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00:03:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-153-157.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08:17 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-173-209.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:45 *** Kylie [kvirc@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:22 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:29 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:37 <Zuu> Hmm, this quote thingy for filters make it impossible to filter on things like "can't" 00:27:47 <Zuu> it's .. etc. 00:28:11 <Zuu> Perhaps it should only use double quotes. 00:34:33 <planetmaker> Zuu, things like sed or gdl and idl use a scheme where the first quote is the quote character an then the other can be quoted (" and ') 00:35:08 <planetmaker> of course that doesn't make any patch easier ;-) 00:35:27 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:10 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 01:01:57 <dada_> anyone know if there's a shortcut key for keeping the "go to" command active even after you click on a station? for faster order adding? 01:03:22 <Supercheese> yes, that's an advanced setting 01:03:27 <Supercheese> "enable quick creation of vehicle orders" 01:03:32 <dada_> ohh neat 01:04:17 <dada_> thanks, this is perfect 01:04:29 <Supercheese> yer welcome :) 01:21:36 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 01:21:36 *** KnogleAFK [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:42 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-001-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:22:03 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 01:56:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:89c7:c92f:762a:638] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:59:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-28-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:34:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:35 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:41 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-68-173-32-121.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:48 <supermop> hi 03:10:49 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.247.49] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:02 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:52 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I'm having a problem where my trains (filled with coal) aren't unloading at a power plant. Is there something that could be causing this? 04:38:24 <Supercheese> Does the station accept coal? 04:38:29 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Yes. 04:38:40 <hmmwhatsthisdo> It only seems to be a certain portion of the trains 04:38:46 <hmmwhatsthisdo> (which are using shared orders) 04:38:54 <Supercheese> Are all the wagons filled with coal? 04:38:59 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Yup. 04:39:00 <Supercheese> oh nevermind 04:39:09 <Supercheese> didn't interpret that right :P 04:39:14 <Supercheese> let's see 04:39:25 <hmmwhatsthisdo> It's on a 7x7 station with platforms linked by "smart" signals 04:39:36 <Supercheese> all the same station though, right? 04:39:36 <hmmwhatsthisdo> the train slows down, stops, then starts right back up again 04:39:41 <hmmwhatsthisdo> yup 04:40:02 <hmmwhatsthisdo> They're also all set to "unload all" at that station 04:40:09 <Supercheese> try changing to "unload if accepted" 04:40:12 <Supercheese> rather than unload all 04:40:22 <Supercheese> (just "unclick" unload all) 04:42:01 <hmmwhatsthisdo> It seems like it might be it's overriding the orders to unload at the station with orders to go for maintenance 04:42:16 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ...depots aren't supposed to be put after stations are they? 04:42:17 <Supercheese> I don't use maintenance orders myself 04:42:24 <Supercheese> I have breakdowns disabled 04:42:34 <hmmwhatsthisdo> isn't that cheating? 04:42:46 <Supercheese> You could do it in regular TTD, so... no? 04:42:56 <hmmwhatsthisdo> TIL something. 04:46:51 <hmmwhatsthisdo> mmk, it does appear that they were skipping the station because they were breaking down in it or before it, then going in for maintenance 04:55:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD463F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:16:18 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203074205]] 05:17:04 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 05:17:09 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has left #openttd [] 05:24:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.122.199.75] has joined #openttd 05:25:43 <Supercheese> Hey andy, joining with WSF set I see, no? 05:26:11 <Supercheese> or at least receiving sprites 05:30:25 <andythenorth> yup 05:30:38 <Supercheese> :D 05:40:36 <andythenorth> FISH 2 Alpha updated on bananas 05:40:56 <supermop> fish 2? 05:41:07 *** Thibit [~Thibi@50-39-251-253.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 05:43:10 <Supercheese> only the best ship set in OTTD by a large margin :) 05:43:18 <Supercheese> (IMNSHO) 05:43:43 <supermop> i didn't know there was a 2 05:43:57 <Supercheese> you need a (very) recent nightly to download it 05:48:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.122.199.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:48:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:58:25 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-68-173-32-121.