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09:51:45  <Nickman87> !players
09:51:47  <PublicServer> Nickman87: There are currently no clients connected to the server
09:51:52  <Nickman87> !password
09:51:52  <PublicServer> Nickman87: girths
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09:56:24  <Nickman87> hi all
09:57:12  <OwenS> hi
09:58:59  <Nickman87> morning :)
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10:37:37  <dreamcatcher> !password
10:37:37  <PublicServer> dreamcatcher: sorest
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10:40:59  <Ammler> oh, there wss my missing nice dream.
10:41:02  <Nickman87> XeryusTC: maybe you should show a message after registration on you're ladder site :)
10:41:18  <Nickman87> he stole it from you Ammler!
10:41:32  <Ammler> seems so, was a boring sleep
10:41:35  <XeryusTC> Nickman87: it doesnt?
10:41:57  <Ammler> Nickman87: when do we hold our first competition?
10:42:42  <Nickman87> XeryusTC: no, when I clicked register, nothing happened... but I WAS registered :D. Same for editing my account details
10:42:50  <Nickman87> You wanna team up with me Ammler? :D
10:43:04  <Ammler> that or against you :P
10:43:08  <XeryusTC> hmm, account details you are notified of
10:43:13  <XeryusTC> through the magic of ajax :P
10:43:39  <Nickman87> yeah, I see you used allot of AJAX :D
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10:43:50  <Ammler> Nickman87: you can chose, with me to win or against
10:43:53  *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v KenjiE20
10:43:54  <Nickman87> but it was missing some notifications about changes that were submitted
10:43:59  <Nickman87> With! :D
10:44:26  <Nickman87> when I click update on my account page, I don't get any notifications XeryusTC...
10:44:29  <planetmaker> !playercount
10:44:29  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Number of players: 1
10:44:32  <planetmaker> !players
10:44:34  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client 425 (Orange) is Nickman, in company 1 (Japan Railways Group)
10:44:58  <Ammler> then let us make a date, you and me against planetmaker and?
10:45:05  <Nickman87> :D
10:45:08  <Nickman87> if you want to :)
10:45:16  <planetmaker> eh... what are you talking about, guys?
10:45:17  <XeryusTC> you may be right about that, i think i only made it notify updates on password and email :P
10:45:26  <Ammler> we need someone to lose ;-)
10:45:32  <Nickman87> :D
10:45:36  <planetmaker> not against you, Ammler :-)
10:45:36  <KenjiE20> pm, h2h I'd bet
10:45:54  <planetmaker> I'll team up with Osai and we'll build you two to dust and ashes
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10:46:10  <Ammler> LOL
10:46:28  <Ammler> Osai: doesn't know how oipenttd works anymore
10:46:40  <Ammler> that isn't like a bycicle
10:46:43  <XeryusTC> so true
10:46:59  <Nickman87> :D
10:47:22  <^Spike^> <--- Buys Ores & Enmatters @ Boxes
10:47:24  <^Spike^> woops
10:47:26  <^Spike^> :)
10:47:28  <Ammler> Nickman87: verstehst du deutsch?
10:47:36  <^Spike^> was for a different game :)
10:47:43  <planetmaker> English only. Also in teamchat :-PÜ
10:47:46  <planetmaker> -Ü
10:48:11  <dreamcatcher> see here: http://wiki2.openttdcoop.org/index.php/Load_Balancers . In the "More complex track switching" part, it says "PBF requires NPF". Is this still valid? I believe it works with YAPF as well.
10:48:21  <Ammler> yeah, I know, I thought, I can speak to yexo in German, but I failed.
10:48:24  <Nickman87> I  understand a bit of german, but not enough to understand and entire explenaition :D
10:48:32  <planetmaker> he :-)
10:49:06  <Ammler> either swiss-german or english
10:49:13  <Nickman87> And if you speak swiss-german I won't be able to understand you at all :D
10:49:22  <planetmaker> hm... Thraxian would be a good team mate, too :-) We already built together successfully.
10:49:33  <Nickman87> English it will be, or you have to learn dutch... :D
10:49:35  <planetmaker> Ammler, do you meanwhile own a microphone?
10:49:41  <dreamcatcher> guys, see here: http://wiki2.openttdcoop.org/index.php/Load_Balancers . In the "More complex track switching" part, it says "PBF requires NPF". Is this still valid? I believe it works with YAPF as well.
10:49:53  <planetmaker> uhm... I read it ^
10:49:58  <dreamcatcher> and?
10:50:37  <planetmaker> you might be right
10:50:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: the competition with yexo was on TS
10:50:46  <Nickman87> I think we are using YAPF in the ucurrent games, and PBS is working so :D
10:51:06  <Ammler> but I lost the admin account for the ts server
10:51:14  <dreamcatcher> so, I'll be updating the wiki :)
10:51:24  <Ammler> so we had to talk in the Lobby :-)
10:51:36  <Nickman87> haha :D
10:52:02  <Ammler> wiki2?
10:52:29  <Nickman87> wiki who?
10:52:47  <planetmaker> nice, dreamcatcher :-)
10:52:50  <Ammler> dreamcatcher: is on a outdated mirror, mybe
10:53:00  <Nickman87> yes, it is on wiki 2
10:53:19  <dreamcatcher> thx :-)
10:54:17  <Ammler> dreamcatcher: hidden rule: never use a load balancer like on that pages
10:54:26  <Nickman87> :D
10:54:45  <Nickman87> the PBS one? or all of them
10:54:47  <Ammler> only if you change the amount of lines
10:55:06  <Ammler> the first 2 examples are UPPER UGLY.
10:56:02  <Ammler> that wiki page is just to explain what a load balancer is, not meant to use it like that.
10:56:08  <planetmaker> FYI: I'm just updating ps...
10:56:53  <Ammler> !juctionary
10:56:57  <Ammler> !junctionary
10:56:57  <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Junctionary
10:57:08  <Ammler> ^ that is for "working" examples
10:57:20  <XeryusTC> Ammler: TS admin account detail should be on a51
10:58:17  <planetmaker> !save
10:58:17  <PublicServer> Saving game...
10:58:18  <PublicServer> Game saved
10:58:20  <planetmaker> !exit
10:58:45  <planetmaker> !quit
10:58:50  <^Spike^> new game? :)
10:59:01  <planetmaker> hm... no, need new map :-)
10:59:10  <^Spike^> ....
10:59:14  <planetmaker> just new version, so we don't need to compile that for new game :-P
10:59:21  <^Spike^> aha...
10:59:31  <^Spike^> and what's new in this rev? :)
10:59:31  <KenjiE20> @stage Waiting for a new map
10:59:31  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16782) | STAGE: Waiting for a new map | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
10:59:44  <KenjiE20> and what's new in this rev? :)  <-- stuff, changes
10:59:50  <XeryusTC> im off for the next 12 hours
10:59:54  <^Spike^> i ask WHAT ;)
10:59:58  <^Spike^> not stuff :)
10:59:58  <planetmaker> ^Spike^, namely a bug fix in the handling of PBS reservation with crashes
11:00:05  <^Spike^> ah the one that also bugged me
11:00:08  <^Spike^> crashing 4 trains
11:00:11  <planetmaker> ^Spike^, look at the changelog yourself... :-) I don't know
11:00:26  <^Spike^> :)
11:01:21  <planetmaker> !rcon exit
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11:01:26  <KenjiE20> pm, well, we do in a non specific way
11:01:40  <KenjiE20> since we sit in #openttd and watch the cia logs
11:01:51  <KenjiE20> we just cant cite them all :)
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11:02:18  <^Spike^> :)
11:02:26  <planetmaker> !revision
11:02:50  <planetmaker> !revision
11:02:57  <Ammler> Oh, I wanted to add a sleep there
11:03:04  <planetmaker> eh?
11:03:10  <Ammler> !fish
11:03:21  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
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11:03:45  <planetmaker> !revision
11:03:45  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Game version is r16903
11:03:51  <planetmaker> seems to be needed
11:04:03  <planetmaker> got an error in the first start
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11:11:27  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
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11:11:47  <Nickman87> so, need a new map...
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11:12:20  <planetmaker> uhm... what was wrong, Ammler ?
11:12:35  <Ammler> added the after, but :-)
11:13:20  <planetmaker> added what?
11:13:25  <Nickman87> save of game 150 isn't online Ammler?
11:17:00  <Ammler> Nickman87: dunno, didn't archive it
11:17:41  <Nickman87> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/publicserver_archive/PublicServerGame_150_Final.sav does not exist...
11:17:48  <Ammler> but they should be still availabe on ps.openttdcoop.org/public/save
11:18:56  <Ammler> yes, not transfered
11:19:06  <Ammler> as I said, you can get it from ps.op...
11:19:11  <planetmaker> http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/save/psg150_090715_1.sav <-- latest I know
11:19:24  <planetmaker> but not the lastest I know was made as I did that prior to the ending
11:19:37  <planetmaker> ah. ps150.sav is later
11:24:34  <Nickman87> :)
11:29:00  <Nickman87> so, still nothing for next game?
11:29:32  <KenjiE20> you asked that 18mins ago
11:31:02  <Nickman87> well, that's alot of time doing nothing? :D
11:37:19  <Ammler> Nickman87: new game now?
11:37:37  <Ammler> I WANT COMPETITION
11:37:58  <planetmaker> Nickman87, slacker, you!
11:38:11  <planetmaker> another 6 minutes idle
11:38:25  <KenjiE20> 7
11:40:03  <Nickman87> :(
11:44:07  <planetmaker> we're waiting for your map, Nickman87
11:44:15  <planetmaker> :-)
11:49:49  <Nickman87> I'll make one plane with some water in the center? :D
11:49:54  <Nickman87> just create random map? :)
11:51:50  <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (connection lost)
11:52:27  * ODM points planetmaker to premade scenarios:p
11:54:34  * planetmaker points ODM on the documentation how to load a new map
11:54:49  <planetmaker> hehe :-P
11:54:55  * ODM point planetmaker to himself being busy
11:55:15  <planetmaker> you're absolutely right, ODM. I'm quite busy
11:55:33  <planetmaker> That's why I thought of you ;-)
11:55:35  <ODM> uh
11:55:37  <ODM> i wrote that wrong
11:55:39  <ODM> wait
11:55:40  <ODM> uh
11:55:51  <ODM> sigh, you know what i mean
11:55:56  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
11:55:56  <PublicServer> Saving game...
