Log for #openttdcoop on 8th July 2010:
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00:05:13  <VVG> that's enough for me for today
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00:22:15  <Train_man> testr
00:22:18  <Train_man> !join
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00:22:21  <Train_man> !password
00:22:21  <PublicServer> Train_man: bestow
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00:38:50  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> Trainman
00:39:03  <PublicServer> <Train_man> yeah?
00:39:27  <PublicServer> <Train_man> yes?
00:39:30  <PublicServer> <Train_man> hello?
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00:40:36  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> You seemed to be confused about the bbh, me too, in fact bbah 02 = bbh04, try to see this link, might help :)
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01:24:50  <Train_man1> s
01:24:56  <Train_man1> !password
01:24:56  <PublicServer> Train_man1: lander
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01:35:19  <PublicServer> <Train_man> can someone show me how to create a "load balancer"?
01:36:15  <PublicServer> <Train_man> ramsus?
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02:49:04  <De_Ghosty> a load balance
02:49:11  <De_Ghosty> how many lines to how many lines
02:49:21  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> he has left a while ago....
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05:12:26  <Train_man1> !password
05:12:26  <PublicServer> Train_man1: webbed
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07:53:58  <asnoehu> oo
07:54:02  <asnoehu> havent talked here in a whil
07:54:16  <asnoehu> !download win64
07:54:16  <PublicServer> asnoehu:
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07:57:34  <tycoondemon> !newgrf
07:57:34  <PublicServer> tycoondemon: Please use /msg for the newgrf list (and use !grf)
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07:58:42  <tycoondemon> !password
07:58:42  <PublicServer> tycoondemon: meeter
07:59:06  <tycoondemon> !password
07:59:06  <PublicServer> tycoondemon: stoles
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08:00:43  <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> V allways wins !!!
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08:01:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> He appears top be the best planner.
08:03:53  <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> he is allmost a genious
08:04:18  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Quite.
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08:25:49  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
08:25:49  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: caking
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08:37:54  <tycoondemon> MAZURRRRR
08:39:56  <Mazur> Yes?
08:40:00  <Mazur> !players
08:40:01  <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 180 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
08:40:02  <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 191 (Orange) is Lukeus_Maximus, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
08:40:02  <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 188 (Orange) is tycoondemon, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
08:40:02  <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 189 is Spike, a spectator
08:41:31  <tycoondemon> I dont know
08:41:37  <tycoondemon> it just sounds nice you know
08:41:45  <tycoondemon> when you say it like mazurrrr
08:41:53  <tycoondemon> the rolling r
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08:43:02  <Mazur> Ah yes, I had a girlfriend once with an 'r' that rolled all the way down to fire up the engine.
08:43:22  <tycoondemon> :O
08:43:27  <tycoondemon> why once
08:43:48  <Mazur> I let her go.
08:43:53  <Mazur> *weep*
08:43:53  <tycoondemon> how nice of you
08:44:04  <tycoondemon> must have been a relief for her
08:44:08  <tycoondemon> finaly free
08:44:09  <Mazur> Stupid is the word.
08:44:35  <tycoondemon> still very whole hearted
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08:47:31  <planetmaker> don't look back in grief
08:48:51  <planetmaker> Willst Du einen Vogel lieben, so laß ihn fliegen. Mit etwas glück, kommt er voll Freuden zurück.
08:49:15  <planetmaker> Poems don't translate well.
08:49:44  <planetmaker> I'm afraid I still didn't get the rythm quite right
08:53:15  <Mazur> Burt the gist is right.
08:53:43  <Mazur> She didn't come back, though, she went off with a biker, and the family moved away, as well.
08:53:58  <planetmaker> :`-(
08:54:28  <planetmaker> Oh well, I know how it goes. Guess why and when I wrote the poem above...
08:55:17  <Mazur> I have similar poems.
08:55:20  <Mazur> ;-)
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08:58:24  <planetmaker> :-)
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09:03:42  <hylje> are you implying german can be poetic
09:04:38  <Mazur> ASre you suggesting they can't be?
09:04:41  <Mazur> -S
09:06:04  <Mazur> Never heard of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe?
09:06:16  <tycoondemon> its a nice poem
09:06:26  <Mazur> Friedrich Nietschze?
09:06:52  <tycoondemon> german names dont mean german poems :p
09:06:54  <Mazur> Or rather: Friedrich Nietzsche?
09:08:15  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
09:08:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> hay
09:08:52  <Mazur> Still, even German women can be so beautiful as to inspire the most prozaïc mind to poetry.
09:09:00  <Mazur> Hey.
09:09:06  <planetmaker> Friedrich Schiller, Erich Fried, Reiner Kunze Rainer Maira Rilke, Hoffmann von Fallersleben, Joseph von Eichendorff... :-)
09:09:21  <planetmaker> yes, they can...
09:09:28  <planetmaker> moin V453000
09:09:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
09:09:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> the SE depots are nice for candy btw :)
09:09:45  <Mazur> I sat beside one in Paris during a river tour.
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09:14:15  <planetmaker> thanks, V453000 :-)
09:14:23  <planetmaker> And I do agree :-)
09:14:36  <planetmaker> Though... graphics credits, of course, go to Irwe.
09:14:43  <tycoondemon> V453000, you are declared semi genious
09:14:52  <V453000> hmf?
09:15:10  <V453000> planetmaker: yea :(
09:15:11  <V453000> :)
09:15:16  <V453000> damn ( ) key
09:15:19  <planetmaker> :-)
09:15:25  <tycoondemon> for allways winning design vote
09:15:52  <V453000> uhm
09:15:57  <V453000> well to be honest
09:16:07  <V453000> this time none of the other plans made sense or worked
09:16:27  <V453000> only Yso had some idea/or it actually did not totally fail
09:16:42  <V453000> so it was kind of clear :(
09:16:48  <tycoondemon> genious
09:16:48  <planetmaker> be nice :-)
09:16:55  <V453000> I am nice
09:17:00  <planetmaker> maybe they just didn't manage to express their idea so clearly as you :-)
09:17:07  <tycoondemon> geniouses allwys only see there own point as best
09:17:13  <Lukeus_Maximus> V453000, strangely your plan was the most complicated and made even less sense, but I'll go with it
09:17:26  <tycoondemon> nice one Lukeus_Maximus
09:18:01  <Lukeus_Maximus> s/most complicated/one with the most labels
09:18:09  <V453000> planetmaker: when you want a MSH for every industry in FIRS, and then double the amount "just because" and then you want to even balance the traffic over both halves of map, and additionally balance them over a all-cargoes transfer line .. what sense does that make ;
09:18:25  <V453000> yea .... but compare it to the one I just described
09:18:30  <V453000> this is much easier to build
09:18:48  <Lukeus_Maximus> I'll agree with that
09:18:52  <V453000> because you exactly know what to build, you know where to build it, and it is "normal"
09:19:02  <Lukeus_Maximus> also an understanding of FIRS seems to be required
09:19:46  <tycoondemon> he is so wonderfull and clear
09:19:55  <tycoondemon> our semi genious V453000 :)
09:20:00  <V453000> -.-
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09:20:55  <Mazur> Except I can't build hubs in hilly terrain, yet, nor half in lakes.
09:21:00  <tycoondemon> can I sponsor openttdcoop to get an @? :P
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09:21:42  <V453000> sponsor us with some nice contributions :)
09:22:02  <planetmaker> tycoondemon: #openttdcoop is a merit-ocracy
09:22:04  <Mazur> Does anyone know why my zoom keys '-' and '=' aren;t working?
09:22:12  <Mazur> In Coop?
09:22:24  <tycoondemon> contributions to source or to games?
09:22:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is the server zoom patch :D
09:22:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> probably
09:22:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> but wtf
09:22:36  <V453000> Ammler: this is weird
09:23:00  <Mazur> I need them, V, to be able to see the larger picture, literally, when I'm building.
09:23:08  <Ammler> good morning
09:23:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> mouse wheeeeel?
09:23:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi Ammler
09:23:13  <Ammler> V453000: ?
09:23:14  <planetmaker> not a plutocracy ;-)
09:23:16  <Mazur> Good morning, Ammler.
09:23:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> read up
09:23:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> with zoom
09:23:32  <Ammler> sponsoring?
09:23:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> nah
09:23:46  <planetmaker> But... if you feel like, tycoondemon, we're free to accept sponsoring.
09:23:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> + and - keys dont work for zooming :D
09:23:53  <Mazur> V453000, mouse wheels have the tendency to be touched while clicking, with me.
09:23:55  <planetmaker> What and how do you want to donate?
09:23:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> I have no clue how come
09:25:09  <Mazur> Anyone?
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09:27:34  <tycoondemon> planetmaker, what is currently missing what is really needed?
09:27:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> I need beer
09:27:53  <planetmaker> :-D
09:28:00  <tycoondemon> !:d
09:28:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> Desperately.
09:28:15  <Mazur> Then get one, you ninny.
09:28:16  <tycoondemon> maybe I can sponser some openttd beer
09:28:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> yea
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09:29:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw
09:29:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> what do we need money for? :d
09:29:21  <tycoondemon> dont know
09:29:27  <tycoondemon> you might need money to live
09:29:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> well
09:29:40  <tycoondemon> and to have free time to play coop
09:29:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> to live by openttd is kinda ...
09:29:56  <tycoondemon> free tim is something I dont have much of :(
09:30:35  <planetmaker> he :-(
09:32:10  <tycoondemon> I just want the @!!! :P what ever I have to do for it :S
09:32:14  <tycoondemon> :P
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09:32:33  <planetmaker> @calc 39*12
09:32:33  <Webster> planetmaker: 468
09:33:04  <tycoondemon> maybe better host for servers, so nomore connection losts?
09:33:08  <planetmaker> V453000: well... the public server is sponsored by Ralph, who IIRC runs his own hosting service. Still it'll cost him
09:33:13  <Mazur> !password
09:33:13  <PublicServer> Mazur: larked
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09:33:50  <planetmaker> The DevZone (mz.openttdcoop,, devserver, coopetition server) cost Ammler and me just short of 500€ per year
09:34:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> that isnt low :)
09:34:21  <Mazur> Depends on how much you make in a year.
09:34:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> and it still isnt low :)
09:34:36  <Mazur> It'd be low for for instance, Bill Gates.
09:34:42  <planetmaker> Osai pays for the webserver, but ... we try to move it to a common server
09:36:02  <planetmaker> tycoondemon: Our servers don't suffer from connection issues. If you loose connection that's due to the connection failing somewhere on your end
09:36:18  <planetmaker> or due to a too low processor of yours in the later game stages
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09:37:11  <planetmaker> one thing I
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09:37:48  <planetmaker> *could* imagine is to move the secondary servers to a separate server... so that they don't cross-talk anymore with the devzone
09:38:15  <planetmaker> and I can also imagine to keep the webserver on its own machine
09:38:39  <tycoondemon> I dont have connection lossen but they come by from time to time
09:39:24  <tycoondemon> DevZone is like a single machien or a vertual rented server?
09:39:39  <tycoondemon> dammn my spelling
09:40:26  <tycoondemon> so no finacial help needed?
09:40:36  <planetmaker> devzone is currently a vserver
09:41:08  <planetmaker> tycoondemon: I guess we (openttdcoop) should really think of how to accept contributions in that respect.
09:41:15  <planetmaker> We just have so far no policy there...
09:41:16  <tycoondemon> what about bandwidth, all those recomiles of every nightly
09:41:38  <tycoondemon> ic
09:41:50  <tycoondemon> there is no real openttdcoop leader or something
09:41:56  <tycoondemon> its all 'open' :P
09:42:16  <planetmaker> bandwidth is no real problem. Servers come with 100Mbit connectivity and several TB free traffic per month
09:42:45  <planetmaker> we only compile the server's binary. The download links from ap+ are the official download links of openttd
09:43:09  <planetmaker> And the traffic from the DevZone for all newgrfs and stuff... not high either
09:43:18  <tycoondemon> well, its just that, openttdcoop is seriously THE best gaming thing I have aver found, in my opinion, and I want contribute
09:43:40  <tycoondemon> right
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09:44:02  <V453000> you support us just by being with us :)
09:44:23  <planetmaker> tycoondemon: :-) thanks. I guess that's why I'm here, too. I found it... and got stuck :-)
09:44:32  <tycoondemon> bam, I will be here untill I die, that is a fact
09:44:39  <planetmaker> :-D
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09:45:57  <V453000> !password
09:45:58  <PublicServer> V453000: avowal
09:46:30  <Lukeus_Maximus> your connection be damned!
09:46:41  <V453000> indeed
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09:47:55  <tycoondemon|supporter> he is still on wireless probablt
09:48:00  <V453000> my wifi router wodl need a beer too :D
09:48:05  <V453000> would
09:48:39  <tycoondemon|supporter> I noticed that openttd is less smooth when connection to a server via wireless
09:49:07  <V453000> dunno
09:49:10  <V453000> most of the time it is fine
09:49:11  <Mazur> I wouldn't know, my local network is all WIFI.
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09:50:39  <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: I guess that depends upon how stable the wifi is.
09:51:14  <V453000> I think it just overheated in my case atm
09:51:21  <planetmaker> OpenTTD communicates with the server the time tick which the server's at and a hash of the game state
09:51:26  <V453000> it is under the rooftop and there is Fing hot
09:51:35  <planetmaker> if packets are lost... your client might think it should not continue :-)
09:52:51  <Yso> @gap 19
09:52:51  <Webster> Yso: For Trainlength of 19: <= 25 needs 2, 26 - 46 needs 3, 47 - 67 needs 4.
09:52:59  <Yso> @gap 5
09:52:59  <Webster> Yso: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4.
09:53:04  <Lukeus_Maximus> MSH 02 a -> FOOD DROP ML complete!
09:53:11  <tycoondemon|supporter> well the trains just move a litlle more shocky when connecting via wireless
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09:53:56  <Lukeus_Maximus> what does "<= 11 needs 2" mean?
09:54:13  <tycoondemon|supporter> 2 tunnels/bridges?
09:54:21  <tycoondemon|supporter> (just a gues)
09:54:24  <PublicServer> <Spike> if gap <= 11you need 2 tunnels/bridges
09:54:52  <tycoondemon|supporter> coop lingo is cool
09:55:10  <tycoondemon|supporter> maybe we should make a coop video promotial
09:55:17  <Lukeus_Maximus> bigger train gap = more tunnels/bridges? I thought it would be the other way around
09:57:25  <Yso> not the traingap, it's the signaling gap
09:57:43  <PublicServer> <Spike> damn that's a big balancer.. almost feel like making it a roundabout.. :D
09:58:16  <planetmaker> :-O roundabout = portals to hell
09:58:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> ;)
09:58:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> was just looking to fit in a balancer to one of the food drops
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09:59:01  <PublicServer> <Spike> but seemed like a bad idea :)
09:59:16  <PublicServer> <Spike> where i wanted it that is
10:00:21  <V453000> !password
10:00:21  <PublicServer> V453000: busier
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10:00:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> heyaheoheye
10:00:54  <PublicServer> <Mazur> H, v
10:02:03  <PublicServer> <Spike> seems without realizing it i build me stations the right way around
10:02:36  <tycoondemon|supporter> slowly your unconcious mind starts addapting to the coop way
10:02:47  <PublicServer> <Spike> i hope it does by now after almost a year :D
10:02:53  <PublicServer> <Spike> damn.. i've been here for almost a year..
10:03:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> only 1?
10:03:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> o_O
10:03:21  <^Spike^> yeah.. before you joined i was the shortest here :D
10:03:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
10:03:40  <^Spike^> august 26 it is a year...
10:04:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am here for longer time I think :)
10:04:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> but not actively
10:04:08  <^Spike^> could be :)
10:04:19  <^Spike^> but still you're a new member the shortest ;)
10:04:23  <^Spike^> you're the new guy still ;)
10:04:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
10:04:32  <Lukeus_Maximus> I'm a new guy!
10:04:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> newby iz mey :)
10:04:40  <Lukeus_Maximus> How could you not notice me!
10:04:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I have a still!
10:05:04  <PublicServer> <Spike> Lukeus_Maximus: go make me a balance at the S food drop then ;)
10:05:21  <PublicServer> <Spike> the N one will balance itself out when leaving the station
10:06:09  <tycoondemon|supporter> I am more new
10:06:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> no me!
10:06:25  <tycoondemon|supporter> like 3132141232
10:06:26  <tycoondemon|supporter> !!!
10:06:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> you guys fight out who makes my balancer then ;)
10:06:31  <tycoondemon|supporter> take taht
10:06:47  <tycoondemon|supporter> I am at wotk, cant play
10:07:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I would if I could, but I can't so I shan't.
10:07:06  <planetmaker> Lukeus_Maximus: new guys are not *that* uncommon here; though we do notice them.
10:07:07  <^Spike^> 1 new guy down 2 to go ;)
10:07:18  <planetmaker> But... I've seen your nick before. So you're not entirely new ;-)
10:07:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> he is here since ~180 I think
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10:09:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> fuck
10:09:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> guys?
10:09:11  <Yso> ?
10:09:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> machine shop done :D
10:09:23  <PublicServer> * Mazur <----181
10:09:57  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And no prior TTD experience in any form or format.
10:09:58  <Piyush> !password
10:09:59  <PublicServer> Piyush: busier
10:10:02  <^Spike^> !rcon save 188-build
10:10:03  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: Saving map...
10:10:03  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: Map successfully saved to 188-build.sav
10:10:11  <^Spike^> need to restart server for a moment :)
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10:10:24  <^Spike^> AKA: YOU DISCONNECT DO! :)
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10:10:38  <^Spike^> !rcon exit
10:10:40  <PublicServer> Server has exited
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10:10:49  <V453000> end of the world!
10:10:49  <Lukeus_Maximus> wut?
10:10:57  <Lukeus_Maximus> I hope that saved!!!
10:11:09  <^Spike^> yeah i saved
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10:11:33  <V453000> !password
10:11:39  <^Spike^> something broke ap
10:11:40  <V453000> hey :D
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10:11:49  <^Spike^> take 2...
10:11:53  <^Spike^> and i run..! :)
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10:11:59  <V453000> :<
10:12:09  <Lukeus_Maximus> great.... you broke it...
10:12:17  <V453000> yeaaa
10:12:19  <V453000> its not me :P
10:12:38  <^Spike^> me good :D
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10:13:18  <^Spike^> wrong save name :D
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10:13:20  <^Spike^> me good.. :D
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10:13:27  <V453000> hmm :D
10:13:30  <V453000> yea good :D
10:13:32  <Yso> hm....
10:13:32  <Lukeus_Maximus> fail
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10:13:40  <V453000> aaand down
10:13:41  <^Spike^> i sigh more with the moment
10:13:43  <V453000> no?
10:13:44  <V453000> :D
10:13:45  <V453000> :)
10:13:49  <Lukeus_Maximus> wait for it...
10:13:53  <^Spike^> stupid gave doesn.t like without .sav :)
10:13:57  <V453000> !password biatch
10:13:57  <PublicServer> V453000: beeves
10:14:12  <Piyush> !password
10:14:12  <PublicServer> Piyush: beeves
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10:14:24  <Lukeus_Maximus> dammit queue
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10:14:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> What queue?
10:17:04  <tycoondemon|supporter> what about a server with a high clocked cpu so we can make networks more complex?
10:18:07  <Mazur> The problem seems more to be the clients' CPUs.
10:19:38  <Mazur> If the clients CPU tasks could be threaded, the clients could handle more and then we could do more.
10:20:12  <hylje> if the server could do the clients' work only once we could put clients on 486s
10:20:15  <tycoondemon|supporter> I believe that mutitheading wasnot on the delopers agenda any time soon
10:20:40  <PublicServer> <Piyush> whats the TL?
10:20:42  <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: multi-threading means to re-write many core concepts of the game
10:21:05  <Yso> Piyush, 5
10:21:11  <hylje> multithreading would involve some extent of de-determinisming the code
10:21:11  <PublicServer> <Piyush> thanks
10:21:13  <Mazur> No, but the clients are the main bottleneck for more complicated or larger games, now.
10:21:26  <Mazur> Just saying,
10:21:29  <hylje> the bottleneck is the synchronization based netcode
10:21:45  <hylje> openttd is fully synchronized and limited by the slowest peer
10:22:04  <hylje> if it were asynchronous the limit would zoom to the fastest peer
10:22:13  <Mazur> So we need bigger potties.
10:22:24  <Mazur> So the slowest peer can pee faster.
10:22:31  <hylje> ha. ha.
10:22:43  <Mazur> I know, I know...
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10:22:58  <Mazur> Couldn't resist, though.
10:23:01  <Mazur> Hi, V.
10:23:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> hy
10:23:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> wah?
10:23:16  <Mazur> :-)
10:23:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> we have seen each other today ...
10:23:36  <Vitus> Hey Mazur
10:23:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh
10:23:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
10:23:56  <planetmaker> [12:21]	<hylje>	openttd is fully synchronized and limited by the slowest peer <-- not true
10:24:01  <planetmaker> The game speed is hard-coded
10:24:04  <tycoondemon|supporter> so, all I have to do is erwright the core of game?
10:24:05  <Mazur> Just having my little fun.
10:24:21  <planetmaker> And the server sets the speed the game progresses
10:24:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> Vitus: come build :)
10:24:27  <hylje> planetmaker: a sufficiently complex game will see the slowest peers unable to keep up
10:24:47  <planetmaker> yes. Because the server determines the speed. And the latter is hard-coded.
10:25:01  <planetmaker> Unless the server is too week to run the game at the hard-coded speed
10:25:03  <Vitus> V453000: Can't now, have to do something and lunch soon anyways
10:25:05  <planetmaker> *weak
10:25:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
10:25:19  <Mazur> Plenty fun stuff to build, Vitus.
10:25:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> if this overflow fails, I go hang myself :D
10:25:52  <PublicServer> <Piyush> the line in the top seems to be stuck withoth terraforming
10:25:55  <PublicServer> <Piyush> lol
10:27:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Should be easy to subtly sabotage.
10:27:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh ew :D
10:27:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> found one big mistake
10:28:36  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003D6F4:
10:28:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The plaan, right, that's the mistake?
10:28:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> nah
10:28:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> in the station
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10:30:01  <V453000> !password
10:30:01  <PublicServer> V453000: colons
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10:30:30  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Passengers?
10:30:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> just testing
10:31:49  <PublicServer> <Piyush> what is the rule for terraforming? I dont see anything in the plan
10:31:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> well
10:32:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> try to make it low
10:32:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> as always
10:32:20  <PublicServer> <Piyush> K, just checking before I do it, haha
10:32:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Should be easy to get rid of that loop in the station.
10:33:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is no issue Mazur :)
10:33:16  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Shall I do the rest?
10:33:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I know, but still
10:33:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I've seen non-issues crop up often enough.
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10:36:44  <Piyush> !password
10:36:44  <PublicServer> Piyush: colons
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10:39:39  <tycoondemon|supporter> terraforming: 0
10:39:42  <tycoondemon|supporter> that would be hard core
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10:39:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> lunchy
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10:41:20  <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: we did it already
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10:45:10  <Tray> Is there any possibility of updating grf via console?
10:45:32  <hylje> openttd executable should have a few banana flags
10:45:37  <hylje> check it out
10:46:02  <Tray> !password
10:46:02  <PublicServer> Tray: nooned
10:47:31  <Tray> !download win32
10:47:31  <PublicServer> Tray:
10:48:32  <Tray> Hrm. My problem is, that I'm not able to join the server via the UI because it's always offline, but via console i get a grf missmatch though I've downloaded everything from bananas
10:49:19  <Mazur> It's be marked red in the NewGRF UI.
10:49:31  <Mazur> s/s/ll/
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10:50:04  <Lukeus_Maximus> ta for now
10:50:14  <Mazur> Bye, Luke.
10:50:19  <Tray> I don't get any NewGRF UI, because I'm not using the UI for joining.
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10:55:38  <planetmaker> Tray: then use the UI
10:55:53  <Tray> I can't ... That's exactly the problem.
10:56:01  <planetmaker> otherwise you might not be able to obtain missing newgrfs from bananas
10:56:08  <planetmaker> and why can't you use it?
10:56:10  <Tray> The Ui always tells me, that your server is offline.
10:56:13  <planetmaker> how can you play without?
10:56:19  <planetmaker> then enter the IP.
10:56:23  <Tray> joining via console.
10:56:25  <planetmaker> add it manually
10:56:31  <Tray> !IP
10:56:34  <Tray> !ip
10:56:34  <PublicServer> Tray:
10:56:39  <planetmaker> you can't. Obviously with missing newgrfs
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10:57:49  <Tray> Im speaking about the past. \:
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10:58:28  <Tray> Enter IP manually don't change anything.
10:58:28  <VVG> hello
10:58:40  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003EAFD:
10:59:29  <Mazur> Hello, VVG.
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11:06:00  <Tray> So ... planetmaker, thanks for your advise, but it stil doesn't work.
11:06:23  <hylje> use the UI to get the error messages out
11:06:44  <hylje> oh nevermind
11:06:55  <Tray> Hrm?
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11:10:18  <PublicServer> <Spike> V i'm looking... where are we gonna drop the goods
11:10:25  <PublicServer> <Spike> look at station position and town position
11:10:39  <planetmaker> tray: "still doesn't work" is possibly the most accurate description of what goes wrong and what you tried where and how
11:10:40  <PublicServer> <Spike> only way would be to bridge the town closer to the station
11:10:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> meh founding towns not alowd
11:11:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> I planned to fund a town there
11:11:41  <Tray> planetmaker: S. I add the ip, the GUI say that your server is offline. I downloaded everything from bananas and tried to join via console, but I've a grf mismatch.
11:12:01  <hylje> you may still need the grf pack
11:12:18  <Tray> Is a new one out there? I had the 7.3
11:12:47  <planetmaker> Tray: don't try to join via console. You need the newgrf gui which is accessible via the network lobby
11:13:01  <planetmaker> and yes, it works to add to the server's list
11:13:10  <planetmaker> Just make sure it's set to "internet" and not "lan"
11:13:25  <PublicServer> <Yso> goods drop in firs = general store
11:13:32  <PublicServer> <Yso> no need for a town imho
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11:13:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> general store = in town
11:13:58  <Tray> I am sure, that i search for on the internet.
11:13:59  <PublicServer> <Yso> you can found it
11:14:22  <Tray> I've the ip in the last joined games.
11:14:24  <Yso> and i think it's not required to be placed in a town
11:14:32  <PublicServer> <Spike> hmm
11:14:34  <Tray> The GUI tells me that the server is offline.
11:14:39  <Mazur> Yeez, my nieghbour has been using a hiver in his garden for over an hour now, can I go over and torture him back a little?
11:14:46  <PublicServer> <Spike> you do
11:14:50  <Mazur> s/hiver/hoover/
11:14:54  <PublicServer> <Spike> can only be build in towns
11:14:58  <Mazur> s/ie/ei
11:14:58  <hylje> get a vuvuzela
11:15:01  <PublicServer> <Yso> narf :(
11:15:06  <PublicServer> <Spike> which means moving the town a little
11:15:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> im searchin for the .f
11:15:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> .cfg name of the found town
11:15:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> settings
11:16:13  <V453000> !rcon set found_town
11:16:13  <PublicServer> V453000: Current value for 'found_town' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 2)
11:16:17  <V453000> !rcon set found_town 1
11:16:38  <PublicServer> <Spike> i got a house...
11:16:40  <planetmaker> whot?
11:16:47  <PublicServer> <Spike> let's see how it works out before we make a new town :)
11:16:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> and I got a city :p
11:16:54  <PublicServer> <Spike> lame :)
11:16:54  <Tray> SO, planetmaker. Maybe I seem to be stupid, but it still does not work as described above.
11:17:04  <PublicServer> <Spike> i atleast am creative
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11:17:10  <V453000> !rcon set found_town 0
11:17:11  <PublicServer> <Spike> you take the lazymens route ;)
11:17:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
11:17:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> and I admit it and am proud of it! :D
11:17:51  <PublicServer> <Spike> that's what you get with new guys around ;)
11:17:58  <Mazur> Hear, hear.
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11:18:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> hear, beer
11:18:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw you need the busses in the city center
11:18:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> also town growth speed might fuck you up :D
11:18:47  <^Spike^> i got time ;)
11:18:52  <^Spike^> alot before the first trains go ;)
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11:19:34  <PublicServer> <Spike> there general store :D
11:19:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is no general store
11:19:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> in Trollöv
11:19:44  <PublicServer> <Spike> all you need is 1 house :D
11:19:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> and it accepts goods
11:19:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
11:19:53  <PublicServer> <Spike> in my town there is one :D
11:19:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
11:20:09  <PublicServer> <Spike> we can use both :)
11:20:15  <PublicServer> <Spike> let them fight for goods ;)
11:20:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
11:21:33  <PublicServer> <Spike> can make it some eye-candy thing :)
11:21:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> \o/ candy
11:22:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That's not a general store, that's an Ikea.
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11:22:13  <hylje> IKEA
11:22:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> ikea is a general store ;)
11:23:24  <hylje> so long your definition of "general" is furniture and meatballs
11:23:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nope, several ranks lower: a major store.
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11:33:16  <VVG> !password
11:33:16  <PublicServer> VVG: petted
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11:34:03  <PublicServer> <VVG> whoa, station became even more mind boggling
11:34:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Which one.
11:34:32  <PublicServer> <VVG> central one
11:35:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> VVG: it is now complete :)
11:36:06  <PublicServer> <VVG> i need some help deciding which side to prio at bbh 05
11:36:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> try something :)
11:36:38  <PublicServer> <VVG> or it may be redone later according to traffic flow and now any direction will suffice?
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11:37:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I'd say get EW out of the way first.
11:37:34  <PublicServer> <VVG> u just can't guestimmate where the main traffic will be
11:37:40  <PublicServer> <VVG> s/u/i
11:38:06  <PublicServer> <Mazur> because if that blocks, joins will block splits further back.
11:39:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Do you get what I mean?
11:40:04  <PublicServer> <VVG> left-right as main direction?
11:40:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bottomleft to topright and vice versa.
11:40:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> E-W
11:41:18  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Because otherwise the joins will block the split of the very same hub.
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11:42:15  <PublicServer> <VVG> now i don't get it anymore
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11:42:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> East is topright of screen, right?
11:42:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> North is topleft.
11:43:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> West is bottomleft.
11:43:15  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And South is bottom-right.
11:43:32  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So we have an EWS hub.
11:43:46  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003E0F6:
11:44:02  <PublicServer> <Mazur> East, west and south, I mean.
11:45:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Now if the hub is quite full, then all the traffic from the east,  if it gives way to traffic from the south, would block the traffic going _to_ the south once the line of waiting trains reaches the split-off to the south.
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11:48:41  <Ammler> nice SER :-)
11:48:55  <V453000> ?
11:49:09  <PublicServer> <VVG> nah, i'l just do it and then someone fixes it, if done wrong, i still don't quite get an explanation :)
11:49:14  <V453000> you know that "SER" means in czech like if you order someone to shit? SHIT! :D
11:50:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anopther thing, VVG, some of your bridges have no room for proper synched signalling.
11:50:21  <PublicServer> <VVG> where?
11:50:39  <Ammler> he, how do you order someone to "shit"?
11:50:51  <V453000> SER!
11:50:52  <V453000> :P
11:50:59  <PublicServer> <VVG> how is that not synced?
11:51:13  <PublicServer> <Spike> VVG: he means signal wise
11:51:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> after the bridge you can't place a signal
11:51:35  <PublicServer> <VVG> oops
11:51:38  <Ammler> and what does he do then?
11:51:38  <PublicServer> <VVG> wait
11:51:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> that's not what I said, I sid there iss no room for a signal on both bridges before and after.
11:51:45  <PublicServer> <VVG> there is a space
11:52:18  <PublicServer> <VVG> here
11:52:21  <V453000> Ammler: well that isnt solved :D
11:52:29  <Ammler> :-)
11:52:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> They _only_ work with PBS.
11:52:36  <PublicServer> <VVG> yep
11:52:48  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That6's what I meant.
11:53:00  <PublicServer> <Spike> just a question why choose pbs over normal signals?
11:53:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> less space
11:53:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> cause PBS solves everything for me!
11:53:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I tend to think in block based signalling, so the option to do either is there.
11:53:29  <PublicServer> <Spike> do you see space issues in that area? :)
11:53:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
11:53:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
11:53:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
11:53:47  <PublicServer> <VVG> there are issues on other areas and i tried to be uniform :)
11:53:53  <PublicServer> <VVG> s/on/in
11:54:16  <PublicServer> <VVG> should i go for presignals?
11:54:33  <PublicServer> <Spike> pre sigs.. normal sigs.. both would work there :)
11:54:47  <PublicServer> <Spike> but you are right pbs can be nice where you don't have space...
11:54:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> presignals are usually best
11:54:57  <PublicServer> <Spike> but here... i can still place 20 bridges and have enough space :D
11:55:02  <PublicServer> <VVG> well, since yapp got introduced i always used pbs in sush setups, seems to always work
11:55:49  <PublicServer> <VVG> i just don't see a reason for normal signals, since pbs works
11:56:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> PBS sucks
11:56:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> and use 1way only please :)
11:57:30  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you have a very tightly placed station and need them on platforms, for instance.
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11:59:37  <Tmwalrus> @quickstart
11:59:39  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
11:59:46  <Tmwalrus> !help
11:59:46  <PublicServer> Tmwalrus:
11:59:51  <V453000> welcome walrus :)
11:59:57  <Tmwalrus> Hi there ;)
12:00:05  <Tmwalrus> New to this community
12:00:12  <V453000> I know :p
12:00:23  <Mazur> @quickstart
12:00:25  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
12:00:38  <V453000> [13:59] <Tmwalrus> @quickstart [14:00] <Mazur> @quickstart
12:00:40  <V453000> ...
12:00:41  <V453000> :P
12:00:48  <Tmwalrus> ;)
12:01:01  <Mazur> I never said I was _fast_.
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12:10:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> OMG planetmaker
12:10:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> you have vehicles expiring
12:10:44  <planetmaker> do I?
12:10:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
12:10:51  <planetmaker> then change it
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12:11:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> only over single player -.-
12:11:06  <VVG> i'm off for a bit, be back later
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12:13:56  <V453000> !password
12:13:56  <PublicServer> V453000: celery
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12:20:55  <Vitus> Back
12:21:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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12:25:02  <PublicServer> <Vitus> The middle is crazy!
12:25:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> noo
12:26:38  <^Spike^> Vitus it isn't crazy... V453000 is crazy ;)
12:26:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> :(
12:26:47  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Whatever :D
12:26:49  <PublicServer> <Vitus> CL5?
12:26:55  <^Spike^> we already called an institution for him :)
12:26:57  <^Spike^> no worries |'
12:26:59  <^Spike^> :)
12:27:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> institution? :D
12:27:05  <^Spike^> something with padded walls you know :D
12:27:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
12:27:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
12:27:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> awsom
12:27:14  <^Spike^> just to make sure he can't hurt him self.. ;)
12:28:50  <PublicServer> <Vitus> What is CL, please. 5?
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12:28:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure
12:28:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> 5
12:29:05  <PublicServer> <Vitus> OK, I'll start fixing CLs all over the map :D
12:29:36  <Vitus> @gap 5
12:29:36  <Webster> Vitus: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4.
12:29:37  <planetmaker> is CL5 really needed due to train speed? (I've absolutely no idea, but it might be worth to check)
12:30:13  <^Spike^> @elrail 230
12:30:13  <VVG> it is, i'playing sp with 230 kmh, cl5 is needed
12:30:19  <^Spike^> @erail 230
12:30:25  <^Spike^> @erailcl 230
12:30:30  <^Spike^> @railcl
12:30:30  <Webster> ^Spike^: (traincl <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo CL[math calc floor((-sqrt(231-min(231, ))+13)* (10**3))/(10.0**3)] required for rail at speed km/h (or TL if it's shorter)".
12:30:36  <PublicServer> <Vitus> What is the speed of the engines?
12:30:38  <^Spike^> @railcl 230
12:30:38  <Webster> CL 12 required for rail at speed 230km/h (or TL if it's shorter)
12:30:43  <^Spike^> @erailcl 230
12:30:54  <^Spike^> well you get the idea so yes you need TL :D
12:31:04  <VVG> cl12? o_0
12:31:21  <PublicServer> <Vitus> 230 is 12 half-tiles
12:31:23  <VVG> is it coungting diagonals' halves as one?
12:31:26  <PublicServer> <Vitus> That's CL6
12:31:44  <PublicServer> <Vitus> If you use normal half-tile wagons, that's it :P
12:31:51  <VVG> !password
12:31:51  <PublicServer> VVG: fleecy
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12:32:06  <planetmaker> VVG: use the measurement tool
12:32:09  <Nego> !password
12:32:09  <PublicServer> Nego: fleecy
12:32:23  <planetmaker> it'll tell you that each diagonal one is 0.5 tiles long
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12:32:53  <Nego> !download
12:32:53  <PublicServer> Nego: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x
12:32:58  <VVG> btw, have you ever though of setting up teamspeak/ventrilo serv? feels quite usefull here
12:33:03  <Nego> !download wind32
12:33:03  <PublicServer> Nego: unknown option "wind32"
12:33:07  <hylje> mumble
12:33:07  <Nego> !download win32
12:33:07  <PublicServer> Nego:
12:33:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> we are too lazy to talk
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12:40:25  <PublicServer> <VVG> bbh05 looks done
12:40:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
12:42:29  <PublicServer> <VVG> i wonder if my splitting will work
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12:42:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think it will
12:42:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> anyhow
12:43:16  <PublicServer> <VVG> it might need ajusting signals lenghts, to not let the splitting be blocked
12:43:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
12:43:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> I like you consider also this thing
12:43:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> many people dont
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12:44:42  <PublicServer> <VVG> i got burned before :)
12:44:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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12:46:27  <planetmaker> [14:32]	<VVG>	btw, have you ever though of setting up teamspeak/ventrilo serv? feels quite usefull here <-- yes. There was (is?) one.
12:46:31  <planetmaker> But it was hardly ever used
12:46:48  <VVG> that's a pity
12:47:19  <planetmaker> I think it's out-of-order currently
12:47:35  <planetmaker> try, if you like
12:47:41  <KenjiE20> the issue qith VoIP is coop is about communication
12:47:46  <KenjiE20> with*
12:47:53  <PublicServer> <VVG> another thing i want to check here is 2 entrances served by one prio
12:48:08  <KenjiE20> and text is the lowest common denominator for comms
12:48:21  <planetmaker> and the best understood one
12:48:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> VVG: that is pretty good actually
12:48:27  <planetmaker> people may be able to write and read
12:48:36  <planetmaker> listening comprehension is the most difficult form
12:48:48  <planetmaker> especially in such highly compressed form as transmitted by TS
12:48:53  <VVG> you need practice, and here is agood place :)
12:48:54  <KenjiE20> not to mention bandwidth overheads
12:49:14  <planetmaker> VVG: yes, it's a good idea :-)
12:49:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think my english would be the same comprehensive over ts as in real :d
12:49:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> 0
12:49:41  <planetmaker> :-)
12:49:54  <planetmaker> You do understand English, do you, V453000? :-)
12:50:05  <planetmaker> At least it didn't come accross that you don't ;-)
12:50:14  <V453000> :)
12:51:03  <PublicServer> <VVG> have you ever tried combining train sets in a game?
12:51:07  <planetmaker> hm... 1k downloads of SE rails in 4 days :-)
12:51:13  <planetmaker> VVG: yes
12:51:27  <planetmaker> usually there's no benefit
12:51:34  <VVG> eye-candy!
12:51:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> planetmaker depends if the one who mixes the sets knows what he is doing
12:52:04  <planetmaker> V453000: so true indeed
12:52:22  <planetmaker> VVG: it's not only about eye candy. They may have un-wanted cross-talk
12:52:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> I often play with ~4 trainsets when I play SP
12:52:34  <VVG> cross-talk?
12:52:42  <planetmaker> influence all the same settings.
12:52:47  <planetmaker> All together screwing them up
12:52:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> they dont have to be friendly with each other :)
12:52:58  <VVG> what kind of settings that might be?
12:53:04  <planetmaker> costs
12:53:07  <VVG> that you should care in coop-like game
12:53:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> but iirc, the only incompatible is the North American Renewal
12:53:19  <planetmaker> V453000: how so?
12:53:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think all others work nicely
12:53:31  <planetmaker> did you checkout parameter 4 of it? :-)
12:53:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> (the major sets)
12:53:33  <VVG> it has a parameter to let it work with multiple engines
12:53:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> no I didnt :)
12:53:57  <planetmaker> always look at parameters of newgrfs. It pays
12:54:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> I know
12:54:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> north american roads for example are funny in that regard
12:54:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> canadian stations too
12:54:19  <planetmaker> then you'd know that NARS2 has no problem ;-)
12:54:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
12:56:56  <planetmaker> I think next time I try NARS2, I'll set it also to use the Canadian version and snow ploughs
12:57:10  <V453000> nice nice
12:58:19  <planetmaker> (yes, I just looked today for NARS parameters :-P )
12:58:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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13:00:22  <PublicServer> <VVG> is there any reason, except for eye-candy, to set 2nd engine at the end of train?
13:00:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> about the same reason as set it to the beginning
13:00:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> what he said
13:01:03  <PublicServer> <VVG> eye-candy?
13:01:11  <PublicServer> <Spike> increase accel speed
13:01:25  <PublicServer> <VVG> eh? does it help?
13:01:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> accel speed doesnt change with loc position :)
13:02:00  <PublicServer> <Spike> well i thought he meant a reason for having 2 :)
13:02:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
13:02:15  <PublicServer> <VVG> :)
13:04:17  <PublicServer> <VVG> how many trains the planned network can carry?
13:04:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> we will see
13:04:42  <PublicServer> <Spike> that's the idea... stress test it..
13:04:45  <PublicServer> <Spike> and fix flaws :)
13:10:33  <VVG> @gap 5
13:10:33  <Webster> VVG: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4.
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13:13:51  <VVG> Is up?
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13:14:39  <planetmaker> VVG: I guess it might not. I don't have TS installed
13:16:25  <^Spike^> eh..
13:17:00  <^Spike^> seems not assuming it uses the default port
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13:18:49  <VVG> no idea what is the default one. i just dled ts3 client, which differ quite a lot from the last i used ts. It has 9987 as default to connect to.
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13:19:16  <planetmaker>
13:19:52  <KenjiE20> I'm pretty sure that one was shut ages ago
13:20:02  <VVG> still failed
13:20:18  <planetmaker> so probably not
13:20:24  <^Spike^> :)
13:20:47  <KenjiE20> @servtest 8767
13:20:47  <Webster> KenjiE20: Server at is not up ((111, 'Connection refused'))
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13:32:01  <PublicServer> <Sepp> hi
13:32:08  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey
13:41:51  <VVG> !password
13:41:51  <PublicServer> VVG: adored
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13:43:16  <PublicServer> <VVG> Is there some way to see what particular player is building?
13:43:29  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Nope
13:43:36  <PublicServer> <Sepp> not yet
13:43:39  <PublicServer> <Sepp> u can ask
13:43:44  <PublicServer> <Sepp> its not a secret xD
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13:44:35  <PublicServer> <VVG> i didn't have anything special in mind, just thought about speccing around
13:45:30  <Yso> you can watch me building around lakes @ MSH03a
13:45:47  <Yso> and i could use help
13:45:51  <PublicServer> <VVG> sign says it will take time :)
13:47:22  <PublicServer> <VVG> pretty big hub there
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13:48:03  <Yso> i'm not a good hub-builder and those lakes don't make it any easier
13:49:56  <PublicServer> <VVG> those two places look like potential traffic flow blockers to me
13:50:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> there is not enough space for one train to wait, or to have a prio
13:53:45  <Yso> and there is a cl issue as well, you can rebuild it if you like... i'm quite unexperienced
13:55:11  <Yso> i always got problems with joins
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13:59:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I donut see your CL issue, Yso.
14:00:08  <Yso> now it has a sign
14:00:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, that one.
14:01:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> How's that?
14:02:39  <PublicServer> <Yso> much better, but what is an interbalancer ?
14:02:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> No idea.
14:03:09  <PublicServer> <VVG> :(
14:03:32  <PublicServer> <VVG> that's better?
14:03:39  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And if you want gthe CL issue fully gone, you'd only need to move the second joinever one tile.
14:03:44  <PublicServer> <Vitus> BBH 03 done
14:03:57  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I think it means a balancer within the ML.
14:04:05  <PublicServer> <VVG> exactly
14:04:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, Vitus, now remove it and build it again.
14:04:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> :-P
14:04:49  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Damn you!
14:04:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> :-))
14:05:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just kidding.
14:05:05  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Do you have your own hub here, Mazur? :P
14:05:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nope.
14:05:19  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Then go and built one!
14:05:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> All your HUBS do belong to me.
14:05:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> -S
14:05:39  <PublicServer> <Spike> Mazur: Go.. Build...
14:05:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Can't.
14:05:44  <PublicServer> <Spike> Do something
14:05:45  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Noes, it's "All your hubs are belong to us"
14:05:45  <PublicServer> <VVG> how do those rectangle prios work?
14:05:46  <PublicServer> <Spike> ;)
14:05:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> yes you can ;)
14:05:51  <PublicServer> <Spike> everyone can ;)
14:06:07  <PublicServer> <Mazur> VVg: Where?
14:06:10  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Don't worry, we can always help you :)
14:06:14  <PublicServer> <VVG> bbh 03
14:06:44  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look, once the train is here:
14:06:50  <PublicServer> <Vitus> It triggers prio
14:06:59  <PublicServer> <Vitus> They would be too short otherwise
14:07:12  <PublicServer> <Spike> VVG:  that's what i also wanted to try yesterday when you were struggling with those prios and CL etc
14:07:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> prios?
14:07:26  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes, we have TL5 after all
14:08:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> i think i have to see it in action to get any idea what's happening
14:08:21  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look !here
14:08:25  <PublicServer> <Vitus> You can test it yourself :P
14:08:26  <PublicServer> <VVG> looking
14:08:35  <PublicServer> <VVG> oh
14:08:48  <PublicServer> <VVG> i was looking at plane "here" sign
14:09:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> now staring at !here sign, i'm all eyes and ears
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14:09:27  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Basically, it's the same as:
14:09:40  <PublicServer> <Vitus> But on diagonal
14:09:57  <PublicServer> <VVG> it looks short
14:10:20  <PublicServer> <VVG> eh?
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14:10:30  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hm?
14:10:30  <PublicServer> <VVG> oh
14:11:15  <PublicServer> <VVG> think i got it
14:11:20  <PublicServer> <Vitus> OK
14:11:24  <PublicServer> <VVG> ty
14:11:45  <PublicServer> <VVG> it just looks way different from standart prio, i got puzzled
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14:12:13  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Space-saving :P
14:12:14  <PublicServer> <VVG> looks very nice
14:12:32  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look !here again :)
14:12:35  <PublicServer> <VVG> i don't see you having space problmes :)
14:12:40  <PublicServer> <VVG> watching
14:13:04  <PublicServer> <Vitus> You can basically do prio even like this
14:13:26  <PublicServer> <VVG> very nice
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14:14:53  <PublicServer> <VVG> this way you can place a lot of combos on actual line, just alternating them with prio combo line, right?
14:15:04  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes
14:15:38  <PublicServer> <VVG> a neat trick
14:17:07  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Take a look at the example site :P
14:17:10  <PublicServer> <VVG> a real space saver
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14:24:14  <PublicServer> <VVG> @gap 5
14:24:25  <Vitus> @gap 5
14:24:25  <Webster> Vitus: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4.
14:24:36  <VVG> doesn't work from inside the game?
14:24:39  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes
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14:27:07  <learningottd> !pass
14:27:12  <learningottd> !password
14:27:12  <PublicServer> learningottd: errant
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14:40:02  <V453000> !password
14:40:02  <PublicServer> V453000: impels
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14:41:23  <PublicServer> <learningottd> your central drop gives me migraine :)(
14:41:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
14:41:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh you are here :) nice
14:41:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> welcome
14:44:13  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0004AD1A:
14:44:13  <PublicServer> <learningottd> thanks
14:45:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> well ... that station is supposed to melt brains :P
14:45:43  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Again? :D
14:46:06  <PublicServer> <learningottd> my brain is melted. it would be confusing even without any of the prio stuff
14:46:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> its not prios :)
14:46:48  <VVG> you are not alone, can't wait to see it in action
14:46:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> just presignals
14:47:52  <PublicServer> <Gnemo> those presignals make it a 2-way Ro-Ro right?
14:47:55  <PublicServer> <Vitus> It's like everything! Prio on overflow with fail-safe terminus :D
14:49:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> fail safe 2 way terminus with overflow on demand giving prio to incoming trains
14:49:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> complete name :D
14:49:56  <PublicServer> <learningottd> or you could just name it asperger station oO
14:50:24  <Vitus> It's FSTWTWOODGPTIT
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14:51:22  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Oh, Mazur building :)
14:51:35  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Liar.
14:52:16  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Otherwise OK :)
14:52:36  <PublicServer> <Vitus> (I mean those two slow corners :P)
14:53:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I was just about to upgrade those bridges, when I discovered I had the wrong default still, when you started on them, Vitus.
14:53:35  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Well, when I came there were like... 3 wooden bridges left
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14:54:43  <PublicServer> <VVG> how many platforms one line can serve with 230 speed?
14:56:03  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
14:56:03  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: embark
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14:56:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anyway, I'm stumped on the second joins on either side.
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14:58:48  <PublicServer> V453000: embark
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15:00:27  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So if anyone wangts to take over ro scratch and restart BBH09,  feel free.
15:00:55  <PublicServer> <VVG> Will be a good idea to make a SM DROP like i planned? See Steelmill DROP sign
15:01:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> you need a MSH for it first
15:01:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> which will make you see you want to make the station farther from the ML
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15:02:28  <PublicServer> <VVG> that's the idea, no hub, straight connection, trains return to same side they came from
15:02:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> unacceptable
15:02:38  <PublicServer> <VVG> that's a drop station
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15:02:47  <PublicServer> <VVG> why?
15:02:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> because from the ML becomes a drop line :)
15:03:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> which could slow it down, or at least ... make it dirty
15:03:22  <PublicServer> <VVG> well, the ml, that's already there will stay
15:03:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> MSH, then connect station. period :)
15:04:24  <PublicServer> <VVG> :(
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15:05:02  <PublicServer> <VVG> it looked like a good idea to fit the station on top of those mountains
15:05:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> trust me that with a normal MSH and station you would get into less trouble than direct station
15:05:58  <PublicServer> <VVG> i though, since there will be a lot of trains going into station, there will be plenty of opportunities to return to same side ml branch
15:06:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> well that is nice
15:06:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> but you dont really want to make maximum platforms for every line, and a pickup station for every line
15:07:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> anyways, just make a MSH
15:07:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> as a decisive argument I could arse you "it is in plan"
15:07:42  <PublicServer> <VVG> see idea, what i had in mind
15:07:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
15:07:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> you cant use that
15:07:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> ever
15:08:09  <PublicServer> <VVG> bad idea?
15:08:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
15:08:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> and besides
15:08:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains dont return where they came from
15:08:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> they return to the other direction
15:08:37  <PublicServer> <VVG> yes
15:08:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is kinda bad, isnt it
15:08:58  <PublicServer> <VVG> depends on network, i guess
15:09:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> well
15:09:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> only in case it is on 1way loop
15:10:01  <PublicServer> <VVG> doesn't work on 2ways as primary drop point?
15:10:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> wha?
15:10:33  <PublicServer> <VVG> as drop point for primaries
15:10:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> well what is with it
15:11:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> wee
15:11:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> see
15:12:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> the upper path is longer
15:12:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> why would you force it to take taht way
15:12:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is much simplier
15:12:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> and more effective
15:12:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> also systematic
15:13:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes?
15:13:17  <PublicServer> <VVG> well yes, i just wanted to have something usefull on top of mountains :)
15:13:33  <PublicServer> <Spike> you still can :)
15:13:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is nice but keep with our networking rules
15:13:44  <PublicServer> <Spike> as long as it isn't bored what i once did.. a train counter :D
15:13:44  <PublicServer> <VVG> i need some other idea
15:14:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> Spike: train counters arent useful
15:14:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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15:15:13  <^Spike^> that's what i said :)
15:15:22  <^Spike^> as long as it isn't bored me with train counters :D
15:15:27  <V453000> :)
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15:16:32  <PublicServer> <VVG> mhs like 3-1, 4-1, they have to be on outer side, right?
15:16:43  <PublicServer> <VVG> mshs*
15:16:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> any side
15:16:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is just a scheme, sides dont matter
15:17:36  <PublicServer> <VVG> if we take a still mill stations, how many platforms i need for pickup and drop ?
15:17:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on station design
15:18:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> but up to 6 for drop should be enough
15:18:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> for pickup too
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15:19:51  <Lukeus_Maximus> Sooooooo
15:19:56  <Lukeus_Maximus> who's taking so long
15:19:58  <PublicServer> <Yso> that's one slow client
15:20:03  <Lukeus_Maximus> indeed
15:20:21  <gnemo> my friggin modem is overheating, crap and a half
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15:20:40  <Lukeus_Maximus> I could get out my electric model trains, set them up and play ttd for real in this time...
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15:21:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> and now tell me I am weird ...
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15:21:55  <PublicServer> <VVG> trains leaveing pickup should have higher priority than trains leaving drop?
15:22:27  <gnemo> sorry about pausing it for so long, the <sarcasm>Perks</sarcasm> of having EVDO internet
15:22:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> mostly yes
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15:27:13  <Ramsus08191> !password
15:27:13  <PublicServer> Ramsus08191: teeter
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15:27:38  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello there
15:27:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
15:27:45  <PublicServer> <VVG> hi
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15:33:00  <PublicServer> <VVG> platfroms have to have 5 tiles of tracks before them after the splitter, right?
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15:50:28  <PublicServer> <VVG> ottd needs stations that can be placed on uphils/downhills
15:57:16  <Lukeus_Maximus> SHIT!
15:57:25  <Lukeus_Maximus> I accidentally deleted the FOOD DROP!!!!
15:57:28  <Lukeus_Maximus> fuuuuu
15:57:45  <Yso> n1
15:58:26  <Yso> make it more beautiful this time
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16:01:02  <Lukeus_Maximus> Ok
16:01:05  <Lukeus_Maximus> I put it back
16:01:14  <Lukeus_Maximus> I'm still rebalancing though
16:03:28  <PublicServer> <Spike> may i ask what you're doing to food drop
16:03:39  <PublicServer> <Spike> next to "fixing" it's design
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16:04:21  <PublicServer> <Spike> ellow...
16:04:53  <PublicServer> <Spike> who is "fixing" food drop
16:05:02  <Yso> Lukeus_Maximus i think
16:05:08  <PublicServer> <Spike> and why...
16:05:10  <Lukeus_Maximus> good start...
16:05:15  <Lukeus_Maximus> thinking...
16:05:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> why is it being "fixed"
16:05:33  <Yso> he demolished the station :)
16:05:36  <Lukeus_Maximus> hmm
16:05:41  <PublicServer> <Spike> i more meant the whole design
16:05:48  <Lukeus_Maximus> oh, someone said it needed balancing
16:05:54  <PublicServer> <Spike> mhm
16:05:54  <Lukeus_Maximus> the south part at least
16:05:57  <Lukeus_Maximus> so I did
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16:06:00  <PublicServer> <Spike> and look what i made before the station
16:06:03  <Lukeus_Maximus> or am doing
16:06:04  <PublicServer> <Spike> statiojns
16:06:11  <PublicServer> <Spike> aka !here!
16:06:31  <Lukeus_Maximus> but that's not nearly as intricate and confusing!
16:07:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> i also noted when saying that.. the stations itself don't need balancing just the rail part before it
16:07:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> you're not really balancing that good though...
16:07:59  <Lukeus_Maximus> well
16:08:09  <Lukeus_Maximus> I thought I'd get some practice this way
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16:08:25  <Lukeus_Maximus> now either I can finish this, or you can put it back the way it was
16:08:30  <PublicServer> <Spike> next to that you also added CL issues
16:08:41  <Lukeus_Maximus> CL is what again...
16:08:48  <^Spike^> @CL
16:08:48  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also:
16:09:38  <Lukeus_Maximus> well that's fixable
16:10:06  <PublicServer> <Spike> but really.. the way the stations was.. the station itself didn't need balancing...
16:10:16  <PublicServer> <Spike> just the entry lines
16:10:27  <Lukeus_Maximus> ok
16:10:29  <Lukeus_Maximus> noted
16:10:49  <Lukeus_Maximus> but seeing as the north one was balanced, I thought I'd do the south one also
16:11:08  <PublicServer> <Spike> next to that.. do you understand why i took TL before the station itself started?
16:11:12  <Lukeus_Maximus> also the balancing is now moved away from a couple of small cross lines
16:11:53  <Lukeus_Maximus> that sentence makes no sense :/ how can you take TL away?
16:12:14  <PublicServer> <Spike> i mean the distance from split to station
16:12:15  <Lukeus_Maximus> explain
16:12:15  <PublicServer> <Spike> was TL
16:12:21  <PublicServer> <Spike> and for the exit the same
16:12:23  <Lukeus_Maximus> yes
16:12:26  <Lukeus_Maximus> slowing room
16:12:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> from station to merge it was TL
16:12:30  <PublicServer> <Spike> mhm
16:12:38  <Lukeus_Maximus> oh right
16:12:39  <Lukeus_Maximus> I see
16:12:43  <PublicServer> <Spike> good.. :)
16:12:59  <Lukeus_Maximus> I'll fix all of this right now then
16:13:11  <Lukeus_Maximus> If you'll let me...
16:13:12  <PublicServer> <Spike> well can also turn it back.. cause balancing twice is a bit too much :)
16:13:29  <Lukeus_Maximus> better than not at all :)
16:13:44  <PublicServer> <Spike> means trains switch to one line.. and then back to the other...
16:13:48  <PublicServer> <Spike> not very efficient right
16:14:07  <V453000> lol :D
16:14:19  <V453000> I rather wanted to tell you to completely de-balance it :D
16:14:25  <V453000> and people come and fullbalance :)
16:14:25  <Lukeus_Maximus> wow that's in depth efficiency monitoring
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16:14:59  <Lukeus_Maximus> You could do a thesis in this game...
16:15:03  <Lukeus_Maximus> I might just...
16:16:03  <V453000> !password
16:16:03  <PublicServer> V453000: dubbed
16:16:18  <Mazur> Ammler, you can make a huge profit selling your WC final ticket to a Dutchman.
16:16:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> can i revert it back?  and want to help? :)
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16:16:36  <^Spike^> Ammler has enough dutch ottdc members around him ;)
16:16:40  <^Spike^> i won't buy it though :D
16:16:52  <Lukeus_Maximus> If you insist that you must absolutely undo all that balancing then alright...
16:17:05  <Lukeus_Maximus> but don't say I didn't warn you...
16:17:11  <Ammler> Mazur: I AM NOT GERMAN!
16:17:17  * Lukeus_Maximus scaremongers
16:17:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> Ammler lies
16:17:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> he is german
16:17:33  <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 W done
16:17:36  <Mazur> Didn;t know you'd get angry.....
16:17:39  <Ammler> @kick V453000 germans wouldn kick
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16:17:58  <V453000> :(
16:18:24  <Vitus> Go go kick war :D
16:18:34  <Ammler> tell XeryusTC, he is Germn
16:18:42  <Lukeus_Maximus> MSH 01 N needs doing...
16:19:00  <V453000> :D
16:19:06  <V453000> XeryusTC will fuck me sideways
16:19:15  * XeryusTC hugs V453000 
16:19:20  <Ammler> Vielleicht sollten wir die Sprache ändern.
16:19:23  * V453000 hugs back
16:19:37  <XeryusTC> @kick Germans out of the World Cup
16:19:39  <Ammler> @topic replace GERMAN only
16:20:14  <Ammler> if Spain will win, we are goint to become the technical winners, btw.
16:20:27  <Vitus> lol
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16:20:41  <Ammler> like it was with Czech and Hockey
16:21:06  <V453000> beer!
16:21:08  <XeryusTC> you can be technical winners, but you still lost the cup ;)
16:21:16  <Ammler> XeryusTC: quite true :-(
16:21:21  <Vitus> Basically, everyone won except the team which actually won :D
16:21:37  <PublicServer> <Spike> it's 5 :)
16:21:41  <Ammler> but we are the only team which won against spain, yet
16:21:43  <PublicServer> <Spike> 5
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16:22:04  <Vitus> You destroyed mah joke :(
16:22:08  <V453000> Switzerland is on football world cup?
16:22:26  <Ammler> V453000: for a VERY short time :-)
16:22:31  <V453000> :-D
16:22:53  <Mazur> Nah, they're only allowed to field a team in the preliminaries, for their morale.
16:22:56  <PublicServer> <Spike> it's a straight piece right :)
16:23:05  <V453000> football sucks.
16:23:06  <V453000> that solves it :)
16:23:08  <PublicServer> <Vitus> VVG, are you here?
16:23:10  <Mazur> Yep.
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16:23:27  <Lukeus_Maximus> ^Spike^, but the join could havve trains on...
16:23:29  <Lukeus_Maximus> and
16:23:39  <Lukeus_Maximus> I don't know! It just seems wrong...
16:23:50  <Lukeus_Maximus> but I'm not pro, so...
16:23:51  <PublicServer> <Spike> the train isn't gonna stop on the join
16:24:04  <Lukeus_Maximus> good point
16:24:15  <PublicServer> <VVG> Vitus, yes
16:24:20  <PublicServer> <Spike> leave the other ones
16:24:22  <PublicServer> <Spike> saves you time :)
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16:25:00  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Just a thing about naming hubs, it's "*space*BBH number"
16:25:13  <PublicServer> <Vitus> No exclamation marks needed :)
16:25:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
16:25:21  <PublicServer> <VVG> those are not my signs :)
16:25:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> these were my notes where what should be
16:25:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> but of course the normal convention should be used
16:25:45  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes, VVG, I know. But when you finish it, you have to change it accordingly
16:26:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> like this?
16:26:24  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes
16:27:04  <PublicServer> <VVG> what is 1st space for?
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16:27:36  <PublicServer> <Vitus> To make sure it's up in the sign list
16:28:43  <PublicServer> <Spike> NO
16:28:46  <PublicServer> <Spike> don't presig that one
16:28:51  <Lukeus_Maximus> ?
16:28:53  <Lukeus_Maximus> why?
16:29:10  <PublicServer> <Spike> Vlongnumber doesn't like it.. and want to see difference with both :)
16:29:15  <PublicServer> <Spike> so this is the perfect way
16:29:22  <Lukeus_Maximus> ok
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16:29:30  <PublicServer> <VVG> I'll take msh 4-1, if no one minds
16:29:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm?
16:29:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh that
16:29:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> yea
16:29:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> but you need only the first array
16:29:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> 7 platforms is way enough
16:30:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> for 1 line
16:30:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> can I touch?
16:30:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> .....
16:30:30  <PublicServer> <Spike> you ask me
16:30:37  <PublicServer> <Spike> you think i kick you ass if you do?
16:30:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> yee
16:30:51  <PublicServer> <Spike> nah...
16:30:52  <PublicServer> <Spike> not yet
16:30:54  <PublicServer> <Spike> ;)
16:31:08  <PublicServer> <Spike> why that
16:31:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> i work hard on making it nice looking..
16:31:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1. braking space
16:31:31  <PublicServer> <Spike> and you destroy it in 1 go :)
16:31:35  <PublicServer> <Spike> TL is enough braking space
16:31:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2. you dont need the end-tail acceleration
16:31:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is TL :)
16:31:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> 4 tiles would work too I think
16:32:03  <PublicServer> <Spike> so.. :)
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16:32:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> well
16:32:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> you care about the signal
16:32:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> not from the beginning
16:32:17  <PublicServer> <Spike> i don't :)
16:32:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> only after the train is behind the signal, it is safe that it starts slowing down
16:32:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> if it starts slowing down on the ML, it reduces capacity
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16:33:19  <^Spike^> V453000:
16:33:20  <^Spike^> Showing a RoRo station with 7 dedicated platforms per tracks. Note the breaking and accelerating space
16:33:25  <^Spike^>
16:33:36  <^Spike^> TL is 5 incl signal ;)
16:33:42  <^Spike^> you never read the wiki? ;)
16:34:03  <V453000> wiki sucks ... but there is "some braking space"
16:34:06  <V453000> not full braking pace
16:34:08  <V453000> space
16:34:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> usually it is enough
16:34:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> but if 2 trains packed together come, it might not :)
16:35:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> I rather think on my own than read a wiki ;(
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16:39:13  <V453000> biatch
16:39:15  <V453000> !password
16:39:15  <PublicServer> V453000: staffs
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16:46:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> who build !here ?
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17:36:15  <PublicServer> Nego: macing
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17:50:58  <VVG> !password
17:50:58  <PublicServer> VVG: nuclei
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17:52:17  <Webster> #openttdcoop Records: Clients: 24 | Trains: 2001 (PSG#186) - 2522 (PZG#5) - ( 3000 (PSG#180) logic net) | Single cargo type output: 100,983 (PSG#176) | World Pop: 3,075,319 (PSG#101) 
17:52:41  <Mazur> @cds
17:55:03  <PublicServer> <VVG> such a gap between hub parts, as at msh-4-1, is it ok?
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18:43:56  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> wait wait, I have to finish the join
18:44:15  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> ok
18:44:39  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> just doing the ML down SE
18:44:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00063DB5:
18:44:59  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> yup, but I will have to extend the joining :)
18:45:10  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> carry on
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18:49:49  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> heh, this is my first hub so I have to redo a lot of things....
18:50:08  <PublicServer> <VVG> and you chose the big one :)
18:50:21  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> of course :D
18:50:43  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> at least I am learning a lot
18:51:48  <PublicServer> <VVG> you've got cl issue there
18:52:09  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> where:
18:52:11  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ?
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18:52:18  <PublicServer> <VVG> near edge, i placed a sign
18:52:40  <V453000> !password
18:52:40  <PublicServer> V453000: yapped
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18:53:08  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> there fixed it
18:53:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> ellow
18:53:12  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> lol
18:53:15  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hi
18:53:16  <PublicServer> <VVG> :)
18:53:25  <PublicServer> <VVG> such a fix is better )
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18:54:01  <PublicServer> <VVG> nah
18:54:08  <PublicServer> <VVG> lemme show you
18:54:13  <PublicServer> <VVG> what i had in mind
18:54:17  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ok
18:54:49  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> alright, now its better :)
18:54:54  <PublicServer> <VVG> that was ok
18:55:47  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> thanks!
18:55:56  <PublicServer> <VVG> np
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19:04:46  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> VV, can you give a look and see if my hub is alright now?
19:06:49  <Vitus> !password
19:06:49  <PublicServer> Vitus: cutter
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19:07:34  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey
19:07:40  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello
19:08:29  <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost)
19:08:55  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Who was connecting MSH 01 W with central station?
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19:14:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0004A239:
19:20:24  <PublicServer> <VVG> Ramsus, can't really say, i've never done such big hubs myself.
19:20:58  <PublicServer> <VVG> There is a Vitus' hub on the other side of the map, that should give you a clues, how it should be.
19:21:07  <PublicServer> <Vitus> :)
19:24:40  <VVG> I also don't like building hubds bigger than LL-RR T hub, too much things to take care of
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19:27:00  <PublicServer> <VVG> I think i messed up MSH 4-1, i missed one of the balancers, and there isn't much space for it, and i have no idea where to put a station now
19:29:58  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00071A5C:
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19:31:21  <PublicServer> <Vitus> VVG, what about something like this?
19:32:54  <PublicServer> <Vitus> The terrain is kind of rough, eh
19:33:45  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Where is MSH 3-1?
19:33:58  <PublicServer> <Vitus> I cannot even find the sign for it
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19:37:49  <VVG> there are signs for bbhs only i think, i never saw any others
19:39:16  <VVG> The part you marked is not the on i'm strugglin with, on the other side i missed one balancer, can't think of a way to fit it in, except for quite some tf.
19:41:16  <VVG> guess it'll take a bit of coffee to solve
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19:42:44  <Train_man> !players
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 88 (Orange) is VVG, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 36 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 100 (Orange) is Gnemo, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 40 (Orange) is Spike, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 71 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:46  <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 70 (Orange) is Ramsus08191, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
19:42:50  <Train_man> !password
19:42:50  <PublicServer> Train_man: abhors
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19:44:20  <PublicServer> <Train_man> hello all
19:44:28  <VVG> hi
19:44:33  <Yso> hi Train_man
19:44:42  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello
19:45:01  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0004922C:
19:45:06  <PublicServer> <Train_man> so what's happened today?
19:46:33  <PublicServer> *** VVG has left the game (leaving)
19:56:06  <pugi>  <')
19:56:08  <pugi>  ( \
19:56:09  <pugi>   X
19:56:21  <V453000> oxo
19:57:48  <PublicServer> <Train_man> hey someone should fix the confusing network plans
19:57:53  <PublicServer> <Train_man> it says L_R
19:58:43  <planetmaker> only the author should fix it.
19:58:44  <V453000> I believe there is noted an exception of center and food, goods
19:59:20  <PublicServer> <Train_man> i don't understand the part of "MSH Spokes are L_R" ? What's that mean?
19:59:50  <V453000> that lines that lead from MSHs for stations like brewery are L_R
20:00:03  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00074DA3:
20:00:03  <PublicServer> <Train_man> oh i see now
20:00:09  <PublicServer> <Train_man> thanks
20:00:20  <V453000> yw
20:02:16  <XeryusTC> ello
20:02:20  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> Hey
20:02:37  <V453000> hey luv
20:02:44  <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (leaving)
20:04:06  <V453000> !assword
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20:04:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:04:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:05:06  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hi
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20:06:41  <Nego> !password
20:06:41  <PublicServer> Nego: starks
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20:09:14  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> anyway, enough of ottd for today, bye ppl
20:09:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> bye person
20:09:34  <PublicServer> <Train_man> bye
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20:13:36  <tneo> Train_man, do read the wiki that explains it very well
20:14:10  <PublicServer> <Train_man> i did
20:14:32  <tneo> then you should know what L__R means
20:14:49  <tneo> hence you didn't  I conclude you didn't read
20:15:05  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0004A545:
20:15:09  <PublicServer> <Train_man> I thought it meant one line going each way?
20:15:09  <planetmaker> :-)
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20:16:22  <PublicServer> <tneo> lo
20:16:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> hey
20:16:26  <PublicServer> <Train_man> hi
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20:18:13  <PublicServer> <tneo> bbh10 is nearly in msh01s
20:18:26  <PublicServer> <tneo> how is the ML supposed to go there?
20:18:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> not completely :)
20:18:55  <Vitus> btw, I found out there's no sign for MSH 3-1
20:19:01  <Vitus> At least I think it was 3-1
20:19:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> seems like 4-1
20:19:28  <PublicServer> <tneo> is bbh10 3way V453000?
20:19:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure
20:19:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> like this
20:19:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> ~
20:20:19  <PublicServer> <tneo> tl 5 , right?
20:20:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> yea
20:20:31  <XeryusTC> !dl win64
20:20:32  <PublicServer> XeryusTC:
20:20:39  <Vitus> I'll built the rest of MSH 01s, but I have to get dinner first :) Be right back
20:21:11  <XeryusTC> !password
20:21:11  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: dolled
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20:21:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> sideways! :)
20:21:29  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> wow
20:21:38  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> complicated plan is complicated
20:21:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is simple
20:21:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is just firs
20:21:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> so there are many thingys :)
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20:27:03  <J_Darnley> !password
20:27:03  <PublicServer> J_Darnley: dolled
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20:30:07  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00053E42:
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20:31:59  <tneo> !password
20:31:59  <PublicServer> tneo: deafer
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20:35:25  <PublicServer> <tneo> i'll check back later
20:35:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:35:32  <PublicServer> <tneo> too unfocused atm
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20:36:00  <tneo> off
20:36:02  <tneo> cu
20:36:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> cya
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20:45:04  <V453000> !password
20:45:04  <PublicServer> V453000: deafer
20:45:09  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00075050:
20:45:22  <V453000> !password
20:45:22  <PublicServer> V453000: sludge
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20:47:05  <Train_man1> Hey
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20:48:13  <V453000> @unban Train_man1
20:48:13  *** Webster sets mode: -b Train_man1!
20:48:20  <V453000> try now
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20:49:41  <planetmaker> eh?
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20:50:37  <V453000> @unban Train_man
20:50:51  <V453000> @unban
20:50:53  <V453000> ok
20:50:54  <V453000> :)
20:50:58  <pugi> @invite pugi
20:50:59  <pugi> :D
20:51:16  <V453000> @unbanip
20:51:24  <V453000> whatever
20:53:36  <VVG> !players
20:53:38  <PublicServer> VVG: Client 119 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
20:53:38  <PublicServer> VVG: Client 36 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
20:53:38  <PublicServer> VVG: Client 71 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
20:53:38  <PublicServer> VVG: Client 111 (Orange) is XeryusTC, in company 1 (Coopers #188)
20:53:38  <PublicServer> VVG: Client 113 is J_Darnley, a spectator
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21:00:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00053449:
21:01:43  <VVG> !password
21:01:43  <PublicServer> VVG: weaved
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21:02:07  <PublicServer> <Spike> V453000: check the other universe
21:02:26  <V453000> lets get high
21:03:14  <PublicServer> <VVG> ghm, i missed msh spokes are L_R part, only now noticed it. i've been doing MSH 4-1 as LL_RR hub, thinking since it is a steelmill, it will take a lot of trains
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21:05:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> Brewery up \o/
21:07:09  <PublicServer> <VVG> is that an overflow at brewery?
21:07:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> yea
21:07:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> it's V so prob yes
21:07:35  <PublicServer> <VVG> :)
21:07:42  <PublicServer> <Spike> how dare you to doubt him for doing it without overflow ;)
21:08:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is lazy and handy :)
21:09:32  <Vitus> Uh, it took longer than expected, but I'm back :)
21:10:05  <Vitus> !password
21:10:05  <PublicServer> Vitus: weaved
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21:11:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> elo
21:11:30  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey
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21:11:38  <PublicServer> <puugi> hi :)
21:11:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> hey
21:11:51  <PublicServer> <puugi> it has been a long time
21:12:17  <PublicServer> <puugi> ah, firs, great :)
21:12:22  <PublicServer> <VVG> What does MSH spokes mean?
21:12:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> line from MSH to station
21:12:55  <PublicServer> <VVG> i've done it wrong, eh
21:13:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes :)
21:13:07  <PublicServer> <VVG> though i can't imagine one lane is enough
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21:13:18  <learningottd> !password
21:13:18  <PublicServer> learningottd: weaved
21:13:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> just keep it
21:13:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> but make others L_R
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21:13:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> heya
21:13:39  <PublicServer> <learningottd> helly
21:13:44  <PublicServer> <learningottd> hellu!
21:13:44  <PublicServer> <VVG> hi
21:14:29  <PublicServer> <VVG> well, it's not finished yet, might as well scratch it. :)
21:14:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw
21:14:54  <PublicServer> <puugi> well, but nothing has changed... we always do v's plan... :D
21:14:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> please use 230+ speed bridges
21:15:13  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000308EE:
21:16:06  <PublicServer> <VVG> i left them for last, while building just place whichever clicks
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21:16:45  <Train_man1> hi
21:16:56  <Train_man1> !help
21:16:57  <PublicServer> Train_man1:
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21:28:21  <PublicServer> <VVG> anyone up for building steelmill station?
21:30:15  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002D8FB:
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21:45:48  <^Spike^> *sigh*
21:46:01  *** ^Spike^ sets mode: +b *!*@
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21:46:29  <PublicServer> <Vitus> What?
21:46:46  <^Spike^> nothing :)
21:46:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> banned people trying to get back
21:47:04  <PublicServer> <Vitus> What was he banned for?
21:47:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> assness
21:47:20  <^Spike^> evading a ban we set some time ago
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21:55:28  <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 N done
21:55:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> :))
21:55:48  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
21:56:17  <V453000> !password
21:56:17  <PublicServer> V453000: yanked
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21:57:35  <PublicServer> <Vitus> V.: I filled in some suggestions for central station name :P
21:59:24  <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 S tomorrow :P
21:59:31  <PublicServer> <Vitus> Going off, take care and good night!
21:59:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> see you
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22:00:20  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00056028:
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22:00:49  <V453000> !password
22:00:49  <PublicServer> V453000: dabbed
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22:08:15  <PublicServer> <learningottd> how is tf?
22:08:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> as always ... feel free to make it a bit higher but try to keep it low
22:08:40  <PublicServer> <learningottd> yeah sure
22:08:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> or ... if it looks natural, it is ok because nobody notices :)
22:08:50  <PublicServer> <learningottd> ^^
22:15:22  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00055BB8:
22:16:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
22:16:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> good night :)
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22:20:21  <VVG> good night
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22:28:43  <learningottd> !password
22:28:43  <PublicServer> learningottd: unpaid
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22:32:43  <learningottd> !password
22:32:43  <PublicServer> learningottd: fading
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22:38:26  <Davelister> hello world
22:38:48  <PublicServer> <learningottd> heey the little red midget
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23:12:06  <PublicServer> welterde: goosed
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