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00:03:14 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:10:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r23589 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_config.cpp ai/ai_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Codechange: Make the AI-start-delay setting translateable. 00:10:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23590 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make the string validation settings better expandable 00:11:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23591 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt french.txt serbian.txt): 00:11:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 00:11:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 00:11:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 00:11:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: serbian - 51 changes by etran 00:14:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:16:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-91-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:20:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:21:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-69-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:22:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23592 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r23590): forgot one case 00:34:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:09 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f10d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 00:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> odd time for a translators commit 00:44:18 <Yexo> CIA-6 is lagging 00:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 00:44:24 <__ln__> by several hours 00:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i figured :) 00:51:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 01:03:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:07:50 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:32 *** Zeknurn 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<__ln__> the great leader is dead 08:31:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:45:31 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-177-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:30 <planetmaker> And the magazine "Der Spiegel" got it wrong: showing a news woman from North Korea in black clothing with a text which hints that the black cloths she wears are an indication of grief... 09:00:50 <planetmaker> and sorrow... albeit white is the colour of sorrow and grief in Korea 09:17:56 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:27 <peter1138> planetmaker, did you not recognise those 32bpp sprites by their incorrect height? :) 09:19:17 <planetmaker> in the "wrong company colour" posting? 09:19:21 <planetmaker> not really 09:19:26 <peter1138> in Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX 09:19:34 <peter1138> oh yeah, company colour problem 09:20:01 <planetmaker> I don't know what he used, but trunk and normal OpenGFX, also with 32bpp-anim don't have that issue 09:20:12 <peter1138> install 32bpp-ez sprites 09:20:14 <peter1138> then you'll see it 09:20:15 <peter1138> :) 09:20:35 <planetmaker> meh... 09:20:38 <peter1138> with trunk & normal opengfx 09:20:52 <peter1138> it highlights the need for a coherent 32bpp pack 09:21:04 <planetmaker> wait, I install the EZ sprites and that has an impact on trunk even if they're not used? 09:21:21 <peter1138> it contains normal zoom sprites too... 09:21:25 <planetmaker> ah, ok 09:21:41 <planetmaker> obviously very broken as they're tailored for a patch which is also broken 09:21:46 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:50 <peter1138> i don't know how that recolour algorithm affects old-style 8bpp recolouring 09:23:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-111-233.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 09:24:28 <planetmaker> Dunno... but it's a bad idea nevertheless, if it affects it 09:24:49 <peter1138> hmm? 09:25:11 <peter1138> that's what i mean, i don't know if it does. if it does, i'm not touching it :) 09:25:24 <planetmaker> exactly :-) 09:26:16 <peter1138> i could mutilate the mask image to provide more information 09:26:37 <peter1138> would be harder to make the mask image though :( 09:27:11 <peter1138> r = palette index (hue/bri/sat), g = brightness mod, b = saturation mod 09:27:29 <peter1138> hmm 09:27:47 <peter1138> actually that wouldn't work because the rgbam format wouldn't be enough 09:29:03 <peter1138> you could store that information in the normal rgb part, however that's used for pre-caching the rgb value when drawing non-recoloured sprites, i.e. the majority of cases 09:30:15 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:31:31 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:31:36 <planetmaker> I posted a hint that they might review all their CC in the 32bpp sprites 09:37:44 *** 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But I'm not interested in compatibility with the EZ patch 09:51:44 <planetmaker> Especially if the EZ patch breaks sprite display in trunk 10:07:10 * dihedral greebles peter1138 10:16:55 * peter1138 nurnies dihedral 10:22:11 *** nunatak [~nunatak@xdsl-84-44-140-218.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 10:32:00 <peter1138> hmm, do fences normally draw ontop of signals? 10:33:03 <peter1138> yes they do :S 10:33:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 10:55:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 11:00:07 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 11:05:44 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:18:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:33 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:31:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:32:07 <peter1138> hmm 11:32:16 <peter1138> i have an original starwars action figure here 11:32:18 <peter1138> i wonder why 11:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> 'cause you're a fanboy 11:35:12 *** Getrix [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #openttd 11:35:55 <fjb|tab> As long as he is not Dark Helmet... 