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00:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that won't ever change 00:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you will never be able to join a server that does not run the exact same version as you are 00:07:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:20 <z-MaTRiX> 2 perl instances hung while compiling openttd 1.1.3 00:14:29 <z-MaTRiX> at linking binary 00:15:17 <z-MaTRiX> Linux matrix.arpa 3.0.3-rt12 #12 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Sep 2 19:05:55 CEST 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux 00:17:15 <z-MaTRiX> ok then į reboot 00:20:00 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:31:31 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1c12:6b26:e96b:d6ec] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:46:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:53:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-107-208.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:35 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:03:45 *** Elukka [~Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:09:07 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:07 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 04:01:52 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:54 *** guru3_ [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:44:32 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73737.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:53:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:00:14 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 06:12:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:15:07 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027af076.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:41 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:19:27 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:48:55 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 06:49:10 <norbert79> Morning 06:54:36 * norbert79 is listening to Madeon - Pop Culture @ [320kbps] 06:56:44 <norbert79> eh 06:56:58 <norbert79> I thought I haven't got this autmatically enabled 06:58:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B695.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:07:56 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:40 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-179-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:03 <planetmaker> moin 07:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23mundaneneutrinoexplanations 07:30:10 <Terkhen> good morning 07:31:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 07:39:51 <appe> wÀÀ! 07:53:23 <norbert79> Gesundheit appe! Morning planetmaker, Eddi|zuHause, Terkhen 07:57:05 <appe> :) 07:57:12 <appe> how is the realm doing? 07:57:38 <appe> flourishing with potatoes and plague? 08:08:15 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 08:08:37 <Markk> Goedemorgen 08:09:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73737.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73737.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:48 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has left #openttd [] 08:23:30 <dihedral> morningses 08:25:33 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:31 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-161-133-146.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:39:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:15 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:13 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:23:07 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:28:10 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:40:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:45:26 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 09:51:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08fcd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:30 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:18:41 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-9-226-201.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:50 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:54 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:37 *** Elukka [~Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:46:34 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:18:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027af076.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:32:02 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-241-64-140.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:56:28 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:25 <Markk> Gutentag. 11:59:31 <Markk> With a space in between. 12:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Mr. Gutentag is a character in family guy 12:00:14 <Markk> Is "Zahltag" deprecated or is it still in use? 12:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's generally understood 12:00:38 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, a very nice old man. ;) 12:00:51 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: Mkay 12:01:00 <Markk> Is there a "newer" or a more modern word for it. 12:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> not that i know of 12:01:23 <Markk> Like, could you say: "Yay, Zahltag und Freitag!"? 12:04:39 <appe> halt! hammerzeit! 