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00:01:13 <supermop> [Knmlc ERROR: nmlc: An internal error has occurred: nmlc-version: unknown Error: (IndexError) "pop from empty list". Command: ['nmlc', 'moprv55.nml'] Location: File "nml\free_number_list.py", line 74, in pop 00:01:20 <supermop> oops 00:01:30 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 00:02:39 <supermop> sounds ominous 00:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well, certainly that error bleeding out is a bug, but it's basically just telling you you've run out of ids 00:12:40 <Mazur> Anyway, it seems openttd 1.7.2 and trunk 27951 get stuck when I try to use: -n [host].openttdcoop.org 00:13:04 <Mazur> Without, they start fine. 00:30:21 *** Samu has quit IRC 01:03:02 *** beno has quit IRC 01:25:14 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 01:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "On Wednesday, Angela Merkel is now in office longer than Adolf Hitler" 01:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is probably not a record) 01:59:42 <supermop> how long was kohl in? 02:04:49 <supermop> ok finally got it to compile 02:05:23 <supermop> was able to get rid of a chunk of those x = y expressions 02:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i think kohl was around 14-ish years, where merkel has just over 12 now 02:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and kohl only narrowly beat out adenauer, i think 02:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure wikipedia knows that more accurately 02:08:28 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 02:08:40 <supermop> in my childhood mind it seemed like kohl was the leader of german forever 02:09:11 <supermop> and was notable because as a kid i enjoyed that his name sounded like helmet 02:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> well, assuming you don't really notice any reasonable amount of politics before age 5, then you could have been 21 and never knew another chancellor 02:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 19 02:59:20 <supermop> im not quite that old 02:59:22 <supermop> but 03:42:56 *** ToffeeYogurtPots_ has joined #openttd 03:44:28 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 04:01:32 *** supermop has quit IRC 04:33:10 *** Cubey has quit IRC 04:34:56 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 04:39:11 *** glx has quit IRC 04:52:00 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 05:13:27 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 05:13:50 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 05:23:53 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 05:25:44 *** ToffeeYogurtPots_ has quit IRC 05:26:02 *** ToffeeYogurtPots_ has joined #openttd 05:27:16 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 05:31:58 *** dustinm` has quit IRC 05:38:10 *** dustinm` has joined #openttd 06:02:26 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 06:03:06 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 06:07:35 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 06:35:04 *** rahul has joined #openttd 06:35:26 <rahul> hi, anyone having trouble going to openttd.org ? 06:36:48 <rahul> anyone?? 06:44:05 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 06:44:36 <rahul> ?? 06:52:04 *** rahul has quit IRC 07:03:38 *** drdoom has joined #openttd 07:33:25 *** drdoom has quit IRC 07:39:17 *** bwn has quit IRC 07:48:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 07:48:38 <ToffeeYogurtPots> rahul: I'm having trouble too, not just you. 07:49:25 <ToffeeYogurtPots> 504 gateway time-out 07:52:14 *** bwn has joined #openttd 08:13:58 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 08:18:56 *** DDR has joined #openttd 08:21:35 <Arveen> same time-out for me too 08:21:47 <Arveen> nginx rekt 08:30:53 <LordAro> so it is 08:31:23 <LordAro> TrueBrain: ottd.org is down 08:46:23 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 09:12:16 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 09:19:40 *** Flygon has quit IRC 09:30:10 <dihedral> good morning 09:33:29 <Sacro> ottd.org is NXDOMAIN 09:35:44 <dihedral> human behaviour when a website is not functioning as expected is rather interesting 09:49:35 <LordAro> Sacro: i was assuming TB could expand the abbreviation himself ;) 10:04:37 <Sacro> Does TB still exist? 