragonhorseboy> nite_owl..not true.. can plug the game console and dvr/cablebox into this dell 24" lcd anyway
22:04:01  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain heh
22:04:08  <dihedral> and a game console has no tv tuner card...?
22:04:14  <dihedral> my word - i am bitching again
22:04:18  <dihedral> night
22:04:19  <Nite_Owl> yes but then you cannot use your PC as a DVR
22:04:25  <TrueBrain> night dihedral
22:04:33  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain I've been considering skipping on a tv for the living room and just use a projector alone instead
22:04:40  <Nite_Owl> later dihedral
22:04:45  <TrueBrain> projectors .. bah
22:04:48  <planetmaker> g'night folks
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22:05:02  <dragonhorseboy> seem a lot cheaper considering I don't quite even buy new titles much at all so HD is a tad pointless to dump $ on
22:05:10  <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker
22:05:11  <dragonhorseboy> :)
22:05:11  <TrueBrain> I have a 13m^2 room, and I  have a 32" TV and 2x 22" WD computer screens ... haha
22:06:18  <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: 720p is worth it ... so much!
22:06:50  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain...for what actual reason with most of the movies being only ntsc formatted anyway?
22:06:51  <dragonhorseboy> ;)
22:07:13  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ...
22:07:18  <TrueBrain> when downloading a new xbox game I guess
22:07:58  <TrueBrain> 720p mkv via PC via HDMI to TV .. I don't see the problem with regions :p
22:08:12  <dragonhorseboy> where did I said regions?
22:08:17  <TrueBrain> NTSC
22:08:21  <TrueBrain> is a region
22:08:28  * Rubidium feels so poor with well... 10m^2, no TV and 1 15" computer screen
22:08:31  <TrueBrain> NTSC-J and PAL being the other 2 (which matters)
22:08:54  <dragonhorseboy> no...
22:09:03  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..look up the res for ntsc
22:09:18  <TrueBrain> then you should be more specific :) Little people rever to resolution when using NTSC
22:09:29  <TrueBrain> that said ... most of the movies of the last 3 years are available in high-res :p
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22:10:17  <dragonhorseboy> well ntsc is actually a res name as much as people might not like that
22:10:19  <Rubidium> high-res? I still need to upscale them :(
22:10:29  <TrueBrain> TSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map).
22:10:33  <TrueBrain> NTSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map).
22:10:41  <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: where in that is there any reference to resolution? :)
22:11:36  <TrueBrain> and it has mostly to do with colour .. but okay :)
22:12:09  <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ... <- the only people who are at a disadvantage are the honest buyers
22:12:12  <dragonhorseboy> where it says 480x320
22:12:36  <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: no, it doesn't. But I know a solution to this discusion: show where it defines resolution?
22:12:56  <dragonhorseboy> and pal is 576x320 (and you wonder why converting a movie isn't always so simple to convert from pal to ntsc unless you wan tto live with a vertical squish effect)
22:13:16  <Eddi|zuHause> where did you get those values from?
22:13:27  <dragonhorseboy> eddi..any standards for ntsc/pal will tell you
22:13:32  <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: show us
22:13:33  <TrueBrain> please do
22:13:35  <TrueBrain> enlight us
22:13:59  <TrueBrain> as I wonder why xbox games can be NTSC, and how that relates to any resolution
22:14:07  <Rubidium> NTSC (according to the specs) has 525 scanlines of which 486 are visible, so 486 should be the resolution in Y direction
22:14:32  <Eddi|zuHause> and pal has 576 active lines
22:15:06  <Eddi|zuHause> most digital channels send in 720x576
22:15:18  <Eddi|zuHause> some in 480x576
22:15:26  <TrueBrain> I love that NTSC is 29.97 fps :p
22:15:33  <TrueBrain> who thought that was a good idea? :)
22:15:56  <dragonhorseboy> well I suspect it had to do with analog components early on many years ago
22:15:58  <dragonhorseboy> :)
22:16:09  <TrueBrain> you are still evading our request to support your claims
22:16:15  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i always thought that was related to the power system being 60Hz
22:16:19  <TrueBrain> that NTCS is a reference to a resolution, rather then a region with standards
22:16:27  <Eddi|zuHause> as opposed to the 50Hz in europe
22:16:35  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..blame it on their sites being crappy slow like its about 1-2kb/s upload from them
22:16:36  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: possible; still is annoying :)
22:16:43  <dragonhorseboy> I'm still rather waiting for the page to even show
22:17:07  <Rubidium> the refresh frequency was shifted slightly downward to 59.94 Hz to eliminate stationary dot patterns in the color carrier
22:17:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still amazed by the "solution" of converting 24Hz movies to 25Hz PAL by playing them 4% faster
22:17:58  <KenjiE20> oh btw dragonhorseboy
22:18:07  <Eddi|zuHause> (which results in music being roughly one half tone higher)
22:18:15  <KenjiE20> you were questing after a burner earlier?