12:04:41 * appe dances 12:05:16 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:16 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:15 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Hah, just realized you watch the translated version of Family Guy... Well, the English is still funnier :) 12:12:39 <norbert79> Dho you lihke pohpschtickles? :) 12:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> norbert79: no, he's called that in the english version 12:12:45 <appe> http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR19.11E.html <- good reading. 12:13:07 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Which series? Can't recall the character, despite seen all... 12:13:13 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: I mean which episode 12:13:19 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: The puppetmaker? 12:13:30 <Markk> Yes 12:13:41 <Markk> The old nazi camp guard. 12:13:51 <norbert79> Markk: I that one. He didn't last long :) Loved the fight-scene :DD 12:13:57 <Markk> :D 12:14:28 <norbert79> Yet calling Falco a German, well, that was a tiny bit of an insult ;-) 12:14:46 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:10 <MNIM> to the germans, or falco? 12:16:21 <norbert79> For me, cause I love Falco 12:16:23 <norbert79> :) 12:16:27 <MNIM> ...ah 12:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> can't really call that german what he speaks in his songs :p 12:19:11 <norbert79> Falco - Der Komissar 12:19:17 <norbert79> Well 12:19:34 <norbert79> Chriss replies to his singing: Taht was the most German thing I have ever done 12:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know 12:20:06 <norbert79> And yes, he speaks the exact lines, but with a terrible fake German accent :) 12:22:02 <norbert79> ...like he wouldn't even try... I really find pity seeing movies, where a german character is played by one, who's look nor the talk gets even close to the real thing. Like Tom Cruise... :) 12:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> there are really worse things than that scene 12:23:49 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Let's not get Family Guy that serious. Besides, at least Germans are there to be seen, not many countries or people coming from specific countries are mentioned there anyway. 12:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there was another scene (not sure which episode) where they mention an excerpt of the Struwwelpeter :) 12:25:00 * norbert79 thinks through all 9 seasons... Please wait... 12:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "In der achten Staffel der US-amerikanischen Zeichentrickserie "Family Guy" (Folge: "Business Guy") wurde "Die Geschichte vom Daumenlutscher" in Form einer fÃŒr die Serie typischen Zwischensequenz parodiert" 12:26:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r22952 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Fix: properly limit the length of strings in a choice list 12:27:17 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Business_Guy/References 12:27:30 <norbert79> Indeed 12:27:38 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:44 <norbert79> I never could really understand Wikipedia's policy. The episode with the time-travel, where Steview and Brian go back in time to 1939.09.01, there is a reference to 99 Luftballon in the bunker scene. Now even though that was obvious for everyone who watched the show, and it got also included in the entry, it got removed all the time, because no other website was mentioning it, than wikia.com. Like if it would depend on it. 12:30:41 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:31:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4838:564a:915f:17ac] has joined #openttd 12:31:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:33:04 <Brianetta> norbert79: It's easy to understand Wikipedia's policy. Its just not easy to understand all the harebrained interpretations of it. 12:33:05 <appe> norbert79: jeez, i didn't know that! 12:34:00 <norbert79> appe: If sarcasm or not, http://familyguy.wikia.com/ has all the data, even those, which Wikipedia rejected. 12:34:38 <norbert79> Brianetta: I just simply gave up Wikipedia, almost trying avoiding it, there is still no good alternative to it. 12:35:29 <Brianetta> conservapedia (: 12:35:36 <Brianetta> PLEASE don't take that as a recommendation 12:35:48 <Brianetta> or, in fact, anything other than a bad joke 12:35:51 <norbert79> I had a hunch, that smiley might have a value :) 12:37:00 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-059-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 <Elukka> conservapedia is glorious 12:38:19 <Elukka> amazingly deluded and insane 12:39:45 <norbert79> Elukka: Unprecise too, just reading the entry on Hungary... Already found some incorrect points. 12:40:24 <norbert79> and it lacks a huge ammount of information 12:40:44 <Elukka> well their focus is on their fundamentalist religion 12:41:41 <Sacro> Morning Brianetta (: 12:45:31 <norbert79> Elukka: Oh my god, the Hungarian Army's logo is taken from a '5 second webpage' site, done by someone, and is about a fictious material, which has nothing to do with real life. Trustworthy site my ... 12:45:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:59 <norbert79> Elukka: http://conservapedia.com/Hungary#Defense - Huge, damn huge fail here 12:46:38 <Elukka> try reading the article on, say, evolution :D 12:46:48 <norbert79> Elukka: I can imagine... 12:46:58 <norbert79> Elukka: Let's read something about your country. 12:47:04 <norbert79> Elukka: I am curious 12:48:32 <norbert79> Elukka: Not suprised, limited as hell... 12:49:15 *** geheimdienst [~hk@p4FC94214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:50:21 <Elukka> their articles on things not related to their politics or religion are mostly just weak but not really terrible 12:51:15 <Elukka> also they call everything they dislike liberal 12:51:24 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:39 <norbert79> like mathematics? :) Becuase things related to History, their knowledge seems to be way below the elemntary school system. 