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00:39:27 <PublicServer> <Train_man> yes? 00:39:30 <PublicServer> <Train_man> hello? 00:39:45 *** Seberoth2 has quit IRC 00:40:36 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> You seemed to be confused about the bbh, me too, in fact bbah 02 = bbh04, http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/BBH try to see this link, might help :) 00:41:17 <PublicServer> *** J_Darnley has left the game (leaving) 00:43:29 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00000000: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00000000.png 00:58:31 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002FD4A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002FD4A.png 01:09:19 *** benom has quit IRC 01:13:33 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002CB3B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002CB3B.png 01:14:19 *** Fuco has quit IRC 01:16:20 <PublicServer> *** Train_man has left the game (connection lost) 01:19:14 *** Train_man1 has joined #openttdcoop 01:19:30 *** De_Ghosty has joined #openttdcoop 01:23:06 *** Train_man_Work3 has quit IRC 01:23:32 *** Train_man has quit IRC 01:24:50 <Train_man1> s 01:24:56 <Train_man1> !password 01:24:56 <PublicServer> Train_man1: lander 01:25:20 <PublicServer> *** Train_man joined the game 01:28:36 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002D924: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002D924.png 01:35:19 <PublicServer> <Train_man> can someone show me how to create a "load balancer"? 01:36:15 <PublicServer> <Train_man> ramsus? 01:43:38 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002EF34: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002EF34.png 01:58:40 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002992D: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002992D.png 02:13:42 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002954E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002954E.png 02:20:09 *** devilsadvocate has quit IRC 02:28:44 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00000000: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00000000.png 02:39:16 <PublicServer> *** Train_man has left the game (connection lost) 02:42:06 *** devilsadvocate has joined #openttdcoop 02:49:04 <De_Ghosty> a load balance 02:49:11 <De_Ghosty> how many lines to how many lines 02:49:21 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> he has left a while ago.... 02:53:24 <PublicServer> *** Ramsus08191 has left the game (leaving) 02:54:10 *** Ramsus08191 has quit IRC 02:54:10 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 02:56:50 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 03:04:51 *** gr00vy has quit IRC 03:05:00 *** gr00vy has joined #openttdcoop 03:50:39 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (leaving) 03:51:02 *** gnemo has quit IRC 05:12:26 <Train_man1> !password 05:12:26 <PublicServer> Train_man1: webbed 05:13:07 <PublicServer> *** Train_man joined the game 05:14:44 <PublicServer> *** Train_man has left the game (leaving) 05:34:04 *** Train_man1 has quit IRC 05:44:47 *** Yso has joined #openttdcoop 05:45:41 <PublicServer> *** Yso joined the game 05:46:02 *** Train_man has joined #openttdcoop 05:46:18 *** Train_man has left #openttdcoop 06:18:28 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 06:18:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 06:37:26 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop 06:37:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 06:52:11 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 06:52:11 *** Webster sets mode: +o Phazorx 07:45:45 *** asnoehu has joined #openttdcoop 07:51:02 *** ^Spike^ has quit IRC 07:51:49 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 07:52:26 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop 07:52:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 07:53:58 <asnoehu> oo 07:54:02 <asnoehu> havent talked here in a whil 07:54:16 <asnoehu> !download win64 07:54:16 <PublicServer> asnoehu: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r20080/openttd-trunk-r20080-windows-win64.zip 07:54:23 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 07:57:34 <tycoondemon> !newgrf 07:57:34 <PublicServer> tycoondemon: Please use /msg for the newgrf list (and use !grf) 07:58:37 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 07:58:42 <tycoondemon> !password 07:58:42 <PublicServer> tycoondemon: meeter 07:59:06 <tycoondemon> !password 07:59:06 <PublicServer> tycoondemon: stoles 07:59:21 <PublicServer> *** tycoondemon joined the game 08:00:43 <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> V allways wins !!! 08:00:50 <PublicServer> *** tycoondemon has joined company #1 08:00:56 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 08:01:20 <PublicServer> <Mazur> He appears top be the best planner. 08:03:53 <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> he is allmost a genious 08:04:18 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Quite. 08:09:13 <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game 08:13:48 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003CDCF: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003CDCF.png 08:21:59 *** Lukeus_Maximus has joined #openttdcoop 08:24:23 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 08:25:49 <Lukeus_Maximus> !password 08:25:49 <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: caking 08:26:00 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus_Maximus joined the game 08:28:38 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 08:28:51 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00000000: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00000000.png 08:29:03 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 08:37:54 <tycoondemon> MAZURRRRR 08:39:56 <Mazur> Yes? 08:40:00 <Mazur> !players 08:40:01 <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 180 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 08:40:02 <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 191 (Orange) is Lukeus_Maximus, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 08:40:02 <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 188 (Orange) is tycoondemon, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 08:40:02 <PublicServer> Mazur: Client 189 is Spike, a spectator 08:41:31 <tycoondemon> I dont know 08:41:37 <tycoondemon> it just sounds nice you know 08:41:45 <tycoondemon> when you say it like mazurrrr 08:41:53 <tycoondemon> the rolling r 08:42:14 *** J_Darnley has quit IRC 08:43:02 <Mazur> Ah yes, I had a girlfriend once with an 'r' that rolled all the way down to fire up the engine. 08:43:22 <tycoondemon> :O 08:43:27 <tycoondemon> why once 08:43:48 <Mazur> I let her go. 08:43:53 <Mazur> *weep* 08:43:53 <tycoondemon> how nice of you 08:44:04 <tycoondemon> must have been a relief for her 08:44:08 <tycoondemon> finaly free 08:44:09 <Mazur> Stupid is the word. 08:44:35 <tycoondemon> still very whole hearted 08:47:25 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 08:47:31 <planetmaker> don't look back in grief 08:48:51 <planetmaker> Willst Du einen Vogel lieben, so laß ihn fliegen. Mit etwas glück, kommt er voll Freuden zurück. 08:49:15 <planetmaker> Poems don't translate well. 08:49:44 <planetmaker> I'm afraid I still didn't get the rythm quite right 08:53:15 <Mazur> Burt the gist is right. 08:53:43 <Mazur> She didn't come back, though, she went off with a biker, and the family moved away, as well. 08:53:58 <planetmaker> :`-( 08:54:28 <planetmaker> Oh well, I know how it goes. Guess why and when I wrote the poem above... 08:55:17 <Mazur> I have similar poems. 08:55:20 <Mazur> ;-) 08:57:40 *** Phazorx has quit IRC 08:57:40 *** devilsadvocate has quit IRC 08:58:24 <planetmaker> :-) 08:58:49 *** devilsadvocate has joined #openttdcoop 09:03:42 <hylje> are you implying german can be poetic 09:04:38 <Mazur> ASre you suggesting they can't be? 09:04:41 <Mazur> -S 09:06:04 <Mazur> Never heard of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe? 09:06:16 <tycoondemon> its a nice poem 09:06:26 <Mazur> Friedrich Nietschze? 09:06:52 <tycoondemon> german names dont mean german poems :p 09:06:54 <Mazur> Or rather: Friedrich Nietzsche? 09:08:15 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 09:08:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> hay 09:08:52 <Mazur> Still, even German women can be so beautiful as to inspire the most prozaïc mind to poetry. 09:09:00 <Mazur> Hey. 09:09:06 <planetmaker> Friedrich Schiller, Erich Fried, Reiner Kunze Rainer Maira Rilke, Hoffmann von Fallersleben, Joseph von Eichendorff... :-) 09:09:21 <planetmaker> yes, they can... 09:09:28 <planetmaker> moin V453000 09:09:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 09:09:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> the SE depots are nice for candy btw :) 09:09:45 <Mazur> I sat beside one in Paris during a river tour. 09:10:06 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 09:13:19 *** Tray has quit IRC 09:13:53 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00006787: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00006787.png 09:14:15 <planetmaker> thanks, V453000 :-) 09:14:23 <planetmaker> And I do agree :-) 09:14:36 <planetmaker> Though... graphics credits, of course, go to Irwe. 09:14:43 <tycoondemon> V453000, you are declared semi genious 09:14:52 <V453000> hmf? 09:15:10 <V453000> planetmaker: yea :( 09:15:11 <V453000> :) 09:15:16 <V453000> damn ( ) key 09:15:19 <planetmaker> :-) 09:15:25 <tycoondemon> for allways winning design vote 09:15:52 <V453000> uhm 09:15:57 <V453000> well to be honest 09:16:07 <V453000> this time none of the other plans made sense or worked 09:16:27 <V453000> only Yso had some idea/or it actually did not totally fail 09:16:42 <V453000> so it was kind of clear :( 09:16:48 <tycoondemon> genious 09:16:48 <planetmaker> be nice :-) 09:16:55 <V453000> I am nice 09:17:00 <planetmaker> maybe they just didn't manage to express their idea so clearly as you :-) 09:17:07 <tycoondemon> geniouses allwys only see there own point as best 09:17:13 <Lukeus_Maximus> V453000, strangely your plan was the most complicated and made even less sense, but I'll go with it 09:17:26 <tycoondemon> nice one Lukeus_Maximus 09:18:01 <Lukeus_Maximus> s/most complicated/one with the most labels 09:18:09 <V453000> planetmaker: when you want a MSH for every industry in FIRS, and then double the amount "just because" and then you want to even balance the traffic over both halves of map, and additionally balance them over a all-cargoes transfer line .. what sense does that make ; 09:18:25 <V453000> yea .... but compare it to the one I just described 09:18:30 <V453000> this is much easier to build 09:18:48 <Lukeus_Maximus> I'll agree with that 09:18:52 <V453000> because you exactly know what to build, you know where to build it, and it is "normal" 09:19:02 <Lukeus_Maximus> also an understanding of FIRS seems to be required 09:19:46 <tycoondemon> he is so wonderfull and clear 09:19:55 <tycoondemon> our semi genious V453000 :) 09:20:00 <V453000> -.- 09:20:05 *** Samu has joined #openttdcoop 09:20:55 <Mazur> Except I can't build hubs in hilly terrain, yet, nor half in lakes. 09:21:00 <tycoondemon> can I sponsor openttdcoop to get an @? :P 09:21:14 *** benom has joined #openttdcoop 09:21:42 <V453000> sponsor us with some nice contributions :) 09:22:02 <planetmaker> tycoondemon: #openttdcoop is a merit-ocracy 09:22:04 <Mazur> Does anyone know why my zoom keys '-' and '=' aren;t working? 09:22:12 <Mazur> In Coop? 09:22:24 <tycoondemon> contributions to source or to games? 09:22:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is the server zoom patch :D 09:22:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> probably 09:22:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> but wtf 09:22:36 <V453000> Ammler: this is weird 09:23:00 <Mazur> I need them, V, to be able to see the larger picture, literally, when I'm building. 09:23:08 <Ammler> good morning 09:23:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> mouse wheeeeel? 09:23:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi Ammler 09:23:13 <Ammler> V453000: ? 09:23:14 <planetmaker> not a plutocracy ;-) 09:23:16 <Mazur> Good morning, Ammler. 09:23:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> read up 09:23:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> with zoom 09:23:32 <Ammler> sponsoring? 09:23:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> nah 09:23:46 <planetmaker> But... if you feel like, tycoondemon, we're free to accept sponsoring. 09:23:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> + and - keys dont work for zooming :D 09:23:53 <Mazur> V453000, mouse wheels have the tendency to be touched while clicking, with me. 09:23:55 <planetmaker> What and how do you want to donate? 09:23:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> I have no clue how come 09:25:09 <Mazur> Anyone? 09:26:39 *** Samu has quit IRC 09:27:34 <tycoondemon> planetmaker, what is currently missing what is really needed? 09:27:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> I need beer 09:27:53 <planetmaker> :-D 09:28:00 <tycoondemon> !:d 09:28:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> Desperately. 09:28:15 <Mazur> Then get one, you ninny. 09:28:16 <tycoondemon> maybe I can sponser some openttd beer 09:28:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> yea 09:28:55 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00038EFC: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00038EFC.png 09:29:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw 09:29:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> what do we need money for? :d 09:29:21 <tycoondemon> dont know 09:29:27 <tycoondemon> you might need money to live 09:29:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> well 09:29:40 <tycoondemon> and to have free time to play coop 09:29:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> to live by openttd is kinda ... 