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00:03:12 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:03:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.19.149] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 00:13:49 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:15:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:34:45 * AC6000 eats a few sunflower seeds 00:57:47 <AC6000> A hunter was rushed into the emergency room with a bear trap clamped onto his testicles. As the horrified doctor was examining him, he said "Man, how did this happen?" The hunter explains that he was out in the woods and felt the call of nature. Bending down by a tree, the bear trap was triggered and snapped shut on his testicles. "Oh," exclaims the doctor, "The pain must have been excruciating!" "It was," said the hunter. "The second worst pain in my li 01:02:32 <glx> I want the end of the story 01:06:44 <AC6000> whered it end? 01:08:35 <AC6000> Oh," exclaims the doctor, "The pain must have been excruciating!" "It was," said the hunter. "The second worst pain in my life." "Second worst? What could have been worse than that?" "Coming to the end of the chain" said the hunter. :P 01:10:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:19:35 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@72.186.103.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:31:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:05 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:33:10 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:40:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:20 <welshdragon> well, that was a good translating session :) 01:41:38 <welshdragon> 16 strings pending for Welsh 02:17:07 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holders lack of ration] 02:20:33 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:31 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B317E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:12:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:13:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:39:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:54:29 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:54:56 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 03:56:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6850:4459:b87e:c78a] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:11:55 <Tefad> is there a hard production max for secondary industries? 04:13:46 <Tefad> also is production directly proportional to accepted cargo? 04:15:55 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 04:28:45 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:03:30 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.69] has joined #openttd 05:20:27 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:25:01 <planetmaker> Tefad: there's a limit and by default it's proportional 05:42:27 <Tefad> k. i have refinery pumping out 12k goods/month 05:56:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.88] has joined #openttd 06:01:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.196.88] has joined #openttd 06:06:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:07:09 <planetmaker> you can have more 06:07:18 <planetmaker> I think up to twice as much or so. roughly 06:07:24 <planetmaker> but not entirely sure. 06:08:01 <planetmaker> but iirc I've seen 17k/month for refinery and 24k/month for factory 06:12:46 <planetmaker> but if you play with non-default industries, probably values of up to 64k are possible and any connection between input and output is possible 06:23:56 <Tefad> cool. 06:27:06 <planetmaker> we have some games in the PublicServer archive of #openttdcoop where we tried to maximize factory / refinery output 06:27:20 <planetmaker> maybe you're interested to have a look at them :-) 06:27:51 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive 06:28:12 <planetmaker> The numbers you find there are those I (may or may not) remember 06:40:25 *** Nekomaster [~Nekomaste@bas6-toronto12-1167884010.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 06:40:29 <Nekomaster> Hello 06:40:47 <Nekomaster> :| 06:41:32 <Nekomaster> Anyone around to help me with something? 06:44:43 *** Nekomaster [~Nekomaste@bas6-toronto12-1167884010.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 06:53:26 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@177.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 06:55:40 <HerzogDeXtEr1> can somebody tell me, why it isn't possible to reach openttd.org with the browser opera but with firefox it is possible. note: it's the same computer, no proxy configurations activated... 07:23:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:25:37 <Terkhen> good morning 07:26:19 <Alberth> that's what we hope to achieve, yes 07:35:20 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:39:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:45:39 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 07:47:35 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:48:28 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 07:50:00 *** green-devil [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 07:51:33 <planetmaker> lol.... fail@Nikomaster 07:52:03 <planetmaker> moin also from here :-) 07:57:02 <Alberth> good morning :) 08:01:37 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:40 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.227.219] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 08:10:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17314 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17313): Allow the picker window to change size. 08:15:32 <Ammler> something I have learned on irc, moin != morning :-) 08:15:47 <Ammler> and good morning from here 08:16:41 <planetmaker> hehe :-) moin Ammler 08:31:38 <_ln> hejd? 08:31:43 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.251.208] has joined #openttd 08:33:27 <planetmaker> hm... google doesn't know my processor family. Or something is wrong in how I try to obtain it... 08:38:53 <Alberth> google also doesn't know what moin means ;) 08:42:46 <planetmaker> it does ;-) 08:43:20 <planetmaker> http://www.google.de/search?q=moin+ethymology 08:44:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:55 <planetmaker> first entry is actually what I consider a short, but more or less accurate description of its meaning and origin 08:48:40 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.251.208] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 08:48:57 <Alberth> tnx 08:50:09 <Alberth> The guy doesn't know Dutch: ..." 'n mooien dag wensch ik u " (Nederlands). <--- we write 'wens', not 'wensch' :) 08:52:40 <planetmaker> :-) 08:54:18 <_ln> is 'plein' pronounced plein or plain? 09:02:19 <planetmaker> depends upon how the latter two are pronounced in your understanding ;-) 09:02:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:08 *** green-devil [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 09:06:45 <planetmaker> hm... I'm pretty sure that a core2duo shouldn't say it's a i486 - even if it could emulate it. 09:06:52 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has joined #openttd 09:21:23 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.148] has joined #openttd 09:22:09 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.148] has quit [] 09:22:14 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.148] has joined #openttd 09:22:42 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EE22A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:15 <Alberth> hmm, how to loose all my money as fast as possible? 09:26:53 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EA984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:55 <_ln> planetmaker: let's take the phonemes /a/ and /e/ which should be unambiguous. 09:27:16 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:27 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:30 <planetmaker> Alberth: just make a wire transfer of all your money to my account 09:28:08 <planetmaker> ingame OpenTTD: cheat menu and then terraform ocean 09:28:14 <planetmaker> with what remains 09:28:33 <planetmaker> or build insane tunnels once accross the map 09:30:29 <_ln> in other words, is "..ei.." pronounced similary in dutch as in german, or not? 09:31:41 <Alberth> raising half the world to the highest possible level does the trick :) 09:31:57 <Alberth> also stopped all my vehicles. 09:32:10 <Alberth> that should get me into trouble with the bank :) 09:34:03 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EE22A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:10 <_ln> curious that no one here seems to know about the basics of dutch pronunciation. 09:36:28 <Alberth> maybe you should try #dutch :) 09:37:47 <Alberth> I know dutch, but never learned about pronunciation and never bothered to, since I know how to say the words. Such information is often in a dictionary. Tried that? 09:38:32 <_ln> negative. 09:38:59 <_ln> besides, i think this channel has higher .nl percentage than any potential #dutch. 09:45:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm217.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:50:58 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:39 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:28 <TrueBrain> lovely, a spam-network is active which only uses from-domains which have +all in their SPF record 09:55:27 <Xaroth> o_O 10:00:17 <TrueBrain> problem about SPF libs, is that they say SPF passed with +all .. I think it is more a 'none' statement 10:07:51 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 10:15:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:16:01 *** jolterN [~mordi@062249161172.