12:51:39 <Elukka> evolution? liberal! geology? liberal as hell 12:51:43 <Elukka> healthcare? gosh darned liberal 12:52:09 <Elukka> well see the school system is liberal too so they don't go to school 12:52:11 <Elukka> (not even kidding) 12:52:28 <norbert79> *facepalm* Tell me please you are kidding... 12:52:36 <Elukka> they love homeschooling 12:52:55 <norbert79> Remarks me to the Duggert Family... Wait, let me show you: 12:53:14 <norbert79> Duggar 12:53:16 <norbert79> http://www.duggarfamily.com/ 12:53:46 <Elukka> ... 12:54:41 <norbert79> And their favorite: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/about/ 12:55:18 <norbert79> Lovely people prasising some non-existent things. Worse even, than Star Trek fans (..like me ;-) ) 12:56:44 <norbert79> Alright, let's stop this rant, everyone belives in whatever would like to, until it doesn't hurt anyone else's finance or beliefs 12:57:57 <norbert79> I think we are getting bit unfair, if we keep this up... 12:59:38 <Elukka> they can believe what they will but when they start trying to dictate social policy and the morality of others through their religion, we have a problem 13:00:02 <norbert79> Sure, but many "religious" groups do that too, and that should stop, I agree 13:00:27 <norbert79> "South Park" did a quite nice summary on the cons and pros on home-schooling. 13:03:15 <Elukka> for these people it's just a method of brainwashing their kids 13:03:26 <Elukka> making sure they don't even hear of anything else 13:04:07 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:05 <Belugas> hello 13:09:10 <peter1138> hi 13:10:31 <Belugas> hi you sir :) 13:27:48 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 13:35:12 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 13:50:13 *** orudge` [orudge@94-192-85-74.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:50:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 13:51:04 <dihedral> owen - feeling any better? 13:57:54 <orudge`> dihedral: in what way? In terms of my cold, a little 13:58:06 <dihedral> yes - that was what i meant :-) 13:58:40 *** orudge` [orudge@94-192-85-74.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 14:09:19 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:10:32 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:41 <Elukka> Pinkbeast: lighting improvements in ts2012 are quite significant, but performance for me is atrocious on high settings and antialiasing doesn't work 14:13:35 <Elukka> have you tried it yet? 14:16:43 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/ts2012.jpg 14:16:50 <Elukka> off tyne yard, certainly looks better than it used to 14:26:55 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 14:44:46 *** geheimdienst [~hk@193.174.105.66] has joined #openttd 14:45:24 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:00:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:10 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Exit stage left...] 15:26:40 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:29 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08fcd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 15:32:35 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:34:56 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:54 <Elukka> http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/ 15:38:58 <Elukka> sciencing about them neutrinos 15:43:26 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF35C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:42 <Rubidium> looks like a pretty boring after presentation discussion 15:45:49 <Elukka> i can't make any sense of it 15:48:30 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/OpenTTD-1.1.0-en.jpg 15:48:50 <Elukka> if this is the newer start screen, why am i still getting the old arctic one? 15:50:23 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:59:19 <Rubidium> you're not using the 1.1 branch (or any of its derivatives) 15:59:45 <fjb> Moin 16:00:25 <Rubidium> though... it makes me wonder, why does this experiment prove that neutrinos can go faster than light? 16:00:52 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:11 <Rubidium> wasn't space warped? Maybe the distance is (for whatever reason) shorter than they expect with the current model 16:01:59 <Rubidium> i.e. maybe it proves something resembling a wormhole 16:04:00 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:20 <Elukka> i don't see how that'd do anythign with wormholes 16:04:29 <Elukka> some unaccounted for or undiscovered relativistic effect could do it though 16:04:34 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:04:54 <Elukka> it doesn't really prove anything goes faster than light, that's just the media's take on thing 16:05:14 <Elukka> CERN is saying something more like "we dunno what's up with these results" and inviting other scientists to check them 16:05:40 <Rubidium> the neutrino enters wormhole and leaves it a couple of kilometers later in less time than it would if it were travelling at c 16:06:58 <Rubidium> so there's just a 20 km wormhole somewhere in that 730 km ;) 16:07:51 <__ln__> Rubidium: time to book your flights to Oslo 16:08:33 <Elukka> yeah i don't think wormholes are involved :P 16:08:56 <__ln__> correction: Stockholm, not Oslo 16:14:28 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they promise to create wormholes at CERN? :) 16:17:30 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:42 <Elukka> i don't think so 16:25:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B695.