09:29:56 <tycoondemon> free tim is something I dont have much of :( 09:30:35 <planetmaker> he :-( 09:32:10 <tycoondemon> I just want the @!!! :P what ever I have to do for it :S 09:32:14 <tycoondemon> :P 09:32:23 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 09:32:33 <planetmaker> @calc 39*12 09:32:33 <Webster> planetmaker: 468 09:33:04 <tycoondemon> maybe better host for servers, so nomore connection losts? 09:33:08 <planetmaker> V453000: well... the public server is sponsored by Ralph, who IIRC runs his own hosting service. Still it'll cost him 09:33:13 <Mazur> !password 09:33:13 <PublicServer> Mazur: larked 09:33:26 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 09:33:50 <planetmaker> The DevZone (mz.openttdcoop, dev.openttdcoop.org, devserver, coopetition server) cost Ammler and me just short of 500€ per year 09:34:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> that isnt low :) 09:34:21 <Mazur> Depends on how much you make in a year. 09:34:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> and it still isnt low :) 09:34:36 <Mazur> It'd be low for for instance, Bill Gates. 09:34:42 <planetmaker> Osai pays for the webserver, but ... we try to move it to a common server 09:36:02 <planetmaker> tycoondemon: Our servers don't suffer from connection issues. If you loose connection that's due to the connection failing somewhere on your end 09:36:18 <planetmaker> or due to a too low processor of yours in the later game stages 09:36:43 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 09:37:11 <planetmaker> one thing I 09:37:45 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 09:37:48 <planetmaker> *could* imagine is to move the secondary servers to a separate server... so that they don't cross-talk anymore with the devzone 09:38:15 <planetmaker> and I can also imagine to keep the webserver on its own machine 09:38:39 <tycoondemon> I dont have connection lossen but they come by from time to time 09:39:24 <tycoondemon> DevZone is like a single machien or a vertual rented server? 09:39:39 <tycoondemon> dammn my spelling 09:40:26 <tycoondemon> so no finacial help needed? 09:40:36 <planetmaker> devzone is currently a vserver 09:41:08 <planetmaker> tycoondemon: I guess we (openttdcoop) should really think of how to accept contributions in that respect. 09:41:15 <planetmaker> We just have so far no policy there... 09:41:16 <tycoondemon> what about bandwidth, all those recomiles of every nightly 09:41:38 <tycoondemon> ic 09:41:50 <tycoondemon> there is no real openttdcoop leader or something 09:41:56 <tycoondemon> its all 'open' :P 09:42:16 <planetmaker> bandwidth is no real problem. Servers come with 100Mbit connectivity and several TB free traffic per month 09:42:45 <planetmaker> we only compile the server's binary. The download links from ap+ are the official download links of openttd 09:43:09 <planetmaker> And the traffic from the DevZone for all newgrfs and stuff... not high either 09:43:18 <tycoondemon> well, its just that, openttdcoop is seriously THE best gaming thing I have aver found, in my opinion, and I want contribute 09:43:40 <tycoondemon> right 09:43:57 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003EB28: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003EB28.png 09:44:02 <V453000> you support us just by being with us :) 09:44:23 <planetmaker> tycoondemon: :-) thanks. I guess that's why I'm here, too. I found it... and got stuck :-) 09:44:32 <tycoondemon> bam, I will be here untill I die, that is a fact 09:44:39 <planetmaker> :-D 09:44:49 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop 09:45:27 *** tycoondemon is now known as tycoondemon|supporter 09:45:48 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 09:45:57 <V453000> !password 09:45:58 <PublicServer> V453000: avowal 09:46:30 <Lukeus_Maximus> your connection be damned! 09:46:41 <V453000> indeed 09:46:45 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 09:47:55 <tycoondemon|supporter> he is still on wireless probablt 09:48:00 <V453000> my wifi router wodl need a beer too :D 09:48:05 <V453000> would 09:48:39 <tycoondemon|supporter> I noticed that openttd is less smooth when connection to a server via wireless 09:49:07 <V453000> dunno 09:49:10 <V453000> most of the time it is fine 09:49:11 <Mazur> I wouldn't know, my local network is all WIFI. 09:50:02 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 09:50:39 <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: I guess that depends upon how stable the wifi is. 09:51:14 <V453000> I think it just overheated in my case atm 09:51:21 <planetmaker> OpenTTD communicates with the server the time tick which the server's at and a hash of the game state 09:51:26 <V453000> it is under the rooftop and there is Fing hot 09:51:35 <planetmaker> if packets are lost... your client might think it should not continue :-) 09:52:51 <Yso> @gap 19 09:52:51 <Webster> Yso: For Trainlength of 19: <= 25 needs 2, 26 - 46 needs 3, 47 - 67 needs 4. 09:52:59 <Yso> @gap 5 09:52:59 <Webster> Yso: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4. 09:53:04 <Lukeus_Maximus> MSH 02 a -> FOOD DROP ML complete! 09:53:11 <tycoondemon|supporter> well the trains just move a litlle more shocky when connecting via wireless 09:53:36 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1 09:53:45 *** benom has quit IRC 09:53:56 <Lukeus_Maximus> what does "<= 11 needs 2" mean? 09:54:13 <tycoondemon|supporter> 2 tunnels/bridges? 09:54:21 <tycoondemon|supporter> (just a gues) 09:54:24 <PublicServer> <Spike> if gap <= 11you need 2 tunnels/bridges 09:54:52 <tycoondemon|supporter> coop lingo is cool 09:55:10 <tycoondemon|supporter> maybe we should make a coop video promotial 09:55:17 <Lukeus_Maximus> bigger train gap = more tunnels/bridges? I thought it would be the other way around 09:57:25 <Yso> not the traingap, it's the signaling gap 09:57:43 <PublicServer> <Spike> damn that's a big balancer.. almost feel like making it a roundabout.. :D 09:58:16 <planetmaker> :-O roundabout = portals to hell 09:58:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> ;) 09:58:49 <PublicServer> <Spike> was just looking to fit in a balancer to one of the food drops 09:58:59 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00010BCE: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00010BCE.png 09:59:01 <PublicServer> <Spike> but seemed like a bad idea :) 09:59:16 <PublicServer> <Spike> where i wanted it that is 10:00:21 <V453000> !password 10:00:21 <PublicServer> V453000: busier 10:00:33 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 10:00:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> heyaheoheye 10:00:54 <PublicServer> <Mazur> H, v 10:02:03 <PublicServer> <Spike> seems without realizing it i build me stations the right way around 10:02:36 <tycoondemon|supporter> slowly your unconcious mind starts addapting to the coop way 10:02:47 <PublicServer> <Spike> i hope it does by now after almost a year :D 10:02:53 <PublicServer> <Spike> damn.. i've been here for almost a year.. 10:03:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> only 1? 10:03:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> o_O 10:03:21 <^Spike^> yeah.. before you joined i was the shortest here :D 10:03:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 10:03:40 <^Spike^> august 26 it is a year... 10:04:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am here for longer time I think :) 10:04:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> but not actively 10:04:08 <^Spike^> could be :) 10:04:19 <^Spike^> but still you're a new member the shortest ;) 10:04:23 <^Spike^> you're the new guy still ;) 10:04:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 10:04:32 <Lukeus_Maximus> I'm a new guy! 10:04:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> newby iz mey :) 10:04:40 <Lukeus_Maximus> How could you not notice me! 10:04:44 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I have a still! 10:05:04 <PublicServer> <Spike> Lukeus_Maximus: go make me a balance at the S food drop then ;) 10:05:21 <PublicServer> <Spike> the N one will balance itself out when leaving the station 10:06:09 <tycoondemon|supporter> I am more new 10:06:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> no me! 10:06:25 <tycoondemon|supporter> like 3132141232 10:06:26 <tycoondemon|supporter> !!! 10:06:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> you guys fight out who makes my balancer then ;) 10:06:31 <tycoondemon|supporter> take taht 10:06:47 <tycoondemon|supporter> I am at wotk, cant play 10:07:00 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I would if I could, but I can't so I shan't. 10:07:06 <planetmaker> Lukeus_Maximus: new guys are not *that* uncommon here; though we do notice them. 10:07:07 <^Spike^> 1 new guy down 2 to go ;) 10:07:18 <planetmaker> But... I've seen your nick before. So you're not entirely new ;-) 10:07:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> he is here since ~180 I think 10:08:47 *** Piyush has joined #openttdcoop 10:09:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> fuck 10:09:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> guys? 10:09:11 <Yso> ? 10:09:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> machine shop done :D 10:09:23 <PublicServer> * Mazur <----181 10:09:57 <PublicServer> <Mazur> And no prior TTD experience in any form or format. 10:09:58 <Piyush> !password 10:09:59 <PublicServer> Piyush: busier 10:10:02 <^Spike^> !rcon save 188-build 10:10:03 <PublicServer> ^Spike^: Saving map... 10:10:03 <PublicServer> ^Spike^: Map successfully saved to 188-build.sav 10:10:11 <^Spike^> need to restart server for a moment :) 10:10:12 <PublicServer> *** Piyush joined the game 10:10:24 <^Spike^> AKA: YOU DISCONNECT DO! :) 10:10:36 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 10:10:38 <^Spike^> !rcon exit 10:10:40 <PublicServer> Server has exited 10:10:41 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 10:10:49 <V453000> end of the world! 10:10:49 <Lukeus_Maximus> wut? 10:10:57 <Lukeus_Maximus> I hope that saved!!! 10:11:09 <^Spike^> yeah i saved 10:11:13 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 10:11:13 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 10:11:13 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 10:11:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 10:11:13 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #188 (r20080) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage" 10:11:25 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 10:11:33 <V453000> !password 10:11:39 <^Spike^> something broke ap 10:11:40 <V453000> hey :D 10:11:48 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 10:11:48 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 10:11:48 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 10:11:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 10:11:49 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #188 (r20080) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage" 10:11:49 <^Spike^> take 2... 10:11:53 <^Spike^> and i run..! :) 10:11:55 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 10:11:59 <V453000> :< 10:12:09 <Lukeus_Maximus> great.... you broke it... 10:12:17 <V453000> yeaaa 10:12:19 <V453000> its not me :P 10:12:38 <^Spike^> me good :D 10:12:53 *** Davelister has quit IRC 10:13:18 <^Spike^> wrong save name :D 10:13:19 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 10:13:19 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 10:13:19 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 10:13:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 10:13:19 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #188 (r20080) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage" 10:13:20 <^Spike^> me good.. :D 10:13:23 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 10:13:27 <V453000> hmm :D 10:13:30 <V453000> yea good :D 10:13:32 <Yso> hm.... 10:13:32 <Lukeus_Maximus> fail 10:13:33 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 10:13:34 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 10:13:34 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 10:13:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 10:13:34 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #188 (r20080) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage" 10:13:40 <V453000> aaand down 10:13:41 <^Spike^> i sigh more with the moment 10:13:43 <V453000> no? 10:13:44 <V453000> :D 10:13:45 <V453000> :) 10:13:49 <Lukeus_Maximus> wait for it... 10:13:53 <^Spike^> stupid gave doesn.t like without .sav :) 10:13:57 <V453000> !password biatch 10:13:57 <PublicServer> V453000: beeves 10:14:12 <Piyush> !password 10:14:12 <PublicServer> Piyush: beeves 10:14:17 <PublicServer> *** Yso joined the game 10:14:24 <Lukeus_Maximus> dammit queue 10:14:28 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus joined the game 10:14:29 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 10:14:30 <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game 10:14:33 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 10:14:38 <PublicServer> *** Piyush joined the game 10:14:47 <PublicServer> <Mazur> What queue? 10:17:04 <tycoondemon|supporter> what about a server with a high clocked cpu so we can make networks more complex? 10:18:07 <Mazur> The problem seems more to be the clients' CPUs. 10:19:38 <Mazur> If the clients CPU tasks could be threaded, the clients could handle more and then we could do more. 10:20:12 <hylje> if the server could do the clients' work only once we could put clients on 486s 10:20:15 <tycoondemon|supporter> I believe that mutitheading wasnot on the delopers agenda any time soon 10:20:40 <PublicServer> <Piyush> whats the TL? 10:20:42 <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: multi-threading means to re-write many core concepts of the game 10:21:05 <Yso> Piyush, 5 10:21:11 <hylje> multithreading would involve some extent of de-determinisming the code 10:21:11 <PublicServer> <Piyush> thanks 10:21:13 <Mazur> No, but the clients are the main bottleneck for more complicated or larger games, now. 10:21:26 <Mazur> Just saying, 10:21:29 <hylje> the bottleneck is the synchronization based netcode 10:21:45 <hylje> openttd is fully synchronized and limited by the slowest peer 10:22:04 <hylje> if it were asynchronous the limit would zoom to the fastest peer 10:22:13 <Mazur> So we need bigger potties. 