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11:56:08  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
11:56:08  <PublicServer> Loading default savegame
11:56:08  <PublicServer> @revision r16903
11:56:08  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16903) | STAGE: Waiting for a new map | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
11:56:15  <Ammler> \o/
11:56:25  <ODM> just thought id mention i made the map oasis a bit ago, so might want to load it if theres nothing else
11:56:27  <Ammler> should be ok, now :-)
11:56:35  <Ammler> :-)
11:56:56  <Ammler> :'-(
11:57:23  <ODM> so sad
11:57:24  * planetmaker wonders about Ammler's emotional turmoil
11:57:45  <planetmaker> ODM, sure you're right. It's what they're made for...
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11:57:53  <Ammler> I had to show my brother, how smilies work :P
11:58:37  <ODM> you should show him kirby <(^.^<)
11:58:44  <Ammler> stupid me, I added the waiting before join the first time ;-)
11:59:24  <Ammler> ODM: isn't supported on my client
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11:59:57  <Ammler> !archive
11:59:57  <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/ProZone:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/MemberZone:Archive
12:00:15  <Nickman87> !players
12:00:16  <PublicServer> Nickman87: There are currently no clients connected to the server
12:00:34  <Ammler> game 151 isn't archived
12:00:49  <Ammler> @stage finalize
12:00:50  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16903) | STAGE: finalize | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
12:03:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: patch pack works on that revision?
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12:12:57  <Nickman87> !password
12:12:57  <PublicServer> Nickman87: peeled
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12:17:09  <Nickman87> !password
12:17:09  <PublicServer> Nickman87: peeled
12:17:20  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
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12:17:26  <PublicServer> <Nickman> back in japan?
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12:21:18  <planetmaker> Ammler, I wouldn't expect it.
12:21:36  <Ammler> I did, because you updated the ps :P
12:21:45  <planetmaker> :-)
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12:22:04  <planetmaker> maybe update works. But applying anew surely wouldn't work
12:22:10  <Ammler> openttd crashes with your pack :P
12:22:19  <planetmaker> :-O
12:22:27  <Ammler> as I liked to build a station
12:22:31  <planetmaker> yeah
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12:33:25  <ostannard> !password
12:33:26  <PublicServer> ostannard: honeys
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12:36:00  <nlhans> !password
12:36:00  <PublicServer> nlhans: honeys
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12:38:03  <narc> Konnichiwa, #coopers
12:39:12  <Nickman87> :)
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12:41:12  <Nickman87> hi ^spike^ :)
12:41:25  *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^
12:47:56  <planetmaker> btw, ^Spike^ : it's impossible from ingame to type your name.
12:48:21  <gleeb> I find it possible.
12:48:30  <planetmaker> yeah. You don't have a German keyboard
12:48:35  <planetmaker> but ^ opens the console for me
12:48:47  <planetmaker> and it always takes precedence. Thus I cannot type it ingame.
12:48:51  <gleeb> No, I don't, but I can also type umlouted letters.
12:49:09  <gleeb> Oh, I have that with ` :P
12:49:15  <planetmaker> yes, they're no special in the sense of the UI
12:49:43  <planetmaker> I find nicks starting with anything but letters annoying anyway :-)
12:49:43  <^Spike^> :)
12:50:00  <^Spike^> get a US keyboard? :D
12:50:23  <planetmaker> It's not a keyboard thing. It's a matter of system language. And no, I won't.
12:50:44  <gleeb> US keyboards suck.
12:50:50  <planetmaker> majorly
12:50:59  <gleeb> Where's the Alt-GR key? And the £ key? And the € key?
12:51:11  <planetmaker> and the äüöß
12:51:19  <^Spike^>  key?
12:51:23  <gleeb> €
12:51:23  <^Spike^> ctrl+alt+5
12:51:28  <Ammler> ^Spike^: does it need more than just asking you kindly not to use special chars in the nick?
12:51:28  <gleeb> As in Eurodollars.
12:51:31  <planetmaker> sure. I'll go for such crap
12:51:31  <Maza> actually it's not system language either, just select different keyboard layout from the localization menu
12:51:46  <^Spike^> but the ^ makes me.. me.... :)
12:51:57  <planetmaker> yes. exactly that. Attention craving.
12:51:59  <^Spike^> i've used in my nick for eh... 8 years or so no :)
12:52:02  <Ammler> the ^ makes you banning
12:52:03  <Nickman87> :D
12:52:09  <^Spike^> now*
12:52:42  <Ammler> (I am speaking of the ingame chat...)
12:52:49  <^Spike^> oh...
12:53:06  <^Spike^> ok... as long as i don't need to lose them on irc :)
12:53:13  <Ammler> it is ugly on IRC too, but there, well, you aren't the only one, ignoring netiguette.
12:53:37  <gleeb> It's worse than using numbers instead of letters.
12:53:48  <planetmaker> yeah...
12:54:15  <planetmaker> it's... annoying :-) Making it for no good reason hard for others to talk to you
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12:54:38  <planetmaker> but maybe that's what you want.
12:55:06  <Ammler> dunno, if every irc client is that intelligent than mine, I can just type Sp<tab> and it does automatically write it with the special chars.
12:55:34  <planetmaker> mine doesn't. None of mine actually
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12:56:31  <^Spike^> planetmaker i don't want to annoy others but most of the time a nick like Spike is already taken :)
12:56:47  <Ammler> I explored that feature as I had to hightlight combuster
12:57:13  <planetmaker> well. but you see: you make it harder for others to talk to you :-) And impossible ingame.
12:57:24  <Ammler> well, we would have to blame oftc, as it allows registering it.
12:57:32  <planetmaker> that's why non alphanumerical characters are usually a very bad choice
12:57:35  <^Spike^> Ammler blame the RFC for allowing it :)
12:57:52  <Ammler> well, we can still add a ban rule :-)
12:58:20  <planetmaker> everything which is possible should be done?
12:58:23  *** Ammler sets mode: +b ^*!*@*
12:58:32  <planetmaker> :-P
12:58:35  *** ^Spike^ is now known as Spike^^^^
12:58:36  <Spike^^^^> works
12:58:36  <Spike^^^^> :)
12:58:42  *** Spike^^^^ is now known as ^Spike^
12:58:58  <Nickman87> crazy ^Spike^... :D
12:58:58  <Ammler> try to reconnect :P
12:59:11  <^Spike^> but still ig every irc server had to strictly follow the RFC No irc server or irc services would be left alive as of they are today
12:59:13  <Nickman87> I cant auto complete with "Sp" neither in mIRC...
12:59:14  <^Spike^> if*
12:59:40  <Ammler> Nickman87: don't you use linux?
13:00:02  <Nickman87> no... only when programming C++ or some other things :)
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13:00:11  <planetmaker> Ammler, his host mask is ~spike though :-)
13:00:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: I don't like to ban him
13:00:32  <Ammler> only the nick
13:00:34  <planetmaker> :-)
13:01:17  <Ammler> isn't there a chanserv setting for that?
13:02:05  <Ammler> I like some special names on the irc contact list
13:02:17  <Ammler> it drops myself a bit down
13:02:28  <Nickman87> :D
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13:29:13  <XeryusTC> hmm
13:29:22  <XeryusTC> no one made teams yet on the ladder :(
13:29:23  <XeryusTC> !blog
13:29:23  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog
13:32:08  <Nickman87> I leave the team making up to Ammler ;)
13:56:11  <XeryusTC> nickman: either of you has to create a team and the other has to join it anyway :P
14:00:11  <Nickman87> :)
14:00:36  <ODM> !password
14:00:37  <PublicServer> ODM: hotbed
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14:01:03  <XeryusTC> !dl win64
14:01:03  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-windows-win64.zip
14:01:24  <Nickman87> does the 64bit version give alot of performance gain?
14:01:42  <XeryusTC> dunno
14:01:54  <Nickman87> :D
14:01:55  <XeryusTC> i just disliked the win32 emulator back when i had xp x64 :P
14:02:05  <Nickman87> :)
14:02:13  <XeryusTC> !password
14:02:13  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: hotbed
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14:02:35  <XeryusTC> ODM: go register at the ladder site btw
14:04:07  <PublicServer> <0DM> sigh:p
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14:04:25  <PublicServer> <Nickman> ?
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14:04:58  <PublicServer> <0DM> conditional orders dont realign when you remove one right?
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14:05:03  <PublicServer> <0DM> as in the numbers dont change
14:05:14  <PublicServer> <Nickman> they do
14:05:19  <PublicServer> <0DM> ah good
14:05:22  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :)
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14:10:37  <planetmaker> Yes, they re-adjust. One thing which bothers me though:
14:10:56  <planetmaker> you cannot change them like "enter new order # which it points to".
14:11:06  <planetmaker> If you want that, you need to make a completely new one.
14:11:10  <PublicServer> <Nickman> indeed
14:11:28  <^Spike^> pm that idd also annoys me..
14:11:36  <^Spike^> you click the wrong order instead of just changing
14:11:40  <^Spike^> you need to recreate it
14:12:16  <planetmaker> yep :-(
14:12:40  <^Spike^> but well they aren't called PITA orders for nothing :)
14:13:09  <planetmaker> meh
14:16:34  <g133b> You know what'd be awesome? The ability to program the trains with LUA or Squirrel :P
14:17:43  <XeryusTC> indeed it would :P
14:20:58  <hylje> inter train communication through signal programming
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14:21:36  <g133b> In the mean time, I'd like a "Go to station with most cargo waiting" type order.
14:23:24  <planetmaker> g133b, I'm not 100% sure whether that can be a desync issue.
14:23:30  <planetmaker> but in principle I want that, too
14:24:49  <SmatZ> you would need to specify set of stations from which to choose
14:25:21  <ODM> wouldnt that send all trains to the same station, causing a massive jam there?
