Log for #openttdcoop on 7th April 2011:
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02:15:28  <Mark> hiya
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05:08:00  <Sylf> !password
05:08:23  <Sylf> oh.
05:08:45  <Sylf> server's down again
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09:02:53  <Tray> password
09:02:57  <Tray> !password
09:03:16  <Tray> hrm.
09:04:23  <V453000> död atm
09:06:42  <Mazur> Department of Defense?  Why do they need PublicServer?  I thoughrt the draft was abolished, anyway?
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09:06:45  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
09:06:45  <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server ('
09:06:45  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG204 (r22255) | STAGE: Voting | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | English only | You can't edit wiki anymore? visit"
09:06:45  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer
09:06:48  <Chrill> boom
09:06:52  <V453000> there we go :)
09:06:59  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000684A:
09:07:03  <Mazur> Hi, PublicServer.
09:07:11  <planetmaker> well, no one (re)started it :-(
09:07:27  <Mazur> I would not know how to.
09:07:32  <planetmaker> please check whether it's the correct one. Beaujolais Transport?
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09:07:40  <V453000> yarr
09:07:47  <Mazur> Qui.
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09:08:15  <V453000> I am at school so I cannot check whether it is the latest stage of voting though
09:08:26  <Tray> !password
09:08:26  <PublicServer> Tray: cleric
09:08:38  <planetmaker> it's the newest autosave I found ;-)
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09:08:57  <V453000> sure, but when the game is paused most of the time, autosaves can be old easily :)
09:09:13  <Tray> looks good.
09:09:14  <planetmaker> yes, but paused one cannot vote either
09:09:27  <V453000> you can place signs during pause
09:09:43  <planetmaker> hm, yes. Only as spec not
09:09:59  <V453000> :) Tray: what is the score?
09:10:15  <PublicServer> <Tray> 3-0-4-1-1
09:10:21  <V453000> then that is correct :)
09:10:24  <planetmaker> that was the last I remember
09:10:34  <PublicServer> <Tray> cb-lukeus-v-xtc-vinnie
09:11:10  <planetmaker> 22:12h yesterday
09:12:16  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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09:12:25  <planetmaker> hm, server came to live again 1:34h ago...
09:12:41  <planetmaker> and I wonder where our amiable host is
09:12:48  <Mazur> Looks like the right save, 8 votes.
09:12:55  <Mazur> 9, even.
09:13:12  <Mazur> Which is one more than I last remember.
09:13:18  <V453000> hm, we started voting 2 days ago?
09:13:22  <Mazur> Si.
09:13:32  <V453000> gets long again ._.
09:13:58  <Mazur> Well, two "strong" plans...
09:14:05  <Mazur> Or strongly favoured.
09:14:40  <Mazur> I could change my vote, but it would not alter the situation really.
09:15:37  <V453000> lets wait until tonight and see then
09:15:55  <Mazur> Sure.
09:16:13  <Mazur> I'm in no hurry, trying to perfect my sound set up,
09:16:19  <V453000> :)
09:16:29  <Mazur> ANd having a little untraceable problem.
09:16:48  <Mazur> Alsa my wireless will not poll hte dhcp server.
09:17:03  <Mazur> So I'm not bored.
09:17:05  <Mazur> :-)
09:17:16  <V453000> he :)
09:17:54  <Mazur> And yesterday my sound ran perfectly, no idea what I changted since then.
09:17:57  * Mazur weeps.
09:18:05  <Mazur> -t
09:18:06  <V453000> hammer helps
09:19:23  <Mazur> Sledge Hammer?  That was not as much fun as Police Squad.
09:19:58  <V453000> mainly the "smash" part :P
09:20:55  <Mazur> Nah, it'd mean I'd ahve to fork over a lot of money I don't actually have to replace the stuff.
09:21:20  <Mazur> I could rob a bank, but how successfull is that these days....
09:21:48  <V453000> become a politician, easy robberies
09:22:18  <V453000> maybe not from banks, but well
09:22:24  <Mazur> I can;t lie that well.
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09:22:37  <V453000> bad bad :)
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10:43:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: again: ./svn-publicserver/autopilot/bin/ -c
10:43:12  <Ammler> :-P
10:55:29  <Chris_Booth> morning all
10:55:32  <planetmaker> hm, that also loads the autosave, right?
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10:58:05  <Ammler> the loads the last autosave before crash
10:58:22  <Chris_Booth> planetmaker doesn't look like they will get their boat on the stable server but I will donate anyway
10:58:37  <planetmaker> they won't? :-(
10:58:50  <planetmaker> it would be cool also gaming-wise, if they would ;-)
10:59:17  <Chris_Booth> the only make  £10mill with 360 train, with that rate  they would need 9 times as many trains
10:59:33  <Chris_Booth> dont with any one can handle 3k trains
10:59:34  <planetmaker> :-D
10:59:51  <Chris_Booth> but that doesn't factor in better trains
11:00:10  <Chris_Booth> which might make it possible with around 2k trains
11:00:24  <Chris_Booth> not sure what the 'best' NARS2 train is
11:00:24  <planetmaker> still. Better trains may give you 50% more or so, maybe 100%. But...