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 10:16:42 <TrueBrain> okay .. time to install 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 OSX .. lets see if I can get either to work :) 10:17:20 <jolterN> Hi, i have newly installed open TTD.. and when im starting a new game, i cant build train rails/station nor a station for my vehicles.. currently using windows 7 RTM x64.. any on now what the problem could be ? 10:17:36 <Alberth> what year do you start? 10:17:49 <jolterN> default 10:17:51 <jolterN> 1900 i tihkn 10:17:53 <jolterN> think* 10:17:55 <Rubidium> 1900 isn't default 10:18:09 <Alberth> try 1950 or later 10:18:15 <Rubidium> 1950 is the default 10:18:21 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:18:53 <Alberth> or wait 50 years :) 10:19:16 <jolterN> that kinda fixed it ;o 10:19:24 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:38 <jolterN> thank you, i allmost threw my comp out the window :P 10:19:55 <Alberth> without vehicles there is little to build :) 10:20:23 <Alberth> for such a minor problem already? You must buy new computer regularly then. 10:21:10 <jolterN> haha nope, but when i installed the game the first time.. and i started a new game, the date was 1st january 1900 10:21:28 <jolterN> so i just couldnt figure out why i couldnt build anything but roads :D 10:21:29 <TrueBrain> cosmic rays are a bitch 10:26:48 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:12 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-61-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:35:43 *** tb [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> hmm, how to loose all my money as fast as possible? <- you can use the money cheat in two directions ;) 10:36:51 <Alberth> oh? nice. 10:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> in other words, is "..ei.." pronounced similary in dutch as in german, or not? <- in german, 'ei' and 'ai' are pronounced the same way 10:37:06 <tb> 30 minutes to install OSX 10.5.6 ... pff .... :p Hihi :) Lalalalalalaa la, lalalalalala la! 10:37:10 *** jolterN [~mordi@062249161172.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 10:37:29 *** tb is now known as Weirdo 10:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (there are also 'ey' and 'ay', but those practically only occur in names) 10:39:42 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 10:39:44 <MyCatVerbs> Alberth: that or just ERASE the ENTIRE OCEAN. :) 10:40:02 <KingJ> * Attempt to erase the entire ocean 10:40:47 <Alberth> it was a arctic climate, very little water :) 10:42:04 <MyCatVerbs> Alberth: Create an entire ocean! Then erase. :) 10:42:36 <Alberth> I am already broke, and got good looking news item windows about it 10:42:51 <MyCatVerbs> Cool beans. 10:42:57 <Weirdo> bah, beans 10:43:25 <Weirdo> 5 minutes in the 30 minutes install, and 10 minutes are left :p 10:43:57 <Alberth> Weirdo: so you will have to wait another 15 minutes before you can use it :p 10:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: btw. stopping all vehicles means you don't pay running costs 10:44:31 <Weirdo> and I have the wrong 10.4 stuff ... 10:44:42 <Rubidium> PPC? :) 10:44:51 * Rubidium wonders when Weirdo regresses even further :) 10:45:11 <Weirdo> haha, don';t even know about that, just that I have .zip with in it .iso, in 4 CDs .. instead of .dmg files :p 10:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: is that possible? :p 10:46:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes 10:48:17 <Weirdo> tnx you both 10:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you're welcome 10:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 10:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62 10:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody knows what that means? 10:49:39 <Rubidium> check errno.h 62 10:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> has a few more similar errors, and ends with 10:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 10:50:14 <Weirdo> karma is a bitch 10:50:27 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: 'perror 62' 10:50:43 <Weirdo> whoho, it is installing all kinds of languages I will never use ... :p 10:50:51 <Weirdo> Even Korean! 10:51:00 <TinoDidriksen> Weirdo, you can remove those later. 10:51:02 <Alberth> Weirdo: installing firefox? :) 10:51:16 <Weirdo> TinoDidriksen: a bit silly to first install stuff you can remove later ;) 10:51:45 <Alberth> Weirdo: the system needs a way to decide your HD is big enough :p 10:51:49 <TinoDidriksen> Weirdo, it's to Apple the easiest way...most want it to Just Work, not to have to choose things to install. 10:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "Input past end of File" error #62 <- that's what google says 10:53:30 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: 'perror 62' says 'OS error code 62: Timer expired' here 10:53:55 <welshdragon> argh, i've set vehicles never expire on, but some of my trains have disappeared already :( 10:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: "resetengines" 10:54:16 <welshdragon> in console? 10:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no, on the cake 10:54:35 <Weirdo> TinoDidriksen: so an 'advanced' button would have been perfect! ;) 10:54:42 <welshdragon> thanks eddi 10:55:10 <Weirdo> found a retail 10.4.8 Intel DVD .. yippie! 10:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... it works with a shorter usb cable... 10:58:56 <Fast2> Hello 11:00:48 <Alberth> hello 11:01:08 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: bits then do not need to travel so far :p 11:01:41 <Alberth> more likely, you get less interference from other electric devices nearby. 11:01:44 <Weirdo> means they are faster 11:01:46 <Weirdo> and do not time out 11:01:52 <Weirdo> like the pigeon protocol 11:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause> how much interference could there be from a speaker, a 16V transformator, a ventilator and an open computer case? 11:03:58 <Weirdo> depends on the speaker 11:04:08 <Weirdo> if it is an unshielded bass-box, it can be up to 1m :p 11:04:08 <KingJ> depends if you've got any shielding on the wires too 11:05:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you said yesterday(?) that routines in order to reliably get the CPU are available readily on macos. Anything specific which you had in mind? 11:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the secondary speaker, should not have any active components, and is not playing anything 11:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the transformator is running idle 11:06:54 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:12 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:13 <planetmaker> in principle I expected 11:08:15 <planetmaker> const NXArchInfo *this_arch = NXGetLocalArchInfo(); 11:08:16 <planetmaker> printf("Name: %s, Description: %s, Type: %d, Subtype: %d\n",this_arch->name,this_arch->description,this_arch->cputype,this_arch->cpusubtype); 11:08:18 <planetmaker> to work. But then I'd have an 80486 here... 11:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, could really be interference, i placed the cable differently, and now it works 11:09:55 <Weirdo> planetmaker: what is wrong with a 486? 11:10:02 <Weirdo> what CPU do you have? 11:10:38 <planetmaker> well... I'd say something like i686 :-) (core2duo) 11:11:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I did? 11:11:42 <Weirdo> planetmaker: either way, the comment was that the switch-case was poor, to say the least 11:11:46 <planetmaker> well... kinda :) 11:12:03 <Weirdo> it had no pre-checks in cputype and runs only a very small subset of cpusubtypes 11:12:13 <planetmaker> yes 11:12:27 <Weirdo> it 'estimates' if it is a G4 or G5 or what ever .. while that is useless information. Instead, it should just print the exact CPU used 11:12:33 <planetmaker> and the default routines which I could find... are not much better. 11:12:45 <Weirdo> (for all I care in numeric value) 11:13:04 <Weirdo> the other problem was OS version reporting, which reported the wrong version for you 11:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i guess it's more likely the cable is broken 11:13:16 <planetmaker> Weirdo: that, I have solved IMO 11:13:39 <Rubidium> the problem was more that if it doesn't know what it is it returns unknown instead of the numeric value that can be looked up later 11:13:40 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 11:13:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:03 <Weirdo> bah, 10.6 install failed 11:14:14 <planetmaker> Ok. Then I'll implement a more generic, non-custom version and return in case of doubt the CPU-ID, type and subtype 11:14:24 <planetmaker> that's easy 11:14:45 <Weirdo> planetmaker: the more specific that data is, the easier 11:14:51 <planetmaker> yup 11:15:01 <planetmaker> but if it can be human readable, the better :-) 11:15:07 <Weirdo> if the error is in one of the two CPU-types used for G4, the current information doesn't tell you which ;) 11:15:31 <Weirdo> for sure true :) I wonder if there isn't a simple lookup for that ... else it will be one long switch ;) 11:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, maybe i should have initiated a copy of 500GB size during the night... 11:17:44 <planetmaker> There is a simple lookup. 11:17:51 <Weirdo> good :) 11:17:57 <planetmaker> The one call I posted a few lines above 11:18:03 <Weirdo> planetmaker: but as said, there is a lot of cleanup to do in those files :) 11:18:10 <planetmaker> I know 11:18:11 <Weirdo> planetmaker: that gives numeric values, not? 11:18:23 <planetmaker> it does all. numeric and description 11:18:29 <Weirdo> ah, good :) 11:18:29 <planetmaker> it's a struct 11:18:51 <Weirdo> can you give me a small program which does that? 11:18:55 <Weirdo> then I can see what it returns here ;) 11:19:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:14 <MyCatVerbs> Why is it that you need to know the exact CPU, anyway? 