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00:12:37 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 00:26:07 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-41-102.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:40:48 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-184-87.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:12:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:03 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:31:43 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:46:05 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:22:45 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-41-102.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:07 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:26 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-4db030eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:01:52 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04:25 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-5d820913.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD54AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67E7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:05:24 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 06:06:32 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 06:09:51 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [] 06:40:40 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.162.154.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Quit Message sponsored by AdiIRC - www.adiirc.com] 06:57:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B664.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:57:00 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:32 *** Zeetherdroid [~AndChat68@user-0c6t3g5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 07:19:33 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:35:41 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-184-87.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:35 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:a8c2:5439:e4c9:524b] has joined #openttd 09:02:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:46 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:15:29 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:58 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-95-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 09:39:45 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:10 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:41:55 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:49 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 10:06:16 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:24:01 *** Luiz_ [~oftc-webi@4e566067.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:05:14 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@bas1-ottawa08-1177885171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 11:05:19 <dreck> hi 11:07:28 <peter1138> neeeeeeeigh 11:07:49 <peter1138> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.VKvADP2xrEU 11:17:21 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:45 <__ln___> clock stop 11:19:57 <peter1138> indeed 11:20:09 <__ln___> is that bad? 11:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> only if it stops beyond the launch window 11:40:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:52:54 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:54:10 <dreck> hi ladyhawk 12:05:21 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 12:06:28 <LadyHawk> hello dreck 12:07:45 <dreck> hows you? 12:08:09 <LadyHawk> i'm ok, headache but it'll fade 12:08:25 <peter1138> Coffee 12:08:27 <LadyHawk> how are you? 12:08:34 <LadyHawk> coffee is in the coffee machine =) 12:08:36 <dreck> hope you get better soon :-s 12:08:40 <dreck> and I'm doing ok for now 12:09:01 <LadyHawk> thank you 12:10:30 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:10:40 <alluke> hohoo 12:10:49 <alluke> didnt sleep at all last night 12:10:58 <alluke> sleep is for pussies 12:12:34 <LadyHawk> sleep is my friend 12:12:55 <LadyHawk> over the holiday period i was sleeping from 2am-2pm 12:13:32 * LadyHawk is apparently a pussy 12:13:38 <LadyHawk> :p 12:14:19 <peter1138> Coffee in the machine is in the wrong place :-) 12:14:26 <dreck> lol 12:15:50 <LadyHawk> it's in my cup sitting next to me now 12:15:53 <LadyHawk> im working on it! 12:16:13 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:18:28 <alluke> i stay awake with the magic of coffee 12:18:54 <alluke> hopefully the coffee lasts till 21 00 12:18:56 <LadyHawk> i do that at work 12:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a holiday... 