11:36:49 <peter1138> it's Niem Numb 11:36:52 <peter1138> i had to look that up 11:38:36 *** Toshiba [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. sure. i'd have said that, too. :p 11:59:38 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-219-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:58 *** nunatak [~nunatak@xdsl-84-44-140-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:09:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-91-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:26 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:35 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:52 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest20840 12:27:54 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:38 *** Guest20840 [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:39:31 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 12:40:06 *** AD is now known as Guest20856 12:42:26 *** Hawson_ [~hawson@174-143-252-250.slicehost.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:39 *** Rubidium_ [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:20 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: Lachie, Hawson, Guest20661, Rubidium, welshdragon 12:44:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:45:36 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20882 12:45:37 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: welshdragon, Lachie 12:45:46 *** Guest20882 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 12:52:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:35 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20885 12:57:36 *** Guest20885 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:36 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:46 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-192.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:35 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-192.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 13:01:13 <andythenorth> hello 13:01:23 <Alberth> hi hi 13:01:55 * andythenorth is playing a game where most vehicles move at 15mph, or 40mph 13:02:08 <andythenorth> the 70mph train looks insanely fast by comparison 13:02:22 <appe> :) 13:02:25 <appe> that's how it should be 13:02:32 <appe> games with way to fast trains quickly become boring 13:02:53 <andythenorth> also the FIRS milk chain is flawed 13:05:41 *** LordPixaII is now known as Pixa 13:06:54 <planetmaker> it doesn't grew sour? ;-) 13:07:14 <andythenorth> there's nowhere to take it before 1892 13:07:21 <Alberth> Phew, east and west are at the right place :p 13:07:22 <planetmaker> hm :S 13:07:24 <andythenorth> and only after that if a Dairy happens to get built 13:07:31 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20887 13:07:32 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:44 <planetmaker> so it should go directly to shops... 13:07:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a4ac:1d9c:951a:8a3d] has joined #openttd 13:07:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:08:03 <planetmaker> screw industry view and use acceptance callback :P 13:08:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: tile acceptance....? 13:08:27 <andythenorth> tiles offer quite some flexibility....? 13:08:40 <planetmaker> I'd need to re-visit the details there 13:08:43 <andythenorth> this wouldn't be processed, it would be a black hole so... 13:09:04 <planetmaker> ah 13:09:13 <planetmaker> well. 13:09:19 <planetmaker> would work 13:09:24 <planetmaker> but... doesn't pay 13:09:57 <planetmaker> And I doubt that people in 1800 took their milk to a nearby town and then used it to clean the market place 13:10:45 *** Guest20887 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:44 <andythenorth> hmm 13:11:56 * andythenorth has been awake a lot and is short of solutions 13:12:16 <andythenorth> maybe just introduce dairies earlier 13:16:31 <planetmaker> if you internet connect times are true and not just your machine you didn't sleep much ;-) 13:16:48 <planetmaker> s/internet/irc/ ;-) 13:17:10 <andythenorth> it's about accurate I'd say 13:17:49 <planetmaker> though... I didn't either. I had to finish building the Imperial Shuttle jointly with a friend of mine: http://shop.lego.com/de-DE/Imperial-Shuttle-10212 13:18:08 <planetmaker> took us from 11pm to about 3am 13:18:42 <planetmaker> well. 10pm actually 13:20:07 <andythenorth> :o 13:20:12 <andythenorth> that's insanely expensive Lego 13:20:19 <andythenorth> even allowing for the state of the Euro 13:21:04 <planetmaker> he bought it 2nd hand. 13:21:16 <planetmaker> but yes, it is 13:21:34 <andythenorth> this is the most expensive Lego I ever bought http://shop.lego.com/de-DE/Mercedes-Benz-Unimog-U-400-8110 13:21:56 <planetmaker> it was not that expensive. iirc ~150⬠or so 13:22:31 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20889 13:22:32 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:40 <planetmaker> next probject will be either the DeathStar2 or the SuperStarDestroyer ;-) 13:22:55 *** Guest20889 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:53 <planetmaker> but... the DeathStar is really expensive.... http://www.yatego.com/aldiho-de/p,4d810b6deb9e5,4d6bb16431bd38_9,lego-star-wars-10143-todesstern-ii--neu 13:24:32 <Alberth> andythenorth: star wars fans are old enough and crazy enough to put up that much money :p 13:24:35 <planetmaker> but it's another 1k parts more ;-) 13:25:52 <planetmaker> well, it's cool. You have a crank to lower or rise the wings even ;-) 13:25:54 <Noldo> must be somewhat boring to build 13:26:17 <planetmaker> not really 13:27:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:27:34 <andythenorth> the DeathStar looks *awesome* 13:27:35 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20890 13:27:36 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:48 *** Guest20890 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:38 <peter1138> hi 13:32:50 <andythenorth> hola 13:33:12 <peter1138> have you finished it yet? 13:33:39 <andythenorth> yes 13:33:42 <andythenorth> it's done 13:33:43 <peter1138> awesome 13:33:55 <andythenorth> it is pretty good 13:34:00 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20891 13:34:01 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:01 <peter1138> good o 13:34:55 <peter1138> hmm 13:35:11 <andythenorth> you found a way to make it better? 13:35:17 <peter1138> yes i have 13:35:40 *** Guest20891 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:41 <andythenorth> distribute cargo to industries on a round-robin basis? 13:35:44 <andythenorth> rather than nearest? 13:35:52 <andythenorth> allowing one station to serve two industries? 13:36:11 <peter1138> no, no, i built a line to barborough 13:42:14 <andythenorth> hmm 13:42:17 <andythenorth> FISH doesn't auto-refit 13:42:21 <andythenorth> this is probably incorrect 13:44:10 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:14 <planetmaker> I'd probably allow three or four ship types: pax, piece, bulk and liquid. 