11:19:50 <Weirdo> because mostly bugs are OS specific, but in a few rare cases they are CPU specific 11:21:22 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:10 <Weirdo> planetmaker: or tell me where the this_info came from 11:22:25 <Weirdo> this_arch 11:22:25 <Weirdo> lol 11:22:49 <planetmaker> what do you mean? 11:22:56 <Weirdo> I want to see what it returns here 11:23:00 <Weirdo> and that printf alone doens't work :p 11:23:01 <planetmaker> I'll give you a patch in a few minutes 11:23:05 <Weirdo> so what is this_arch :) 11:23:09 <Weirdo> no, I don't want to compile OpenTTD :p 11:23:15 <planetmaker> ok, wait. 11:24:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:27:17 <Fast2> Hmmm, why is it not possible to select which cargo a train should (un-)load? Is there no need (of others)? 11:28:02 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1548151 <-- even that programme is too long, Weirdo 11:28:09 <Weirdo> hmm, ->name tend to return ppc over ppc970 .. so planetmaker , for sure the numeric values need to be there too :) 11:28:12 <planetmaker> and it can do with less defines and includes 11:29:13 <Weirdo> BomFileError 13: Permission denied - /Volumes/OSX 10.6//System/Library/Extensions/hp_Photosmart_io_enabler.kext <- wtf? 11:29:27 <planetmaker> :-P 11:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Fast2: most people run single-cargo-trains 11:30:08 <Alberth> Fast2: no, usually the number of cargos available for loading is limited enough 11:31:17 <Weirdo> why would it say that ... space in the path? 11:35:02 <planetmaker> spaces need escaping 11:35:40 <Weirdo> Name: i486, Description: Intel 80486, Type: 7, Subtype: 4 11:35:46 <Weirdo> planetmaker: it is the INSTALLER fucking this up ;) 11:35:57 <Weirdo> planetmaker: the GetProcessor thingy doens't work .. the linker can't find it :( 11:35:58 <planetmaker> maybe :-) 11:36:00 <planetmaker> dunno 11:36:11 <planetmaker> uhm. remove that. 11:36:23 <planetmaker> it's a self-written routine which I wanted to have removed there 11:36:46 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:05 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:14 <planetmaker> And: I have the same CPU type by that definition 11:37:15 <Weirdo> http://pastebin.ca/1548154 <- my stripped down version of yours :p :p 11:37:28 <Weirdo> planetmaker: I have a core2duo 11:37:35 <planetmaker> well. no wonder then :-) 11:37:48 <Weirdo> just wanted to know if it also worked as expected on a normal PC :p 11:37:54 <planetmaker> and, as said, I have there more cpu tests in my file. 11:37:59 <planetmaker> but they all don't know my cpu 11:38:26 <Weirdo> remember we only need to know the type, mostly: ppc, i?68 and x86_64 11:38:49 <planetmaker> you'll get the cpufamily ID 11:38:57 <planetmaker> processor type and subtype 11:39:07 <Weirdo> even a 64bit version works :) 11:39:09 <planetmaker> and an honest effort to get a name for that :-P 11:39:24 <planetmaker> The api sais that it works with x64 11:40:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17315 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move code related to industry types to separate file 11:41:14 <Weirdo> planetmaker: it does ;) But it also amazes me that on this 32bit kernel I can execute 64bit code :p 11:41:39 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:44 <planetmaker> :-P 11:42:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 11:42:29 <Weirdo> but okay, I found the first bug in the 10.6 installer :p 11:42:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:03 <Weirdo> is it 10.6.0 or 10.6.1, the Retail version? 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12:03:44 <Weirdo> you can't return a char[100], no 12:03:51 <planetmaker> char* 12:03:53 <planetmaker> ? 12:04:02 <Weirdo> yes, but then you have my second option 12:04:11 <Weirdo> (you can't return a local char[100], as it is local!) 12:04:35 <planetmaker> well, it works, but - it generates a warning for a reason. 12:04:42 <planetmaker> ok, then via parameter 12:04:46 <Weirdo> { char buf[100]; return buf; } <- not good 12:04:58 <Weirdo> { char buf[100]; return strdup(buf); } <- good, but requires 'free' 12:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't there stuff like smart pointer nowadays? 12:05:44 <Weirdo> the first case works in 90% of the cases, but that is using free'd memory :) 12:06:06 <Weirdo> Eddi|zuHause: possible, and maybe OpenTTD even contains such code here and there .. but it is slow and ugly, if you ask me :) 12:07:19 <Weirdo> maybe Rubidium or SmatZ have a good suggestion 12:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> man... copying many small files is extremely slow... 12:07:39 <Weirdo> Eddi|zuHause: use reiserfs :p 12:08:07 <Rubidium> use dd 12:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it's from ntfs to encrypted ext3 12:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's way slower than copying big files of the same size... 12:09:16 <Weirdo> strangly enough OSX 10.6 now failed on another file then a moment ago .. .weird .. 12:10:07 <Weirdo> BomFileError 13: Permission denied - /Volumes/OSX-10.6//System/Library/Extensions/hp_Inkjet8_io_enabler.kext <- the time bfore it was the Photosmart ... 12:10:59 <Weirdo> wait, I manually created that dir :p 12:11:00 <Weirdo> hehe 12:14:05 <Fast2> Eddi|zuHause , Alberth: Then I must be the fault. I want to use trains to complicated :D ... :( 12:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Fast2: well, you must somewhere make a compromise between complexity, handleability and learning curve 12:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that, and the time it takes to implement 12:16:15 <Alberth> Fast2: using 1 train for 1 type of cargo makes the number of trains grow faster, ie the complexity shifts to handling a large number of trains 12:16:33 *** Marvin_Martian [~Marvin_Ma@c131-109.icpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:16:41 <Weirdo> hmm .. OSX releases are named weird ... planetmaker, did you ever noticed that? opentd-0 ..? 12:16:56 <planetmaker> hm...? 12:17:10 <Weirdo> or is it my download .. hmm.. 12:17:10 <planetmaker> what's the coding style convention for constucts like "void GetProcessorType(char (*ret_strg)[150]) " 12:17:18 <Fast2> Hmpf. Do you know a SVN-client which is fast to download, fast to install (and fast to remove)? 12:17:33 <planetmaker> svnclient maybe? 12:17:36 <Weirdo> planetmaker: wtf are you trying? 12:17:42 <Weirdo> oh, that 12:17:43 <Weirdo> lol 12:17:48 <planetmaker> Weirdo: ... :-) 12:17:48 <Weirdo> sorry, I was thinking a function-pointer for a moment :p 12:17:52 <Weirdo> and char **ret_strg 12:18:00 <Weirdo> well .. that is the C way :p 12:18:21 <Weirdo> your () are wrong either way :) It is a 150 char ret_strg, which you have a pointer to 12:18:24 <Weirdo> now a pointer to 150 entries :p 12:18:33 <planetmaker> :-P 12:18:50 *** Marvin_Martian [~Marvin_Ma@c131-109.icpnet.pl] has quit [] 12:19:01 <Alberth> Fast2: plain subversion 12:19:30 <Alberth> Anything else is built on that, so it only gets bigger and/or slower 12:20:18 <planetmaker> Weirdo: ... uhm, no? 12:20:28 <Weirdo> no to what? 12:20:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@212.183.136.194] has joined #openttd 12:21:06 <planetmaker> char CPU[150]; 12:21:08 <planetmaker> GetProcessorType(&CPU); 12:21:10 <planetmaker> void GetProcessorType(char (*ret_strg)[150]) 12:21:10 <Weirdo> Rubidium: what way do you prefer? char * via param, or return of strdup()? (or do you have a better suggestion) 12:21:20 <Weirdo> planetmaker: as I said: your () are wrong for sure 12:21:22 <Weirdo> or use char ** 12:21:32 <Weirdo> but you now have a pointer to a char, and 150 ones of them 12:21:36 <andythenorth> afternoon 12:21:38 <Weirdo> which is silly, to say the least 12:21:38 <planetmaker> changing the braces doesn't compile 12:21:46 <Weirdo> so use char ** :) 12:21:52 <Weirdo> randomly placing () doesn't solve any problem ;) 12:22:12 <planetmaker> :-P But they should help in case of points to hold together what belongs together 12:22:24 <Weirdo> yes .... and you put the wrong things together :p 12:22:30 <Weirdo> you want a pointer to a char[150] 12:22:36 <Weirdo> not 150 pointers to a *char 12:22:47 <Weirdo> pointers = entries 12:23:12 <planetmaker> nor does char **ret_strg in the proc header work 12:23:29 <Weirdo> then you have to tell me the error, as I can't read my magic ball :) 12:24:19 <planetmaker> fix_apple/src/os/macosx/macos.mm:184: error: cannot convert 'char (*)[150]' to 'char**' for argument '1' to 'void GetProcessorType(char**)' 12:24:49 <Weirdo> please show me your patch :) 12:25:20 * Fast2 is using google by himself as the keywords did't give something downloadable 12:25:58 <Yexo> Fast2: you didn't even mention which OS you use 12:26:23 <Fast2> XP SP2 12:26:30 <Fast2> *+Win 12:26:56 <Yexo> googling svn (or svnclient) yields subversion.tigris.org as first result 12:27:11 <Yexo> it hosts both TortoiseSVN (a graphical client) and command-line utitilies 12:27:17 <planetmaker> I guess the call by reference is just not on... 12:27:27 <Fast2> That's right, I've just tried that. 12:27:34 <planetmaker> Just pass the char array without "&" and be fine. 12:27:57 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://pastebin.com/m7056f6ae 12:28:24 <Weirdo> lol, Alberth , of course :) 12:28:37 <planetmaker> yes, thanks :-) 12:29:30 <Fast2> And there are download links. => I can download something. 12:29:32 <Yexo> Alberth: isn't the whole array copied with that code? 12:30:06 <Weirdo> I would write * over [150] in params, but I guess it shouldn't matter ... 