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00:11:03 *** happpy_ has joined #openttdcoop 00:11:07 <happpy_> !date 00:11:07 <coopserver> Dec 11 2809 00:11:12 <happpy_> !players 00:11:12 <coopserver> happpy_: There are currently 1 players and 0 spectators, making a total of 1 clients connected 00:11:15 <happpy_> hi 00:14:19 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 00:17:47 *** Mark has quit IRC 00:17:47 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 00:42:45 <happpy_> gn 00:42:48 *** happpy_ has left #openttdcoop 01:11:01 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 01:17:23 *** Mark has quit IRC 01:17:23 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 01:43:33 *** liq3 has joined #openttdcoop 02:12:50 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 02:18:05 *** Mark has quit IRC 02:18:05 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 03:11:15 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 03:17:52 *** Mark has quit IRC 03:17:52 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 04:10:08 <coopserver> *** tyteen4a03 has left the game (general timeout) 04:10:09 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 04:13:07 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 04:18:20 *** Mark has quit IRC 04:18:20 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 05:11:30 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 05:18:07 *** Mark has quit IRC 05:18:07 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 05:30:33 <tyteen4a03> !pw 05:30:33 <coopserver> tyteen4a03: earned 05:30:43 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 05:30:49 <coopserver> *** tyteen4a03 has joined 05:30:50 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:30:51 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 06:02:11 *** LSky` has joined #openttdcoop 06:11:39 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 06:18:32 *** Mark has quit IRC 06:18:32 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 07:04:59 <coopserver> *** tyteen4a03 has left the game (general timeout) 07:05:00 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 07:11:46 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 07:18:40 *** Mark has quit IRC 07:18:40 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 07:23:14 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 08:13:36 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 08:18:47 *** Mark has quit IRC 08:18:47 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 08:51:17 *** Jam35_ is now known as Jam35 09:12:03 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 09:15:01 *** p3tiny has joined #openttdcoop 09:15:12 <p3tiny> yo 09:16:01 <p3tiny> just want to let you guys know that http://www.openttdcoop.org/ put me back in fron of openTTD for the last year :) The prozone archive is awesome 09:17:07 <V453000> :) nice to hear 09:17:18 <V453000> also, hi :) 09:18:09 <V453000> feel invited to come play with us :P 09:18:40 *** Mark has quit IRC 09:18:40 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 09:20:14 <p3tiny> cool, will do :) 09:50:07 *** Plonka has joined #openttdcoop 09:50:13 <Plonka> !pw 09:50:13 <coopserver> Plonka: locked 09:50:20 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 09:50:23 <coopserver> *** plonka has joined 09:50:24 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:50:25 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:52:11 <V453000> !password 09:52:11 <coopserver> V453000: mutual 09:52:19 <coopserver> *** Game paused (connecting clients) 09:52:21 <coopserver> *** V453000 has joined 09:52:22 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (connecting clients) 09:52:24 <coopserver> <V453000> heyooo 09:52:30 <coopserver> <plonka> hello v 09:52:45 <coopserver> <plonka> wow nice 09:52:48 <coopserver> <plonka> 2600 trains 09:53:17 <coopserver> <V453000> getting close to done I would say 09:53:44 <coopserver> <plonka> yes maybe could add a few more paper trains 09:53:59 <coopserver> <plonka> but whatever, we wont reach 3k i don't think 09:53:59 *** V453000 sets mode: +o Plonka 09:54:21 <coopserver> <V453000> bit far, yes ... many of the hubs have a bottleneck in the middle 09:54:29 <coopserver> <V453000> expanding those would mean quite big changew 09:54:45 <coopserver> <plonka> yep :/ 09:56:24 <coopserver> <V453000> nothing to be sad about, the result is great already :) 09:56:41 <coopserver> <V453000> for more expanding it is necessary to build things more far apart from the start 09:57:40 <coopserver> <plonka> like have a gap of say 8 tile inbetween mainlines in hubs ? 09:58:05 <coopserver> <V453000> like 30 :) 09:58:18 <coopserver> <plonka> haha ok 09:58:19 <coopserver> <V453000> it isnt so easy as giving a number 09:58:22 <coopserver> <V453000> it just needs to make sense 09:58:38 <coopserver> <V453000> like, a LL_RR super compact hub with everything atop of each other is cute and interesting to build 09:58:40 <coopserver> <plonka> ok 09:58:49 <coopserver> <V453000> but you wont expand it above 4L_4R without hell or dynamite 09:59:38 <coopserver> <V453000> if you want a record-breaking game, that is one of the key things to do :) 10:00:15 <coopserver> <plonka> yeah on the few hubs i've added a 5th to 10:00:25 <coopserver> <plonka> it was stupidily tricky 10:00:46 <coopserver> <plonka> and they are hack jobs prolly in most cases 10:01:44 <coopserver> <V453000> arr 10:02:50 <coopserver> <plonka> has anyone ever done any propper testing on which if either has better through put 10:02:57 <coopserver> <plonka> all choice to all 10:03:09 <coopserver> <plonka> or prio lines with full choice to mergers 10:03:19 <coopserver> <V453000> you cant really test that reasonably 10:03:37 <coopserver> <V453000> it isnt just throughput but it has effects on the lines and in some situations one is better over another 10:04:12 <coopserver> <plonka> i see 10:04:21 <coopserver> <V453000> and once you get above 5 lines it is usually easier to just make something pattern-ish instead of full random wtf 10:05:12 <coopserver> <plonka> ok 10:05:31 <coopserver> <plonka> i think a good tool to have in this game if it's possible 10:05:37 <coopserver> <V453000> one of the most efficient in space/throughput is the all to all with exception of lines which are "joined to" 10:06:02 <coopserver> <V453000> because it provides all necessary choices and some lines just do not need to split which saves space 10:06:32 <coopserver> <V453000> which can look like one line joins another, it can :) 10:06:49 <coopserver> <plonka> is a special peice of track that you can set to say count trains through every minute or 10 minutes or hour etc 10:06:57 <coopserver> <V453000> absolutely all to all is probably overkill later on, just due to the sheer amount of space it takes 10:07:12 <coopserver> <V453000> well you can make a counter but :/ 10:07:17 <coopserver> <plonka> yeah would take lots of space for sure 10:07:44 <coopserver> <V453000> I dont think it is so simple to just compare merger types 10:07:50 <coopserver> <V453000> everything changes the results 10:08:01 <coopserver> <V453000> trains, train length, way how you build the merger, length of choice prios, ... 10:08:21 <coopserver> <V453000> and most of the time when expanding you arent doing 100% pure one type anyway 10:08:28 <coopserver> <V453000> when space runs really low you just do ~something 10:08:52 <coopserver> <plonka> yep ok 10:09:59 <coopserver> <V453000> from my experience I think mostly getting a "successful" large-scale game needs 1. huge amount of effort, 2. good plan, 3. technical knowledge 10:10:01 <coopserver> <V453000> in that order 10:10:30 <coopserver> <V453000> just building stuff with pure effort beats anything 10:10:41 <coopserver> <V453000> ofc it needs to make some sense but that is relatively easy to do 10:10:59 <coopserver> <plonka> yeah i admit im sometimes lazy 10:11:36 <coopserver> <plonka> when expanding hubs from 2-3 or 4 i could easily stop trains and build a propper merger with choice to all 10:11:45 <coopserver> <plonka> but i rarely do 10:12:01 <coopserver> <V453000> I dont think it is necessary 10:12:07 <coopserver> <plonka> i just make the best of what i can fit without moving the initial build 10:12:12 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 10:12:18 <coopserver> <V453000> yes, that is most fun generally 10:12:50 <coopserver> <V453000> I am preparing a blog article about mainly chaos type games, but it has some hints that apply to the game in general 10:13:29 <coopserver> <V453000> if you want to read it, just register to blog.openttdcoop.org and you can see it in drafts :) 10:13:51 <coopserver> <plonka> ill go check it out now since this game is done 10:14:50 <coopserver> <V453000> also go think about the next :P 10:16:19 <coopserver> <plonka> ok :) 10:17:27 <coopserver> <plonka> ` 10:17:43 <coopserver> <plonka> ugg goto fetch the shopping in bbiab 10:19:04 *** Mark has quit IRC 10:19:04 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 10:19:52 <coopserver> *** V453000 has joined spectators 10:37:02 *** StarLite has joined #openttdcoop 10:37:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o StarLite 10:40:42 *** p3tiny has quit IRC 11:02:36 *** wicope has joined #openttdcoop 11:05:58 * Plonka slaps Plonka around a bit with a large fishbot 11:07:40 <coopserver> <V453000> :D did it hit? 11:07:47 <coopserver> <plonka> haha yes 11:08:04 <coopserver> <plonka> how do i find this draft on th blog? 11:08:25 <coopserver> <V453000> you need to enter the wordpress dashboard and then there it is somewhere in Posts 11:10:45 <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/?p=1139&preview=true 11:10:47 <V453000> try that 11:12:26 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 11:19:14 *** Mark has quit IRC 11:19:14 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 11:23:03 <Plonka> NOPE IT SAYS 404 11:23:06 <Plonka> oops caps 11:24:51 <Plonka> hi mark 11:25:46 <Mark> :) 11:25:58 <Mark> it works for me 11:26:05 <Mark> you need a blog account 11:26:10 <Mark> not a wiki one 11:26:12 <Mark> i think 11:26:26 <V453000> that. 11:26:48 <Mark> theres not much there too read yet anyway :P 11:27:07 <V453000> the text is actually done, just needs images 11:27:15 <Mark> oh 11:27:15 <Plonka> i just made a blog account i thought :/ 11:27:21 <Mark> i cant see it all then 11:28:16 <Mark> ah it works now 11:28:17 <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/peznhougt 11:28:48 <V453000> xd ok this isnt complete 11:28:50 <V453000> meh 11:28:56 <V453000> just see it at the blog :P it should work 11:30:52 <Plonka> yeah i can see that 11:31:06 <V453000> sure, paste is for everybody without any login 11:31:09 <V453000> for blog you need to log in 11:31:18 <Mark> nice reading 11:31:25 <Mark> will do a thorough read when its done ;) 11:31:30 <Mark> looks interesting 11:31:34 <Mark> im off to bed now 11:31:39 <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/wp-admin/ 11:31:51 <V453000> gnight mark 11:32:28 <Plonka> gn 11:32:59 <Plonka> yeah i have a blog account as i can now post comments on entries 11:33:14 <Plonka> so ive no idea why the fisrt link doesn't work 11:33:36 <V453000> can you get to the wp-admin? 11:33:50 <Plonka> yes 11:34:37 <tyteen4a03> !pw 11:34:37 <coopserver> tyteen4a03: trucks 11:35:01 <coopserver> *** Game paused (connecting clients) 11:35:07 <coopserver> *** tyteen4a03 has joined 11:35:08 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (connecting clients) 11:35:10 <V453000> then you should be able to see Posts there? 11:36:35 <tyteen4a03> btw grats Plonka :) 11:37:15 <Plonka> yeah i have an @next to my name 1337 :) 11:37:29 <tyteen4a03> the twirly @ 11:40:12 <coopserver> *** tyteen4a03 has left the game (Leaving) 11:46:15 <coopserver> *** V453000 has left the game (Leaving) 12:12:37 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 12:19:27 *** Mark has quit IRC 12:19:27 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 13:14:28 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:38 *** Mark has quit IRC 13:19:38 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 13:42:03 <coopserver> *** plonka has joined spectators 13:42:04 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:02:57 <Plonka> happy 14:06:11 <Plonka> join openttdcoop welcome server 14:06:40 <Plonka> join #openttdcoop welcome server 14:08:23 <Jam35> : /join #openttdcoop.stable 14:08:30 <Plonka> !help 14:08:30 <coopserver> Plonka: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Soap 14:10:23 *** Progman has quit IRC 14:10:30 <Jam35> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html 14:10:31 <Webster> Title: #Beginner - IRC Commands, the Basics (at www.ircbeginner.com) 14:12:15 <Plonka> thx jam 14:12:55 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 14:13:28 <Plonka> btw jam 14:13:36 <Plonka> i just registered my nickname 14:13:48 <Plonka> but on this chat i sceen i can see my password 14:13:59 <Plonka> is that only visible to me or to all? 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