13:46:21 <planetmaker> autorefit for everything within that category 13:46:38 <planetmaker> s/types/refit 'classes'/g 13:47:07 <andythenorth> I'll probably treat piece / bulk same for ships 13:47:14 <peter1138> ships need to support multiple cargo types 13:49:05 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20893 13:49:06 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:14 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:41 *** Guest20893 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:21 <andythenorth> peter1138: multiple in one ship? 13:50:47 <andythenorth> I mean...they already do support multiple types 13:50:49 <peter1138> yeah 13:50:50 <andythenorth> but using XOR :P 13:50:53 <peter1138> obviously :p 13:51:05 <andythenorth> n or 2 types? 13:51:08 <andythenorth> 2 appeals to me 13:51:17 <peter1138> n 13:51:19 <andythenorth> meh 13:51:24 <peter1138> 32 i guess :p 13:51:25 <andythenorth> where's the constraint? 13:51:30 <andythenorth> constraints = good 13:51:48 <andythenorth> number of holds? 13:51:51 <andythenorth> might be interesting 13:52:18 <andythenorth> newgrf specified amount per ship, up to 32? 13:52:51 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/rgbam.png 13:52:59 <peter1138> ^ 32bpp recolouring :S 13:53:34 <andythenorth> hmm 13:53:41 <andythenorth> something appears to be eating my orders 13:53:45 <andythenorth> they're changing 13:53:53 <peter1138> ^ obvious where it switches to 8bpp 13:54:43 <peter1138> refit ship holds? hmm 13:54:47 <peter1138> articulated ships... 13:55:54 <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles 13:55:58 <andythenorth> mornington crescent :P 13:56:16 <planetmaker> what's wrong with that re-colouring, peter1138? The dizzering in the CC colours (e.g. of the building)? 13:56:58 <peter1138> dithering 13:57:19 <peter1138> the 32bpp artists don't like it, and i can understand 13:57:38 <andythenorth> they should fix their lighting before they complain to others :P 13:57:46 <peter1138> well yes 13:57:55 <peter1138> i don't think they're complaining 13:58:58 <planetmaker> Arguably it doesn't look great. Indeed 14:03:05 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/scale.png 14:03:06 <peter1138> lol 14:03:27 <peter1138> i should post that in the thread :) 14:03:37 <appe> haha 14:04:05 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 14:05:16 <andythenorth> it's nice 14:05:37 <andythenorth> hmm 14:05:44 <andythenorth> FIRS station algorithm is way too generous 14:05:50 <andythenorth> how to fix it? 14:06:08 <glx> some offsets look wrong 14:06:31 <peter1138> not just offsets :) 14:07:27 <planetmaker> it's a good screenshot which teaches a lot :-) 14:07:31 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20896 14:07:32 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:33 <Belugas> Hello 14:07:34 *** Guest20896 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:59 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 14:08:13 <andythenorth> can I demolish lighthouses? 14:13:05 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=986097#p986097 14:13:10 <peter1138> (using original graphics, not opengfx) 14:13:25 <peter1138> one could argue that the original graphics are too low, heh 14:13:48 *** Getrix [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [] 14:14:06 <peter1138> possibly opengfx changes that, but i can't see because of the fence, heh 14:18:07 <andythenorth> hmm 14:18:12 <andythenorth> trains are all well and good 14:18:31 <andythenorth> but you can transport a lot more cargo per route-tile with ships :P 14:18:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23593 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp road_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r23411): Infrastructure counts for rail were not properly updated when converting rail or building level crossings. 14:21:26 <peter1138> andythenorth, i've not seen any 32bpp-ez ships 14:21:28 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:31 <peter1138> i've seen some screenshots with 32bpp-ez aircraft, but i've not got any with the mega 14:22:35 <peter1138> pack 14:35:48 <andythenorth> is there any known bug with vehicles losing orders right now 14:35:52 <andythenorth> tip trunk 14:35:59 <andythenorth> possibly whilst being ctrl-cloned 14:36:18 *** nirox [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #openttd 14:38:48 <Eddi|zuHause> articulated trucks? 14:39:30 <andythenorth> ships 14:39:38 <andythenorth> possibly trams and trains 14:39:44 <andythenorth> haven't tried to prove it wasn't user error 14:40:29 <andythenorth> also 14:40:32 <andythenorth> canal tunnels? 14:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> unlikely 14:46:23 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20899 14:46:24 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:43 *** Guest20899 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-177-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 14:47:55 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-177-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:43 <andythenorth> the problem with starting FIRS early is that you then have to fund the later industries yourself :( 14:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> don't they have random chance of appearing? 14:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should close the least used industry every X months 14:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> to have more room for industry appearance 14:50:23 <andythenorth> not possible 14:50:26 <andythenorth> with newgrf 14:52:31 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20900 14:52:32 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you have a per-grf-storage? 14:54:10 *** Guest20900 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:37 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20901 14:57:38 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:49 *** Guest20901 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:15 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:27 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: one of the problems is that at the start of the game all industries are unused, ie all are the least used one 14:58:58 <andythenorth> no per-grf storage either 14:59:33 <Yexo> don't towns have per-grf storage? 