22:19:08  <dragonhorseboy> kenjie20...yeah?
22:19:16  * petern sniggers at dragonhorseboy's limited understanding
22:19:19  * dragonhorseboy whacks site to hurry up already
22:19:39  <KenjiE20> you tried "infrarecorder" 3Mb big and does pretty much everything you could reasonably need
22:19:44  <petern> Eddi|zuHause, "amazed"... it's fairly obvious, and 4% isn't really noticable unless you do a side-by-side compare
22:19:52  <KenjiE20> * add a ? in there somewhere
22:20:10  * Rubidium ponders daily removing 4% of Kenji's bank account
22:20:17  <KenjiE20> nooes
22:20:30  <TrueBrain> hmm ... slowing down real life by 4% .. 4% more work done ...
22:20:33  <TrueBrain> would be useful
22:20:34  <petern> you'd notice it if it changed 4% every time :p
22:20:41  <Rubidium> after all, it isn't really noticable
22:20:42  <Eddi|zuHause> petern: i also never noticed, until i had an american tv recording and a european (british, i think) tv recording side by side
22:21:11  <petern> you never noticed that ntsc is shit?
22:21:12  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: ah well, days are progressively taking longer yet noone is complaining about that
22:21:33  <Eddi|zuHause> petern: well, i did, that's why i got the british recording ;)
22:21:48  <TrueBrain> ntsc is shit
22:21:49  <dragonhorseboy> kenjie20 hmm no..that looks nice. I'll have to try it ;)
22:21:52  <petern> no doubt dragonhorseboy won't like that claim either :)
22:22:00  <Rubidium> the shittyness of NTSC might've been a good thing for the introduction of HDTV
22:22:04  <petern> (except it's fact)
22:22:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't have a lot of contact with NTSC before
22:22:23  <Rubidium> as here in the Netherlands there's like 0 local HD channels
22:22:28  <TrueBrain> 90% of the downloads I did last month was HDTV (720p) :$
22:22:31  <KenjiE20> it's my replacement for Nero now, does all the same gumpf I need from it, at a fraction of the cost
22:22:34  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no longer true! :)
22:22:36  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, might explain why HDTV has not picked up yet in europe
22:22:53  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: name me one that isn't local
22:22:54  <TrueBrain> well, depends on what you define as 'local'
22:22:58  <Rubidium> Tour de France isn't local
22:23:04  <TrueBrain> Ned1 is going HD
22:23:05  <Rubidium> Disco/NGC isn't local
22:23:07  <TrueBrain> if it wasn't already
22:23:13  <TrueBrain> RTL4 is going HD
22:23:17  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: "is going" != "is"
22:23:23  <TrueBrain> yeah, I believe next monday
22:23:25  <TrueBrain> so close enough
22:23:33  <dragonhorseboy> heh..i actually wishes SECAM had been more popular and especially to take over north america but ... >_<
22:23:38  <dragonhorseboy> wished*
22:23:39  <TrueBrain> or last monday .. but I lost track of time .. HOLIDAY!!!
22:23:55  <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: SECAM is almost as shit as NTSC
22:24:15  <petern> analogue delay line!
22:24:38  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: either way, Ned1 was HD up to 24 aug 2008 for certain operators
22:24:41  <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: the soviet union purchased SECAM from france, and forced every sattelite state to use SECAM. the TV producers in east germany protested, because PAL was a lot better
22:24:43  <dragonhorseboy> eddi..but at least it was cleaner on cabling and not to mention that secam actually had a bus for device control too
22:24:56  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but ONLY for 'foreign' content, all local content was upscaled
22:24:58  <Eddi|zuHause> but they still were forced to implement SECAM
22:25:06  <dragonhorseboy> eddi.. secam actually has a pal version as well for the footnote
22:25:10  <Rubidium> which is kinda defeating the point of HD, and thus not HD
22:25:15  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: true true; still, you asked for 'channel', not 'content' ;) (to stay as picky as you can be :p)
22:25:41  <Eddi|zuHause> then they tried to put SECAM-only TVs on the marked (to have the people only be able to watch western tv in black&white)
22:25:45  <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody bought them
22:26:00  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: since 4 july
22:26:02  <dragonhorseboy> bah..I guess the offical site's server is a garbage of poop...hmm...brb
22:26:03  <Eddi|zuHause> all people bought dual PAL/SECAM models
22:26:09  <TrueBrain> ned1 is HD
22:26:14  <petern> the official server, huh?