11:00:37  <planetmaker> ... not 1000%
11:03:15  <Chris_Booth> its a good goal to set them
11:03:22  <Chris_Booth> and a good way to get them to coop
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11:05:32  <Chris_Booth> lol in coop stats I have rejoined more than combuster this month XD
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11:12:19  <planetmaker> simply due to combuster not being here
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11:12:51  <Capeguy> !password
11:12:51  <PublicServer> Capeguy: softly
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12:38:36  <Mazur> Yesssssssssssss.
12:38:38  <Mazur> Nailed it!
12:38:42  <Mazur> Hm, now what is it, that I changed, that makes it work....
12:38:44  * Mazur scratches his head.
12:41:47  <Mazur> Ayep.
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13:51:57  <Chris_Booth> Mazur who have you nails?
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14:24:00  <Chris_Booth> Mazur who have you nailed?
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14:35:02  <V453000> !password
14:35:02  <PublicServer> V453000: softly
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15:39:43  <Lukeus_Maximus> we entering building soon?
15:43:29  <planetmaker> yeah...
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16:09:49  <xineohp> when exactly is soon?
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16:10:35  <phoenix_> !password
16:10:35  <PublicServer> phoenix_: sagger
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16:15:43  <planetmaker> this evening :-)
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16:15:54  <planetmaker> I guess V453000 needs to be around as his plan seems to be the winner currently
16:16:05  <phoenix_> hm
16:21:39  <V453000> am I not ? :p
16:22:18  <planetmaker> well :-)
16:23:57  <V453000> we could start right away I suppose ..
16:25:30  <V453000> !password
16:25:30  <PublicServer> V453000: laurel
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16:28:20  <V453000> pm: care to grasp your master winner declarer role? :)
16:28:39  <planetmaker> oh noooo! V453000 won! Again!
16:28:57  <planetmaker> Now go and build the best plan on the map ;-)
16:29:17  <V453000> hm, I guess that does it :D
16:29:42  <planetmaker> @stage Building
16:29:42  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG204 (r22255) | STAGE: Building | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | English only | You can't edit wiki anymore? visit"
16:29:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will sign you under the declaration as usual :p
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16:30:02  <V453000> !password
16:30:02  <PublicServer> V453000: laurel
16:30:12  <planetmaker> :-P where is this declaration done other than here?
16:30:14  <Lukeus_Maximus> greeeeeeat
16:30:39  <V453000> under the voting board
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16:30:50  <planetmaker> ah. Never noticed that ;-)
16:30:53  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
16:30:56  <V453000> :p
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16:31:10  * planetmaker senses document fraud :-P
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16:31:23  <V453000> :D
16:32:01  <V453000> @tweet PSG204 Building stage starts right now!
16:32:03  <Webster> V453000: The operation succeeded.
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16:33:40  <Webster> 1 new tweet(s): openttdcoop PSG204 Building stage starts right now! ^V4, 1 minute ago via SupyTweet. (56031486641573888)
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16:37:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000BD15:
16:44:42  <phoenix_> V453000: how do you plan to collect the oil? per ship?
16:44:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains of course
16:45:28  <PublicServer> <phoenix> can you get close enough?
16:45:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure, no problem
16:45:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> just terraform little islands
16:45:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> does not need much
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16:46:38  <Benny> Hmm, how did this go again..
16:46:38  <Benny> !revision
16:46:38  <PublicServer> Benny: Game version is r22255
16:46:46  <Benny> Ah.
16:47:05  <Benny> !players
16:47:08  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 22 (Orange) is phoenix, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
16:47:08  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 15 is Mazur, a spectator
16:47:08  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 32 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
16:48:02  <phoenix_> V453000: so the water in your plan is part of the primary network?
16:48:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
16:48:31  <phoenix_> hm, i'm confused
16:48:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, the primary network needs to connect the other primaries somehow, through SLHs
16:49:01  <Benny> !revision
16:49:01  <PublicServer> Benny: Game version is r22255
16:49:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> so, the same way an oil rig is connected
16:49:49  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, ok, so that is not explicitly planed yet
16:49:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, basically not
16:50:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am building the central BBH now, so we could build the other four around it next :)
16:50:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> feel free to lay down the primary ML and/or have a go on a drop station :)
16:51:29  <phoenix_> ok, but keep in mind that im new to this coop style building
16:51:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> how else do you learn than trying ;)
16:51:46  <Benny> !password
16:51:46  <PublicServer> Benny: rebuff
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16:51:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :)
16:52:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000A114:
16:52:11  <Benny> Yup, don't wanna know how much stuff I've screwed up around here.. >_>
16:52:37  <Benny> Er
16:52:45  <Benny> How do I move the toolbar thingy to the middle again?