10:04:44 <Sacro> Or is he a myth 10:04:57 <Sacro> Also the number of people that expand the TTD is too damn high 10:07:51 *** drdoom has joined #openttd 10:22:36 *** Gja has joined #openttd 10:29:50 *** DDR has quit IRC 10:57:20 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 10:57:50 <dihedral> Sacro, that was once - is that still the case= 11:00:10 <Sacro> dihedral: hm? 11:00:38 <dihedral> I recall people extending TTD a few years back - but is that still true today? 11:01:00 <dihedral> a reply 50 minutes later :-S 11:01:39 <Sacro> Oh, I think even Twitch does it 11:02:30 *** efess` has joined #openttd 11:04:29 *** efess has quit IRC 11:14:23 <dihedral> T-who? 11:15:00 <Sacro> twitch.tv :P 11:15:03 <Sacro> or whatever it is now 11:21:10 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 11:25:07 <planetmaker> hm, Openttd.org is down 11:27:09 <__ln__> totally unacceptable during business hours, how is anyone going to get any work done now 11:35:20 <planetmaker> that's the question 11:36:43 <planetmaker> bad thing: I have the power to reboot the whole physical server. But not the power to reboot the webserver VM which seems the only one being down :D 11:45:30 <LordAro> whatcouldgowrong.jpg 12:01:51 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 12:05:13 <Sacro> planetmaker: reboot all the things 12:25:20 *** Samu has joined #openttd 12:31:00 *** Flygon__ has joined #openttd 12:38:40 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 13:16:37 <dihedral> planetmaker, sighup the webservices process :-P 13:23:52 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 13:28:26 *** synchris has joined #openttd 13:40:54 <planetmaker> dihedral, err-no-root 13:43:31 <SpComb> kill -CONT $(pidof TrueBrain) 13:43:47 <dihedral> kill TrueBrain?? 13:43:59 *** supermop has joined #openttd 13:44:10 <SpComb> you're intentionally misunderstanding unix terminology :( 13:44:32 <dihedral> :-P 13:44:49 <dihedral> just trying to bring back some old sparks :-) 13:48:05 <planetmaker> something needs to re-ignite the coal trains ;) 13:53:23 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 14:00:57 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 14:01:10 *** supermop has 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the same cat that spammed chat a few days ago :( 16:35:24 <Samu> my other cat, which is older, seems more healthy 16:36:10 <Samu> there was a week he was sneezing blood, though, but it stopped doing that 16:38:15 <Samu> they're both old, I know :( 16:42:50 *** beno has joined #openttd 16:53:52 *** Mahjong1 has joined #openttd 17:01:23 *** Mahjong has quit IRC 17:02:02 *** beno has quit IRC 17:06:11 *** ich has joined #openttd 17:07:28 *** beno has joined #openttd 17:16:56 <Samu> been looking my cats 17:17:08 <Samu> had one in 1998, died in 2009 17:17:29 <Samu> then 2 in 2003, kiko and tintim 17:17:33 <Samu> both alive 17:17:39 <Samu> another in 2099, alive 17:17:42 <Samu> oops 2009 17:17:52 <Samu> one other in 2010, alive 17:18:36 <Samu> and one other which birth date is really unknown, but it's assumed somewhere in 2007, 2008 17:18:54 <Samu> wasn't mine until 2013 17:19:41 <Samu> 5 cats 17:20:06 <Samu> well, 6, one died already 17:38:13 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:41:01 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:42:49 *** john-aj has joined #openttd 17:52:59 <Samu> https://www.openttd.org/en/ can't open this site :( 17:56:22 <Samu> 504 Gateway Time-out nginx/1.9.10 18:00:26 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:00:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:01:27 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:04:17 *** Coobies has joined #openttd 18:06:12 *** nahkiss_ has joined #openttd 18:06:33 *** dustinm`_ has joined #openttd 18:09:20 *** Cubey has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** dustinm` has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** nahkiss has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** Extrems has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** Maarten has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** jinks has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** ccfreak2k has quit IRC 18:09:20 *** dustinm`_ is now known as dustinm` 18:09:20 *** nahkiss_ is now known as nahkiss 18:10:36 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:11:48 *** Alberth has left #openttd 18:12:13 *** jinks has joined #openttd 18:12:16 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 18:12:28 *** Maarten has joined #openttd 18:12:30 *** OsteHovel has joined #openttd 18:19:23 <LordAro> planetmaker: looks like the site went down again 18:25:18 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:28:47 <peter1138> Time for... 18:28:56 <peter1138> Hmm, something in VR 18:33:13 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:33:21 <Wolf01> o/ 18:42:40 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:42:45 <Wolf01> Cat 18:42:55 *** gooodger has quit IRC 18:43:18 <andythenorth> yo 18:43:26 *** goodger has joined #openttd 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27969 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2018-02-23 19:45:38 +0100 ) 18:45:46 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 18:45:47 <DorpsGek> danish: 22 changes by Knogle 18:47:06 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:50:09 <LordAro> frosch123: fix yo website 18:50:14 <LordAro> also quak 18:50:21 <Wolf01> Quak 18:55:23 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:57:00 <frosch123> LordAro: apparently it is due to some german teeny streamer 18:57:15 <frosch123> ("teeny" refering to the target group, not the streamer himself) 18:57:42 <LordAro> oh huh, it's actually just being effectively ddos'd? 18:58:37 <frosch123> no idea, but the last fix did only last 4 hours or so :) 19:07:27 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 19:10:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:20:40 <andythenorth> Friday is not a code day 19:27:43 <Wolf01> I wanted to go to the pub but I'm too much tired :( 19:35:38 <andythenorth> I am having coffee 19:35:43 <andythenorth> breaking all rules, crazy 19:41:15 <andythenorth> hmm, such ships 19:41:15 <andythenorth> would anyone like to subscribe to Unsinkable Sam newsletter? 19:43:11 <Wolf01> Newsletter maybe not, but I use a lot the RSS feeds 19:43:43 <andythenorth> I have drawn 2 different ship hulls :P 19:43:49 <andythenorth> very progress 19:44:03 <andythenorth> they look almost like Squid 19:44:14 <andythenorth> but the lengths are correct, and the lighting is somewhat fixed 19:47:10 <andythenorth> I can make most of the set with 6 hulls, so eh 19:47:22 <supermop_work> i drew some beer crate cargo sprites 19:47:33 <andythenorth> nice 19:47:38 <andythenorth> I never bothered :) 19:47:43 <andythenorth> beer in silver barrels ;P 19:48:02 <supermop_work> andythenorth: that is also an option per switch 19:48:20 <supermop_work> kegs vs cases of green bottles 19:48:47 <supermop_work> could do wood barrels pre-1900 19:49:15 <supermop_work> need some switch that guesses whether the BEER was picked up near a brewery or winery 19:49:35 <supermop_work> RV sprite navel gazing will continue until town road nml time 19:51:02 <supermop_work> i already made doors to see into box trailer while loading 19:51:38 <supermop_work> and once i had cardboard boxes in stacks, might as well make stillages of bottles 19:52:37 <supermop_work> recolor green glass to snow colors for milk 19:53:17 <supermop_work> though usually the dairy farm doesn't send milk to the creamery already in bottles 19:57:29 <TrueBrain> in case someone comes in yelling they cannot reach openttd.org (over HTTP) .. I just blacklisted a single IP .. was polling his server < 5 seconds apart ... someone didnt get the memo about "fair use" and a 5 minute cache time .. :P 19:58:00 <TrueBrain> s/his server/his server page/ 19:58:15 <LordAro> he awakes! 