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:51 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 06:11:34 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:27 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.156] has joined #openttd 06:28:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has joined #openttd 06:58:48 <Supercheese> good night 06:59:07 <Supercheese> Tomorrow, T-minus 20 seconds 06:59:33 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 07:28:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:28:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B66B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:11 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:39:45 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:49:20 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:04:23 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:08:06 <Terkhen> good morning 08:15:34 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:32 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 08:19:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:20:04 <Wolf01> mornink 08:24:16 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 08:24:19 <andythenorth> Wold: 08:24:22 <andythenorth> oops :P 08:24:28 <andythenorth> hi Wolf01 :) 08:26:50 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 :) 08:26:54 <Terkhen> and andythenorth :P 08:34:04 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-173-209.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:35:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:44:49 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:45:14 <andythenorth> lo Alberth and Zuu 08:45:24 <Alberth> moin andy and Zuu :) 08:45:35 <andythenorth> Terkhen: are you working on new scenario format? o_O 08:48:50 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:20 <LordAro> moin Zuu, Alberth and andy :) 08:56:06 <andythenorth> Zuu: Alberth Terkhen et al would you play MP game script later? 08:56:11 <andythenorth> test new FISH etc 08:57:10 * andythenorth will bbl 08:57:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:06:09 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:09:01 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 09:16:43 <planetmaker> moin 09:16:55 <planetmaker> Alberth, LongVehicles was written by george. He's still around 09:17:16 <Alberth> ok, maybe it gets fixed then. 09:17:37 <planetmaker> iirc long vehicles 5 is on hold due to missing openttd features, though 09:18:01 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.120.246.128] has joined #openttd 09:23:09 <andythenorth_> Mmm cheese 09:29:35 <Terkhen> andythenorth_: I have been working on the scenario format, yes 09:29:47 <andythenorth_> :) 09:29:53 <Terkhen> there are still a long list of stuff to code, though 09:30:42 <Terkhen> soon I'm leaving to do some tourism, I don't know when I'll be back but I'll probably be available for playing this evening 09:31:02 *** Wold [~Wold@93-152-170-93.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but var 61/62 has been implemented for a while now 09:39:57 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.120.246.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:38 *** Fawksie [~Fawksie@hertz.fewlishfox.co.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:40:56 *** Fawksie [~Fawksie@hertz.fewlishfox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:41:23 *** Fawksie is now known as Guest8732 09:41:26 <Terkhen> bbl 09:44:50 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:45:12 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 09:49:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:49:45 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, if that's what was missing, then it's even better and I'm happy to be wrong about the "missing longvehicles5" :-) 09:50:56 <Rubidium> what's missing from OpenTTD is support for negative "shorten vehicle" factors 09:51:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:48 <planetmaker> too bad. Not sure that that is a good addition, though 10:01:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:46 *** Wold [~Wold@93-152-170-93.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #openttd 10:13:07 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.156] has joined #openttd 10:14:57 *** masch [~quassel@big.masch.it] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:14:58 *** masch [~quassel@big.masch.it] has joined #openttd 10:19:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:26:03 *** Defaultti [defaultti@kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 10:29:14 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:32:22 * andythenorth ponders 10:32:38 <andythenorth> there is no way to make FIRS build fishing harbours near lighthouses 10:32:43 <andythenorth> but it would be neat :P 10:33:34 *** Defaultti [defaultti@kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 10:36:44 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:06 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [] 10:41:34 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:13 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-034-095.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:59 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 11:01:45 *** Thibit [~Thibi@50-39-251-253.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:41 *** Wold [~Wold@93-152-170-93.