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a joke obviously. playing on all these world-end prophecies for when they switched on LHC 16:37:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:38:06 <__ln__> in any case better check http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ often 16:38:28 <Elukka> they have webcams too 16:38:29 <Elukka> http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html 16:38:35 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F672.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:45:50 *** geheimdienst [~hk@193.174.105.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:46:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:48:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:33 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:59 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-221.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:15:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:18:55 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-241-64-140.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:30 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F672.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:27:42 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-9-226-201.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 17:32:49 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.237.150] has joined #openttd 17:35:10 <Alberth> hi 17:36:55 <Wolf01> hello 17:37:35 <planetmaker> hm... neutrinos faster than light? 17:37:45 <planetmaker> hello Alberth, hello wolf 17:38:34 <Alberth> didn't you know? very useful for sending fast messages :) 17:39:45 <planetmaker> travelling at warp 1.000025 17:40:08 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:40:09 <planetmaker> but at 6sigma 17:40:53 <planetmaker> conclusion: we measured it. We took into account everything we know. And we're left with wtf?! 17:40:57 <peter1138> measurement error 17:41:01 <planetmaker> Please tell us where we did something wrong 17:41:05 <planetmaker> peter1138: over three years? 17:41:10 <Elukka> that's essentially what they're saying 17:41:20 <Elukka> the media on the other hand is going NEUTRINOS MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT!! 17:41:34 <planetmaker> that's what they write in their abstract 17:41:38 <planetmaker> and that's what they measure 17:41:40 <Elukka> there's the thing that we picked up neutrinos from this supernova in the 80's 17:41:48 <Elukka> if CERN's numbers were right they should have arrived 4 years earlier 17:41:48 <planetmaker> yes. 1987a 17:42:13 <planetmaker> hm... 4 years? 17:42:35 <Alberth> Elukka: just because some cars travel fast, it does not mean all cars are fast 17:42:52 <planetmaker> @calc 80000 * 1.000025 17:42:52 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 80002 17:42:57 <planetmaker> @calc 80000 * 0.000025 17:42:57 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2 17:43:02 <planetmaker> well. or 2 ;-) 17:43:26 <Alberth> but it is pretty interesting nonetheless :) 17:43:31 <planetmaker> if I remember the small magelanic cloud to be 80k LY distant from here 17:43:41 <Elukka> more like 160k 17:43:45 <Elukka> so more like 4 :P 17:43:51 <planetmaker> :-) 17:44:52 <Rubidium> see... a wormhole is a much better explanation 17:45:00 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:31 <planetmaker> hm... probably they also considered the different depth in the gravitational potential of Earth slowing down clocks differently 17:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22953 /trunk/src/lang/ (italian.txt latvian.txt): 17:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: latvian - 13 changes by Parastais 17:46:21 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:02 <fjb> Or they forgot to unload the fast_neutrino.grf. 17:47:41 <planetmaker> or the velocity of light is simply wrong ;-) 17:48:05 <planetmaker> though that'd be laughable... time can be measured up to 10**-15... 17:48:11 <Alberth> or the GPS was broken when measuring the distance :) 17:48:30 <planetmaker> :-D 17:48:42 <planetmaker> well, but they measure positions continuously 17:48:59 <planetmaker> they show a graph of the drift of their observation sites over the years. 17:49:10 <planetmaker> even with a jump attributed to the Aqulia earthquake 17:49:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:28 <Alberth> ie absurdly accurate :D 17:50:09 <planetmaker> cm to mm. Typical accuracy of differential GPS 17:50:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: how can the velocity of light be wrong? 17:50:34 <planetmaker> It can't. It's defined ;-) 17:51:03 <Rubidium> "The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1â299 792 458 of a second" 17:51:33 <planetmaker> yes, the meter is actually a derived unit from the speed of light 17:51:41 <planetmaker> and the time unit 17:53:03 <planetmaker> which makes sense. Nothing is more accurately measurable than time 17:53:32 <andythenorth> it's problematic to check though :P 17:53:41 <planetmaker> hm, no? 17:54:07 <planetmaker> all you need is a photo-detector and a log-in amplifier 17:54:07 <andythenorth> you don't know if the measuring rod changes length :P 17:54:20 <andythenorth> poincarre iirc 17:55:05 <planetmaker> ? 17:55:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc91.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:27 <planetmaker> Alberth: they think they got the baselength accurate to 20cm 18:02:27 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-9-226-201.