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00:07:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CDF6.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD484B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:08:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD484B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:09:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDF6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:17:31 <Bad_Brett> ok can anyone explain this to me? http://www.badbrett.se/childsprites.png 00:18:15 <Bad_Brett> the very same childsprite has the same offsets on the two houses 00:19:38 <Bad_Brett> it surely can't be the distance from the top-left corner of the parent 00:26:25 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that is far outside my area of expertise, sorry 00:26:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:30:10 <Bad_Brett> oh well... i guess i'll search the forums 00:30:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:35:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably a better place to ask your question than trying to find someone to speak to here at this hour 00:41:21 <Bad_Brett> hehe 00:41:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:41:42 <Bad_Brett> but supercheese has saves me a couple of times 00:41:47 <Bad_Brett> *saved 00:42:26 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:43:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:35 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1450 00:49:35 *** Guest1450 [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:36 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:47 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:45 <Terkhen> good night 01:04:06 <Bad_Brett> good night Terkhen 01:20:14 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 01:20:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:47 *** Superuser [~root@host81-129-131-143.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:24:09 <Superuser> some tooltips are truly disastrous 01:24:11 <Superuser> STR_ORDERS_GO_TO_TOOLTIP 01:24:15 <Superuser> "{BLACK}Insert a new order before the highlighted order, or add to end of list. Ctrl makes station orders 'full load any cargo', waypoint orders 'non-stop' and depot orders 'service'. 'Share orders' or Ctrl lets this vehicle share orders with the selected vehicle. Clicking a vehicle copies the orders from that vehicle. A depot order disables automatic servicing of the vehicle" 01:24:27 <Superuser> IT IS HUGE 01:24:38 <Superuser> I'm okay with translating it, but gee. 01:28:36 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:47 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 01:32:49 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:34:17 *** Superuser [~root@host81-129-131-143.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:18 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:42:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:58 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 01:49:35 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1452 01:49:35 *** Guest1452 [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:36 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:01:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:59 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-005-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:19:13 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-239-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:35 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1455 02:37:35 *** Guest1455 [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:36 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFFC07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:43:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:29:08 <Flygon> Supercheese: A DMU? 08:29:21 <Flygon> Or, lighter, an EMU 08:29:32 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481C31F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:29:35 <Flygon> It'll have the tractive effort required 08:32:42 <Supercheese> Hah, I love this game, largest city is 29,000 pop, next largest is 4,000 08:33:17 <Supercheese> it keeps growing, too 08:33:46 <Flygon> Urg, good luck 08:33:51 <Flygon> When it reaches 100k+ 08:33:57 <Flygon> The city is unmanagable 08:34:00 <Supercheese> the subways will be able to handle the traffic 08:34:17 <Flygon> Ah 08:34:20 <Flygon> When my cities are that big 08:34:23 <Flygon> I have tram networks 08:34:34 <Flygon> Why? Because it's an early city that I couldn't afford subways for 08:34:39 <Flygon> eg. start of the game 08:34:40 <Supercheese> I made a subway grf to help deal with situations just like these :) 08:34:57 <Flygon> Subway GRF still requires demolishing buildings 08:35:02 <Supercheese> Nope 08:35:05 <Supercheese> Just roads 08:35:13 <Flygon> Wait, huh? 08:35:16 <Supercheese> which already exist 08:35:20 <Flygon> Can cars still drive on those roads? 08:35:31 <Supercheese> Yes, but they will conflict with the subways 08:35:42 <Flygon> Wait, are you talking about standard rail? Or a repurposed road GRF? 08:35:54 <Flygon> And what do you mean by 'conflict'? 08:35:54 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62672 08:35:59 <Flygon> Thanks 08:36:10 <Supercheese> all detailed in that post 08:36:18 <Flygon> Ahh 08:36:20 <Flygon> I see 08:36:38 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:38 <Supercheese> they are coded as [beneath-the-]road vehicles 08:37:54 <Flygon> Sorry for the confusion 08:37:57 <Supercheese> Oh whew, my game hung for ~6 seconds when pulling up the save menu, I was afraid it was going to crash, fortunately not 08:38:03 <Supercheese> wonder why it froze... 