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:45 *** Wold [~Wold@94.26.18.230] has joined #openttd 11:30:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-239-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:33:41 <andythenorth> btw /me is again hiring developers 11:33:59 <andythenorth> specifically, I want to find a bi-lingual programmer for a translation project 11:34:14 <andythenorth> so far I have 1 CV from a spanish guy :) 11:35:07 <andythenorth> it's not Terkhen ;) 11:39:43 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:48:30 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:48:33 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 11:48:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 11:49:14 <Zuu> Playing against your own AI is interesting. I gave it a head start to fill the map, and then tried to compeete against it. It give the same sort of challenge as joining late on a MP server and trying to fit in your tracks in the mess. :-) 11:51:03 <planetmaker> :-) 11:51:11 <planetmaker> Compete on the same routes ;-) 11:54:24 <Zuu> The hard part about playing against an AI is that you cannot leave a secondary industry with high production without servicing it yourself directly. Otherwise, the AI is there quick and take the secondary cargo and profit from it. 11:55:56 <Zuu> If you do bring the secondary cargo from start, you can probably keep it for yourself if the service is good. At least CluelessPlus is mainly looking at the difference between produced cargo and transported cargo. If that gap is large enough, it uses the industry, otherwise not. 11:56:54 *** bb10X [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:56:56 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 11:57:03 <planetmaker> :-) yup. But that's fair enough, imho 11:57:10 <Zuu> yep 11:57:44 <Zuu> I'm sure there are some AIs that will try to compete on well serviced industries too if they are having a very high production. 11:57:46 <planetmaker> he. I'm actually tempted to have an AI run on the coop stable server. Just for the fun ;-) 11:58:11 <planetmaker> oh, sure there are such AIs. But might not be their best option 11:58:12 <Zuu> You could install a few and then make it select a random AI. 11:58:55 <planetmaker> yes... I fear only that our audience won't appreciate that 11:58:59 <planetmaker> any AI that is 11:59:34 <Zuu> Some AIs can be configured to not use "steal" industries. 11:59:56 <Zuu> s/use // 12:00:41 <Zuu> you could also lower the speed of the AI by reducing the AI construction speed as well as the number of opcodes that it has per tick 12:03:06 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:30 <Zuu> Or get IdleMore and noone will complain on the AI :-p 12:04:18 <planetmaker> hehe :-) But that's a good reminder about those options. I might sneakily give it a try maybe somewhen 12:10:43 <planetmaker> hm... with the admin port... we could run a game for X years... and read out game data after that time... meh, still no good usecase for the admin port around :-( 12:10:46 <planetmaker> very sad 12:11:07 <planetmaker> s/use case/useable application/ 12:18:35 <LordAro> poke dih3dral :P 12:20:16 <planetmaker> hehe yes 12:22:12 * planetmaker installes twisted, though 12:22:15 <planetmaker> -e 12:23:44 <Alberth> nice, Twisted 12:24:32 <planetmaker> you got experience with it, Alberth ? 12:25:04 <Alberth> I have touched the stuff, yes 12:25:53 <LordAro> planetmaker: why do you want it? 12:25:57 <Alberth> at least if you talk about Twisted from twistedmatrix.com :) 12:26:46 <Alberth> LordAro: for your program, it's a framework for writing asynchronous networked programs 12:27:16 <Alberth> it does many network protocols out of the box 12:27:36 <LordAro> sounds fun 12:27:40 <planetmaker> that's why I want it. Or rather look at it 12:27:49 <Alberth> programming it is however somewhat.... twisted 12:27:50 <planetmaker> It's python 12:28:06 <LordAro> shame it's written in python, or i may have been able to use it myself for my own projects... 12:28:13 <planetmaker> (that was no answer to albert's last statement) ;-) 12:28:19 <Alberth> but that's mainly due to working with asynchronous events 12:29:00 * LordAro -> lunch. Alberth can explain 'my own projects' if planetmaker really wants t o know ;) :P 12:29:03 <Alberth> LordAro: the ideas that they use are very general 12:29:46 <Alberth> the dear Lord believes there are not enough chat programs in the world :p 12:30:23 <planetmaker> oh, really? 12:30:56 <planetmaker> I've seen enough of them to conclude for every chat problem exists a solution ;-) 12:31:13 <Alberth> yep, but it's a nice excuse to do some network programming :) 12:31:30 <planetmaker> openttd admin port would be a better one :-P 12:31:37 <planetmaker> or openttd web config ;-) 12:31:53 <planetmaker> or even a combination of both :-P 12:32:02 <Alberth> the main problem with chat is that it is used too much, instead of a sane protocol 12:33:52 <Alberth> you flatten data to arbitrary text, and at the other end try to make sense of it by parsing a text stream, instead of using something designed for passing information from A to B, like xmpp or so :) 12:34:35 <Alberth> but enough of that, why do you want Twisted? 