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*** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:04:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e01febd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:30 <Terkhen> good morning 07:24:32 <Markk> Yes, acctually, its a good morning. 07:25:17 <planetmaker> moin 07:27:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:38 * planetmaker wonders whether the students will still think "it's a good morning" after they see the exam tasks :-P 07:28:41 <Terkhen> if it is due today or tomorrow maybe, otherwise they will forget about it for now :) 07:29:06 <planetmaker> the exam is today at 11:30am 07:29:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:15 <planetmaker> it's not a homework thingy 07:29:30 <Terkhen> then they won't be able to forget about it :) 07:30:12 <planetmaker> :-) I didn't find all tasks 'nice', to be honest 07:30:27 <planetmaker> but for physics 101 it's not my choice ;-) 07:39:53 *** 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the connection] 09:18:44 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:39 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107640.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:15 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B1079BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:56 *** ar3k [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:47:58 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:25:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:27:00 <Wolf01> hello 10:27:53 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:12:01 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:21:23 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 11:51:19 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 11:56:09 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:36 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has joined #openttd 12:09:42 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 12:13:10 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:25 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 12:44:44 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:50:01 *** Zonta [~DAN@modemcable132.116-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:57:10 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:09:45 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AAC9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:23:58 <Belugas> hello 13:30:43 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED27ED7.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:27 <__ln__> you could say that 13:35:38 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95b3:f299:230f:8fe] has joined #openttd 13:35:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:39:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:26 <Belugas> that 13:41:31 <Belugas> ... 13:41:34 <Belugas> not hte same impact as 13:41:36 <Belugas> hello 13:45:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:52:57 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-139-233.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:17 <planetmaker> still.... 'hello' ;-) 13:54:32 <Belugas> hehehe 13:54:41 <Belugas> hello to you too sir :) 13:55:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ceb50.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:08 *** George is now known as Guest2026 13:56:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:01:45 *** Guest1389 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-157-36.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 14:03:38 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-139-233.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:29:33 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:40 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:10 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:27 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:53:18 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086bee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:20 *** rhaeder1 is now known as rhaeder 16:16:30 *** Aali [~aali@h-185-102.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:08 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED27ED7.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:20:05 *** Aali [~aali@h-185-102.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:20:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ceb50.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:05 <dihedral> anybody got some hints? i want to fix alignment in bind zone files :-P 16:25:32 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED27ED7.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:07 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:25 *** ar3k [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:28:25 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 16:32:44 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> # So viel kaputt, aber so vieles nicht 16:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> # Jede der Scherben spiegelt das Licht 16:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> # So viel kaputt, aber zwischen der Glut 16:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> # Zwischen Asche und TrÃŒmmern war irgendwas gut 16:36:57 <dihedral> that does not help me :-D 16:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> music always helps :) 16:39:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:16 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, are you not an awk guru? 16:40:17 <dihedral> :-) 16:40:29 <Eddi|zuHause> depends. 