15:00:55 <andythenorth> possibly 15:01:07 <andythenorth> I didn't keep up with how much town stuff is in trunk yet 15:01:09 <peter1138> hmm, oil wells three tiles from a refinery 15:01:32 <peter1138> i could build one stop and send the vehicle in a loop... 15:01:40 <andythenorth> pipeline 15:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't work with one station 15:02:05 <andythenorth> I don't buy the "it's a transport game - no pipelines" argument 15:02:20 <andythenorth> it's got at least one problem, that argument :P 15:02:21 <peter1138> teleporters 15:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, develop a system which is not a "set up once, infinite moneymaker" 15:03:01 <peter1138> £15 per journey :p 15:03:08 <andythenorth> what - pipelines have infinite capacity? 15:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: and have it include ski lifts, etc. 15:03:14 <andythenorth> and don't need pumping stations? 15:03:18 <andythenorth> and don't have run costs? 15:03:27 <andythenorth> and can pump at an infinite rate per unit time? 15:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: "infinite" i mean time-wise 15:03:53 <andythenorth> unlike ships? 15:04:01 <peter1138> i don't think the model fits ttd 15:04:55 * andythenorth thinks egrvts - wonderful set - but far too many vehicles 15:05:20 <andythenorth> Yexo: could we adjust FIRS station rating algo? 15:05:27 <Yexo> sure 15:05:43 <Yexo> just give me a precise definition of what you want and I'll code it 15:05:59 * andythenorth reads current code 15:06:22 <andythenorth> probably better to specify result, not implementation? 15:07:14 <andythenorth> what I actually want is to drop the rating where stations have > 1,000t waiting 15:07:21 <andythenorth> however that needs a bit more thought 15:07:38 <planetmaker> sounds like default, andythenorth ;-) 15:07:44 <andythenorth> indeed 15:08:03 <planetmaker> actually "waiting cargo" is imho not a good measure. Rather waiting cargo / turn-over-amount per month 15:08:34 <andythenorth> yes 15:08:51 <andythenorth> we did solve it once before I think, conceptually 15:09:18 <Yexo> turn-over-amount per month <- not sure that is available 15:11:31 <andythenorth> are we doing it with cb145? 15:11:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:11:33 <andythenorth> I can't find the code 15:12:05 <planetmaker> Yexo: I think it is not available 15:12:21 <Yexo> andythenorth: code is in cargo_graphics.pnml 15:12:23 <planetmaker> might be feasible, if stations have persistent storage 15:13:05 <Yexo> might be better to let openttd keep track of it, and just provide a new var for it 15:13:30 <andythenorth> are we ok with the idea that there's no perfect answer to this? 15:13:40 <andythenorth> as I'm proposing to balance it closest to the sets I use 15:13:45 <andythenorth> and the typical capacity of trains I run :P 15:14:30 <Yexo> it depends more on your playstyle and on the actual sets you use 15:14:58 <andythenorth> I can tweak values locally and test 15:15:12 <andythenorth> I want to sink the rating faster for > 1,000t waiting 15:15:34 <Yexo> you can't change how fast the rating changes 15:15:46 <Yexo> you can only set the desired rating for > 1000t waiting 15:15:48 <andythenorth> faster / greater penalty /s 15:16:01 <andythenorth> poor english on my part :P 15:17:13 <andythenorth> the current algorithm is really fun, but I can't clear some stations 15:17:19 <andythenorth> actually there are two issues 15:17:42 <andythenorth> 1) accidentally delivering to a station will result in cargo that takes forever to die 15:17:54 <andythenorth> that's a minor point 15:17:57 <planetmaker> personally I'm not even sure it's a good idea to mess with station ratings too much 15:18:10 <planetmaker> It's a non-obvious thing to the players and cause suprises 15:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: 1) can be solved if you give a timeout like 3 months 15:18:34 <andythenorth> 2) I'm getting 'good' ratings even where there are obscene amounts of cargo waiting (due to frequent pickup) 15:18:59 <Yexo> andythenorth: but the new rating was designed to give somewhat higher ratings than the default rating 15:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> or even 6 months 15:19:22 <andythenorth> Yexo: I'm hoping it's just a matter of tweaking 15:19:32 <andythenorth> I don't really understand the spec enough for this 15:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and then _drastically_ dropping the rating 15:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the throughput per month idea is a feature request on openttd's side 15:21:04 <andythenorth> there's *no* way to get the age of the cargo *on* the station is there? 15:22:18 <andythenorth> var 63? 15:22:53 <andythenorth> hmm 15:22:54 <andythenorth> not 15:24:58 <Yexo> indeed, no way to get that information 15:27:02 * andythenorth misses how often cb145 runs? 15:28:39 <Yexo> every time the staion rating is recalculated, I think every 2,5 days 15:29:39 <V453000> andythenorth: when can we expect a new release of FIRS? :) 15:30:19 <andythenorth> Yexo: I think all I need to do is increase penalty for large amounts of waiting cargo 15:30:53 <andythenorth> V453000: unkown 15:31:49 <V453000> I was just wondering about the toyland compatibility, in r2654 it loads in toyland, but 0.6.4 doesnt 15:36:49 *** ahas [~a@78-61-117-10.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 15:37:18 *** ahas [~a@78-61-117-10.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: cargo doesn't age at stations 15:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> simple amount of cargo is unsuitible for large transfer stations 15:51:59 <andythenorth> hmm 15:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. a high-producing factory, or the city's main station 15:52:23 <andythenorth> if you can figure it out...let me know :) 15:52:26 <andythenorth> I'm open to suggestions 15:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, imho planetmaker had the right idea there 15:52:41 <andythenorth> has anyone else tried the modified FIRS algorithm? 15:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "just" needs implementation 15:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't looked at it, but it can't be more than 20loc 15:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that is, modifying the existing off-map station statistic storage, adding saveload code, and adding newgrf-export code 15:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> where the latter needs some consideration whether to stuff it into "extra callback info" or provide some new variable 15:56:36 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@94.172.122.11] has joined #openttd 15:57:53 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:58:26 <swissfan91> Is it possible to have town buildings on sloped tiles? Or do they always just take foundations to be a flat tile? 15:58:50 <Yexo> you can disable foundations for them 16:00:12 <swissfan91> per house? Or just disable foundations for the whole set? 16:00:28 <Yexo> per house 16:00:42 <Yexo> and even more precise than that if you want to, it's a callback 16:01:52 <swissfan91> more precise? how so? 16:02:32 <Yexo> in 1930 no foundations, from 1940 on it has foundations except when it's very close to the city center <- something like that if you wanted to 16:03:10 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:35 <swissfan91> but surely if I have drawn the house on a flat tile, it must have foundations? 16:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the game doesn't know how you've drawn it 16:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll happily draw whatever sprite you give it. 16:04:20 <Yexo> if it must have foundations make sure to write your newgrf in a way that tells openttd that your house needs foundations 16:04:53 <swissfan91> I see, ok. 16:15:04 <peter1138> <Invoice><Invoice_No>xxx</Invoice_No><Customer_No>yyy</Customer_No>No Match</Invoice> 16:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> IKS EMM ELL! 16:15:27 <peter1138> ^ using .net's xml stuff, how do i get "No Match" out of that? :S 16:15:33 <peter1138> regexes don't count 16:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> invoice.text=="no match"? 16:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> something along those lines, i guess... 16:17:01 <peter1138> no, that returns "xxxyyyNo Match" 16:17:50 <SpComb> go punch the person who wrote it 16:18:00 <peter1138> that was my immediate reaction 16:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there must be some way to strip all sub-elements 16:19:00 <andythenorth> for i in Invoice, if I is not childnode? 16:19:08 <andythenorth> return i 16:22:15 <peter1138> #text 16:35:11 <TrueBrain> lol @ XML, funny people ... :) 16:47:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:49:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f740c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:36 <frosch123> wow... my webmail provider offers me to increase the storage space from 12MB to 500MB... i just have to install some software 17:04:52 <peter1138> erm... right 17:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "no. that is no rootkit. that is... diagnosis software!!" 17:06:52 <frosch123> there is a bug in today's xkcd 17:07:37 <peter1138> yeah, "gray" 17:08:18 <Prof_Frink> Also, what's wrong with just BODMAS? 17:08:50 <appe> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S0x8DeRN_mc/Tu9liSUZIZI/AAAAAAAABMg/N33gcsCBc-4/s1280/CharlesJSykes.jpg 17:08:50 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:09:15 <peter1138> BODMAS? 17:09:27 <peter1138> ah 17:09:30 <Prof_Frink> First one. 17:09:53 <peter1138> americans don't like to call them brackets, i think 17:10:10 <Prof_Frink> Of course, you do have to say brackets and square brackets, not parenthetheesesetheses. 17:14:06 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:18:40 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-054-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 17:19:50 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 17:20:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 17:21:52 <appe> a parenthesis is a "(", even in america? 17:25:42 <Alberth> after december 21, who knows? it looks like an attempt to pirate the "(" letter to me :p 17:28:41 <Prof_Frink> Arr. 17:29:01 <frosch123> sopa is postponed 17:29:07 <frosch123> they will try again on valentines day 17:29:32 <frosch123> they must find some day when noone is looking 17:35:48 <fjb|tab> frosch123: I got that strange offer from eeb.de too. 17:35:56 <fjb|tab> Web.de 17:36:47 <frosch123> call the hotline and ask why you cannot execute the binary? 17:36:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23594 /trunk/src/ (industrytype.h vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: follow coding style with multi line comments 17:37:56 <fjb|tab> Did you see what they are charging? I was wondering if that was s fske mail. 17:38:48 <frosch123> their "mailcheck" tool is some stupid browser plugin which displays their ugly emoticons depending on if you have mail or not 17:38:56 <frosch123> the other features are undocumented 17:40:54 <fjb|tab> And why should I install that? I'm using a proper email client any way. 17:41:07 <frosch123> so am i :) 17:43:04 <fjb|tab> Very strange... 17:44:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23595 /trunk/src/ (42 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: add comma after last enum to get a more uniform coding style 17:44:39 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46.163.224.65] has quit [Quit: kök kök] 17:45:23 <peter1138> the lure of emoticons appears to work for lots of people :( 17:46:00 <appe> what do you mean? 17:46:05 <frosch123> well, there are normal emoticons, and there are damn-ugly ones 17:46:33 <Alberth> sure, you'd be surprised how much stuff people are prepared to do just to get something 'free' 17:57:25 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:27 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:50 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:50 *** guru3_ [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:15 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:53 <swissfan91> has anyone tried using the DACH train set? 18:14:52 <V453000> o/ 18:16:08 <swissfan91> I am having a real issue with the SBB 'lok2000' and push/pull - a bug to do with this loco is named in the readme, I was wondering if anyone else had any trouble? 18:26:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:26:39 <Terkhen> hello 18:27:28 <swissfan91> hello Terkhen 18:33:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:33:34 <Wolf01> o/ 18:35:21 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 18:38:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:42:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23596 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:42:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:42:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by Wowanxm 18:42:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne 18:42:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:42:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:42:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 18:44:32 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:51:47 <Wolf01> it's impressive how the number of visitors of my site is raised from 4/w to 24/w 18:52:36 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:37 <TrueBrain> 4 per window? 18:54:45 <TrueBrain> 4 per whale? 