14:25:42  <ODM> or atleast cause the other stations to stack up
14:26:39  <SmatZ> I think there is better solution
14:26:53  <SmatZ> using "GoTo order with xxx% probability"
14:26:59  <g133b> ODM: Ideally, no.
14:27:06  <SmatZ> and "If cargo waiting is 0, go to order"
14:27:19  <SmatZ> "ideally"?
14:27:26  <ODM> also, for SRNW, go to XX while full load at stops:P
14:27:39  <SmatZ> yeah :)
14:28:32  <ODM> maybe have that percentage depend upon the cargo at station, or at the production round those stations
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14:29:05  <PublicServer> Wall_d: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands
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15:08:25  <Maza> WALL-E
15:12:43  <ODM> actually, is name is Wall-do
15:12:58  <ODM> and you have to search for him while he wewars a red white stripy suit
15:14:03  <KenjiE20> I never worked out why he changes name in different places
15:14:18  <KenjiE20> walldo in the us, wally in the uk
15:14:34  <g133b> Because 'waldo' is not a name used in the uk
15:15:01  <SmatZ> Wall-E is invalid name
15:15:10  <SmatZ> but used in many translations... so
15:16:32  <ODM> wally here too
15:16:53  <ODM> ooh SmatZ is an expert?
15:17:10  <SmatZ> ODM: me? expert? not at all!
15:17:27  <SmatZ> but wall-e is used at least in finnish and czech versions :)
15:17:27  <ODM> surely:D
15:17:32  <ODM> really?
15:17:41  <ODM> i just thought it was a spoof on the wall-e movie thingie
15:17:58  <SmatZ>  VALL-I
15:18:04  <KenjiE20> he keeps sayin it's not, but I don't believe it
15:18:08  <SmatZ> hmmm now it's VALL-I in czech
15:18:16  <SmatZ> but WALL-E in slovak
15:18:18  <SmatZ> oh well
15:18:21  <SmatZ> complicated
15:18:22  <ODM> good enough
15:18:23  <SmatZ> :(
15:18:24  <SmatZ> hehe :)
15:18:36  <SmatZ> actually, "Wall-E"
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15:19:11  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello
15:19:53  <ODM> hello!
15:20:02  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello ODM!
15:20:08  <nlhans> !password
15:20:08  <PublicServer> nlhans: cheeps
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15:21:27  <KenjiE20> http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/nzxt/m59.png <-- bloody hell
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15:24:25  <PublicServer> <Hans> hey nickman
15:24:43  <PublicServer> <Hans> see you modified some bits of the network :p
15:29:26  <^Spike^> hans we replaced the erail with maglev
15:29:32  <^Spike^> cause there were 88 trains or so :)
15:29:35  <PublicServer> <Hans> yeah, it was needed
15:29:37  <^Spike^> and network was at it's make :)
15:29:39  <^Spike^> kax*
15:29:41  <^Spike^> max*
15:29:43  <^Spike^> bleh
15:29:45  <^Spike^> typo day today
15:29:47  <PublicServer> <Hans> over it. :p
15:30:41  <PublicServer> <Hans> transport rates of local stations show it now too
15:30:44  <PublicServer> <Hans> all well near 70%
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15:48:40  <PublicServer> <Nickman> Hi Hans ;)
15:50:08  <PublicServer> <Nickman> we need to upgrade the blua maglevs so they have more capacity :D
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16:35:50  <OwenS> !dl lin64
16:35:50  <PublicServer> OwenS: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-linux-generic-amd64.tar.bz2
16:36:20  <OwenS> When did we upgrade?
16:36:33  <PublicServer> <Nickman> bit earlier today
16:36:40  <KenjiE20> when you werent paying attention obviously :P
16:37:05  <OwenS> You mean when I was away :p
16:37:06  <OwenS> !password
16:37:06  <PublicServer> OwenS: memoir
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16:38:20  <PublicServer> <Nickman> you need the game paused?
16:38:46  <PublicServer> <Owen> Appears not
16:39:50  <PublicServer> <Owen> Jamming between BBH02/04
16:40:20  <PublicServer> <Nickman> also around BBH03
16:40:22  <PublicServer> <Nickman> sometimes
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16:41:59  <PublicServer> <Nickman> problem at BBH04 is the merging that has no choise at all
16:43:10  <PublicServer> <Nickman> changed the bringe connections some :)
16:43:46  <PublicServer> <Nickman> BOOM!
16:43:47  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :D
16:45:38  <PublicServer> <Nickman> might need even more choises? make a two tile cross track at BBH04?
16:45:57  <PublicServer> <Owen> I don't know
16:46:11  <PublicServer> <Owen> Really the problem now is congestion arround bbh2
16:46:23  <PublicServer> <Nickman> to many trains :)
16:48:16  <PublicServer> <Owen> Realy we have, I think ,too many tracks for the lines
16:48:29  <PublicServer> <Nickman> what do you mean?
16:48:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> trains for the tracks even
16:48:45  <PublicServer> <Nickman> ah :D
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16:54:12  <PublicServer> <Owen> I installed a miniprio in BBH02
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16:57:33  <PublicServer> <Nickman> where?
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16:57:46  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I see :)
16:57:57  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I've placed those in other places as well :)
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17:26:27  <PublicServer> <Nickman> not much to do...
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17:40:55  <satyap> !dl lin
17:40:55  <PublicServer> satyap: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2
17:44:27  <satyap> !password
17:44:27  <PublicServer> satyap: safari
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17:45:12  <satyap> did the version ++ for some reason on the same map?
17:45:23  <satyap> !password
17:45:23  <PublicServer> satyap: safari
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17:46:20  <Nickman87> nobody knows why satyap... :)
17:47:17  * planetmaker was out there to annoy you guys.
17:47:25  <Nickman87> :)
17:48:07  <planetmaker> Evilgasms are even superior to orgasms :-P
17:48:31  <Nickman87> lol :D
17:48:40  <planetmaker> har har har >:
17:48:47  <PublicServer> <Nickman> evil pm!
17:48:52  <PublicServer> <Nickman> give us a new map already!
17:49:04  <planetmaker> that would be too nice.
17:49:08  <satyap> oh well, i can't join it
17:49:13  <PublicServer> <Nickman> huge jam btw :D
17:49:25  <planetmaker> did someone make a archive entry already?
17:49:43  <planetmaker> I cannot do much right now... kernel update :-)
17:49:55  <ODM> that killed your abilities?:P
17:50:01  <PublicServer> <Nickman> haha, w've got a deadlock ;)
17:50:18  <PublicServer> <Nickman> fixed it ;)
17:50:21  <ODM> wooo
17:50:41  <planetmaker> :-)
17:51:04  <planetmaker> ODM, it doesn't kill my abilities. But it renders me somewhat unresponsive for the time being.
17:51:58  <ODM> tbh, wouldnt know
17:51:59  <ODM> never done it
17:52:25  <hylje> you never update your OS?
17:52:41  <PublicServer> *** Owen has left the game (connection lost)
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17:52:47  <ODM> dunno? not my "kernel" in that specific way?
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17:53:13  <OwenS> !players
17:53:14  <PublicServer> OwenS: Client 27 (Orange) is Owen, in company 1 (Japan Railways Group)
17:53:14  <PublicServer> OwenS: Client 7 (Orange) is Nickman, in company 1 (Japan Railways Group)
17:53:18  <OwenS> O...k
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17:53:25  <OwenS> I'm certainy not in
17:53:30  <OwenS> !password
17:53:30  <PublicServer> OwenS: safari
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17:54:03  <PublicServer> <Owen> Was anything going on before my sudden crash? :p
17:54:20  <ODM> yes, we crashed!
17:55:34  <PublicServer> <Owen> Huh? Damnit I wish I'd remembered to restart Konversation
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18:00:49  <PublicServer> <Nickman> haha, look at the income graph
18:00:54  <PublicServer> <Nickman> all caused by a deadlock
18:01:01  <PublicServer> <Nickman> at UET station!
18:01:08  <PublicServer> <Owen> lol
18:01:16  <PublicServer> <Nickman> this is all your fault Planetmaker... :D
18:01:21  <PublicServer> <Owen> How much of a knock on effect did it have?
18:01:30  <PublicServer> <Nickman> what do you mean?
18:01:54  <PublicServer> <Owen> How much of the rest of the network did it affect?
18:02:26  <PublicServer> <Owen> And what do you mean by "do not connect dead ends"?
18:02:29  <PublicServer> <Nickman> connection from N to S was completely stuck from BBH03 all the way to BBH04
18:02:43  <PublicServer> <Nickman> you see that disconnected piece of track?
18:02:47  <PublicServer> <Owen> yes
18:02:52  <PublicServer> <Nickman> that WAS connected only to the right
18:02:56  <PublicServer> <Owen> Aah
18:02:58  <PublicServer> <Nickman> left end was open, aka dead
18:03:01  <PublicServer> <Owen> Can't it connect right through?
18:03:02  <PublicServer> <Nickman> train got stuck in it
18:03:03  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :D
18:03:14  <PublicServer> <Owen> like so
18:03:14  <PublicServer> <Nickman> it is ment for extra platforms... I think
18:03:19  <PublicServer> <Nickman> that is what I did to solve the jam ;)
18:03:25  <PublicServer> <Nickman> not needed though I think :)
18:03:32  <PublicServer> <Owen> Meh, shouldn't cause har,
18:04:35  <PublicServer> <Nickman> it won't harm no, but now the entrance isn't fully symmetrical ;)
18:04:59  <PublicServer> <Owen> Jam at BBH03...
18:05:41  <PublicServer> <Nickman> a huge queue actually :)
18:05:50  <PublicServer> <Owen> They're similar in effect :p
18:06:57  <PublicServer> <Owen> I suppose technically we should have PSHxx labeled everywhere :p
18:12:24  <PublicServer> <Owen> You still working on 03?
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18:20:14  <XeryusTC> !password
18:20:14  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: robing
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18:20:59  <PublicServer> <Owen> Xeryus: Want me to pause it while you join?
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18:21:19  <PublicServer> <Owen> OK, seems to be holding :p
18:21:37  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> the problem was that i tabbed while ottd tried to catch up
18:21:42  <PublicServer> <Owen> lol
18:25:23  <PublicServer> * Owen can't help but notice this game ahs serious not-following-plan issues
18:25:31  <PublicServer> <Nickman> why?
18:25:49  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hmm, pm's orders are somewhat.. odd
18:25:54  <PublicServer> <Owen> East mainline kinda stops at bBH4 and starts again bbh03
18:26:11  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> if the train needs to go to the last station and it is full it will return to the drop to only return to the last station to return to the drop
18:26:23  <PublicServer> <Owen> Between them what should be 4 traffic lanes combine to 2
18:26:26  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> which makes it pass 2 other stations all the time
18:26:30  <PublicServer> <Owen> XeryusTC: Apparently this works better
18:27:09  <PublicServer> <Owen> And I have to say... I have some trams using this system and, y'know what? it works
18:27:26  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> yeah, but with this network design i would've gone with going through every station again if it you just came from the last
18:27:41  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> with a circular network i would mind less i guess :P
18:27:51  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> the idea behind it is quite clever i must say
18:29:18  <Wall-D> @seen Ammler
18:29:18  <Webster> Wall-D: Ammler was last seen in #openttdcoop 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Ammler> it drops myself a bit down
18:29:46  <Ammler> I am here to help you :P
18:29:54  <Wall-D> :-P
18:30:03  <^Spike^> !password
18:30:03  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: patrol
18:30:04  <Ammler> :-D
18:30:08  <Wall-D> did you find the sql dump??#
18:30:38  <Ammler> well, I can give you the database access infos
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18:30:59  <PublicServer> <Nickman> OwenS, you can always extend the East ML, lots of room on Moriyama island
18:31:06  <PublicServer> *** ^Sp1ke^ has changed his/her name to Spike
18:31:23  <PublicServer> <Nickman> omg! Spike! don't remove the ^^!!! :D
18:31:34  <PublicServer> <Owen> Yes, bu not really for a junction
18:31:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> depends on if i still want to join the server if it was for ammler i don't have them on irc either :D
18:31:59  <PublicServer> <Nickman> just delete all the roads :D
18:32:08  <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1
18:32:09  <PublicServer> <Owen> Still not really junction room
18:32:14  <PublicServer> * XeryusTC agrees with ammler
18:32:24  <PublicServer> * Spike doesn't
18:32:25  <PublicServer> <Spike> :)
18:32:36  <PublicServer> <Nickman> you can use half the island for a junction? :D
18:32:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> In any case, were supposed to be finalizing this game (And have been for over 24h...)
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18:33:09  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yeah, I'm still waiting for the next map...
18:33:11  <OwenS> I.E. not making major changes
18:33:18  <planetmaker> !revision
18:33:18  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Game version is r16903
18:33:47  <PublicServer> <Nickman> mayor changes happen all the time ;)
18:33:58  <PublicServer> <Owen> Anyway, the network does mostly run smoothly
18:34:08  <PublicServer> <Nickman> indeed :)
18:34:33  <PublicServer> <Owen> Occasionally a few trains wait arroud, but nothing really bad
18:34:41  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yu
18:34:43  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yup
18:34:51  <satyap> please don't change morityama
18:35:03  <PublicServer> <Nickman> still... FUR could use alot of trains!
18:35:16  <satyap> !password
18:35:16  <PublicServer> satyap: patrol
18:35:20  <PublicServer> <Owen> Nickman: No killing the network at the end  of gme game!
18:35:27  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :D
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18:36:39  <PublicServer> <Owen> All this water for some reason reminds me of my old C-Bahn :p
18:37:08  <Wall-D> ok, so ill just make a dump for local development
18:41:42  <Wall-D> ammler?
18:42:31  <Ammler> Wall-D: I lost the pw, I set up a new user
18:42:56  <^Spike^> if you got root you can just reset the pw of a user?
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18:43:26  <new1here> greetings
18:43:33  <new1here> everyone
18:43:39  <new1here> any one here?
18:43:42  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hello
18:43:46  <KenjiE20> hello pleasantly ambigous person
18:43:58  <new1here> :)
18:43:59  <KenjiE20> ambiguous*
18:44:06  <new1here> could someone please help me?
18:44:13  <PublicServer> <Owen> @Someone - Have we got a scenario for the next game yet? :p
18:44:38  <new1here> i would like to play ottd cargo destinations in any server, but i can't understand, how to join
18:45:25  <KenjiE20> dest?
18:45:29  <new1here> someone? ;/
18:45:36  <new1here> m?
18:45:51  <KenjiE20> dest is pretty old
18:46:03  <KenjiE20> dist on the other hand, is fairly active
18:46:21  <new1here> what could you ofer me instead?
18:46:33  * KenjiE20 offers nothing
18:46:52  <KenjiE20> I don't make dist
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18:47:15  <new1here> and where are you playing?
18:47:35  <KenjiE20> right now? in EVE :P
18:48:39  <new1here> but i would like to play ottd
18:48:41  <new1here> :}
18:49:02  <satyap> see topic
18:49:37  <KenjiE20> satyap, that got dropped
18:49:50  <KenjiE20> I assume you mean the .dev channel, which would indeed be the place for dist
18:49:51  <satyap> what got dropped?
18:49:54  <satyap> oh
18:49:55  <PublicServer> *** Nickman has left the game (connection lost)
18:50:02  <satyap> no, i mean www.openttdcoop.org
18:52:02  <KenjiE20> ah, fair enough
18:52:47  <new1here> hm...too hard for me, but i will try :)
18:53:22  <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (leaving)
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18:54:09  <OwenS> XeryusTC, Ammler, either of you alive? :p
18:54:17  <new1here> does any one play ottd in here?
18:54:24  <OwenS> All of us
18:54:37  * KenjiE20 points at Publicserver
18:54:42  <new1here> and does any one play cargo on here?
18:54:45  <new1here> :]
18:54:59  * KenjiE20 points at topic
18:55:00  <new1here> cargo dest in here?
18:55:08  <new1here> i saw
18:55:27  <new1here> topic, but i mean, could any one send me full ottd in zip file?
18:55:30  <OwenS> We don't. We play bog standard nightlies - anything more complex means nobody ever joins
18:55:38  <new1here> k
18:55:48  <KenjiE20> couldn't you not get the binaries on the patch thread?
18:55:50  <new1here> *ok
18:56:19  <new1here> hm..don't know...i just once did game that worked to me
18:56:24  <new1here> and now i forgoted
18:56:27  <new1here> everything
18:56:43  <new1here> and i can't find even ttd setup
18:56:55  <ODM> so, ready for archive?
18:56:59  <OwenS> Well I am :p
18:57:25  <OwenS> I'd say it is. It works, it doesn't jam; it has a few slowdowns, but fixing that would require a hell of a lot of building and demolition
18:57:30  <XeryusTC> OwenS: i am somewhat
18:58:02  <ODM> !password
18:58:02  <PublicServer> ODM: canter
18:58:11  <PublicServer> *** 0DM joined the game
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18:58:55  <new1here> ah...not good
18:59:03  <PublicServer> <0DM> good enough for me
18:59:19  <new1here> :)
18:59:40  <PublicServer> <0DM> just wondering why theres a ton of tiny islands in the water
18:59:42  <new1here> so, could anyone tell me what shall i do, when setup is requesting cd of ttd?
18:59:50  <Ammler>  new1here join #openttdcoop.dev and type !dl there
19:00:06  <OwenS> Ammler: Is that at all recent? :p
19:00:14  <Ammler> no ttd needed anymore
19:00:23  <KenjiE20> Ammler: that won't help if he can't install ottd vanilla :P
19:00:26  <Ammler> !grf <-- check bottom
19:00:26  <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 7.3)
19:00:50  <Ammler> OwenS: recent?
19:01:20  <planetmaker> new1here: get OpenGFX from  ... what Ammler tells :-)
19:01:28  <OwenS> As in, will it give a recent build? :p
19:02:08  <Ammler> OwenS: newest available, afaik
19:02:10  <planetmaker> OwenS: how do you mean?
19:02:48  <OwenS> n/m
19:03:01  <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opengfx/releases/ <-- "official" releases
19:03:13  <new1here> i know that it's easy to use this game, but i need to learn how to use ;/
19:03:19  <Ammler> planetmaker: he meant cargodist
19:03:30  <Ammler> @man
19:03:31  <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opengfx/nightlies/ <-- nightlies... oh :-P
19:03:32  <Webster> Search results - OpenTTD - http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=
19:03:34  <new1here> it doeasn't matter where to play
19:03:35  <Ammler> new1here: ^
19:03:39  <new1here> i just want to play
19:04:09  <planetmaker> [20:57]	<new1here>	so, could anyone tell me what shall i do, when setup is requesting cd of ttd? <-- I was referring to that, Ammler
19:04:12  <Ammler> new1here: then you should download the latest stable
19:04:21  <Ammler> from openttd.org
19:04:34  <new1here> aa
19:04:38  <new1here> (blush)
19:04:41  <new1here> :]
19:05:27  <XeryusTC> !users
19:05:27  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Community:Members
19:05:34  <ODM> !rcon save PSG151final
19:05:35  <PublicServer> ODM: Saving map...
19:05:36  <PublicServer> Game saved
19:05:42  <PublicServer> *** Owen has left the game (connection lost)
19:05:43  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
19:06:35  <new1here> is it possible to download full prepared game? :D
19:07:29  <OwenS> Define full prepared game?
19:07:39  <satyap> define: cargodist
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19:08:16  <new1here> doesn't matter. for ex game that you all play
19:08:21  <new1here> something like that
19:08:32  <OwenS> Presuming you're on Windows,
19:08:37  <OwenS> !tell new1here about !dl win32
19:08:37  <PublicServer> new1here: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-windows-win32.zip
19:09:58  <new1here> i feel like a kid :D
19:11:05  <new1here> but if i join soon, you will see, that i am not so bad in game :)
19:12:06  <PublicServer> <0DM> can someone join for a few seconds?