16:40:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:41:27 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:51 <dihedral> i have a bunch of bind zone files 16:42:07 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure what that is 16:42:36 <dihedral> http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch6/mydomain.html 16:43:20 <dihedral> assume below the line starting with 'fred' there is another line, 'friedolin' 16:43:33 <dihedral> and i want all lines aligned correctly 16:43:46 <dihedral> and i do not know the length of the longest line 16:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause> aye, need to calculate that in a first pass, and then correct the spacing in a second pass 16:44:36 <dihedral> you have something up your seeve? 16:44:40 <dihedral> *sleeve 16:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure awk is the right tool for that, though ;) 16:44:52 <dihedral> i have about 800 files :-P 16:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> a "real" script language like python would probably be better 16:46:10 <frosch123> can't you just guess to max length? 16:46:13 <frosch123> like 40 chars for the name 16:47:39 <dihedral> possibly could 16:53:47 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-22-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 16:56:34 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:36 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 16:58:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:02:49 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-110-152.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:09:36 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:10:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:11:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml] 17:14:13 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host81-154-220-56.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:28 <LordAro> moin all 17:14:33 <confound_> dihedral: do you have perl installed? 17:14:36 *** confound_ is now known as confound 17:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> if the answer to that is "yes", please uninstall it immediately :p 17:19:16 <confound> that is both dumb and unrealistic 17:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, stay the hell away from perl... 17:23:01 <confound> seriously, he might have it installed because it comes with a lot of systems that also might have bind 17:23:18 <confound> that's all 17:23:45 <confound> python or ruby would also be fine, but they aren't installed as many places by default (yet) 17:24:13 <confound> dihedral: anyway, the longest one will be something like cat * | egrep -v '^;' | awk '{print length()}' 17:24:27 <confound> the longest first word, that is 17:25:49 <confound> applying that spacing would then be perl -pi.bak -ale '$F[0] = sprintf("%20s", $F[0]) unless $F[0] =~ /^;/' * where 20 is the hypothetical length 17:25:58 <confound> port to your favorite scripting language 17:26:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-134-18.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:40 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@vpnb059.ugent.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:02 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:44:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-157-36.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:47:04 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:38 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 17:55:22 <LordAro> grrr... 17:55:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1EC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 17:56:09 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:46 <LordAro> i can't do any aroai developing on my ubuntu pc because the repo version is 1.7.x and the latest version for ubuntu is 1.6.3! 17:56:47 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 17:57:16 <LordAro> why can't everyone has a special building system like openttd? :( 17:57:54 * LordAro finds something else to do... 17:58:01 <Ammler> LordAro: mercurial? 17:58:09 <LordAro> yus 17:58:13 <peter1138> Eh? 17:58:17 <Ammler> repos are downwardscompatible 17:58:21 <peter1138> Oh, incompatible versions? Hah 17:59:11 <Ammler> what is the error you get with 1.6.3? 17:59:13 <LordAro> 1.7 -> 1.6 isn't: "abort: requirement 'dotencode' not supported!" 17:59:20 <Ammler> then disable that 18:00:09 <LordAro> can't - it's part of the /.hg/requires file, and i'm not brave enough to delete it :) 18:00:18 <Ammler> --config format.dotencode=false 18:00:42 <Ammler> clone it that way 18:01:05 <LordAro> that'd work without re-pulling the repo? (that was what official documentation told me) 18:01:11 <LordAro> oh, no :) 18:02:17 <Ammler> you don't really need dotencode 18:02:58 <LordAro> i'm sure i don't, but it's done now 18:03:03 <LordAro> what is it for? 18:04:11 <Ammler> what do you mean with done now? 18:04:31 <Ammler> why do you pull with 1.7, then work with 1.6? 18:04:45 <LordAro> my windows version of hg is 1.7 18:04:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ceb50.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:17 <Ammler> and you work on same repo with 1.6? 18:05:28 <Ammler> just clone it and work with that 18:05:59 <LordAro> meh, it can wait 18:06:07 <LordAro> i just do something else :) 18:06:18 <LordAro> s/i/i'll/ 18:06:34 <Ammler> it is just unlogical :-) 18:06:55 <Ammler> nobody works that way, that is why nobody really cares 18:08:07 <LordAro> its not my fault they haven't released a newer version for ubuntu 18:08:47 <Ammler> nah, please don't blame those, it is you not using it like the majority :-P 18:09:14 <Ammler> and there is still the config workaround for such situations 18:10:01 <LordAro> i guess... 