08:38:18 <Supercheese> I am running a patchpack, probably that 08:48:10 <Supercheese> Wellp 08:48:14 <Supercheese> I think this game is about 'done' 08:48:31 <Supercheese> All towns connected, all industries connected, all primary industries supplied (FIRS supplies) 08:48:50 <Supercheese> no huge cargo buildups 08:49:35 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1479 08:49:35 *** Guest1479 [~frank@p5481C31F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:36 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481C31F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:50:18 <Supercheese> Salve, andy 08:50:24 <andythenorth> hi hi 08:50:26 <Supercheese> FIRS basic is too basic 08:50:36 <Supercheese> I think this game is about 'done' 08:50:40 <andythenorth> orly? 08:50:42 <Supercheese> All towns connected, all industries connected, all primary industries supplied 08:50:46 <Supercheese> no huge cargo buildups 08:50:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:54 <andythenorth> try it with a cargo goal 08:50:59 <Supercheese> Yeah 08:51:09 <Supercheese> I just wanted to get a good game in, testing some grfs, FIRS included :) 08:51:18 <Supercheese> problem is now there's really nothing else to do 08:51:26 <Supercheese> fund new industries I guess 08:51:34 <Supercheese> or newgame time 08:51:46 <andythenorth> basic has ~19 industries 08:51:55 <andythenorth> full FIRS is 49 08:52:11 <andythenorth> there's room in the middle for more economies 08:52:22 <andythenorth> middle ground :P 08:52:29 <andythenorth> middle of the road :P 08:52:35 <andythenorth> middling :P 08:52:50 <Supercheese> I'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for you middling kids 08:56:00 * MNIM takes off Supercheese's mask 08:56:03 <MNIM> OMG! 08:56:07 <MNIM> it's the lawnkeeper! 08:56:34 <Supercheese> I'll get you next time... and your doggy too! 08:57:28 * MNIM barks for scoobysnacks 08:58:09 <MNIM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFSLFBAJdBI 09:03:48 <Supercheese> "Town grows every 1 day" 09:03:50 <Supercheese> whooboy 09:04:00 <Pikka> good moaning andythenorth 09:05:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:07:33 <andythenorth> bonsoir Pikka chops 09:08:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:10:21 <Supercheese> Huzzah, the 2-6-2 Prairie 09:10:39 <Supercheese> Nice upgrade to 0-6-0 Goods 09:14:03 <Pikka> is this a good time to be messing around with vehicle sprite offsets do you think? D: 09:14:54 <Pikka> I decided maybe the | train sprites could move up a couple of pixels :) 09:17:19 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1482 09:17:20 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:36 *** Guest1482 [~frank@p5481C31F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:16 <andythenorth> as long as you know what you're doing : 09:19:17 <andythenorth> :P 09:19:23 * andythenorth hates offsets 09:20:52 <Pikka> http://www.pikkarail.com/junk/scobbles.png 09:21:11 <Pikka> not seen in this picture: any | trains :] 09:21:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:21:23 <Pikka> it's only a couple of pixels anyway, no-one will notice. 09:22:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-87-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:47 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:27:47 *** George is now known as Guest1485 09:27:47 *** George|2 is now known as George 09:29:07 <peter1138> wut 09:31:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:32:10 <andythenorth> Pikka: u can haz new industry graphics? o_O 09:32:19 <andythenorth> iz brickwx? 09:33:01 *** Guest1485 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:58 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:47:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:38 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 10:00:01 <Pikka> that is my gasworks/early power station 10:00:09 <Pikka> but I'm going to redo it 10:00:15 <Pikka> less TTD-ish 10:08:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 10:10:26 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d868dc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:14 <andythenorth> Pikka chu, it's not very good, but unused FIRS sprite: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/firs/raw-file/0eb6f59c36d2/graphics_sources/incinerator/incinerator.png 10:12:20 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:12:23 <Pikka> thanks, not really the style I think I'm aiming for though (neither are the current sprites) 10:13:24 <Pikka> going for a much less noisy and busy style than default TTD I think, ala 10CC 10:16:27 <andythenorth> orly :) 10:16:39 <andythenorth> toon render :P 10:17:12 <andythenorth> will you redraw the houses as well? o_O 10:17:48 <andythenorth> eh? 10:18:00 <andythenorth> there are a few people around the forums that don't know what a troll is 10:18:14 <andythenorth> any disagreement is labelled as trolling 10:18:16 <andythenorth> how dumb 10:19:24 <andythenorth> or perhaps....they are the real trolls, and I am falling for it :) 10:19:28 <MNIM> they see me trolling, they hating? 10:22:22 <planetmaker> moin 10:22:31 <Pikka> moin planetmaker 10:22:55 <Pikka> yes, I will redraw the houses as well 10:23:09 <Pikka> TaI unlazy edition 10:24:27 <andythenorth> got a name for this style? 