19:58:16 <Wolf01> Fine 19:58:35 <TrueBrain> some Java app 19:58:36 <TrueBrain> dunno 19:58:38 <TrueBrain> don't care :P 19:58:52 <LordAro> wait, what was it polling? 19:59:04 <TrueBrain> the /server/SOME NUMBER page 19:59:11 <LordAro> isn't one of the admin console things written in java? 19:59:25 <TrueBrain> dunno .. UA is only Java_version 19:59:38 <TrueBrain> people who write tools should learn to customize UA, so server owners can contact them :) 19:59:41 <TrueBrain> owh well .. 19:59:47 <TrueBrain> still no clue why Django is failing on us .. 19:59:59 <LordAro> nah, just identify as Mozilla, all done 20:00:05 <LordAro> that's all user agents do, right? 20:00:56 <LordAro> TrueBrain: while you're here, when was the last time you thought about upgrading off wheezy? 20:01:19 <TrueBrain> months ago; most systems run Jessie :P why? 20:01:34 <LordAro> it pains me how old the wiki is, mostly :) 20:01:55 <TrueBrain> nobody wants to maintain it .. what can I say? :P 20:02:02 <TrueBrain> and mediawiki made upgrading a true pain in the .... 20:02:16 <LordAro> that's not been my experience of it 20:02:31 <LordAro> i did a similar upgrade at work a few months ago 20:02:36 <TrueBrain> they keep changing configuration .. so I have to find out again how some stuff works ... 20:02:40 <TrueBrain> and I hate figuring stuff out :P 20:02:45 <LordAro> ^^ 20:02:50 <TrueBrain> (LDAP integration mostly) 20:03:06 <LordAro> as luck would have it, i had to do that as well ;) 20:03:26 <TrueBrain> but mainly, I am totally puzzled why django stops responding ... 20:03:39 <TrueBrain> the server is not stressed, everything is normal ... 20:03:51 <LordAro> how odd 20:04:07 <TrueBrain> it is only a single django instance .. and twice in 24h .. 20:04:11 <TrueBrain> no weird URLs or something 20:05:01 <LordAro> no stack traces anywhere? 20:05:11 <TrueBrain> nothing crashed 20:05:57 <LordAro> those are the fun ones 20:06:12 <TrueBrain> all I see is that one worker stops responding .. a bit later the next .... 20:06:35 <TrueBrain> no disks full or something 20:06:59 <LordAro> (in case i didn't drop enough hints, i'm happy to do the wiki upgrade for you, should you be willing ;) ) 20:07:57 <TrueBrain> sadly, I have no easy way to give you selective access like that 20:08:20 <TrueBrain> so I will have to check how we are going to arrange that 20:08:45 <LordAro> np :p 20:08:46 <Wolf01> Just give him full access ;) 20:08:56 <glx> money + first child as guarantee :) 20:09:03 <LordAro> :D 20:09:35 <LordAro> i don't have any significant experience with django so i can't help you there, i'm afraid 20:10:29 <TrueBrain> 60% uses SSL these days on openttd.org 20:11:16 <TrueBrain> 50/50 based on IP 20:11:41 <Wolf01> What do one needs to be the next TB? :P 20:12:36 <TrueBrain> 10% is IPv6 20:12:38 <TrueBrain> just some random stats 20:12:48 <LordAro> why not redirect everything to https? 20:12:59 <TrueBrain> we considered it .. a few pages already are 20:13:17 <TrueBrain> but 30+% doesn't use SSL .. HTST is on .. so .. are those people who cant do SSL? 20:14:02 <LordAro> weird java applications? :p 20:14:28 <frosch123> ie4 users? 20:14:46 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:14:58 <TrueBrain> wow .... a VERY low amount of users use HTTP/2.0 20:15:02 <TrueBrain> that is not what I epxected 20:15:42 <TrueBrain> guess the server needs some updating for proper support or something 20:15:43 <LordAro> i just added a couple 20:15:49 <LordAro> :p 20:16:16 <TrueBrain> my Chrome doesn't pick up on the HTTP/2.0 20:16:43 <TrueBrain> still no clue what django has been doing ... lets hope it is not repeating itself again :D 20:17:12 <TrueBrain> anyway, server maintaince .. how ever I look at it, the best way forward is to reinstall some stuff 20:17:25 <TrueBrain> we also have a CF upgrade which is "almost done" 20:17:28 <TrueBrain> and badly needed 20:17:33 <LordAro> hmm yeah, my