12:30:08 <planetmaker> that should be fine 12:30:28 <Alberth> the printf() gives "abc", so I guess not. 12:30:41 <Yexo> ok, so it doesn't copy the array 12:30:53 <planetmaker> did I ever mention that I think that c's string treatment sucks? 12:31:06 <Alberth> Yexo: which is of course what you expect in C, arrays are just pointers 12:31:10 <Weirdo> planetmaker: they don't; you just hav eto get use to them 12:31:19 <Weirdo> scripting languages are DEAD slow when it comes to string handling 12:31:31 <Alberth> planetmaker: C has no strings, only char arrays 12:31:35 <Yexo> Alberth: yes, but I remembered a problem with such code and solving it by chaging the array parameter to a pointer 12:31:58 <planetmaker> int version_major, version_minor, version_bugfix = -1; <-- is that accoring to coding style? Or one each line? 12:32:09 <Weirdo> it doesn't do what you want 12:32:14 <Weirdo> so put one on each line ;) 12:32:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:40 * Yexo agrees with Weirdo 12:32:58 <Yexo> either put them all on their own line or leave the " = -1" out (if the rest of the code can handle that) 12:34:03 <Fast2> Yexo: I just wanted to get an advice, download any one isn't difficult. ;) 12:34:29 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b402:a777:bfea:6eff] has joined #openttd 12:34:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:34:32 <Yexo> Fast2: the advice that was given pointed to exactly those binaries 12:34:39 <Weirdo> planetmaker: FYI: your statement only sets version_bugfix to -1, and leave the rest unset ;) 12:34:42 <Alberth> Fast2: if you are a commandline fan, use plain subversion, otherwise the tortoise thingie 12:34:43 <Yexo> (although not direct) 12:34:55 <planetmaker> he, ok 12:34:57 <Weirdo> planetmaker: but mostly it is not needed to set such variables, if they are set later on in all cases :) 12:34:57 <planetmaker> ty :-) 12:35:15 <planetmaker> hm... so leave out initialization? 12:35:21 <Weirdo> if it is not required 12:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> man, this is taking forever... it's only at 12k of 64k files 12:35:27 <Weirdo> int a = 1; 12:35:28 <Weirdo> a = 2; 12:35:29 <Weirdo> silly ;) 12:35:43 <Weirdo> int a = 1; if (possible) return; a = 2; <- not silly 12:35:53 <Weirdo> euh, 'return a' ;) 12:36:09 <glx> hey you're hidden behind the weird nick :) 12:36:19 <Weirdo> :p 12:36:27 <Weirdo> install OSX versions :) 12:36:31 <planetmaker> :-D - it's very obvious IMO :-P 12:36:32 <Weirdo> (plural, yes) 12:37:21 <glx> I think not having AMD-V is the reason for failing to install leopard in my vmware 12:37:32 <Weirdo> possible 12:37:53 <glx> because the installer correctly starts when I boot my computer with the CD 12:38:34 <glx> s/CD/DVD/ 12:39:29 <Weirdo> ah, the installer executes the hp packages under the wrong user 12:39:44 <glx> btw having a running tiger is already a good thing :) 12:39:56 <Weirdo> glx: yes it is :) 12:40:26 <Weirdo> glx: either way, you might want to try a recent enough osx86 which has voodoo kernel 9.5.0 as installer 12:40:37 <Fast2> Is it possible for me to mess your data up or can I just try? 12:40:39 <glx> I should try to find the 10.4.11 combo update for amd 12:40:59 <glx> iATKOS v7 uses voodoo 9.5.0 IIRC 12:41:18 <Weirdo> glx: k .. stupid, in that case ;) 12:42:32 <Weirdo> I need to find a way to execute the installer as root, else I can't get 10.6 installed because of printer drivers which fail ...... lol :p 12:43:03 <Weirdo> glx: btw, I am now creating clean retail 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 OSes, on an external HD, with voodoo kernel on them ... maybe, just maybe, I can get those to run under Virtualbox .... 12:43:06 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:07 <Weirdo> we just keep on trying ;) 12:43:39 <glx> why install printer drivers ? 12:43:47 <Weirdo> because I have no option not to 12:43:52 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:57 <glx> no customize option? 12:44:06 <Weirdo> not on retail 12:44:12 <glx> that's silly 12:44:15 <Weirdo> for 10.5 it installs a wopping 11 GB of data 12:45:39 <Rubidium> yes, that's because you need, besides x86_64 stuff also i686 to run some applications and ppc libraries + rosetta to run bash 12:45:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17317 /trunk/readme.txt: -Document: how to manually install AIs 12:46:11 <planetmaker> half of the 11GB is printers... 12:46:25 <planetmaker> that's the reason a 10.6 install is 5...7GB leaner 12:46:37 <Alberth> Fast2: downloading the repo can only mess up data at your own directory. Just be sure to download /trunk instead of the root (/). 12:47:23 <Fast2> :) 12:47:48 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:31 <planetmaker> where best do go the lines a la #define STRLEN_OS 40 go? 12:48:44 <planetmaker> where needed or at the top? 12:49:03 <Weirdo> do you need them? :p 12:49:12 <Weirdo> (dunno what you plan to do) 12:49:17 <planetmaker> I can leave magic numbers scattered around... 12:49:18 <Weirdo> either way, in an enum, at top of the file, will be fine 12:50:01 <planetmaker> would you make string lengths an enum? 12:50:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@212.183.136.194] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> with enums, less things can go wrong than with defines 12:50:38 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:39 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:48 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's somewhere in the coding style that #define should be avoided 12:51:43 <Weirdo> planetmaker: what Eddi|zuHause says :) #defines are BAD! and EVIL! and WRONG! 12:51:47 <Weirdo> enums are GOOOOOOOOOD :) 12:51:58 <planetmaker> hehe :-) ok 12:52:26 <Weirdo> Xaroth: finally the transfer of the domain is approved ... there was a bit of a miscommunication between me and Ben :) But now we are in a 5 day grey period, after which the transfer will be completed :) 12:58:11 <Weirdo> bah bah bah, how do I get this installer to run 100% as root ... 13:02:12 <Rubidium> cat /etc/passwd | head -n 1 > tmp; mv tmp /etc/passwd; shutdown -r now 13:02:24 <Weirdo> hehehehehe :) 13:03:04 <Weirdo> can you make a process 'root' when running? 13:05:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:11:30 <Weirdo> another insane solution: mount the disk without owner permission :p 13:23:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.149.15] has joined #openttd 13:43:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:43:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 13:44:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:17 <Weirdo> 10.6 installed, but of course permissions are totally wrong .. ghehehe :p 13:44:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 13:44:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17318 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove state changes from the OnPaint of the industry directory 13:44:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.220] has joined #openttd 13:48:48 *** Weirdo [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 13:51:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.196.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17319 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: replace some magic numbers related to locations/sizes with the appropriate variables in the industry directory 13:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, he's at 33k of 64k files 13:57:50 <TrueBrain> okay, this is just weird ... now booting doesn't work, the bootloader hangs :( 13:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> he hangs because the permissions are wrong :p 13:58:33 <TrueBrain> a bootloader should never care ;) 14:00:09 <glx> is the disk bootable? 14:00:09 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:00:21 <TrueBrain> it worked yesterday with 1 parition 14:00:28 <TrueBrain> I now created 10 on the same drive, and installed 2 OSXes .. 14:00:37 <glx> hmm else you would get "b0 error" 14:02:29 <TrueBrain> I guess I will start all over again 14:03:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:03:58 <TrueBrain> it is not like I have anything better to do today :p 14:04:03 <TrueBrain> Xaroth will kill me for saying that :) 14:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what are .prg files... 14:04:18 <TrueBrain> http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/prg 14:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> probably stuff of my father... he was dealing with databases and stuff... 14:07:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17320 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move the code to determine the string and set dparams of industries in the industry directory out of OnPaint 14:09:02 <glx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qHVVbYG8Y <-- I like this cat 14:12:16 <Alberth> great video :) 14:14:10 * Xaroth thwacks TrueBrain 14:14:43 <Xaroth> it's experience you can use on the 'other' thing a well :) 14:15:03 <Xaroth> besides, I can go enjoy myself taking the files apart 14:15:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1A9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:18:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:40:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17321 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: minor coding style fixes for the town directory 14:40:45 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:41:51 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is it wise to have a 60GB disk with vfat? 14:43:16 <Combuster> if you want to use it on both linux and windows, yes 14:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i had (almost) no problems with my 1TB NTFS disk 14:53:25 <TrueBrain> bah bah bah, I can't get Chameleon to work 14:53:28 <TrueBrain> 0xDEADBEEF 14:53:30 <TrueBrain> it does now .. 14:53:37 <TrueBrain> it might be because I now have Windows 7 active again ... :s 14:56:18 *** Sesquideus [~sesquideu@nat-88-212-6-47.extel.sk] has joined #openttd 14:56:58 <Sacro> Combuster: erm, both ntfs and ext2 work fine on windows and linux 14:57:16 <Combuster> ext2 is a hack 14:57:24 <Combuster> ntfs was still read-only 14:57:33 <Sacro> hardly a hack, it works 14:57:41 <Sacro> and ntfs has had rw support for ages now 14:58:03 <TrueBrain> not always stable though .. ;) 14:58:24 <TrueBrain> and ext2 support in Windows XP / Vista / 7 is a hack Sacro, they even say so when installing the tool :) 14:59:03 <Sacro> mhmm 14:59:41 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: vfat does support big files, so use with care 14:59:50 <TrueBrain> (you can't download a DVD :p) 15:02:03 *** Sesquideus [~sesquideu@nat-88-212-6-47.extel.sk] has left #openttd [] 15:04:55 <glx> does or doesn't ? 15:07:56 <MyCatVerbs> Does not. 15:08:44 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:12 *** Entane [~asdf@195.204.143.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:20 <MyCatVerbs> AFAIK, the maximum fat32 partition size is 127GB, and the maximum fat32 file size is 2GB. 15:12:20 *** Sesquideus [~sesquideu@nat-88-212-6-47.extel.sk] has joined #openttd 15:17:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:19:11 <Chris_Booth> MyCatsVerbs FAT 32 can store partitions upto 2TB with 512 kb cluster size 15:19:23 <Chris_Booth> 512 byte i mean 15:19:43 <Chris_Booth> but that is very waste full 15:20:30 <Chris_Booth> also the maximum single file size is 4GB 15:20:38 *** Sesquideus [~sesquideu@nat-88-212-6-47.extel.sk] has left #openttd [] 15:20:49 <glx> still not enough for a DVD :) 15:22:34 <Chris_Booth> no you woild have to compress the DVD or split it up in to chapters or something 15:23:04 <TrueBrain> glx: doesn 15:23:07 <TrueBrain> glx: doesn't ;) 15:23:13 <TrueBrain> you can't store files > 2GB with FAT32 15:23:18 <TrueBrain> never ever :) 15:23:32 <Chris_Booth> you can store upto 4GC ture brain 15:23:43 <Chris_Booth> 4GB in 1 single file 15:23:52 <Combuster> Not when I last tried it 15:24:05 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.148] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 15:24:12 <Chris_Booth> try it then 15:24:18 <TrueBrain> huh? Did I say 2? Damn, I have to get some food :( 15:24:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: older webservers/browsers didn't allow > 2 GB 15:24:47 <Chris_Booth> we all forget things sometimes 15:24:48 <TrueBrain> I was thining 4GB-1 15:24:53 <TrueBrain> but somehow I typed 2 ... :'( 15:25:15 <Chris_Booth> i only know as i had to learn the Fat32 equation last year 15:25:22 <TrueBrain> either way, windows supports up to 2GB for various of reasons 15:25:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17322 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the industry directory window nested. 15:25:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17323 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: replace some magic numbers with constants in the town directory. 15:25:48 <Rubidium> prolly int(32) 15:25:50 <TrueBrain> there is a difference between theory and implementations of those ;) 15:25:58 <Chris_Booth> yeah there is 15:26:12 <Chris_Booth> wasnt it windows scan disk that limited it to 2gb? 15:26:22 <Chris_Booth> and i thought that was sloved in windows 2000 15:26:37 <Rubidium> nope, 127.something GB 15:26:55 <Rubidium> see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184006/en-us 15:27:38 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-14.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> <Chris_Booth> no you woild have to compress the DVD or split it up in to chapters or something <- it's fairly trivial to put stuff into "multi-volume" rar files 15:28:45 *** nfc_ [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:29:01 <Ammler> why don't you use ntfs? 15:29:27 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not my disk, and it came with stuff on it... 15:29:37 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-14.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:29:37 <Chris_Booth> NTFS is less portable 15:29:49 <TrueBrain> talking about those limits, I love that Windows only allows 3GB RAM on 32bit for regular OSes, but shows in Server editions they can .. exceed that limitation to over the 16GB :p 15:30:04 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:35 <Chris_Booth> windows vista allows more than 4GB of ram in 32bit doesnt it? 15:30:47 <TrueBrain> in 32bit? Not that I know of ... 15:30:54 <TrueBrain> I believe it is even capped at 3GB 15:31:12 <Chris_Booth> i think you can 15:31:13 <Ammler> less portable like? 15:31:21 <TrueBrain> but it might be XP shit 15:31:23 <Yexo> iirc only some versions of vista allow that, but it's still capped at 3gb per process\ 15:31:30 <Chris_Booth> NTFS can be read by osx or linux 15:31:48 <TrueBrain> Yexo: 3GB per process is not a real surpise, although you should be able to push that to 4GB 15:31:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it's just, oh you're a stupid windows user and got lots of memory: pay more for the 64 bits version 15:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> NTFS can only be written by osx or linux 15:32:00 <Ammler> today linux does also write that without any issue, afaik. 15:32:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, the stupid part was that Server2008 does use it in 32bit :p 15:32:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: PAE 15:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the version i have does have issues with writing big files 15:32:28 <KenjiE20> ^ I'm not entirely confident about NTFS3g writing, but i can do it 15:32:38 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.251.14] has joined #openttd 15:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> as in, after a while it takes forever to find empty blocks 15:32:59 <glx> <@Rubidium> TrueBrain: it's just, oh you're a stupid windows user and got lots of memory: pay more for the 64 bits version <-- available as OEM only (at least for XP) 15:32:59 <TrueBrain> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx 15:33:16 <Rubidium> glx: so you have to pay more 15:33:19 <TrueBrain> Vista is limited to 4GB 15:35:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm <- nice read :) 15:35:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: does PAE work inside a process? (never read up on PAE, so I don't know, but I assumed it was OS thingy) 15:35:32 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:35:40 <TrueBrain> as allocating 4+GB with 4kb page on a 32bit system seems rather impossible to me ;) 15:35:43 <TrueBrain> OVERLAYS! 15:36:38 <Chris_Booth> why would your realy need more than 4gb of ram on a home PC? 15:36:40 <Rubidium> AFAIK also windows server can't give 4+ GB to applications 15:36:49 <Yexo> PAE is for the OS, their is still a 4gb limit per process (often capped at 2/3 gb to leave some space for os structures) 15:36:50 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I doub tthat too :) 15:37:03 <TrueBrain> Yexo: 'some' space? 1GB? :p 15:37:09 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: moar is better, users are stupid and go for the higher numbers 15:37:28 <Rubidium> also most software that is written in recent years doesn't bother about memory wasted 15:37:30 <TrueBrain> Chris_Booth: who said home PC? Using XP/Vista/7 doesn't make it a home PC (although it should, of course) 15:37:40 <TrueBrain> but who uses Server 200[38] anyway .. 15:37:46 <Rubidium> me! 15:37:59 <Chris_Booth> I think you would have issues if you were using more than 4GB of ram and not making a film or grapichs work 15:38:04 <Rubidium> was just a bit scared how huge the 64 bits version is 15:38:17 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I just overwrote the first 1024 bytes of all (!) my parititons ... 15:38:30 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: btw, the patch we talked earlier, I uploaded it now to FS - if you still care :-) 15:38:51 <TrueBrain> Chris_Booth: well, I have a few apps which use 4+ GB of RAM .. but I execute them on slightly larger paras :) But .. they are not WIndows ;) 15:38:58 <TrueBrain> if you care to give me the url :p 15:39:00 <Chris_Booth> if you had 32GB you could load the OS in ram 15:39:18 <TrueBrain> as if I ever finish my battle with Chameleon, I plan to make OSX a bit more .. supported ;) 15:39:47 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 15:40:06 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 15:40:22 <TrueBrain> you can always load the OS in the RAM .... 15:40:24 <TrueBrain> but okay :) 15:40:31 <TrueBrain> ask planetmaker about the sizes our apps can use :p (hint: IDL :p) 15:40:39 <planetmaker> I think, though, it won't apply unless you use http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3156 also 15:40:46 <Chris_Booth> has any one here used the new snow leopard? 15:40:48 <planetmaker> haha :-) 15:41:14 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: virtual memory is plenty. But I wouldn't call a computer then usable anymore 15:41:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: we need to fix your coding style :p 15:41:48 <planetmaker> e.g. the patch from 3156 must preceed the one from 2782 15:42:05 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: that's what I'm (also) asking about. Though... I hoped to have gotten it right. :S 15:42:16 <TrueBrain> 2782 is not even close :) 15:42:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:31 <planetmaker> m?h :( 15:42:34 <TrueBrain> spaces, tabs, * placement, comments, \n ... 15:42:42 <TrueBrain> really .. I can't even detect a coding style .. sorry :) 15:44:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:44:57 <planetmaker> comments?! 