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01:37:12  <Belugas> mmmh
01:37:18  <Belugas> later then i though
01:37:26  <Belugas> than
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03:01:52  <mickster04> hey can anyone help me set up a goal server?
03:01:58  <mickster04> i cant see how to do it in any manual
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03:51:27  <mickster04> does anyone have a points system goal server set up that i could at least look at? code wise?
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10:04:14  <bartavelle> hello
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10:31:26  <petern> hmm, FIRS seems to have way too many industries and cargos to be fun
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10:32:55  <JVassie> really?
10:35:19  <petern> i started a map with low towns and low industries and it's still chock full of industries
10:35:52  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, ECS has a similar problem
10:36:09  <petern> and thus it's hard to get into
10:36:18  <petern> you have to look at a ton of industries to know what goes where
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10:43:16  <JVassie> I havent tried it yet
10:43:19  <JVassie> probably should
10:44:47  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18178 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Let NewGRF Add window's text filter expand.
10:49:00  <Eddi|zuHause> how about making this filter persistent?
10:50:33  <petern> provide a patch? ;)
10:51:37  <Eddi|zuHause> there's an "improved newgrf window" patch for ages...
10:52:03  <Eddi|zuHause> adding newgrfs is such a hassle...
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10:56:17  <petern> well fix the patch for nested widgets? ;)
10:56:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18179 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the town authority window RTL aware
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11:10:44  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18180 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the news history window RTL aware
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12:09:25  <fonsinchen> I guess this one is a bug: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=120215
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12:20:12  <JVassie> andythenorth, you there? :)
12:21:39  <andythenorth> hi
12:21:48  <JVassie> hey
12:21:57  <JVassie> i presume you probably know the answer to this
12:22:05  <JVassie> but which sets are currently FIRS compatible?
12:22:09  <JVassie> NARS? PJ1K?
12:22:29  <andythenorth> NARS yes
12:22:33  <andythenorth> PJ1K tes
12:22:34  <andythenorth> yes
12:22:39  <JVassie> perfect thnx
12:22:39  <andythenorth> 2CC Trainset
12:22:49  <andythenorth> canset 3 will be
12:22:52  <andythenorth> canset 3 is partially
12:22:54  <JVassie> ooh lovely
12:22:57  <andythenorth> canset 2 sorry
12:22:59  <andythenorth> us set partially
12:23:17  <andythenorth> using us set + canset together gets support for most cargos, but not all :|
12:23:25  <andythenorth> there is good ship support ;)
12:23:31  <JVassie> :p
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12:28:15  <JVassie> EO1: Incompatible Set
12:28:16  <JVassie> :/
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13:54:08  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18181 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp table/control_codes.h table/strgen_tables.h): -Add: the concept of zero filled numbers to strgen
13:56:24  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18182 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use the zero fill control code instead of duplicating strings with 'only' the 0 differing
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14:08:36  <Belugas> hello
14:09:59  <TheExile> Hi
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14:20:34  <Forked> boioioioing
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15:45:21  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18183 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the NewGRF window RTL aware
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16:27:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: glx * r18184 /trunk/src/os/windows/ (crashlog_win.cpp ottdres.rc.in): -Codechange: add crash screenshot for win32
16:33:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18185 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix: the up/down buttons had the wrong logical ordering with RTL. Also one of the tooltips was incorrect.
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17:39:32  <DJNekkid> guys ... what is the purpose of action0 property 12 ? (for trains, and it's siblings in other vehicles)
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17:49:04  <welshdragon> If anybody wants an ubuntu 9.10/kubuntu 9.10/ubuntu server 9.10 disk straight from Canonical please email me: mark@welshdragon.headweb.co.uk
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17:56:16  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18186 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Add: a widgets for left/right arrows with the ability to turn themselves around when a RTL language is loaded
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17:57:38  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18187 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: make the advanced face selection, custom currency, difficulty, news settings, signal, sign and vehicle details window RTL aware (use the arrow widget)
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18:01:37  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18188 /trunk/src/ (order_gui.cpp widget.cpp widget_type.h widgets/dropdown.cpp): -Codechange: s/NWID_BUTTON_DRPDOWN/NWID_BUTTON_DROPDOWN/g
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18:08:24  <Eddi|zuHause> you added a redundant letter!! why does nobody ever think of the entropy!!
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18:08:50  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18189 /trunk/src/ (55 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove some now unneeded strings
18:09:30  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHase: what is redundant?