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:13 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-143.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:12:08 *** Elukka [~Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:22 *** Elukka [~Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:17:07 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-221.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:03 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-90-42.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:23:52 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-143.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 18:37:43 <andythenorth> planetmaker: (iirc) it's perfectly plausible in relativity that the geometry causes the length of the measuring rod to vary 18:37:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:37:58 <andythenorth> my philosophy of physics is too hazy too explain it though :P 18:38:30 <Alberth> just don't travel that fast, it saves you from a lot of trouble :p 18:38:44 <andythenorth> draw a line on a balloon, then inflate the balloon a little is basically the best metaphor for it 18:39:00 <andythenorth> the line gets longer, but If you're on the surface, it's the same length 18:40:41 <andythenorth> http://www.natscience.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/physics/27152/DIVINE-ALBERT-POINCARE-NON-EUCLIDEAN-GEOMETRY 18:40:47 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but distances are not measured with a rod. But by travel time of light ;-) 18:40:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r22954 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Feature: [NewGRF] Allow Action4 to change text IDs 0x00D1 to 0x00E0 for feature 48. 18:41:18 <andythenorth> there's another thought experiment which proves you can't trust the speed of light to be invariant 18:41:25 <andythenorth> I forget the details :( 18:42:00 <planetmaker> Also... the length contraction is only apparent, not real. For the experiment in question all no relativistic relative velocities need to be considered. 18:42:16 <andythenorth> but which geometry is 'real'? 18:42:21 <andythenorth> real is a localised concept 18:42:25 <andythenorth> meh 18:42:47 <Alberth> andythenorth: you just get headaches from it :p 18:42:52 <andythenorth> I was never good at maths to really understand it, but I get the basics 18:42:53 <planetmaker> nah :-) The laws of physics are the same everywhere 18:43:00 <andythenorth> hmm 18:43:05 <andythenorth> that's contentious 18:43:13 <andythenorth> anyway, they are at least consistent in ttd :P 18:43:42 <andythenorth> although a 'gravitational anomaly' might be an amusing new disaster 18:44:04 <Rubidium> that's called a mine subsidence, isn't it? 18:44:22 <andythenorth> I was thinking of pulling trains back down slopes 18:45:13 <Alberth> negative gravity is disabled :) 18:45:28 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:47:37 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 18:48:18 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has quit [] 18:48:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:39 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 19:05:05 <__ln__> Wolf01: are you prepared for debris? 19:06:17 <Wolf01> I'm waiting with my arms towards the sky 19:07:14 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Do it right. http://www.reflected-loaf.co.uk/168.htm 19:07:34 <Wolf01> ahaha 19:07:37 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 19:14:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-57-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:15:52 <planetmaker> hm, debian has a nice "i now shut down" sound 19:17:33 <planetmaker> nice... and the update resulted in kernel panic :S 19:22:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6BADF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:18 <frosch123> faulty boot loader? 19:25:14 <planetmaker> hm... no. A cold restart made it now come up. Just the reboot requested after the update/grade failed. Strange 19:25:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22955 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix: guard from reading outside the silly name list 19:26:19 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:27:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r22956 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Codechange: Enhance TEXTID_TO_STRINGID() with an assert_compile(). 19:27:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22957 /trunk/src/ (company_cmd.cpp saveload/strings_sl.cpp strings_type.h): -Codechange: SPECSTR_PLAYERNAME is actually the company name, which is derived from the town name + ' Transport'. So make sure the last constant is in sync with the town name table 19:28:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B695.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:12 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:35:09 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:14 <Elukka> hokay. got a new cargodist binary, finally 19:36:27 <andythenorth> you europeans should insist on better canals in-game 19:36:36 <andythenorth> they're not nearly big enough :P 19:36:47 <Elukka> andythenorth: this is built against r22941, but FIRS refuses to run stating it needs r22780 or newer 19:36:51 <Elukka> any idea what's going on? 19:38:32 <planetmaker> you probably did not update it properly 19:38:43 <planetmaker> faking the revision won't do it 19:39:35 <planetmaker> it works with trunk after all :-) 19:39:58 <Terkhen> :) 19:40:43 <Elukka> update what? 19:41:15 <planetmaker> the source code? 19:41:21 <Elukka> err, i see 19:42:29 <planetmaker> newgrfs check the newgrf version 19:43:50 <Elukka> it certainly is r22941, patched with cargodist for the same 19:43:53 <Elukka> how would one update it properly? 19:45:28 <planetmaker> well. It works with trunk. So obviously the culprit is somewhere in your update procedure of that patch 19:45:37 <planetmaker> where there... hard to tell 19:48:13 <Rubidium> or compiling without a proper source repository 19:48:22 <Elukka> it's actually a friend compiling it who has way more experience with this sort of thing than i do, though he hasn't done openttd before 19:48:26 <planetmaker> oh, yes 19:48:31 <Elukka> would the game still run and work in that case? 19:48:56 <planetmaker> newgrf versions only get right automatically when compiled from a source repository. 19:49:20 <planetmaker> using the tar'ed source usually sucks. Especially in these cases 19:49:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22958 /trunk/src/saveload/ (company_sl.cpp town_sl.cpp): -Fix [FS#4778]: the savegame description and loading of savegames would crash with savegames from a patched stable (which didn't bump the savegame version) 19:49:52 <planetmaker> ok, so it's even 2nd hand info. Well. He should come here himself. 19:50:00 <planetmaker> 2nd hand too much info get lost 19:50:50 <planetmaker> but first he should use revision control software :-) 19:50:57 <Elukka> http://vcs.openttd.org/git/?p=openttd/trunk.git;a=commit;h=bc1fc20e9cafc0cb20511d5ca5ab560ec2ccf5d7 19:51:02 <Elukka> the source was from the snapshot link there 19:52:34 <planetmaker> he should use svn, hg or git 19:52:41 <planetmaker> Not the source download as tar ball 19:53:49 <Rubidium> planetmaker: actually, with the proper source tarball the right(ish) thing is done as well 19:54:03 <planetmaker> also newgrf version? 19:54:19 <planetmaker> now that you mentioned it, I recall having that issue (long) ago 19:54:28 <planetmaker> I guess I never since compiled an openttd tar ball 19:55:00 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's relatively recent 19:55:27 <planetmaker> ok, then my experience is outdated 19:55:50 <planetmaker> still I can't recommend to compile from tar balls ;-) 19:56:01 <Rubidium> that's definitely true 19:56:39 <Elukka> i see 19:56:40 <Elukka> thanks 20:00:29 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 20:06:54 <Elukka> http://www.sinet.ad.jp/case/kamioka/PH20-water-withboat-apr23.jpg 20:06:56 <Elukka> unrelatedly, a neutrino detector 20:07:03 <andythenorth> planetmaker: find the forest? what forest? 20:07:16 <andythenorth> :P 20:07:29 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 20:07:39 <planetmaker> trust me, it's in the middle of the screen 20:07:47 <SpComb> I like the smiley-faces down at the bottom 20:07:57 <andythenorth> ctrl-x for trees :P 20:08:09 <planetmaker> well. I attached that screen, too, didn't I? 20:08:10 * andythenorth usually has trees off, so hadn't noticed that issue before 20:08:34 <andythenorth> the tree bases is a nice idea, but might be a pita 20:08:52 <planetmaker> oh, FooBar did that for OpenGFX. It's not that difficult to achieve actually 20:09:09 <planetmaker> and it's a nice idea and looks quite good 20:09:22 <planetmaker> iirc TTD base set might do similar 20:09:48 <Elukka> happy little neutrino sensors 20:09:58 <SpComb> http://neutrino.fuw.edu.pl/ 20:11:07 <planetmaker> the most difficult thing probably is to draw the tree bases such that it looks good with different kind of trees :-) 20:11:25 <planetmaker> but it could just be black spots or so.... like for houses 20:11:46 <planetmaker> and... actually I thought of adding some wood trails to the forests, andy 20:11:56 <planetmaker> let me dig... 20:12:48 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-Kamiokande 20:16:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I wondered about a ground tile overlay 20:16:20 <andythenorth> fence it off :P 20:16:30 <planetmaker> :-D 20:16:31 <andythenorth> in the uk plantations are fenced 20:16:41 <andythenorth> less so in north america, scandanavia.. 20:16:43 <planetmaker> fences don't suit it IMHO. It's a forest. Not a plantation 20:16:46 <andythenorth> that would be a lot of fence 20:17:08 <andythenorth> draw a moose 20:17:52 <planetmaker> hm... I only find a screenshot of the dirt _road_, not the trail: http://imagebin.org/173768 20:20:02 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest11373 20:20:02 *** Guest11373 [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:20:04 <planetmaker> smaller, with sprites similar to this: http://imagebin.org/173769 20:21:02 <planetmaker> hm... I only find a screenshot of the dirt _road_, not the trail: http://imagebin.org/173768 <-- shouldn't you have seen that ;-) 20:21:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:37 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest11374 20:21:37 *** Guest11374 [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:07 <planetmaker> right... 20:22:48 <andythenorth> we shipped roadtypes? 20:22:50 <andythenorth> : 20:23:01 <planetmaker> :-) 20:23:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 20:23:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:42 <planetmaker> It's just something which I can draw ;-) 20:28:37 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest11376 20:28:38 *** Guest11376 [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:29 * andythenorth -> bed 20:29:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-157.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 20:31:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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