15:45:21 <TrueBrain> http://wiki.openttd.org/Coding_style <- please read it .. 15:45:35 <TrueBrain> I know it is a tricky page to read 15:45:54 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:10 <Yexo> planetmaker: to get you started: start a lines with tabs, not with spaces 15:46:11 <TrueBrain> code-wise it contains the things that are needed 15:46:18 <Yexo> the { of a function should have it's own line 15:46:37 <TrueBrain> but the problems: Vehicle *v over Vehicle* v or Vehicle * v (substitute 'Vehicle' and 'v' with what ever :p) 15:46:46 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:47 <Yexo> if the statement after an if is not on the same line it should be enclosed by { } 15:46:48 <planetmaker> they... should be tabs. 15:46:55 <TrueBrain> next: /** <start of text> is wrong, besides /** is doxygen comment, which you should never use in mid-code 15:46:57 <Yexo> planetmaker: getSysCTLstring, they are not 15:47:18 <planetmaker> hm... yes. copy&paste left-over, I guess 15:47:23 <Yexo> + // Determine CPU Family, Type, and Subtype <- it's on a seperate line, so use /* */ 15:47:26 <TrueBrain> STRLEN_TOTAL = 340, // equal the total less the cpufamily <- then why not use those enums to get that vlaue 15:47:57 <Yexo> planetmaker: GetProcessorType looks like you miss some break; statements in that switch 15:48:14 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you'd need to remember then down somewhere which make up the whole 15:48:27 <TrueBrain> sorry? 15:49:15 <TrueBrain> if (err == 0) { vs if (!err) .. I think if (err == 0) and if (err != 0) is more clean, but I dont know the current policy on it 15:49:26 <Yexo> planetmaker: codestyle is wrong in the original file too 15:49:47 <TrueBrain> very wrong :) 15:50:32 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: if, in the place I use STRLEN_TOTAL I would write STRLEN_XY+STRLEN_AB+... - that wouldn't help, would it? 15:50:40 <TrueBrain> why not? 15:50:43 <TrueBrain> no, euh 15:50:49 <TrueBrain> STRLEN_TOTAL = STRLEN_XY + STRLEN_AB 15:50:58 <TrueBrain> that is more readable, instead of telling in a comment you did just that 15:51:14 <TrueBrain> say I ever change STRLEN_XY, I need to find all comment suggesting you used that value ;) 15:51:49 <TrueBrain> about 3156: 15:51:51 <TrueBrain> + if ((version_major) != -1 && (version_minor != -1) && (version_bugfix != -1)) { 15:51:55 <TrueBrain> weird usage of () :p 15:52:45 <TrueBrain> +/* 15:52:47 <TrueBrain> + * This should give the version correct irrespective of version details 15:52:53 <TrueBrain> missing doxygen indication "/**" 15:53:20 *** Kodak [~Kodak@h-121-231.A254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:53:57 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: code-wise in general: nice job. coding-style: don't believe the things you read in the .mm files, they are poison :) 15:54:24 <TrueBrain> it needs a bit of a touch, as I dunno if those templates are really needed for such little usage 15:55:17 <TrueBrain> SInt32 systemVersion, version_major, version_minor, version_bugfix = -1; <- this does not what you expect it to do :) 15:56:04 <TrueBrain> yeah, the template can be removed .. is only used with 'unsigned long' 15:56:14 <planetmaker> true. Thanks 15:57:06 <TrueBrain> _getSysCTLstring <- never used 15:58:14 <TrueBrain> okay, time to make some food, then yet another attempt to get this OSX on my external .. the good news: Windows 7 also doesn't want to boot with the HD attached :p 16:01:23 <Kodak> hey guys, "quick" question.. :P .. anyway, are there any good tips on how to effectively set up bus "routes" in a city to say.. shuttle ppl to an airport etc? i've used transfer, but no matter what setup i try.. be it all buses going to station 1->2->3 etc, or a few buses going 1->2 and a few buses going 2->3, the bus stations always end up having thousands of passengers, no matter how many buses i throw at the stations.. the buses just don't 16:01:38 <Kodak> feeder services 16:02:58 <Kodak> it usually ends up station 1 being bled out of passengers, station 2 having <1000 passengers and station 3 having 1000-2000 or sometimes even up to 3000 passengers, lol 16:03:21 <Kodak> any good "tutorial" on the forums or wiki that i've missed? :P 16:04:04 <planetmaker> food sounds good. 16:07:18 <MyCatVerbs> Kodak: for each feeder station, set up one bus going between that station and the airport. 16:07:37 <Rubidium> jeez... what a load of code just to detect *and* stringify a CPU to be just shown on crashes 16:07:38 <Kodak> hmm, is this the best solution? 16:07:59 <MyCatVerbs> Kodak: then clone more busses with shared orders for any feeder stations that tend to overfill. 16:08:17 <Rubidium> anyhow, how long ago was the last (has there ever been a first) time that that information was used in FS? 16:08:20 <MyCatVerbs> Kodak: if your bus stations are getting enough people to warrant at least one full bus apiece, sure. 16:08:56 <Kodak> MyCatVerbs: one full bus a piece? 16:12:13 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:02 <Rubidium> planetmaker/TrueBrain, for what it's worth: I have not found a SINGLE bug report with the information from the code you're messing with, so please don't introduce a shitload of code to detect something that won't be reported 16:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... election night... 16:17:23 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> this could call for funny results 16:17:43 <Dreamxtreme> Hi All 16:18:13 <Yexo> hello Dreamxtreme 16:18:49 <Dreamxtreme> what are these "Special" Builds of openttd im told about 16:19:08 <MyCatVerbs> Dreamxtreme: people add bacon to the C++ compiler. 16:19:11 <Yexo> where were you told about that? 16:19:17 <MyCatVerbs> Don't let anyone else in on the secret, though. 16:19:29 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: OpenTTD is opensource, so anyone can compile the game himself 16:19:43 <Yexo> that also means that everyone can add their own feature to it, resulting in a 'special' build 16:19:58 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 16:20:16 <Dreamxtreme> ok 16:20:37 <MyCatVerbs> It's under the GNU GPL, right? 16:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 16:21:28 <Yexo> version 2 to be exact 16:21:43 <Dreamxtreme> ah ok 16:21:44 <MyCatVerbs> Yep. The only condition on 'special' builds is that if you give anyone a compiled altered version, you're obligated to offer them the sources for that altered version, too. 16:21:54 <Dreamxtreme> well im working on England & Wales 0.5 16:22:01 <Dreamxtreme> Scenario 16:22:03 <MyCatVerbs> But you'd probably want to do that anyway, just out of politeness. ^^ 16:22:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: like them all voting for Ratzinger? 16:22:29 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: in that case it's best to use an 'official' build, so as many people as possible can use your scenario 16:22:58 <Dreamxtreme> yes of course :D 16:23:09 <Dreamxtreme> still running 0.7.2 here 16:23:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.220] has joined #openttd 16:23:40 <Dreamxtreme> its the most basic of basic maps anyhow 16:23:42 <glx> good, it's better to use latest stable to create scenarios (unless you really need more recent features) 16:23:45 <Dreamxtreme> if not a little big 16:24:03 <Dreamxtreme> its going on 4MB now 16:24:17 <Dreamxtreme> which is big for a Scenario 16:24:22 <Dreamxtreme> so i gather 16:24:25 <glx> what's the map size? 16:24:26 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DCF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:33 <Dreamxtreme> 2048x2048 16:24:41 <glx> no surprising then :) 16:24:49 <Yexo> depending on how important you think they are, removing all tress might save you some space 16:24:52 <Dreamxtreme> taken from a Hightmap 16:25:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: more like the SPD (usually 2nd largest party) dropping to 4th place in Sachsen 16:25:29 <TinoDidriksen> 2048*2048 = 4194304 bytes already...with several layers and gzipped, it can definitely remain over 4mb. 16:25:31 <Dreamxtreme> depends where they are . there are alot of forests here 16:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think sachsen has the only 6-party parliament in germany 16:27:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.98] has joined #openttd 16:33:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:50 <Dreamxtreme> grr why does it freeze up for like 3 mins when i click many random industries 16:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> because you are using ECS? 16:36:46 * Dreamxtreme predicts 0.7.3 to cure the problem 16:36:55 <Dreamxtreme> lol no 16:36:59 <Dreamxtreme> Acer ! 16:37:12 <Dreamxtreme> T5500 Dual Core at 1.9GHZ 16:37:14 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: ECS = a newgrf industry set 16:37:18 <Dreamxtreme> o 16:37:20 <Dreamxtreme> lol 16:37:57 <Yexo> are you using a newgrf industry set at all? 16:38:16 <Dreamxtreme> i go on the downloadable content and click all 16:38:27 <Dreamxtreme> so i suspect so 16:38:34 <Yexo> but did you activate any in the newgrf config? 16:38:41 <Dreamxtreme> no 16:39:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:44 <Dreamxtreme> is that why Yexo 16:47:46 <Dreamxtreme> ? 16:48:05 <Dreamxtreme> do i need them on if there downloaded ? 