10:24:28 <andythenorth> 10CC? 10:24:36 <andythenorth> what would a 10CC ship look like? o_O 10:25:40 <Pikka> dunno 10:25:49 <Pikka> have more of an idea when I've drawn more than two trains :P 10:25:59 <andythenorth> ho ho 10:26:09 * andythenorth bbl 10:26:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:29:30 <Supercheese> 'night 10:29:34 <Supercheese> valete omnes 10:29:39 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 10:38:11 <Flygon> Hmmm 10:38:36 <Flygon> Civilization II: As it turns out, you can wipe out a powerful civilization so fast, it literally doesn't register on the powergraph 10:38:48 <Flygon> Aint unusual things fun? :B 10:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, a few tanks and howitzers, and you can cover a whole continent in one turn... 10:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> assuming it has railways 10:45:14 <Flygon> Yeah, was lucky enough to have railways 10:45:21 <Flygon> But Howitzers lack the move needed 10:45:26 <Flygon> Bombers + Tanks ftw 10:45:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i rarely used bombers 10:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> stealth fighters can do way more damage 10:49:02 <Flygon> You'd be surprised 10:49:05 <Flygon> Cheap to build 10:49:08 <Flygon> Enmasse 10:49:36 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1494 10:49:36 *** Guest1494 [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:37 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:27 <planetmaker> expensive to maintain in certain government forms, Flygon ;-) 10:50:35 <Flygon> I was Demo 10:50:39 <Flygon> But forced to Fundie 10:50:48 <Flygon> Nearly killed my spacerace 10:50:56 <Flygon> But I got Fusion Power JUST in time 10:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i never do fundamentalism 10:52:19 <Flygon> I do it in cases where "%&^# the senate" 10:53:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i barely remember how annoying the senate actually was 10:55:29 <Flygon> Eddi: it overrides your decision 50% of the time 10:55:37 <Flygon> I had the UN. So it was just 25% 10:55:42 <Flygon> ...which was still TERRIBLE 10:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there were times where it just refused war, and other times where declaring war caused anarchy, right? 10:57:34 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1497 10:57:34 *** Guest1497 [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:34 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i miss the whole revolution/discontinuous cultural development in civ5... everything neatly builds up on the previous culture... 10:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the world did not work like that 11:00:19 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:00:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 11:04:22 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-10-125.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:06:34 <Flygon> Eddi: Well. Forcing war can cause anarchy, yes. 11:10:00 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-10-125.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:24 *** Pokka is now known as Pikka 11:18:10 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:16 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-10-125.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:59 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 11:41:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:54:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDF6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "The Zombie Apocalypse has begun in Montana" 12:17:42 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 12:17:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.78.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:31 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5DDFF29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:49 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:35 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-144.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:40 *** Juicy [1f0348e2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:53 <Juicy> hey 13:17:07 <Juicy> Everybody afk ? 13:18:22 <Juicy> i guess .. well , ill just leave my question here then .. Okay , im wondering , how do i change the end year for my server ? been googleing , but with no luck . Thanks in advance 13:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so what have you tried so far? 13:19:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:50 <Juicy> Nothing . haven't tried anything really , haven't been able to find anything on the subject 13:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> then you should probably look at openttd.cfg (while the server is not running) 13:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> or the "list_settings" command (while the server is running) 13:20:50 <Juicy> alright , will do so . thanks :) 13:21:01 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it'd be something like "restart_year" or so 13:21:43 <Juicy> cool , ill look into thanks . thanks a bunch :) 13:28:10 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you giant troll you :) 13:28:16 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> NOWAI 13:29:18 <andythenorth> is all argument now going to be labelled 'trolling' 13:29:19 <andythenorth> ? 