18:54:48 <Wolf01> wombat 18:54:53 <TrueBrain> 4 per ... hmm .. I can't make anything out of the w :P 18:55:08 <TrueBrain> the animal? 18:55:11 <Zuu> world? 18:55:42 <Wolf01> 24/world may me really correct 18:55:47 <Wolf01> *be 18:56:03 <TrueBrain> still no clue how that related to number of visitors, but meh :) 18:56:17 <fjb|tab> 24/Wolf01 18:56:47 <Rubidium> so it's 48/f ;) 18:58:16 <Wolf01> f? 18:58:47 <Rubidium> oh come on... you don't know furlong per fortight? 18:59:25 <Wolf01> ahah 19:01:18 <Wolf01> I remember I heared furlong once in a horse race 19:16:48 <peter1138> heard :D 19:17:21 <Belugas> 48f, f48... that's quite closed 19:17:44 <appe> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1124586_460s.jpg 19:19:10 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 19:20:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc80b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.167.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:31 <Wolf01> appe +1 19:33:02 <Wolf01> thank you peter1138, I have always problems with R and E keys :P 19:44:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:49:56 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:55:19 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:32 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@kamina.ldn1.uk.e43.eu] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:57:17 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@kamina.ldn1.uk.e43.eu] has joined #openttd 20:22:47 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20923 20:22:48 *** fjb|tab [~frank@pD9EA63D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:26 *** Guest20923 [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:12 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc80b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23597 /trunk/src/script/ (3 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: fix up squirrel export script a bit 20:40:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23598 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix: harden FormatString against abuse 20:40:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23599 /trunk/src/window_type.h: -Codechange: document WC_ entries, and reoder a bit 20:42:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23600 /trunk/src/ (55 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: link WC+number to a Widget, and the Widget to a Window class 20:45:38 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:46:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23601 /trunk/src/ (19 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: fix the conflict in window number 20:46:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23602 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h company_type.h): -Add: support for DEITY commands, commands where no real company was involved in (Rubidium) 20:46:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23603 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: support for control commands in strings, in both network and safe/load (Rubidium) 20:46:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23604 /trunk/ (35 files in 8 dirs): -Add: initial support for GameScripts 20:50:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23605 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Add: GAME_DIR and CONTENT_TYPE_GAME, and read gamescript from that directory 20:50:37 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:51:33 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:51:51 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23606 /trunk/ (18 files in 4 dirs): -Add: GameScanner, to auto-detect game scripts, and wire it in the console 20:52:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23607 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Add: wire GameScript in all the GUIs 20:52:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23608 /trunk/src/lang/ (54 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: remove now unused strings from all other languages too 20:52:37 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23609 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): -Add: save/load all GameScript related material 20:52:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23610 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Add: Doxygen files for NoGo API (Yexo) 20:52:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23611 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Add: run the begin of the script already while generating, and don't sleep on DoCommand while doing so 20:52:54 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23612 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 6 dirs): -Add: allow importing libraries in the same way as AI does, only with GS prefix (and in game/library) 20:53:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23613 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add: allow IsDeveloperOnly in info.nut, to indicate if you can select this GS via the GUI (optional, defaults to false) 20:53:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23614 /trunk/src/ (41 files in 3 dirs): -Add: more API functions exposed to NoGo (part 1) 20:53:26 <Zuu> :-) 20:53:30 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23615 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 4 dirs): -Add: more API functions exposed to NoGo (part 2) 20:53:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23616 /trunk/src/script/api/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Add: ScriptGameSettings::SetValue, to set gamesettings (GameScript only) 20:53:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23617 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::ExpandTown, to grow a town (GameScript only) 20:54:12 <Zuu> My RSS reader is going to overflow :-) 20:54:55 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23618 /trunk/ (14 files in 9 dirs): -Add: ScriptGame::Pause, ScriptGame::Unpause, and ScriptGame::GetLandscape (GameScript only) 20:55:07 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23619 /trunk/src/script/api/ (game/game_date.hpp.sq script_date.cpp script_date.hpp): -Add: ScriptDate::GetSystemTime, to get the seconds since 1 Jan 1970 of the real system (GameScript only) 20:55:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23620 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::SetCargoGoal and ScriptTown::SetGrowthRate (GameScript only) 20:55:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23621 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): -Add: allow manipulation of signs via GameScripts 20:55:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23622 