19:12:39  <OwenS> !password
19:12:39  <PublicServer> OwenS: pistol
19:12:49  <PublicServer> <0DM> seems the final is not the final yet^^
19:12:54  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
19:12:55  <PublicServer> *** Owen joined the game
19:12:57  <PublicServer> <Owen> lol why?
19:13:06  <PublicServer> <0DM> small cleanup
19:13:13  <PublicServer> <Owen> Aah where?
19:13:36  <Ammler> READY
19:13:38  <Ammler> FOR
19:13:39  <new1here> hm...missing sample.cat means, that it can't find the game?
19:13:46  <Ammler> COOPETITION
19:13:50  <Ammler> ?
19:13:55  <OwenS> No
19:13:57  <OwenS> :p
19:13:58  <PublicServer> <0DM> thatll do
19:14:06  <planetmaker> new1here: if you actually want in case of doubt a somewhat future proof savegame, you shouldn#t use cargodist binary.
19:14:08  <OwenS> new1here: samples.cat contains the sound
19:14:22  <Ammler> www.openttdcoop.org/sample.cat
19:14:29  <ODM> !rcon save PSG151final
19:14:30  <PublicServer> ODM: Saving map...
19:14:30  <PublicServer> ODM: Map sucessfully saved to PSG151final.sav
19:14:43  <ODM> aight
19:14:51  <PublicServer> *** Owen has left the game (leaving)
19:14:51  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
19:14:57  <Ammler> ODM: don't forget to transfer ;-)
19:15:19  <ODM> on my way already
19:16:00  <Ammler> I trasfered 150 today
19:16:45  <new1here> hm...does someone have skype, and would like to download me prepared game? ;/
19:17:12  <new1here> i can't understand what's wrong
19:22:33  <new1here> hm...i have instaled the game, but i have error. it says me: error reading registry
19:23:26  <planetmaker> registry?!
19:23:52  <planetmaker> You don't install OpenTTD, do you?
19:24:18  <new1here> hm...i think i have found what's wrong
19:24:24  * KenjiE20 installs stable to have a 'control' to test against
19:24:33  <KenjiE20> for no apparent reason
19:24:52  <OwenS> Hang on... OpenTTD uses the Windows Registry... what for?
19:25:00  <KenjiE20> but even then I doubt it uses the registry
19:25:10  <KenjiE20> at least not more than just uninstall strings
19:25:24  <new1here> ok...now, no idea what's wrong
19:25:31  <OwenS> I have a hunch
19:25:40  <KenjiE20> "you're diong it wrong" ?
19:25:41  <OwenS> 1) The build is created with Visual C++ 2008
19:25:46  <KenjiE20> s/diong/doigng/
19:25:49  <KenjiE20> bah
19:25:51  <KenjiE20> typefail
19:25:51  <OwenS> 2) The Visual C++ 2008 runtime libraries aren't installed
19:26:08  <OwenS> 3) If they are, then something is wrong with your WinSxS configuration and Windows is broken
19:26:20  <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (leaving)
19:26:29  * KenjiE20 doesn't remember having those RTs either
19:26:29  <OwenS> Try downloading and running the installer from the site if you haven't. It will install what you need
19:26:30  <Ammler> openttd doesn't
19:26:33  <Ammler> but ttd does
19:27:02  * Ammler fears, new1here tries to install ttd.
19:27:21  <new1here> :d
19:27:25  <new1here> not funny :p
19:27:35  <new1here> 3 weeks ago, i played without problems
19:27:40  <Ammler> yes, that is sad :'-(
19:27:54  <new1here> but i have deleted ottd and ttd in accidend
19:28:02  <new1here> so now something is wrong
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19:28:14  <new1here> and i can't understand what is it
19:28:18  <Ammler> if you need support for TTD, please use #tycoon
19:28:19  <new1here> ok
19:28:20  <KenjiE20> unfortunately my crystal ball has stopped working
19:28:33  <new1here> i will tell you what i did
19:28:40  <Ammler> we only support (legal) openttd usage.
19:28:48  <new1here> ah
19:28:52  <Ammler> since opengfx :-)
19:28:58  <planetmaker> :-)
19:29:05  <new1here> legal, means that you bought?
19:29:07  <new1here> :}
19:29:13  <Ammler> no
19:29:15  * KenjiE20 prefers his originals
19:29:24  <Ammler> we only use free parts of the game
19:29:27  <planetmaker> legal means that I don't use pirated original graphics
19:29:33  <Ammler> OPENttd and OPENgfx
19:29:57  <Ammler> if you bought TTD, you can use those graphics with openttd, too.
19:29:58  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: it's actually only a matter of getting used to; initially I thought so, too.
19:30:08  <planetmaker> I switched, of course, since I started to work on it.
19:30:08  <KenjiE20> I don't like them
19:30:20  <planetmaker> Now that I use them always, I don't like the original ones anymore :-)
19:30:27  <new1here> hm...you all got problems like me in the beggining? :D
19:30:33  <planetmaker> no
19:30:37  <new1here> cool :D
19:30:38  <Ammler> no
19:30:45  <KenjiE20> no, but I've been using ttd incarnations since year dot
19:31:19  <Ammler> I never thought, I can like the GUI more
19:31:29  <Ammler> (of opengfx)
19:31:42  <planetmaker> well... I'm a bit indifferent to that, but yes
19:31:58  <Ammler> well, it isn't complete ;-)
19:32:16  <new1here> i have downloaded the game setup, i did everything like few times before, but something is wrong....
19:32:17  <Ammler> just tell bilbo, which he needs to fix ;-)
19:32:18  <planetmaker> well. But you can play everything which isn't toyland :-)
19:32:35  * KenjiE20 isn't keen on the lack of sharpness/pastel-like feel of it
19:33:00  <Ammler> KenjiE20: is a friend of jeolton
19:33:09  <KenjiE20> eeew
19:33:18  <Ammler> or who is that annoying guy called?
19:33:19  <planetmaker> :-)
19:33:27  <Ammler> how
19:33:33  <KenjiE20> don't lump me in with jolteon >_>
19:33:33  <planetmaker> I think you hit it quite well, Ammler
19:33:59  <planetmaker> new1here: just copy the damn game into a folder of your choice and that's all you need for OpenTTD
19:34:19  <planetmaker> if it doesn't work, you'll need to copy a set of base graphics where the readme tells you to put them.
19:34:21  <Ammler> KenjiE20: you seriously like the vehicles of original more then opengfx?
19:34:54  <KenjiE20> a) more used to them, but more b) I like the crisper 'feel' of the graphics
19:35:12  <new1here> k...trying one more time
19:35:14  <Ammler> oh, indeed
19:35:28  * planetmaker still doesn't get why people need to "install" games and then complain if the registry sucks - especially for games which don't need an installer and a install beyond a simple unzip command
19:35:39  <KenjiE20> there's a sort of blurry-ness to opengfx I'm not keen on
19:35:40  <Ammler> hmm, maybe, we shouldn't assume, you have already read the readme.
19:35:57  <new1here> ok...so tell me from where i could download the game
19:36:06  <new1here> win xp
19:36:08  <planetmaker> openttd.org maybe?
19:36:12  <new1here> ok
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19:36:30  <planetmaker> and please, please, do a bit of thinking yourself
19:36:30  <Godde> !password
19:36:30  <PublicServer> Godde: jetted
19:36:45  * KenjiE20 points Godde at topic
19:36:48  <Godde> !dl win32
19:36:48  <PublicServer> Godde: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-windows-win32.zip
19:36:56  <Ammler> we need a game for planetmaker :-)
19:36:58  * KenjiE20 points Godde at the other part of topic
19:37:09  <Godde> ?
19:37:20  * planetmaker wonders what part KenjiE20 possibly could mean
19:37:24  <KenjiE20> 'finalize'
19:37:29  <Godde> i wanna see it, thats all
19:37:40  <planetmaker> if it had a +d it'd be correct. This way it's a command :-)
19:37:41  <KenjiE20> fair enough, just making sure :P
19:37:41  <new1here> ottd version 071 ?
19:37:50  <planetmaker> yes
19:38:20  <planetmaker> but you said you didn't care anyway. So any is fine for you
19:38:20  <Godde> !password
19:38:20  <PublicServer> Godde: jetted
19:38:38  <new1here> ok :)
19:38:40  <PublicServer> *** Godde joined the game
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19:39:44  <new1here> ok
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19:39:55  <new1here> now i have error
19:40:11  <new1here> i will put that error in somewhere
19:40:13  <new1here> ok?
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19:41:51  <new1here> http://www.failai.in/P/1248291037_ERROR.bmp
19:42:02  <new1here> here is error that i have
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19:42:39  <KenjiE20> not clicking a bmp
19:42:49  <new1here> after this one i have error: TRG1.grf
19:43:05  <Ammler> now install opengfx
19:43:08  <planetmaker> new1here: then you're missing - expectedly - the base graphics
19:43:56  <new1here> what shall i do next?
19:44:11  <Ammler> [21:43] <Ammler> now install opengfx
19:44:17  <planetmaker> [21:41]	<Ammler>	now install opengfx
19:44:21  <new1here> from where?
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19:44:30  <planetmaker> :-x
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19:44:33  <Ammler> planetmaker: your clock is wrong
19:44:36  *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Misza
19:44:49  <Ammler> or is it mine?
19:44:50  <new1here> i am asking becouse i want to do exacly as you say
19:44:50  * planetmaker wonders. But Ammler might tell the truth.
19:44:52  <KenjiE20> ^ what ammler said
19:45:02  <planetmaker> Ammler: I think mine. I noticed this morning when the news started
19:45:28  <KenjiE20> I have the same time as ammler
19:45:34  <planetmaker> new1here: you may notice that you were given this evening already at least 3 links to OpenGFX !
19:45:37  <KenjiE20> and this PCs linked to ntp, so...
19:46:14  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: I guess... I should switch off this computer more often :-)
19:46:25  <new1here> nightly r144 or other?
19:46:26  <KenjiE20> or run ntp more often :P
19:46:27  <planetmaker> It synchronizes at boot up, too, with the PTB time server
19:46:29  <OwenS> Out of curiosity... Whens #152 going up? :p
19:46:36  <planetmaker> new1here: whatever suits you. r144 is most recent
19:46:37  <OwenS> planetmaker: My clock agrees with Ammlers
19:46:44  <new1here> ok
19:46:45  <new1here> :}
19:46:46  <planetmaker> thus pro'ly best
19:47:00  <KenjiE20> mine sync's every 12 hours
19:47:05  <KenjiE20> at 6 and 6
19:48:07  <hylje> i think my modifications actually compile this time
19:48:17  <KenjiE20> lies
19:48:17  <hylje> next up: does it run?
19:48:23  <KenjiE20> :)
19:48:38  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: this is a laptop :-)
19:48:47  <new1here> now, i need to put that on the top of ottd?
19:48:52  <planetmaker> My desktop syncs whenever it can, also every hour or so.
19:48:53  <hylje> i've been turning map access into a couple inline functions
19:48:58  * planetmaker sighs
19:48:59  <KenjiE20> ah, yea, they tend to go out a bit
19:49:14  <KenjiE20> what with the one battery and all
19:49:44  <planetmaker> new1here: copy it to ~/.openttd/data and Look how that path looks in windows systems
19:49:53  <planetmaker> it looks there different by your localization settings.
19:50:03  <planetmaker> I gave you the linux path btw
19:50:09  <hylje> if this is a success i can probably turn the rest of the code segments to use these things
19:50:17  <planetmaker> man, I'm getting annoyed.
19:50:25  <hylje> and then i can start mucking about
19:51:33  <new1here> working :)
19:51:38  <new1here> thank you :)
19:51:59  <planetmaker> good :-)
19:52:29  <new1here> (flower) for you :)
19:52:31  <new1here> :D
19:53:05  <KenjiE20> mibbit uses weird emote codes >_>
19:53:29  <new1here> also, where are you playing, on what server? i will try to join without any tips :)
19:53:29  <planetmaker> :-O
19:53:33  <hylje> it should use something human readable like flower*
19:53:37  <planetmaker> !ip
19:53:37  <PublicServer> planetmaker: ps.openttdcoop.org
19:53:40  <planetmaker> ^^ there
19:53:47  <KenjiE20> or :emote: like everything else on the planet
19:54:04  <planetmaker> but you'll need another binary :-)
19:54:07  <planetmaker> !dl win32
19:54:07  <PublicServer> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16903/openttd-trunk-r16903-windows-win32.zip
19:54:31  * KenjiE20 suggests reading the website
19:54:41  <planetmaker> but you can now - if you installed OpenGFX where it needed to be - just unzip and start it...
19:54:50  <new1here> ok
19:54:56  <new1here> unzip on the top?
19:55:13  <hylje> unzip wherever
19:55:39  <planetmaker> I'd use a new, clean dir for it.
19:55:48  <planetmaker> you might want to use the stable 0.7.1 later on
19:56:08  <planetmaker> there are many 0.7.1 servers around
19:56:24  <planetmaker> but we use near-to-latest development version
19:56:25  <KenjiE20> only one r16903 :)
19:56:28  <new1here> i need extra grafic, from where i could get them?
19:56:39  <planetmaker> @bananas
19:56:39  <Webster> BaNaNaS is a content service, which services Base graphics And Newgrfs And Noais And Scenarios, see: http://wiki.openttd.org/Online_content
19:56:40  <planetmaker> !grf
19:56:40  <PublicServer> planetmaker: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 7.3)
19:56:47  <KenjiE20> google is your friend too
19:56:48  <new1here> aa
19:56:55  <new1here> ok
19:57:55  <new1here> ok, i have that one...i need to put everything into data?  :D
19:58:16  <KenjiE20> feel free to not read the instructions :)
19:58:17  <new1here> ah, there is readme :)
19:58:22  <new1here> :)
19:58:41  <hylje> surprisingly compiling makes other apps feel a little sluggish
19:58:50  <KenjiE20> odd that
19:58:56  <Ammler> here runs ntpd, so it should be ok.
19:59:12  <KenjiE20> hylje: multicore?
19:59:25  <hylje> guess
19:59:37  <KenjiE20> no
19:59:50  * OwenS wonders when we get 152 again :p
20:00:01  * KenjiE20 was going to suggest "-j" :P
20:00:57  <hylje> developing stuff in C++ is sure to make one desire more hardware
20:01:02  <new1here> amn...readme is about licence and smth like that...
20:01:17  <KenjiE20> hylje: I bet
20:02:29  <new1here> where i need to put all stuff? ;/
20:02:50  * KenjiE20 points to the instructions
20:02:54  <planetmaker> data
20:03:08  <new1here> ok
20:04:28  * KenjiE20 wonders how anyone can miss the big bold letters telling you what to do
20:04:59  <new1here> amn, now i need password :D
20:05:34  <PublicServer> *** patalnius has left the game (connection lost)
20:05:48  <planetmaker> indeed you do.
20:05:56  <planetmaker> @quickstart
20:05:59  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Quickstart
20:06:00  <planetmaker> !quickstart
20:06:15  <planetmaker> though I actually advise a slow start :-)
20:06:25  <KenjiE20> indeed :)
20:06:45  <new1here> :P
20:07:02  <KenjiE20> @slowstart
20:07:02  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
20:07:10  <planetmaker> :-D
20:07:27  <new1here> heh :P
20:07:51  <planetmaker> Have you ever played (O)TTD(P) before?
20:08:01  <new1here> yea
20:08:14  <new1here> :)
20:08:21  <new1here> for a month i think :)
20:08:26  <new1here> not much :)
20:08:34  <planetmaker> :-)
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20:09:14  <KenjiE20> np: The Prodigy - Their Law (05 Edit)
20:09:36  <KenjiE20> ^ woo, been after that track for years
20:09:38  <KenjiE20> finally worked out what it was
20:09:56  <new1here> !password
20:09:56  <PublicServer> new1here: scoops
20:10:19  <new1here> just 1 company?
20:10:35  <KenjiE20> I fear you know not how to coop
20:10:45  <PublicServer> *** patalnius joined the game
20:10:56  <new1here> what you mean>
20:10:58  <new1here> ? ;p
20:10:59  <KenjiE20> -_- yay more completely unrelated nicks
20:12:59  <PublicServer> *** patalnius has left the game (leaving)
20:13:04  <Wall-D> ammler online?
20:13:27  <new1here> interesting game type :D
20:15:15  <planetmaker> we always have only one company
20:15:23  <planetmaker> that's here the coop channel
20:18:18  <Nickman87> but we need a new map...
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20:21:21  <Wall-D> @seen ammler
20:21:21  <Webster> Wall-D: ammler was last seen in #openttdcoop 22 minutes and 24 seconds ago: <Ammler> here runs ntpd, so it should be ok.
20:24:33  <Ammler> Wall-D: I am here
20:24:51  <Nickman87> yay!
20:24:52  <Ammler> (don't highlight without content ;-)
20:24:54  <Nickman87> all bow!
20:24:58  <Wall-D> did you create a new user?
20:25:01  * Nickman87 bows
20:25:10  <Ammler> I queried you already
20:25:23  <Nickman87> Ammler, you should make a team for the ladder ;)
20:27:37  <Wall-D> sorry, webirc, didn't see it
20:35:57  <XeryusTC> Nickman87: or you go do it
20:36:01  <Nickman87> :p
20:36:08  <XeryusTC> as that will make you the owner giving special rights etc ;)
20:36:14  <Nickman87> What team name do you want Ammler? :)
20:38:41  <XeryusTC> just pick one
20:38:45  <XeryusTC> ammler can change it afterwards ;)
20:38:49  <Nickman87> :D
20:40:26  <Nickman87> now I have to make one up...
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20:41:23  <KenjiE20> ammman
20:41:36  <Nickman87> :d
20:41:54  <KenjiE20> :P
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20:50:28  <avdg> still finalizing?
20:50:32  <avdg> !playercount
20:50:32  <PublicServer> avdg: Number of players: 0
20:50:37  <avdg> :/
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20:52:36  <OwenS> *Pesters* XeryusTC, Ammler, someone gonna upload the new scenario? :-P
20:52:49  <XeryusTC> which new scenario?
20:52:58  <OwenS> Nobody has created one? :-(
20:57:57  <XeryusTC> nope
20:58:02  * XeryusTC pokes ODM 
20:58:06  <Ammler> oh, you didn't start the new game, yet
20:59:10  <Nickman87> avdg, we are still waiting for a new scenario :)
21:00:33  <Razaekel> somebody just do a flat 1024x map with random insdustries, small # of towns, and put a sign on it saying "get as many trains as you can on this map"
21:00:44  <Nickman87> :D
21:03:42  <hylje> föat
21:03:43  <hylje> flat
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21:09:21  <Ammler> Razaekel: lol
21:09:26  <XeryusTC> hmm
21:09:28  <XeryusTC> we could do that
21:09:30  <XeryusTC> with TTT :D
21:09:32  <Ammler> that game is predefined as failed
21:09:35  <OwenS> TTT =D
21:09:40  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
21:09:41  <PublicServer> Saving game...
21:09:42  <PublicServer> Game saved
21:09:44  <PublicServer> Server has exited
21:09:44  <XeryusTC> although TTT on that size is fail :P
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21:09:49  <ODM> thats a start
21:10:05  <Ammler> I meant the proposal of raz
21:10:45  <XeryusTC> Ammler: i got that
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21:10:53  <XeryusTC> also, Nickman87 wants something fromyou
21:10:55  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
21:10:55  <PublicServer> Starting new game: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)'
21:10:55  <PublicServer> Landscape: normal
21:10:55  <PublicServer> Dimensions: 256x256
21:10:55  <PublicServer> Starting year: 1980
21:10:57  <PublicServer> @revision r16903
21:10:57  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16903) | STAGE: finalize | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
21:11:06  <XeryusTC> !password
21:11:06  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: flours
21:11:11  <ODM> not yet, gotta load first
21:11:27  <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC joined the game
21:11:49  <Razaekel> TTT on a 1024x = fail?
21:11:52  <Razaekel> noes!
21:11:57  <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC has left the game (connection lost)
21:12:10  <ODM> !rcon load PSG152start.sav
21:12:16  <hylje> oh yeah
21:12:17  <OwenS> I vote OTT - One Tile Trains
21:12:18  <hylje> it wooorks
21:12:27  <ODM> did it?
21:12:49  <OwenS> Map 1024x512 Date 1950
21:12:52  <hylje> my turning of direct map array access into an inline function does in fact work
21:12:57  <OwenS> PSG152start.sav (Loaded game)
21:13:00  <XeryusTC> !password
21:13:00  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: flours
21:13:04  <hylje> this might find its way to openttd proper
21:13:07  <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC joined the game
21:13:16  <Razaekel> 3TT wont be quite as much fail
21:13:19  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
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21:13:20  <Ammler> yeah, 1TT \o
21:13:26  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hmm, tropic
21:13:35  <PublicServer> *** Owen joined the game
21:13:36  <OwenS> damn you beating me while I downloaded AV8 :p
21:13:50  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> :P
21:13:57  <hylje> dont worry
21:14:02  <hylje> im just compiling the coop build
21:15:03  <PublicServer> * Owen repays loan to cut down expenditure :p
21:15:36  <Nickman87> !password
21:15:36  <PublicServer> Nickman87: flours
21:16:03  <PublicServer> *** Nickman joined the game
21:16:19  * Razaekel cries and hugs his 1024x TTT scenario
21:16:40  <PublicServer> <Nickman> we use copper ore for MM?
21:16:55  <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (leaving)
21:16:56  <PublicServer> <Owen> I've forgotten what the normal MM is on such maps :p
21:17:03  <PublicServer> * Owen senses brain rust
21:17:19  <Razaekel> pax
21:17:25  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I have no idea so :)
21:17:34  <PublicServer> <Nickman> so we make airport?
21:18:06  <PublicServer> <Owen> *dies*
21:18:16  <^Spike^> !passwprd
21:18:18  <^Spike^> !password
21:18:18  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: flours
21:18:32  <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game
21:18:35  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I places MM signs?
21:18:45  <PublicServer> <Owen> OK?
21:19:46  <PublicServer> <Owen> Industries seem to be placed in clusters on this map
21:20:12  <PublicServer> <Owen> Whatever goes provided it's profitable :p
21:20:19  <PublicServer> <Owen> And doesn't bankrupt us in the process
21:21:33  <PublicServer> <Owen> Heck I cant' see how that won't work :p
21:21:33  <PublicServer> <Nickman> indeed clustered industries :D
21:21:44  <PublicServer> *** Razaekel has left the game (connection lost)
21:21:45  <PublicServer> <Nickman> so I build MM on my signs?
21:22:11  <PublicServer> <Owen> Sure, why not
21:23:14  <Wall-D> !password
21:23:14  <PublicServer> Wall-D: flours
21:23:49  <PublicServer> <Nickman> boeing 377?
21:24:16  <PublicServer> <Owen> Yeah
21:24:24  <PublicServer> <Owen> Beats the pants off everything else
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21:25:05  <PublicServer> <Nickman> look at those planes fill :D
21:25:18  <PublicServer> <Nickman> problem will be getting pax at other side I think :)
21:25:23  <PublicServer> <Nickman> city much smaller
21:25:23  <PublicServer> * Owen repays loan to reduce expendeture :P
21:25:38  <hylje> !password
21:25:38  <PublicServer> hylje: flours
21:25:43  <PublicServer> <Owen> I was gonna say you built far out but you walked it :p
21:26:00  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yeah, was trying to get to other city to, but to far :(
21:26:12  <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (connection lost)
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21:27:36  <PublicServer> <hylje> so fla
21:27:45  <PublicServer> <Wall-D> no tf needed
21:28:13  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :D
21:28:15  <PublicServer> <hylje> only if you're happy with tracks just slapped on the landscape
21:28:42  <PublicServer> *** Wall-D has left the game (connection lost)
21:29:03  <Wall-D> *grml* wlan connection
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21:30:58  <PublicServer> <Owen> Lots at Palermo Airport :p
21:31:16  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yup, but can't handle huge amout of planes :D
21:32:39  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I made MM3 to
21:32:50  <PublicServer> <Owen> =)
21:33:19  <PublicServer> <Nickman> mony will flow nicely ;)
21:33:49  <PublicServer> <Nickman> now we need a plan!
21:34:16  <PublicServer> <Owen> Yeah
21:35:41  <PublicServer> <Nickman> it is so easy to make money in OTTD... :D
21:35:52  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> jup
21:35:53  <PublicServer> <Nickman> just build some airports and your off!
21:36:03  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> you're*
21:36:08  <PublicServer> <Owen> £180k left to go
21:36:15  <PublicServer> <Nickman> indeed you're :D
21:37:22  <PublicServer> <Nickman> city growth on?
21:37:37  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yup, its on
21:37:44  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hope builds roads=off then
21:38:05  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :D
21:38:19  <PublicServer> <Owen> LOAN: £0
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21:38:57  <ODM> !setdef
21:38:57  <PublicServer> *** ODM has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
21:39:31  <PublicServer> <Owen> While I remember... Whats the "PBS show reserved path" debug flag thingy called?
21:40:15  <ODM> !rcon patch town_growth_rate 0
21:40:26  <ODM> its off now
21:40:28  <PublicServer> <Owen> And nobody has drawn a church yet for OpenGFX :p
21:40:41  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I saw one today?
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21:41:07  <ostannard> !password
21:41:07  <PublicServer> ostannard: anting
21:41:31  <PublicServer> *** Oliver joined the game
21:42:29  <ODM> archive added, used namelist from ingame to add
21:42:55  <ODM> ostannard, please make sure your ingame name matches your irc name
21:44:13  <PublicServer> <Owen> I suppose we can start planning
21:44:38  <ODM> feel free to:)
21:44:51  <ODM> though industries are clustered, most will die, so you wont have to assume that
21:45:01  <ODM> (unless ofcourse you refund them like that to keep spirit)
21:46:02  <PublicServer> <Owen> So was it 2TT or 3TT?
21:46:25  <ODM> its whatever you plan it to be:) no external rules
21:46:49  <SmatZ> !stage MM & planning
21:46:57  <SmatZ> @stage MM & planning
21:46:57  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16903) | STAGE: MM & planning | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
21:47:07  <PublicServer> <Nickman> make a planning zone ;)
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21:47:18  <PublicServer> <Owen> I vote... top corner :p
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21:47:46  <PublicServer> <Nickman> yeah, maybe then the plans won't interfere to much whith the network :D
21:47:52  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hmm
21:48:02  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> plans often have industries in corners
21:48:36  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> done :)
21:48:49  <PublicServer> <Owen> Right in the middle?
21:48:58  <PublicServer> <Nickman> :)
21:49:07  <PublicServer> <Owen> Wheren an ML is likely to come rolling through? :p
21:49:10  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> it won't interfere with networks
21:49:14  <hylje> i'm tempted to implement a maximally pointless network
21:49:28  <PublicServer> <Owen> hylje: How maximally pointless?
21:49:34  <Razaekel> what's the point of a pointless network?
21:49:49  <ODM> good point
21:50:23  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hey... What train types does TTRS have?
21:50:26  <PublicServer> <Owen> TRS**
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21:52:06  <hylje> i was considering something that has elaborate 4-way hubs which are not intended for trains to use
21:52:23  <hylje> yes, 4-ways in a 256x1024
21:52:38  <PublicServer> <Owen> 512x1024
21:52:43  <ODM> make it diagonal just to increase difficulty:P
21:52:48  <hylje> yeah
21:52:55  <PublicServer> <Nickman> not intended for trains to use?
21:53:10  <hylje> the tracks would have a point if they were used by trains
21:53:12  <hylje> we cant have that
21:53:14  <OwenS> Does Tropic Refurb Set have any maglev/monorail types?
21:53:40  <ODM> so long ago i cant remember:p
21:53:47  <ODM> lemme cheat a bit ingame
21:53:58  <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (connection lost)
21:54:17  <hylje> instead profitable cargo is transported on a secondary network
21:55:30  <ODM> nope, no monorail or maglev as i can tell
21:55:50  <PublicServer> <Owen> OK. Just wondering 'bout a Maglev goods net
21:56:15  <hylje> also, primary (unused) network would be built on 4 tiles above sea level
21:56:25  <ODM> heh
21:56:29  <ODM> hylje, why are you so bored
21:56:43  <hylje> why not?
21:56:50  <hylje> i just got my ottd hacking to a happy start
21:57:03  <ODM> you looked bored for the last couple of games, just wondering if somethings wrong:p
21:57:47  <hylje> i didnt play last game after plan stage
21:58:30  <hylje> the one before was pretty nice
21:58:37  <hylje> rebuilding the goods ML
21:58:59  <hylje> but some bastards went and rebuilt my awesome station and replaced it with a boring and efficient terminus
21:59:09  <ODM> aw how lame:P
21:59:11  <ODM> anyway, bed here
21:59:13  <ODM> night all
21:59:14  <hylje> ni
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22:00:00  <PublicServer> <Owen> I have a feeling... That 3TT + Two insanely busy stations implies... lots of fun! =P
22:05:17  <planetmaker> @gamenr 152
22:05:31  <planetmaker> @psg 152
22:05:31  <Webster> Public Server Game
22:06:00  <planetmaker> @topic s/151/152/
22:06:00  <Webster> planetmaker: (topic [<channel>]) -- Returns the topic for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:06:19  <planetmaker> @topic change s/151/152/
22:06:27  <planetmaker> @topic change 1 s/151/152/
22:06:27  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #151 (r16903) | STAGE: MM & planning | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
22:06:33  <planetmaker> @topic change 2 s/151/152/
22:06:33  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #152 (r16903) | STAGE: MM & planning | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Client record: 24 | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Get a userpage if you don't have one yet | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder"
22:06:36  <KenjiE20> setpsg
22:06:38  <PublicServer> <Nickman> I'm off to bed ;)
22:06:42  <PublicServer> <Nickman> vote for my plan! :D
22:06:45  <PublicServer> *** Nickman has left the game (leaving)
22:06:55  <Nickman87> night!