18:10:02 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:46 <LordAro> is there any way of finding out when they're going to decide to build a newer version (for ubuntu)? 18:11:16 <Ammler> don't hey have something like "factory repo"? 18:11:28 <Ammler> on suse you get already 1.8.1 18:11:54 <Rubidium> LordAro: natty is on 1.7.5, older ubuntus ones won't get newer hgs 18:12:28 <Ammler> Rubidium: ususally there is somewhere a backport or testing repo 18:12:58 <Rubidium> backports with ubuntu? 18:13:12 <Rubidium> nah... they release too fast for that to make sense 18:13:17 <LordAro> natty being ubuntu 11.04? 18:13:18 <glx> LordAro: ubuntu releases are simple, one in april and one in october 18:13:42 <Rubidium> even then, ubuntu is in freeze so new versions are unlikely to happen 18:14:07 <Ammler> anyway, you can still work with hg 1.0 on every repo 18:14:08 <Rubidium> unless someone specifically asks for it 18:14:54 <Rubidium> and then only when it's in Debian (which 1.8.1 is) 18:15:51 <LordAro> i think i can cope until april 18:15:53 <LordAro> :) 18:16:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:29 <LordAro> hmm...28th april :L 18:16:49 <Rubidium> be aware that 1.1.0 does not support 11.04 18:16:49 <Ammler> don't move around repos with usual file tools, use hg clone/pull and you don't need 18:17:56 <Rubidium> yay libicu :( 18:18:18 <LordAro> Rubidium: what? 18:18:29 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 18:18:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:19:14 <Rubidium> the Ubuntu 10.10 (or 10.04) binaries won't work on Ubuntu 11.04 18:19:34 <planetmaker> :-( 18:19:41 <LordAro> how come? 18:19:49 <Rubidium> libicu being stupid 18:19:57 <SmatZ> as usual 18:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 26 new episodes of futurama ordered 18:21:16 <LordAro> well you're going to have to fid a fix, or many people will start shouting at you :p 18:21:42 <LordAro> s/fid/find/ 18:22:12 <__ln__> if someone chooses ubuntu, it's their own problem. 18:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: the "fix" is to use the generic binaries 18:22:34 * planetmaker really enjoys the "you'll have to" part in stuff which people do in their free time :-P 18:22:45 <SmatZ> :-) 18:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: or the "proper fix" is to convince the libicu people to provide binary compatibility between versions 18:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> which you are free to try by yourself. 18:24:23 <LordAro> no thanks :) 18:24:34 <planetmaker> well. Then you got your fix ;-) 18:24:47 <Rubidium> stay at 10.10 ;) 18:24:54 <SmatZ> LordAro: or we will start shouting at you :p 18:25:16 <Rubidium> alternatively you could try to get 1.1.0 into 11.04 18:25:31 <LordAro> how hard would it be to just have separate binaries for 11.04? 10.04 and 10.10 are already split up 18:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: since there is no 11.04 yet... 18:26:01 <Rubidium> ~3 hours work, once 11.04 is available 18:26:31 <Rubidium> it's not hard, it's just boring and annoying 18:26:43 <LordAro> so what will hapen first? 11.04 or 1.1.0? 18:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:27:09 <__ln__> Rubidium: are you using ubuntu yourself? 18:27:16 <Rubidium> the event to happen first will be the event that happens first 18:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> HAHAHA 18:28:20 <LordAro> thought so :) 18:30:16 <Rubidium> __ln__: what benefits would Ubuntu give me over rushed releases and lagging updates? 18:31:29 <__ln__> Rubidium: none. that's why i was wondering. 18:31:39 <LordAro> Rubidium: so what do you use? (if you're allowed to tell me :P ) 18:33:16 <Rubidium> Debian 18:38:33 *** TNT [~TNT@p5498B099.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:44 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:39:13 *** ar3k [~ident@ebl114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:40:24 <TNT> hi, to whoever is reading atm: 18:40:41 <TNT> i want nuclear power-plants, uranium mines and castor-transports 18:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid you'd have to do that yourself. 18:44:05 <Terkhen> TNT: write a NewGRF ;) 18:44:18 <TNT> ach nee, bin kein programmierer 18:44:45 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:50 <Yexo> drawing the graphics for them and writing down a plan on the cargo types and how they should be transported will already go a long way towards getting somebody to help 18:44:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22274 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt: 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 9 changes by Fopper 18:46:08 <TNT> hm, will have to kick a friend's ass to do this, i'm just an admin, he is programming games 18:46:41 <Yexo> you don't need to be a programmer to draw the graphics or write a document on which cargo types should be transported from which industry to which industry 18:47:50 <TNT> time is something i dont have these days unfortunately, i'm happy for every second i can play 18:48:24 <planetmaker> well. you can buy my time. It starts at 100⬠/h for interesting stuff 18:48:53 <TNT> phew, you're more expensive than me 18:49:10 <planetmaker> shit happens ;-) 18:49:21 <Yexo> most likely because anything you'll hire him for will cut into his "free time" ;) 18:50:15 <TNT> i've got about 10 hours free time, 7-8 i need for sleep from that 18:51:15 <planetmaker> sounds like A LOT free time tbh 18:53:05 <TNT> if it would be less, i would have never been able to check out openttd :S 18:53:54 <TNT> but i'm glad about this project, since TT has always been one of my favorites 18:59:04 <TNT> another "stupid" question: can i change the double-click-speed somewhere? sometimes i do 2 clicks unwanted 19:02:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:15 <Yexo> no, it's hardcoded at 500ms 19:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Breaking News: DNF won't make its deadline! :p 19:05:51 <SmatZ> haha 19:06:00 <SmatZ> why it doesn't surprise me :) 19:06:29 <Terkhen> that's unexpected :P 19:09:14 <TNT> thx, for answering/help; have to go now, will try visiting more often 19:09:14 <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6fFKkmIrWM explained here 19:09:27 *** TNT [~TNT@p5498B099.