12:35:48 <planetmaker> no particular reason except that it seemed to me means to marry openttd admin port to irc and web interface 12:36:13 <planetmaker> not that I have done *anything* in that respect so far except toy around little with twisted 12:36:39 <planetmaker> nor actually likely that I'll get something done in any timeframe worth quoting ;-) 12:38:02 <Alberth> I fully agree it is the right solution to the network problem you describe 12:38:03 <planetmaker> and next to dih's java implementation of an openttd admin port library there's xaroth's bit dated python implementation for it. So either of those two languages would lend itself to such attempt 12:38:14 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 12:38:50 <Alberth> Oh, 'networking' is generic enough to work in almost any language 12:38:56 <planetmaker> :-) 12:39:04 <planetmaker> yes, but I'm lazy ;-) 12:39:16 <Alberth> (as long as you don't try functional and declarative languages too much :) ) 12:39:33 <planetmaker> and a proof-of-concept IRC connection was half a screen of code 12:39:56 <planetmaker> same with a web server 12:40:42 <planetmaker> twisted seemed well documented to me, too with loads of examples. Which... makes it somewhat easier starting point 12:40:47 <Alberth> usually the code does almost nothing, the big problem is managing the state of everything, which works nicely with Twisted as it gets distributed 12:41:15 <Alberth> for a certain value of 'nice' that you get with asynchronously executing code :p 12:41:24 <planetmaker> :-) 12:41:40 <planetmaker> but I think the asynchronous execution is actually what I want in this case 12:42:10 <planetmaker> to me it seems like a problem with three sub-problems which just communicate a few things with eachother 12:42:32 <Alberth> you definitely want asynchronous execution 12:42:48 <andythenorth> I want asychnronous pixel drawing 12:42:56 <andythenorth> and an MP game :P 12:43:14 <Alberth> while Twisted is a good answer, it is to me also horrible enough to avoid it like the plague 12:43:23 <planetmaker> he :D 12:43:28 <planetmaker> what would you choose, Alberth ? 12:43:30 <Alberth> so I'd write a custom async program instead I think 12:43:35 <planetmaker> ah 12:44:08 <andythenorth> iirc there are some async python packages 12:44:17 <andythenorth> without requiring the framework 12:44:24 <Alberth> async stuff in the stdlibrary are toys 12:46:17 <andythenorth> who wants to set the buy menu order for me in FISH 2? 12:46:24 <andythenorth> I'm guessing no-one :P 12:46:30 * andythenorth can't get the staff :P 12:47:32 *** dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:48:47 * Alberth digs up an old chat-log planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1624/ 12:51:49 <Alberth> a job in your case would be a connection to some port 12:52:03 <planetmaker> hm :-) ty 12:52:54 *** Warod [warod@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:52:55 *** Warod [warod@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:52:58 *** Wold [~Wold@94.26.18.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:19 *** Wold [~Wold@94.26.18.230] has joined #openttd 12:53:32 <Alberth> Twisted goes further in also making other things asynchronous, such as DB access, and of course it does the various protocols out of the box 12:53:42 *** lugo [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:54:36 <Alberth> pehaps I hate Twisted too much :p 12:54:58 <planetmaker> sounds like traumatic experiences in that field ;-) 12:55:13 <Alberth> andythenorth: ordered by year of introduction? 12:56:12 <Alberth> planetmaker: nah, just terribly fear for the complexity of async things :) 12:57:48 <planetmaker> he, yeah :-) It's... complex 13:01:52 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 13:04:09 *** Wold [~Wold@94.26.18.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:01 *** Wold [~Wold@93-152-170-93.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #openttd 13:05:05 <andythenorth> Alberth: fortunately ottd already has sort by year of introduction ;) 13:05:18 <andythenorth> it's the default sort I should fix :P 13:05:21 * andythenorth -> nml docs 13:06:07 <Alberth> :) 13:06:33 <Alberth> can you control that? 13:06:47 <andythenorth> yes 13:06:48 <andythenorth> oh 13:06:56 <andythenorth> it's been encoded rather neatly in nml :P 13:07:05 <andythenorth> it's just a list :P 13:07:07 <andythenorth> where's the fun in that? 13:07:19 <planetmaker> hehe 13:07:52 <andythenorth> I was going to make a list, then for each vehicle find previous vehicle, then encode that in action 0 prop in templated nml :| 13:07:57 <andythenorth> this is too easy :P 13:08:08 <andythenorth> all I have to do is use an ordered folder in my CMS 13:08:11 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #openttd 13:11:43 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:33 <Alberth> coding is too easy, switch back to nfo 13:15:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c51c:55f9:c42a:b7ac] has joined #openttd 13:15:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:13 *** KnogleAFK [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:22:13 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:45 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:36 <Jake> Is there a "no duplicate AIs" setting I haven't found? Because I think we need one. Multiple instances of StreetTraffic when you're running large numbers of road vehicles is a whole bunch of absolutely no fun at all. 13:28:09 <Alberth> limit the number of AI players to 1 ? 13:28:28 <Alberth> or manually set which AI to use for each opponent 13:29:22 <Jake> Point. I do prefer a little bit of competition, though. 13:30:25 <planetmaker> hand-configure which AI to use 13:32:03 <Jake> That'd work, but I like to be surprised occasionally by the competition. Eh, maybe I just need to figure out why my Internet connection drops out every twenty minutes or so. 13:32:57 <Jake> Also, what d'you guys reckon to the new scenario I posted? 