chrome doesn't either 20:17:35 <LordAro> curl does it fine though 20:17:51 <TrueBrain> most likely nginx is a bit too old for it to work properly 20:18:06 <LordAro> 1.9.10 isn't *that* old... 20:18:15 <TrueBrain> no, but http/2 got some love 20:18:21 <LordAro> mm 20:18:47 <TrueBrain> FlySpray should be replaced with something that is maintained 20:19:06 <TrueBrain> I have been trying to push the devs towards git, and use GitHub as main repo :P No clue where that conversation ended :) 20:19:27 <LordAro> probably the last time the website fell over :p 20:19:40 <LordAro> hey, flyspray had a release in octover 20:19:44 <LordAro> october* 20:20:00 *** synchris has quit IRC 20:20:02 <TrueBrain> yeah ......... 20:20:38 <TrueBrain> I was hoping frosch123 and co agrees on GitHub, as then we have both an issue tracker and source-code manager :P 20:20:39 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i moved half of my obsolete branches to github 20:20:52 <TrueBrain> \o/ 20:20:56 <frosch123> i am fine with code on github 20:21:10 <TrueBrain> also as main? 20:21:22 <frosch123> but when flyspray is shut down i want a static copy of the closed bugs 20:21:42 <TrueBrain> FS doesnt need to shut down, as far as I care .. just not actively used :D 20:21:46 <frosch123> why i could ofc wget myself :p 20:22:00 <LordAro> still got the issue of the CI, but presumably bamboo can be pointed at github 20:22:09 <LordAro> of course it can, it already is 20:22:10 <TrueBrain> webhooks 20:22:11 <TrueBrain> will be fine :) 20:22:33 <TrueBrain> but it also means you can use those CIs out there that do other things than compile code :P 20:22:44 <LordAro> when google code shut down, their github importer also transferred closed issues, could look at doing something like that as well 20:23:08 <TrueBrain> either way, LDAP also needs a reinstall, as it is configured wrong to work smoothly these days with modern Debians 20:23:37 <TrueBrain> we have musad + ottd_content + BaNaNaS ... which are running something I dont dare to speak of 20:23:51 <TrueBrain> main website .. 20:24:01 <TrueBrain> guess I should make a nice list :) 20:24:23 <TrueBrain> frosch123: if (IF!) we would be to move to GitHub, would there be any need to keep an SVN mirror and/or HG mirror? 20:24:43 <TrueBrain> or is that more for people who want to use that, to figure out? 20:24:44 <LordAro> pretty sure github itself still has a svn mirror 20:24:55 <LordAro> *fairly* sure that wasn't just an april fool 20:24:58 * LordAro checks 20:25:13 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i don't think anyone would miss svn, albert may be the last one to use hg 20:25:27 <frosch123> but iirc albert also uses git at work 20:25:33 <TrueBrain> so that is good ... using PRs as workflow also would really benefit the project 20:26:13 <TrueBrain> as I can see currently, BaNaNaS is the biggest one to replace 20:26:31 <frosch123> i would hope for more compiled experimental versions 20:26:54 <TrueBrain> with git it becomes a lot easier 20:27:02 <TrueBrain> lot of CI stuff can just compile all branches of a certain type 20:27:07 <TrueBrain> without configuration 20:27:16 <LordAro> yup, github svn still works 20:27:26 <LordAro> which is neat, in its own weird way 20:27:27 <TrueBrain> so anyone who can create a new branch, can create an experimental version 20:27:32 <TrueBrain> LordAro: it is 20:27:52 <TrueBrain> I once rewrote the OpenTTD website into Angular .. to realise no tools could make non-javascript stuff from that 20:27:57 <TrueBrain> but these days we do have those tools 20:27:57 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 20:28:01 <TrueBrain> worth looking into I guess 20:28:04 <andythenorth> I go afk for 10 mins 20:28:07 <andythenorth> and all this happens :P 20:28:10 <andythenorth> nothing for months 20:28:15 <TrueBrain> 10 minutes? In what timezone ARE YOU?! 20:28:15 <andythenorth> then I miss all fun 20:28:20 <LordAro> might want to think about where build configuration is stored 20:28:30 <TrueBrain> what build-configuration you refer to? 20:28:39 <LordAro> well, CI config or build config itself, really 20:28:43 <andythenorth> I am in the TZ where 3 mins = 1 min UTC 20:28:47 <andythenorth> it really fucks with you 20:28:47 <TrueBrain> normally you put that in git 20:28:50 *** beno is now known as Thedarkb 20:28:59 <LordAro> if you open it up to jonny randomer, it has the potential for abuse via PRs 20:29:05 <andythenorth> imagine how much worse TZ would be if there were relative units 20:29:07 <LordAro> unless properly sandboxed, of course 20:29:19 <TrueBrain> no no, you got me wrong there :) Only people we allow can create branches ;) 20:29:38 <TrueBrain> but yes, the new CF we (me and frosch123) months ago nearly finished (except for Windows :@), uses Docker 20:29:41 <TrueBrain> so "sandboxed" 20:29:54 <TrueBrain> possibly run CoreOS under it for some extra security, I guess 20:30:25 <TrueBrain> but branch creation always needs some form of restriction 20:30:31 <TrueBrain> CPU time is too expensive 20:30:54 <andythenorth> we (work) use jenkins CI and limit branches built 20:30:58 <andythenorth> because AWS time costs money 20:31:34 <LordAro> probably want to consider some sort of bot that can be triggered to build things then 20:31:45 <TrueBrain> that is another approach 20:31:46 <LordAro> something similar to how Rust does it 20:31:48 <TrueBrain> just any github fork 20:31:58 <TrueBrain> can the bot be on Discord? :P 20:32:07 <andythenorth> can you shout at it then? 20:32:11 <TrueBrain> yes! 20:32:14 <andythenorth> 'stupid bot, stop building' 20:32:15 <LordAro> i was thinking via github comments :p 20:32:31 <TrueBrain> funny enough, didnt think about that one 20:32:32 <TrueBrain> example? 20:32:37 <TrueBrain> as that can be pretty cool 20:32:46 <TrueBrain> then you don't even need branches 20:33:09 <LordAro> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/48472 bors is the bot 20:34:11 <andythenorth> github has worked fine for NotRoadTypes, for the record 20:34:36 <TrueBrain> I really like the idea that a dev can leave in a PR something so a binary is created for anyone to download 20:35:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: what do you think? 20:36:19 <LordAro> artifacts provided by the CI would work for that 20:36:29 <TrueBrain> rust really went overbored there I see 20:36:30 <TrueBrain> lol 20:36:56 <LordAro> they did a bit 20:36:59 <frosch123> as i see it, there is noone who wants to review stuff. so there are two ways to continue: either drop everything into trunk and let it die, or compile like 10 custom versions and offer them for download 20:37:02 <LordAro> but hey, it seems to work for them 20:37:49 <LordAro> i think there's several people who want to review stuff 20:37:54 <frosch123> i like the way that makes stable ottd only one version of many 20:38:04 <LordAro> there's not enough people who are *allowed* to review stuff 20:38:18 <TrueBrain> frosch123: what do you mean? 20:38:24 <frosch123> LordAro: the only one who was interested in supporting stuff in the past year got under a car 20:38:38 <TrueBrain> who got under a car? 20:38:47 <LordAro> wut 20:39:04 <frosch123> adf88 is gone for 6 months from one day to another on all platforms 20:39:14 <TrueBrain> meh :( 20:39:26 <andythenorth> the only way reviewers learn 20:39:31 <andythenorth> is by shipping bugs to production 20:39:36 <andythenorth> and having to wear a brown bag 20:39:39 <frosch123> either he's in jail for protesting against polish government or got under a car 20:40:11 <frosch123> so, i suggest the gcc way 20:40:34 <frosch123> keep ottd stable as it is, add a bunch of competing branches, and if they make it, let them replace stable 20:40:45 <andythenorth> +1 20:41:06 <TrueBrain> or what-ever happens after that, but I fully agree that making it easier to build/publish versions helps 20:41:07 <andythenorth> there's probably some evolutionary metaphor :P 20:41:11 <LordAro> huh 20:41:16 <TrueBrain> so lets make that the focus point :) 20:41:41 <andythenorth> more of it is other people's problem? o_O 20:41:49 <TrueBrain> it still makes