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:09:43 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host81-154-220-56.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.1 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:10:37 <ar3k> Duke never comes early. 19:10:39 <ar3k> LOL 19:11:00 <SmatZ> :) 19:11:18 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ceb50.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:12:52 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 19:13:18 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:43 <Nite> Hi 19:13:47 <Alberth> hi 19:13:54 <Nite> about the skip order button 19:14:19 <Nite> if u use ti with conditional orders 19:14:38 <Nite> it does always jump to the condition instead of the next in list 19:14:57 <Nite> is that intended or is it even still that way? 19:15:19 <Nite> because you cannot reach some orders with the skip button that way 19:15:37 *** rane [~rane@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:16:57 <Alberth> I have never tried the skip order button with conditional orders 19:17:24 <Alberth> so the best way to find out how it works is to try it, eg with the 1.1.0-RC3 19:17:27 <Nite> you never tried conditional orders? 19:17:40 <Alberth> only 1 time 19:17:58 <Alberth> but at that time I had no need to skip things :) 19:18:06 <Nite> i use them for save unload loops in case som ecs industry is overloaded ... 19:18:29 <Alberth> seems a good use case :) 19:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a theory: 19:18:42 <Alberth> I find ECS too complicated to be fun 19:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> when paused, the jump was not evaluated 19:19:06 <Nite> i find vanilla insdustries to simple to be fun 19:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you try it unpaused (or the pause behaviour changed) so it is now immediately evaluated 19:19:26 <Nite> unpaused 19:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> before you can use the skip button again 19:19:34 <Nite> i cannot pause a online game 19:19:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has joined #openttd 19:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> solution: make the skip button only jump to real orders 19:20:21 <Nite> i get your point, it evaluates and then jums 19:20:27 <Nite> + p 19:20:55 <Nite> iam talking about real orders 19:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> workaround: reorder the entries, then skip, and reorder back 19:21:22 <Nite> real condi orders 19:21:40 <Nite> i get theat it has to jump if condition is true 19:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: i was counting conditional orders as "not real" in this context :p 19:22:05 <andythenorth> hello 19:22:27 <Alberth> hello andy 19:22:47 <Nite> id there a magic key combi to jump to an specific order? 19:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there is, but i'm not sure 19:23:26 <Nite> its not ctrl not alt and not shift + klick ;) 19:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but the (drag&drop) reordering way should work 19:23:31 <planetmaker> heya andythenorth 19:23:38 <Yexo> maybe double-click? 19:23:47 <Nite> nah the drag and drop is too complicated 19:23:49 <Chris_Booth> is there any way to set a company [password via console? 19:24:16 <Nite> doubkleklick does the "far middle near - end" thing 19:24:22 <Yexo> company_pw "new_pass" 19:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: and ctrl+click on the skip button? 19:24:45 <Yexo> company_pw company_num "new_pass" <- to set the company of another company 19:25:19 <Yexo> Nite: select order, than ctrl+click on skip button 19:25:19 <Chris_Booth> so in thoery I should be able to add it to AP and set a company pass 19:25:24 <Nite> i got it! 19:25:25 <Yexo> at least according to the code that should work, didn't test 19:25:38 <Yexo> Chris_Booth: yes 19:25:46 <Chris_Booth> will have to test is thanks Yexo 19:25:56 <Nite> ALT + klick the skip button skips backUupwards the order list 19:26:23 <Chris_Booth> Nite: it is spelt Click :P 19:26:55 <Nite> (ctrl + K-lick does nada) 19:27:08 <Nite> its spelled klick in some countries 19:27:22 <Yexo> perhaps, but not in english ;) 19:27:25 <Chris_Booth> not in english though 19:27:30 <Chris_Booth> which is what you where typing 19:27:47 <Alberth> s/where/were/ :) 19:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> who says you should speak english here? ... oh, wait... :p 19:28:08 <Chris_Booth> lol 19:28:10 <Nite> ahem yeah ... kind of english ... ahem ... i like klick more ;P 19:28:55 <Chris_Booth> way to go for me I must be the biggest noob here. correcting someone then getting it wrong myself :D 19:29:14 * Chris_Booth slaps him self arround the face with a wet fish 19:30:24 <Nite> why? 19:30:29 <Yexo> <Nite> ALT + klick the skip button skips backUupwards the order list <- is that a feature request? 