22:26:18  <TrueBrain> all Ster stuff is
22:26:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and funnily, the east german broadcasting stations used PAL internally, because it is much better for processing (cutting, etc.)
22:26:58  <Eddi|zuHause> which made it very easy to switch to PAL after the reunification
22:30:51  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16790 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_vehicle.cpp ai_vehicle.hpp ai_vehicle.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: AIVehicle::GetReliability to get the current reliability of vehicles
22:31:21  <dragonhorseboy> well here's a site and it shows that ntsc is 480 horizontal lines in a frame and at 4:3 ratio (so we can assume 320 for vertical from there anyway)
22:31:40  <TrueBrain> one site .. yeah .. that proofs a lot :)
22:31:41  <TrueBrain> tnx!
22:32:03  <dragonhorseboy> mention of captioning reminds me of seeing these screenshots of the teletext system oversea and always wondering why that never worked well over here :/
22:32:24  <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..just look up any other ntsc (I dunno why the offical one is down) pages and they'll repeat the same thing
22:32:41  <TrueBrain> yeah, that it is an instititute which made a standard, very good :)
22:33:12  <TrueBrain> I wish you all a very good night
22:33:32  <Nite_Owl> later TrueBrain
22:33:37  <dragonhorseboy> bye truebrain :)
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22:35:12  <Nite_Owl> time to feed - later all
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22:36:25  <dragonhorseboy> anyway i guess one reason I'm not that interested in a large tv is because both the speaker and tv tuner aspects would be useless (former one right away and latter one in a few months) so may as well as save some good $ and just go for the projector instead
22:36:32  <dragonhorseboy> to our own ways of course :-)
22:37:29  <petern> TO EACH OUR OWN
22:37:56  <petern> dragonhorseboy, lolol
22:38:04  <petern> dragonhorseboy, it's 4:3 ...
22:38:04  <dragonhorseboy> hm?
22:38:07  <petern> not 3:4
22:38:10  <petern> however
22:38:11  <petern> it's also
22:38:13  <petern> ANALOGUE
22:38:20  <petern> 480 horizontal lines
22:38:47  <dragonhorseboy> I said 4:3 as well..whats your point?
22:39:30  <petern> 480 horizontal lines at 4:3 aspect would be, oddly enough, 640 'pixels' horizontally
22:39:37  <petern> oh look, VGA
22:39:52  <petern> however, it's analogue, there is not horizontal resolution, other than bandwidth
22:41:05  <Eddi|zuHause> for digital sources, the pixels are usually not quadratic
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22:42:13  <Eddi|zuHause> like they send in 720x576, but 4:3 would be 768x578, or 16:9 would be 1024x576
22:42:43  <Eddi|zuHause> the display has to stretch the picture then to the desired aspect ratio
22:42:45  <petern> yarr
22:42:58  <petern> well
22:43:17  <petern> only stretched if you're outputting to a digital frame buffer :)
22:46:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16791 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: unify (and document) the Remove[StationType] functions.
22:46:57  <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: just for reference: 480 horizontal lines means 480 vertical resolution
22:47:45  <Eddi|zuHause> the number of lines is usually the second figure in a resolution
22:47:53  <Eddi|zuHause> so NTSC resolution is XXX:480
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22:50:12  <Coco-Banana-Man> hi there
22:51:07  <Yexo> hello fruit-man
22:51:24  <Eddi|zuHause> what does a coco-banana look like? does it have a banana shaped hard hull?
22:52:51  <Sacro> hull?
22:53:04  <Eddi|zuHause> no, then i'd have said 'ull
22:54:58  <dragonhorseboy> ok..oven's broiling my supper now :P
22:55:26  <Eddi|zuHause> is "broiling" an actual word?
22:56:04  <Eddi|zuHause> in (eastern) germany, "broiler" means a grilled half chicken
22:56:27  <Sacro> yeah, it's a word
22:56:41  <Rubidium> <- proof enough?