me laugh that we have more multiplayer server than clients playing :D 20:42:26 <TrueBrain> so, if we move the main code to GitHub, it means we have to create tooling around GitHub to make everything shiny 20:42:37 <frosch123> well, if you find a method to make idle ottd servers host a distributed compile farm :p 20:42:54 <andythenorth> also mine crypt 20:42:58 <TrueBrain> honestly, we have plenty of CPU time for OpenTTD and all its patches 20:42:59 <andythenorth> while we're there 20:43:05 <LordAro> :D 20:43:13 <andythenorth> did we include a crypto AI yet? 20:43:14 <TrueBrain> 8 cores are sitting idling, most of the time 20:43:24 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: no, we are not evil 20:43:37 <andythenorth> we aren't 20:43:43 <andythenorth> some of us might be 20:43:54 <TrueBrain> either way, most stuff OpenTTD does (on website etc) with VCS, is done via a svn:// link .. so that is easy to move 20:44:00 <TrueBrain> any plans for BaNaNaS? 20:44:08 <andythenorth> there ought to be 20:44:31 <frosch123> bananans will have to survive for a few years more :) 20:44:50 <TrueBrain> the shitty part is, it is running on a heavily modified Django 1.2 .. 20:45:12 <LordAro> ono 20:45:17 <frosch123> is it? it ran fine on some django 1.6 20:45:18 <TrueBrain> on Debian Etch .. 20:45:24 <LordAro> oh no 20:45:35 <TrueBrain> if I login to that server, spiders come out 20:45:39 <frosch123> or whatevery version was in debian stable in 2012 20:46:21 <TrueBrain> either way .. I guess any progress is progress :P 20:46:35 <TrueBrain> I just read that LordAro offered to help out with any migration 20:46:54 <TrueBrain> so we mainly have to experiment a bit what works for us 20:46:55 <LordAro> well i did specify the wiki, but... :p 20:47:04 <andythenorth> https://giphy.com/gifs/cartoon-hunts-the-simpsons-119mPbgfgGnXig 20:47:18 <TrueBrain> ssl_no_cypher_overlap 20:47:23 <frosch123> LordAro: if you offer a hand, you will have to give an arm 20:47:23 <TrueBrain> I might need to upgrade this machine too :P 20:48:03 <LordAro> frosch123: ;) 20:48:30 <TrueBrain> I just ignore random words LordAro writes 20:48:32 <TrueBrain> a lot easier 20:48:41 <TrueBrain> I see there are scripts that import FlySpray into GitHub :P 20:48:47 <TrueBrain> just who becomes the author, I wonder :P 20:49:28 <LordAro> the github bot someone's going to set up, right? :p 20:49:52 <TrueBrain> we (or rather: I) have an OpenTTD user on github 20:49:55 <TrueBrain> so that is not really difficult 20:50:18 <LordAro> wait, is github.com/OpenTTD a user rather than an organisation? 20:50:24 <TrueBrain> both 20:50:47 <TrueBrain> all commits are pushed via OpenTTD 20:50:50 <andythenorth> what's even in FS now 20:50:52 * andythenorth looks 20:50:55 <TrueBrain> which annoys some people that follow me, as it is linked to my account 20:50:59 <TrueBrain> and people keep seeing that I did it :P 20:51:16 <LordAro> ha 20:51:27 <LordAro> might want to do a ..."proper" reimport 20:51:38 <TrueBrain> I am tempted to write a script that imports all (open and closed) bugs from OpenTTD to GitHub, and add a redirect to OpenTTD pointing to the right ticket :P 20:51:50 <TrueBrain> current import is proper? 20:52:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: adf88 wasnt even added to the readme? I think the dev status is what pissed him off :P 20:53:36 <TrueBrain> omg, GitHub tells me I only did 251 commits for OpenTTD .. LIES! 20:54:06 <andythenorth> once we've done openttd, can we knock off coop? :P 20:54:19 <LordAro> TrueBrain: oh, i think i misunderstood 20:54:29 <LordAro> but sounds like some extra author rewriting could be done ;) 20:54:35 <TrueBrain> how again can you link your account to a username .. hmm 20:54:45 <TrueBrain> LordAro? 20:54:50 <TrueBrain> what needs rewriting? 20:54:53 <LordAro> assuming git svn, there's a --author-file, i think 20:55:06 <LordAro> depends what the script is doing 20:55:12 <TrueBrain> postfix with @openttd.org 20:55:22 <TrueBrain> all devs have access to that account 20:56:02 <LordAro> ah right 20:56:16 <LordAro> well michi_cc should add that email to his github then ;) 20:56:23 <TrueBrain> more people do :) 20:57:15 <frosch123> mine is linked 20:57:36 <TrueBrain> let me see if it now linked all my commits correctly ... 