19:30:35 <Yexo> it doesn't work that way currently 19:30:50 <Nite> Yexo no not a reques, it already does that 19:30:56 <Nite> it is a find 19:31:01 <Yexo> it doesn't work that way 19:31:03 <Nite> + t 19:31:08 <Nite> it does for me 19:31:20 <Yexo> than you don't use an official openttd version but a custom modified one 19:31:30 <Nite> SRY 19:32:12 <Nite> no it doesen't *asks chris_booth for a slap* 19:32:47 <Nite> it just jumped up because of the condi result 19:33:20 <Nite> sry by blindness 19:34:31 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-110-152.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:39 <Nite> the tooltip mousoverleftClick says: ctrl + skip = jump to selected order 19:34:54 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-110-152.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:35:06 <Nite> thx eddi ... btw 19:35:26 <Nite> thx Yexo 19:35:31 <Chris_Booth> just imagine if you could have double deck train station 19:35:46 <Chris_Booth> that would slove my 10x10tiles problem 19:35:54 <Chris_Booth> where i need more than 18 platforms 19:36:03 <Chris_Booth> but can't due to sever resritcions 19:36:17 <Nite> or loopings ;-) 19:36:38 <Nite> two stations maybee? 19:37:21 <Chris_Booth> can't Nite its a drop station for a big factory 19:37:31 <Chris_Booth> and I hate auto orders filling up my lists 19:38:22 <andythenorth> stop routing your trains to the wrong places? :P 19:38:38 <Chris_Booth> I had an idea for a 20 plafrom super termiuns 19:39:10 * andythenorth wonders about taking bets on automatic orders 19:39:18 <andythenorth> we could have various wagers 19:39:18 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth I am not I have all farms and steel droping in my factory drop, I could split up stations with waypoint 19:39:25 <Chris_Booth> and 2 drops 19:39:25 <andythenorth> 'number of complaints' 19:39:32 <andythenorth> 'number of requests for advanced setting' 19:39:40 <andythenorth> 'number of patches devised' 19:39:54 <andythenorth> 'number of rebuttals of complaints' 19:39:57 <Alberth> number of said patches hitting trunk :p 19:40:10 <Chris_Booth> why do we have auto orders now? 19:40:20 <Chris_Booth> why couldn't we just stick with the old system 19:40:25 <Chris_Booth> of not knowing is best? 19:40:44 <Alberth> to have more faithful lists of vehicles visiting a station 19:40:57 <Chris_Booth> i don't need to know though 19:41:07 *** staN [~Miranda@p4FD84A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:33 <Chris_Booth> for example if the station spread is 10 I can use an entrance and exit way point, then get effectivly double the drop platforms for a secondary industry 19:41:44 <Chris_Booth> I don't care which train used which drop 19:42:03 <Chris_Booth> and then it mean I only use none'none-stop' orders between my waypoint 19:42:10 <Chris_Booth> so it doesn't kill my network 19:42:28 <andythenorth> is non-stop now default? 19:42:32 <andythenorth> maybe it should be 19:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: it's a prerequesite for cargodist 19:42:54 * andythenorth ponders a toggle in the orders window 19:43:08 <andythenorth> seems like a case for progressive disclosure 19:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you can choose whether non-stop should be default 19:43:58 <andythenorth> I know 19:44:01 <Chris_Booth> yes in advanced settings 19:44:12 <andythenorth> I wondered what a vanilla config sets 19:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i presume that is off by default 19:44:19 <Chris_Booth> and it has cases for and against being default 19:44:23 <andythenorth> it should be off 19:44:31 <andythenorth> it's confusing 19:44:37 <andythenorth> more concepts == less fun 19:44:43 <Chris_Booth> no it isn't andythenorth 19:44:57 <andythenorth> it's extra words to read 19:44:58 <Chris_Booth> you try and play an openttdcoop game with none stop orders off 19:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean? 19:45:19 <andythenorth> I mean non-stop should be off by default 19:45:22 <Chris_Booth> you will just end up with cargo in the wrong place 19:45:44 <andythenorth> the default case shouldn't impose unnecessary words 19:45:54 <andythenorth> if non-stop was the default, then we should invert the words 19:46:12 <Chris_Booth> yes agreed 19:46:19 <andythenorth> to something like 'stop at any station' 19:46:24 <andythenorth> which is more explicit 19:46:24 <Chris_Booth> stoping should be added 19:46:32 <peter1138> So, er, how does one set UDMA mode on a drive with libata-style drivers? 19:46:56 <andythenorth> but changing the existing words screws with existing users :P 19:47:35 <Chris_Booth> who care about these 'users'? 19:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: does hdparm not do it? 19:47:55 <peter1138> No. 19:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... 19:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> then i don't know 19:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also sdparm, but i have no clue how that works 19:48:53 <peter1138> Same :) 19:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you just need a newer hdparm? 19:53:00 <peter1138> It's hdparm from Debian Squeeze. Probably not _that_ out of date, even for Debian ;) 19:55:03 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I expect more reactions about not allowing to change NewGRFs ingame :) 19:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree. there are way more people triggering the "i forgot to add a grf" case than the "i have auto-balancing network and it's a pathologic case for auto-orders" 19:57:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: you don't think there have been enough? :P 19:58:02 <Terkhen> I think that it will become worse :P 20:00:08 <Nite> the question is, do ppl really use "nonstop" more often then stopanywhere? 20:00:24 <Chris_Booth> I never use stop any where 20:00:31 <Yexo> I only use non-stop 20:00:40 <supermop> i only use non-stop 20:00:49 <Chris_Booth> none stop is more noob proof 20:01:21 <Nite> i use nonstop for most cargo systems (however not always set it if no statoin in between the route) and stopanywhere for pax systems 20:03:13 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i used to use normal stop for passengers, but cargodist enforced me to use non-stop there 20:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> now with auto-orders i will try to switch back 20:04:54 <Chris_Booth> what is the point in cargo dist? 20:05:02 <Chris_Booth> just ruins your network 20:05:37 <andythenorth> I used stop anywhere, until automatic orders 20:05:54 <andythenorth> now I realise all the wrong places my vehicles go to :P 20:06:30 <Alberth> Chris_Booth: feeder systems become much more interesting 20:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: au contraire. it makes a network useful in the first place 20:07:10 <Chris_Booth> it just means that you will have to make sure you only connect 1 of every secondary to your network 20:07:29 <Nite> autoorders where there befor you just did not see them 20:07:40 <Chris_Booth> and make sure you only have 1 station in towns 20:08:36 <Alberth> Chris_Booth: is that because you play for maximal volume transported? 20:08:46 <Chris_Booth> yes Alberth 20:09:11 <Alberth> ok, then it makes sense what you say :) 20:09:12 <Nite> inthe first place the "non stop default" meant that you could NOT do "stopeverywhere" 20:09:14 <Chris_Booth> when I play generaly it just about getting as many trains on one line as possible 20:09:25 <Nite> so you had to klick every statoin you wanted stops 20:09:30 <Alberth> I prefer a game where routing is a major concern 20:10:12 <Chris_Booth> I like game where you have side lines, that lead you to main lines, which then lead to main stations or towns 20:10:12 * andythenorth waves at Alberth - with some news about cb 14C and industry chain view :| 20:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: what if you play with production stockpile limits, or when you max out your standard factory? 20:10:23 <Nite> ma pax lines loo like this "ordered statoin - s1 - s2 - s3 - s4 - repeat - ordered station" 20:10:31 <Nite> s= unordered 20:10:40 <Chris_Booth> then I build a second inudstry in the same place Eddi|zuHause 20:10:46 <Alberth> andythenorth: I should be aware of what cb 14c does? 20:11:00 <andythenorth> customises output cargos 20:11:04 <andythenorth> it has a friend, 14B 20:11:12 <Nite> nonstop default is ok as long as you can set the stop everywhere in between 20:11:18 <Alberth> let me guess, it does input :) 20:11:21 <andythenorth> indeed 20:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: i'm pretty sure you can't sensibly supply two industries by the same station 20:11:34 <andythenorth> Alberth, conceptually, I don't know how you solve this :) 20:11:41 <andythenorth> but I can now lend you a test grf :P 20:11:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:11:53 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: then you haven't looked in the openttdcoop archivethen 20:12:10 <Alberth> luckily I am happily unaware of what it does :) 20:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: they had to balance 4 separate stations back then 20:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: while cargodist would auto-balance 20:12:50 <Yexo> Alberth: basically: input/output for one specific industry can differ from the input/output that is the default for that IndustryType 20:13:14 <Yexo> in code: class Industry has input/output types, they can differ from the corresponding input/output in class IndustrySpec 20:13:56 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: I know I built alot in that game 20:14:10 <Chris_Booth> but still would just build another factory 20:14:19 * Alberth sighs deeply 20:14:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-123-58.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:14:38 <V453000> these were 2 stations 20:14:40 <V453000> or more 20:14:58 <Chris_Booth> 4 station IIRC north south east and west 20:15:03 <V453000> yes 20:15:06 <V453000> each having 1 factory 20:15:15 <Chris_Booth> yes 20:15:52 <Chris_Booth> but realisticly with waypoint you can have 1 drop area(until auto orders kills you), and asmany drops as you want 20:16:01 <Chris_Booth> and then as many factories as you want 20:16:05 <V453000> no doubt 20:16:11 <V453000> we had that in psg 178 20:16:14 <V453000> 176 20:16:31 *** staN [~Miranda@p4FD84A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:16:47 <Chris_Booth> psg 176 was pre auto-orders? 20:17:25 <Alberth> cb 3D also looks interesting: " ... If there's another industry nearby that accepts this cargo, that one will get it. ..." <-- is that actually done? 20:17:39 <V453000> Chris_Booth: sure 20:17:45 <Alberth> afaik a station has only one targeting industry for a cargo? 20:17:45 <Nite> (in what way autoorders kills you?) 20:18:59 <Chris_Booth> when you use waypoint in this config, entrance -> anydrop station -> exit, auto orders fills you list with 255 stations between your 2 way points 20:19:12 <Chris_Booth> even if there are only 3 stations for example 20:19:19 <Chris_Booth> between your 2 waypoints 20:19:30 <Chris_Booth> so only 3 possible outcomes 20:19:44 <Chris_Booth> drop station 1, 2 or 3 20:19:52 <Chris_Booth> but auto oders thinks it know best 20:19:58 <Chris_Booth> and fills you list anyway 20:20:13 <Chris_Booth> its is even worse when you use a SRNW to pick up goods 20:21:08 <Chris_Booth> I think many people would agree with me on this subject 20:21:36 <Nite> another reason why autoorders should be "only" optional (beeing able to switch them off) :-/ 20:21:40 <V453000> auto orders do not do anything useful at all, only make your order list unmanageable. You set orders once, not more 20:22:45 <Chris_Booth> my point exactly V453000 20:23:16 <Nite> i agree especially when you have set condi orders ... and suddenly the list chnges and it no more yump to order "2" but "3" then "4" ... 