12:19:22 <LadyHawk> when i'm at home i dont tend to drink coffee after like 8pm 12:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't have a coffee addiction anyway 12:19:30 <LadyHawk> feels wrong to go to bed buzzing on coffee =P 12:19:41 <alluke> got my new licence yesterday 12:19:49 <alluke> BE C1E C 12:19:53 <alluke> 8) 12:19:57 <LadyHawk> ? 12:20:17 <alluke> driver's licence 12:21:36 * LadyHawk checks hers 12:22:10 <LadyHawk> those codes are very different from mine 12:22:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:24 <alluke> where do you live 12:22:26 <LadyHawk> i dunno what they mean =) 12:22:27 <LadyHawk> england 12:22:43 <alluke> those should be in use in whole europe afaik 12:22:49 <alluke> at least in eu 12:23:11 <LadyHawk> they may just not be on mine.. older licences here have a wishlist of codes on them but the newer card licences only have a few 12:23:20 <LadyHawk> i have a newer one 12:23:32 <alluke> you prolly have B? 12:23:39 <LadyHawk> b,b1,f,k,p 12:23:49 <alluke> woot 12:24:02 <alluke> what the hell are those 12:24:10 <LadyHawk> that's what i thought looking at yours 12:24:11 <LadyHawk> lol 12:24:18 <LadyHawk> b cars 12:24:30 <LadyHawk> b1 vans & people carriers up to 6 i think 12:24:38 <LadyHawk> fkp muppets n stuff 12:24:42 <LadyHawk> (mopeds) 12:24:59 <alluke> be = car and trailer 12:25:08 <alluke> c1e light truck and trailer 12:25:14 <alluke> c heav truck 12:25:26 <LadyHawk> ohh, those are nice 12:25:30 * dreck has class 1, 3, 4B, 5, and 6D in name of quebec :) 12:25:46 <LadyHawk> that's a seperate test here that's quite pricey 12:25:55 <LadyHawk> to get those codes on the licence 12:25:57 <LadyHawk> well done =) 12:25:59 <alluke> i got those all for free 12:26:06 <LadyHawk> ;o 12:27:18 <LadyHawk> if i had had an older licence i would also be able to drive tracktors and weird things like that 12:27:31 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@bas1-ottawa08-1177885171.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well, usually you get the company you work for to pay for the C license 12:27:59 <alluke> i got my licences from army where i served for year 12:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: any particular reason for not CE? 12:28:14 <alluke> in civil world theyd cost many tons 12:28:26 <alluke> only the best ones were chosen to CE course 12:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, if you have an army license, you can get the test cheaper 12:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather, you can skip most of the expensive lessons 12:29:33 <alluke> oh how i miss the army trucks 12:29:38 <alluke> they were fun as fuck 12:29:51 * peter1138 has B, BE, C1, C1E, D1 and D1E. And fklnp. 12:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you have to renew the bus and truck licenses like every 5 years? 12:30:46 <alluke> i have to i suppose 12:30:52 <alluke> the card expires in 2019 12:31:34 <peter1138> No. C1 is only up to 7500 kg. 12:31:54 <peter1138> D1 is only a minibus. 12:32:14 <alluke> what was the max seats for d1 12:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but transporting more than 8 people commercially... 12:32:49 <peter1138> For full truck and bus, yeah, they need renewal, I'm sure. 12:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i have only B (and ML, which is mopeds and agricultural vehicles) 12:33:14 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest901 12:33:18 <peter1138> alluke, 16. 12:33:19 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:30 <peter1138> code 101 - not for hire or reward 12:33:38 <alluke> i want to buy a bus and turn it into a c-licence camper / bar / strip club 12:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> with C you can drive a bus, it may just not have more than 8 passengers at a time 12:34:07 <alluke> not anymore 12:34:19 <alluke> the wise people in eu changed that 12:34:24 <peter1138> Bus is D. 12:34:34 <peter1138> Large vehicles is C. 12:34:35 <planetmaker> I probably would get B, BE, C1 and C1E would I apply to get my license re-written 12:34:39 <alluke> you cant drive even empty bus anymore with c 12:35:05 <alluke> unless you screw the seats off 12:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you still have 3? 