22:56:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and in western germany, the word was practically unknown
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22:57:21  <Eddi|zuHause> which is weird, because if it is an english-derived word, why would the usually english learning western population not know it
22:57:30  <Eddi|zuHause> while the usually russian learning eastern population does
22:57:47  <Rubidium> it's from french/latin
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22:59:08  <dragonhorseboy> half that like with only one leg? :P
22:59:23  <Sacro> not if it's the bottom half
22:59:34  <Eddi|zuHause> means it is one chicken that is cut in half length-wise
22:59:50  <dragonhorseboy> heh ok..never heard of or seen that here
22:59:58  <Eddi|zuHause> but being french-derived could be an explanation
23:00:13  <dragonhorseboy> although I do recall I first learned of Crepes on the first holiday to paris a good several years ago
23:00:16  <Eddi|zuHause> lots of french derived words came to germany through the hugenottes
23:00:44  <Eddi|zuHause> which were protestantic christians driven out of france, and they found refuge in prussia
23:01:01  <dragonhorseboy> basically just a thin pancake (can be normal recipe with more milk added as I have done) then when its ready .. pour the filling on and roll it up then eat :)
23:01:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i do know what Crepes is
23:01:37  <Eddi|zuHause> my mother is a french teacher, after all ;)
23:01:40  <dragonhorseboy> I always liked chocolate ones :)
23:02:00  <dragonhorseboy> I still have to ponder the meaning of 'beaver tails' tho (yes thats a food)
23:02:22  <Eddi|zuHause> i only know the "beaver tails" that you put on the roof...
23:02:29  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: she teaches French or she teaches in France or she teaches and is born in France?
23:02:41  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the first one
23:03:10  <dragonhorseboy> eddi here's a photo for you:
23:03:13  <Eddi|zuHause> she was born in east germany...
23:03:21  <Eddi|zuHause> which is common amongst east germans :p
23:03:26  <dragonhorseboy> and yes the farthest one does seem to have a sauce covering it
23:04:08  <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: i still have no idea what this is...
23:05:24  <dragonhorseboy> eddi one thing in history I do know about tho is how during WWII one hopsital room in Ottawa (forgot exact name now) was decleared Dutch soil so the exiled queen could have her baby dutch-born
23:05:52  <dragonhorseboy> anyway broiling should be done...bbl
23:06:10  <Eddi|zuHause> they kind of left out that part in our history lessons..
23:06:25  <Eddi|zuHause> there are kinda more important matters to teach about that time...
23:07:18  <Eddi|zuHause> and whenever my grandfather starts talking about the time, he almost breaks out in tears...
23:07:38  <Eddi|zuHause> he was wounded in stalingrad...
23:08:18  <Eddi|zuHause> a few days later, and he wouldn't have been able to get out
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23:39:46  <dragonhorseboy> back
23:42:27  <Eddi|zuHause> oh no!
23:42:59  * dragonhorseboy throws some rca cables at eddi
23:43:00  <dragonhorseboy> :P
23:46:48  <dragonhorseboy> anyway at least the audio side here is pretty easy.. just four room speakers, one audio receiver, computer + game consoles + video decks audio outputs to the receiver. nothing more ;)
23:47:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what your problem is... i have a PC with a sat receiver card...
23:48:48  <dragonhorseboy> I prefer seperated especially considering the cold bootup time most pcs take neverminding electricity. but then :p
23:49:03  <Eddi|zuHause> who said anything about booting?
23:51:44  <Eddi|zuHause> and a game console is useless
23:52:03  <dragonhorseboy> not really ;)
23:52:09  <Eddi|zuHause> by the time i would get to buy the next game, it would be two generations outdated
23:53:01  <dragonhorseboy> wipeout, vanishing point, burnout takedown, spyro, pokemon (especially DS0, and do I have to go on with what i got here? ;)
23:53:11  <dragonhorseboy> DS0=DS)*
23:53:58  <Eddi|zuHause> so you're one of those killergame players the politicians always talk about
23:54:05  <dragonhorseboy> the what?
23:54:23  <Eddi|zuHause> because guns don't kill people, computer games do
23:54:46  <dragonhorseboy> lol...well had you actually read the uk news about banning some games due to guns&blood? ;)
23:54:52  <KenjiE20> guns don't kill people wrappers do
23:55:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have to read uk news for that
23:55:33  <Eddi|zuHause> german news are bad enough
23:55:37  * KenjiE20 goes to find that track for daftness sake
23:56:09  <Eddi|zuHause> they even forbade playing warcraft 3 on a (adult only) lan party
23:56:26  <Eddi|zuHause> because of the children
23:56:33  <dragonhorseboy> I've seen the retail boxes but never bothered playing these kind of games
23:57:35  <dragonhorseboy> only online games I got would be PSO V1 and (admittly not ever ran it much anymore these months) Descent2. everything else are just single/two player games
23:58:05  <dragonhorseboy> I guess some of these DS games might be but I've never bothered checking
23:58:16  <Eddi|zuHause> well, 50 years ago it was rock and roll music, 30 years ago it was rock music, 15 years ago it was rap music, and now it is computer games
23:58:42  <Eddi|zuHause> and each generation of youths is always worse than the last one
23:59:00  <Eddi|zuHause> and could please anyone think of the children
23:59:09  <KenjiE20> hehe
23:59:51  <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: warcraft 3 is not (necessarily) an online game
23:59:59  <Eddi|zuHause> do not confuse with world of warcraft

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