16:48:11 <Dreamxtreme> n00b alert 16:48:13 <Yexo> only if you want to use them 16:48:28 <Yexo> but please don't change the in a running game (scenario = running game) 16:48:40 <Yexo> and using them would make it slower, not faster 16:49:02 <Dreamxtreme> true 16:49:12 <Dreamxtreme> but i wonder why it freezes now 16:56:02 <Dreamxtreme> ah man 16:56:10 <Dreamxtreme> i forgot you had to turn them on 16:56:33 <Dreamxtreme> theres some really good stuff in here i could use on my running game 16:56:54 <Dreamxtreme> its still in beta 16:57:01 <Dreamxtreme> 0.4 so far 16:57:57 <Yexo> you can try, most of the time it works but it can cause crashes 16:58:13 <Dreamxtreme> ok 16:59:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.213.164] has joined #openttd 17:03:51 <Dreamxtreme> worked :D 17:08:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r17324 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Land info window uses nested widget tree 17:08:20 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:13 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: I have no idea what causes your problems, I can build many random industries in a matter of seconds on a 2048x2048 map 17:11:34 <Dreamxtreme> yes very odd 17:11:36 <Yexo> can you upload your scenario somewhere? 17:11:45 <Dreamxtreme> it already is 17:11:47 <Dreamxtreme> :D 17:11:52 <Dreamxtreme> 0.4 anyway 17:11:53 <Yexo> then give me a link :) 17:12:21 <Dreamxtreme> its in bananas or http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=116072 17:12:48 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F9A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:02 <Yexo> it does take very long indeed in that scenario 17:15:10 <Yexo> very long.... 17:16:01 <joachim> SmatZ: there? 17:16:49 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: if you enable "Allow multiple similar industries per town" then generating more industires is fast again 17:16:55 <PeterT> Dreamxtreme, what is your problem? 17:17:08 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0E533.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:22 <Dreamxtreme> ah ok 17:35:30 <Dreamxtreme> hmm Yexo 17:35:34 <Dreamxtreme> i cant find it 17:35:43 <Dreamxtreme> :'( 17:36:05 <Yexo> advanced settings->economy->industries 17:36:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:11 <Dreamxtreme> ah ok :P 17:38:05 <PeterT> Yexo, do you know it by heart? 17:38:13 <PeterT> all the advanced settings? 17:38:23 <Yexo> PeterT: no, I open the game and look where to find it 17:38:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17325 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp engine_gui.cpp engine_gui.h): -Codechange: Un-duplicate engine drawing routines. 17:39:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:39:26 <Alberth> PeterT: http://www.xkcd.com/627/ 17:39:58 <PeterT> Do I trust you? 17:40:28 <Yexo> Alberth: nice one :) 17:40:45 <Yexo> I haven't read the latest, so didnt notice it yet 17:42:52 <Alberth> I read them only some of the time, happen to come across this one and remember it :) 17:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17326 /trunk/src/lang/ (italian.txt welsh.txt): 17:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: welsh - 16 changes by welshdragon 17:48:40 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:50:17 *** PeterP [~PeterP@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:41 *** PeterP is now known as PeterT 17:51:54 <TrueBrain> even voodoo-kernel can't boot with VirtualBox :( 17:52:43 <TrueBrain> lol, I just realised the problem .. I patch op DSDT to work with OSX .. but tha tpatches version is against my real hardware 17:52:47 <TrueBrain> not against the virtualized 17:52:57 <TrueBrain> and the only way to create a correct DSDT is to have a running OSX :p 17:54:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17327 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine_gui.cpp engine_gui.h): -Codechange: Allow external use of GetEngineCategoryName(). 17:56:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: nobody will ever report a bug related to it, but this part of the system is used when there is a bug, and we need to know where/how ;) 17:56:24 <TrueBrain> besides, it reduces code, when you add everything together 17:56:38 <Sacro> TrueBrain: sounds like fun 17:56:46 <Sacro> DSDT stuff is always interesting 17:56:56 <TrueBrain> the way they 'fixed' it for OSX even more :) 17:57:51 <TrueBrain> they changed the bootloaders in such way it can load a non-default DSDT 18:02:15 <Dreamxtreme> ah that better 18:02:19 <Kodak> hey guys, i'm having a problem.. my friend is trying to join my server; i'm loading a game i saved last night, and he could join last night no problem, today he's getting stuck on authorizing :( 18:03:05 <Kodak> is this common? 18:03:24 <Alberth> no idea. 18:03:31 <Kodak> seems to be happening on new game too :8 18:03:32 <Ammler> server is running local? (Homenet) 18:03:33 <TrueBrain> common? No :) 18:03:37 <Kodak> oh well, i'll try fixing :P 18:03:50 <Alberth> he has a connection to the game 18:03:51 <Alberth> ? 18:04:15 <Alberth> there are server passwords and company passwords that may cause problems 18:04:29 <Kodak> let's hope it's because i haven't rebooted for 2 weeks 18:04:35 <Kodak> gonna try that first :P 18:04:54 <Kodak> yeah, think he got the passwords correct anyway :S 18:05:20 <TrueBrain> hmm, seems there is a DSDT patcher for windows .. so if I install a small Windows (or use the CF one), and run that .. I might be able to get myself a working DSDT 18:05:29 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:35 *** Kodak [~Kodak@h-121-231.A254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit:] 18:08:20 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:28 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:58 <TrueBrain> cool, my classes start tomorrow, but nowhere is said in which room .. 18:09:01 <TrueBrain> useful 18:09:25 <Alberth> you do know which building? 18:09:37 <TrueBrain> that even I can only guess 18:09:56 <TrueBrain> but that building has 3 wings and a total of 15 possible lecture rooms .. if it is where I expect it to be :p 18:10:32 <Alberth> that is not too bad 18:11:58 <TrueBrain> and then I study CS ... makes you wonder ;) 18:12:43 <TrueBrain> for all courses: room: TBA 18:14:22 <Alberth> the joys of modern life :p 18:18:15 *** PeterT [~PeterP@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19:01 <TrueBrain> finally found somewhere hidden what the rooms will be :) 18:19:34 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:04 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:33:16 <Rubidium> welshdragon: it looks like you're making a mess of the Welsh translation; you use "Ctrl+Clic" and "Ctrl + clic". Also the stuff added to STR_VEHICLE_DETAILS_??CREASE_SERVICING_INTERVAL_TOOLTIP is the same, while one of the words in the new part is only in one of the two originals (I deduced that Gostwng means decrease and thus isn't appropriate in a sentence that's about increase) 18:33:44 <Combuster> this is weird: http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/forbid_90.png 18:33:46 <welshdragon> Rexxars: 18:33:49 <welshdragon> oops 18:34:32 <welshdragon> Rubidium: i do apologise, i'll have a look at those strings again, and I may have pasted the wrong word 18:34:52 <Rubidium> also 8 days ago you changed "Isel iawn" to "STR_NUM_ISEL_IAWN", which is likely the translation of the stringid and you copied some English verbatim; "(multiple of 8, up to 2040)" doesn't look like the rest of the Welsh translation 18:35:39 <TrueBrain> never copy/paste in any translation ..... 18:35:44 <TrueBrain> sounds like babblefish to me :p 18:35:59 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: i was working with another native welsh speaker 18:36:31 <welshdragon> who doesn't wish to join the translation team, but offered to help me the once 18:37:06 <Rubidium> Combuster: it's a known 'issue' that won't be fixed. Running a train through itself causes the PF to not know which of the reservations to take so it guesses. Apparantly it's the 90 degree turn, which is valid because if it could reserve it, 90 degree turns must've been enabled when it reserved the path 18:37:08 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:37:42 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B26BA0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:53 <welshdragon> Rubidium: i understand about the verbatim, however 8 days ago my welsh was still 'stuck' and i was referring to a dictionary 18:38:11 <welshdragon> i'll be reviewing all the strings anyway 18:38:51 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:29 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:40:40 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [] 18:41:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17328 /trunk/src/ (engine_gui.cpp engine_gui.h): -Codechange: Get the vehicle technical data as string rather than having it printed. 18:41:20 *** tux_mark_5 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tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:02 <Kodak> it works now that we tried it over hamachi :S 21:02:09 <Kodak> it wouldn't download the map properly over the net 21:02:12 <Kodak> normal net 21:02:13 <Kodak> :P 21:02:39 <Xaroth> probably some poprt not being open.. 21:02:44 <Xaroth> or being filtered by isp 21:04:27 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 21:05:51 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@74.106.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:20:11 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:21:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:13 *** Combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17331 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Codechange: don't depend on static widget position/size for drawing of volumer sliders in music window 21:32:26 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:40:54 <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> end of discussion <- there is only one generally accepted way to end a discussion 21:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called godwins law 21:42:26 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 21:42:43 <Coco-Banana-Man> damned. 