12:35:17 <alluke> and register it into a truck 12:35:43 <peter1138> Cat D is 8 passenger seats, not passengers. 12:35:46 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes 12:35:59 <planetmaker> the pinkish license 12:36:13 <V453000> planetmaker: which license letter is for planets? :P 12:36:18 <planetmaker> that's p 12:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they were already phased out when i was old enough 12:36:33 <peter1138> I got my license just a few months before they stopped adding on so many categories by default. 12:36:43 <alluke> which licence is for unicorns 12:36:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7452f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:03 <peter1138> K 12:37:14 <planetmaker> my license is from 1994... so yeah, old git :P 12:37:35 <peter1138> 94... didn't realise you were that old 12:37:57 <V453000> he is ten times older than you might ever imagine 12:38:44 <alluke> back in 94 i was sucking tits 12:38:52 <planetmaker> not quite beluga-ish :P 12:39:02 *** Guest901 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:24 <peter1138> Mine is '96 12:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only 6 years older than mine 12:39:52 <LadyHawk> mines 19.12.08 12:40:01 <LadyHawk> with a 'wtf' story attached to it 12:41:19 <LadyHawk> got it just before christmas, lessons with the AA, 'almost ready' since march but refused to give me a mock test, went on went on.. bf went mad, suddenly the AA had no driving instructors in my area.. went to a different driving school which gave me 2 free hours to see how far i was 12:41:32 <LadyHawk> and i was told... why haven't you done ur test yet.. so i took the test 12:41:37 <LadyHawk> passed with 1 minor 12:42:50 <LadyHawk> apparently, since driving instructors are self employed, they want to try and 'stretch' your lessons on till after the holidays so they got some money 12:42:59 <alluke> drifting trucks is one of the best things you can do with your pants on 12:43:06 <LadyHawk> big places like the AA may seem great, but apparently, not 12:44:29 <LadyHawk> i'd like to learn how to drift one day 12:44:37 <alluke> its easy 12:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an AA? 12:44:51 <alluke> just floor it in curve and countersteer if neessary 12:44:58 <alluke> thats how i did it 12:45:08 <alluke> worked with 4wd lr defender too 12:45:15 <LadyHawk> the AA is a very big company that sorts out driving lessons/road side breakdown/insurrance/whole heap more 12:45:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, possibly the automobile association? 12:45:45 <LadyHawk> so how do you drive in a front wheel drive 12:45:56 <LadyHawk> that weighs as much as a balloon? 12:46:06 <LadyHawk> drift* 12:46:16 <alluke> havent tried 12:46:26 <alluke> but watch tiff needels videos in youtube 12:46:29 <LadyHawk> full lock and slam the accelerator doesn't work 12:46:31 <Eddi|zuHause> a balloon doesn't weigh anything, hence it floats... 12:46:41 <LadyHawk> just get massive understeer 12:47:02 <LadyHawk> assuming you can get the wheels to stop spinning anyway 12:47:07 <alluke> watch and learn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQNuKjTKv8 12:47:27 <alluke> and surprise your friends next time theyll ride in your car 12:47:39 <LadyHawk> OMG ford puma? i drive that haha 12:47:42 * LadyHawk watches 12:47:52 <alluke> perfect :D 12:47:58 <LadyHawk> silver too XD 12:48:06 <alluke> :D 12:49:33 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:49:49 <peter1138> Heh, the handbrake turn... not gonna work. 12:49:54 <alluke> why not 12:50:08 <peter1138> Cos my handbrake works on the front ;p 12:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i never felt the need to try out these things 12:51:20 <peter1138> Pretty stupid stuff to do on public roads. 12:51:32 <alluke> wtf is the point for that 12:51:45 <V453000> CATS 12:51:49 <alluke> gear locks the front wheels 12:51:50 <alluke> hb rear 12:53:05 <LadyHawk> heh 12:53:36 <peter1138> It allows the handbrake to be used as an emergency brake. 