18:11:00  <Eddi|zuHause> "natural languages" have a great deal of redundancy. "everybody" [who remotely knows the language] can derive from "drpdown" that there's an 'o' to insert
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18:11:46  <Eddi|zuHause> many languages (from ancient egyption to modern arabic) don't write down vowels at all
18:12:16  <Wolf01> evening :D
18:12:29  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a Wlf!
18:12:41  <frosch123> ddzhas: k :)
18:13:17  <frosch123> oh, i failed :(
18:13:25  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you did ;)
18:13:52  <Eddi|zuHause> this is a corner case anyway, as it's more difficult if you leave out the vowels AND the word separators...
18:15:29  <Eddi|zuHause> plus, it doesn't work as well, the higher the ratio of vowels in the language is
18:15:34  <Rubidium> jhvhstthdr <- whtdsthtmn?
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18:15:58  <Wolf01> today was a good day to die
18:16:10  <Eddi|zuHause> and we missed it!!
18:16:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i can only figure out "what does that mean?"
18:17:40  <Rubidium> so vowels aren't that useless after all, though... maybe I should add spaces
18:17:48  <frosch123> Did you mean: yhwh tthdr
18:18:03  <Rubidium>  jhvh s t th dr
18:18:07  <Rubidium> frosch123: nope :)
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18:19:59  <Wolf01> somebody *again* knocked my car with his car doors, I parked my car in the middle of the parking area... today is the day we have street market so the area would have been filled with cars about 30 minutes after I parked there :P
18:20:00  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's mostly that you are not used to reading that way... it would make perfectly sense if that was how it's done for centuries
18:21:04  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there are a few ambiguous cases, that need a little time to resolve
18:21:27  <Eddi|zuHause> especially since english has a lot of monosyllable words
18:21:32  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "a jehovah is at the door"
18:22:27  <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically, that'd be a jehovah's witness ;)
18:23:01  <Eddi|zuHause> and depending on your interpretation, "j" would be a vowel, too ;)
18:23:54  <Rubidium> no..., not the witnesses of a jehovah, the jehovah itself... if that exists, but I assume it does because otherwise you can't be of said entity
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18:26:33  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: maybe you remember that scene of stargate [movie] where daniel jackson tries to figure out the egyptian writing at the other planet, and the woman corrects his pronunciation by filling in different vowels
18:27:10  <Rubidium> vaguely
18:29:47  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, vowels are very redundant parts of the average language, especially if they are inbetween two consonants
18:29:57  <frosch123> actually google was right with "yhwh", just different transcription
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18:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18190 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt french.txt serbian.txt spanish.txt):
18:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau
18:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
18:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: serbian - 2 changes by etran
18:45:34  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen
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19:01:05  <Wolf01> bye
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19:02:49  <Hirundo> MSVC complains about r18173: c:\program files\openttd\is\src\smallmap_gui.cpp(955) : warning C4146: unary minus operator applied to unsigned type, result still unsigned
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19:32:29  <petern> GREAT GIGS
19:32:31  <petern> IN THE SKY
19:38:59  <Eddi|zuHause> gnarf... a filling just dropped out...
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20:34:07  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
20:34:39  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18191 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Codechange: add an mirrored 'play' button for the RTL interface
20:34:56  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18192 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make the music window RTL aware
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21:07:40  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18193 /trunk/src/cheat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the cheat window RTL aware
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21:21:51  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18194 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the AI 'config' window RTL aware
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21:53:59  <Markk> Is there any swedes around? Or danish/norwegians?
21:55:07  <Markk> I try to translate "Branch line" and "sidings", but "sidings" is "Stickspår" and "branch line" I haven't found any good translation for. Any idea?
21:55:08  <_ln> *Are there
21:55:14  <Markk> Thanks :)
21:55:20  <_ln> you're welcome
21:56:36  <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains <- hmm, does everyone understand "set to zero" as imperative? i.e. that the grfauthor should set it to zero, not ottd/ttdp
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22:11:47  <Rubidium> s/set to/must be/ might make it clearer
22:13:02  <planetmaker> indeed
22:13:35  <frosch123> hmm, ok, i take "should be"
22:13:42  <Belugas> zhome
22:13:44  <Belugas> znight
22:14:05  <frosch123> currently they are ignore, but maybe that won't stay forever and then zero would keep the stuff compatible
22:14:24  <frosch123> byez Belugas
22:15:07  <planetmaker> ciao Belugas
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22:28:58  <frosch123> night
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22:49:26  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18195 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp settings_gui.cpp widget.cpp window_gui.h):
22:49:26  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: move the child padding calculation/handling to WWT_FRAME
22:49:26  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix (r18168): crash when switching languages when a non-standard font height is used
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