21:42:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-61-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:15 <Coco-Banana-Man> Even with the newest CargoDist build, my multiplayer game desyncs a lot D: 21:45:49 <Rubidium> you better make a post in the appropriate thread on the forum (that way I can find it back whenever I get into the discussion that cargodist's design makes desyncs easier to trigger) 21:46:08 <_ln> [00:40] <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> end of discussion <- there is only one generally accepted way to end a discussion <Eddi|zuHause> it's called godwins law <-- that's what they would have argued in the early 40's germany if newsgroups had been invented! 21:46:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:59 <welshdragon> is there a console command to stop overlength trains using shorter platforms? 21:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause> err... the nazis were in a constant rise since about 1925 21:47:38 <_ln> (did i claim otherwise?) 21:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (mandatory xkcd reference: http://xkcd.com/261/) 21:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: no, but there are pathfinder penalties 21:49:35 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: divulge please ;) 21:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> these won't forbid it, but severely discourage 21:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> they're called like pf.yapf.rail_shorter_platform_[per_tile]_penalty or so 21:50:38 <_ln> i wonder how many per cent of 18-year old americans have heard about hitler. 21:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> if you make it high enough, it will surpass the pbs-penalty, so they will rather wait for an existing long platform to free up than take the short platform 21:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: likely more than napoleon 21:52:08 <glx> there's a command to list settings, and even filter them 21:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: try to ask them about people like robespierre 21:56:03 <_ln> yeah, there aren't a hundred youtube videos of napoleon yelling with different subtitles. 21:56:49 <Yexo> that command is "list_settings" 21:56:56 <Yexo> to filter just tpe the start of the setting name after it 21:57:26 <Yexo> like "list_settings pf.yapf.rail" 21:58:43 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:55 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:00:10 <Yexo> planetmaker: there are still a few coding style issues with your patch 22:00:34 <Yexo> STRLEN_TOTAL = xx+yy+zz; <- spaces around + 22:00:35 <planetmaker> hm, still? 22:00:36 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:41 <planetmaker> oh 22:01:01 <Yexo> in getSysCTLvalue, the comment block, I'd put the comment on the same line as /* and put the */ on the last line (intead of on a new one) 22:01:27 <Yexo> + *@param char ... <- missing spaced before @ 22:01:41 <Yexo> + /** Determine CPU Family, Type, and Subtype */ <- should be /*, it's not a doxygen comment 22:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: well, i seem to recall some bugs bunny sketches talking about napoleon 22:02:10 <planetmaker> /** = doxygen and /* = normal? 22:02:14 <Yexo> yes 22:02:24 <planetmaker> then the wiki needs clearification 22:02:26 <planetmaker> :-) 22:03:09 <Yexo> ok :) 22:07:31 <Yexo> planetmaker: better now? (header of section Documentation) 22:10:34 <planetmaker> :-) 22:10:37 <planetmaker> yup 22:13:13 <Yexo> + *Most import <- missing space 22:13:53 <Yexo> + cpufam = (int) raw_version; 22:13:53 <Yexo> <- space after (int) shouldn't be there 22:14:23 <Yexo> and it still looks like you're missing a lot of breaks in GetProcessorType 22:24:07 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9a89.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 22:24:27 <planetmaker> hm... yes, I do 22:26:25 <planetmaker> he... maybe it then even works for me - with those breaks :-D 22:29:16 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:30:49 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:31:52 <SmatZ> Yexo: sadly, those files in macosx/ directory break coding style in many ways :-/ 22:32:12 <Yexo> so we should fix that, nto introduce more coding-style breaking code 22:32:27 <SmatZ> sure :) 22:32:46 <SmatZ> I would do that if I had OSX 22:33:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:06 <Yexo> same problem here :) 22:34:05 <Yexo> planetmaker: +* This file contains objective C <- don't remove the space before * 22:34:22 <Yexo> and dont' make it a doxygen comment either 22:34:22 <planetmaker> I really appreciate your care and support, Yexo :-) Thanks! 22:34:22 <planetmaker> yippih, yipieh yeah yeah. Now my processor is know :-) 22:34:22 <planetmaker> those breaks are bad for me... IDL, the language I programme in most, doesn't require them... 22:34:22 <planetmaker> +n 22:34:56 <Yexo> +int _getSysCTLvalue(const char key[], unsigned long * dest) 22:34:56 <Yexo> <- should be *dest, not * dest (not space in between) 22:35:24 <Yexo> + *@param char ret_strg <- sttill needs a space before @ 22:35:44 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:49 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:40:50 <planetmaker> Bjarni's comment about the objective c is still right, though. When resorting directly to the API some parts of objective c probably can never be entirely be avoided 22:41:58 <planetmaker> those things also fixed 22:43:38 <Yexo> can you upload a new diff? 22:44:12 <planetmaker> yup. Just doing a test compile 22:44:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:18 <planetmaker> uploaded: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782/getfile/4669/cputype.diff 22:48:56 <Yexo> the default case still has a /** comment block 22:49:07 <Yexo> and also needs a space before We 22:50:25 <Yexo> sprintf(family_str,"Int <- missing space after comma 22:50:30 <planetmaker> yes... I don't see the wood anymore because of the trees - as we say in German 22:51:15 <Yexo> planetmaker: shall I fix those remaining code style issues? 22:51:33 <Xaroth> can't see the forest through the trees :) 22:51:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:52:43 <planetmaker> I'll just upload those fixes. And then I'd gladly say 'yes' :-) 22:52:48 * Fast2 can't see the forest because he burned the trees 22:57:15 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 22:59:33 <Yexo> planetmaker: oh, it needs another patch first 22:59:55 <planetmaker> yes, the other one. 23:00:04 <planetmaker> Together they make sense. 23:00:26 <planetmaker> The other one IMO is even more important. As it is a bug fix 23:00:38 <planetmaker> while the cpu type thing is a feature improvement 23:01:38 <planetmaker> I used hg queues with those... one common goal, but sub tasks separated, e.g. one patch per issue 23:02:36 <planetmaker> and they're so close next to eachother, that they necessarily interfere 23:02:52 <planetmaker> uhm... sorry. 23:03:04 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 23:03:31 <planetmaker> together also the coding style then is ok ;-) 23:03:58 <planetmaker> the 2nd fixes two(?) three(?) style errors in the first... 23:04:13 <planetmaker> Not sure whether I should have made it one patch, though 23:04:24 <Yexo> no, 2 patches are fine :) 23:05:38 <planetmaker> hm, I guess you couldn't even check whether it compiles... 23:06:51 *** MizardX- [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:39 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 23:09:49 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:26 <planetmaker> For now, I've got to go to bed. Thanks for the extensive review, Yexo :-) 23:10:32 <Yexo> np :) 23:10:42 <planetmaker> I guess before it gets commited, someone wants to try it on the CF? 23:10:44 <Yexo> I'll upload the new patches for you to compile tomorrow 23:10:55 <Yexo> I'm not going to commit it anyway since I can't test it 23:10:59 <planetmaker> ok, nice. I guess I can do that for breakfast :-) 23:11:25 <planetmaker> he... who tests those then? RB? 23:11:30 <planetmaker> g1x? 23:11:39 <planetmaker> or T3? 23:11:59 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:12:19 <Yexo> why do you think FS#2782 is still open? :p 23:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't highlight them, they're unlikely to answer ;) 23:12:29 <planetmaker> :-P 23:12:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:12:50 <Yexo> no idea, but I think all of them have mac osx running in a vm now 23:12:50 <planetmaker> Next week I can hopefully test on native 10.6, too 23:12:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and iirc, 1337 used to be a ban reason in here ;) 23:13:24 <planetmaker> hehe :-) no need to wake up the sleeping, though ;-) 23:13:48 <planetmaker> apropos sleeping. Good night! :-) 23:14:15 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EA984.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:23 <glx> Yexo: but it's really slow :) 23:19:50 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:19:52 <glx> at least I can compile now (was not the case with panther in pearpc) 23:20:26 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:30 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 23:20:46 <glx> but 45min for a full build is not nice 23:23:41 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-110-59.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 23:27:10 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7620B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:54 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:27 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]