20:23:28 <Nite> (jump sry) 20:24:07 <Yexo> there shouldn't be an option to turn them off, but to hide them 20:24:22 <Chris_Booth> Nite that should never be an issue with conditional orders unless they are self regualting since you should be using none-stop orders 20:24:25 <Nite> (i whine having them only optional since they are there) 20:24:30 <Yexo> important difference is that hiding them can be done for each client separately in a multiplayer game, while turning them off would be global per game 20:25:49 <Nite> Chris_Booth but they are rather selfUNregualting ... And you do not always want nonstop orders and then you would have to live with autoorderview. 20:26:19 <Chris_Booth> or you can do what I do to stop them 20:26:31 <Chris_Booth> fill you list with 200+ unreachable orders 20:26:44 <Nite> Yexo if that is so (for each client separately) then its good 20:28:00 <Nite> *g* @ Chris 20:28:17 <Chris_Booth> g? 20:30:05 <Nite> "fill you list with 200+ unreachable orders" great workaround *g* 20:30:56 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it's been GNOMEified. libata doesn't allow changing of DMA settings because it always chooses the best settings. Right... 20:31:25 <Nite> autoorders are rarely usefull and somtimes confuse or get in the way. 20:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> aha. right! :p 20:31:47 <peter1138> ata1.00: configured for PIO 20:31:56 <peter1138> ^ Not necessarily the best setting... 20:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe that means there's an underlying driver problem 20:32:59 <peter1138> ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 20:33:18 <peter1138> That's better, but it only does that on boot up. After suspend/resume, it reverts to PIO :( 20:33:29 <peter1138> (And it's a laptop, so suspend/resume are normal things) 20:33:54 <peter1138> And 60MB/s vs 2.5MB/s is a big difference :S 20:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i know the effect :p 20:34:41 <peter1138> Sure, I'm just whining :D 20:34:41 <SmatZ> peter1138: can you use hdparm to set UDMA mode? 20:34:46 <peter1138> SmatZ, no. 20:34:54 <SmatZ> :( 20:40:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 20:44:42 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:44:56 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:20 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v Alberth] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v Yexo] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 21:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 21:01:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 21:05:56 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:00 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1EC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:49 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 21:17:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:17:56 <Zuu> Btw, does the autoorders count up towards the maximum order count? I guess so, as they consume memory as well. 21:18:36 <Zuu> I remember there was an AI at the time when NoAI was a branch that solved the inverse travel salesman problem that got into trouble with the order list length. 21:20:24 <supermop> what is the inverse salesman problem? 21:20:45 <supermop> as much redundant travel as possible? 21:27:04 <Yexo> longest possible route that visits all stations once 21:27:10 <Yexo> as opposed to shortest possible route 21:27:26 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:30 <supermop> ah 21:33:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:37:57 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:45:20 <Terkhen> good night 21:56:45 * andythenorth seeks vehicles to carry recyclables cargo 21:56:55 <andythenorth> how do recyclables travel? :P 21:59:10 <supermop> usually bailed 21:59:24 <supermop> sometimes in dump trucks 22:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause> in containers? on euro-palettes? 22:00:32 <supermop> here glass would be deposited into dumpsters, which would then be dumped into a dump truck 22:00:47 * andythenorth wonders if pikka will allow them to travel in containers 22:00:53 <supermop> metal plastic and paper are compressed and bailed 22:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: this is not about the gathering process 22:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least that would be stupid to implement) 22:05:16 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:33 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:05:53 <andythenorth> anyone with a FIRS checkout could now test recyclables for themselves ;) 22:06:00 <andythenorth> industries available 1997 22:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what spoke against a "high tech" industry chain? 22:07:18 <andythenorth> lack of people speaking for it ;) 22:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> people don't know what's good for them :p 22:07:45 <andythenorth> how would it work? 22:07:50 <V453000> or you do not know what is good for people 22:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: something like sand->wafers->electronic parts (chips)->goods 22:09:17 <Mazur> Sounds interesting. 22:09:24 <andythenorth> is it low volume, high value cargo? 22:09:35 <andythenorth> kind of an equivalent to valuables? 22:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> low volume, high price, fast decay? 22:10:09 <Mazur> recyclables are generally high-volume low price. 22:10:24 <Mazur> no decay. 22:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> at least the chips should be delivered fast, the wafers probably less 22:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> wafers are difficult to manufacture, so the factory should be high input low output 22:11:10 <Mazur> Chips is low-volume high-price relatively fast price decay. 22:11:17 <andythenorth> I'm out of cargo space to put it in default FIRS 22:11:20 <V453000> I believe the main point of recyclables is adding something new, something very interesting in how it works, and something connected to towns. Making some sand/wafers/parts/goods is just one stupid chain that does nothing interesting at all. My opinion 22:11:45 <andythenorth> electronic parts could be valid 22:11:56 <andythenorth> as a high-value cargo to be shipped by plane 22:12:07 <V453000> there are goods for that already 22:12:34 <Mazur> V453000, I think a longer chain would encourage more diverse transport method usage, if only because there is only so much room for trains. 22:12:35 <andythenorth> the thing with recyclables is that it is (1) tied to town population (2) means a whole load of new challenges when things are getting boring 22:13:05 <V453000> you do not care if you deliver goods, call it electonic parts, call it alcohol, call it whatever, it just is the last product of the chain being delivered "whereever" ... nothing is produced from them anyway 22:13:46 <V453000> Mazur: one closed chain is just like coal->power plant but with 2 more stops in it 22:14:10 <confound> freight tied to town population would be interesting 22:14:20 <V453000> ^ 22:14:20 <andythenorth> I am open to other new suggestions 22:14:29 *** Ruudjah [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:32 <andythenorth> with most sets, I find things get boring from about 1990 22:14:41 <andythenorth> when all the good vehicles become available 22:14:50 <V453000> I think FIRS has enough already ;) do not overcombinate, and the recyclables will be absolutely amazing 22:14:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:55 <andythenorth> the industry set should address that with new chains 22:14:56 <confound> fwiw, I thought recyclables was boring at first and that electronics would be better, but V453000 has convinced me otherwise 22:15:16 <V453000> ^_^ 22:15:50 <confound> do nuclear power plants need any particular supplies that would be interesting? 22:15:50 * andythenorth tests recyclables some more 22:15:55 <andythenorth> confound: no 22:16:09 <andythenorth> often discussed 22:16:12 <Mazur> Victims? 22:16:15 <confound> figures 22:16:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 22:16:33 <confound> I suppose you could have a couple of different waste disposal chains 22:17:00 <confound> early on, towns could produce, uh, waste. which could be turned into farm supplies 22:17:20 <confound> recyclables later 22:17:24 <confound> industrial waste sometime 22:17:26 * confound handwaves 22:17:50 <andythenorth> the first attempt at waste in FIRS was....boring 22:18:03 <andythenorth> limited gameplay value 22:18:17 <andythenorth> hmm 22:18:26 <andythenorth> recyclables produces quite a lot of cargo in a large city 22:18:27 <andythenorth> this is fun 22:19:50 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:06 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:13 <devilsadvocate> confound: andythenorth: heavy water 22:22:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:13 <confound> it'd end up being single-purpose, unlike pretty much anything else 22:23:23 <confound> I guess recyclables are going to be like that too 22:25:44 <andythenorth> recyclables have one twist 22:26:03 <andythenorth> the recycling plant destination produces random output cargos 22:26:38 <andythenorth> good night 22:26:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has left #openttd [] 22:26:43 <confound> meh 22:29:13 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED27ED7.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:19 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED27ED7.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:51 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:41:36 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-130.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:46:00 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-110-152.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:14 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 22:55:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e01febd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:25 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: barcelona funky time!] 23:00:35 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086bee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:01:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:03:23 *** ar3k [~ident@ebl114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 23:08:15 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:10:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:57 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 23:18:15 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:05 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:37:06 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-139-233.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:33 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-139-233.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:03 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]