13:31:43 *** zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:25 *** zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:55 <planetmaker> both Eddi|zuHause and Pikka sometimes have a tendency to a brevity in their answers which belies the reasoning which went into it ;-) 13:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... looks like empty bottles standig on my computer act as resonance body... 13:49:35 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1505 13:49:35 *** Guest1505 [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:36 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:35 <andythenorth> hmm 14:22:38 <andythenorth> so 14:23:08 <andythenorth> new repo for Squid? Or just branch old FISH 2 and continue Squid in the same repo? 14:23:52 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:51 <planetmaker> new repo 14:27:02 <planetmaker> new newgrf = new repo 14:27:52 <andythenorth> k thanks 14:27:57 <planetmaker> I still don't get why you abandon FISH though. It seems to cater for the shipping needs one might have 14:28:15 <planetmaker> For more than I have in a single game. But for all which I have in different games 14:28:23 <andythenorth> mostly because I don't like it 14:28:27 <andythenorth> FISH 2 smells 14:28:49 <andythenorth> it's not worse than FISH, not better 14:29:03 <andythenorth> herp, it *is* worse than FISH :P 14:29:08 * andythenorth should learn to type 14:29:13 <planetmaker> make klipfisk from it :D 14:29:27 <andythenorth> Salt Fish? 14:29:32 <planetmaker> yeah :D 14:29:43 <andythenorth> looks awesome 14:29:46 <planetmaker> stops the fish becoming smelly :-) 14:29:55 <andythenorth> I considered calling it SALT 14:30:18 <andythenorth> but Squid is Calimari 14:30:21 <planetmaker> squid is the nicer name for it ^ 14:30:23 <andythenorth> and it's CalimariTime 14:30:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:30:37 <andythenorth> blame pikka for that pun ^ 14:31:02 * planetmaker didn't get that pun though 14:31:08 <andythenorth> Cali Maritime 14:31:32 <planetmaker> :-) 14:31:46 <andythenorth> what state should I leave FISH repo in? 14:31:56 <andythenorth> feel like I should roll it back to last working state of FISH 2 14:32:03 <andythenorth> instead of hacked around to become Squid 14:32:16 <andythenorth> but then....who's going to ever care? o_O 14:32:23 <planetmaker> leave it as-is 14:32:38 <andythenorth> I'll made a copy of the web database that drives the ships, before I hacked it around 14:32:44 <andythenorth> I'll / I did 14:32:50 * andythenorth really has typing issues 14:33:23 <peter1138> hi 14:33:32 <planetmaker> it's a vcs... any version is accessible, also non-head. And one can easily create new heads. Later. If ever 14:34:28 <andythenorth> hi peter1138 14:35:03 <peter1138> i never did my secret project 14:35:39 <Bad_Brett> good afternoon 14:36:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: once again I forget how to add a repo to devzone, sorry :( 14:36:23 <andythenorth> always the identifier trips me up 14:36:27 <andythenorth> url 14:37:36 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth, create project. Make sure you have checked the 'repository' module upon creation. Just wait a few minutes and it'll be auto-created for you 14:39:38 <planetmaker> then clone that empty repo for most convenience and start with it 14:40:07 <planetmaker> choose a sensible identifier, i.e. squid in your case. That'll be the URL then, too 14:40:50 <planetmaker> like that :D 14:41:27 <planetmaker> you... probably should have added yourself as manager though :-) 14:42:28 <andythenorth> hmm :) 14:42:31 <andythenorth> k biab 14:42:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:44:14 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-5-173.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:44:39 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 14:44:43 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 14:51:20 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-5-173.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52:45 <peter1138> WHOLE LOTTA LOVE 14:56:15 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:16 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:21 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 15:25:04 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:34 <Belugas> hello 15:28:32 <Bad_Brett> is anyone here good at positioning childsprites? while the x-pos makes perfect sense, the y-pos seems somewhat random 15:28:45 <Bad_Brett> hello Belugas 15:28:56 <peter1138> neither are random :S 15:29:47 <Bad_Brett> I made two different houses, using the exact same sprites and offsets, and yet the childsprites are in different places 15:29:53 <Bad_Brett> it's really confusing 15:30:11 <Bad_Brett> i spend ~10 hours yesterday trying to understand what I did wrong 15:30:16 <Belugas> hello Bad_Brett :) 15:31:41 <Bad_Brett> I did this picture yesterday to try to understand what's going on... but to no avail 15:31:45 <Bad_Brett> http://www.badbrett.se/childsprites.png 15:33:37 <Bad_Brett> the documentation suggests that the y-offset of the childsprite should be the distance from the top of the parent, but that doesn't seem to be the case 15:39:16 <Bad_Brett> I also did an experiment... I changed the y-offs of the parent from -100 to -200... and the childsprite moved _8_ pixels. 15:40:21 <Bad_Brett> if the position is relative to the parent sprite, shouldn't the childsprite move 100 pixels as well? 15:41:08 <Bad_Brett> something really weird is going on... i'll clear the cache and see if it makes a difference 15:43:13 *** Katve [6dcc8f16@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:21 <Katve> Does somebody know why there are no release announcement on the TT-Forums for 1.3.0-beta2 ? 