Log for #openttdcoop on 8th April 2011:
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00:00:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, lets go over and laugh at him.
00:00:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> >:-)
00:01:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> that is how you do it
00:02:05  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what do you think?
00:02:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I do not think.
00:02:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I'm just admiring.
00:03:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> then that is expandable for ever
00:03:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and ever
00:03:57  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and ever and ever and ever
00:03:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and ever
00:04:29  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I will leave my idea
00:04:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> If those industries keep out of the way, that is.
00:04:39  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol yes
00:04:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and its within the station spread
00:05:11  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but I think that is what phoenix was getting at
00:05:33  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Might very well be.
00:06:07  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> it work almost as well as a ro-ro but take up way more room
00:06:17  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> if I could think of a way to shrink it
00:06:27  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> without loosing proformance it would be amazing
00:06:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> No, it would be bloody amazing.
00:06:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> A fscking miracle.
00:07:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000117DF:
00:07:42  <phoenix_> yes, that looks quite facinating
00:07:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> in places the tracks are triple stacked
00:08:12  <phoenix_> never thought of placing the platforms on different levels
00:08:38  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> well like your randoms its just an idea
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00:16:04  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, I'm off.
00:16:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> See you tomorrow, likely.
00:16:25  <phoenix_> bye
00:16:26  <PublicServer> <Sylf> cya
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00:31:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> anyone still building something?
00:31:38  <PublicServer> <Sylf> not me
00:31:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> else im of for today
00:32:03  <PublicServer> <phoenix> +f
00:32:51  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well then, good night.
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07:37:42  <Pewpsocher> Hello.
07:37:45  <Pewpsocher> @quickstart
07:37:46  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
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07:49:12  <Pewpsocher> !help
07:49:12  <PublicServer> Pewpsocher:
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07:53:48  <planetmaker> lol?
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10:39:20  <Pewpsocher> !password
10:39:20  <PublicServer> Pewpsocher: hooter
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11:34:24  <V453000> !password
11:34:24  <PublicServer> V453000: hooter
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11:53:14  <xineohp> !password
11:53:14  <PublicServer> xineohp: beeves
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11:53:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi:)
11:53:58  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hey
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12:42:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
12:44:18  <SmatZ> hello V453000
12:44:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :)
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13:01:48  <Mazur> !passworf
13:01:50  <Mazur> !password
13:01:50  <PublicServer> Mazur: dorsal
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13:02:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
13:02:12  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Moar ning.
13:02:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> (Note to self: it's afternoon, dummy.)
13:02:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> the Moar still applies though :p
13:03:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Always does.
13:05:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> phoenix awake or only present?
13:05:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> lets start with the pax net?
13:05:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Could do.
13:05:44  <PublicServer> <phoenix> im here, and awake ;)
13:06:04  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Goodly.
13:06:30  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Meesa curiosa about the factory stations.
13:07:13  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00010431:
13:20:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> going :p
13:21:52  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh.
13:22:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
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13:23:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I was going to change to a proper SLH.
13:23:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, feel free to :)
13:23:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And make roo for a prio.
13:23:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> room
13:30:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: want to help with something? setting up the pax network is very simple :) come have a go
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13:45:19  <phatmatt> !download
13:45:19  <PublicServer> phatmatt: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x
13:45:19  <PublicServer> phatmatt:
13:45:24  <phatmatt> !download win32
13:45:24  <PublicServer> phatmatt:
13:45:45  <planetmaker> !dl osx
13:45:45  <PublicServer> planetmaker:
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13:53:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> thx :)
13:53:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> yw
13:54:17  <phatmatt> !password
13:54:17  <PublicServer> phatmatt: dolled
13:54:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :)
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13:54:54  <PublicServer> <phatmatt> hey
13:55:19  <PublicServer> <phatmatt> i used to lurk here a while ago.. like a year.. so I'm a little rusty, just gonna spec for now :)
13:55:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> I remember you of course :p welcome back
13:55:32  <PublicServer> <phatmatt> oh haha
13:55:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hi, PH.
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13:58:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> if you want to build something simple, there are towns to connect ;)
13:58:32  <PublicServer> <phatmatt> maybe in a bit :P
14:02:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> BLO connected and running.
14:02:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> good :)
14:03:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh, you added all of the connections right away I see
14:03:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw ... we always use unaccessible depots, I guess you heard that ;)
14:04:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, sorry, no brain acitivity yet.  Only second cup of coffee.
14:04:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> happens :)
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14:10:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I'm taking the BLO-NAN tain out again, as they are both on the same SL.
14:10:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> ? :)
14:10:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> ah, well that can be done, no problems
14:10:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> It takes a grand tour and then only makes less than a $ 1.000.
14:10:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> any connections are ok
14:10:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, I'll leave iut it.
14:10:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh, you didnt make connection between those
14:10:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm .. :)
14:11:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> then delete the train
14:11:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> No, add ceonnection.
14:11:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok :)
14:11:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> I did not add VER - LIS either ... no point there
14:13:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, that was erasier than I thought.
14:13:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
14:13:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And I got to use a tile 3 deep.   :-D
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14:19:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> Health for your skin.
14:19:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> Vichy connected
14:20:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hiya, VIC.
14:20:27  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, VCH.
14:20:37  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Same principle.
14:20:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
14:20:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Gonna take a bath, then.
14:20:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D ok
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14:36:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> cargo SLH 01 is up :)
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14:37:53  <phatmatt> !password
14:37:53  <PublicServer> phatmatt: whiffs
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14:40:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Tours up and running.
14:43:10  <V453000> !password
14:43:10  <PublicServer> V453000: whiffs
14:46:26  <V453000> !rcon set town_growth_rate 2
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14:57:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> bastards
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15:09:04  <V453000> !password
15:09:04  <PublicServer> V453000: damper
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15:23:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> yeeah
15:23:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> we won again
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15:29:06  <V453000> !password
15:29:06  <PublicServer> V453000: nipple
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15:35:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm, we are still missing the factory :(
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15:37:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> Mazur: want to build it? :)
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15:38:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi, coming to build the factory? :)
15:38:28  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hi :-)
15:38:43  <PublicServer> <phoenix> then build it ... if have not found a single terminus station, that would not clog up under massive traffic
15:38:49  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> mostly just watching. I don't have much time at hands right now :-(
15:38:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> ;)
15:39:01  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> but where?
15:39:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> west
15:39:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: as I said, _every_ station design works, you only need to make it properly, and eventually large enough
15:40:21  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hm...  LL_RR terminus?
15:40:25  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, not really my designs all jam on exit
15:40:25  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> TL3?
15:40:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yes
15:40:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> no, any station, no need to be terminus
15:40:42  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> ah
15:40:52  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> then I'd build a classic PSB one
15:41:00  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> or semi-classic
15:41:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> :|
15:41:40  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> well, that's why I asked. What is desired?
15:41:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> anything :) but you know that PSB can easily break
15:42:00  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> psb?
15:42:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
15:42:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> I already showed you that :)
15:42:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> anytime 2 trains come too close together and they are just unlucky, it blocks
15:42:46  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> that's why you got some waiting space in front of platforms and semi-classic
15:43:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> ehh ... lets show it again ;)
15:43:34  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> then please do :-)
15:44:10  <V453000> lets consider this screenshot which is the original one
15:44:25  <V453000> now look at the second train from the right
15:44:39  <V453000> (the first one completely visible one)
15:44:57  <V453000> and tell me, which platform will it take :)
15:46:01  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
15:46:01  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: wafted
15:46:19  <V453000> the answer simple: there is not a platform for that train, therefore it was released into the station when it should not have been, which is a by-design flaw of PSB
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15:46:26  <PublicServer> phatmatt: wafted
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15:47:01  <V453000> with longer trains or shorter PSB arrays it of course does not influence anything as long as the trains can occupy the whole array
15:47:15  <V453000> you see pm? :)
15:47:30  <planetmaker> Indeed  I do. But I don't remember seeing this before.
15:47:45  <V453000> I saw it many times unfortunately
15:48:17  <V453000> but still, what keeps you from dividing the track into 2 in the very start of the station, so you do not need any PSB (or a short one) later? :)
15:48:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> just like for example the current oil drop is made
15:49:25  <planetmaker> well. My semi-classic looks a bit different where that is less likely to occur.
15:49:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> build it :)
15:50:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> I can be your slave if you need it quickly ;)
15:51:40  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> see !like here
15:51:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am watching it all the time
15:51:48  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> the two entry lines from the right
15:51:50  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> ok :-)
15:52:13  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> there trains can always wait somewhat, if it's too busy and it better mixes tracks
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15:52:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, sure
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15:52:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
15:52:34  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> do we need pickup and drop?
15:52:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> both
15:52:48  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> then I'd make the pickup terminus ;-)
15:53:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> anything you like :)
15:53:33  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hm... /me ponders
15:53:48  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> the terrain might be more suited for a terminus. What do you think?
15:54:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think one of each would do best
15:54:14  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> k
15:54:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on the actual design :)
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15:54:45  <V453000> !password
15:54:45  <PublicServer> V453000: canoed
15:54:53  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> How many tracks for pickup?
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15:55:12  <V453000> tracks? well, 2 would be nice
15:55:13  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> ok
15:55:18  <V453000> but expect low load on 2
15:55:21  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> Station tracks
15:55:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> hate telling that :) well, 8 should do
15:55:56  <V453000> @ABR07
15:55:57  <Webster> Advanced Building Revue 07: Stations at #openttdcoop -
15:56:08  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I plan on ending SW PAX at Bayonne. Is this OK, or should I include Charolles?
15:56:14  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> well, normally it's 6...8 / line.
15:56:18  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> but pickup... oh well
15:56:32  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> could need additional ones. waiting for full load and stuff
15:56:33  <V453000> 1. Platform Count  What is usually the first question someone asks before building a station? “How many platforms per line?” Stations Please note that this sentence makes no sense until you provide all important information on which the platform count actually depends! Basically every station design requires different platform counts. ...
15:56:39  <V453000> from ABR07 :p
15:58:14  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> may we just remove the other tracks?
15:58:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> the mess?:) sure
15:58:28  <hylje> so if we have a line that reaches max capacity
15:58:51  <hylje> and every train will stop to full load
16:00:01  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> bah
16:00:07  <hylje> there's a maximum amount of platforms
16:01:03  <V453000> hylje: of course there is a maximum amount of platforms. But that number changes with trains, changes with station design, changes with so many aspects that when someone asks "how many platforms?" you cannot really tell him
16:01:45  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hm... where to get the 2nd line...
16:03:01  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> that's way easier, incoming is | or ---
16:03:13  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> it's actually... needed
16:03:31  <hylje> i wasn't aware of train loading times varying greatly depending on train size
16:03:43  <hylje> different cargo tends to have different capacities and loading rates?
16:03:58  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> wagons may differ
16:04:10  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> how many drop do we want? 16?
16:04:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes but not only that, if the last signals before platforms are far away, of course you need more platforms than when the signals are right in front of it
16:04:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> 18 might be even for about 4 lines I would saz
16:04:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> say
16:05:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> note that a part of the 2 lines goes to the pickup, if we consider 3 lines in total, I would expect about 2 lines going to drop only
16:05:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> which could take ... 12?
16:05:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> again, depends how you build it
16:05:34  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> which part?
16:05:44  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> I'd put the split somewhere in the existing track
16:05:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> you can see that since my sawmill drop has no balancing and quite far distances to the platforms, I made 8 platforms per line, which is quite a lot
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16:11:03  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> BAY now open for PAX
16:11:04  <V453000> bah, bluescreen of death :D
16:11:19  <V453000> !password
16:11:19  <PublicServer> V453000: optima
16:11:30  <Lukeus_Maximus> lol
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16:11:47  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> :-O @ V
16:12:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> Lukeus Maximus: why so long gaps in front of the station?
16:12:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw the PBS has no reason
16:12:50  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> V453000: no I think I have it sorted. Feel free to help now, if you like
16:12:59  <Lukeus_Maximus> hmm
16:13:00  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> you know the concept. whereever you like :-)
16:13:01  <Lukeus_Maximus> where?
16:13:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> ;)
16:13:18  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> oh right
16:13:24  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> sorry, that was lgacy support
16:13:30  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> *legacy
16:13:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> just noting ;)
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16:13:56  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> Is the PBS automatic then?
16:14:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
16:14:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> just make it with presignals, no reason for PBS
16:14:28  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> PBS meaning (because Ivorgot)
16:14:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> path signals
16:14:41  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> right
16:14:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> pm: btw the PBS signals in front of platforms are also needless :) the 1 block "cross" has higher throughput than 2 platforms, therefore it suffices :)
16:15:14  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hu?
16:16:20  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> one train waiting space in front of x
16:16:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes sure :)
16:16:52  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> V453000: but pbs allows both to be filled simultaneiously
16:16:57  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> it's faster
16:17:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> in total it isnt
16:17:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2 platforms are the bottlenec
16:17:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> bottleneck
16:17:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> not the X :)
16:17:52  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> and you need an additional track tile with block signals
16:17:52  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> long bays are not so long now
16:17:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> good :)
16:19:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> 14 should be enough :)
16:19:10  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I'll proceed to make a station in Lyon
16:19:16  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> we can do 15. it's ok
16:19:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> good :)
16:19:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> 15? :)
16:19:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> I have expected an even number :p
16:20:02  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> :-)
16:20:12  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> 16 I mean
16:20:25  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hm, though, better not
16:20:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think 14 is fine already :)
16:22:13  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> is spamming trees the accepted method of making towns like you?
16:22:18  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000EFD6:
16:23:59  <notch> trains stuck @ slh02
16:24:04  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, sorry, V, I took a break before I'd connect every last town on the map before anyone else had a shot.
16:24:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> thanks
16:24:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> Mazur: ? :)
16:25:00  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> entry done, eh?
16:25:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> seeems like it
16:25:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> You asked, if I wanted to build the last drop/pickup.  I gave no answer, as I was AFBNTK, but did not pay attention enough.
16:25:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> ah :)
16:26:10  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> balancing is done on the entry. Exit should mostly be fine
16:26:13  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> or same scheme?
16:26:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
16:26:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The answer would have been "No.", anyway.  I came uop blank on ideas.
16:26:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> as you want, both options are fine
16:32:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> money! :D
16:33:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm, trains choosing at PBS? :D
16:34:08  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> they automatically do depending on load
16:34:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> probably :)
16:35:04  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> and both again can exit at the same time ;-)
16:35:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> which you do not need since 2 trains cannot enter the station  at the same timeeither ;)
16:35:47  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> that's why I'd use there pbs, too
16:36:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, and since it isnt needed in front of the station, it isnt needed in the exit either ;)
16:36:21  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> well, I don't see how it's not needed in the front
16:36:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> I already said, the throughput of a single "X" is _higher_ than the throughput of 2 platforms
16:36:52  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> because both tracks, trains will turn to the first station. Thus one will have to wait
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16:37:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm, yes
16:37:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> but they will wait sooner or later
16:37:48  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> not necessarily
16:38:14  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> but eventually there will be trains who stop. But... this way sooner IMHO
16:38:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> the same
16:38:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> the platform couple is the bottleneck
16:38:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> not the X
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16:39:25  <Vinnie_nl> planetmaker: you got your donation from CB
16:39:56  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> Is AUR growing due to awesome PAX or because of goods?
16:40:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are no goods coming yet
16:40:14  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> PAX it is.
16:40:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> it should not get much higher unless all other towns are connected and well serviced
16:42:31  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> gadzooks fellows!
16:42:37  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> we're strapped for cash!
16:43:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> as soon as we get some cargo running it will be better :)
16:44:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> pm ran away :(
16:46:31  <planetmaker> nah, sorry
16:46:34  <planetmaker> battery ran empty. Quite suddenly ;-)
16:46:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
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16:50:44  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> so
16:50:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> fund the factory where-ever you like ;) I will start sending stuff
16:50:54  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> how the heck are we doing oil?
16:51:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> Lukeus Maximus: how would we, the heck? :)
16:51:15  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> I'd say at !factory
16:51:19  <PublicServer> <phoenix> any suggestions what i could/should build?
16:51:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> farm connection at SLH 02
16:51:41  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> or did you talk to me, V453000?
16:51:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> pm: for example :) any
16:51:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> thx, k
16:51:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> no, to others :)
16:52:03  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> wait... factory coal drop?
16:52:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
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16:52:29  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> we're too poor to fund it
16:52:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D we suck
16:52:37  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> we're nearly bancrupt
16:55:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> guess we could/should cheat some money so we do not wait and stare :)
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16:56:08  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> nah. It's fine IMHO
16:56:23  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> please don't
16:56:46  <V453000> :(
16:56:56  <V453000> we are just waiting and doing nothing
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16:57:05  <V453000> !password
16:57:05  <PublicServer> V453000: bolder
16:57:10  <Chris_Booth> more MM V453000 ?
16:57:26  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> there you go
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16:57:31  <V453000> MM gets deleted later anyway
16:57:42  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> but was it already deleted?
16:57:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
16:58:26  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> anyway go send trains
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16:58:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> which cost a million each ;(
16:58:44  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> I build a nice tree next to the factory :-P
16:58:54  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> woot? why are they that expensive?
16:58:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2cc set
16:59:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> alright, thoughts about the cheating? :D
17:00:16  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hrm ... why do you insist on not using PBS on the X's?
17:00:20  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> Aubusson's IKEA looks like it could be an industry
17:00:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: because there is no reason to do so
17:00:30  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> takes WOOD, produces FLATPACK
17:01:12  <PublicServer> <phoenix> V: well there is also no reason not to, or am i missing sth?
17:01:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, PBS sucks, uses more CPU and makes people build wrongly
17:01:43  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, ok then
17:03:05  <Lukeus_Maximus> !giveusmoremoney PublicServer!
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17:04:08  <Tussengas> @password
17:04:15  <Tussengas> !password
17:04:15  <PublicServer> Tussengas: bolder
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17:05:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw pm: I do not remember openttdcoop using 2way PBS in other cases than for penalties ever :o
17:05:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> ... it also reacts worse afaik
17:06:49  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> Am I the only person experiencing lag?
17:06:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> probably
17:07:19  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000E3DD:
17:07:42  <PublicServer> <phoenix> im building so slowly i would never notice a lag ;-)
17:08:07  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> what are you building?
17:08:23  <PublicServer> <phoenix> some pickup station
17:11:19  <planetmaker> @gap 3
17:11:19  <Webster> planetmaker: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4.
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17:13:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> farms get 2 stations ,or not ?
17:13:12  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> yep
17:13:38  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> axo?
17:14:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> why would you need a double tunnel for 2 small stations ... I do not know what axo is though
17:14:30  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm i think  axo is a non english expression
17:14:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> im thinking about the englisch variant ...
17:15:46  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I thought tunnels always neededto dubble, but not for station exits?
17:15:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> not for station exits where a train will go once a month
17:16:19  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> The pickup is still very "dirty"
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17:16:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> mainly the 2way PBS seems just wrong :)
17:16:55  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> 2way pbs are the white signs in front of the stations?
17:18:14  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> well, at least he is trying... I'm too scared to do something wrong so I'm just watching and commentating xD
17:18:22  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> Tussengas: the Western 3 tracks are badly attached
17:18:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> important: build with electrification
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17:18:51  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> western 3?
17:18:57  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> of factory pickup
17:19:18  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> I better remove that :-P
17:19:50  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I didnt build that xD
17:19:56  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> I did :-P
17:21:27  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> there, now we start to make $$
17:21:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> where? :D :P
17:21:55  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> but better make €€. Worth more :-P
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17:25:00  <V453000> later
17:27:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey all
17:27:33  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hi
17:27:36  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> hi
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17:29:16  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
17:29:16  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: plumps
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17:31:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
17:33:32  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> laters
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17:33:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
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17:37:49  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> CL 2 ok?
17:42:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> interesting
17:42:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oke cya later ppl
17:42:54  <PublicServer> <phoenix> cu
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17:43:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> BYe, Vin.
17:43:18  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> we saving for anything?
17:43:28  <PublicServer> <phoenix> nope
17:43:35  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> not?
17:43:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Saving what?
17:43:48  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> i thought for an industry
17:43:50  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> money
17:44:00  <PublicServer> <phoenix> i thought the factory was build?
17:44:10  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ah ok
17:44:12  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> it is
17:44:54  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, no, we're not saving for anything.
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17:46:06  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
17:46:06  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: avider
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17:47:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Lol, I just made that train.
17:48:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> BAY-NAN.
17:48:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Who made train 43?
17:49:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The last train, please, who made it?
17:49:28  <PublicServer> <phoenix> not me
17:49:30  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> what does Wip mean?
17:49:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> In Aurillac?
17:49:38  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> me neither, i'm in specator mode :p
17:49:41  <PublicServer> <phoenix> work in progress
17:49:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Work-In-Progress.
17:49:47  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I made the last train
17:49:57  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I didn't see that someone else made it
17:49:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, Luke, I made train 42 for that route.
17:50:01  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> at the same time I did
17:50:02  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ah okey... its in some towns in the middle of no-where :p
17:50:07  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok.
17:50:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, my train beat your terain, but your group beat mine.
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17:57:08  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> arw we creating transfers at gueret?
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18:01:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> I need help with train 44
18:02:26  <PublicServer> <phoenix> 1. why would it go there in the first place?!
18:02:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> that stop is not on its route
18:03:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> and why did it not stop at the presignal?!
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18:06:31  <xineohp> hello? anyone still here?
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18:56:37  <V453000> !password
18:56:37  <PublicServer> V453000: unborn
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18:56:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi guys
18:56:58  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hey
18:57:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> Guéret South: mixed station
18:58:08  <PublicServer> <phoenix> only bc one stupid train did not find it's correct way
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18:58:32  <V453000> coming later ;)
18:58:42  <PublicServer> <phoenix> it also ignored a presignal ?!
18:59:08  <PublicServer> <phoenix> what is comming later?
19:03:28  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
19:03:28  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: unborn
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19:06:10  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I suggest the use of a waterbourne SL for the 10 odd oil rigs to the east
19:07:22  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00007871:
19:07:29  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, you will have to raise an afull lot of land from seelevel to do that
19:10:27  <Tussengas> how about the canal method?
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19:11:15  <PublicServer> <phoenix> i don't know what that is
19:11:29  <Tussengas>  looking for the link, give me a bit ;)
19:11:42  <Tussengas> check :
19:12:05  <PublicServer> <phoenix> btw, do we have some kind of cental depot?
19:12:20  <Tussengas> for whwat?
19:14:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> train maintenance
19:15:39  <Tussengas> we don't maintenance trains
19:15:59  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, well ok, then no depots
19:16:17  <Tussengas> only for inserting new trains and a few times to take trains out
19:16:56  <Tussengas> the trains are on "never breakdown"
19:18:17  <Lukeus_Maximus> canal metod it shall be
19:18:22  <Tussengas> btw, in short the canal trick is: make a square of canals in the ocean, use the dynamite to bomb the area within the square and you have a platform wich won't fload
19:18:56  <Tussengas> at that platform you make a station and a hill for a bridge
19:19:05  <Tussengas> and you got a station in the ocean
19:19:23  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yeah, read the link you posted
19:19:58  <Tussengas> the link only illustrates a bridge, but it also works if you closes the ends with canals instead of land
19:20:12  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
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19:22:05  <PublicServer> <phoenix> do we build an other SLH around !here? or should I connect to SLH01 (which would about double the travel time)
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19:23:54  <Tussengas> !password
19:23:54  <PublicServer> Tussengas: dismay
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19:24:28  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
19:24:28  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: dismay
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19:24:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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19:24:59  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hey
19:26:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: primary pickups need to _ALWAYS_ have at least 2 platforms
19:26:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> so that there could always be a train loading
19:27:50  <PublicServer> <phoenix> i rather doubt that there will be that much trafic at a single oil rigg
19:28:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2 platform is an absolute minimum regardless traffic
19:28:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> and there will be quite a traffic actually
19:28:28  <PublicServer> <phoenix> how so?
19:29:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, first of all the oil rig will grow, so it could produce a LOT ... also, there are likely to spawn his buddies around
19:29:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, if you say so .... ok i will double them
19:30:11  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I allready took the liberty to start doubling it :)
19:30:44  <PublicServer> <phoenix> there are two others ...
19:30:52  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ah ok
19:32:23  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> gueret west is done
19:33:26  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> I've placed !sea connection
19:33:44  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> this is where I think the SL for the east oil rigs should meet the shore
19:34:16  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> and should connect with the primary network
19:34:22  <PublicServer> <phoenix> looks good to me
19:34:48  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> why did you type that in?
19:35:00  <PublicServer> <phoenix> wrong window ...
19:35:10  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> :)
19:35:14  <PublicServer> <phoenix> i wanted to search for the sign
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19:36:21  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> wouldnt it been easier if the airport @ BLO was replaced or removed?
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19:37:30  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> hmm
19:37:39  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> that part is quite bad anyway...
19:38:12  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> hmm nvm that comment
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19:41:45  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
19:41:45  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: sewers
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19:47:24  <PublicServer> <phoenix> where would you place the next SLH in the NW?
19:47:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> there
19:48:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
19:48:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> further from the BBH = better in general
19:48:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> how about !or here
19:48:56  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ?
19:49:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> everywhere there will be SLHs
19:49:28  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
19:49:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are 4 arrows
19:49:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> each indicating a SLH, and its orientation
19:50:03  <PublicServer> <phoenix> will you build it?
19:50:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> if nobody does ...
19:51:07  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, im not sure if i could manage it ... so, you do it ;)
19:51:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> I fear you cannot say unless you try ;) but as you want
19:52:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> you can just continue on connecting cities
19:52:21  <PublicServer> <phoenix> btw, arent the to arrows that point to the lake, redundant?
19:52:23  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001E21F:
19:52:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh holy fucking shit, what the hell is the canal rails in the south?
19:52:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> oil pickup ...
19:53:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> dont you feel like it being uber ugly?
19:53:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> (it is)
19:53:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, he asked, and how else would you do it?
19:54:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> see for example Aurillac Lakeside
19:54:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> or even Guéret West is fine
19:54:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> but totally not this way
19:55:08  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, but those are close to shore
19:55:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> no difference, just go straight from the shore the closest path
19:55:36  <PublicServer> <phoenix> you couldent do that in the East
19:56:24  <PublicServer> <phoenix> and with you insisting on two platforms, you would need an afoul lot of bidges
19:56:34  <PublicServer> <phoenix> and islands
19:56:40  <PublicServer> <phoenix> bridges
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19:59:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> better bridges than this disgusting canal
19:59:47  <PublicServer> <phoenix> *shrug*
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20:04:14  <Lukeus_Maximus> !password
20:04:14  <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: metals
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20:08:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> SLH 03 ready
20:09:17  <PublicServer> <phoenix> build one in the NW next, please
20:09:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will finish this half first
20:09:33  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
20:09:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> who is building Lisieux Transfer?
20:10:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> who was, eventually
20:10:55  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> so I heard somebody hates canals enough to delte them all and not tell me first
20:11:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> you heard right, I wrote it before though
20:11:32  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> your pile of ocean now.
20:13:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> guess it is not your aim to try doing it properly as we do on this server
20:14:09  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> What is the correct method then
20:14:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> see the other already connected rigs?
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20:14:30  <PublicServer> <phoenix> apparently building lots of bridges ;)
20:14:36  <PublicServer> <Lukeus Maximus> right
20:15:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> what is going on near network plan btw
20:16:24  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, you said not canels, so it is bridges
20:16:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes but why one bridges
20:16:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, two would cost double
20:16:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> cost?
20:16:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> we do not care about the cost
20:17:27  <PublicServer> <phoenix> fine then builds a second one
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20:17:35  <mfb-> hi
20:17:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:18:12  <mfb-> !password
20:18:12  <PublicServer> mfb-: chants
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20:20:18  <PublicServer> <mfb> pax network is LR?
20:20:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> so far
20:20:30  <PublicServer> <mfb> really small hubs :D
20:22:24  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000B93A:
20:23:22  <PublicServer> <mfb> nice overflow system at wood goods pickup
20:23:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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20:28:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> CL3?
20:28:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure
20:28:46  <Tussengas> !password
20:28:46  <PublicServer> Tussengas: ranker
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20:31:26  <Lukeus_Maximus> how is dinan woods an airport
20:31:35  <Lukeus_Maximus> whay are two planes circling it?
20:32:25  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> i guess its walked
20:32:59  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> see the pinetrees in Dinan
20:33:05  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> they are a part of the airport
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20:35:23  <planetmaker> station spread can be 64 tiles ;-)
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20:36:36  <Benny> !players
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 110 (Orange) is phoenix, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 175 (Orange) is mfb, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 112 is notch, a spectator
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 113 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 165 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
20:36:39  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 177 (Orange) is Tussengas, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport)
20:36:47  <Benny> Hey guys. :)
20:36:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:36:55  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hi
20:36:56  <mfb-> hi
20:37:24  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000F0C8:
20:37:27  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> PM, at the coaldrop, what will that priority line do exactly?
20:37:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> presignal bypass, see wiki
20:38:07  <planetmaker> a very classical concept ;-)
20:38:19  <planetmaker> much older than pm's presence in the ttd community ;-)
20:38:49  <PublicServer> <mfb> very classic, and can jam very classic ;)
20:39:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:40:32  <planetmaker> the you'd have to change it to the valshallaw style ;-)
20:40:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> which sucks even greater
20:40:48  <planetmaker> That can't jam. And it'll bring horror to all those who don't like pbs.
20:41:27  <mfb-> :D
20:44:24  <Tussengas> whats the reason it would jam?
20:44:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> which thing
20:44:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> PSB?
20:44:42  <PublicServer> <mfb> second train can see the same green the first train wants to use
20:45:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> as mfb says
20:45:29  <PublicServer> <mfb> any rules for TGV or just "pick a destination you like"?
20:45:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> the second rule :)
20:45:41  <Tussengas> ah ok
20:45:43  <PublicServer> <mfb> AUR got nearly as many waiting pax as the city has
20:47:28  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> well, due the layout of the place, it can't extend anymore so I guess they have no choise but to leave
20:47:44  <mfb-> where?
20:47:56  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> aurillilac
20:48:13  <PublicServer> <mfb> well, the station is nearly empty
20:48:18  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ?
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20:48:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are no trains
20:48:27  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> are you looking to the right station?
20:48:41  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ah , no trains but plenty of passengers :p
20:48:47  <PublicServer> <mfb> right
20:52:19  <Benny> !password
20:52:19  <PublicServer> Benny: sipped
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20:52:52  <PublicServer> <Benny> Now that is one brilliantly built oil pickup right there,
20:53:12  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> ?
20:53:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> Very good place optimization.
20:53:23  <PublicServer> <Benny> The oil pickup.
20:53:44  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> yeah, But it sounded like sarcasm so I woundered what was wrong :p
20:54:04  <PublicServer> <Benny> Nono, I am serious. No or very little TFing has been done here.
20:54:40  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I think I see just 1 double corner though
20:55:31  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> but if this was the tf as it was, it's been nicely done
20:55:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> I think it was a little bit more
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20:56:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> unlikely to have these tunnel entrances
20:56:29  <PublicServer> <mfb> without TF
20:56:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> whoever is at SLH04, next time discuss deleting stuff before breaking it
20:57:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> unless you can build a SLH yourself
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20:57:12  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> btw, is there a use for the signals at the begin of the station (near to the cl sign)
20:57:20  <PublicServer> <phoenix> sorry, but it was not broken
20:57:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> it got majorly broken
20:58:18  <PublicServer> <phoenix> how can it be broken, if you build it exactly as i planed to do?!
20:58:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm, since I shortened the waiting bays a lot, it obviously is different than you did
20:59:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> at the very start
20:59:47  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, do those have a maximal lenght?
20:59:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> related to the TL
21:00:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1x TL is ideal, anything longer is worse
21:00:11  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, ok
21:00:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> but shorter is broken ;)
21:00:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
21:00:46  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, i would have asked you to check, when i was finished
21:04:17  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> mfb?
21:04:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> Guéret West trains have shared orders with trainyard, please only clone trains from trainyard, not ctrl+clone
21:05:10  <PublicServer> <phoenix> sorry#
21:05:20  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> where you moved a bit to make space for the ML, didnt you made some short cl's ?
21:05:28  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> near gueret west
21:05:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> do you really think such a place deep in the SL suffers from CLs? :)
21:06:44  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I'm just asking to get to understand your considerations at those points
21:06:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> and I am answering them :p
21:07:25  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000804D:
21:08:57  <PublicServer> <phoenix> two trains per oil station?
21:09:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2 trains per any station from the start is optimal imo
21:09:17  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok
21:09:42  <PublicServer> <mfb> so one train can wait and load while the other train is somewhere in the network
21:10:28  <PublicServer> <mfb> which work is in progress at dinan?
21:10:34  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> btw, in my offline game I got 2or 3 trains always waiting at a pickup and still I got only 75 % transported
21:10:36  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> is that random?
21:10:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe the trains are slow
21:10:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> mfb: no work I assume, feel free to take over
21:11:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> Tussengas: you cannot get 100%
21:11:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> due to whatever reasons, it just isnt possible :)
21:11:28  <Tussengas> trains are slow?
21:11:32  <PublicServer> <mfb> with advertising
21:11:37  <planetmaker> V453000: is is possible
21:11:43  <planetmaker> seen it. done it. been there
21:11:45  <V453000> only very temporarily though
21:11:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> those trains are expensive .... and i still have 5 to build :(
21:11:52  <V453000> not for longer time
21:11:52  <Tussengas> ah cities don't send everything to your trains?
21:11:55  <V453000> I seen 100% too
21:12:13  <V453000> but only for lor producing industries
21:12:40  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh damn.. I yelled at my mom and now she is crying... What do.. .___.-
21:13:02  <PublicServer> <Tussengas> tell her you're to busy with trains to talk to her
21:13:04  <planetmaker> apologize
21:13:26  <PublicServer> <Benny> I probably should.
21:13:40  <PublicServer> <Benny> Damn, women, how do they work >_>
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21:14:04  <planetmaker> Benny: that's not for men to understand :-P
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21:15:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> AUR almost empty now :)
21:16:59  <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (connection lost)
21:17:05  <mfb-> ...
21:17:07  <mfb-> !passwird
21:17:10  <mfb-> !password
21:17:10  <PublicServer> mfb-: founts
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21:20:24  <Benny> There we go, a calm talk and some hugs later and it's all sorted out.
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21:20:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
21:20:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
21:20:56  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
21:21:12  <Benny> !password
21:21:12  <Benny> Hey there. :)
21:21:12  <PublicServer> Benny: founts
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21:22:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ahh V a question
21:22:38  <Benny> !password
21:22:38  <PublicServer> Benny: twined
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21:22:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> why do the overflows have an escape  for steel pickup and goods pickup
21:23:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> for lost trains
21:23:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> if a lost train would ever get there, it couldnt escape on its own
21:23:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> this way it does not influence the overflow anyhow, and lets such trains leave it
21:23:45  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> I see
21:23:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> but of course ... they cannot see it as a turnaround since there is the reverser
21:24:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> so it works just and only when it should
21:24:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> phoenix, you here?
21:24:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> I like the overflow logic though, never done it that way yet :)
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21:26:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> who is building Narbonne Woods check CL
21:26:23  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah no I'm fixing a CL1 turn.
21:26:27  <PublicServer> <phoenix> that would be me
21:26:39  <PublicServer> <Benny> what
21:26:41  <PublicServer> <mfb> more than one problem where
21:26:57  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe it is better to bridge the SL
21:27:09  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, true
21:27:48  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh, THAT's Narbonne Woods >_>
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21:28:25  <PublicServer> <phoenix> lol
21:28:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> now its gone
21:28:54  <PublicServer> <Benny> We are running low on money...
21:29:20  <PublicServer> <phoenix> jep, i still have 5 trains to build ...
21:29:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 1 mil each\
21:29:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> what is that at ?? ?
21:30:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah
21:30:30  <mfb-> @cl rail 2
21:30:30  <Webster> mfb-: (cl <no arguments>) -- Returns full name and reference url (if defined)
21:30:38  <mfb-> @cl 2 rail
21:30:38  <Webster> mfb-: (cl <no arguments>) -- Returns full name and reference url (if defined)
21:30:41  <mfb-> @cl
21:30:41  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also:
21:30:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> clcalc
21:30:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> erail
21:30:44  <mfb-> ah
21:30:48  <mfb-> @clcalc erail 2
21:30:48  <Webster> mfb-: A rail Curve Length of 2 (3 half tiles) gives a speed of 132km/h or 82mph
21:31:25  <PublicServer> <mfb> ok, nice
21:31:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am quite sure the "no slowdown" does slow
21:31:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok, deleted now
21:31:54  <PublicServer> <Benny> nope
21:32:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> ofc, you dont have TL3 there
21:32:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah
21:32:37  <PublicServer> <Benny> ...what
21:32:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> boom
21:32:43  <PublicServer> <mfb> that explains that
21:32:55  <PublicServer> <Benny> oh well
21:34:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> any rules on town growth so far
21:34:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> reasonably, but totally not higher than 10k
21:35:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> unless we have all towns at that limit, the network smooth, and need/will to expand :)
21:37:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will be going, so good night :)
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21:37:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> gn
21:37:29  <PublicServer> <phoenix> n8
21:37:31  <PublicServer> <Benny> Good night.
21:37:33  <PublicServer> <mfb> good night
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21:45:07  <PublicServer> <mfb> looks good
21:45:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> SW or NE
21:45:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> SW
21:45:22  <PublicServer> <mfb> as we have 05 to NE
21:45:32  <PublicServer> <mfb> well, W, not SW
21:45:32  <PublicServer> <Benny> Whichever one goes leftwards and upwards.
21:45:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> lower left
21:45:48  <PublicServer> <Benny> No oil rigs on the mountains.
21:45:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> not to SLH05 ;)
21:46:02  <PublicServer> <mfb> no
21:46:02  <PublicServer> <Benny> NW then
21:46:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> when did that happen
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21:46:59  <mfb-> wiki is slow again :(
21:47:07  <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah yeah anyeays, do we want an SLH around there that leads to BBH01?
21:47:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> there isnt much around to go to, is it?
21:48:00  <Vinnie_nl> says you are wrong mfb
21:48:10  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we will fund
21:48:16  <PublicServer> <Benny> ^
21:48:26  <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, then, why not
21:48:32  <mfb-> hmm wait
21:48:41  <mfb-> <- old page
21:48:50  <mfb-> current page, pm changed it
21:49:15  <mfb-> (january 11)
21:49:37  <Vinnie_nl> yep mine is newer
21:49:40  <Vinnie_nl> so
21:50:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> why did that change?
21:50:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> dont ask me
21:50:43  <PublicServer> <phoenix> anyone willing to build an !SLH, at this location?
21:50:51  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you
21:51:04  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm
21:51:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> I bet you can with some help
21:51:36  <PublicServer> <mfb> regular SLH, no special features
21:51:38  <PublicServer> <phoenix> yeah, but it will take time
21:51:45  <PublicServer> <mfb> of course
21:51:47  <PublicServer> <mfb> so what
21:51:57  <PublicServer> <phoenix> and the route is in use
21:52:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> np
21:52:11  <PublicServer> <mfb> low traffic
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21:52:33  <PublicServer> <Benny> Built temp tracks in case it's needed then.
21:52:35  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok, i will try
21:54:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> you will need more tracks there
21:55:03  <PublicServer> <mfb> so it's useless to finish that part now
21:55:06  <PublicServer> <mfb> (signals...)
21:55:15  <PublicServer> <Benny> who?
21:55:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> phoenix
21:55:32  <PublicServer> <Benny> ok
21:55:46  <PublicServer> <phoenix> where do i need more?
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21:56:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> entry/exit are always to the bigger thing
21:57:07  <PublicServer> <mfb> so a SL-exit is from the SL to some station
21:57:09  <PublicServer> <Benny> ...I have no idea what you are talking about.
21:57:31  <PublicServer> <phoenix> neither do i
21:57:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> see signs
21:58:02  <PublicServer> <mfb> well, just continue
21:58:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> you will see and learn
21:58:34  <PublicServer> <Benny> okay then
21:58:49  <PublicServer> <Benny> we want connections to the oil drop/pickup too?
21:59:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> SLH goes to all sides
21:59:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> always
21:59:23  <PublicServer> <Benny> Hmmkay.
21:59:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> anyway highlight me for questions
21:59:46  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya later
22:01:13  <PublicServer> <mfb> and it really helps if you wait with signals
22:01:26  <PublicServer> <mfb> in most cases, some tracks have to be moved somewhere
22:01:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> so it is just more work to change every signal every time
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22:16:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> may I ask what that line does?
22:16:46  <PublicServer> <Benny> what line?
22:17:17  <PublicServer> <mfb> no that is bad
22:17:33  <PublicServer> <Benny> why?
22:17:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> trains should be able to join both lines, but the decision should fall as late as possible
22:18:01  <PublicServer> <mfb> so empty slots in both lines can be used
22:18:19  <PublicServer> <Benny> I can make this do that.
22:18:25  <PublicServer> <phoenix> is it better to have two T SLH directly behind one another, to build a 4-way SLH?
22:18:52  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ~or to build
22:20:55  <mfb-> two SLHs
22:21:07  <PublicServer> <mfb> unless that is not possible
22:21:11  <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok
22:21:15  <PublicServer> <mfb> but 4way-SLHs are difficult to expand
22:21:31  <PublicServer> <mfb> as it is really messy when there are lines from everywhere to everywhere everywhere
22:21:48  <PublicServer> <phoenix> expand in what way?
22:22:17  <PublicServer> <mfb> more lines for more traffic
22:22:21  <PublicServer> <phoenix> k
22:22:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000D59F:
22:22:31  <PublicServer> <mfb> the ML may become LLL RRR
22:22:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> or a second line for the SL
22:27:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> well, you can re-use a part of it for the other entry
22:28:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> I JUST realized that!
22:28:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> :p
22:33:59  <PublicServer> <mfb> why so long?
22:34:39  <PublicServer> <Benny> like so instead?
22:36:45  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is the best case
22:37:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00012919:
22:37:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> nice
22:38:45  <PublicServer> <Benny> the prio is 7 tiles now, feels too long
22:38:48  <PublicServer> <Benny> the tunnel one
22:38:56  <PublicServer> <mfb> is ok
22:39:06  <PublicServer> <Benny> kk
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22:48:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> just add a signal?
22:48:57  <PublicServer> <Benny> oh yeah, that wil actually work
22:49:08  <PublicServer> <Benny> prio still works now
22:49:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> some more signals missing now
22:50:53  <PublicServer> <Benny> how long prios?
22:52:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000F39E:
22:53:59  <PublicServer> <mfb> ~5-7tiles? Didn't look at train acceleration
22:54:14  <PublicServer> <mfb> ~6-7
22:54:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> ok
22:57:14  <PublicServer> <Benny> It's done :D
22:57:23  <PublicServer> <Benny> woo
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23:04:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> still missing signals
23:05:16  <PublicServer> <Benny> niiiitpick
23:06:47  <PublicServer> <mfb> :p
23:06:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> fine
23:06:58  <PublicServer> <Benny> ^^
23:07:28  <PublicServer> <mfb> good night
23:07:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000F99B:
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23:07:36  <PublicServer> <Benny> 'night
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23:22:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000131DD:
23:28:00  <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh well, bed for me now, scooter lessons tomorrow.
23:28:10  <PublicServer> <phoenix> n8
23:28:12  <PublicServer> <Benny> Good night, if there's still anyone on here. ^^
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23:47:13  <Chris_Booth> hi all
23:47:19  <PublicServer> <phoenix> hi
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23:48:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh the ultimate terminus never saw the light of da
23:48:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> day
23:49:01  <PublicServer> <phoenix> nope
23:49:25  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I am loving Factoy Pickup I ROFLed when I saw
23:50:06  <PublicServer> <phoenix> though i tried it in an offline game ... didn't work out too well
23:50:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you need the signals and vision
23:50:38  <PublicServer> <phoenix> major trouble getting the trains out fast  enough
23:52:30  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000DFD9:
23:55:32  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok its impossible to build on a hill
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