22:07:00  <planetmaker> good night
22:07:05  <planetmaker> And I'm off, too
22:07:10  <planetmaker> So also from here a good night
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22:11:58  <PublicServer> <Owen> I think my plan is quite probably best described by one word
22:11:59  <PublicServer> <Owen> Insane
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22:14:57  <hylje> do you mean "fun"?
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22:16:02  <OwenS> hylje: Yes. When it's time to fix a station serving ~750 trains :p
22:16:15  <OwenS> As will inevitably happen as this is a 3TT game
22:18:02  <Razaekel> !password
22:18:02  <PublicServer> Razaekel: galore
22:18:11  <PublicServer> *** Razaekel joined the game
22:20:25  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> back
22:20:41  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> the ladder site is very jQuery-y now :D
22:22:12  <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC has left the game (connection lost)
22:26:50  <OwenS> URL?
22:27:24  <KenjiE20> /topic Why do we bother?
22:27:39  <OwenS> Woops forgot :p
22:28:54  <OwenS> XeryusTC: What kind of password security you using anyway?
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22:29:15  <XeryusTC> OwenS: what do you mean?
22:29:22  <OwenS> How are you storing the passwords?
22:30:01  <XeryusTC> md5 hash
22:30:13  <XeryusTC> but well, i'm converting all my ajax to use jQuery
22:30:39  <OwenS> md5 hash of password can be broken in seconds
22:30:43  <XeryusTC> as currently i am a lazy bastard and just output all the html that needs to replace the old page :P
22:31:05  <XeryusTC> OwenS: i know, but i dont really care :P
22:31:06  <OwenS> Firstly, MD5 has security flaws and shouldn't be used. Secondly just hashing is not adequite protection
22:31:20  <XeryusTC> no one is easilly going to access the data anyway :P
22:31:31  <Ammler> [00:30] <OwenS> md5 hash of password can be broken in seconds <-- show me
22:31:36  <KenjiE20> ^ this
22:31:46  <OwenS> www.google.com/search?q=Rainbow+table
22:31:46  <XeryusTC> also, what security flaws?
22:31:58  <hylje> salt + hash(salt + secret)
22:32:35  <OwenS> XeryusTC: Colissions
22:32:57  <XeryusTC> uhm, the point of hashing is that you can get collisions afaik :P
22:33:00  <Ammler> how does wordpress save the pw?
22:33:36  * OwenS looks up
22:33:39  <Ammler> XeryusTC: with openid, you wouldn't need to care :P
22:33:54  <XeryusTC> Ammler: but not everyone has an openid
22:33:59  <XeryusTC> also, i dont currently care about it:P
22:34:07  <Ammler> well, then he can make a blog account
22:34:20  <OwenS> I have a blog account
22:34:33  <XeryusTC> maybe i'll made openid support later
22:34:35  <XeryusTC> but not now :P
22:34:40  <KenjiE20> it still takes 200 ps3s 2 weeks to crack
22:34:41  <Ammler> :-)
22:34:55  <OwenS> KenjiE20: Or you just use a rainbow table
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22:35:38  <Webster> Whatever it is, you're doing it wrong
22:35:43  *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v PeterT
22:35:45  <Ammler> OwenS: but you need the md5 hash
22:36:00  <OwenS> Ammler: Yes. Servers get hacked all the time.
22:36:16  <XeryusTC> well
22:36:17  <PeterT> !password
22:36:17  <PublicServer> PeterT: frocks
22:36:30  <XeryusTC> ammler, can you change your php then so it uses a different salt for md5?
22:36:31  <Ammler> oh well, you mean, he could as good save the pws in plain text ;-)
22:36:33  <narc> Bah. You're forgetting the important part of security analysis: how important is this password?
22:36:39  <XeryusTC> :P
22:36:57  <KenjiE20> meh, I use a different randomly generated 115-120but password for each site
22:37:08  <KenjiE20> s/but/bit/
22:37:21  <Ammler> XeryusTC: you could use the sha hash
22:37:29  <OwenS> SHA and a SALT
22:37:36  <OwenS> Salt is important!
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22:37:38  <OwenS> And it's not hard!
22:37:44  <XeryusTC> KenjiE20: how do you keep track of which password belongs to which site then?
22:37:51  <KenjiE20> KeePass
22:38:01  <PublicServer> <Peter> ohh, nice small map
22:38:02  <KenjiE20> which has a stronger local password
22:38:14  <KenjiE20> which I use nowhere else
22:38:21  <Ammler> OwenS: do you use the same password everywhere?
22:38:26  <XeryusTC> OwenS: but md5 is plenty of security for this afaik :P
22:38:30  <KenjiE20> and is a 256bit vault file
22:39:11  <OwenS> Ammler: No. But since my memory is not infinite I have a series of passwords I use, depending upon how valuable the protected data is, and so some other places would be compromised
22:39:17  <PeterT> before i pust on the forums
22:39:26  <PeterT> any idea why my server doesnt show up on the list?
22:39:32  <PeterT> ports fowarded
22:39:35  <OwenS> Admittedly most of those would be forum accounts, however, it's still a pain
22:39:47  <PeterT> server_advertise true
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22:40:04  <KenjiE20> @herald get Peter
22:40:04  <Webster> KenjiE20: Whatever it is, you're doing it wrong
22:40:19  <PeterT> @herald
22:40:36  <PeterT> kenji, really, i need some help
22:40:46  <PeterT> any other settings i could tweak to make it work?
22:41:17  <KenjiE20> I already used my crystal ball quota for the day
22:41:18  <OwenS> XeryusTC: Wordpress uses http://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/trunk/wp-includes/class-phpass.php
22:41:20  <Webster> Title: /trunk/wp-includes/class-phpass.php – WordPress Trac (at core.trac.wordpress.org)
22:41:28  <PeterT> kenji...
22:42:19  <KenjiE20> okay, layman's terms; How the buggery should I know?
22:43:31  <PeterT> ideas/
22:43:33  <PeterT> ?
22:44:01  <Xaroth> er
22:44:03  <Xaroth> there's another setting
22:44:16  <PeterT> yes?
22:45:06  <Xaroth> lan_internet = 0
22:45:38  <PeterT> ok thanks
22:46:29  <PeterT> command or variable not found
22:46:39  <Ammler> the mysql server would support sha1, so this might be the easiest
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22:47:52  <Ammler> PeterT: the server is reaachable with the direct ip?
22:47:59  <PeterT> no
22:48:10  <Ammler> so make it first reachable
22:48:18  <Ammler> then think about advertising
22:48:20  <PeterT> i have ports fowarded
22:48:26  <Xaroth> PeterT: it's a cfg value
22:48:35  <PeterT> oh
22:48:41  <Xaroth> just like server_bind_ip
22:48:46  <Xaroth> set those to the proper values
22:48:54  <Ammler> lan_internet isn't for server
22:49:02  <PeterT> whats it for?
22:49:03  * Xaroth shrugs
22:49:15  <Ammler> it just filters, doen't
22:49:35  <KenjiE20> Ammler: RE: wordpress; are AUTH_KEY, SECURE_AUTH_KEY, LOGGED_IN_KEY, NONCE_KEY set?
22:49:36  <Ammler> using netbios or su
22:49:52  <Ammler> ?
22:51:18  <PeterT> ammler, what do you mean by making it reachable?
22:51:44  <Ammler> ok, this is my md5 hash, how is the password? c3398916ee82ad2edcbdb06e2fa8040d
22:52:10  <Ammler> PeterT: first your server should be reachable by other clients
22:52:11  <Razaekel> i think im done with my plan
22:52:18  <Ammler> then it might also be advertised.
22:52:30  <PeterT> so, how can i do that?
22:52:41  <PeterT> this is the whole problem
22:52:46  <Ammler> @man multiplayer
22:52:56  <Webster> Multiplayer - OpenTTD - http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=multiplayer
22:53:42  <Ammler> OwenS: I am waiting for my pw ;-)
22:54:26  <Razaekel> verzug?
22:54:52  <Ammler> wow
22:55:02  <Ammler> that was fast
22:55:08  <Razaekel> i had to hit up google
22:55:18  <PeterT> no help
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22:55:56  <Xaroth> Ammler: http://passcracking.com/index.php
22:55:59  <Webster> Title: Passwords recovery - MD5, SHA1, MySQL (at passcracking.com)
22:56:15  <Ammler> omg, if you have only such dummy passwords
22:56:23  <Razaekel> http://gdataonline.com/seekhash.php
22:56:24  <Webster> Title: GData: An Online MD5 Hash DatabaseOnline MD5 Cracker (at gdataonline.com)
22:56:42  <PeterT> http://youtube.com
22:56:43  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (at youtube.com)
22:56:56  <OwenS> Ammler: There are some VERY exhaustive rainbow tables out there
22:57:10  <PeterT> Xaroth, I thank you
22:57:18  <PeterT> i have changed lan_internet to 0
22:57:20  <PeterT> it works!
22:57:26  <Xaroth> :)
22:57:28  <PeterT> i can connect myself
22:57:34  <PeterT> i will ask someone to connect to me
22:57:38  <PeterT> thanks 1000 times!
22:57:41  <Razaekel> i know one site has over 500 GBs of rainbow tables
22:57:45  <PeterT> you too Ammler
22:57:50  <PeterT> i will add that to the wiki
22:57:54  <PeterT> :D
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22:59:08  <Xaroth> Ammler: yeh, random blabber won't get picked up by it
22:59:18  <Xaroth> but you'd be surprised how fooking easy user's passwords are
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23:16:03  <Webster> The third coop bot
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23:16:08  <Razaekel> nice netsplit >.<
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23:23:06  <KenjiE20> <+OwenS> again?!  <-- was that at me?
23:28:20  <KenjiE20> still can't reverse my password on those pages, think you can?
23:31:15  <XeryusTC> w00t
23:31:19  <XeryusTC> more updates to the ladder site :D
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23:38:47  <OwenS> KenjiE20: It was at nte split
23:38:57  <KenjiE20> ok, wasn't sure
23:54:03  <KenjiE20> heh, still can't get my password back from that md5 from any site
23:54:18  <KenjiE20> md5's still plenty secure enough for me

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