10:22:24 <Mazur> So the slowest peer can pee faster. 10:22:31 <hylje> ha. ha. 10:22:43 <Mazur> I know, I know... 10:22:43 *** Vitus has joined #openttdcoop 10:22:58 <Mazur> Couldn't resist, though. 10:23:01 <Mazur> Hi, V. 10:23:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> hy 10:23:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> wah? 10:23:16 <Mazur> :-) 10:23:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> we have seen each other today ... 10:23:36 <Vitus> Hey Mazur 10:23:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh 10:23:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 10:23:56 <planetmaker> [12:21] <hylje> openttd is fully synchronized and limited by the slowest peer <-- not true 10:24:01 <planetmaker> The game speed is hard-coded 10:24:04 <tycoondemon|supporter> so, all I have to do is erwright the core of game? 10:24:05 <Mazur> Just having my little fun. 10:24:21 <planetmaker> And the server sets the speed the game progresses 10:24:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> Vitus: come build :) 10:24:27 <hylje> planetmaker: a sufficiently complex game will see the slowest peers unable to keep up 10:24:47 <planetmaker> yes. Because the server determines the speed. And the latter is hard-coded. 10:25:01 <planetmaker> Unless the server is too week to run the game at the hard-coded speed 10:25:03 <Vitus> V453000: Can't now, have to do something and lunch soon anyways 10:25:05 <planetmaker> *weak 10:25:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 10:25:19 <Mazur> Plenty fun stuff to build, Vitus. 10:25:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> if this overflow fails, I go hang myself :D 10:25:52 <PublicServer> <Piyush> the line in the top seems to be stuck withoth terraforming 10:25:55 <PublicServer> <Piyush> lol 10:27:17 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Should be easy to subtly sabotage. 10:27:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh ew :D 10:27:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> found one big mistake 10:28:36 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003D6F4: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003D6F4.png 10:28:36 <PublicServer> <Mazur> The plaan, right, that's the mistake? 10:28:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> nah 10:28:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> in the station 10:29:53 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 10:30:01 <V453000> !password 10:30:01 <PublicServer> V453000: colons 10:30:20 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 10:30:30 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Passengers? 10:30:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> just testing 10:31:49 <PublicServer> <Piyush> what is the rule for terraforming? I dont see anything in the plan 10:31:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> well 10:32:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> try to make it low 10:32:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> as always 10:32:20 <PublicServer> <Piyush> K, just checking before I do it, haha 10:32:23 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Should be easy to get rid of that loop in the station. 10:33:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is no issue Mazur :) 10:33:16 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Shall I do the rest? 10:33:23 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I know, but still 10:33:50 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I've seen non-issues crop up often enough. 10:36:29 <PublicServer> *** Piyush has left the game (connection lost) 10:36:29 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 10:36:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 10:36:44 <Piyush> !password 10:36:44 <PublicServer> Piyush: colons 10:37:26 <PublicServer> *** Piyush joined the game 10:39:39 <tycoondemon|supporter> terraforming: 0 10:39:42 <tycoondemon|supporter> that would be hard core 10:39:47 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 10:39:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> lunchy 10:41:01 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:41:20 <planetmaker> tycoondemon|supporter: we did it already 10:43:09 <PublicServer> *** Yso has joined spectators 10:43:14 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 10:43:38 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00065DD2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00065DD2.png 10:45:10 <Tray> Is there any possibility of updating grf via console? 10:45:32 <hylje> openttd executable should have a few banana flags 10:45:37 <hylje> check it out 10:46:02 <Tray> !password 10:46:02 <PublicServer> Tray: nooned 10:47:31 <Tray> !download win32 10:47:31 <PublicServer> Tray: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r20080/openttd-trunk-r20080-windows-win32.zip 10:48:32 <Tray> Hrm. My problem is, that I'm not able to join the server via the UI because it's always offline, but via console i get a grf missmatch though I've downloaded everything from bananas 10:49:19 <Mazur> It's be marked red in the NewGRF UI. 10:49:31 <Mazur> s/s/ll/ 10:50:01 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus has left the game (leaving) 10:50:04 <Lukeus_Maximus> ta for now 10:50:14 <Mazur> Bye, Luke. 10:50:19 <Tray> I don't get any NewGRF UI, because I'm not using the UI for joining. 10:53:01 <PublicServer> *** Piyush has left the game (leaving) 10:53:09 *** Piyush has left #openttdcoop 10:55:38 <planetmaker> Tray: then use the UI 10:55:53 <Tray> I can't ... That's exactly the problem. 10:56:01 <planetmaker> otherwise you might not be able to obtain missing newgrfs from bananas 10:56:08 <planetmaker> and why can't you use it? 10:56:10 <Tray> The Ui always tells me, that your server is offline. 10:56:13 <planetmaker> how can you play without? 10:56:19 <planetmaker> then enter the IP. 10:56:23 <Tray> joining via console. 10:56:25 <planetmaker> add it manually 10:56:31 <Tray> !IP 10:56:34 <Tray> !ip 10:56:34 <PublicServer> Tray: ps.openttdcoop.org 10:56:39 <planetmaker> you can't. Obviously with missing newgrfs 10:57:00 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop 10:57:27 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined company #1 10:57:49 <Tray> Im speaking about the past. \: 10:58:09 *** Lukeus_Maximus has quit IRC 10:58:28 <Tray> Enter IP manually don't change anything. 10:58:28 <VVG> hello 10:58:40 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003EAFD: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003EAFD.png 10:59:29 <Mazur> Hello, VVG. 11:04:08 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1 11:06:00 <Tray> So ... planetmaker, thanks for your advise, but it stil doesn't work. 11:06:23 <hylje> use the UI to get the error messages out 11:06:44 <hylje> oh nevermind 11:06:55 <Tray> Hrm? 11:09:37 <PublicServer> *** Yso has joined company #1 11:10:18 <PublicServer> <Spike> V i'm looking... where are we gonna drop the goods 11:10:25 <PublicServer> <Spike> look at station position and town position 11:10:39 <planetmaker> tray: "still doesn't work" is possibly the most accurate description of what goes wrong and what you tried where and how 11:10:40 <PublicServer> <Spike> only way would be to bridge the town closer to the station 11:10:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> meh founding towns not alowd 11:11:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> I planned to fund a town there 11:11:41 <Tray> planetmaker: S. I add the ip, the GUI say that your server is offline. I downloaded everything from bananas and tried to join via console, but I've a grf mismatch. 11:12:01 <hylje> you may still need the grf pack 11:12:18 <Tray> Is a new one out there? I had the 7.3 11:12:47 <planetmaker> Tray: don't try to join via console. You need the newgrf gui which is accessible via the network lobby 11:13:01 <planetmaker> and yes, it works to add ps.openttdcoop.org to the server's list 11:13:10 <planetmaker> Just make sure it's set to "internet" and not "lan" 11:13:25 <PublicServer> <Yso> goods drop in firs = general store 11:13:32 <PublicServer> <Yso> no need for a town imho 11:13:42 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00076ADA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00076ADA.png 11:13:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> general store = in town 11:13:58 <Tray> I am sure, that i search for ps.openttdcoop.org on the internet. 11:13:59 <PublicServer> <Yso> you can found it 11:14:22 <Tray> I've the ip in the last joined games. 11:14:24 <Yso> and i think it's not required to be placed in a town 11:14:32 <PublicServer> <Spike> hmm 11:14:34 <Tray> The GUI tells me that the server is offline. 11:14:39 <Mazur> Yeez, my nieghbour has been using a hiver in his garden for over an hour now, can I go over and torture him back a little? 11:14:46 <PublicServer> <Spike> you do 11:14:50 <Mazur> s/hiver/hoover/ 11:14:54 <PublicServer> <Spike> can only be build in towns 11:14:58 <Mazur> s/ie/ei 11:14:58 <hylje> get a vuvuzela 11:15:01 <PublicServer> <Yso> narf :( 11:15:06 <PublicServer> <Spike> which means moving the town a little 11:15:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> im searchin for the .f 11:15:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> .cfg name of the found town 11:15:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> settings 11:16:13 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 11:16:13 <PublicServer> V453000: Current value for 'found_town' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 2) 11:16:17 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 1 11:16:38 <PublicServer> <Spike> i got a house... 11:16:40 <planetmaker> whot? 11:16:47 <PublicServer> <Spike> let's see how it works out before we make a new town :) 11:16:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> and I got a city :p 11:16:54 <PublicServer> <Spike> lame :) 11:16:54 <Tray> SO, planetmaker. Maybe I seem to be stupid, but it still does not work as described above. 11:17:04 <PublicServer> <Spike> i atleast am creative 11:17:04 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 11:17:04 *** Webster sets mode: +o Phazorx 11:17:10 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 0 11:17:11 <PublicServer> <Spike> you take the lazymens route ;) 11:17:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 11:17:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> and I admit it and am proud of it! :D 11:17:51 <PublicServer> <Spike> that's what you get with new guys around ;) 11:17:58 <Mazur> Hear, hear. 11:18:04 *** Tray has quit IRC 11:18:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> hear, beer 11:18:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw you need the busses in the city center 11:18:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> also town growth speed might fuck you up :D 11:18:47 <^Spike^> i got time ;) 11:18:52 <^Spike^> alot before the first trains go ;) 11:18:54 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 11:19:34 <PublicServer> <Spike> there general store :D 11:19:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> there is no general store 11:19:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> in Trollöv 11:19:44 <PublicServer> <Spike> all you need is 1 house :D 11:19:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> and it accepts goods 11:19:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 11:19:53 <PublicServer> <Spike> in my town there is one :D 11:19:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 11:20:09 <PublicServer> <Spike> we can use both :) 11:20:15 <PublicServer> <Spike> let them fight for goods ;) 11:20:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 11:21:33 <PublicServer> <Spike> can make it some eye-candy thing :) 11:21:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> \o/ candy 11:22:05 <PublicServer> <Mazur> That's not a general store, that's an Ikea. 11:22:11 *** Phazorx has quit IRC 11:22:13 <hylje> IKEA 11:22:49 <PublicServer> <Spike> ikea is a general store ;) 11:23:24 <hylje> so long your definition of "general" is furniture and meatballs 11:23:31 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nope, several ranks lower: a major store. 11:24:15 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 11:24:46 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 11:24:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:28:44 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003AAF3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003AAF3.png 11:30:08 *** Tray has quit IRC 11:33:16 <VVG> !password 11:33:16 <PublicServer> VVG: petted 11:33:36 <PublicServer> *** VVG joined the game 11:34:03 <PublicServer> <VVG> whoa, station became even more mind boggling 11:34:25 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Which one. 11:34:32 <PublicServer> <VVG> central one 11:35:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> VVG: it is now complete :) 11:36:06 <PublicServer> <VVG> i need some help deciding which side to prio at bbh 05 11:36:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> try something :) 11:36:38 <PublicServer> <VVG> or it may be redone later according to traffic flow and now any direction will suffice? 11:37:21 *** devilsadvocate has quit IRC 11:37:24 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I'd say get EW out of the way first. 11:37:34 <PublicServer> <VVG> u just can't guestimmate where the main traffic will be 11:37:40 <PublicServer> <VVG> s/u/i 11:38:06 <PublicServer> <Mazur> because if that blocks, joins will block splits further back. 11:39:46 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Do you get what I mean? 11:40:04 <PublicServer> <VVG> left-right as main direction? 