16:53:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is somewhere in the advanced settings,I assume in the interface tab
16:53:27  <Benny> Ah, yes. Thanks.
16:53:49  <PublicServer> <Benny> Ooh, small map. I like that. I like that a lot.
17:00:14  <phoenix_> what does the "pax" in the secondary net stand for?
17:00:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> passengers
17:00:29  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
17:01:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> alright, BBH 01 is there
17:02:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> looks interessting
17:02:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is balanced basically
17:02:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> you do not need to balance all lines always
17:02:58  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh.
17:03:05  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
17:03:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are 2 lines which choose among the other lines, and 2 that just pass by
17:03:43  <PublicServer> <Benny> I see.
17:04:46  <PublicServer> <phoenix> could you place some markers where the other hubs should be?
17:04:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> just about to do that in the next minute
17:05:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> needed the center first :p
17:05:04  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ^
17:06:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> there
17:07:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00018D1A:
17:08:22  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oil drop, how many platforms? Think I'd like to give it a shot, even though I'm quite rusty these days. :)
17:08:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on station design
17:08:55  <PublicServer> <Benny> Was thinking maybe roro all to all?
17:09:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> depends ...
17:09:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> just build it and see later :)
17:09:57  <PublicServer> <Benny> Okay :)
17:11:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> 8 seems good to me :)
17:11:41  <PublicServer> <Benny> :)
17:13:16  <Chris_Booth> building
17:13:24  <Chris_Booth> I guess you won then V453000
17:13:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
17:13:33  <PublicServer> <Benny> Hey Chris!
17:13:45  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game
17:13:51  <Chris_Booth> not bennythenoob
17:14:05  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yes it is.
17:14:07  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you won bye one vote?
17:14:19  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> when only 9 people votes?
17:14:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> no votes added in 24 hours and I guess pm could have changed his vote since he declared it
17:14:33  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I would have left it until friday
17:15:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> can't play now ayway
17:15:12  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but don't build it all
17:15:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I will be back
17:15:46  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (connection lost)
17:15:58  <Chris_Booth> hi Benny and bye bye all
17:16:03  <Chris_Booth> will be back tomorrow
17:16:18  <PublicServer> <Benny> Heh, bye.
17:22:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001B91B:
17:25:06  <planetmaker> ho ho, long time no see, Benny :-)
17:25:24  <PublicServer> <Benny> Haha, hello pm. ;)
17:25:34  <SmatZ> hello noob :P
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17:25:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
17:25:47  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah yeah :P
17:25:50  <SmatZ> :-)
17:27:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Looks nice, V.
17:27:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p.
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17:29:03  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> helllo
17:29:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi beer :)
17:29:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> MatZ.
17:29:17  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello V453000 and Mazur :)
17:29:37  * Mazur is not here, he's making and eating dinner.
17:29:43  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> yum
17:29:57  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> ohh
17:30:04  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> I missed the voting stage :(
17:30:26  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hmm there is some empty sign
17:32:58  <PublicServer> <Benny> I'm not too proud of my oil drop. I suspect I may have chosen a stupid place to built it at.
17:33:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> very curious how will you signal that
17:33:45  <PublicServer> <Benny> Why? Any problems?
17:33:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> just do it, we will see :)
17:34:34  <PublicServer> <Benny> Do we still hate PBS or what?
17:34:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, unless there is a good reason for it, we do
17:35:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> Then I'm in deep shit here.
17:35:21  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :D
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17:35:44  <PublicServer> <Benny> ..yeah no this won't work.
17:35:46  <PublicServer> <Benny> at all
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17:37:16  <PublicServer> <phoenix> V: is that what you are building the drop or the two pickups or somehow all three stations?
17:37:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> well ... you could use a PBS, but there is no reason for it and to be hones, it will not work too well even with PBS
17:37:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, phoenix
17:37:36  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
17:37:49  <PublicServer> <Benny> I'll just try to start over.
17:39:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> feel free to use the PBS, but it has to help somehow in that situation
17:40:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> in other words, just do whatever you see fit :
17:40:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
17:40:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> can always be fixed
17:40:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> is the pax net gonna be  LL3RR also?
17:41:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> no, start with L_R and improve later
17:41:18  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
17:41:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> sorry, didnt say :)
17:42:26  <Sylf> !password
17:42:26  <PublicServer> Sylf: nooses
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17:43:12  <V453000> hello there :)
17:43:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ello
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17:50:41  <Modi> !password
17:50:41  <PublicServer> Modi: nooses
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17:51:00  <SmatZ> noses!
17:51:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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17:52:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> :P
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17:57:06  <Vinnie_nl> !password
17:57:06  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: thorns
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17:57:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
17:57:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
17:58:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> your the only one building
17:58:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, join me then :D
17:58:57  <PublicServer> <Benny> I'm building.
17:59:05  <PublicServer> <phoenix> me too
17:59:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> see? :)
17:59:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: might be nice to make the pax line run through !this
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18:00:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> massive tf overkill
18:00:36  <PublicServer> <phoenix> how do I search a sign?
18:00:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> whoever is building Beziers heights
18:00:56  <PublicServer> <Benny> I am
18:00:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> keep the minimap button pressed
18:01:02  <PublicServer> <Benny> Trying to clean up my TFing
18:01:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then lowest option
18:01:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> What do you mean
18:01:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> suggestion, dont try to clean it up, it looks terrible now :)
18:01:28  <PublicServer> <Benny> Crap
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18:01:42  <PublicServer> <Benny> With trees on it looks ok
18:01:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> everything looks ok with trees
18:02:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> Good point.
18:02:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> V you missed soome pprio's for mergers BBH 01 on purpose?
18:02:46  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> prio's
18:02:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> did I?
18:03:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont think so
18:03:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> To East and west
18:04:11  <PublicServer> <phoenix> how long must a diagonal track be, so that a TL3 + signals fit on it?
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18:07:49  <PublicServer> <Benny> V, any complaints on the oil drop now?
18:07:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> you will need waiting bays
18:07:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PAX also LL_RR?
18:08:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> Vinnie: L_R
18:08:26  <PublicServer> <Benny> After the X'es?
18:08:42  <PublicServer> <Benny> oh
18:08:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> a train needs to fit there
18:09:02  <PublicServer> <Benny> Well okay then. :)
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18:13:12  <PublicServer> <Benny> Like so.
18:13:55  <PublicServer> <Benny> Hah
18:13:57  <PublicServer> <Benny> Im an idiot
18:14:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> btw that is me not V
18:14:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> wha?
18:14:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i am signing his work
18:14:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> ah
18:14:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PAX BBH 03 done
18:14:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
18:15:51  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> need some help phoenix?
18:16:32  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, im propably going to copy you ...
18:16:41  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> nah i can teach you
18:16:45  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> teatch
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18:16:50  <PublicServer> <Benny> teach*
18:16:56  <Tussengas> Hey
18:16:58  <Tussengas> !password
18:16:58  <PublicServer> Tussengas: scopes
18:17:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
18:17:09  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok, thx, please do so
18:17:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i will make an other one and tell you all the steps i make
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18:17:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> hello Tussengas :)
18:17:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then you can repeat for your BBH
18:17:43  <PublicServer> <Benny> I need someones opinion on normal signals vs presignals. V?
18:17:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> what
18:17:59  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oil drop
18:18:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> So im gonna make BBH 04
18:18:15  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> first i lay the connections that enter BBH
18:18:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> it houldnt cause a bottleneck becaue there are 2 such gaps
18:19:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you see phoenix?
18:19:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yes
18:19:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> there
18:19:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then i make the easy straigt connection
18:19:28  <PublicServer> <Benny> Hmm, okay
18:19:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> outer line only
18:19:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this connection needs an exit to the NW
18:20:06  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that is the next step
18:20:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> also from NW it needs a join
18:20:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we always build the joins after a split
18:20:45  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> where are u building?
18:20:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Pax BBH 04
18:21:24  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but as you can see now the left and right hand drive is reversed
18:21:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so one line needs to cross the other
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18:22:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> something like that
18:22:50  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> how long will the trains be this game?
18:22:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> 3
18:22:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now we connect the last straight line
18:22:59  <Chris_Booth> read the plan
18:23:30  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> Sorry chris for missing the vote, otherwise you also would have 4 votes :p
18:24:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now the last two connections
18:24:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> from the new straight line to the split
18:24:26  <Chris_Booth> aaah that make my rant earlier vaild even more :D
18:24:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> we could have also waited for your grandmother to come vote :)
18:24:51  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> :)
18:25:26  <Chris_Booth> my grandmother would hav evoted for you V453000
18:25:29  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and it is done
18:25:30  <Chris_Booth> she hates me XD
18:25:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> all connections
18:25:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
18:25:45  <PublicServer> <phoenix> isn't that second last diagonal track you made to short?
18:26:02  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> building a hub for 1 lane isnt really a  problem... when its  3R 3L it starts to suck :p
18:26:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> a sign plz
18:26:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> define starts to suck :P
18:26:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i know tussengas but this is the basic
18:26:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no it is 3 tiles long
18:26:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> drag a track over it it will say 3
18:27:29  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I:p
18:27:56  <PublicServer> <phoenix> if the signal is red the straight track is blocked
18:28:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> we want waiting bays behind main line drops?
18:28:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes
18:28:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> Benny: optionally, but not required
18:28:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but for it to be red it would take a ml jam
18:28:22  <PublicServer> <phoenix> or does that  not happen bc of the doubled tunnel
18:28:32  <PublicServer> <Benny> I have the space for it, is it preferreable?
18:28:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> indeed the double bridge does that
18:28:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is faster, but I think you have so many platforms already that it is totally fine this way
18:28:51  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
18:29:02  <PublicServer> <Benny> okay then
18:29:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now you can make yours and i will watch
18:29:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> in other words, the bays would not help anyhow :)
18:29:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you can ask me anything then :)
18:29:32  <PublicServer> <phoenix> give me a few minutes i'm eating atm
18:30:37  <PublicServer> <Benny> And there we go, oil drop finished. Now we need a pickup.
18:30:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
18:31:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm, we should decide which TGV to use
18:32:23  <PublicServer> <Benny> The fastest one?
18:32:31  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> the slowest one?
18:32:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am actually considering the POS, since it has so much power
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18:32:41  <PublicServer> <Benny> TL3 doesn't require much power though.
18:32:43  <V453000> !password
18:32:44  <PublicServer> V453000: teaing
18:33:02  <V453000> try duplex ..
18:33:21  <PublicServer> <Benny> duplex?
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18:33:38  <V453000> the 300kmh pax tgv
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18:38:03  <V453000> !password
18:38:03  <PublicServer> V453000: peeves
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18:38:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> Duplex it i :)
18:38:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is
18:38:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> opinions, thoughts? :)
18:42:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PBS :(
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18:45:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> Vinnie: see how linesc merge in BBH01 and you might see why :)
18:46:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> is that a proven concept?
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18:46:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> I used it many times and it seems to work better than expected
18:47:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> rather tell me why
18:47:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
18:48:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...why would I put a prio there
18:49:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> when two lines merge without prio. it switches lines for each train. This might backfire in a jam to the SE
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18:50:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> switches lines i mean stop one go the other and stop that line and switch to the other line
18:50:16  <V453000> well, maybe, but where would you put the prio then :)
18:50:24  <V453000> !password
18:50:24  <PublicServer> V453000: peeves
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18:52:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, theoretically yes
18:52:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> but that could just stop the line on the right too much
18:52:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> easily, since there are 2 sources coming into the pripo
18:52:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it all depends on the traffic
18:52:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> prio
18:52:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> I believe this is fine tbh
18:53:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> its new for me so i have questions :)
18:53:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> which is good
18:54:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> phoenix: use signals when you build. you might see a wrong connection
18:54:59  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
18:57:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> Benny: drop does not need to be balanced always, but pickup does
18:57:25  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh snap.
18:57:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> or ... it is very preferable
18:58:07  <PublicServer> <Benny> The exit I suppose?
18:58:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> pickup entry
18:58:22  <PublicServer> <Benny> ...What?
18:58:31  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh, right
18:58:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> because balancing lets you use maximum amount of platforms as waiting spaces in case there is more trains than demand
18:58:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> drop just does not care, just drop the stuff, not jam, done, balancing is optional
18:59:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah, and pickup trains spend longer time in the station, right?
18:59:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure
19:05:02  <XeryusTC> ideally not, but since managing that is very impractical you just add a couple of extra trains so there is always at least one train picking up cargo
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19:20:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> thx
19:20:38  <PublicServer> <Benny> now signals ;)
19:20:49  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it looks good indeed
19:20:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i only see 2.5 flaws
19:21:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> first one is expained here
19:21:50  <PublicServer> <Benny> I don't see the other one.
19:22:02  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> second flaw is a CL
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19:22:22  <PublicServer> <phoenix> CL?
19:22:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the 0.5 flaw is that he has to use a PBS split instead of presignals
19:22:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Curvelength
19:23:47  <PublicServer> <Benny> You sure, Vinnie?
19:23:55  <PublicServer> <Benny> About the CL?
19:24:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> indeed
19:24:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ahh s bend
19:24:11  <PublicServer> <Benny> I thought S-bends didn't slow trains down?
19:24:17  <PublicServer> <phoenix> the straight  part is only 2 long
19:24:29  <PublicServer> <phoenix> for the right turn
19:24:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no you are right
19:25:31  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> magic dozer
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19:29:27  <V453000> laters
19:29:32  <PublicServer> <Benny> Wait, a TL3 or TL4 train won't slow down at a CL2 S-bend, but a TF5 will.
19:29:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
19:29:40  <PublicServer> <Benny> See ya around, V.
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19:38:59  <PublicServer> <Benny> You building, phoenix?
19:39:17  <PublicServer> <phoenix> thinking about signals
19:39:39  <PublicServer> <Benny> The splits should have normal signals.
19:39:46  <PublicServer> <phoenix> all of them?
19:39:52  <PublicServer> <Benny> Double tunnels/bridges, presignals.
19:39:52  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yes.
19:39:58  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok
19:40:36  <PublicServer> <Benny> Normal except where I've put signs up. :)
19:42:57  <PublicServer> <Benny> Tip, in case you didn't know. If you want to signal a stretch with turns on it with one click, you can click, drag and release while holding Ctrl, if that made any sense to you.
19:43:54  <PublicServer> <phoenix> huh
19:44:34  <PublicServer> <phoenix> nice feature
19:44:44  <PublicServer> <Benny> :)
19:46:09  <PublicServer> <Benny> It will stop at any signal, or track split/join/crossing.
19:46:32  <PublicServer> <Benny> Look.
19:47:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> and if iI leave a signal
19:48:16  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
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19:55:27  <PublicServer> <Benny> Gotta go now, server will pause when I leave.
19:55:37  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok
19:55:39  <PublicServer> <Benny> If you wanna do something, do it quick ^^
19:56:02  <PublicServer> <phoenix> just some signals
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19:57:09  <PublicServer> <Benny> Mazur joined so its k, goodnight. :)
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19:57:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> n8
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19:58:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, het forgot the oil pickup, or to leave notred how he planned it.
19:58:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oild goods pickup,that is.
20:03:39  <PublicServer> <phoenix> true
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20:07:09  <V453000> !password
20:07:09  <PublicServer> V453000: holdup
20:07:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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20:12:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Pax network is just L_R?
20:12:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yep
20:12:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> k
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20:20:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Evenight.
20:22:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00007D49:
20:30:24  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
20:30:24  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: torsos
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20:31:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> lo luke
20:33:23  <Lukeus_Maximus> lo
20:33:31  <Lukeus_Maximus> did V453000 get trolled by a factory?
20:35:35  <PublicServer> <notch> Mazur: I think you should upgrade it to electric
20:35:41  <Lukeus_Maximus> what are the terraforming rules?
20:35:55  <Lukeus_Maximus> low?
20:36:24  <Lukeus_Maximus> notch, I can't believe you're actually Notch
20:36:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> notch, the whole network will become a different railtype before commission.
20:36:46  <notch> im also notch, but not the one
20:36:51  <notch> ok
20:37:06  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The pax one, at least.
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20:39:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, I see, most used failed in this instance.
20:40:08  <PublicServer> <phoenix> the oil goods pickup is still missing
20:40:23  <PublicServer> <phoenix> where will you place it?
20:41:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Beside the oil drop, naturally.  So that the refinary can cover both drop and pickup.
20:42:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well thats clear .. but i cant see how to place a second big station + refinery there
20:43:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nor I, to  be Frank.
20:43:39  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ^^
20:44:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Maybe Benny even thought 6 plstforms of each was enough.
20:44:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Adn eh only forgot to split the station.
20:47:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> V used 16 platforms for two drops, that would suggest to use 8 here ... not 12
20:48:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Indeed.
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20:53:05  <PublicServer> <phoenix> I have a question about the third big station: it says on the plan "factory + coal drop"
20:53:34  <PublicServer> <phoenix> that would mean it's a 4 goods drop isn't it?
20:54:12  <Lukeus_Maximus> the cross before the platform at roro stations... path signals or presignals
20:54:14  <Lukeus_Maximus> ?
20:54:36  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
20:54:50  <Lukeus_Maximus> I reckon path because that is efficiency++
20:54:54  <Lukeus_Maximus> but
20:54:57  <Lukeus_Maximus> am I right
20:55:35  <PublicServer> <phoenix> if you use path signals you won't need the last straight track
20:55:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, for drop there is no need to distinguish platforms.  But 4 goods, I think.
20:56:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So uou might indeed plan for more than 8 platforms, so that we can expand when it becomes necessary.
20:57:33  <PublicServer> <phoenix> what I meant before: if it is a 4 goods drop that would sugest double the size of the  station on the right
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20:58:44  <PublicServer> <phoenix> which would be 32 platforms ... that seems a bit overkill
20:59:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not sure, 12 might be enough to start with, but think of leaving room for easy expansion.
20:59:22  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
21:01:52  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Might even be more balanced to drop Coal at the Iron/Wood drop, but as the plan now is, it goes west.
21:02:10  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yep
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21:08:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> is it posible to rotate the building when placing a new industie?
21:09:35  <PublicServer> <Mazur> MNo, industries have a specific orientation.
21:11:39  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, have a look at sign !here, there are to factories with different/rotated layout/groundcoverage
21:12:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, placed by the system, as a rtain director you don;t have that luxury, I think.
21:12:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok
21:13:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Why?
21:14:23  <PublicServer> <phoenix> have a look now
21:14:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, that would be nice.
21:15:06  <PublicServer> <Mazur> But there are two more tilwes for the factory, so no worries, eh?
21:15:43  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, yes
21:16:12  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you planned for RoRo....
21:16:42  <PublicServer> <phoenix> but i think V misscalculated on his design in the East.
21:17:14  <PublicServer> <Mazur> But the factory can be to one side or the other.  As long as the pickup can be reasonably near, might even be walked a bit.
21:17:45  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, true
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21:19:49  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Think of it like this:  build a station as the network plan dictates, and V453000 might even be impressed with your work.
21:20:00  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hehe
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21:20:51  <PublicServer> <phoenix> do you want to build it? im not sure if I can manage it
21:21:04  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not particularly.
21:21:12  <PublicServer> <phoenix> lol
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21:22:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> As I have no vision of it, either, and the last few drops/pickups I build were not all that favourably commented upon.
21:22:44  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
21:23:02  <PublicServer> <phoenix> I would have copied V design
21:23:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> They _were_ not that well build, so it was fair dos.
21:23:35  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
21:23:58  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, well, originality is always hoped for.
21:24:21  <PublicServer> <phoenix> :)
21:24:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> As long as it works.
21:25:12  <PublicServer> <Mazur> With which I only mean: originality which cannot work does not count, of course.
21:25:26  <PublicServer> <phoenix> lol
21:27:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Something along hte lines of Bennys oil drop would work, too, as long as you plan for a pickup, as well.
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21:28:39  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yeah, but the position is of a terminal-type one, is it not?
21:29:15  <PublicServer> <Mazur> How you build hte station is up to the builder, if you prefer a RoRo, build a Roro, better throughput anyway.
21:29:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just connect the exit back to the direction the trains came from.
21:30:29  <PublicServer> <phoenix> I think the terminalstation with dedicated in and out tracks is up to par
21:30:44  <PublicServer> <phoenix> to a RoRo one
21:30:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Btw, you can shoren the platforms one tile.
21:30:49  <PublicServer> <Mazur> shorten.
21:30:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> TL3.
21:30:55  <Ramsus08191> !password
21:30:55  <PublicServer> Ramsus08191: smugly
21:30:56  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hu, true
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21:31:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> RamSteinn!
21:31:32  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> Hello!
21:31:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> We're at !factory, coal drop
21:32:01  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hmm cool, small map :)
21:32:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> phoenix building, but a tad stumped.
21:32:27  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> mark style terminus?
21:32:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And I'm not the ideal candidate to buidl it, I think.
21:32:52  <PublicServer> <Mazur> MIght be a RoRo, as well.
21:33:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, well, i think i will try a terminal one
21:33:17  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> I like terminus more :), atlthough RORO can be more efficient
21:33:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> terminus ... thats what i meant
21:33:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, here's your chance, I think.
21:33:45  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> also, at the other end of a terminus you can place a overflow
21:33:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless phoenixis still building it./
21:34:21  <PublicServer> <phoenix> if you want it say so, else i will try
21:35:07  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, Ram?
21:35:13  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hm?
21:35:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Would you like to build it?
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21:36:06  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> you can build it :), soon I gotta go, I have to write a document until 23:59:59h
21:36:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> But I have no ideas.
21:37:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, good luck thats less then 25 min (on my clock anyways)
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21:37:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Here, as well.
21:37:19  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> I still have 5:30 hours :)
21:37:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Huh, Merkin.
21:37:39  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok, thats more fortunate
21:37:57  <PublicServer> <Mazur> No, 5 hours, that one zone nearer than the USA.
21:38:07  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> -3 GMT Brazil
21:38:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Greenland?
21:38:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah.
21:38:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nice.
21:38:23  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> :)
21:38:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Lovely beaches.
21:42:48  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> or something on those lines.... Terminus+Overflow
21:44:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> There are 4 types of stuff dropping here.
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21:45:32  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So I thought, perhaps 12 platforms to start with, leaving room for easy expansion?
21:45:54  <PublicServer> <phoenix> sounds good
21:47:03  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> add lots of tunnels and it will be cool
21:49:41  <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ok, I better stop procrastinating and do my work, if I got time, I will be back, c ya guys
21:49:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> cu
21:49:58  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, see ya.  And have fnu!
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22:28:03  <V453000> !password
22:28:03  <PublicServer> V453000: robbed
22:28:12  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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22:28:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
22:28:48  <phoenix_> hey
22:29:22  <phoenix_> !password
22:29:22  <PublicServer> phoenix_: robbed
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22:30:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw I knew about the factory, I am just waiting for it to die :)  Iwill build the rest of the station though, the 4 platforms will probably not be required in the next dozens of years anyway
22:31:40  <phoenix_> we were not sure where you planed to place the 2 industries
22:32:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, since there is not a single SLH yet, they are not needed either :)
22:32:34  <phoenix_> true, but one should reserve the space
22:32:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm, I reserved "some" :(
22:32:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:34:31  <phoenix_> I hope u don't mean the 2x2 space in the middle of the station :P that was my first thought, and well, there is no industy that small ;)
22:34:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
22:34:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> anywhere around, there will be some additional candy, so we will see :)
22:35:05  <phoenix_> k
22:36:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> what were you trying at the factory? :) I think there is some nice idea
22:37:09  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00012430:
22:38:26  <PublicServer> <phoenix> I was trying to find an other terminus style layout (also with dedicated in/out tracks, but more easily expandable)
22:38:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> I see :)
22:39:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:39:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> happens
22:41:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> just build a normal terminus or whatever else if you want ;)
22:41:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> the dedicated lines are just an extra
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22:41:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> not required by any means at all
22:42:16  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, but they do speed things up, don't they?
22:42:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, kind of
22:43:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> they create direct paths to platforms, yes, but as long as you provide sufficient amount of "crossed" platforms, it works as well
22:43:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> to say it simply: every station design works, a lot of station building is sheerly style, fun and making it interesting
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22:47:16  <Mazur> !password
22:47:16  <PublicServer> Mazur: culled
22:47:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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22:47:30  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hi.
22:47:36  <phoenix_> hey
22:48:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Still struggling with the factory/coal drop, phoenix?
22:49:08  <phoenix_> ah, not at the moment
22:49:47  <phoenix_> im running a second game and experiment with terminus style stations
22:50:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, cool.
22:50:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:51:01  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I was trying to switch to wireless connection, but it can;t find hte fsking router after it got sent a DHPACK and connected to that.
22:51:57  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Even when the dedaultroute is pointing right through it.
22:52:09  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000E62B:
22:52:33  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So I'm back to wired for now, I'll struggle further with it tomorrow.
22:53:50  <phoenix_> what OS are u using?
22:54:26  <Mazur> Linux.
22:54:54  <phoenix_> ah, well, cant help u with that :(
22:55:07  <Mazur> Fedora distribution.
22:55:25  <Mazur> No, helping with these things used to be _my_ job.
22:55:35  <Mazur> Though not networks, alas.
22:55:40  <phoenix_> ^^
22:55:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
22:55:44  <Mazur> I'll figure it.
22:56:26  <Mazur> FIxed my sound, as well, today.
22:56:39  <Mazur> jack+pulseaudio.
22:58:14  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, no comments at my hub.  Must have done not too bad, then.
22:58:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
22:58:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> its fine.
22:59:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Struggled a bit there, as I wanted T as little as possible.
22:59:28  <PublicServer> <Mazur> +F
23:01:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is an interesting ... feature of 2cc set ... you can refit the silo wagon to oil, but not back to grain :D
23:01:30  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Grain is apparently not a refit option for the thing.
23:01:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, see train 3
23:01:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> and what it carries :)
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23:21:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> doing something? :)
23:21:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh, we are 3 :)
23:21:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> gnight
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23:31:07  <Sylf> !password
23:31:07  <PublicServer> Sylf: damped
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23:31:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hey, Sylk.
23:31:44  <PublicServer> <Sylf> evening
23:32:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> 't Is deepest, darkest night, already.
23:32:30  <PublicServer> <Sylf> not here :p
23:32:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> As you can see, we've already build a bit of the backbone network.
23:34:05  <PublicServer> <Sylf> jee, I wonder who built the wood drop
23:34:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not directly obvious, is it.
23:34:48  <PublicServer> <Sylf> not at all :p
23:35:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I like it, though.
23:37:10  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00010C2E:
23:42:47  <PublicServer> <Sylf> hmm, I don't see much to be done right now...
23:43:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you want to build the factory/coal drop.
23:43:33  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And its pickup.
23:43:33  <PublicServer> <Sylf> It looks like very early stage of WIP
23:44:00  <PublicServer> <Sylf> it looks like some kind of terminus roro
23:44:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, phoenix looked at it and could not find a nice way to build it, and I had no ideas.
23:44:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> phoenix is now experimenting in a second game wioth termini.
23:45:11  <PublicServer> <Sylf> Oil pickup looks bleh
23:45:37  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but that's already highlighted
23:46:01  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, Benny had only build the drop and not left much room.
23:46:16  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but still...
23:46:54  <PublicServer> <Sylf> that exit needs better balancing anyway
23:47:58  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, I was not going to touch that area.
23:48:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I can at least touch this part without "harming" the stations
23:52:10  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001AEF5:
23:52:21  <Chris_Booth> bonjour mon amigos
23:52:37  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Chrissy, hi!
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23:52:54  <PublicServer> <Sylf> buon giorno
23:52:57  <PublicServer> <Sylf> or whatevar
23:53:07  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol
23:53:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bonbon.
23:53:39  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I get a feeling the steel and wood area has 1 of 2 thing
23:53:43  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> to many plaforms
23:53:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or to few tracks
23:54:58  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I know what you mean.
23:56:20  <PublicServer> <Sylf> hrm
23:56:33  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol
23:56:43  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Sylf: I didnt say yours was wrong
23:56:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and wouldnt work
23:56:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just a tip for the future
23:56:55  <PublicServer> <Sylf> no, but I do agree
23:57:09  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I just was lazy to move extra lines at first
23:57:22  <PublicServer> <Sylf> wheeeee
23:57:24  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok
23:57:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> more destruction <3
23:57:41  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> playing coop is like being drunk
23:57:47  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or atleast the signs are
23:58:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> After that big pax game, it was exactly the same.
23:58:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I have my town for later
23:59:13  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> will be funny
23:59:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Good.
23:59:52  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh phoenix is trying the ultimate terminus

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