13:38:09 <Zuu> I beleive StreetTraffic doesn't set the "don't use as random AI" flag. If you uninstall it and get TownCars instead, IIRC that AI have that flag set and will never be chosen by OpenTTD as random AI. 13:39:15 <Alberth> Jake: I hardly play OpenTTD, the last time I played a scenario is over ten years ago 13:39:27 <Zuu> Or you can add " function UseAsRandomAI() { return false; } 13:39:28 <Zuu> " to info.nut of street traffic if you want to ues it still. 13:39:44 <Jake> Brilliant. Thanks Zuu. 13:40:16 <Zuu> Move it from ./content_download/ai to ./ai and untar. 13:40:42 <Zuu> when it sits in ./ai, IIRC OpenTTD will not find it if it sits in a tar. 13:41:43 <Zuu> The reason for moving is that you shouldn't store files in content_download as OpenTTD may remove/overwrite thoses files at is choise. 13:42:13 <Zuu> s/is choise/it's choise/ 13:42:34 <Zuu> or just "its"? ... 13:43:34 <Alberth> it's is a short-hand for it is 13:44:56 <Zuu> yep, and thus doesn't fit there 13:49:44 <planetmaker> s/choise/choice/ ;-) 13:50:44 <Zuu> meh :-D 13:55:18 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:55:59 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:31 *** APTX_ [~APTX@89-74-57-139.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:59:16 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:30 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:42 *** tycoondemon2 [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:01:47 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:06 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:08:07 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 14:11:55 *** dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has joined #openttd 14:18:06 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:18:07 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:06 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:24:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 14:26:44 <andythenorth> ho ho 14:27:01 <andythenorth> my default 'sort on ID' is currently alphabetical order :P 14:27:28 <andythenorth> so I'll fix that. Pax ships first in the list? 14:27:55 <planetmaker> sounds good 14:42:04 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:42:11 <drac_boy> hi 14:52:39 <xQR> mh, there is GSTile.DemolishTile() which invokes the DoCommand CmdLandscapeClear 14:52:45 <xQR> but that can only be used to clear a single tile 14:52:57 <xQR> is there no GS function for CmdClearArea to clear a full area of tiles? 14:57:14 <andythenorth> planetmaker: GS game? 14:57:17 <andythenorth> MP? 14:57:18 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:57:36 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 14:58:00 <planetmaker> not for me today 14:58:06 <andythenorth> nvm 14:58:19 <planetmaker> but I'll happily start the server 14:58:36 <andythenorth> any other players? :P 14:58:39 <andythenorth> Alberth: Zuu et al? 14:58:50 <andythenorth> I'm going to put a new fish alpha out 14:59:21 <Alberth> at 5 pm? 14:59:31 <Zuu> in 1 minute? 14:59:53 <Terkhen> hello 15:00:09 <planetmaker> r24530 running in #openttdcoop.nightly 15:00:22 <andythenorth> any time suits 15:00:30 <andythenorth> I will have to run out and do children things anyway 15:03:31 <andythenorth> NoCarGoal or SV? 15:06:21 <Alberth> I was about to prepare some dinner first 15:07:25 <andythenorth> well it takes time to prepare a game anyway 15:07:38 <andythenorth> we could play later 15:08:08 <andythenorth> anybody object to NoCarGoal 7 years, FIRS, NARS 2 ? 15:08:45 <Zuu> 7 years sounds like a good time frame. 15:09:01 <Alberth> the problem with FIRS imho is that you are the only person that knows the set 15:09:22 <Zuu> I prefer something easier than FIRS where you can easier spot connections. ^^ 15:09:55 <andythenorth> smaller FIRS? :P 15:10:00 <andythenorth> one day maybe :P 15:10:16 <andythenorth> PBI + NoCarGoal would be very hard 15:10:44 <Zuu> OpenGFX+ Industries with parameters to use extra chains from other climate? 15:11:17 * drac_boy always likes anything freight-related to have HEQS as well 15:11:19 <drac_boy> but :) 15:12:16 <andythenorth> Zuu: do you want to make a map? 15:12:30 <andythenorth> I have toddlers to wrangle 15:12:34 <Alberth> lots of water :) 15:12:44 <andythenorth> long and thin is interesting 15:12:49 <drac_boy> oh yeah waters reminds me... 15:13:08 <drac_boy> is it still something thats going to be in progress yet or are there any grf that actually have sail/steam era ships? 15:13:10 <Zuu> I could. I've found some interesting random map gen settings at the moment. Though those doesn't involve lots of water but I could raise water level :-) 15:13:28 <andythenorth> drac_boy: early ships has them 15:13:32 <andythenorth> check the forum for it 15:13:43 <Terkhen> Zuu: I would like an extra chains game :P 15:13:44 <drac_boy> FISH is kinda too limited..theres only like two .. an expensive paddleship and a cheap but tiny oil-fired tugboat 15:13:46 <andythenorth> might be called 'sailing ships' or 'early ships', I forget :P 15:13:46 <drac_boy> hmm ok 15:14:20 <drac_boy> thanks anyway andythenorth 15:14:24 <andythenorth> it has windjammers and things 15:15:08 <Zuu> What is a good transport target? 30k? 50k? 15:15:53 <Alberth> no idea, 30K ? 15:22:02 <andythenorth> frosch has stats somewhere 15:22:33 <andythenorth> on devs.openttd 15:22:46 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e2f7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6d6e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:04 <andythenorth> it's as though he's prescient 15:24:05 <Zuu> I have noted in the readme that 12500 on 7 years is possible and 25000 is a challenge for a team. 15:24:11 <andythenorth> or at least telepathic 15:24:21 <andythenorth> frosch123: where is your GS stats page? 15:25:02 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/NoCarGoal <- that one? 15:25:36 <andythenorth> :) 15:25:43 <Zuu> Btw, what climate should we play? 15:25:47 <andythenorth> don't care 15:26:19 * Zuu probably picks artic or desert 15:27:13 <__ln__> it's silly one can't have all the climates on one map. 15:27:41 <Terkhen> as silly as "needs to rework the map implementation" :P 15:27:43 <Terkhen> toyland! 