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 4 dirs): -Add: a set of events to trigger in a GameScript 20:56:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23623 /trunk/ (27 files in 10 dirs): -Add: allow bi-directional communication with the AdminPort and GameScript 20:56:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23624 /trunk/src/script/api/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Add: ScriptVehicle/ScriptStation/ScriptSign::GetOwner, to get the owner of those objects (GameScript only) 20:56:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23625 /trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs): -Add: ScriptViewport::ScrollTo, for SinglePlayer only (GameScript only) 20:56:51 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23626 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::SetText, which adds custom text to the Town GUI 20:57:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23627 /trunk/ (14 files in 8 dirs): -Add: ScriptNews::Create, to create custom news messages (GameScript only) 20:57:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23628 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptSubsidy::Create, to create subsidies 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given a CompanyMode is active in that scope 21:01:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23634 /trunk/ (13 files in 6 dirs): -Add: support language files for GameScript (Rubidium) 21:01:46 <Zuu> andythenorth: Welcome to the commit spere :-) 21:01:55 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23635 /trunk/ (13 files in 8 dirs): -Add: introduce GSText, to allow translating GameScript text, even over network 21:02:03 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23636 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 6 dirs): -Add: introduce ScriptText in parameters where it can be used 21:02:06 <Wolf01> zuu, combobreaker :P 21:02:07 <andythenorth> nice to be here 21:02:37 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23637 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Change: bump the savegame, to store all the new goodies 21:02:57 <Wolf01> 15MB more for each save 21:03:05 * TrueBrain breaths 21:03:44 <TrueBrain> @calc 23637 - 23597 21:03:44 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 40 21:04:39 <Zuu> Did you write all those commit messages by hand or were they simply copied from hg? 21:05:28 <TrueBrain> hg patch <patch> 21:05:29 <TrueBrain> hg push 21:05:31 <TrueBrain> :) 21:06:07 <Zuu> So hg can push to svn. That I didn't know 21:06:16 <TrueBrain> with an extension, it can 21:06:21 <TrueBrain> works rather well, as you can see :P 21:06:25 *** Karth [~chrisstap@c-24-131-40-183.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:09 <Karth> Hey, don't suppose I could get some help getting Openttd 1.1.4 going on Debian? it starts fine, but the graphics are rather garbled. It works fine on the same pc in windows. 21:08:29 <frosch123> depends what you consider "garbled" 21:08:56 <frosch123> wrong colours? completely wrong graphics? 21:08:57 <Karth> sprites covering each other up, all purple, and the menus near unnavigatable 21:09:14 <frosch123> start with -b 32bpp-optimized 21:09:28 <Karth> aighty, 1 minute 21:09:36 <TrueBrain> not 32bpp-anim frosch123? :) 21:09:40 <frosch123> if that works, put "blitter = 32bpp-optimized" into ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg 21:09:51 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08392d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:23 <Karth> ah very nice, that works 21:10:40 <frosch123> Karth: your video driver does not support 8bpp modes then :) 21:11:11 <Karth> my video card is from 1998, so thats kinda wierd 21:11:17 <Karth> ah well 21:11:47 <frosch123> oh, time to run my updateall script 21:12:01 <frosch123> on how many comflicts will it stop? 21:12:01 <TrueBrain> Zuu: in case you missed it, I made WC_ values (WindowClass) + WindowNumber unique, and pointing to a single widget enum 21:12:12 <TrueBrain> so you can now highlight the right road toolbar in the right way etc :) 21:12:26 <TrueBrain> frosch123: after the first 5 commits of mine, it hsould 'just work' :P 21:13:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:13:57 <frosch123> well, recently i mostly encounter that it was a stupid idea of svn to version directories 21:13:58 <Zuu> TrueBrain: There can be more than one road toolbar? As far as I've understood all road/rail etc. toolbars share the same class, but I would not expect them to use different window numbers, just unique widget IDs. 21:14:21 <frosch123> (encountering as in both in ottd and at work) 21:14:49 <TrueBrain> Zuu: that is what I tried to say :) 21:14:57 <TrueBrain> they use the same WC_, but their window number is now unique 21:15:00 <TrueBrain> and documented 21:15:07 <TrueBrain> (not their widget id, their window number btw ;)) 21:15:24 <Zuu> Okay, good to hear that the window number is documented. :-) 21:15:56 <Zuu> Now that NoGo is in trunk, does the same doc URL apply or will there be a different one? 21:16:17 <TrueBrain> I guess I have to make nogo.openttd.org ... 21:17:24 <Zuu> Another task after merging with trunk is to point the finger.openttd.org entry to trunk. ... but don't hurry if you feel overwhelmed. :-) 21:17:37 <TrueBrain> not going to happen for another 22 hours :) 21:17:39 <TrueBrain> see forum ;) 21:18:27 <Zuu> Oh yea, sure I just forgot that we have to wait 22 hours for the next nightly to build. 21:19:01 <Alberth> plenty of time to learn building it from source :p 21:19:26 <Karth> Well thanks for the help getting the game going, now it seems I need to figure out how to fix alsa again :( 21:20:11 <Alberth> Karth: it is very possible to play without sounds, I managed that for many years :) 21:20:54 <Karth> I know, but whats the fun in that :P besides its system wide 21:21:49 <Zuu> Alberth: Fortutately I already know how to build from source. I just have to pull + update hg, regenerate the project files and compile. Not too hard really :-) 21:24:43 <Rubidium> regenerate project files? 21:25:09 <Terkhen> urgh, I hated alsa/oss/whatever 21:25:32 <Terkhen> that was the worst part of setting up a linux partition for me 21:25:36 <Zuu> Because sometimes building doesn't work when they miss a new file. 21:25:50 <Terkhen> s/worst part/only part that did not go smoothly/ 21:26:15 * Zuu realized that he got 32 new strings to translate 21:31:41 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:34:09 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:22 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 21:36:49 <Terkhen> you must have forgotten about translating for a long time :) 21:39:05 <Zuu> well, I translated a string yesterday, my language just happen to get cut away from most log messages. 