15:47:33 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:49:27 <Bad_Brett> ok, so i removed all switches and now it works properly... guess i just have to find the source 15:49:34 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1515 15:49:34 *** Guest1515 [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:34 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:05 <planetmaker> Katve, simply not yet written... it's on the agenda, though 15:52:58 <Bad_Brett> ok... now this is getting REALLY weird 15:53:54 <Katve> planetmaker ok 15:54:52 <planetmaker> of course you can get the changelog... http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.3.0-beta2/changelog.txt 15:55:04 <Bad_Brett> the childsprite changes position when I add more zoom levels... how can the z0 sprites be affected by the the z1 sprites? 15:56:28 <Katve> no thats not the point of course I read it while downloading, but I didnt notice whole update and according to the Openttd.org it is released 7.2.13 and I noticed it only by going to multiplayer and servers not matching 16:01:49 *** Katve [6dcc8f16@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:04:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:38 <peter1138> got some coffee called java jampit 16:17:42 <peter1138> i misread it 16:17:44 <peter1138> java armpit :S 16:18:23 <planetmaker> iew... sounds tasty :D 16:19:50 <peter1138> hehe 16:19:53 <peter1138> it is actually 16:21:38 <Belugas> jampit.. i guess you are growing an obsession ;) 16:22:19 <peter1138> since getting a machine... yeah 16:22:47 <Belugas> :) 16:29:18 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:33:56 <peter1138> ooooh coffee done 16:40:09 <Pinkbeast> coffee, there's an idea. 16:47:36 <peter1138> coffee's not just an idea. it's THE LAW 16:48:38 <V453000> wtf is !! BK tunnels? 16:49:34 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1523 16:49:34 *** Guest1523 [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:35 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:29 <Alberth> V453000: it is a not so useful newgrf? :) 16:50:46 <V453000> well yeah but what is it for then :d 16:50:46 <peter1138> i used it in every game 16:50:55 <peter1138> V453000, can you read? 16:51:16 <V453000> oh I see now 16:51:33 <V453000> so it is just a poster which informs people that they should go download it to simuscape? 16:51:45 <V453000> that is a joke 16:52:01 <peter1138> i think so 16:52:21 <V453000> unbelievable 16:52:23 <planetmaker> V453000, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5470 16:52:46 <planetmaker> ups... wrong issue 16:53:10 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5469 16:53:51 <V453000> :D my first thoughts 16:54:28 <V453000> just after I discovered it is just bullshit anyway 16:54:53 <planetmaker> didn't take 24h for that issue to be submitted to our bug tracker 16:54:54 <peter1138> surely you mean to say a useful service to discover grf you did not know about 16:55:22 <V453000> honestly there should be some rule about that 16:55:28 <planetmaker> which? 16:55:37 <planetmaker> (honest question) 16:56:02 <V453000> about uploading newGRFs which do nothing on purpose 16:56:25 <V453000> how is linking people to simuscape any helpful 16:56:38 <V453000> I consider that simply advertisement spam 16:56:59 <V453000> you could also put there an informational newgrf about buying viagra or whatnot 16:57:10 <planetmaker> :D :D 16:57:51 <peter1138> i don't believe the T&Cs deal with spam 16:58:04 <peter1138> there's also the issue of precedent 16:58:39 <planetmaker> TOS didn't need to deal with it... so far. What precedent? 16:58:40 <peter1138> otoh, we deal with issues when notified, so who knows 16:58:49 <peter1138> the "we don't moderate it" rule 16:59:02 <V453000> so far; this is a pretty large exception and first of its kind that I know of 17:01:23 <Bad_Brett> Is someone willing to take a look at this? The file contains a grf (and nml code of course) with two identical houses (same sprites/offsets/parameters). The only difference is that House 1 only have graphics for the 4x zoom level, while House 2 have graphics for all zoom levels. Yet the position of the z0 childsprites are directly affected by this. 17:01:26 <Bad_Brett> www.badbrett.se/goldrush/ChildspriteChaos.zip 17:03:16 <Bad_Brett> I included nmlc to make it easier to compile... if this is unacceptable I'll upload another version 17:03:51 <planetmaker> is the lang file included (often forgotten)? 17:04:10 <planetmaker> nmlc surely is not needed and just bloats it 17:04:33 <planetmaker> depending on whether you shipped its license you might not be allowed to ship it that way 17:07:49 <Bad_Brett> the lang is included 17:07:51 <Bad_Brett> i'll remove nmlc 17:08:02 <andythenorth> I don't really see the problem with BK tunnels grf 17:08:06 <andythenorth> we don't moderate bananas 17:08:40 <planetmaker> so far people behaved well and didn't abuse the service 17:09:34 <andythenorth> but there's nothing objectively wrong with this newgrf 17:10:10 <Bad_Brett> fixed it 17:10:14 <planetmaker> posted for the single purpose to advertize a 3rd party site without providing any content 17:10:56 <planetmaker> I could also post a viagra-advertizement newgrf. Nothing wrong with it. Technically 17:11:07 <V453000> correct me if I am wrong but I think the purpose of bananas is to provide newGRFs which the game can find, and this - let me call it spam - clearly doesnt do that 17:11:30 <planetmaker> (I like the viagra analogy, V453000 :D ) 17:11:37 <V453000> if I have real BK tunnels 1.5 in my savegame, it wont work anyway 17:11:42 <V453000> :) 17:15:20 <peter1138> V453000, perhaps complain to whoever uploaded it 17:15:28 *** Juicy [1f0348e2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:15:40 <V453000> searching on simuscape, but the excellent site structure prevents me from finding it so far 17:15:50 <peter1138> yup 17:16:00 <peter1138> downloaded 839 times 17:16:11 <peter1138> i guess people don't read, who'da thunk it 17:16:14 <V453000> =D You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum. 17:16:24 <V453000> solved 17:16:51 <V453000> and yes I am logged in 17:17:04 <peter1138> heh 17:17:17 <peter1138> can't read even with a login? hah 17:17:37 <V453000> hah > heh? :P 17:18:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:20:45 <planetmaker> technically sorting usually determines that heh? > hah 17:24:19 <peter1138> see-eee-eee-eee emily play 17:28:39 *** ccfreak2k_ [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has joined #openttd 17:29:17 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:17 *** ccfreak2k_ is now known as ccfreak2k 17:30:50 <Bad_Brett> seriously, what's going on? how can an extra alternative_sprites block for the z5 zoom level affect the offsets for the z0 level? it doesn't make any sense 17:32:14 <planetmaker> I'll try to have a look when I'm home, Bad_Brett. But that'll take an hour at least 17:32:38 <Bad_Brett> thanks a lot... most appreciated :) 17:36:42 <peter1138> iirc sprite pixel offsets have to match 17:38:40 <andythenorth> do I have to register on another site to get BK Tunnels? 17:39:19 <V453000> yes on simuscape, but I have registered there and dont seem to be able to get to BK tunnel thread 17:39:32 <peter1138> nouhttp://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32119 17:39:37 <peter1138> if you really wanted it 17:40:13 <michi_cc> Bad_Brett: If the dimensions and offsets of the different zoom levels don't scale to the same value, OTTD will adjust the offsets and pad the sprites. This usually doesn't matter, except for child sprites I guess. 17:40:40 <michi_cc> V453000: You didn't read the site rules and didn't make a post to the welcome thread? ;) 17:40:48 <V453000> I did 17:41:19 <andythenorth> so now we have a grf on bananas which is there to promote data capture by a third party service? 17:41:44 <peter1138> it's been there for days, i dunno ;p 17:42:18 <Bad_Brett> michi_cc: Thanks... I suspected something like that, because the numbers didn't add up 17:42:47 <andythenorth> simuscape requires an email to register? 17:42:53 <michi_cc> V453000: And yes, it is a bad precedent, but whatever we ("official" we) do, we're going to be the bad guys. 17:43:18 <V453000> sure or you can re-code bananas to have an "advertisements" category :DDD 17:43:19 <andythenorth> we could just do thing 17:43:22 <andythenorth> nothing 17:43:29 <peter1138> just upload more more of your own grfs to get it off the list 17:43:35 <michi_cc> V453000: And just in case you do manage to post, the matching thread is http://www.simuscape.net/simutalk/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=423. 17:44:01 <andythenorth> seems a bit weird though, acting as a funnel to a third party data harvesting site 17:44:08 <peter1138> maybe r24983 has more meaning for you guys now? 17:44:21 <V453000> that is ridiculous 17:44:40 <V453000> uploading dummy newGRFs instead of real newGRFs is seriously wrong 17:45:02 <Bad_Brett> i agree 17:45:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:06 <V453000> just stupid walking around and abusing bananas imo 17:45:43 <planetmaker> it would be more acceptable, if they used the same grfID 17:45:53 <planetmaker> as the newgrf which they advertize 17:46:22 <planetmaker> but of course no-one ever thought about actually talking... with the bad guys 17:46:36 <planetmaker> who make the game they mod 17:47:07 <michi_cc> planetmaker: They mod TTDPatch, OpenTTD is just an accident. 17:47:09 <V453000> they are even different IDs? 17:47:13 <V453000> I thought it is at least matching 17:47:37 <planetmaker> nope 17:47:56 <planetmaker> michi_cc, then the bananas additions are spam 17:49:34 *** fjb_mobile is now known as Guest1531 17:49:34 *** Guest1531 [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:34 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:16 <michi_cc> It's not working anyway, as, if the simuscape download counters can be trusted, the linked file was only downloaded 5 times so far. 17:51:58 <planetmaker> The most annoying thing is they don't use the proper grfID. Using the proper grfID with action14 version=0 would allow the "real" grf to be shown only when available. This way it really is spam ingame for the newgrf lists 17:52:17 <planetmaker> something which needs filtering even when their approach works. Which is highly annoying 17:52:32 <peter1138> heh, and the radio is playing... beastie boys - sabotage 17:52:38 <planetmaker> :-) 17:54:33 <planetmaker> bbl 17:55:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:55:55 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 18:03:38 <V453000> two words, fuck simuscape 18:06:11 <Bad_Brett> i don't get it... what's the point? surely less people will find their grf's that way, right? 18:10:03 <V453000> I mean, if at least the website of the newGRF was the page with the actual download 18:10:15 <V453000> but no it gets you to main page from where "find it, good luck" 18:10:24 <V453000> but no 18:13:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:16 <Bad_Brett> i think it's a bit funny though 18:13:57 <Bad_Brett> new tunnel entrances? really? 18:14:45 <Bad_Brett> i ett thousands of people will register to get a chance to play with that 18:14:47 <Bad_Brett> *bet 18:17:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:05 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.31] has joined #openttd 18:31:27 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:31:45 * andythenorth has done a bit of thinking 18:31:58 <andythenorth> this BK grf thing is just 'meh' 18:32:03 <andythenorth> let it be 18:32:12 <andythenorth> not a thing to try and solve 18:34:00 <peter1138> wquite 18:34:51 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:35:18 <andythenorth> could amend the ToS and say things like 'no dependency on downloading things not in Bananas' 18:35:21 <andythenorth> but really, mhe 18:35:32 <V453000> exactly, BK thing is meh 18:35:41 <V453000> but as he said explicitly, he will do it with many other newGRFs too 18:35:46 <V453000> and that will be a massive mess 18:35:56 <andythenorth> [shrug] 18:35:59 <planetmaker> Bad_Brett, did using the scaled sizes for sprite solve your issue? 18:36:35 <Bad_Brett> what does scaled sizes mean exactly? 18:37:04 <V453000> I really think the ToS should be enhanced by an answer to this newly discovered hole it had 18:37:29 <Bad_Brett> the z1 sprites are always about 1/2 the size of the z0 sprite... same with the offsets... 18:38:02 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 18:38:03 <planetmaker> Bad_Brett, taking the sprite sizes of the normal zoom level, the sprite sizes of other zoom levels have to be scaled exactly (for the child sprites) 18:39:10 <andythenorth> V453000: it's a can of legalistic worms 18:39:23 <andythenorth> there are a hundred holes I could pick in any proposal you make 18:39:32 <andythenorth> it's TMWFTLB by some measure 18:39:52 <andythenorth> and will result in yet more drama 18:39:53 <NGC3982> Evening. 18:39:57 <V453000> well yes of course, but the other holes dont seem to hurt anyone atm 18:48:56 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:48:57 <Bad_Brett> planetmaker: some sprites have odd dimensions... such as 253x253 18:49:08 <Bad_Brett> do you think this could cause the problem? 18:49:22 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:49:29 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [] 18:49:40 <Bad_Brett> because these numbers will round down when i make the smaller versions 18:50:46 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.31] has left #openttd [] 18:50:52 <Bad_Brett> 253->126->63->31->15->7 18:51:00 <Bad_Brett> but if you go the other way: 18:51:38 <Bad_Brett> 7->14->28->56->112->224 18:53:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:54:02 <Bad_Brett> so... when I add the z5 sprite, the game expects that the z0 sprite to be 224 pixels high, when it's really 253 pixels high? 18:54:05 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-058-014.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 <Bad_Brett> so making sure that the z0 sprite has a number which can be divided by 2 five times should solve the problem? 19:10:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:11:26 <Bad_Brett> oh well... guess i have to modify my sprite splitter so that the sprites always have "good" dimensions 19:15:31 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p5481CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:52 <michi_cc> Bad_Brett: It's 253->127->64->32->16->8 as scaling down is done with rounding up and not rounding down. 19:16:53 <Bad_Brett> well i was talking about my algorithm... my mistake :) 19:17:30 <Bad_Brett> anyway... it illustrates the problem... i think you're right 19:17:33 <michi_cc> So of your z0 sprite is only 7 pixels, the game will either increase the offset or the width (depending on which side the pixel is missing) and pad the sprite. If it changes the offset, your child sprite moves. 19:18:02 <Bad_Brett> yeah... 19:18:33 <Bad_Brett> i will try to use sprites with "better" dimensions and see if it does the trick 19:18:57 <michi_cc> For child sprites the important thing is that the xoffs/yoffs chain scales properly, the width/height don't really matter. 19:19:41 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e96e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:57 <Bad_Brett> alright 19:20:01 <Bad_Brett> i'll try it tonight 19:20:08 <Bad_Brett> thanks 19:24:35 <Bad_Brett> by the way, does this cause any other problems in the game or can i simply adjust the offsets of the childsprite to fix this issue? 19:26:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ee9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:00 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:18 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 19:29:35 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:32:00 *** zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:41 *** zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:06 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:36:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24989 /trunk/src/lang (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-02-12 18:46:26 UTC) 19:36:38 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:36:39 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 53 changes by YsterVuis 19:36:40 <DorpsGek> danish - 4 changes by Elias 19:36:41 <DorpsGek> greek - 9 changes by Evropi 19:36:42 <DorpsGek> hebrew - 3 changes by yitzc 19:36:43 <DorpsGek> thai - 50 changes by khao9999 19:42:55 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:50:03 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:55:39 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:34 <andythenorth> hmm 20:01:47 <andythenorth> is it time to learn python class inheritance? 