15:28:10 <frosch123> it's silly to reduce the climate choice to only graphics 15:28:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:28:34 <andythenorth> it's silly to have Toyland :P 15:28:38 <__ln__> reduce in what sense? 15:28:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: +1 to that point 15:28:44 <andythenorth> firs got it wrong 15:28:46 <__ln__> toyland could be replaced with mars. 15:28:48 <Terkhen> true, toyland is meant to be silly 15:28:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B66B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:28:56 <drac_boy> frosch123 yeah I agree beside winter != desert :) 15:29:05 <Terkhen> you should be able to replace anything with mars, all climates, whatever 15:29:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:29:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B66B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 <drac_boy> terkhen or for non-frictious sets such as that unfinished unreleased (last I recall) brickland grf 15:29:23 <andythenorth> Zuu: don't miss FISH 2 in your game :) 15:29:47 <Zuu> FISH 2 from bananas is included 15:29:49 <frosch123> does it have reworked cost? 15:29:53 <frosch123> else don'T miss the basecost od 15:29:55 <frosch123> *m,od 15:30:06 <__ln__> anyway, on a big map it wouldn't be that silly if one end was desert and the other snow. 15:30:45 <frosch123> design a newterrain grf feature 15:30:48 <frosch123> with action 123 support 15:31:04 <andythenorth> frosch123: I reduced costs about 50% for FISH yesterday 15:31:10 <Zuu> NARS 2.03 from 2009? 15:31:24 <andythenorth> sounds fine 15:31:34 <andythenorth> start date? 15:33:08 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:42 <Terkhen> 1975 15:33:49 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:06 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:35:02 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:36:23 <Zuu> Hmm, NARS contain a GEAR cargo? 15:36:39 <Zuu> NoCargGoal picked the GEAR cargo when I tested to generate a map :-) 15:38:26 <Pinkbeast> It's locomotive regearing, and a constant source of bugs. 15:38:36 <planetmaker> yes, NARS is (the only?) NewGRF using the regearing cargo 15:39:01 <planetmaker> that cargo considered a deprecated exercise one. But... it's still there 15:39:19 <planetmaker> maybe you can specifically exclude that one cargo in NoCarGoal, Zuu? 15:39:27 <Terkhen> GS scripts should ignore cargos with cargo class CC_SPECIAL for stuff like choosing valid cargos to transport 15:39:40 <planetmaker> indeed 15:40:43 <Zuu> Sure, could make a such update, but for now I just hit "newgame" if it appears. Such things are hard to know of from reading the NoGo spec. 15:46:01 <Zuu> 1024x128? 15:46:06 <Zuu> (map size) 15:46:26 <Zuu> plenty of land and plenty of water 15:46:29 <andythenorth> ok 15:46:33 <andythenorth> long and thin is good 15:47:14 <andythenorth> Zuu: can you allow unlimited (or at least long) trains? 15:47:28 <andythenorth> sometimes I would like to run longer than than l5 :P 15:47:31 <andythenorth> more like l25 :P 15:48:01 <Zuu> hmm, oh, haven't looked through the adv. settings yet. 15:48:17 <andythenorth> takes so long to setup a game :) 15:49:21 <andythenorth> new lego train http://www.brothers-brick.com/2012/09/29/announcing-10233-horizon-express/ 15:49:29 <drac_boy> heh I always have station spread set for 17 ... don't know why :-> 15:49:44 <drac_boy> trains usually ends up 2 to 14 tiles long anyhow 15:50:28 <Zuu> andythenorth: 125 tiles? 15:50:39 <andythenorth> 25 ;) 15:57:14 <Zuu> http://devs.openttd.org/~zuu/mp/NoCarGoal-game-2012-09-30.sav <-- game 15:57:52 <Zuu> It has trains up to 20 tiles, but station spread at 14. (I usually have it at 10, so it has already been raised by 40%) 15:59:46 <andythenorth> \o/ 15:59:52 <andythenorth> hmm 16:00:03 <andythenorth> actually, does that mean trains too long for stations? :) 16:00:07 <andythenorth> nvm if so 16:02:03 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 16:08:08 <andythenorth> xUSSR set looks nice 16:08:28 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:09:30 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:19 <NGC3982> Evening, people and Andy. 16:11:15 <andythenorth> an old joke 16:11:22 <andythenorth> but a classic apparently 16:11:23 <andythenorth> :P 16:12:40 <NGC3982> ;). 16:12:51 <NGC3982> All is well with andythenorth? 16:15:04 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: goodbyte] 16:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone care to explain what the joke is? 16:42:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: item 2 here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadiesAndGerms 16:43:05 <andythenorth> also http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MyFriendsAndZoidberg 16:44:58 <NGC3982> Harr. 16:44:58 <NGC3982> :D 16:52:54 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:19:20 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:19:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:21:33 <Eddi|zuHause> oh. i thought there was something more to it. then it's alright. 17:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda forced one of those onto me once 17:22:40 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 17:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pastebin.com/B2BWAwJJ 17:25:44 <planetmaker> lol, Eddi|zuHause 17:26:01 <planetmaker> you're soooooo mainstream grey mouse like ;-) 17:33:18 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 17:45:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24562 trunk/src/lang/lithuanian.txt (2012-09-30 17:45:12 UTC) 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 11 changes by RunisLabs 17:51:30 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:14 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 18:02:00 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:05:40 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:31 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 18:45:09 *** Alberth is now known as Guest8792 18:48:20 *** Guest8792 [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:26 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest8795 19:04:27 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@31.102.112.102] has joined #openttd 19:04:27 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 19:07:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.102.112.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:22 *** Guest8795 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:12:17 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:19 <andythenorth> I have solved RVs 19:18:53 <planetmaker> wow. With sulfuric acid? 19:19:30 <planetmaker> (though not sure that whole RVs would solve in it) 19:19:48 <andythenorth> :P 19:20:37 <frosch123> maybe if you combine it with furnace temparatures 19:20:46 <andythenorth> seriously :P 19:20:59 <planetmaker> not furnance. but vulcanic will do 19:21:09 <andythenorth> instead of building truck, and then refitting trailer, body type etc 19:21:23 <andythenorth> and all the pain of that with autorefit 19:21:24 <frosch123> yeah, i guess vulcans solve about anything 19:21:31 <andythenorth> build the trailer, then refit to the truck with subtypes :P 19:21:44 <andythenorth> have maybe 3 truck models 19:21:47 <planetmaker> that's an interesting concept :-) 19:21:53 <andythenorth> it's insane :| 19:21:59 <planetmaker> indeed it is 19:22:01 <andythenorth> but would make for a very simple buy menu 19:22:22 <andythenorth> and it's better for trams than having say, 105 different trams in the buy menu :P 19:22:26 <frosch123> probably does not work at all for autoreplace :p 19:22:40 <frosch123> unless you never ewant to change model 19:22:40 <andythenorth> ugh 19:22:46 <andythenorth> ach 19:22:54 <andythenorth> all that matters is you have 'tank truck' 19:23:11 <andythenorth> of certain capacity 19:23:27 <andythenorth> everything else (speed, power etc) you just want 'best' , right? 19:23:47 <frosch123> too short purchase lists are also bad if you play with breakdowns 19:23:55 <frosch123> nars sucks esp. with that 19:24:46 <planetmaker> too short purchase lists? 19:25:14 <frosch123> with breakdowns you need multiple similar vehicles, so you can drop those with very low reliability 19:25:23 <planetmaker> oh, hm, yes 19:25:27 <frosch123> that does not work for vehicles which upgrade themself 19:25:38 <frosch123> instead it renders a complete series useless :p 19:26:12 <planetmaker> different playing styles :-) It's a problem I rarely encounter, I guess 19:26:30 <andythenorth> so how insane is my idea? 19:26:35 <andythenorth> workable? 19:27:32 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:40 *** Jake_ [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:43 *** Jake_ is now known as Jake 19:40:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CF21.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the lack of autoreplace is a killer feature for me... 19:43:56 <andythenorth> hmm 19:43:57 <andythenorth> ok 19:44:02 <andythenorth> well it was a nice idea :P 19:45:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6AA79.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:53 *** Thibit [~Thibi@50-39-251-253.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:01 <FLHerne> andythenorth: It sounded saner than some of your other ideas :D 19:54:14 <FLHerne> But yes, autoreplace is important :P 19:54:30 * FLHerne relies on template-replace now :-( 19:58:26 *** deXM96 [~riku@e-werk.entropy.fi] has left #openttd [] 20:03:37 <andythenorth> so I am out of ideas for RVs :( 20:04:55 <andythenorth> anyone else got ideas? 20:06:17 <Jake> Motorbikes? 20:07:03 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Does 'separate vehicles of the same family for different cargo groups' work? 20:07:21 <andythenorth> yes ish 20:07:23 <FLHerne> Buy-menu spam > no truckset :P 20:07:50 <andythenorth> variable length makes it worse 20:08:04 <andythenorth> let's say 7 types of tram 20:08:06 <andythenorth> 3 lengths 20:08:12 <andythenorth> 5 cargo groups 20:08:20 <andythenorth> @calc 7 * 3 * 5 20:08:20 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 105 20:08:31 <FLHerne> Trams are just a pain :P 20:08:55 <FLHerne> How many kinds of relengthable tram will be available at one time, though? 20:09:10 <Wolf01> nighty night 20:09:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:09:18 <andythenorth> about 3 or 4 20:09:30 <andythenorth> assuming vehicles expire 20:10:07 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Only 50-odd entries then :P 20:10:17 <FLHerne> Is there a limit on buy-menu entries? 20:10:26 <andythenorth> not afaik 20:10:48 <FLHerne> No real problem then :P 20:11:12 <andythenorth> the variable lengths might need to be abandoned 20:11:50 <FLHerne> The refitting method is silly and unusable :P 20:12:05 <FLHerne> But variable length in general is nice :P 20:22:00 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 20:22:13 *** APTX_ [~APTX@89-74-57-139.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:02 *** timofmars [~tim@c-67-171-51-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:18 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:44 <frosch123> night 20:31:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6d6e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:55 <andythenorth> bye 20:39:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:44:42 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:04 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 20:51:35 *** timofmars [~tim@c-67-171-51-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:10:48 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B66B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:44 <Jake> O...kay. That is genuinely the first time I've regretted not at least skim-reading server rules. 21:22:09 <FLHerne> Jake: What server? 21:22:20 <Jake> OpenTTDCoop. 21:22:24 <TrueBrain> Rule 1: insult someone within 5 minutes 21:22:24 * FLHerne remembers Luukland's ones were nasty 21:22:38 <TrueBrain> I love my own server rules :D 21:22:48 <FLHerne> Jake: Odd? I always remembered them as being quite sane :P 21:23:19 <Jake> I mean, these things normally come down to "don't link to porn, don't spam, don't be a dick". 21:23:43 <FLHerne> The 'coop' part is a hint :P 21:24:23 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:24:57 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:25:04 <TrueBrain> pff, and an (unwritten) channel rule is that leaving while in a conversation is rude too! 21:25:05 <TrueBrain> pfffff 21:25:07 <TrueBrain> :D 21:25:34 <FLHerne> Soory, WM fail :-( 21:25:44 <TrueBrain> :D 21:25:57 <Jake> Well, yeah. I admit I should've seen the "don't compete directly for other people's cargos" part coming. It's the one about not using ships because their running costs are jacked up sky-high that I didn't expect. 21:26:03 * FLHerne hates KWin sometimes :-( 21:26:30 <Kjetil> KWin probably hates you as well 21:26:32 <FLHerne> Probably because the PF for them lags :P 21:27:00 <FLHerne> Kjetil: Perhaps because I kick it out in favour of openbox any time I want to do real work :P 21:27:05 <TrueBrain> I can only hope KWin doesn't have any feelings :) 21:27:25 <Kjetil> Computers are people too! 21:27:42 <TrueBrain> says who? 21:28:03 <Kjetil> The internets 21:28:21 <TrueBrain> ah, ok. that settles it then :D 21:28:46 <TrueBrain> I hate my internet connection ... 35 more minutes before this movie is done downloading ..... :( 21:29:55 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:45 *** Thibit [~Thibi@50-39-251-253.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:22 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:54 <Zuu> Playing against this GS can be a challenge to find spots to build your connections. A industry is spawned every fift day: http://devs.openttd.org/~zuu/IndustryGS.png 22:03:56 <Zuu> (not a GS that I plan to release though - just testing a change in OpenTTD to allow GS to build industries for free) 22:04:05 <TrueBrain> that is sick Zuu 22:04:11 <TrueBrain> :P 22:04:52 <TrueBrain> you should add a newgrf where you can have slaves to move stuff over one industry :D 22:05:03 <TrueBrain> or station over industries! 22:05:04 <Zuu> What is interesting is that the GS pick a tile by random and a industry type independent of location. Yet all powerplants are on one side of the map and the coal mines on the other. 22:05:25 <TrueBrain> restrictions of the placing routine in OpenTTD itself? 22:05:34 <TrueBrain> doesnt it have code to avoid placing industries too close of some types? 22:05:46 <Zuu> maybe 22:05:51 <TrueBrain> just guessing :D 22:06:09 <TrueBrain> now what you need is underground stations 22:06:11 <TrueBrain> that would fix it 22:06:13 <Zuu> It sounds possible. you can see a distance between the coal mines and powerplants with no coal industries. 22:07:40 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-173-209.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:10 <Zuu> I haven't yet figured out if my changes violate the NewGRF specs, multiplayer stability or some other important matter. 22:10:22 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:13:03 <Zuu> We had a NoCarGoal game today with the goal to transport plenty of steel. Only problem was that there were only three iron ore mines on the entire map. 22:13:28 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:14:41 <Zuu> Though the biggest problem was that it took 6 years to start to make money and then there was no time left to even think of funding industries. 22:15:14 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 22:33:35 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-034-095.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:54:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:08 *** KnogleAFK [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:39 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 22:55:42 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:46 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 23:26:54 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 23:28:16 *** BadBrett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:48 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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