11:40:34 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bottomleft to topright and vice versa. 11:40:41 <PublicServer> <Mazur> E-W 11:41:18 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Because otherwise the joins will block the split of the very same hub. 11:42:15 *** Fuco has joined #openttdcoop 11:42:15 <PublicServer> <VVG> now i don't get it anymore 11:42:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Fuco 11:42:46 <PublicServer> <Mazur> East is topright of screen, right? 11:42:55 <PublicServer> <Mazur> North is topleft. 11:43:05 <PublicServer> <Mazur> West is bottomleft. 11:43:15 <PublicServer> <Mazur> And South is bottom-right. 11:43:32 <PublicServer> <Mazur> So we have an EWS hub. 11:43:46 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003E0F6: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003E0F6.png 11:44:02 <PublicServer> <Mazur> East, west and south, I mean. 11:45:25 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Now if the hub is quite full, then all the traffic from the east, if it gives way to traffic from the south, would block the traffic going _to_ the south once the line of waiting trains reaches the split-off to the south. 11:46:40 <PublicServer> *** Yso has joined spectators 11:48:41 <Ammler> nice SER :-) 11:48:55 <V453000> ? 11:49:09 <PublicServer> <VVG> nah, i'l just do it and then someone fixes it, if done wrong, i still don't quite get an explanation :) 11:49:14 <V453000> you know that "SER" means in czech like if you order someone to shit? SHIT! :D 11:50:10 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anopther thing, VVG, some of your bridges have no room for proper synched signalling. 11:50:21 <PublicServer> <VVG> where? 11:50:39 <Ammler> he, how do you order someone to "shit"? 11:50:51 <V453000> SER! 11:50:52 <V453000> :P 11:50:59 <PublicServer> <VVG> how is that not synced? 11:51:13 <PublicServer> <Spike> VVG: he means signal wise 11:51:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> after the bridge you can't place a signal 11:51:35 <PublicServer> <VVG> oops 11:51:38 <Ammler> and what does he do then? 11:51:38 <PublicServer> <VVG> wait 11:51:43 <PublicServer> <Mazur> that's not what I said, I sid there iss no room for a signal on both bridges before and after. 11:51:45 <PublicServer> <VVG> there is a space 11:52:18 <PublicServer> <VVG> here 11:52:21 <V453000> Ammler: well that isnt solved :D 11:52:29 <Ammler> :-) 11:52:31 <PublicServer> <Mazur> They _only_ work with PBS. 11:52:36 <PublicServer> <VVG> yep 11:52:48 <PublicServer> <Mazur> That6's what I meant. 11:53:00 <PublicServer> <Spike> just a question why choose pbs over normal signals? 11:53:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> less space 11:53:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> cause PBS solves everything for me! 11:53:21 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I tend to think in block based signalling, so the option to do either is there. 11:53:29 <PublicServer> <Spike> do you see space issues in that area? :) 11:53:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> ^ 11:53:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> ^ 11:53:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> ^ 11:53:47 <PublicServer> <VVG> there are issues on other areas and i tried to be uniform :) 11:53:53 <PublicServer> <VVG> s/on/in 11:54:16 <PublicServer> <VVG> should i go for presignals? 11:54:33 <PublicServer> <Spike> pre sigs.. normal sigs.. both would work there :) 11:54:47 <PublicServer> <Spike> but you are right pbs can be nice where you don't have space... 11:54:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> presignals are usually best 11:54:57 <PublicServer> <Spike> but here... i can still place 20 bridges and have enough space :D 11:55:02 <PublicServer> <VVG> well, since yapp got introduced i always used pbs in sush setups, seems to always work 11:55:49 <PublicServer> <VVG> i just don't see a reason for normal signals, since pbs works 11:56:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> PBS sucks 11:56:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> and use 1way only please :) 11:57:30 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you have a very tightly placed station and need them on platforms, for instance. 11:58:49 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000A959: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0000A959.png 11:59:09 *** Tmwalrus has joined #openttdcoop 11:59:37 <Tmwalrus> @quickstart 11:59:39 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 11:59:46 <Tmwalrus> !help 11:59:46 <PublicServer> Tmwalrus: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 11:59:51 <V453000> welcome walrus :) 11:59:57 <Tmwalrus> Hi there ;) 12:00:05 <Tmwalrus> New to this community 12:00:12 <V453000> I know :p 12:00:23 <Mazur> @quickstart 12:00:25 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 12:00:38 <V453000> [13:59] <Tmwalrus> @quickstart [14:00] <Mazur> @quickstart 12:00:40 <V453000> ... 12:00:41 <V453000> :P 12:00:48 <Tmwalrus> ;) 12:01:01 <Mazur> I never said I was _fast_. 12:01:13 *** Mitcian has joined #openttdcoop 12:05:24 *** devilsadvocate has joined #openttdcoop 12:10:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> OMG planetmaker 12:10:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> you have vehicles expiring 12:10:44 <planetmaker> do I? 12:10:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 12:10:51 <planetmaker> then change it 12:10:55 <PublicServer> *** VVG has left the game (leaving) 12:11:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> only over single player -.- 12:11:06 <VVG> i'm off for a bit, be back later 12:12:04 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:13:51 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000103E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0000103E.png 12:13:56 <V453000> !password 12:13:56 <PublicServer> V453000: celery 12:14:04 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 12:14:27 <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game 12:20:55 <Vitus> Back 12:21:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:22:00 <PublicServer> *** Vitus joined the game 12:25:02 <PublicServer> <Vitus> The middle is crazy! 12:25:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> noo 12:26:38 <^Spike^> Vitus it isn't crazy... V453000 is crazy ;) 12:26:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> :( 12:26:47 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Whatever :D 12:26:49 <PublicServer> <Vitus> CL5? 12:26:55 <^Spike^> we already called an institution for him :) 12:26:57 <^Spike^> no worries |' 12:26:59 <^Spike^> :) 12:27:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> institution? :D 12:27:05 <^Spike^> something with padded walls you know :D 12:27:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 12:27:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 12:27:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> awsom 12:27:14 <^Spike^> just to make sure he can't hurt him self.. ;) 12:28:50 <PublicServer> <Vitus> What is CL, please. 5? 12:28:53 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00001434: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00001434.png 12:28:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure 12:28:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> 5 12:29:05 <PublicServer> <Vitus> OK, I'll start fixing CLs all over the map :D 12:29:36 <Vitus> @gap 5 12:29:36 <Webster> Vitus: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4. 12:29:37 <planetmaker> is CL5 really needed due to train speed? (I've absolutely no idea, but it might be worth to check) 12:30:13 <^Spike^> @elrail 230 12:30:13 <VVG> it is, i'playing sp with 230 kmh, cl5 is needed 12:30:19 <^Spike^> @erail 230 12:30:25 <^Spike^> @erailcl 230 12:30:30 <^Spike^> @railcl 12:30:30 <Webster> ^Spike^: (traincl <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo CL[math calc floor((-sqrt(231-min(231, ))+13)* (10**3))/(10.0**3)] required for rail at speed km/h (or TL if it's shorter)". 12:30:36 <PublicServer> <Vitus> What is the speed of the engines? 12:30:38 <^Spike^> @railcl 230 12:30:38 <Webster> CL 12 required for rail at speed 230km/h (or TL if it's shorter) 12:30:43 <^Spike^> @erailcl 230 12:30:54 <^Spike^> well you get the idea so yes you need TL :D 12:31:04 <VVG> cl12? o_0 12:31:21 <PublicServer> <Vitus> 230 is 12 half-tiles 12:31:23 <VVG> is it coungting diagonals' halves as one? 12:31:26 <PublicServer> <Vitus> That's CL6 12:31:44 <PublicServer> <Vitus> If you use normal half-tile wagons, that's it :P 12:31:51 <VVG> !password 12:31:51 <PublicServer> VVG: fleecy 12:32:06 *** Nego has joined #openttdcoop 12:32:06 <planetmaker> VVG: use the measurement tool 12:32:09 <Nego> !password 12:32:09 <PublicServer> Nego: fleecy 12:32:23 <planetmaker> it'll tell you that each diagonal one is 0.5 tiles long 12:32:29 <PublicServer> *** VVG joined the game 12:32:53 <Nego> !download 12:32:53 <PublicServer> Nego: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x 12:32:58 <VVG> btw, have you ever though of setting up teamspeak/ventrilo serv? feels quite usefull here 12:33:03 <Nego> !download wind32 12:33:03 <PublicServer> Nego: unknown option "wind32" 12:33:07 <hylje> mumble 12:33:07 <Nego> !download win32 12:33:07 <PublicServer> Nego: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r20080/openttd-trunk-r20080-windows-win32.zip 12:33:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> we are too lazy to talk 12:34:53 <PublicServer> *** Pjom joined the game 12:40:25 <PublicServer> <VVG> bbh05 looks done 12:40:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:42:29 <PublicServer> <VVG> i wonder if my splitting will work 12:42:49 <PublicServer> *** Yso joined the game 12:42:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think it will 12:42:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> anyhow 12:43:16 <PublicServer> <VVG> it might need ajusting signals lenghts, to not let the splitting be blocked 12:43:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:43:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> I like you consider also this thing 12:43:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> many people dont 12:43:55 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000B526: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0000B526.png 12:44:29 <PublicServer> *** Yso has joined company #1 12:44:42 <PublicServer> <VVG> i got burned before :) 12:44:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:45:41 <PublicServer> *** Pjom has left the game (leaving) 12:45:44 *** Nego has quit IRC 12:46:27 <planetmaker> [14:32] <VVG> btw, have you ever though of setting up teamspeak/ventrilo serv? feels quite usefull here <-- yes. There was (is?) one. 12:46:31 <planetmaker> But it was hardly ever used 12:46:48 <VVG> that's a pity 12:47:19 <planetmaker> I think it's out-of-order currently 12:47:35 <planetmaker> try ts.openttdcoop.org, if you like 12:47:41 <KenjiE20> the issue qith VoIP is coop is about communication 12:47:46 <KenjiE20> with* 12:47:53 <PublicServer> <VVG> another thing i want to check here is 2 entrances served by one prio 12:48:08 <KenjiE20> and text is the lowest common denominator for comms 12:48:21 <planetmaker> and the best understood one 12:48:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> VVG: that is pretty good actually 12:48:27 <planetmaker> people may be able to write and read 12:48:36 <planetmaker> listening comprehension is the most difficult form 12:48:48 <planetmaker> especially in such highly compressed form as transmitted by TS 12:48:53 <VVG> you need practice, and here is agood place :) 12:48:54 <KenjiE20> not to mention bandwidth overheads 12:49:14 <planetmaker> VVG: yes, it's a good idea :-) 12:49:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think my english would be the same comprehensive over ts as in real :d 12:49:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> 0 12:49:41 <planetmaker> :-) 12:49:54 <planetmaker> You do understand English, do you, V453000? :-) 12:50:05 <planetmaker> At least it didn't come accross that you don't ;-) 12:50:14 <V453000> :) 12:51:03 <PublicServer> <VVG> have you ever tried combining train sets in a game? 12:51:07 <planetmaker> hm... 1k downloads of SE rails in 4 days :-) 12:51:13 <planetmaker> VVG: yes 12:51:27 <planetmaker> usually there's no benefit 12:51:34 <VVG> eye-candy! 12:51:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> planetmaker depends if the one who mixes the sets knows what he is doing 12:52:04 <planetmaker> V453000: so true indeed 12:52:22 <planetmaker> VVG: it's not only about eye candy. They may have un-wanted cross-talk 12:52:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> I often play with ~4 trainsets when I play SP 12:52:34 <VVG> cross-talk? 12:52:42 <planetmaker> influence all the same settings. 12:52:47 <planetmaker> All together screwing them up 12:52:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> they dont have to be friendly with each other :) 12:52:58 <VVG> what kind of settings that might be? 12:53:04 <planetmaker> costs 12:53:07 <VVG> that you should care in coop-like game 12:53:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> but iirc, the only incompatible is the North American Renewal 12:53:19 <planetmaker> V453000: how so? 12:53:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think all others work nicely 12:53:31 <planetmaker> did you checkout parameter 4 of it? :-) 12:53:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> (the major sets) 12:53:33 <VVG> it has a parameter to let it work with multiple engines 12:53:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> no I didnt :) 12:53:57 <planetmaker> always look at parameters of newgrfs. It pays 12:54:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> I know 12:54:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> north american roads for example are funny in that regard 12:54:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> canadian stations too 12:54:19 <planetmaker> then you'd know that NARS2 has no problem ;-) 12:54:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:56:56 <planetmaker> I think next time I try NARS2, I'll set it also to use the Canadian version and snow ploughs 12:57:10 <V453000> nice nice 12:58:19 <planetmaker> (yes, I just looked today for NARS parameters :-P ) 12:58:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 12:58:57 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000489D5: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000489D5.png 13:00:08 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1 13:00:22 <PublicServer> <VVG> is there any reason, except for eye-candy, to set 2nd engine at the end of train? 