20:02:03 <Supercheese> Sounds like a caste system 20:02:12 <Supercheese> You shall be of the same class as thy parent 20:02:40 <Supercheese> Noble code, peasant code 20:02:45 <Supercheese> :P 20:02:52 <planetmaker> :D 20:03:40 <Alberth> Python allows stepping outside castes then :) 20:07:47 <Alberth> if an object behaves as an instance of some class, it is an instance of that class, no matter where the object really comes from 20:08:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:10:08 <andythenorth> hmm 75km ropeway http://www.trainweb.org/italeritrea/tramway.htm 20:10:18 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:50 <Alberth> who needs tracks when you can use rope :p 20:11:54 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 20:11:54 <Wolf01> hi ho 20:12:53 <Supercheese> aerial tramways for OTTD? isn't there a grf for that? 20:13:04 <Supercheese> Swissfan project or so 20:16:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:17:11 <andythenorth> hmm 20:17:29 <andythenorth> should I just call it FISH 2? 20:17:46 * Supercheese would actually like aerial tramways in OTTD 20:17:51 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:03 <Supercheese> very eyecandy, and useful for steep slopes 20:19:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:19:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:20:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:20:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-68-236.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:11 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:23:34 <andythenorth> FISH (30CC Edition) 20:23:45 <Supercheese> FEESH 20:23:46 <andythenorth> making a whole new grf is lame 20:23:53 <andythenorth> which is what you all said anyway 20:25:04 <andythenorth> so you can all just be correct ;) 20:25:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:40 <Supercheese> Osteichthyes.grf 20:31:09 <andythenorth> I should kill this web-based FISH configuration managing thingy 20:31:13 <andythenorth> it's too much string 20:32:02 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:29 <andythenorth> naming convention for ships? 20:33:34 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-144.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:45 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-144.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:48 <andythenorth> FISH had maritime meterological area names 20:34:32 <andythenorth> ah got one 20:34:37 <andythenorth> you can guess what it is later 20:37:46 * Alberth guesses a body of water 20:44:18 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:03 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-131-146-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:49:56 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-131-146-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:57:01 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:01 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:02:49 <andythenorth> it's oh so quiet 21:04:31 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:14 <Bad_Brett> sscchhhh sscchhhhh 21:21:05 <Supercheese> I just broke OpenOffice 21:21:08 <Supercheese> horribly 21:21:44 <peter1138> it does that 21:23:18 <TinoDidriksen> Use LO instead. 21:24:30 <Supercheese> which is? 21:26:41 <TinoDidriksen> Libre Office 21:26:43 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 21:27:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A4D2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:29:02 <Supercheese> Huh, I didn't even realize there was a fork 21:29:11 * Supercheese has not been paying attention 21:29:15 <peter1138> Yeah, Oracle isn't all that FOSS-friendly 21:29:29 <Supercheese> Yes, switching seems desirable 21:29:33 * Supercheese downloads 21:29:39 <peter1138> the issue was resolved 21:29:54 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has joined #openttd 21:32:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDF6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:10 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:43 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:49 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 21:50:33 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:54 <frosch123> night 22:01:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ee9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:45 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:12:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:31 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:52:06 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.243] has joined #openttd 22:57:05 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:57:20 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-144.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:08 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:10 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: hydrofoils - remind me why you think later intro dates (and suggest some)? 23:14:23 <andythenorth> (there are two, 106 pax and 240 pax) 23:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> because they are (IMHO) very overpowered 23:17:52 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and i think the last suggestion was 2020-ish 23:22:19 <andythenorth> k 23:22:21 <andythenorth> ta 23:22:24 <andythenorth> good night 23:22:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:25:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ¿Qué tal? 23:57:01 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd