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Log for #openttdcoop on 2nd May 2015:
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00:11:07  <happpy_> !date
00:11:07  <coopserver> Dec 11 2809
00:11:12  <happpy_> !players
00:11:12  <coopserver> happpy_: There are currently 1 players and 0 spectators, making a total of 1 clients connected
00:11:15  <happpy_> hi
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00:42:45  <happpy_> gn
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05:30:33  <tyteen4a03> !pw
05:30:33  <coopserver> tyteen4a03: earned
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09:15:12  <p3tiny> yo
09:16:01  <p3tiny> just want to let you guys know that http://www.openttdcoop.org/ put me back in fron of openTTD for the last year :) The prozone archive is awesome
09:17:07  <V453000> :) nice to hear
09:17:18  <V453000> also, hi :)
09:18:09  <V453000> feel invited to come play with us :P
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09:20:14  <p3tiny> cool, will do :)
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09:50:13  <Plonka> !pw
09:50:13  <coopserver> Plonka: locked
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09:52:11  <V453000> !password
09:52:11  <coopserver> V453000: mutual
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09:52:24  <coopserver> <V453000> heyooo
09:52:30  <coopserver> <plonka> hello v
09:52:45  <coopserver> <plonka> wow nice
09:52:48  <coopserver> <plonka> 2600 trains
09:53:17  <coopserver> <V453000> getting close to done I would say
09:53:44  <coopserver> <plonka> yes maybe could add a few more paper trains
09:53:59  <coopserver> <plonka> but whatever, we wont reach 3k i don't think
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09:54:21  <coopserver> <V453000> bit far, yes ... many of the hubs have a bottleneck in the middle
09:54:29  <coopserver> <V453000> expanding those would mean quite big changew
09:54:45  <coopserver> <plonka> yep :/
09:56:24  <coopserver> <V453000> nothing to be sad about, the result is great already :)
09:56:41  <coopserver> <V453000> for more expanding it is necessary to build things more far apart from the start
09:57:40  <coopserver> <plonka> like have a gap of say 8 tile inbetween mainlines in hubs ?
09:58:05  <coopserver> <V453000> like 30 :)
09:58:18  <coopserver> <plonka> haha ok
09:58:19  <coopserver> <V453000> it isnt so easy as giving a number
09:58:22  <coopserver> <V453000> it just needs to make sense
09:58:38  <coopserver> <V453000> like, a LL_RR super compact hub with everything atop of each other is cute and interesting to build
09:58:40  <coopserver> <plonka> ok
09:58:49  <coopserver> <V453000> but you wont expand it above 4L_4R without hell or dynamite
09:59:38  <coopserver> <V453000> if you want a record-breaking game, that is one of the key things to do :)
10:00:15  <coopserver> <plonka> yeah on the few hubs i've added a 5th to
10:00:25  <coopserver> <plonka> it was stupidily tricky
10:00:46  <coopserver> <plonka> and they are hack jobs prolly in most cases
10:01:44  <coopserver> <V453000> arr
10:02:50  <coopserver> <plonka> has anyone ever  done any propper testing on which if either has better through put
10:02:57  <coopserver> <plonka> all choice to all
10:03:09  <coopserver> <plonka> or prio lines with full choice to mergers
10:03:19  <coopserver> <V453000> you cant really test that reasonably
10:03:37  <coopserver> <V453000> it isnt just throughput but it has effects on the lines and in some situations one is better over another
10:04:12  <coopserver> <plonka> i see
10:04:21  <coopserver> <V453000> and once you get above 5 lines it is usually easier to just make something pattern-ish instead of full random wtf
10:05:12  <coopserver> <plonka> ok
10:05:31  <coopserver> <plonka> i think a good tool to have in this game if it's possible
10:05:37  <coopserver> <V453000> one of the most efficient in space/throughput is the all to all with exception of lines which are "joined to"
10:06:02  <coopserver> <V453000> because it provides all necessary choices and some lines just do not need to split which saves space
10:06:32  <coopserver> <V453000> which can look like one line joins another, it can :)
10:06:49  <coopserver> <plonka> is a special peice of track that you can set to say count trains through every minute or 10 minutes or hour etc
10:06:57  <coopserver> <V453000> absolutely all to all is probably overkill later on, just due to the sheer amount of space it takes
10:07:12  <coopserver> <V453000> well you can make a counter but :/
10:07:17  <coopserver> <plonka> yeah would take lots of space for sure
10:07:44  <coopserver> <V453000> I dont think it is so simple to just compare merger types
10:07:50  <coopserver> <V453000> everything changes the results
10:08:01  <coopserver> <V453000> trains, train length, way how you build the merger, length of choice prios, ...
10:08:21  <coopserver> <V453000> and most of the time when expanding you arent doing 100% pure one type anyway
10:08:28  <coopserver> <V453000> when space runs really low you just do ~something
10:08:52  <coopserver> <plonka> yep ok
10:09:59  <coopserver> <V453000> from my experience I think mostly getting a "successful" large-scale game needs 1. huge amount of effort, 2. good plan, 3. technical knowledge
10:10:01  <coopserver> <V453000> in that order
10:10:30  <coopserver> <V453000> just building stuff with pure effort beats anything
10:10:41  <coopserver> <V453000> ofc it needs to make some sense but that is relatively easy to do
10:10:59  <coopserver> <plonka> yeah i admit im sometimes lazy
10:11:36  <coopserver> <plonka> when expanding hubs from 2-3 or 4  i could easily stop trains and build a propper merger with choice to all
10:11:45  <coopserver> <plonka> but i rarely do
10:12:01  <coopserver> <V453000> I dont think it is necessary
10:12:07  <coopserver> <plonka> i just make the best of what i can fit without moving the initial build
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10:12:18  <coopserver> <V453000> yes, that is most fun generally
10:12:50  <coopserver> <V453000> I am preparing a blog article about mainly chaos type games, but it has some hints that apply to the game in general
10:13:29  <coopserver> <V453000> if you want to read it, just register to blog.openttdcoop.org and you can see it in drafts :)
10:13:51  <coopserver> <plonka> ill go check it out now since this game is done
10:14:50  <coopserver> <V453000> also go think about the next :P
10:16:19  <coopserver> <plonka> ok :)
10:17:27  <coopserver> <plonka> `
10:17:43  <coopserver> <plonka> ugg goto fetch the shopping in bbiab
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11:05:58  * Plonka slaps Plonka around a bit with a large fishbot
11:07:40  <coopserver> <V453000> :D did it hit?
11:07:47  <coopserver> <plonka> haha yes
11:08:04  <coopserver> <plonka> how do i find this draft on th blog?
11:08:25  <coopserver> <V453000> you need to enter the wordpress dashboard and then there it is somewhere in Posts
11:10:45  <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/?p=1139&preview=true
11:10:47  <V453000> try that
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11:23:03  <Plonka> NOPE IT SAYS 404
11:23:06  <Plonka> oops caps
11:24:51  <Plonka> hi mark
11:25:46  <Mark> :)
11:25:58  <Mark> it works for me
11:26:05  <Mark> you need a blog account
11:26:10  <Mark> not a wiki one
11:26:12  <Mark> i think
11:26:26  <V453000> that.
11:26:48  <Mark> theres not much there too read yet anyway :P
11:27:07  <V453000> the text is actually done, just needs images
11:27:15  <Mark> oh
11:27:15  <Plonka> i just made a blog account i thought :/
11:27:21  <Mark> i cant see it all then
11:28:16  <Mark> ah it works now
11:28:17  <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/peznhougt
11:28:48  <V453000> xd ok this isnt complete
11:28:50  <V453000> meh
11:28:56  <V453000> just see it at the blog :P it should work
11:30:52  <Plonka> yeah i can see that
11:31:06  <V453000> sure, paste is for everybody without any login
11:31:09  <V453000>  for blog you need to log in
11:31:18  <Mark> nice reading
11:31:25  <Mark> will do a thorough read when its done ;)
11:31:30  <Mark> looks interesting
11:31:34  <Mark> im off to bed now
11:31:39  <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/wp-admin/
11:31:51  <V453000> gnight mark
11:32:28  <Plonka> gn
11:32:59  <Plonka> yeah i have a blog account as i can now post comments on entries
11:33:14  <Plonka> so ive no idea why the fisrt link doesn't work
11:33:36  <V453000> can you get to the wp-admin?
11:33:50  <Plonka> yes
11:34:37  <tyteen4a03> !pw
11:34:37  <coopserver> tyteen4a03: trucks
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11:35:10  <V453000> then you should be able to see Posts there?
11:36:35  <tyteen4a03> btw grats Plonka :)
11:37:15  <Plonka> yeah i have an @next to my name 1337 :)
11:37:29  <tyteen4a03> the twirly @
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14:02:57  <Plonka> happy
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14:08:30  <Plonka> !help
14:08:30  <coopserver> Plonka: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Soap
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14:10:30  <Jam35> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
14:10:31  <Webster> Title: #Beginner - IRC Commands, the Basics (at www.ircbeginner.com)
14:12:15  <Plonka> thx jam
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14:13:28  <Plonka> btw jam
14:13:36  <Plonka> i just registered my nickname
14:13:48  <Plonka> but on this chat i sceen i can see my password
14:13:59  <Plonka> is that only visible to me or to all?
14:14:43  <Jam35> any messages to chanserv or nickserv are seen only by you
14:16:12  <Plonka> ok
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22:39:56  <Ramsus08191> !password
22:39:56  <coopserver> Ramsus08191: breaks
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