12:53:42 <LadyHawk> that guy in that video just said if u try to drift you 'get nothing but understeer, understeer and more boring understeer' then he sais 'so u gotta do it like this!' haha 12:53:57 <peter1138> That's not "that guy" 12:53:58 <LadyHawk> understeer, yes noticed 12:54:11 <peter1138> That's Tiff Needell. 12:54:12 <LadyHawk> understeer even in roundabouts 12:54:16 <LadyHawk> who? 12:54:18 <LadyHawk> XD 12:54:20 <peter1138> :s 12:54:24 <peter1138> How old are you? 12:54:28 <LadyHawk> 29 12:56:27 <LadyHawk> surprised? 12:56:47 <peter1138> Oh well. 12:57:08 <peter1138> Was a Top Gear presenter. 12:57:13 <peter1138> And a racing driver. 12:57:21 <LadyHawk> i watch top gear 12:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't. 12:57:45 <LadyHawk> only ever seen those 3 numpties, never him 12:58:00 <peter1138> Proper Top Gear, not Jemery Clarkson's Comedy Show. 12:58:04 <LadyHawk> lol 12:58:14 <peter1138> Jeremy, even... 12:58:20 <LadyHawk> then i dont watch top gear =) 12:58:30 <peter1138> (Jeremy was in the original Top Gear, mind you. 12:58:32 <peter1138> ) 13:00:15 *** mek42 [~chatzilla@cpe-74-79-37-40.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439]] 13:00:39 <alluke> my library got its 200th song yesterday 13:00:39 <peter1138> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWHG-Vqrv8 13:00:43 <alluke> 2000th* 13:00:45 <peter1138> Okay, they had some weird clips... 13:00:57 <peter1138> Potato quality :s 13:01:56 <LadyHawk> :O @ james may 13:02:05 <LadyHawk> haha he's so young there, never seen him like that XD 13:02:07 <peter1138> Looking very young. 13:02:23 <alluke> today they all have grey hair 13:10:55 <alluke> wish i had money http://www.nettiauto.com/ford/escort/6695513 13:13:44 <peter1138> For an old crappy Ford? :s 13:14:06 <alluke> aint she pretty little thing? 13:20:17 <LadyHawk> http://www.mr2.com/forums/threads/73202-Pristine-1995-Toyota-MR2-turbo 13:20:45 <LadyHawk> that's the kinda car i want 13:20:59 <LadyHawk> but a second gen toyota mr2 manual will do, too 13:22:17 <alluke> it can kill you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSZg2tFX_U 13:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a ford escort the past 2 years 13:23:32 <LadyHawk> i tend to drive with the heater on full at my feet, with the windows open slightly 13:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> now i have a golf... my cars seem to get older in every incarnation 13:26:04 <LadyHawk> hehe 13:26:10 <LadyHawk> this ford puma i drive is my 2nd car 13:26:23 <LadyHawk> my first car was a ford mondeo mark 1.. the only mondeo that had 4wd 13:26:25 <LadyHawk> i loved that thing 13:26:41 <LadyHawk> made snowdriving seem so easy 13:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf do you need 4wd for? 13:26:58 <LadyHawk> nobody believed me when i said it was a 4wd 13:27:07 <LadyHawk> till the scrap note confirmed it was a mark1 13:27:32 <LadyHawk> the car was £100 when i bought it 13:27:59 <LadyHawk> i wasn't complaining 13:28:04 <LadyHawk> was a good condition too 13:28:59 <LadyHawk> the car started falling apart, the cooling pipes, exhaust, etc.. but the engine, the heart of that car baffled any engineer working on it & mot testers alike cuz of its good condition 13:29:41 <LadyHawk> didn't realise when i bought it that it was 4wd, till i did research on it afterwards 13:30:06 <LadyHawk> i figured it was front wheel drive like the rest of the mondeos 13:30:23 <alluke> why the fuck did you scrap 4wd mondeo?????? 13:30:39 <LadyHawk> because a jack went through the back window, the bonnet and the boot 13:30:52 <LadyHawk> and the side window but that didn't break 13:31:12 <alluke> aww 13:31:16 <LadyHawk> i never wanted to scrap it 13:31:23 <LadyHawk> i loved that car 13:31:27 <alluke> those are rare 13:31:30 <LadyHawk> yeah 13:31:41 <alluke> did it drift well on snow 13:31:53 <LadyHawk> never tried 13:32:10 <alluke> fail 13:32:21 <LadyHawk> snow driving was insanely easy, my drive is on a big slope, that car was the only one to be able to get up there easily, while most, can't get up at all 13:32:23 <alluke> thats what you buy r/4wd car for 13:33:22 <LadyHawk> i can get a front whee ldrive up there, after a few attempts with a runup 13:33:33 <LadyHawk> but it's hard 13:33:40 <LadyHawk> i gtg to shop & get ready for work 13:34:37 <LadyHawk> on the bright side though 13:34:41 <LadyHawk> i got £250 for scrapping it 13:34:43 <LadyHawk> heh 13:34:44 <LadyHawk> afk 13:35:04 <alluke> only 13:35:10 <alluke> the parts alone are worth more 13:35:14 <LadyHawk> http://ladyhawk.flawlesscorruption.net/screens/car.JPG 13:35:19 <LadyHawk> my old mondeo 13:35:37 *** Taco [~kitty@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has joined #openttd 13:35:44 <alluke> nice 14:00:44 *** Zeetherdroid [~AndChat68@user-0c6t3g5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:51 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 15:02:16 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 15:13:15 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 15:20:21 *** pxr [~Mychomize@46-236-110-230.customer.t3.se] has joined #openttd 15:30:35 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 15:33:03 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 15:48:29 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:25 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:06:01 *** Luiz_ [~oftc-webi@4e566067.skybroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:00 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 16:28:19 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:28:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:29:07 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 16:44:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:10:17 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:29 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82f9ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:26 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:21 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:36 <__ln___> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6rL0ZMCEAAvb9n.jpg:large 17:41:55 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:42:02 <NGC3982> Oh my. 17:43:33 *** Haube1 [~Michi@31.7.56.131] has joined #openttd 17:43:37 <NGC3982> That link crached IE for me. :() 17:45:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27114 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2015-01-06 17:45:49 UTC) 17:45:59 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:00 <DorpsGek> catalan - 2 changes by juanjo 17:46:01 <DorpsGek> danish - 2 changes by Gankenstein 17:46:02 <DorpsGek> spanish - 5 changes by juanjo 17:49:17 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:58 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:50 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:02:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:01 <andythenorth> o/ 18:03:59 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 18:04:12 <Elyon> o/ 18:04:53 <Elyon> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p7owspveq teaser 18:06:27 <planetmaker> yet another programming language for newgrfs? 18:06:37 <Elyon> it's just stations 18:06:49 <Elyon> and it's just python 18:07:53 <andythenorth> itâs not miles away from how I do FIRS 18:08:00 <Elyon> :) 18:08:01 <Alberth> every run gives a unique newgrf? :) 18:08:07 <Elyon> haha no 18:08:13 <Elyon> the library seeds the rng 18:08:24 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/src/industries/aluminium_plant.py 18:09:46 <Elyon> ah :) 18:09:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:08 <frosch123> Elyon: i guess if you use nml.OutputGRF and derive some new class from nml.actions.BaseAction you can use the nml grf encoder 18:12:15 <frosch123> including sprite cache and stuff 18:12:35 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:40 <Elyon> frosch123: oh that's an interesting idea 18:13:29 <Alberth> andythenorth: configurable goal timeout length 18:13:33 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has joined #openttd 18:13:35 <andythenorth> ho ho :) 18:13:44 <Elyon> frosch123: so I just get nml source and dig in? 18:13:48 * andythenorth needs to get back onto ottd stuff 18:13:56 <andythenorth> I shipped some grfs and then stopped for a bit :P 18:14:03 <Alberth> christmas is done :) 18:14:15 <andythenorth> yeah 18:14:19 <andythenorth> tax return less so 18:14:35 <Alberth> hmm, sounds useful to spend time on :) 18:14:45 <andythenorth> âuseful' 18:14:58 <Alberth> depending on howm "return" you get 18:15:04 <Alberth> *how much 18:15:55 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82f9ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:16:18 <frosch123> Elyon: i guess you can take main.py and remove everything that deals with the nml syntax. i guess starting from line 281 you can reuse stuff 18:17:10 <frosch123> at that point there is a list of actions 18:17:18 <Elyon> I'll definitely look into it 18:17:19 <frosch123> you probably need to reuse RealSpriteAction 18:17:34 <frosch123> but for the pseudo sprites you can likely just create a new derived class 18:17:43 <Elyon> frosch123: thanks a lot for the insights 18:22:20 <andythenorth> wow, over a year since last FIRS update 18:22:24 <andythenorth> where did that time go? 18:22:30 <andythenorth> and nothing planned on FIRS either 18:22:34 <andythenorth> that set is dead maybe? 18:23:50 <planetmaker> maybe 'done' 18:24:36 <andythenorth> about the same 18:24:48 <andythenorth> âno longer of interest to its authorsâ 18:25:36 <andythenorth> perhaps? 18:28:07 <Alberth> yeti is the new kid on the block 18:30:17 <andythenorth> well 18:30:22 <andythenorth> maybe itâs a competition :) 18:31:03 <Alberth> :O 18:31:14 <Elyon> :1 18:31:15 <Alberth> who's best in 5 randomly selected categories? 18:32:28 <andythenorth> dunno, I never saw industry sets as a competition 18:32:31 <andythenorth> maybe I should :P 18:36:32 <Alberth> write a game script for coding goals? 18:41:20 <Elyon> {w 18:41:24 <Elyon> err 18:41:31 <Elyon> mistakes were made 18:43:05 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:37 <Alberth> where would be the challenge, otherwise? :) 19:11:18 * andythenorth could use a bit less of that kind of challenge :P 19:11:27 * andythenorth makes a lot of mistakes 19:14:01 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:16 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3BF9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:36:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.162.154.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:36:08 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:57:31 *** Nothing4You [N4Y@nothing4you.w.tf-w.tf] has quit [Quit: Gone...] 20:02:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B664.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B664.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:13 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-81-207.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:24 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:19:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B664.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:21 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B664.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-81-207.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:11 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:15 *** shadowalker [~dark@le.shadownet.io] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 20:34:23 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:36:38 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:05 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:02 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:29 <Elyon> well well nml 20:55:22 <frosch123> does it rhyme? 20:55:27 <Elyon> it duz! 20:55:54 <Elyon> so yeah, working my way through repurposing the nml module for my own diabolical ends 20:56:11 <Elyon> there's a lot of strictness involved compared to my little thingie :p 20:56:14 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.162.154.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:18 <Elyon> I can't just write `0` 20:56:27 <Elyon> I have to write `expression.ConstantNumeric(0)` 20:56:53 <frosch123> yeah, every expression has a Position assigned 20:56:56 <frosch123> for error messages 20:57:01 <Elyon> it's neat 20:57:17 <Elyon> a bit unwieldy, but the GRF developer needs not know of these anyway 20:58:12 <Elyon> makes sense, really. I find an often-occurring proportionality between framework 'ease-of-use', and framework complexity 20:59:34 <Elyon> also, while I've been developing with ruby for a good 6 years, python doesn't seem too bad 20:59:40 <Elyon> except regex syntax, yuck 21:00:03 <frosch123> aren't all regex pcre these days? 21:00:05 <frosch123> does ruby do something else? 21:00:17 <Elyon> ruby has regex as a built-in type 21:01:26 <Elyon> '0xdeadbeef'.match(/0x([0-9A-Fa-f][0-9A-Fa-f]*)/)[1] => 'deadbeef' 21:01:33 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3BF9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:01:42 <V453000> XD that line makes me shiver 21:01:50 <Elyon> wai? 21:02:07 <frosch123> that's not too different to python, is it? 21:02:21 <Elyon> does python support the // syntax? 21:02:34 <Elyon> /<regex>/<config> I mean? 21:03:53 <V453000> idk, when I see the various unreadable characters it just creates some strange laughter inside :D 21:04:00 <frosch123> re.match('0x([0-9A-Fa-f][0-9A-Fa-f]*)', '0xdeadbeef')[0] 21:04:05 <V453000> yeah that XD 21:04:18 <frosch123> no, python uses classes instead of special operators 21:04:29 <frosch123> it already has 3 levels of generic string quotations 21:04:37 <frosch123> no need for another / quotation mark 21:04:39 <Elyon> it's not an operator, it's a delimiter 21:04:47 <Elyon> and regexes aren't strings 21:05:00 <Elyon> imho I like how ruby/js has regex as a builtin 21:05:41 <frosch123> your line from above does look the same to me as in python 21:05:50 <frosch123> just the order of pattern and string are swapped 21:06:02 <frosch123> and python uses string quotation instead of a special / 21:06:08 <Elyon> match "\dx" for me then :p 21:06:29 <Elyon> nah, it gets unwieldy with escapes when regexes are strings imho 21:06:48 <frosch123> python has 3 different quotation marks to choose from 21:06:55 <Elyon> yeah 21:06:56 <frosch123> that's way easier than / 21:07:08 <Elyon> hmm 21:08:00 <frosch123> esp. with the triple """ marks you never run into any escape issues 21:08:04 <Elyon> I prefer /<re>/<cfg>, but that may just be my penchant for vim that does it 21:08:13 <Elyon> hmm that's true actually. 21:08:44 <frosch123> when using sed or awk in scripts you can always pick a custom escape character, but with inserting shell variables it always fails in some case :p 21:09:02 <Elyon> I don't see how any of them are easier than `/` though. anything delimited by two `/` is inherently a regex, whereas in python you have to be explicit with the re module 21:09:37 <Elyon> besides, ruby obv. has a Regex class you can use if for some arcane reason the delimiters don't match your issue solving 21:09:58 <Elyon> I'm not saying `/` is easier, just that I don't find """ easier than `/` 21:10:01 <frosch123> well, i don't know about ruby syntax, but it looks to me like "match" is a method of the string class 21:10:03 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:10:05 <Elyon> or " or ' for that matter 21:10:26 <Elyon> wait I may have put it down wrong, lemme see what I wrote 21:10:51 <Elyon> yeah it's the other way around, my mistake 21:10:57 <Elyon> anyway, syntactic sugar abound: 21:10:57 <andythenorth> ugh, passing shell vars from python reliably 21:11:07 * andythenorth got smacked by that recently 21:11:19 <Elyon> '0xdeadbeef'[/0x([0-9A-Fa-f][0-9A-Fa-f]*)/][1] => 'deadbeef' 21:11:34 <andythenorth> http://pymotw.com/2/shlex/ seemed to help 21:12:00 <frosch123> oh, a regular expression for the [] operator? 21:12:06 <Elyon> I'm not bashing python by the way, I just like the conciseness of ruby's regex syntax. Ruby has nothing on python's list comprehension 21:12:08 <frosch123> looks fancy :) 21:12:10 <Elyon> indeed 21:12:27 <Elyon> abstract 'indexing' into a string with a regex :3 21:12:38 <frosch123> don't worry, every language for it's purpose 21:13:02 <Elyon> I must admit the lack of 'switch' was one of the reasons I haven't gotten around to python until just now 21:13:16 <frosch123> i like knowing 20+ languages, and choosing one for each task 21:13:19 <Elyon> but it's okay, if/elif is more powerful anyway 21:13:22 <Elyon> yeah :) 21:13:27 <Elyon> I don't know how many I know 21:13:29 <andythenorth> youâll get by without switch :) 21:13:35 <Elyon> probably only 7-8 really well 21:13:36 * andythenorth doesnât know a single language :( 21:13:47 <frosch123> oh, python does not have switch? ... i haven't even noticed that :p 21:13:54 <frosch123> i guess i did not need it for some reason 21:14:06 <Elyon> it's syntactic sugar in highlevel languages anyway 21:14:25 <Elyon> and if you're lacking performance then what are you doing with an interpreted language anyway :p 21:16:17 <Elyon> I just like the `case year; when (1900..2000): puts 'lol last millenium'; else puts 'THE FUTURE IS NOW (or 115 years ago)'; end 21:16:29 <Elyon> that looks hideous as a oneliner 21:16:34 <Elyon> s/;/\n/g 21:17:18 <Elyon> long story short: python is treating me nicely, and I'm not a fangirl 21:17:21 <andythenorth> use the âweirdâ python ternary ope in that case :) 21:17:28 <andythenorth> for switching two things 21:17:30 <andythenorth> âweirdâ 21:17:32 <Elyon> although I still kind of dread the 'pythonic' term or w/e 21:17:46 <Elyon> I didn't think python had ?: 21:17:49 <frosch123> yeah, the ternery in python is insane 21:17:50 <Elyon> or wait 21:17:55 <andythenorth> I love the python ternary 21:17:58 <frosch123> Elyon: exaclty it does not have ? : 21:18:00 <andythenorth> it works like my brain 21:18:03 <frosch123> it has something silly 21:18:05 * andythenorth is not a programmer 21:18:18 * andythenorth is probably only two steps away from âsomeone who would like perl' 21:18:23 <andythenorth> although I read a perl script once 21:18:30 <frosch123> "condition ? a : b" in various languages -> "a if condition else b" in python 21:18:39 <frosch123> i.e. the condition is between the choices :/ 21:18:42 <Elyon> oh that's ... yeah 21:18:53 <Elyon> I've used that syntax in list comprehensions without realising it worked in general 21:18:59 <andythenorth> thatâs how my brain works 21:19:21 <andythenorth> we used to use something which is considered hideous apparently 21:19:27 <andythenorth> (a, b)[condition] 21:19:34 <andythenorth> which is neat and terse 21:19:37 <Elyon> considering it's evaluated strictly `condition -> select(a, b)`, that syntax is oddpants 21:20:00 <Elyon> `cond ? a : b` is pretty logical as well, I find 21:20:09 <Elyon> it's basically just `if cond then a else b` 21:20:26 <andythenorth> the tuple thing has caused some other people âwtfâ when I write it 21:20:49 <Elyon> ah, yes, tuples <3 21:20:58 <Elyon> lacking in ruby as well 21:21:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: as 'wtf' as when i see something writing "condition == true" ? 21:21:24 <frosch123> *someone 21:21:26 <Elyon> :D 21:21:30 <Elyon> or even worse 21:21:36 <Elyon> if condition == true: 21:21:39 <Elyon> return true 21:21:43 <Elyon> else: return false 21:21:52 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:21:58 <frosch123> oh, true, that is also popular :) 21:22:09 <andythenorth> frosch123: thatâs usually just a sign of someone who canât let go of the way from other languages :) 21:22:19 <andythenorth> took me a couple of years to trust that True really is true 21:22:33 <Elyon> or someone who has taken the `intro to programming` course and is ready to conquer the world 21:22:36 <andythenorth> age, experience, application of common sense 21:22:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: the problem is C :p where true is not necessary true 21:22:58 <Elyon> although in fairness, I wrote a program 15 years ago that put 100 empty files on the desktop. It was 100 lines long 21:23:07 <frosch123> if true is != 0, then there can be multiple trues 21:23:26 <Elyon> well most things in c are true 21:23:34 <Elyon> if you include <bool.h> anyway 21:23:40 <Elyon> else no things are true 21:23:54 <Elyon> actually that's wrong 21:24:08 <Elyon> they evaluate to true if used as conditions, but won't compare to `true` 21:26:48 <Elyon> anyway, on with the nml 21:39:50 <andythenorth> :) 21:43:04 <V453000> :) 21:48:42 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:45 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 22:07:32 <andythenorth> bye 22:07:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:39:03 *** quorzom_ [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:06 *** Zeetherdroid [~AndChat68@user-0c6t3g5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:31 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:33 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:a8c2:5439:e4c9:524b] has quit [Quit: .] 22:57:45 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has joined #openttd 23:02:07 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 23:03:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7452f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:08:36 *** Haube1 [~Michi@31.7.56.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:14 *** MJP_ [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 23:33:57 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:52 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd