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(Use !auto to set it back.) 09:03:39 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:11:20 *** roboboy has quit IRC 09:11:21 *** happy_ has joined #openttdcoop 09:11:48 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 09:18:18 <PublicServer> <Mark> omfg 09:31:49 *** Ristovski has joined #openttdcoop 09:50:45 <V453000> vytautas is earth's juice 09:50:46 <V453000> fuck yeah 09:51:59 <Mark> what :D 09:52:17 <PublicServer> <Mark> someone needs to teach scshunt a lesson or two 09:52:27 <PublicServer> <Mark> thought i was pretty clear yesterday 09:52:49 <V453000> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITLob098W8 09:52:49 <Webster> Title: Vytautas Mineral Water! It's Earth's Juice!, Length: 2m 31s, Views: 2698313, Likes: 29527 09:52:59 <Mark> not that again 09:53:14 <V453000> yes that again 10:06:32 *** uliko has joined #openttdcoop 10:06:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o uliko 10:08:49 *** happy_ has quit IRC 10:44:19 <PublicServer> *** Mark has joined spectators 10:44:19 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:44:24 <Mark> !auto 10:44:24 <PublicServer> *** Mark has enabled autopause mode. 11:02:50 *** valhalla1w has joined #openttdcoop 11:04:39 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 11:34:39 *** Djanxy has joined #openttdcoop 11:43:19 *** valhalla1w has quit IRC 11:55:35 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop 11:55:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jam35 12:01:30 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 12:09:34 <Jam35> !password 12:09:34 <PublicServer> Jam35: ganged 12:09:54 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:09:54 <PublicServer> *** Jam35 joined the game 12:36:24 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (general timeout) 12:36:24 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost) 12:40:52 *** retro|cz has quit IRC 12:43:34 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 12:43:39 *** Mark has quit IRC 12:43:39 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 12:54:34 *** happy_ has joined #openttdcoop 13:32:04 *** Vinnie_nl has joined #openttdcoop 13:32:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Vinnie_nl 13:32:15 <Vinnie_nl> !password 13:32:15 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: nilled 13:32:22 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:32:25 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 13:34:44 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 14:10:16 <scshunt> !passworsd 14:10:18 <scshunt> !password 14:10:18 <PublicServer> scshunt: stylus 14:10:26 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:10:27 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:10:27 <PublicServer> *** scshunt joined the game 14:10:31 <scshunt> !players 14:10:34 <PublicServer> scshunt: Client 297 (Orange) is scshunt, in company 1 (Plonbourne Transport) 14:10:34 <PublicServer> scshunt: Client 293 (Orange) is Jam35, in company 1 (Plonbourne Transport) 14:11:02 *** roboboy has quit IRC 14:44:19 <scshunt> @gap 3 14:44:19 <Webster> scshunt: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4. 14:48:30 <PublicServer> *** scshunt has left the game (leaving) 14:48:30 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:56:30 *** Max|_ has quit IRC 15:00:52 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 16:19:28 <PublicServer> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 16:40:53 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 16:40:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 16:55:45 *** retro|cz has joined #openttdcoop 17:11:07 <jrambo> hehehe interesting game on n-ice servers... n-ice vs. nova vs. btpro, 4 bil goal... :) 17:16:08 *** sturmi has joined #openttdcoop 17:26:56 <V453000> noobs vs noobs :( 17:26:57 <V453000> :) 17:52:08 *** retro|cz has quit IRC 18:01:57 <jrambo> solo plays :P 18:02:26 <jrambo> V, when are you gonna play with us on a goal server? :D 18:07:41 <V453000> goal server? never? 18:09:43 <jrambo> we need a new point of view 18:10:04 <V453000> well you probably wont get one on a goal server :) 18:10:34 <jrambo> well, like it or not, it is still an aspect of this game :P 18:10:44 <V453000> I did not deny that 18:10:50 <V453000> it is just limited and dumb :) all I am saying 18:10:59 <jrambo> and by saying "we" i mean "us on goal servers", not "us on #openttdcoop" :P 18:11:08 <V453000> I figured that 18:12:37 <jrambo> is starcraft dumb? 18:12:50 <V453000> no because the game is built for that :) 18:13:07 <V453000> openttd isnt built for competing 18:13:15 <V453000> and if it is, it is majorly failing in that area :) 18:13:52 <jrambo> well, if that's true, i fail at life xD 18:13:52 <V453000> its like if you competed in minecraft or argued what kind of music is better 18:15:29 <jrambo> then i definitely fail at life, because i do argue which kind of music is better 18:15:47 <V453000> it wasnt a good comparison :D 18:16:06 <V453000> look, playing openttd for any kind of comparison means you need to be able to describe "success" if your network in numbers 18:16:20 <V453000> which you cannot because there are so many complex and amazing possibilities 18:17:33 <V453000> if/of :) 18:17:43 <jrambo> well, i understand your point of view 18:18:15 <V453000> no, otherwise you could not disagree with it :) 18:18:21 <jrambo> but i draw a strict line between building "for numbers", and between creative building 18:18:27 <jrambo> that is not necessarily disagreeing :P 18:20:09 <V453000> cant say I know what you mean by that 18:20:34 <V453000> if you mean that building for profit etc is not creative, yeah : D 18:21:30 <jrambo> well... :) 18:21:51 <jrambo> i assume you know how city-builder works, so... 18:22:17 <jrambo> but in case you don't - it's quick and dirty 18:22:35 <V453000> yes, with basically zero complexity 18:22:40 <jrambo> deliver what's asked from you as fast as you can do, and don't fail on the way 18:24:12 <V453000> how do you get better at citybuilder after playing it for 2 days 18:24:16 <V453000> you dont 18:24:25 <jrambo> you do 18:26:26 <jrambo> but i agree with you on something - openttd is not built for competition. it lacks some factors that strategy games have... 18:26:51 <V453000> it lacks every factor for competition - valid comparison 18:27:55 <jrambo> well... 18:28:20 *** valhalla1w has joined #openttdcoop 18:28:24 <V453000> not well :D 18:28:26 <V453000> thats just a fact 18:29:25 <V453000> and as person who can build on openttdcoop level can (after some short practice/realizing what is main focus) demolish people on any goal server, I am not afraid to say that goal servers are not a very potential way to play 18:29:59 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 18:31:39 <jrambo> and if two openttdcoop level players played, which one would win? 18:32:00 <V453000> neither 18:32:28 <Taede> they would cooperate 18:32:55 <V453000> not necessarily 18:33:34 <V453000> point is that to win a goal game you do not need good openttd knowledge 18:33:53 <V453000> so it cant be a victory for a player with knowledge 18:34:06 <V453000> yes, one would have higher numbers which mean nothing. 18:34:44 <jrambo> agreed. you don't need a good networking knowledge to win 18:34:48 <Taede> :) 18:34:53 <jrambo> but there is still something that separates those who win 18:35:16 <V453000> fast clicking and trivial decisions to make the most cost efficient solution 18:35:23 <V453000> cute 18:35:32 <jrambo> be it speed, be it knowledge... concentrations, quick thinking, multitasking... 18:35:44 <V453000> trivial on the scale of what can openttd offer 18:36:09 <jrambo> by the same logic, weightlifting is trivial to what gymnastics offer 18:36:22 <jrambo> or tennis is trivial to what basketball offers 18:36:28 <V453000> not comparable at all 18:37:08 <jrambo> but how? weightlifting is a fairly linear sport. and gymnastics is art in some ways... 18:37:37 <V453000> and uncomparable 18:37:38 <V453000> yeah 18:38:31 <jrambo> what i am getting at is this; goal servers are not creatively challenging, but are mentally (and perhaps physically) challenging 18:38:38 <jrambo> different aspect of the game 18:38:58 <V453000> aspect of the game you can learn quickly 18:39:15 <jrambo> but master slowly? 18:39:24 <V453000> master quickly. 18:39:48 <jrambo> you are saying that because most of CV & CB people are noobs 18:39:59 <jrambo> which is logical, since openttd is basically an unpopular game 18:40:36 <V453000> you are trying to achieve a perfect profit solution, that is by design just trying to get the best out of simple mathematical function about profit (more cargo, more distance, more profit) 18:40:50 <V453000> trying to build something better in the terms of creating better networks 18:41:03 <V453000> takes a lot more time to improve and master 18:41:14 <V453000> nobody has "mastered" that yet after years of cooperative effort 18:41:38 <V453000> no idea what CV and CB is 18:42:08 <jrambo> valid argument. or would be if i claimed that goal servers are comparable to "creative networking" servers :P 18:42:30 <jrambo> i don't care about CV (company value) games much, i.e. achieving a perfect profit solution 18:42:57 <V453000> im not comparing I am declaring them short term focused - limited - and dumb :) 18:42:59 <jrambo> mostly i care about CB (city builder) games - deliver quickly and timely, have a train limit, balance to get the best out of it 18:43:44 <V453000> look, this discussion wont get anywhere :) 18:44:09 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 18:44:24 <jrambo> well ok, i am not trying to "convert" you or anything 18:44:50 <jrambo> i look at this as a friendly disscussion with a player i respect 18:44:51 <V453000> my point of view is based on so long process of getting there that you probably wont be able to influence or skew it, sorry :) 18:44:59 <V453000> friendly discussion it is :) 18:45:41 <jrambo> on an off note; the problem with disscussions is that people are trying to influence or skew 18:45:59 *** valhalla1w has quit IRC 18:46:18 <jrambo> it would be fair to enter the disscussion with belief that you can learn a new point of view, instead of entering it with intent to force it upon another 18:46:20 <V453000> interesting off note 18:46:40 <jrambo> but i'm not going to bore others with philosophy :P 18:46:41 <V453000> well im basically saying that the new point of view would not give me anything XD 18:47:12 <jrambo> i did not imply you 18:47:17 <jrambo> :D 18:47:48 <V453000> kay :) 18:48:07 <jrambo> if i did, i would tell openly 18:48:20 <jrambo> but in everyday stuff... i think about that a lot 18:48:54 <V453000> ._. 18:49:16 <V453000> HA, okay lets conclude with argument that I wont play on goal servers because you dont use NUTS 18:49:18 <V453000> there, solved 18:49:22 <V453000> :D 18:50:02 <jrambo> heheh okay 18:50:24 <jrambo> but in my long term plans, i think about including NUTS (and some other stuff) in those games :P 18:50:36 <V453000> fuck :-D 18:51:37 <jrambo> i got to go and have dinner, talk to you again soon 18:51:48 <jrambo> (but don't worry, not about playing on goal servers :P) 18:52:14 <V453000> :D cya 18:52:17 <V453000> njoy your meal 18:53:21 <jrambo> thanks 18:53:23 <jrambo> :) 18:58:39 *** happy__ has joined #openttdcoop 19:05:02 *** happy_ has quit IRC 19:13:07 <PublicServer> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 20:11:15 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:15:54 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:15:56 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 21:19:34 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 21:21:41 *** uliko is now known as Guest3507 21:21:41 *** uliko has joined #openttdcoop 21:21:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o uliko 21:25:59 *** Guest3507 has quit IRC 21:38:39 *** Ristovski has quit IRC 21:46:17 <phatmatt> cb is cool. the speed required, and the amount of windows you have to have open so that the instant something is ready to be done, it is done 21:46:35 <phatmatt> and yes, it is optimizing for a 'unnatural' solution. but metagaming is just as much fun too 21:46:53 <phatmatt> this is, of course, assuming you're playing against a decent player. 21:48:35 <phatmatt> so yes, it turns into more of a twitch game, and that isn't for everyone. 22:16:04 *** Vinnie_nl has quit IRC 22:27:18 *** skarn has joined #openttdcoop 22:27:27 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop 22:33:54 *** skaby has quit IRC 22:44:03 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 22:45:48 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 22:52:59 *** uliko has quit IRC 23:17:12 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 23:30:08 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 23:44:55 *** sturmi has quit IRC 23:57:51 *** happy__ has quit IRC