13:00:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> about the same reason as set it to the beginning 13:00:49 <PublicServer> <Spike> what he said 13:01:03 <PublicServer> <VVG> eye-candy? 13:01:11 <PublicServer> <Spike> increase accel speed 13:01:25 <PublicServer> <VVG> eh? does it help? 13:01:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> accel speed doesnt change with loc position :) 13:02:00 <PublicServer> <Spike> well i thought he meant a reason for having 2 :) 13:02:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 13:02:15 <PublicServer> <VVG> :) 13:04:17 <PublicServer> <VVG> how many trains the planned network can carry? 13:04:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> we will see 13:04:42 <PublicServer> <Spike> that's the idea... stress test it.. 13:04:45 <PublicServer> <Spike> and fix flaws :) 13:10:33 <VVG> @gap 5 13:10:33 <Webster> VVG: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4. 13:11:13 <PublicServer> *** VVG has left the game (leaving) 13:13:51 <VVG> Is ts.openttdcoop.org up? 13:14:00 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004ADC8: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004ADC8.png 13:14:39 <planetmaker> VVG: I guess it might not. I don't have TS installed 13:16:25 <^Spike^> eh.. 13:17:00 <^Spike^> seems not assuming it uses the default port 13:17:57 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 13:18:49 <VVG> no idea what is the default one. i just dled ts3 client, which differ quite a lot from the last i used ts. It has 9987 as default to connect to. 13:19:05 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 13:19:16 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Teamspeak 13:19:52 <KenjiE20> I'm pretty sure that one was shut ages ago 13:20:02 <VVG> still failed 13:20:18 <planetmaker> so probably not 13:20:24 <^Spike^> :) 13:20:47 <KenjiE20> @servtest ts.openttdcoop.org 8767 13:20:47 <Webster> KenjiE20: Server at ts.openttdcoop.org:8767 is not up ((111, 'Connection refused')) 13:20:56 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 13:29:02 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004A1DC: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004A1DC.png 13:29:36 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined spectators 13:31:38 <PublicServer> *** Sepp joined the game 13:32:01 <PublicServer> <Sepp> hi 13:32:08 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey 13:41:51 <VVG> !password 13:41:51 <PublicServer> VVG: adored 13:42:05 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 13:42:05 *** Webster sets mode: +o Phazorx 13:42:08 <PublicServer> *** VVG joined the game 13:43:16 <PublicServer> <VVG> Is there some way to see what particular player is building? 13:43:29 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Nope 13:43:36 <PublicServer> <Sepp> not yet 13:43:39 <PublicServer> <Sepp> u can ask 13:43:44 <PublicServer> <Sepp> its not a secret xD 13:44:04 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004ABC3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004ABC3.png 13:44:35 <PublicServer> <VVG> i didn't have anything special in mind, just thought about speccing around 13:45:30 <Yso> you can watch me building around lakes @ MSH03a 13:45:47 <Yso> and i could use help 13:45:51 <PublicServer> <VVG> sign says it will take time :) 13:47:22 <PublicServer> <VVG> pretty big hub there 13:47:50 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 13:48:03 <Yso> i'm not a good hub-builder and those lakes don't make it any easier 13:49:56 <PublicServer> <VVG> those two places look like potential traffic flow blockers to me 13:50:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> there is not enough space for one train to wait, or to have a prio 13:53:45 <Yso> and there is a cl issue as well, you can rebuild it if you like... i'm quite unexperienced 13:55:11 <Yso> i always got problems with joins 13:57:36 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 13:59:06 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00072AE2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00072AE2.png 13:59:42 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I donut see your CL issue, Yso. 14:00:08 <Yso> now it has a sign 14:00:31 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, that one. 14:01:44 <PublicServer> <Mazur> How's that? 14:02:39 <PublicServer> <Yso> much better, but what is an interbalancer ? 14:02:53 <PublicServer> <Mazur> No idea. 14:03:09 <PublicServer> <VVG> :( 14:03:32 <PublicServer> <VVG> that's better? 14:03:39 <PublicServer> <Mazur> And if you want gthe CL issue fully gone, you'd only need to move the second joinever one tile. 14:03:44 <PublicServer> <Vitus> BBH 03 done 14:03:57 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I think it means a balancer within the ML. 14:04:05 <PublicServer> <VVG> exactly 14:04:42 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, Vitus, now remove it and build it again. 14:04:46 <PublicServer> <Mazur> :-P 14:04:49 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Damn you! 14:04:55 <PublicServer> <Mazur> :-)) 14:05:00 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just kidding. 14:05:05 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Do you have your own hub here, Mazur? :P 14:05:13 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nope. 14:05:19 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Then go and built one! 14:05:26 <PublicServer> <Mazur> All your HUBS do belong to me. 14:05:31 <PublicServer> <Mazur> -S 14:05:39 <PublicServer> <Spike> Mazur: Go.. Build... 14:05:44 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Can't. 14:05:44 <PublicServer> <Spike> Do something 14:05:45 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Noes, it's "All your hubs are belong to us" 14:05:45 <PublicServer> <VVG> how do those rectangle prios work? 14:05:46 <PublicServer> <Spike> ;) 14:05:49 <PublicServer> <Spike> yes you can ;) 14:05:51 <PublicServer> <Spike> everyone can ;) 14:06:07 <PublicServer> <Mazur> VVg: Where? 14:06:10 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Don't worry, we can always help you :) 14:06:14 <PublicServer> <VVG> bbh 03 14:06:44 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look, once the train is here: 14:06:50 <PublicServer> <Vitus> It triggers prio 14:06:59 <PublicServer> <Vitus> They would be too short otherwise 14:07:12 <PublicServer> <Spike> VVG: that's what i also wanted to try yesterday when you were struggling with those prios and CL etc 14:07:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> prios? 14:07:26 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes, we have TL5 after all 14:08:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> i think i have to see it in action to get any idea what's happening 14:08:21 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look !here 14:08:25 <PublicServer> <Vitus> You can test it yourself :P 14:08:26 <PublicServer> <VVG> looking 14:08:35 <PublicServer> <VVG> oh 14:08:48 <PublicServer> <VVG> i was looking at plane "here" sign 14:09:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> now staring at !here sign, i'm all eyes and ears 14:09:17 *** perk11 has quit IRC 14:09:27 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Basically, it's the same as: 14:09:40 <PublicServer> <Vitus> But on diagonal 14:09:57 <PublicServer> <VVG> it looks short 14:10:20 <PublicServer> <VVG> eh? 14:10:30 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 14:10:30 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hm? 14:10:30 <PublicServer> <VVG> oh 14:11:15 <PublicServer> <VVG> think i got it 14:11:20 <PublicServer> <Vitus> OK 14:11:24 <PublicServer> <VVG> ty 14:11:45 <PublicServer> <VVG> it just looks way different from standart prio, i got puzzled 14:11:48 <PublicServer> *** Sepp has left the game (leaving) 14:12:13 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Space-saving :P 14:12:14 <PublicServer> <VVG> looks very nice 14:12:32 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Look !here again :) 14:12:35 <PublicServer> <VVG> i don't see you having space problmes :) 14:12:40 <PublicServer> <VVG> watching 14:13:04 <PublicServer> <Vitus> You can basically do prio even like this 14:13:26 <PublicServer> <VVG> very nice 14:14:08 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00000000: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00000000.png 14:14:53 <PublicServer> <VVG> this way you can place a lot of combos on actual line, just alternating them with prio combo line, right? 14:15:04 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes 14:15:38 <PublicServer> <VVG> a neat trick 14:17:07 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Take a look at the example site :P 14:17:10 <PublicServer> <VVG> a real space saver 14:18:48 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 14:21:30 *** X-BT has joined #openttdcoop 14:24:14 <PublicServer> <VVG> @gap 5 14:24:25 <Vitus> @gap 5 14:24:25 <Webster> Vitus: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4. 14:24:36 <VVG> doesn't work from inside the game? 14:24:39 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes 14:27:02 *** learningottd has joined #openttdcoop 14:27:07 <learningottd> !pass 14:27:12 <learningottd> !password 14:27:12 <PublicServer> learningottd: errant 14:27:30 <PublicServer> *** learningottd joined the game 14:28:33 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 14:28:52 *** perk11 has quit IRC 14:29:10 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004971B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004971B.png 14:29:42 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 14:30:06 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 14:38:09 *** heffer has joined #openttdcoop 14:40:02 <V453000> !password 14:40:02 <PublicServer> V453000: impels 14:40:26 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 14:41:23 <PublicServer> <learningottd> your central drop gives me migraine :)( 14:41:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 14:41:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh you are here :) nice 14:41:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> welcome 14:44:13 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004AD1A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004AD1A.png 14:44:13 <PublicServer> <learningottd> thanks 14:45:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> well ... that station is supposed to melt brains :P 14:45:43 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Again? :D 14:46:06 <PublicServer> <learningottd> my brain is melted. it would be confusing even without any of the prio stuff 14:46:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> its not prios :) 14:46:48 <VVG> you are not alone, can't wait to see it in action 14:46:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> just presignals 14:47:52 <PublicServer> <Gnemo> those presignals make it a 2-way Ro-Ro right? 14:47:55 <PublicServer> <Vitus> It's like everything! Prio on overflow with fail-safe terminus :D 14:49:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> fail safe 2 way terminus with overflow on demand giving prio to incoming trains 14:49:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> complete name :D 14:49:56 <PublicServer> <learningottd> or you could just name it asperger station oO 14:50:24 <Vitus> It's FSTWTWOODGPTIT 14:50:39 *** perk111 has joined #openttdcoop 14:51:22 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Oh, Mazur building :) 14:51:35 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Liar. 14:52:16 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Otherwise OK :) 14:52:36 <PublicServer> <Vitus> (I mean those two slow corners :P) 14:53:05 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I was just about to upgrade those bridges, when I discovered I had the wrong default still, when you started on them, Vitus. 14:53:35 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Well, when I came there were like... 3 wooden bridges left 14:54:02 *** Lukeus_Maximus has joined #openttdcoop 14:54:43 <PublicServer> <VVG> how many platforms one line can serve with 230 speed? 14:56:03 <Lukeus_Maximus> !password 14:56:03 <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: embark 14:56:07 *** perk11 has quit IRC 14:56:17 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anyway, I'm stumped on the second joins on either side. 14:56:20 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus joined the game 14:56:24 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 14:58:48 <V453000> !password 14:58:48 <PublicServer> V453000: embark 14:59:07 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 14:59:15 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004A12D: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004A12D.png 15:00:27 <PublicServer> <Mazur> So if anyone wangts to take over ro scratch and restart BBH09, feel free. 15:00:55 <PublicServer> <VVG> Will be a good idea to make a SM DROP like i planned? See Steelmill DROP sign 15:01:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> you need a MSH for it first 15:01:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> which will make you see you want to make the station farther from the ML 15:02:22 *** X-BT has quit IRC 15:02:28 <PublicServer> <VVG> that's the idea, no hub, straight connection, trains return to same side they came from 15:02:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> unacceptable 15:02:38 <PublicServer> <VVG> that's a drop station 15:02:46 *** benom has joined #openttdcoop 15:02:47 <PublicServer> <VVG> why? 15:02:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> because from the ML becomes a drop line :) 15:03:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> which could slow it down, or at least ... make it dirty 15:03:22 <PublicServer> <VVG> well, the ml, that's already there will stay 15:03:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> MSH, then connect station. period :) 15:04:24 <PublicServer> <VVG> :( 15:04:29 *** X-BT has joined #openttdcoop 15:05:02 <PublicServer> <VVG> it looked like a good idea to fit the station on top of those mountains 15:05:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> trust me that with a normal MSH and station you would get into less trouble than direct station 15:05:58 <PublicServer> <VVG> i though, since there will be a lot of trains going into station, there will be plenty of opportunities to return to same side ml branch 15:06:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> well that is nice 15:06:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> but you dont really want to make maximum platforms for every line, and a pickup station for every line 15:07:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> anyways, just make a MSH 15:07:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> as a decisive argument I could arse you "it is in plan" 15:07:42 <PublicServer> <VVG> see idea, what i had in mind 15:07:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 15:07:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> you cant use that 15:07:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> ever 15:08:09 <PublicServer> <VVG> bad idea? 15:08:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 15:08:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> and besides 15:08:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> trains dont return where they came from 15:08:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> they return to the other direction 15:08:37 <PublicServer> <VVG> yes 15:08:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is kinda bad, isnt it 15:08:58 <PublicServer> <VVG> depends on network, i guess 15:09:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> well 15:09:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> only in case it is on 1way loop 15:10:01 <PublicServer> <VVG> doesn't work on 2ways as primary drop point? 15:10:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> wha? 15:10:33 <PublicServer> <VVG> as drop point for primaries 15:10:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> well what is with it 15:11:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> wee 15:11:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> see 15:12:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> the upper path is longer 15:12:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> why would you force it to take taht way 15:12:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> this is much simplier 15:12:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> and more effective 15:12:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> also systematic 15:13:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes? 15:13:17 <PublicServer> <VVG> well yes, i just wanted to have something usefull on top of mountains :) 15:13:33 <PublicServer> <Spike> you still can :) 15:13:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is nice but keep with our networking rules 15:13:44 <PublicServer> <Spike> as long as it isn't bored what i once did.. a train counter :D 15:13:44 <PublicServer> <VVG> i need some other idea 15:14:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> Spike: train counters arent useful 15:14:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 15:14:17 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003D7CA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003D7CA.png 15:15:13 <^Spike^> that's what i said :) 15:15:22 <^Spike^> as long as it isn't bored me with train counters :D 15:15:27 <V453000> :) 15:15:43 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 15:15:59 *** heffer has quit IRC 15:16:32 <PublicServer> <VVG> mhs like 3-1, 4-1, they have to be on outer side, right? 15:16:43 <PublicServer> <VVG> mshs* 15:16:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> any side 15:16:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is just a scheme, sides dont matter 15:17:36 <PublicServer> <VVG> if we take a still mill stations, how many platforms i need for pickup and drop ? 15:17:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on station design 15:18:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> but up to 6 for drop should be enough 15:18:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> for pickup too 15:19:20 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 15:19:51 <Lukeus_Maximus> Sooooooo 15:19:56 <Lukeus_Maximus> who's taking so long 15:19:58 <PublicServer> <Yso> that's one slow client 15:20:03 <Lukeus_Maximus> indeed 15:20:21 <gnemo> my friggin modem is overheating, crap and a half 15:20:25 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 15:20:40 <Lukeus_Maximus> I could get out my electric model trains, set them up and play ttd for real in this time... 15:20:54 *** perk11 has quit IRC 15:21:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> and now tell me I am weird ... 15:21:19 *** Ramsus08191 has joined #openttdcoop 15:21:45 *** perk111 has quit IRC 15:21:55 <PublicServer> <VVG> trains leaveing pickup should have higher priority than trains leaving drop? 15:22:27 <gnemo> sorry about pausing it for so long, the <sarcasm>Perks</sarcasm> of having EVDO internet 15:22:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> mostly yes 15:23:05 *** gnemo has quit IRC 15:24:22 *** devilsadvocate has quit IRC 15:27:09 *** Tmwalrus has quit IRC 15:27:13 <Ramsus08191> !password 15:27:13 <PublicServer> Ramsus08191: teeter 15:27:31 <PublicServer> *** Ramsus08191 joined the game 15:27:38 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello there 15:27:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 15:27:45 <PublicServer> <VVG> hi 15:28:18 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has joined spectators 15:29:19 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003E1CA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003E1CA.png 15:31:52 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 15:33:00 <PublicServer> <VVG> platfroms have to have 5 tiles of tracks before them after the splitter, right? 15:43:38 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 15:44:22 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000421DD: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000421DD.png 15:50:28 <PublicServer> <VVG> ottd needs stations that can be placed on uphils/downhills 15:57:16 <Lukeus_Maximus> SHIT! 15:57:25 <Lukeus_Maximus> I accidentally deleted the FOOD DROP!!!! 15:57:28 <Lukeus_Maximus> fuuuuu 15:57:45 <Yso> n1 15:58:26 <Yso> make it more beautiful this time 15:59:25 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000381D0: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000381D0.png 15:59:54 *** devilsadvocate has joined #openttdcoop 16:01:02 <Lukeus_Maximus> Ok 16:01:05 <Lukeus_Maximus> I put it back 16:01:14 <Lukeus_Maximus> I'm still rebalancing though 16:03:28 <PublicServer> <Spike> may i ask what you're doing to food drop 16:03:39 <PublicServer> <Spike> next to "fixing" it's design 16:04:16 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1 16:04:21 <PublicServer> <Spike> ellow... 16:04:53 <PublicServer> <Spike> who is "fixing" food drop 16:05:02 <Yso> Lukeus_Maximus i think 16:05:08 <PublicServer> <Spike> and why... 16:05:10 <Lukeus_Maximus> good start... 16:05:15 <Lukeus_Maximus> thinking... 16:05:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> why is it being "fixed" 16:05:33 <Yso> he demolished the station :) 16:05:36 <Lukeus_Maximus> hmm 16:05:41 <PublicServer> <Spike> i more meant the whole design 16:05:48 <Lukeus_Maximus> oh, someone said it needed balancing 16:05:54 <PublicServer> <Spike> mhm 16:05:54 <Lukeus_Maximus> the south part at least 16:05:57 <Lukeus_Maximus> so I did 16:05:58 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 16:06:00 <PublicServer> <Spike> and look what i made before the station 16:06:03 <Lukeus_Maximus> or am doing 16:06:04 <PublicServer> <Spike> statiojns 16:06:11 <PublicServer> <Spike> aka !here! 16:06:31 <Lukeus_Maximus> but that's not nearly as intricate and confusing! 16:07:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> i also noted when saying that.. the stations itself don't need balancing just the rail part before it 16:07:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> you're not really balancing that good though... 16:07:59 <Lukeus_Maximus> well 16:08:09 <Lukeus_Maximus> I thought I'd get some practice this way 16:08:21 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 16:08:25 <Lukeus_Maximus> now either I can finish this, or you can put it back the way it was 16:08:30 <PublicServer> <Spike> next to that you also added CL issues 16:08:41 <Lukeus_Maximus> CL is what again... 16:08:48 <^Spike^> @CL 16:08:48 <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Max_Curve_Speed 16:09:38 <Lukeus_Maximus> well that's fixable 16:10:06 <PublicServer> <Spike> but really.. the way the stations was.. the station itself didn't need balancing... 16:10:16 <PublicServer> <Spike> just the entry lines 16:10:27 <Lukeus_Maximus> ok 16:10:29 <Lukeus_Maximus> noted 16:10:49 <Lukeus_Maximus> but seeing as the north one was balanced, I thought I'd do the south one also 16:11:08 <PublicServer> <Spike> next to that.. do you understand why i took TL before the station itself started? 16:11:12 <Lukeus_Maximus> also the balancing is now moved away from a couple of small cross lines 16:11:53 <Lukeus_Maximus> that sentence makes no sense :/ how can you take TL away? 16:12:14 <PublicServer> <Spike> i mean the distance from split to station 16:12:15 <Lukeus_Maximus> explain 16:12:15 <PublicServer> <Spike> was TL 16:12:21 <PublicServer> <Spike> and for the exit the same 16:12:23 <Lukeus_Maximus> yes 16:12:26 <Lukeus_Maximus> slowing room 16:12:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> from station to merge it was TL 16:12:30 <PublicServer> <Spike> mhm 16:12:38 <Lukeus_Maximus> oh right 16:12:39 <Lukeus_Maximus> I see 16:12:43 <PublicServer> <Spike> good.. :) 16:12:59 <Lukeus_Maximus> I'll fix all of this right now then 16:13:11 <Lukeus_Maximus> If you'll let me... 16:13:12 <PublicServer> <Spike> well can also turn it back.. cause balancing twice is a bit too much :) 16:13:29 <Lukeus_Maximus> better than not at all :) 16:13:44 <PublicServer> <Spike> means trains switch to one line.. and then back to the other... 16:13:48 <PublicServer> <Spike> not very efficient right 16:14:07 <V453000> lol :D 16:14:19 <V453000> I rather wanted to tell you to completely de-balance it :D 16:14:25 <V453000> and people come and fullbalance :) 16:14:25 <Lukeus_Maximus> wow that's in depth efficiency monitoring 16:14:28 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003E9B8: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0003E9B8.png 16:14:39 *** gnemonix has joined #openttdcoop 16:14:59 <Lukeus_Maximus> You could do a thesis in this game... 16:15:03 <Lukeus_Maximus> I might just... 16:16:03 <V453000> !password 16:16:03 <PublicServer> V453000: dubbed 16:16:18 <Mazur> Ammler, you can make a huge profit selling your WC final ticket to a Dutchman. 16:16:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> can i revert it back? and want to help? :) 16:16:29 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:16:36 <^Spike^> Ammler has enough dutch ottdc members around him ;) 16:16:40 <^Spike^> i won't buy it though :D 16:16:52 <Lukeus_Maximus> If you insist that you must absolutely undo all that balancing then alright... 16:17:05 <Lukeus_Maximus> but don't say I didn't warn you... 16:17:11 <Ammler> Mazur: I AM NOT GERMAN! 16:17:17 * Lukeus_Maximus scaremongers 16:17:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> Ammler lies 16:17:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> he is german 16:17:33 <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 W done 16:17:36 <Mazur> Didn;t know you'd get angry..... 16:17:39 <Ammler> @kick V453000 germans wouldn kick 16:17:39 *** V453000 was kicked by Webster (germans wouldn kick) 16:17:56 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop 16:17:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o V453000 16:17:58 <V453000> :( 16:18:24 <Vitus> Go go kick war :D 16:18:34 <Ammler> tell XeryusTC, he is Germn 16:18:42 <Lukeus_Maximus> MSH 01 N needs doing... 16:19:00 <V453000> :D 16:19:06 <V453000> XeryusTC will fuck me sideways 16:19:15 * XeryusTC hugs V453000 16:19:20 <Ammler> Vielleicht sollten wir die Sprache ändern. 16:19:23 * V453000 hugs back 16:19:37 <XeryusTC> @kick Germans out of the World Cup 16:19:39 <Ammler> @topic replace GERMAN only 16:20:14 <Ammler> if Spain will win, we are goint to become the technical winners, btw. 16:20:27 <Vitus> lol 16:20:36 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 16:20:41 <Ammler> like it was with Czech and Hockey 16:21:06 <V453000> beer! 16:21:08 <XeryusTC> you can be technical winners, but you still lost the cup ;) 16:21:16 <Ammler> XeryusTC: quite true :-( 16:21:21 <Vitus> Basically, everyone won except the team which actually won :D 16:21:37 <PublicServer> <Spike> it's 5 :) 16:21:41 <Ammler> but we are the only team which won against spain, yet 16:21:43 <PublicServer> <Spike> 5 16:22:01 *** gnemo has quit IRC 16:22:04 <Vitus> You destroyed mah joke :( 16:22:08 <V453000> Switzerland is on football world cup? 16:22:26 <Ammler> V453000: for a VERY short time :-) 16:22:31 <V453000> :-D 16:22:53 <Mazur> Nah, they're only allowed to field a team in the preliminaries, for their morale. 16:22:56 <PublicServer> <Spike> it's a straight piece right :) 16:23:05 <V453000> football sucks. 16:23:06 <V453000> that solves it :) 16:23:08 <PublicServer> <Vitus> VVG, are you here? 16:23:10 <Mazur> Yep. 16:23:22 *** gnemonix has quit IRC 16:23:27 <Lukeus_Maximus> ^Spike^, but the join could havve trains on... 16:23:29 <Lukeus_Maximus> and 16:23:39 <Lukeus_Maximus> I don't know! It just seems wrong... 16:23:50 <Lukeus_Maximus> but I'm not pro, so... 16:23:51 <PublicServer> <Spike> the train isn't gonna stop on the join 16:24:04 <Lukeus_Maximus> good point 16:24:15 <PublicServer> <VVG> Vitus, yes 16:24:20 <PublicServer> <Spike> leave the other ones 16:24:22 <PublicServer> <Spike> saves you time :) 16:24:31 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop 16:25:00 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Just a thing about naming hubs, it's "*space*BBH number" 16:25:13 <PublicServer> <Vitus> No exclamation marks needed :) 16:25:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 16:25:21 <PublicServer> <VVG> those are not my signs :) 16:25:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> these were my notes where what should be 16:25:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> but of course the normal convention should be used 16:25:45 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes, VVG, I know. But when you finish it, you have to change it accordingly 16:26:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> like this? 16:26:24 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Yes 16:27:04 <PublicServer> <VVG> what is 1st space for? 16:27:11 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 16:27:36 <PublicServer> <Vitus> To make sure it's up in the sign list 16:28:43 <PublicServer> <Spike> NO 16:28:46 <PublicServer> <Spike> don't presig that one 16:28:51 <Lukeus_Maximus> ? 16:28:53 <Lukeus_Maximus> why? 16:29:10 <PublicServer> <Spike> Vlongnumber doesn't like it.. and want to see difference with both :) 16:29:15 <PublicServer> <Spike> so this is the perfect way 16:29:22 <Lukeus_Maximus> ok 16:29:30 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000084C8: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000084C8.png 16:29:30 <PublicServer> <VVG> I'll take msh 4-1, if no one minds 16:29:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm? 16:29:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh that 16:29:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> yea 16:29:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> but you need only the first array 16:29:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> 7 platforms is way enough 16:30:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> for 1 line 16:30:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> can I touch? 16:30:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> ..... 16:30:30 <PublicServer> <Spike> you ask me 16:30:37 <PublicServer> <Spike> you think i kick you ass if you do? 16:30:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> yee 16:30:51 <PublicServer> <Spike> nah... 16:30:52 <PublicServer> <Spike> not yet 16:30:54 <PublicServer> <Spike> ;) 16:31:08 <PublicServer> <Spike> why that 16:31:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> i work hard on making it nice looking.. 16:31:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> 1. braking space 16:31:31 <PublicServer> <Spike> and you destroy it in 1 go :) 16:31:35 <PublicServer> <Spike> TL is enough braking space 16:31:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> 2. you dont need the end-tail acceleration 16:31:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> this is TL :) 16:31:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> 4 tiles would work too I think 16:32:03 <PublicServer> <Spike> so.. :) 16:32:08 *** Phazorx has quit IRC 16:32:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> well 16:32:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> you care about the signal 16:32:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> not from the beginning 16:32:17 <PublicServer> <Spike> i don't :) 16:32:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> only after the train is behind the signal, it is safe that it starts slowing down 16:32:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> if it starts slowing down on the ML, it reduces capacity 16:32:57 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 16:33:19 <^Spike^> V453000: 16:33:20 <^Spike^> Showing a RoRo station with 7 dedicated platforms per tracks. Note the breaking and accelerating space 16:33:25 <^Spike^> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:Roro_dedicated_plats.PNG 16:33:36 <^Spike^> TL is 5 incl signal ;) 16:33:42 <^Spike^> you never read the wiki? ;) 16:34:03 <V453000> wiki sucks ... but there is "some braking space" 16:34:06 <V453000> not full braking pace 16:34:08 <V453000> space 16:34:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> usually it is enough 16:34:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> but if 2 trains packed together come, it might not :) 16:35:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> I rather think on my own than read a wiki ;( 16:35:16 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 16:37:19 *** gnemo has quit IRC 16:37:22 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 16:37:22 *** Webster sets mode: +o Phazorx 16:37:49 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 16:39:13 <V453000> biatch 16:39:15 <V453000> !password 16:39:15 <PublicServer> V453000: staffs 16:39:28 <PublicServer> *** Benom joined the game 16:39:44 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:41:38 <PublicServer> *** Benom has left the game (connection lost) 16:44:33 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000635D1: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000635D1.png 16:46:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> who build !here ? 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17:59:45 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004943E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004943E.png 18:00:58 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 18:08:31 *** Train_man has joined #openttdcoop 18:11:54 *** learningottd has quit IRC 18:14:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000611D0: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000611D0.png 18:27:51 *** gnemo has quit IRC 18:29:32 *** Phazorx has left #openttdcoop 18:29:50 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00044C0A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00044C0A.png 18:43:33 *** gnemo has joined #openttdcoop 18:43:56 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> wait wait, I have to finish the join 18:44:15 <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> ok 18:44:39 <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> just doing the ML down SE 18:44:52 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00063DB5: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00063DB5.png 18:44:59 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> yup, but I will have to extend the joining :) 18:45:10 <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> carry on 18:47:28 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus has left the game (leaving) 18:49:49 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> heh, this is my first hub so I have to redo a lot of things.... 18:50:08 <PublicServer> <VVG> and you chose the big one :) 18:50:21 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> of course :D 18:50:43 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> at least I am learning a lot 18:51:48 <PublicServer> <VVG> you've got cl issue there 18:52:09 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> where: 18:52:11 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ? 18:52:17 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 18:52:18 <PublicServer> <VVG> near edge, i placed a sign 18:52:40 <V453000> !password 18:52:40 <PublicServer> V453000: yapped 18:52:57 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:53:08 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> there fixed it 18:53:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> ellow 18:53:12 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> lol 18:53:15 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hi 18:53:16 <PublicServer> <VVG> :) 18:53:25 <PublicServer> <VVG> such a fix is better ) 18:53:29 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 18:53:29 *** Webster sets mode: +o Phazorx 18:54:01 <PublicServer> <VVG> nah 18:54:08 <PublicServer> <VVG> lemme show you 18:54:13 <PublicServer> <VVG> what i had in mind 18:54:17 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ok 18:54:49 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> alright, now its better :) 18:54:54 <PublicServer> <VVG> that was ok 18:55:47 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> thanks! 18:55:56 <PublicServer> <VVG> np 18:59:54 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004B01E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004B01E.png 19:00:47 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:04:46 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> VV, can you give a look and see if my hub is alright now? 19:06:49 <Vitus> !password 19:06:49 <PublicServer> Vitus: cutter 19:07:31 <PublicServer> *** Vitus joined the game 19:07:34 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey 19:07:40 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello 19:08:29 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 19:08:55 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Who was connecting MSH 01 W with central station? 19:11:02 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 19:11:21 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 19:11:32 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 19:13:31 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 19:14:26 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (connection lost) 19:14:56 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004A239: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004A239.png 19:20:24 <PublicServer> <VVG> Ramsus, can't really say, i've never done such big hubs myself. 19:20:58 <PublicServer> <VVG> There is a Vitus' hub on the other side of the map, that should give you a clues, how it should be. 19:21:07 <PublicServer> <Vitus> :) 19:24:40 <VVG> I also don't like building hubds bigger than LL-RR T hub, too much things to take care of 19:24:46 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 19:27:00 <PublicServer> <VVG> I think i messed up MSH 4-1, i missed one of the balancers, and there isn't much space for it, and i have no idea where to put a station now 19:29:58 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00071A5C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00071A5C.png 19:31:12 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has joined company #1 19:31:21 <PublicServer> <Vitus> VVG, what about something like this? 19:32:54 <PublicServer> <Vitus> The terrain is kind of rough, eh 19:33:45 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Where is MSH 3-1? 19:33:58 <PublicServer> <Vitus> I cannot even find the sign for it 19:36:07 <PublicServer> *** Vitus has left the game (leaving) 19:37:49 <VVG> there are signs for bbhs only i think, i never saw any others 19:39:16 <VVG> The part you marked is not the on i'm strugglin with, on the other side i missed one balancer, can't think of a way to fit it in, except for quite some tf. 19:41:16 <VVG> guess it'll take a bit of coffee to solve 19:42:35 *** Train_man has joined #openttdcoop 19:42:44 <Train_man> !players 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 88 (Orange) is VVG, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 36 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 100 (Orange) is Gnemo, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 40 (Orange) is Spike, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 71 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:46 <PublicServer> Train_man: Client 70 (Orange) is Ramsus08191, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 19:42:50 <Train_man> !password 19:42:50 <PublicServer> Train_man: abhors 19:43:43 <PublicServer> *** Train_man joined the game 19:44:20 <PublicServer> <Train_man> hello all 19:44:28 <VVG> hi 19:44:33 <Yso> hi Train_man 19:44:42 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hello 19:45:01 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004922C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004922C.png 19:45:06 <PublicServer> <Train_man> so what's happened today? 19:46:33 <PublicServer> *** VVG has left the game (leaving) 19:56:06 <pugi> <') 19:56:08 <pugi> ( \ 19:56:09 <pugi> X 19:56:21 <V453000> oxo 19:57:48 <PublicServer> <Train_man> hey someone should fix the confusing network plans 19:57:53 <PublicServer> <Train_man> it says L_R 19:58:43 <planetmaker> only the author should fix it. 19:58:44 <V453000> I believe there is noted an exception of center and food, goods 19:59:20 <PublicServer> <Train_man> i don't understand the part of "MSH Spokes are L_R" ? What's that mean? 19:59:50 <V453000> that lines that lead from MSHs for stations like brewery are L_R 20:00:03 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00074DA3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00074DA3.png 20:00:03 <PublicServer> <Train_man> oh i see now 20:00:09 <PublicServer> <Train_man> thanks 20:00:20 <V453000> yw 20:02:16 <XeryusTC> ello 20:02:20 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> Hey 20:02:37 <V453000> hey luv 20:02:44 <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (leaving) 20:04:06 <V453000> !assword 20:04:48 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:04:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 20:04:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 20:05:06 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hi 20:06:35 *** Nego has joined #openttdcoop 20:06:41 <Nego> !password 20:06:41 <PublicServer> Nego: starks 20:06:55 <PublicServer> *** Pjom joined the game 20:08:11 <PublicServer> *** Sepp joined the game 20:08:25 <PublicServer> *** Pjom has left the game (leaving) 20:09:14 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> anyway, enough of ottd for today, bye ppl 20:09:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> bye person 20:09:34 <PublicServer> <Train_man> bye 20:09:34 <PublicServer> *** Ramsus08191 has left the game (leaving) 20:09:39 *** Ramsus08191 has quit IRC 20:09:53 *** Nego has quit IRC 20:13:36 <tneo> Train_man, do read the wiki that explains it very well 20:14:10 <PublicServer> <Train_man> i did 20:14:32 <tneo> then you should know what L__R means 20:14:49 <tneo> hence you didn't I conclude you didn't read 20:15:05 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0004A545: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0004A545.png 20:15:09 <PublicServer> <Train_man> I thought it meant one line going each way? 20:15:09 <planetmaker> :-) 20:16:21 <PublicServer> *** tneo joined the game 20:16:22 <PublicServer> <tneo> lo 20:16:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> hey 20:16:26 <PublicServer> <Train_man> hi 20:17:12 <PublicServer> *** Sepp has left the game (leaving) 20:18:13 <PublicServer> <tneo> bbh10 is nearly in msh01s 20:18:26 <PublicServer> <tneo> how is the ML supposed to go there? 20:18:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> not completely :) 20:18:55 <Vitus> btw, I found out there's no sign for MSH 3-1 20:19:01 <Vitus> At least I think it was 3-1 20:19:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> seems like 4-1 20:19:28 <PublicServer> <tneo> is bbh10 3way V453000? 20:19:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure 20:19:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> like this 20:19:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> ~ 20:20:19 <PublicServer> <tneo> tl 5 , right? 20:20:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> yea 20:20:31 <XeryusTC> !dl win64 20:20:32 <PublicServer> XeryusTC: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r20080/openttd-trunk-r20080-windows-win64.zip 20:20:39 <Vitus> I'll built the rest of MSH 01s, but I have to get dinner first :) Be right back 20:21:11 <XeryusTC> !password 20:21:11 <PublicServer> XeryusTC: dolled 20:21:18 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC joined the game 20:21:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> sideways! :) 20:21:29 <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> wow 20:21:38 <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> complicated plan is complicated 20:21:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is simple 20:21:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is just firs 20:21:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> so there are many thingys :) 20:25:51 *** heffer has joined #openttdcoop 20:25:59 <PublicServer> *** Train_man has left the game (connection lost) 20:26:26 *** J_Darnley has joined #openttdcoop 20:27:03 <J_Darnley> !password 20:27:03 <PublicServer> J_Darnley: dolled 20:28:48 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo has left the game (leaving) 20:29:22 *** Train_man1 has joined #openttdcoop 20:30:07 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00053E42: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00053E42.png 20:31:41 <PublicServer> *** tneo has left the game (connection lost) 20:31:59 <tneo> !password 20:31:59 <PublicServer> tneo: deafer 20:32:10 <PublicServer> *** tneo joined the game 20:33:21 *** Train_man has quit IRC 20:35:25 <PublicServer> <tneo> i'll check back later 20:35:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 20:35:32 <PublicServer> <tneo> too unfocused atm 20:35:58 <PublicServer> *** tneo has left the game (leaving) 20:36:00 <tneo> off 20:36:02 <tneo> cu 20:36:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> cya 20:37:26 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 20:45:04 <V453000> !password 20:45:04 <PublicServer> V453000: deafer 20:45:09 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00075050: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00075050.png 20:45:22 <V453000> !password 20:45:22 <PublicServer> V453000: sludge 20:45:42 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:46:27 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:47:05 <Train_man1> Hey 20:47:49 *** Mitcian has quit IRC 20:48:13 <V453000> @unban Train_man1 20:48:13 *** Webster sets mode: -b Train_man1!~Train_man@cpe-173-172-44-15.tx.res.rr.com 20:48:20 <V453000> try now 20:49:21 *** Phazorx has quit IRC 20:49:41 <planetmaker> eh? 20:50:13 *** devilsadvocate has quit IRC 20:50:37 <V453000> @unban Train_man 20:50:51 <V453000> @unban 76.186.146.77 20:50:53 <V453000> ok 20:50:54 <V453000> :) 20:50:58 <pugi> @invite pugi 20:50:59 <pugi> :D 20:51:16 <V453000> @unbanip 76.186.146.77 20:51:24 <V453000> whatever 20:53:36 <VVG> !players 20:53:38 <PublicServer> VVG: Client 119 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 20:53:38 <PublicServer> VVG: Client 36 (Orange) is Yso, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 20:53:38 <PublicServer> VVG: Client 71 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 20:53:38 <PublicServer> VVG: Client 111 (Orange) is XeryusTC, in company 1 (Coopers #188) 20:53:38 <PublicServer> VVG: Client 113 is J_Darnley, a spectator 20:53:54 *** Train_man1 has quit IRC 20:55:14 *** devilsadvocate has joined #openttdcoop 21:00:11 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00053449: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00053449.png 21:01:43 <VVG> !password 21:01:43 <PublicServer> VVG: weaved 21:01:51 <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game 21:01:55 <PublicServer> *** VVG joined the game 21:02:07 <PublicServer> <Spike> V453000: check the other universe 21:02:26 <V453000> lets get high 21:03:14 <PublicServer> <VVG> ghm, i missed msh spokes are L_R part, only now noticed it. i've been doing MSH 4-1 as LL_RR hub, thinking since it is a steelmill, it will take a lot of trains 21:04:00 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC has left the game (leaving) 21:05:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> Brewery up \o/ 21:07:09 <PublicServer> <VVG> is that an overflow at brewery? 21:07:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> yea 21:07:27 <PublicServer> <Spike> it's V so prob yes 21:07:35 <PublicServer> <VVG> :) 21:07:42 <PublicServer> <Spike> how dare you to doubt him for doing it without overflow ;) 21:08:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is lazy and handy :) 21:09:32 <Vitus> Uh, it took longer than expected, but I'm back :) 21:10:05 <Vitus> !password 21:10:05 <PublicServer> Vitus: weaved 21:10:41 <PublicServer> *** Vitus joined the game 21:11:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> elo 21:11:30 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Hey 21:11:37 <PublicServer> *** puugi joined the game 21:11:38 <PublicServer> <puugi> hi :) 21:11:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> hey 21:11:51 <PublicServer> <puugi> it has been a long time 21:12:17 <PublicServer> <puugi> ah, firs, great :) 21:12:22 <PublicServer> <VVG> What does MSH spokes mean? 21:12:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> line from MSH to station 21:12:55 <PublicServer> <VVG> i've done it wrong, eh 21:13:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes :) 21:13:07 <PublicServer> <VVG> though i can't imagine one lane is enough 21:13:10 *** learningottd has joined #openttdcoop 21:13:18 <learningottd> !password 21:13:18 <PublicServer> learningottd: weaved 21:13:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> just keep it 21:13:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> but make others L_R 21:13:35 <PublicServer> *** learningottd joined the game 21:13:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> heya 21:13:39 <PublicServer> <learningottd> helly 21:13:44 <PublicServer> <learningottd> hellu! 21:13:44 <PublicServer> <VVG> hi 21:14:29 <PublicServer> <VVG> well, it's not finished yet, might as well scratch it. :) 21:14:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw 21:14:54 <PublicServer> <puugi> well, but nothing has changed... we always do v's plan... :D 21:14:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> please use 230+ speed bridges 21:15:13 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000308EE: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000308EE.png 21:16:06 <PublicServer> <VVG> i left them for last, while building just place whichever clicks 21:16:39 *** Train_man1 has joined #openttdcoop 21:16:45 <Train_man1> hi 21:16:56 <Train_man1> !help 21:16:57 <PublicServer> Train_man1: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 21:17:20 *** ^Spike^ sets mode: +b *!*@cpe-173-172-44-15.tx.res.rr.com 21:17:27 *** Train_man1 was kicked by ^Spike^ (Train_man1) 21:22:49 <PublicServer> *** puugi has left the game (leaving) 21:28:21 <PublicServer> <VVG> anyone up for building steelmill station? 21:30:15 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002D8FB: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002D8FB.png 21:31:26 <PublicServer> *** J_Darnley has left the game (leaving) 21:42:25 <PublicServer> *** learningottd has joined company #1 21:44:31 *** Train_man_Work3 has joined #openttdcoop 21:45:18 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002EEE2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/0002EEE2.png 21:45:35 *** Lukeus_Maximus has quit IRC 21:45:48 <^Spike^> *sigh* 21:46:01 *** ^Spike^ sets mode: +b *!*@166.205.11.104 21:46:05 *** Train_man_Work3 was kicked by ^Spike^ (Train_man_Work3) 21:46:29 <PublicServer> <Vitus> What? 21:46:46 <^Spike^> nothing :) 21:46:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> banned people trying to get back 21:47:04 <PublicServer> <Vitus> What was he banned for? 21:47:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> assness 21:47:20 <^Spike^> evading a ban we set some time ago 21:55:06 <PublicServer> *** Yso has left the game (leaving) 21:55:13 *** Yso has quit IRC 21:55:28 <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 N done 21:55:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> :)) 21:55:48 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 21:56:17 <V453000> !password 21:56:17 <PublicServer> V453000: yanked 21:56:31 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:57:35 <PublicServer> <Vitus> V.: I filled in some suggestions for central station name :P 21:59:24 <PublicServer> <Vitus> MSH 01 S tomorrow :P 21:59:31 <PublicServer> <Vitus> Going off, take care and good night! 21:59:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> see you 21:59:44 <PublicServer> *** Vitus has left the game (leaving) 22:00:20 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00056028: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00056028.png 22:00:36 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 22:00:49 <V453000> !password 22:00:49 <PublicServer> V453000: dabbed 22:00:59 *** Vitus has left #openttdcoop 22:01:10 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 22:08:04 <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (leaving) 22:08:15 <PublicServer> <learningottd> how is tf? 22:08:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> as always ... feel free to make it a bit higher but try to keep it low 22:08:40 <PublicServer> <learningottd> yeah sure 22:08:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> or ... if it looks natural, it is ok because nobody notices :) 22:08:50 <PublicServer> <learningottd> ^^ 22:15:22 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00055BB8: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00055BB8.png 22:16:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 22:16:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> good night :) 22:16:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:20:14 <PublicServer> *** VVG has left the game (leaving) 22:20:21 <VVG> good night 22:23:36 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:27:16 <PublicServer> *** learningottd has left the game (connection lost) 22:28:43 <learningottd> !password 22:28:43 <PublicServer> learningottd: unpaid 22:29:01 <PublicServer> *** learningottd joined the game 22:30:24 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000589D2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000589D2.png 22:31:37 <PublicServer> *** Gnemo joined the game 22:32:02 <PublicServer> *** learningottd has left the game (connection lost) 22:32:43 <learningottd> !password 22:32:43 <PublicServer> learningottd: fading 22:33:01 <PublicServer> *** learningottd joined the game 22:38:23 *** Davelister has joined #openttdcoop 22:38:26 <Davelister> hello world 22:38:48 <PublicServer> <learningottd> heey the little red midget 22:45:26 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000553BB: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000553BB.png 22:51:33 *** mixrin has joined #openttdcoop 22:56:59 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 23:00:28 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000557BA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000557BA.png 23:00:31 *** pugi has quit IRC 23:02:46 *** ^Spike^ has quit IRC 23:12:06 <welterde> !password 23:12:06 <PublicServer> welterde: goosed 23:12:22 <PublicServer> *** welterde joined the game 23:15:30 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000555BB: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/000555BB.png 23:18:18 <PublicServer> *** welterde has left the game (leaving) 23:30:33 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00053BB3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00053BB3.png 23:45:25 *** X-BT has quit IRC 23:45:35 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00000000: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/webcam/00000000.png 23:48:25 *** mixrin has quit IRC 23:53:05 <PublicServer> *** learningottd has left the game (leaving) 23:57:05 *** learningottd has quit IRC