21:39:29 <Terkhen> :P 21:39:35 <Zuu> Actually, I should usually wait a day or two after most other languages translating in order to get noticed :-) 21:39:56 <Rubidium> Zuu: CIA is just lame 21:40:01 * Terkhen just forgets unless he is highlighted 21:40:19 <Terkhen> I have the RSS feed but that usually takes days to come for some reason 21:41:21 <Zuu> Hmm, did that email about traslation cause WT3.0 to act wierd? It was slow and now I can't pull up a list of all recent translations to review them for consistency. 21:41:46 <Zuu> Ah good, waiting a while solved it. :-) 21:41:52 <Rubidium> the CF is also running 21:41:57 <Rubidium> so the server might be a bit sluggish 21:42:27 <TrueBrain> the server is not even 25% streshed 21:54:09 <Zuu> Could alse be because there was two of us translating Swedish at the same time. 21:58:23 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-177-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:59:29 <Terkhen> oooh, OpenTTD displays a message about "your language has a lazy translator" 22:00:29 <Zuu> Yep, I've seen that one lately in the NoGo branch :-) 22:00:43 <Terkhen> urgh, I'm the translator of that message 22:00:50 <Terkhen> so I translated it and forgot about the feature 22:00:53 <Zuu> I think it has been there for a year or so. 22:01:59 <Zuu> I think it is a good invention. Whenever a popular language will lose its translators, people are going to notice. 22:02:46 <Terkhen> yes :) 22:03:16 <Zuu> And when they become translators they will find out whom to blame :-) 22:03:19 <Rubidium> Zuu: you should change the threshold to be 0, then every time a string is missing you see that ;) 22:03:32 <V453000> :D your language has a lazy translator :D 22:05:14 <Zuu> Hmm, now that I looked up the string, I'm slightly dissapointed that it doesn't say "lazy translator" :-) 22:05:35 <Terkhen> it does not actually say it, but the implications of what it says are quite clear 22:06:24 <frosch123> Terkhen: i actually wonder whether some translator would put some strong words into that message :p 22:06:26 <Zuu> Yep 22:06:41 <Terkhen> :D 22:07:21 <Terkhen> I forgot about translating the message so I guess that I dismissed it thinking "I'm so efficient that I'll never see this" 22:07:55 * Zuu suggests that Terkhen gets NoGo 1.5 :-) 22:07:58 <Terkhen> wishful thinking :P 22:09:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B743E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B743E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f740c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> <frosch123> they must find some day when noone is looking <-- ask the CIA/NSA/MPAA whether they have a "terrorist" attack planned which they can hijack? 22:16:58 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:18:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:19:18 <Terkhen> there we go, 43 strings pending for spanish 22:28:29 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:32:57 *** murr4y [~murray@ec2-79-125-51-116.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:33:44 *** murr4y [~murray@ec2-79-125-51-116.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:42 <Terkhen> good night 22:59:06 <Karth> Hmm, well got my system's sound working, including timidity. Any idea why OpenTTD's music doesn't work? OS is Debian Squeeze. 23:00:55 <glx> sound set installed ? 23:01:20 <glx> well music set :) 23:01:45 <Karth> yep, installed the original GMs 23:02:16 <glx> selected in options ? 23:02:36 <Karth> yep, when I open the midi player it just shoots through them 23:02:55 <Zuu> Isn't there an issue with the german original CD as well or do I remember wrong? 23:03:09 <glx> usually means it doesn't find the files 23:03:19 <glx> where are they ? 23:04:18 <Karth> they are in /usr/share/games/openttd/gm 23:05:10 <Yexo> did you try downloading and using openmsx? 23:05:20 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 23:05:24 <Karth> I have not, let me try that 23:05:32 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:24 <Karth> same problem with them 23:07:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 23:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> tried getting some debug output? 23:12:40 <Karth> no I haven't, how do I set it to debug? 23:12:41 <Zuu> Eg, do you have a midi player active in your Linux system? 23:12:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-111-233.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 23:13:02 <Karth> I've played a midi file using timidity in the terminal 23:13:07 <Karth> so I know it works 23:13:54 <Zuu> IIRC OpenTTD have a command line option to tell which midi driver to use. Maybe that can give you some luck? 23:16:25 <Karth> hmm, let me take a look at something 23:18:07 <Wolf01> 'night 23:18:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:23:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:49 <Karth> ok got debug going, it keeps repeating "ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occoured 23:28:34 <glx> that's sound related, not music 23:29:03 <Karth> hmm, well sound works fine, it doesn't tell me anything else at debug 1 23:30:14 <glx> hmm maybe you could try to play a midi file in the terminal while openttd is running 23:30:40 <glx> (just to check something) 23:32:31 <Karth> sure 23:33:25 <Karth> I can't play my midi file now 23:33:54 <glx> so it's an alsa problem 23:34:42 <Karth> says cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory 23:34:49 <Karth> hmm, let me look into this 23:35:07 <peter1138> unable to play midi on linux usually means no suitable synth is installed/setup/etc/ 23:35:28 <Karth> I can play midi when openttd is closed 23:35:33 <Karth> it worked when I closed openttd 23:36:24 <peter1138> probably something is accessing the sound hw device directly, bypassing software mixing 23:37:07 <glx> or timidity not using alsa 23:37:29 <Karth> how would I know if timidity is using alsa? 23:38:09 <Karth> considering my sound took blacklisting of drivers to get working in alsa 23:39:10 <glx> timidity -iA -Os should work 23:40:54 <Karth> some info there, but it says ALSA pcm 'default' can't set hw_params and at the bottom says couldn't open ALSA pcm device (`s') 23:41:06 <Karth> lots of information inbetween 23:41:50 <Karth> also, alsa's mixer works fine on it 23:46:21 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:24 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08392d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!]