20:57:37 <frosch123> andythenorth: i care more about the fs tasks that are linked from commit messages 20:57:41 <TrueBrain> important things first :P 20:57:54 <andythenorth> frosch123: fair 20:58:02 <andythenorth> we could leave something to rewrite those 20:58:05 <TrueBrain> I am happy we did FS# as syntax :) 20:58:15 <TrueBrain> but we can make that really pretty :) 20:58:32 <TrueBrain> not even 10k bugs 20:58:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: all open tasks can be summarized to "replace icu" and stuff that does not matter :p 20:58:42 <TrueBrain> and make the project look good, having 10k bugs, of which most are closed :P 20:58:54 <TrueBrain> LABELS! WE WILL HAVE LABELS! :P 20:59:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: :o you don't care that Russian exchange rate is wrong 20:59:38 <andythenorth> I am shocked 20:59:53 <LordAro> pretty sure if you import all open & closed bugs, the "FS#number" will auto link 21:00:09 <TrueBrain> how could it? 21:00:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: it should be the exchange rate from 1995, but anyway, all xussr people would complain if they were changed 21:00:21 <TrueBrain> 948 commits .. much better .. still not what I expected :P 21:00:27 <LordAro> TrueBrain: well the issue numbers would be the same :p 21:00:49 <TrueBrain> yeah ... that would be the other way to go about this 21:00:54 <TrueBrain> open/close any holes (we have a few) 21:01:11 <TrueBrain> honestly, might be the cherry on top 21:04:08 <TrueBrain> that does need a reset I think, as I believe someone made some PRs :P 21:04:21 <TrueBrain> I wont name people (LORDARO) 21:04:57 <LordAro> aahh 21:05:10 <TrueBrain> #1 and #2 bugs are silly anyway 21:05:14 <TrueBrain> so that can be forgiven :P 21:06:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I will get back to you how I see this working; then we can find people for it, and make a timeline 21:07:06 <TrueBrain> and I will monitor the website a bit for the rest of the night, but please email if something is wrong .. email I read :) 21:20:43 <LordAro> ah, nothing's actually happening? 21:20:47 <LordAro> goodo, i shall KSP instead :) 21:22:11 <Samu> Wormnest: nonocab v5 is still running 21:22:13 *** frosch has joined #openttd 21:22:26 <Samu> 2044, 7 years till 2051 21:26:50 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:29:47 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 21:34:45 *** Thedarkb1 has joined #openttd 21:35:38 *** frosch has quit IRC 21:37:34 *** drdoom has quit IRC 21:39:25 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 21:40:10 *** Gja has joined #openttd 21:40:46 *** ccfreak2k has joined #openttd 21:47:25 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:48:32 <Samu> 6 years 21:48:48 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 21:53:35 *** Arveen has quit IRC 22:00:36 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 22:03:32 <Wormnest> Good to hear Samu 22:06:47 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:08:12 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 22:08:28 *** glx has quit IRC 22:10:28 *** DDR has joined #openttd 22:18:06 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:37:31 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:42:01 <Samu> 4 years 22:42:24 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 22:43:25 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 22:46:39 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 22:46:55 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 22:57:29 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:34:33 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 23:37:52 <Samu> 3 years 23:52:28 <planetmaker> wow, lots of activity suddenly :D 23:59:28 <Wolf01> 'night 23:59:38 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC