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00:23:01 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 08:30:33 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop.dev 09:26:43 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:26:44 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 09:31:18 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (leaving) 09:37:20 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:37:22 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 09:38:34 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 09:39:28 <planetmaker> !rcon save yacd22_1 09:39:28 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Saving map... 09:39:29 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to yacd22_1.sav 09:39:33 <planetmaker> !rcon restart 09:39:34 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 09:40:40 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 09:40:42 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:43:05 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:43:08 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth joined the game 09:43:12 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hi hi 09:44:50 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has started a new company (#1) 09:44:50 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:47:55 <planetmaker> hello folks :-) 09:48:29 <planetmaker> peter, andy: if you have a specific map you want to play, that's of course also possible 09:49:27 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> random's fine by me 09:49:37 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> so, co-op or individual? 09:49:48 <planetmaker> you can do what you like 09:49:59 <planetmaker> it's the dev server, there are no hard rules 09:50:05 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, i was mostly asking andy :D 09:50:10 <planetmaker> :-D k 09:50:43 <planetmaker> !ip 09:50:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: mz.openttdcoop.org 09:52:01 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has started a new company (#2) 09:52:14 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 09:52:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ho 09:52:40 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hello stranger :D 09:52:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> small map :-) 10:08:18 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (connection lost) 10:14:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: it's not a good idea to have your bus wait on the level crossings for months 10:14:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at Honfingford 10:14:17 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> :) 10:17:43 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has started a new company (#3) 10:22:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, there are WAY too many steel mills 10:23:32 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth joined the game 10:24:22 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 10:24:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> where are all the industry types? 10:24:53 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth is confused 10:28:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... it is difficult to think of a good money maker 10:28:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> if you like you can join me, Terkhen 10:28:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I try to establish a heavy industry chain, starting with ore + steel 10:28:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know that pax works with yacd. Now I need to try industries first ;-) 10:29:36 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has joined company #1 10:29:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I just finished a metal game with FIRS, I prefer passengers this time :) 10:29:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> fair enough 10:30:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> s/finished/reached the vehicle limit/ 10:31:06 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has started a new company (#4) 10:39:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> flat maps are strange 10:39:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I can build routes anywhere I like :P 10:40:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm used to maps more flat than this one 10:40:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm lazy :P 10:40:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> even more flat? That borders to real lazyness indeed ;-) 10:41:54 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> heh 10:46:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> as usual I'm heading for bankruptcy 10:46:42 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth looks at terkhens routes 10:47:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :o 10:47:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oh, a subsidy in one of my lines 10:47:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> that's quite a lot of investment there 10:47:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, I tend to build too big :P 10:48:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> mostly because I don't like rebuilding stuff later 10:48:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just start small. Don't re-build but extend 10:49:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... station spread is set to insane levels 10:49:16 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yup 10:49:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you don't need to use it ;-) 10:50:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I suppose there is no way for passengers to jump between networks of different companies 10:51:06 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> unfortunately not 10:54:05 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> is inflation on? 10:54:19 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> no 10:54:26 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> (why didn't i look first, hehe) 10:56:22 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> well, i'm out of money :p 10:57:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> who's winning? 11:01:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I'm almost out of money too 11:01:13 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i'm making money... slowly... 11:01:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I wonder if getting into mail too was a good idea 11:01:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I will probably crash my trains at some point 11:01:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I always forget I can't pause in MP 11:01:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> heh :D 11:02:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> my buses are losing money 11:02:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> the boats available here are frankly crap 11:02:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, they are. 11:02:48 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah 11:02:54 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> someone should make a decent ship set 11:03:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> had I not just used rcon restart, I'd have configured some newgrfs 11:03:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> this is a nicegame, but maybe we should...improve it 11:03:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> new boats 11:03:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> maybe...more industries? 11:03:47 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> there's loads 11:03:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> more types? 11:04:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, there are too many industries already, I would lower the amount a bit 11:04:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> moar cargos 11:04:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> we could add a few more chains with opengfx+ industries 11:05:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> shall I stop extending my routes then? :P 11:05:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> or do we play this one out? 11:05:30 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i'd like to play it out 11:05:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> me too 11:05:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok 11:06:30 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:06:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:06:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> nice to not have to ever click refit 11:07:12 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> :p 11:07:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> or forgetting to refit :) 11:07:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 11:07:19 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah 11:07:29 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i wish the cargo filter could do auto-refit 11:07:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> there should be a way 11:07:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles! 11:08:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I remember discussing automatic refit from cargo filter... we found a big problem but I don't remember which one 11:10:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, ok. I state that also fright YACD is quite well feasible 11:11:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> freight yacd is feasible 11:11:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> All it takes is to actually look a bit 11:11:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm just losing money on PAX 11:11:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> my cash is in coal 11:11:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> on pax? 11:11:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have some loss making buses 11:11:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't set up my PAX network with any care 11:12:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I should try freight yacd some time 11:12:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> but passengers are fun 11:13:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> playing fright is much different from default, though. much more than pa 11:13:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> pax 11:14:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, with freight I always start with something easy such as coal -> power plant 11:14:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> but with yacd it becomes more difficult 11:15:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah, one has to think in routes 11:15:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... the last two ore mines are not really worthwhile 11:15:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though... maybe 11:16:09 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, with pax you can just plonk things down knowing that it'll work out eventually 11:16:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes :) 11:16:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> indeed 11:17:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I wonder why everybody wants to go to Peningwell 11:17:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with you, too? 11:17:48 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hmm 11:17:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have 200 passengers sitting at stations because I don't have enough buses in that link 11:18:16 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> wonder how long it takes to go from great flinhill west to chunnington :) 11:18:42 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth nearly out of money :( 11:18:44 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> 5 changes 11:18:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 5 is not many 11:18:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> it is quite a big trip :) 11:18:55 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (connection lost) 11:19:16 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 11:19:24 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has joined company #2 11:20:03 *** Ammler sets mode: +v IwantGoThere 11:21:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm.... I need money 11:21:25 <V453000> activity? :D 11:21:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> how do I send money? 11:21:39 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> you need money to send money 11:21:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have money 11:21:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 50p 11:21:51 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hrh 11:21:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :D 11:22:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> in comparison I'm rich 11:22:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> not anymore :( 11:22:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I never ran out :-P 11:23:05 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> planetmaker's winning then :p 11:23:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no by profits 11:23:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we're all quite close 11:23:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> mine is much more up and down than terkhen's 11:24:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I guess passengers are more reliable 11:24:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> cargo is more volatile, yes 11:26:10 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 joined the game 11:26:12 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi ladies 11:26:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hi young lady 11:26:32 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi hi 11:26:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hi V453000 11:27:36 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth baby duties 11:28:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 11:28:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> no pause 11:28:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :P 11:34:43 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> he's making money now he's not here ;p 11:34:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sure 11:35:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I miss having trams or metro trains 11:35:33 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> busses do a good job as well :) 11:35:35 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> and the map's too small to bother with aircraft 11:35:45 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> aircraft sucks ass :P 11:36:00 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> not on a 512x512, with 70% water :D 11:36:06 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth wants to run some planes 11:36:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but no towns are big enough yet 11:36:22 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> planes suck, regardless of the map 11:36:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> aircraft are a money pitwith yacd 11:36:30 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> it is dumb, you just place 2 airports and done 11:37:14 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hey this is the map I made some time ago :D 11:37:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> V453000: it should be a random one afaik 11:37:34 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> no 11:37:41 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> I even remember it 11:37:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or the same as before. dunno which 11:37:51 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> not like it matters :p 11:38:00 <Ammler> restart uses the same map 11:38:10 <Ammler> newgame makes a new one, afaik 11:38:45 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> does the server have newgrfs loaded/updated/available? 11:39:20 <Ammler> same server as .stable 11:39:28 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> ok :) 11:39:38 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> so bananas only? 11:39:46 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (connection lost) 11:40:17 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 11:42:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> brb 11:42:31 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 11:51:31 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 11:51:37 <V453000> have fun :p 11:52:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I think we have ;-) 11:53:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 11:53:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> some of my buses now make a profit 11:59:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what yacd is missing is a view "this industry accepts from X Y and Z" 11:59:36 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yes 11:59:54 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> in fact that's more logical than the existing view 12:00:05 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> if you assume that companies choose their supplier 12:00:20 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 12:00:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oooh, I have money 12:01:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so conditional orders are said to mess up things? 12:01:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have never tried them with yacd 12:02:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's see. My RV 3 will have some 12:07:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> towns grow quite fast 12:08:06 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> with lots of stations, yeah 12:08:21 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> and i can't put stops on your roads :( 12:08:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> IIRC there is a setting for that 12:08:54 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah 12:08:56 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> it's off 12:09:16 <V453000> !rcon set town_growt_rate 12:09:16 <IwantGoThere> V453000: 'town_growt_rate' is an unknown setting. 12:09:20 <V453000> !rcon set town_growth_rate 12:09:20 <IwantGoThere> V453000: Current value for 'town_growth_rate' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4) 12:09:46 <V453000> set on slowest possible :) 12:10:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I should learn to make proper train networks 12:11:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 12:12:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: which setting name is that? 12:12:47 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> no idea 12:12:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> road_stop_on_competitor_road 12:13:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well, then I can't change it ;-) Ok 12:13:03 <V453000> road_stop_on_competitor_road 12:13:06 <V453000> ye 12:13:16 <planetmaker> !rcon set road_stop_on_competitor_road 1 12:13:20 <planetmaker> should be on now 12:15:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... my network is quite ugly ;-) 12:15:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yacd often requires adjustments 12:15:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and bg 12:15:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> big :P 12:16:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some redundant lines, yes 12:16:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> and confusing :P 12:16:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not at all. It's basically a circle now 12:16:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with some stations acting as somewhat hub ones 12:16:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> when you only know lines, circles are confusing :P 12:17:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) circle line, you know ;-) 12:17:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but no such route is actually serviced :-P 12:19:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... one should explicitly add stations which one wants to be visited 12:20:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or they suddenly are not visited anymore when the network layout changes ;-) 12:30:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> towns grow faster than my money :P 12:30:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sounds too fast ;-) 12:30:33 <planetmaker> !rcon set town_growth_rate 12:30:33 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Current value for 'town_growth_rate' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4) 12:30:40 <planetmaker> hm... it's to min 12:30:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or did V change that? 12:31:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I think he just checked that it was at the minimum already 12:32:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... 12:32:07 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 12:32:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... not good. A fully loaded ore train heading for amine :S 12:32:49 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 12:37:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... conditional orders were the reason it seems. Let's see how it works without 12:38:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :/ 12:51:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 12:51:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> peter is winningest 12:52:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> by which standards? 12:52:18 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, by whose? 12:52:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> income 12:52:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> operating profit 12:52:35 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> nope 12:52:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's terkhen 12:52:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> oh :m 12:53:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but I reached the stage where I look around more than I built ;-) 12:53:02 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth will try harder 12:53:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm just adding new trains when needed 12:53:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I should turn bus lines into train lines before they collapse but that's boring 12:54:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... I established a very bad link... 12:55:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's put dedicated service to that ;-) 12:55:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and not carry cargo for a 20 tile travel like 300 tiles 13:03:14 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 13:03:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh 13:04:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> all my goods trains lose money 13:31:37 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 13:32:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: could you possibly re-arrange your stations a bit around Sonnley Heihts etc? 13:32:39 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth looks 13:32:49 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (desync error) 13:32:57 <Terkhen> ooh, interesting 13:32:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you built that stuff that no expansion of my tracks is feasible anymore 13:33:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm :-( 13:33:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: yes, but it will take a bit of work with the bridges 13:33:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's turn desync debugging 13:33:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> few minutes 13:33:30 <Terkhen> ok, I was just building track :P 13:33:40 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> you can't 13:33:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: it's not urgent, but would be nice 13:33:50 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yacd crashes instantly with debug desync on 13:33:52 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 13:34:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: right, there was something.... let's skip that then 13:34:08 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has joined company #4 13:36:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> l 13:36:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: done 13:37:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thanks a lot 13:37:26 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (leaving) 13:40:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> is refilling a lake against the rules? :P 13:43:34 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 13:46:59 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth needs more cargo to condtown factory 13:50:27 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> tnm 13:56:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, andy is stealing my wood ;-) 13:56:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can I steal wood too? 13:57:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> sounds fun 13:58:40 <Ammler> !url 13:58:40 <IwantGoThere> Ammler: www.openttdcoop.org 14:00:44 <Ammler> !reload config 14:00:44 <IwantGoThere> Ammler: config reloaded 14:00:46 <Ammler> !url 14:00:46 <IwantGoThere> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/servers/mz 14:01:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> heh, what happened with profits? 14:02:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you guys started transporting stuff where I transport - something I did not plan for :-P 14:03:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> probably me 14:03:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yup :-P 14:03:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> is that rude 14:03:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ? 14:03:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... only passengers in my case 14:03:49 <Ammler> no, but fun :-) 14:03:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you can' steal passengers from me, Terkhen;-) 14:04:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I've none :-P 14:04:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: depends on the server rules 14:04:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I don't like it ;-) 14:04:38 <Ammler> yacd might even be better for competition 14:05:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> in the server where I play competition is encouraged, but the maps are huge and we usually don't compete against each other unless we need to 14:06:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oh, things are back to normal :) 14:06:16 <Ammler> planetmaker: andy does transport wood on same link? 14:06:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 14:06:28 <Ammler> hehe 14:06:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well, I've a few rating tricks up my sleeve. I can deal with that ;-) 14:07:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't notice you'd completed that link :) 14:07:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I just want the cargo delivered 14:07:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but came as a surprise and I'd have setup differently in places 14:07:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :( 14:07:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> you killed my bus 14:07:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> who? Me? 14:07:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> me 14:07:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you want I build a bridge there? 14:07:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes 14:08:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> there, bridge placed 14:08:08 <Ammler> andy, the evil guy 14:08:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, I too. Sorry 14:08:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> now you have to talk to the driver's family 14:08:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there, buy a new one ;-) 14:09:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... though the driver might be hard to 'buy' 14:09:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> andythenorth: the wood trains at Honfingford are going to cause an accident soon 14:10:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I can't build a road bridge there because peter owns the road 14:11:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> sorted 14:11:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> thanks :) 14:11:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> now my valuables truck drivers are safe 14:11:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> there is no "valuables truck stolen" disaster, right? 14:16:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> wtf. Industries close with trains opperating with 'full load' :S 14:17:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yup 14:18:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> why? 14:19:17 <Ammler> maybe that should be changed in the code 14:19:35 <Ammler> drivers don't die on accidents 14:20:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh 14:20:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm now in third place 14:21:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no, me 14:21:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I look at profit, not performance ;) 14:21:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> buying statues was too expensive ;-) 14:21:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, also there 14:22:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> true, statues 14:22:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, I hate competition for industries :S 14:22:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh 14:23:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> great flinhill hates me 14:23:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> they used to hate me too, but they like trees 14:23:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you left no gaps for me 14:23:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :P 14:24:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> clear the trees, once your rating reaches appalling it can't go down further 14:24:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> then you replant them :P 14:24:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ho 14:24:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't know that 14:24:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... routes also change 14:24:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> change how? 14:24:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as in other destinations 14:25:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yes 14:25:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but if enough network is connected, it matters less 14:25:38 <Terkhen> oh :/ 14:25:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> passengers are more reliable :P 14:28:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, about done this map 14:29:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok 14:29:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> terkhen wins 14:29:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> time for a FIRS + yacd game 14:29:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :P 14:29:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :P 14:29:28 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> lotsa newgrfs ;p 14:29:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> cooperative or competitive? :P 14:29:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: collaborative? 14:29:48 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> IS2! :p 14:29:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we'll get more cargo moving faster 14:29:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> IS works with yacd? 14:30:13 <IwantGoThere> * Terkhen does not mind as long as he can play with passengers 14:30:27 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth will pretend terkhen is an AI 14:30:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Oh, no need to stop, if you don't want to :-) 14:30:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But it feels 'done' to me :-) 14:30:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we could use FISH nightly if you don't mind some brokenness 14:30:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can we use 2cc? I love the metro trains for yacd 14:31:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> does 2cc have freight cars yet? 14:31:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I don't like anything else in the set, though 14:31:10 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth hasn't tried it for a while 14:31:36 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> does it use railtypes for metro? 14:31:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> can we use nightly grfs, or is that too complicated? 14:32:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> not by itself, I suppose nutracks does it 14:32:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ha 14:32:36 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth just beat terkhen on performance rating 14:32:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> lets stop now 14:32:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :D 14:32:44 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> heh 14:32:54 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> pikka's 3rd rail track is nicer than the metro track 14:33:00 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> that yellow thing is just ugly 14:33:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ukrs + add ons? 14:33:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> that's easy, I only transport two types of cargos :P 14:33:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have never played with ukrs 14:33:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> (ukrs 2) 14:33:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> as long as it has high passenger capacity I don't mind the train set 14:33:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> start around 1900, UKRS 2 14:33:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what truck set though? 14:34:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> egrvts still fails with realistic acceleration :/ 14:34:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yes 14:34:16 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> realistic isn't on 14:34:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 14:34:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you all use a lame amount of rvs 14:34:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have more than the rest of you added together 14:34:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> opengfx+ road vehicles now looks fine, but it shares the same problems than the default vehicles regarding capacity and costs 14:34:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> HEQS should get in, but it is not complete by itself 14:35:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I am bored of eGRVTS 14:35:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> me too 14:35:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> lets use opengfx+ then 14:35:20 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> what else is there? 14:35:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> not a lot 14:36:25 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> who sets it up? 14:36:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> we can add generic trams to have trams with higher capacity than those of opengfx+ road vehicles 14:37:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> anyone keen on providing a configured map then? 14:37:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> how much water? 14:37:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what size map? 14:37:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> <= 512^2 14:38:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> flat-ish? 14:38:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> 512x256 or 512x512 IMO 14:38:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 512x256 is more fun for yacd 14:38:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> FISH, HEQS, opengfx+ road vehicles, generic trams 14:38:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not flatter than here, I'd say ;-) But that really depends 14:38:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> CHIPS 14:38:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> FIRS? ogfx+trains? 14:39:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> ok 14:39:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> use also the climate dependent airports ;-), looks nicer 14:39:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... if we are going to use aircrafts we need a grf for that too 14:39:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> the default ones have too small capacities 14:39:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> av8 14:40:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes 14:40:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and general av8ion 14:40:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you need some low cap aircraft for yacd 14:40:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> true :) 14:40:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm going to look at a savegame so I'll disconnect 14:40:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can you set % of cities to zero? 14:40:51 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth -> irc 14:40:55 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (leaving) 14:41:32 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (connection lost) 14:41:48 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 14:42:02 <Terkhen> gah, highlighting myself is annoying 14:42:41 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth joined the game 14:43:04 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth has a baby interruption 14:43:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> can someone else make the map? 14:43:31 <Terkhen> I'll do it 14:43:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> do we all have access to a nightly FISH? 14:43:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> it has useful ships in it for yacd 14:43:56 <Terkhen> which one do you want to use? 14:44:06 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> only stuff on bananas 14:44:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok 14:44:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> nvm 14:44:33 <Terkhen> ok 14:44:37 <planetmaker> Terkhen: guess why my ingame name is planetm4ker and not planetmaker ;-) 14:44:53 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> so just release it :p 14:45:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> graphics are gash 14:49:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what's the irc channel for this server? 14:49:34 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/newgrf.png <--- what am I forgetting? 14:49:38 <Terkhen> #openttdcoop.dev 14:50:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> Terkhen CHIPS 14:50:56 <Terkhen> added 14:51:32 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 14:51:37 <andythenorth_> pow 14:51:45 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (leaving) 14:52:03 <Ammler> Terkhen: stations sets 14:52:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 14:52:47 <Terkhen> which ones should I add? 14:52:47 <andythenorth> Terkhen: expensive slow short bridges? 14:53:06 <planetmaker> nah 14:53:09 <IwantGoThere> <petererer> ANDY'S GOT A JAM 14:53:35 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.dev 14:53:49 <Ammler> Terkhen: you don't need to chose station sets, just add all you think :-) 14:53:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 14:53:56 <planetmaker> :-) 14:53:58 <andythenorth> that's annoying 14:54:05 <planetmaker> Terkhen: maybe ogfx+landscape? 14:54:13 <Terkhen> I don't know any station sets besides chips and isr 14:54:18 <Terkhen> planetmaker: ok :) 14:54:28 <planetmaker> only if others agree / want 14:54:30 <andythenorth> I am trying life without ISR 14:54:51 <Terkhen> oh, and climate dependent airports 14:54:52 <Ammler> possible? 14:54:58 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (leaving) 14:54:58 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:55:05 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, sure ,those 14:55:21 <planetmaker> meanwhile they're called opengfx+ airports in newer versions :-P 14:55:29 <andythenorth> let me know when it's done :) 14:55:35 <andythenorth> 45% water? 14:55:45 <andythenorth> FIRS needs 'industry high' for YACD 14:55:50 <andythenorth> or you don't get enough primary 14:56:00 <andythenorth> unfortunately you get too much secondary :P 14:56:11 <Terkhen> planetmaker: has it been released under the "opengfx+ airports" name already? I don't have it and I just updated 14:56:19 <planetmaker> starting year also 1950? Terkhen swedish rails, if you use arctic 14:56:23 <andythenorth> industry closure on or off? 14:56:33 <planetmaker> Terkhen: no new release yet 14:56:37 <Terkhen> arctic, 1950, 45% water, swedish rails 14:56:47 <planetmaker> also not "worth" as nothing changed except the programming language 14:56:51 <andythenorth> hmm 14:57:02 <andythenorth> FIRS will be seriously out of date if we use 0.6.4 :P 14:57:04 <andythenorth> nvm 14:57:07 <planetmaker> swedish houses? 14:57:42 <planetmaker> soon we're at my favourite list of newgrfs ;-) 14:59:29 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/newgrf.png 14:59:47 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 15:00:35 <andythenorth> we should play :) 15:00:40 <andythenorth> what FIRS settings? 15:00:59 <planetmaker> hm... the dwe station tiles are nice, too :-) 15:01:07 <Terkhen> default 15:01:11 <planetmaker> but it definitely doesn't matter 15:01:15 <planetmaker> and andy's right 15:01:19 <Terkhen> I have not touched parameters at all 15:01:38 <Terkhen> I'll enable alpine 15:02:24 <planetmaker> if you enable alpine you can also enable the opengfx tunnels ;-) 15:02:31 <planetmaker> within SER 15:02:35 <Terkhen> hilly terrain, 45% water? 15:02:38 <Terkhen> SER? 15:02:45 *** peter1138 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:02:49 <planetmaker> swedish rails. hm... 15:02:53 <Terkhen> oh, ok :) 15:03:03 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:03:04 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 15:03:05 <planetmaker> they don't match alpine terrain, did they? 15:03:13 <planetmaker> well, nvm 15:03:22 <Terkhen> and it says "not multiplayer safe" 15:04:06 <planetmaker> yes, as they fit opengfx landscape 15:04:21 <planetmaker> but with opengfx landscape activated via newgrf... 15:04:28 <planetmaker> I should detect and auto-set that ;-) 15:04:45 <Terkhen> ok 15:04:54 <Terkhen> so... nothing missing then? :) 15:05:23 <planetmaker> I don't think so 15:05:45 <planetmaker> "multiplayer unsave" only that it cannot match TTD and OpenGFX at the same time 15:06:23 <planetmaker> thus tunnels can only be replaced, if you replace the COMPLETE landscape 15:07:20 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/screenshot.png <--- are you sure about "high" number of industries? :P 15:08:50 <Terkhen> devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/yacd.sav 15:08:51 <planetmaker> that's ok, I think 15:09:07 <planetmaker> !getsave http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/yacd.sav 15:09:07 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: OK :-) 15:09:14 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav 15:09:14 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd.sav: No such file or directory. 15:09:18 <planetmaker> !rcon pwd 15:09:18 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: /home/ottdc/svn-yacd/autopilot/save/ 15:09:24 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 15:09:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 15:09:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 15:09:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 15:09:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) yacd22_1.sav 15:09:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) restart.sav 15:09:25 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have one more message 15:09:29 <planetmaker> !rcon uploads 15:09:29 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found 15:09:33 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd 15:09:33 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd: No such file or directory. 15:09:36 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav 15:09:36 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd.sav: No such file or directory. 15:09:40 <planetmaker> !rcon los 15:09:40 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found 15:09:42 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) yacd22_1.sav 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) restart.sav 15:09:43 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have one more message 15:09:52 <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads 15:09:56 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 15:09:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 15:09:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) yacd.sav 15:09:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) Yacd03_clean.sav 15:09:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) Yacd01_db.sav 15:09:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) Yacd02_clean.sav 15:10:01 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav 15:10:04 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:10:04 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:10:06 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 15:10:22 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:10:24 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:10:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... this is *something* else 15:10:47 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:10:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> newgrf missing probably :S 15:10:49 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game 15:10:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... 15:11:04 <planetmaker> !rcon content update 15:11:06 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving) 15:11:09 <planetmaker> !rcon content select all 15:11:14 <planetmaker> !rcon content update 15:11:18 <planetmaker> !update 15:11:24 <planetmaker> !rcon update 15:11:24 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found 15:11:41 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav 15:11:44 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:11:44 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:11:46 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 15:11:47 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:12:16 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:12:19 <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen joined the game 15:12:26 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> hmm... 15:12:27 <planetmaker> !rcon content state 15:12:27 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: [All] petererer: i think you might've done it wrong ;p 15:12:27 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: id, type, state, name 15:12:27 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1615, Base graphics, Selected, OpenGFX 15:12:27 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1134, Base music, Selected, OpenMSX 15:12:27 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1410, Base music, Selected, Scott Joplin Anthology 15:12:29 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have 385 more messages 15:12:40 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> let me check, but I'm sure I did not use anything not on bananas 15:12:42 <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen has left the game (leaving) 15:12:44 <planetmaker> !rcon content update 15:12:53 <planetmaker> !rcon content select all 15:12:58 <planetmaker> !rcon content download 15:12:58 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Downloading 384 file(s) (181220411 bytes) 15:13:02 <planetmaker> :-O 15:13:05 <planetmaker> right 15:13:12 <Terkhen> oh 15:13:13 <Terkhen> :D 15:13:16 <Ammler> hmm 15:13:21 <Terkhen> that's big 15:13:23 <Ammler> that should not happen 15:13:26 <Ammler> did you restart? 15:13:37 <Ammler> or rescan 15:13:45 <planetmaker> I loaded a savegame. But not the server. And ... read back what I did 15:13:52 <planetmaker> nothing hidden happend 15:13:59 <Ammler> yep 15:14:07 <Ammler> so you didn't restart or rescan 15:14:36 <planetmaker> does it give feedback when it's done? 15:14:54 <Ammler> guess not 15:15:03 <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav 15:15:06 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:15:11 <Ammler> well, you could check the logs 15:15:15 <IwantGoThere> Server has exited 15:15:16 *** IwantGoThere has quit IRC 15:15:21 <planetmaker> he 15:16:36 <andythenorth> any house rules for coop play? 15:17:00 <Ammler> yes, talk with your partners :-) 15:17:00 *** IwantGoThere has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:17:00 <IwantGoThere> Autopilot engaged 15:17:00 <IwantGoThere> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} YACD' 15:17:00 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - YACD | yacd_2.2 | STAGE: GAME ON | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=54253" 15:17:18 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:17:21 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game 15:17:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: the issue might be that I added bananas files after openttd started, so it crashed 15:17:58 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:17:58 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:18:01 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:18:17 <planetmaker> well... but it shouldn't 15:18:23 <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen joined the game 15:18:29 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:18:35 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> anything missing? :P 15:18:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nice :-) 15:18:57 *** andythenorth__ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:18:59 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:19:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I don't think so. 15:19:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and if so... bad luck ;-) 15:19:21 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> ok, so... what should we do? :P 15:19:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: if you want to reproduce, start openttd with empty bananas 15:19:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... starting with a pax money maker? 15:19:49 <Ammler> then while openttd is running, add the bananas files 15:19:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Ammler: did you reproduce it that way? 15:19:54 <Ammler> then start content 15:20:04 <Ammler> no, that is what I did here 15:20:05 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth joined the game 15:20:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... interesting 15:20:09 *** andythenorth__ has left #openttdcoop.dev 15:20:15 <Ammler> openttd does only scan on staart 15:20:31 <Ammler> so it didn't know, it has all the bananas files I added after 15:20:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. and when asked to re-scan 15:20:35 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> that's fine by me, but most towns are small 15:20:41 <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth recommends hauling wood from malvalla 15:20:43 <Ammler> (symlinking the "global bananas" 15:20:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> there is a cluster there 15:20:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, I just noticed, T3rkhen:-) 15:20:51 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> let's see 15:20:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but first we need a PAX network 15:21:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> btw, can you replace the 2nd "e" instead of the 1st? 15:21:15 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> oh, there are a lot of forests there 15:21:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Then the tab completion works on the same 2 letters for you ;-) 15:21:17 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> sure 15:21:23 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> name Terkh3n 15:21:26 <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> ups, not here 15:21:32 <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen has changed his/her name to Terkh3n 15:21:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we should also run a fishing boat near fiskberg 15:21:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well we only have little money. We need a good starter 15:22:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Beckarp ? 15:22:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or Sandvalla? 15:22:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> both? 15:22:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or is industry more profitable? 15:22:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know :P 15:22:51 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> best starter is a couple of fishing boats 15:22:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and a dense pax network 15:23:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: I thought of not too distant, so that we can connect them in reasonable time with trains 15:23:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla is a better start then, it has more towns nearby 15:23:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> which is the biggest city 15:23:30 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could set up the fishing boats and Sandvalla 15:23:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yep, let's go for it 15:23:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> brb 15:24:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> sandvalla, trams 15:24:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we can borrow more money? 15:24:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> tram? Ho... I built bus stations 15:25:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> obviously we can go up to 500k 15:25:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but we should keep like 50k in reserve 15:25:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'll do the fish boats 15:26:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh damn, the bus... 15:26:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's going to be SLOOOW 15:26:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 15:26:16 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (connection lost) 15:26:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> the docks have a problem... 15:26:30 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 15:26:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> Terkh3n: ISR needs to be before CHIPS :) 15:26:56 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:27:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and ISR has a palette issue 15:28:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> damn... the bus will run a loss 15:29:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: bus stops and tram stops are the same thing, build trams on them and trams will be able to stop there too 15:29:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and I had no idea about chips/ISR, sorry 15:29:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah... but not worth to update now 15:29:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm 15:29:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> chips and ISR *should* have no issues and not interfere 15:29:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> is it me that has the palette issue? 15:30:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> do I need to set a palette? 15:30:13 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (connection lost) 15:30:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no, ISR has the wrong palette set 15:30:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it has the windows palette but is set to DOS 15:30:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... ans SER, too :-( 15:31:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hold on. Many newgrfs have the wrong palette.. 15:31:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> default stations have wrong palette :P 15:31:50 <Terkhen> hmm 15:31:59 <Terkhen> sorry, it is probably something on my side :/ 15:32:00 <Ammler> maybe terken uses dos base set? 15:32:02 <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (leaving) 15:32:13 <Terkhen> no, I use opengfx 15:32:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> do you, terkhen? hm, thought so. Strange 15:32:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll fix it 15:32:29 <Terkhen> hmm... 15:32:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just don't build anything, it'll get lost 15:32:41 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 15:32:48 <Terkhen> IIRC there was a change related to palettes recently 15:35:08 <Terkhen> newgrf_default_palette <--- hmm... 15:35:27 *** andythenorth__ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:35:42 <planetmaker> !getsave http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/Sandvalla.sav 15:35:42 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: OK :-) 15:35:43 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (leaving) 15:35:43 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:35:49 <Terkhen> the default value for that setting is "1", and I had it at "0" 15:35:52 <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla.sav 15:35:52 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Sandvalla.sav: No such file or directory. 15:35:56 <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla 15:35:56 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Sandvalla: No such file or directory. 15:36:06 <planetmaker> !rcon load uploads/Sandvalla.sav 15:36:06 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: uploads/Sandvalla.sav: No such file or directory. 15:36:11 <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads 15:36:16 <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla.sav 15:36:17 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:36:24 <Terkhen> I suppose all of the errors were "palette set to DOS for a Windows newgrf" 15:36:35 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:36:35 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:36:36 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:36:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> better :-) 15:37:03 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 15:37:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, it's looking better now :) 15:37:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so.. what's the plan? 15:37:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> expand Sandvalla network? 15:38:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> A tram to Sprögsvall is a good choice IMHO 15:38:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with two stations there. The tram connecting to one station in Sandvalla only 15:38:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I like the names, which are they? 15:39:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> default swedish names 15:39:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I forgot to load the newgrf 15:39:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll build a small exchange tram / bus in Sandvalla, ok? 15:39:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 15:39:44 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth joined the game 15:39:52 <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (leaving) 15:40:13 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 15:40:21 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi :p 15:40:22 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 joined the game 15:40:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi V453000 15:40:32 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> oh, FIRS 15:40:35 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth adds a few fishing boats 15:40:37 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (connection lost) 15:41:18 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 15:41:54 <Ammler> Terkhen: is that setting also in branch 1.1? 15:42:16 <Ammler> then we could actually change opengfx to dos :-) 15:42:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Oh, I thought you built the tram already in Sprögsvall, Terkhen ;-) 15:44:18 <Terkhen> I wanted to build it, but my connection is busy being stupid 15:44:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 15:44:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ah, ok :S 15:44:29 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 15:44:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> where do sandvalla peopl want to go 15:44:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> anyway... done. Let's see whether it's also a money sink 15:44:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ? 15:44:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> most of them to Sprögsvall 15:44:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: to sprögsvall and another name 15:45:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a subsidy in one of the forests we wanted to do later 15:45:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for two of them actually 15:45:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should connect handbukten with a bus as well 15:45:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow money 15:47:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> fine by me 15:49:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll do it :P 15:49:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> buses or trams? 15:49:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I'd suggest tram 15:49:45 <Terkhen> Ammler: I think that the setting is only in nightlies 15:49:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> tram for mid-range. Bus for local. Train for IC 15:49:54 <Terkhen> also, I don't know if it affects base sets 15:50:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 15:50:11 <Ammler> Terkhen: that's the point 15:50:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though trams... can do local, too, of course. But then it is clearer ;-) 15:50:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: but this is nightly, too, isn't it? 15:50:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes 15:51:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: did you tackle any fish so far? 15:51:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: some 15:51:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but he asked about 1.1 15:51:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we are in profit on fish :) 15:52:09 <Ammler> planetmaker: wihtout backporting the setting, we still need to wait a long time for the convert :-) 15:52:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd like to connect Malviken and Svästskrona to Mottskrona, and later Mottskrona to Sprögsvall 15:52:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what do you think? 15:53:20 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks at their destinations 15:53:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> too small 15:53:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 15:53:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the tram running costs are low? 15:54:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> 1406 €/yr 15:54:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so not really 15:54:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should get a nice money maker :P 15:54:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have done the most obvious fish route 15:54:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but we'll need a few 100k to do the wood network 15:55:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 15:55:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. we have 300k 15:55:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there are seven forests to connect 15:55:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> this needs some though 15:55:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> t 15:56:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> forests look like the best option, but they will need a big investment 15:56:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 15:56:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah 15:56:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> let me think a minute or two 15:56:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 15:56:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have a plan 15:56:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's hear it :) 15:57:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> connect gnatsund forest and malvalla sawmill by small train 15:57:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm.. Much wood wants to go to Enas Papermill 15:57:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from also tow nearby forests 15:57:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Skäddhus and Skynspang 15:58:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> IIRC yacd gives priority to established links, once we start sending a lot of wood somewhere the amounts should grow up 15:58:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker: we'll route that via a big exchange at fiskberg forest 15:58:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 15:58:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> limited trains :P 15:58:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> if we are short on cash we can use HEQS trams 15:58:51 <IwantGoThere> *** Amm1er joined the game 15:58:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and later move to real trains 15:59:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from what I see we can afford the link I suggested. 15:59:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 15:59:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> `` 15:59:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hopefull ;-) 16:00:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> HEQS trams are quite good to move cargo to a single big station, though 16:00:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we're happy to use a lot of ships? 16:00:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't mind ships :P 16:00:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, also... 16:00:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also, with the recent changes in trunk they work way better 16:00:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but I'm not sure if those changes are in yacd 2.2 16:00:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, YAPF (Recommended) 16:00:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> connect fiskberg forest and malvalla forest by ship 16:01:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> then connect malavalla forest and skaddhus forest by tram 16:01:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> err? 16:01:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ships over a mountain? 16:01:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... in that route ships are less direct 16:02:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes but we don't pay for infrastructure 16:02:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that'd be a perfect tram route 16:02:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there's no water link, andythen0rth 16:02:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> potato / potato 16:02:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> maybe there are two forests with same name? 16:02:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll put signs 16:02:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I would just start building, but that's rude :) 16:02:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 16:02:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there are two Gnastsund forests 16:02:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ho 16:03:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he 16:03:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I put some signs near malvalla 16:03:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that paper mill is our destination? 16:03:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's Malvalla Forest, andythen0rth 16:03:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> initially 16:04:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. Let's put a hub near that Papermill 16:04:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> needs to connect via a dock 16:04:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> if we build a train station and attach the dock, it's fine 16:04:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I built the dock :) 16:05:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> someone building the tram? 16:05:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still don't understand the plan 16:05:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 16:05:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> he 16:05:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> someone does 16:05:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I can see building 16:05:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we take everything to that paper mill? 16:05:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> no 16:05:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> take it to malvalla docks and use local transfers 16:05:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: we could. And from there we distribute 16:06:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I suggest we distribute from the paper mill ;-) 16:06:17 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> (I just watch, btw. :-) 16:06:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but the paper mill will accept part of the wood 16:06:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok the mill is fine 16:06:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> my dock is now a waste of money :) 16:06:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> shall I just distant-join a dock for now? 16:06:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the station will need to grow anyway 16:06:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 16:07:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you're doing a rail line? 16:07:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> who does the ships? 16:07:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do those in a bit 16:08:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we don't need them yet 16:08:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what should I do? 16:08:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> they'll just suck up our cash 16:08:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hu? 16:08:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> when do you need vehicles then? 16:08:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the wood has to get to the station... 16:09:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are the trains any good in this set :) 16:09:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I thought your plan was to now ship the wood to Malvalla? 16:10:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'd start the nearest connection first 16:10:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I got a bit ahead of myself :) 16:10:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> And I suggest to do the same with the wood from Skäddhus 16:10:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 16:10:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so either train or tram to skadhus 16:10:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you choose the ship 16:10:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> from Skäddhus to Malvalla? 16:10:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I'd also ship from skadhus ;-) 16:11:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> distant-join a dock? 16:11:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from skaddhus to the cost. from there to malvalla docks. from there to malvalla 16:11:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 16:11:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no distant join ;-) 16:11:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trams 16:11:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or trucks 16:11:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> short truck route or tram 16:11:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lets do that 16:11:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> distant join over 2 or three tiles feels 'ok' to me, more is stretching it. But that's my personal thing 16:12:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> you start, I'll pick it up once I understand the plan :P 16:12:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: builds the ships and orders them? 16:12:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> two ships. One for a route between each dock? 16:12:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where do these ships go? 16:12:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> both to malvalla docks 16:12:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and one to each of the other two 16:12:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll do Skäddhus 16:13:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so the wood can 'hop' to the paper mill 16:13:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the Malvalla Docks was a mistake by me :) 16:13:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we'd better use RVs there 16:13:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll fix it 16:13:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he 16:13:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. ok 16:14:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> May I build a rail route betwen Enas Mills and Mallas? 16:14:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> clay from skaudhus by boat? 16:15:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't have money for the raft 16:15:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow some ;) 16:15:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ^ 16:15:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker where's the rail rout? 16:15:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll refit the raft to low capacity for now 16:15:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> near the coast 16:16:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> from enas to where? 16:16:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from Malvalla (where we are) to Enas Mills where much wants to go 16:16:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'd build the rail to fiskberg forest, then ships from there 16:16:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess I'll build it. It's about 50 ... 70k 16:17:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should consolidate wood at fiskberg 16:17:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> a *lot* of wood will go via there 16:17:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sign? 16:17:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> this? 16:17:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you'll need room for a big station just there 16:17:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h 16:17:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with a dock 16:17:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Nah, Malvalla will be the hub, I think 16:18:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I think it will turn out to be two hubs 16:18:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with a spine between them 16:18:21 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> those road staions aren't optimal for loading 16:18:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no, I'll improve them once we have money 16:19:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker if there's no hub at fiskberg, there are four forests in the south that will have to go all the way to malvalla 16:19:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or we could use gnastsund as a hub 16:20:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but the terrain doesn't lend itself. But we shall see. 16:20:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> The constellation would fit, though 16:20:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, lot of fish waiting, I'll add more ships 16:21:42 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hehe 16:21:52 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> isn't the rail depot wrong? 16:22:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 16:22:21 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> :-D 16:22:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thx Amm1er 16:23:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker - we'll build the hub at gnatsund town, not overlapping any forest 16:23:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why that? 16:23:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> That doesn't make sense 16:23:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> having a wood hub at a wood saves one station and two junctions 16:23:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 16:24:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and I still think that Malvalla itself is good: the three in the East and the 4 in South would then tram or ship to there 16:25:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or... two such hubs... one - as you said near Gnasksund or between the two forrests East of it. And other further East of Malvalla 16:25:25 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 16:27:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we need to connect Skoggslätt Sawmill 16:27:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> train, ferry, tram? 16:28:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ferry terminal at Skynspang Forest? 16:28:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wow, that thing is really far away 16:28:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not really 16:28:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not further than the other way ;-) 16:29:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and distance = money 16:29:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd prefer train, it is possible to set up railways near the border of the map 16:29:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where should we connect the two Gnastsund forests? 16:31:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm 16:31:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's go for what andy suggested initially: A separate hub 16:31:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malvalla Heights 16:31:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll connect the forests to it 16:32:03 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> andythen0rth: you should "borrow" the mines from ogfx+industries 16:33:30 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hmm, shouldn't the clay pit be snow awarness? 16:33:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> *should* 16:33:58 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> yes, didn0t you make those sprites? 16:35:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: for now I'll go for the ferry solution to the distance paper mill. But in the middle run, a train connection is indeed better 16:36:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there, trams set 16:40:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are we swimming in cash already? :P 16:40:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not at all 16:40:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 16:42:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Malvalla 16:42:07 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth had to feed the baby 16:42:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: yes, that wants probably go to the distant saw mill over the ocean ;-) 16:43:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... though... maybe not 16:44:16 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> if train has full load at Malvalla, how should it load at Malvalla Heights 16:44:30 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> oh, you changed 16:44:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I'll refit the trams to higher capacities instead of adding new ones 16:45:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> malvalla sawmill needs a connection 16:45:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... by tram I suggest 16:46:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll do it, we can use the existing tram 16:47:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trains for the clay, or a boat? 16:47:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... maybe I should use the highest capacity ones and just run a circle 16:47:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sounds like a plan, Terkh3n 16:47:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: boat 16:48:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> malvalla hates us 16:48:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I can't build a dock there 16:48:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know 16:48:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we are approaching max loan :P 16:48:29 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> trees :-P 16:49:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what ship to use for 100s of tons of wood? 16:49:25 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hmm, you don't have much money to rise rating 16:49:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the tug refit to max? 16:51:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> conditional orders mess up YACD? 16:51:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 16:51:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> MEH 16:51:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh well, I hope the trams are big enough to not run into stations with a full load 16:53:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> more capacity malvalla - enas? 16:53:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just pondering about it. yes 16:54:12 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> you need a 2nd ship at Malborg 16:54:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we don't want to run too much 16:54:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just changed the train orders to not full load anywhere. 16:55:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> for bi-directional traffic that's usually a bad thing. And that showed 16:55:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Malvalla Wood Terminal 16:56:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 16:56:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. we can't afford a train 16:56:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are we making money at the moment? 16:56:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> please save the money, it indeed needs one 16:56:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, let's wait 16:56:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... 16:56:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> why aren't the trams picking up wood at malvalla? 16:57:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we'd be profitable - just if we hadn't bought anything new 16:57:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ah, sorry, they are picking it 16:57:19 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> is this ship transfer at Malborg for fun? 16:57:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no 16:57:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's delivering most wood on the map 16:57:50 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> so why didn't you finish the line? 16:57:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, we need more ships there 16:58:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's going to Malborough quarry 16:58:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or what do you mean? 16:58:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: we should refit that raft to 400 once it comes back 16:58:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he. maybe 16:59:00 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks for next level of network 16:59:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the 2nd last trip I upgraded already to 240 16:59:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have added a new raft there with 400 16:59:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 16:59:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we don't have enough goods in production for a goods network yet 16:59:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok 16:59:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should do a food network for growing towns :) 16:59:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> milk can be highly profitable 17:00:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ooh 17:00:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and healthy, will it make towns grow faster? 17:00:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bandspang 17:00:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> dairy + stockyard 17:00:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and many livestock farms in NE of map 17:00:34 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> ships have too high running costs 17:00:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Amm1er: next version should feature adjustable costs ;) 17:00:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but really they already make a lot of money 17:01:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bear in mind you don't buy infrastructure for them 17:01:23 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> it is < 10k 17:02:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hub near barrstad farm? 17:02:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for a food network? 17:02:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> milk + livestock initially yes 17:03:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it as about 7 farms... 17:03:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> you should wait until the wood network has all required trains, but the placement looks okay 17:03:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I see a lot of red things there :) 17:03:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how much is a train? 17:03:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> about 30k 17:03:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> + tracks + stations 17:03:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> wait until we have 100k? 17:03:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can you add more trains at Malvalla? 17:03:41 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has to bath the baby etc 17:03:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it has about 800 tonnes waiting 17:03:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> that's like 1 hour 17:04:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the capacity is currently more tracks than trains. I'll upgrade it 17:05:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 17:05:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we are getting better profits now 17:06:33 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> train3 is way too small 17:12:45 <IwantGoThere> *** Amm1er has left the game (leaving) 17:14:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what info does the link map shows? 17:14:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's find out :-) 17:15:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, I forgot to increase the size of one of the stations 17:15:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it shows somehow where our cargo flows 17:15:30 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> IIRC it was cargo waiting or something like that 17:15:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the thickness iirc relates to the amount 17:16:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-( 17:16:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he lengthened the train but not the drop station 17:16:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that was me 17:16:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 17:16:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> done 17:19:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok what project next, Terkh3n? 17:20:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know 17:20:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wood is working fine now 17:20:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we should some other cargo and do the same as with wood. yes 17:20:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd go with either food or farm supplies 17:20:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> food for making towns grow, supplies for making our forests grow 17:21:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> farm supplies then 17:21:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though... is that feasible? 17:21:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in my last FIRS game I used the lime kiln for that 17:22:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but I don't know if we will be able to deliver supplies properly 17:22:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> probably not, unless we found a lime kiln near our forests 17:22:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, near is no necessity 17:22:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> check a lime kiln, farm supplies have their preferences too 17:22:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but they have no input. So we first need stone and coal 17:23:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> or any other industry producing supplies 17:23:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we need to do base cargos first 17:23:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... coal? stone? 17:24:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> bah... 17:24:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there are not many quarries / coal mines 17:24:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, industry windows need to re-size to the cargo destination string lengths 17:25:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, that would be nice 17:25:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but IMO they are too long 17:25:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. two quarries? 17:25:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 17:26:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe we should start with food as andy proposed 17:27:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok. You do food. I do coal + quarries 17:27:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 17:27:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we can do that meanwhile 17:28:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. most coal will go by ship ;-) 17:29:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 17:29:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Look near Malbuken. It lends itself as shipping harbout 17:29:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malbukten 17:29:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> true :) 17:29:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no land connections for 2/3 of coal mines ;-) 17:34:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll start with livestock and add milk later, the dairies are further away 17:35:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I need to do a bridge with length 30 17:36:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ferry 17:36:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh 17:36:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... 17:36:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I use it for all the way or use the train to send cargo as close as possible? 17:43:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, a subsidy just when I finished :) 17:46:47 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth back for a bit 17:46:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi 17:46:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did we make any money yet? 17:47:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I thought we did but it is gone 17:48:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> something is generating a lot of cash :) 17:48:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker is doing coal/stone, I started with the dairy farms 17:48:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, wood is working already :) 17:49:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> lot of cash is relative ;-) 17:49:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could use farm supplies 17:49:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we still have 300k loan 17:49:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> farms are small 17:49:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 17:49:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: I would use mixed trains for livestock / milk 17:49:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm working on coal 17:49:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the cycle time for each train will be faster 17:49:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> needed to build a major hub ;-) 17:49:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... true 17:50:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll order them to go to a depot after this delivery 17:50:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> urgs. 17:50:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 60k for an island trader? 17:50:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 17:53:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm 17:53:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the utility tugs are too small even for farms :P 17:53:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but the other ships are too big so I'll use them 17:58:08 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks for a potential spine route 17:58:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> spine routes are good for mixed trains of food, goods, bdmt, chemicals etc 17:59:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I built near Enas a (major) hub station 17:59:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> give it a dock at some point 17:59:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we can ship stuff from near morksaker 17:59:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> when needed, no problem 18:00:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> a malvalla - bandspang rail line is probably wise too 18:00:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. done 18:00:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is a shame that the mixed farms are so far away 18:00:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why do you worry about distance? 18:00:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I forgot to check sheep farms 18:00:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I was going to mention those ;) 18:00:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 18:00:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could get more cargo now if they were closer :P 18:01:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hydrofoil became available 18:01:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ah, sheep farms are here :) 18:01:11 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth suggest some pax shipping 18:01:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla has grown quite a bit 18:01:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> go for it 18:01:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we have 200k loan left? 18:01:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe we should put another town to grow too 18:03:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I connect the sheep farms with another train hub or keep using different road stops? 18:04:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hub near tyondberg somewhere 18:04:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool, I can use that for the ships too 18:05:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh, no money 18:05:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow some 18:05:32 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth wants to buy a 60k hydrofoil 18:06:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: it'd be great IMHO, if we could get rid of loan somewhen... 18:06:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you don't like loan? 18:06:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I always figure that 500k will make more profit than it costs in interest :) 18:08:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... stupid mountain 18:10:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh 18:10:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and now they hate us 18:11:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> build single track, upgrade later ;) 18:11:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> given how poorly is the track placed I can't blame them 18:12:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we can't afford a hydrofoil 18:12:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll buy a small boat :P 18:14:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> someone feels like connecting Malmhus DOCK to all industries there which want coal? 18:14:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> on that island? 18:14:35 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is putting the baby to bed :) 18:14:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still need to connect all farms at the north 18:14:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bbl 18:14:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> unless you want to break for food ? 18:15:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is too soon for me but we can have a break if you want :P 18:22:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> our money is jumping a lot :P 18:22:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are you playing with the loan? 18:22:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just borrowed everything we can 18:22:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 18:22:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, ok :P 18:22:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> then is clear how much we can wast ;-) 18:22:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in Tvöndberg they still hate us 18:22:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I wonder if I should mass clear trees and then replant 18:22:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> in Sandstad also 18:23:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> this is blocking three of the farms 18:23:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> how much does it cost? 18:23:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, I seriously need 65k for a larger ship... 18:24:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> go ahead :) 18:24:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> this can wait 18:24:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there's still 200k 18:27:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> done, I can continue now :) 18:27:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I won't build any trains until you are done with ships, though 18:32:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... doing coal is a bit... stupid. Just connecting every industry which can somehow accept it... with a somewhat boring link of sorts... 18:32:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could connect only those industries we are interested on 18:33:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah... but the coal mine wants a somewhat good rating. That's why 18:33:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, true :/ 18:33:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with 35% they'll die most likely 18:33:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and that's what we're at now 18:33:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and it changes so often that it really needs every industry which accepts coal 18:34:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thus... actually in competitive play the usual station rating handling is very bad. 18:34:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> only the best two players would get coal. While, say, 4 could use it to supply their industries... 18:35:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> would bigger frequency for primary industries help with that? 18:35:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess, yes 18:35:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the ratio primary / secondary needs serious re-balancing with yacd 18:36:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> opengfx+ industries could change the probabilities accordingly if yacd is enabled 18:36:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yacd could use well a 5:1 for primary : secondary or so 18:36:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that would be the "fix" for default industries 18:36:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... 18:37:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, they are mad again 18:37:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I really should remember to build road stops before roads 18:51:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> puh. seems all connection of the two current coal mines are done. somewhat 18:51:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I wonder though if any will run a profit 18:51:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 18:51:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the farm boats don't 18:52:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I doubt that most of the farm stuff will give profits 18:52:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some coal boats don't either 18:53:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... what really sucks is that I can't buy one BIG boat which will ship lumber, coal, wood, ... whatever 18:53:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> everything in 30t range probably 18:54:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, that would be great for yacd 18:55:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... when I earlier said "I need 60k for a bigger boat" I didn't mean additionally to the existing 30k boat... 18:55:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but there's still coal waiting :-D 18:55:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 18:56:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the trains do not arrive at the food industries frequently enough 18:56:08 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost) 18:56:15 *** andythenorth__ has quit IRC 18:56:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I'm missing the link to the other two 18:56:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, that neither. 18:56:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> timing and yacd is NOT easy... 18:56:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> timing doesn't make much sense with yacd 18:57:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as such... FIRS should not require the "withing one month" with yacd 18:57:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that makes sense, yes 18:57:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I need a VERY big ship 18:57:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it was not a missing train, but missing shipping capacity at Enhättan Woods 18:58:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the Patraikos is not big enough? :P 18:58:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P $$$$ 18:58:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 18:59:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> island trader will do for now. hopefully 18:59:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... now, quite a few lime killns have coal 19:00:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> time for dinner, bbl 19:00:25 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 19:00:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> enjoy 19:03:00 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has joined spectators 19:03:00 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:03:26 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:03:26 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:03:28 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 19:03:36 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has joined spectators 19:03:36 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:08:22 <andythenorth> planetmaker: back to the game? 19:15:31 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:31:04 <planetmaker> yes, we could go on half an hour or so 19:31:35 <Terkhen> I'm back, we can start when you want :) 19:31:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm still ingame 19:32:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> moving to specator is sufficient to stop the server ;-) 19:32:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> (if there's no one in a company) 19:32:40 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has joined company #1 19:32:40 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:32:49 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 19:32:53 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has joined company #1 19:33:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I found an analogy: w/o yacd one has to send small vehicles from , say, farm to farm. 19:33:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> now you can use a usual tran and just drive a circle 19:33:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> same thing, just slightly different 19:34:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I should adapt my trains to do that :P 19:34:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I start with the ship link to the remaining food industries? 19:34:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 19:34:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Coal waiting in masses at Malborg 19:35:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I didn't quite look at the food link in detail 19:35:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but ship links are easiest to setup 19:35:52 * andythenorth will join back in 19:35:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and this map lends itself to ship links 19:36:05 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 19:36:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we ok for money? 19:36:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> can I have 100k to spend on my plans? 19:36:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> obviously 19:37:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :) 19:38:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we now own a hydrofoil 19:38:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool :) 19:38:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh 19:38:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think we should have another big town 19:39:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> FISH nightly has 12t boats, and 60t boats 19:39:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> they are useful 19:39:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla is already growing, and Oskarslätt will grow further 19:39:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the 4t tugs are too small 19:39:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, 12t would be useful 19:39:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what is missing for a FISH release? 19:39:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> graphics :P 19:39:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :) 19:41:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still don't understand why industries are so picky with were they send cargo 19:41:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> assigning destinations on distance is great for passengers, goods and so on, but not so much for metal or coal 19:42:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there is an obvious route needed to trynnhattan steel mill 19:42:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do it if we're ok for cash? 19:42:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think we're fine now 19:42:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we have max loan. So we can freely spend what we have, but no € more ;-) 19:42:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so yes, we're fine 19:42:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> inflow is good 19:47:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: we should be able to get a flow of ore from tryndhattan to enas now 19:47:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> possibly by adding ore cars to an existing train 19:48:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from where? 19:48:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trynnhattan mills 19:48:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could walk the station at enas to cover the mill there 19:48:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or use a truck 19:50:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know where Enas mills is... but Trynn... 19:50:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd not change the coal trains. 19:50:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Use separate trains 19:50:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, there 19:50:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... yes, use separate, still 19:50:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 19:50:59 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is building bus routes elsewhere {;)} 19:51:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you connect, you build vehicles :-P 19:51:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do it next 19:51:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I need to see if we can load anything else on that route 19:51:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I prefer mixed trains to unit trains with yacd 19:51:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm not convinced that mixed trains are good 19:52:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> they suck up network capacity like hell 19:52:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and station capacity. 19:52:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and are MUCH worse to manage 19:52:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> faster cycle time though per cargo 19:52:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm out of managing them, if you mix ;-) 19:52:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 19:52:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> fair enough 19:53:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> once farms start producing more than 18 units / month I'll change from mixed to normal :) 19:53:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I started an experiment with coal and stone up East. I don't think it's a success 19:53:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there are exceptions, like farms. But... not like this is the same route, let's mix 19:53:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> mixed is better for secondary cargos 19:53:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> how? 19:53:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> just like real life :P 19:54:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... with firs requirements... right 19:54:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, that makes sense. 19:54:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> still ugly ;-) 19:54:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with yacd I consider that a firs bug ;-) 19:55:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> without yacd it's a nice challengt ;-) 19:55:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> told you FIRS had yacd issues :P 19:55:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I never played it with yacd ;-) 19:56:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> no CHIPS stations? :o 19:56:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, it is quite complicated 19:57:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have a CHIPS station menu 19:58:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: I shouldn't build dumb simple train junctions 19:58:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ? 19:59:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> depends. It's not like I built here intelligently 19:59:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll build 19:59:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think so, we don't have enough trains to worry about that 19:59:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if it's a problem, we fix it 19:59:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But it gets to a point slowly where IMHO we need 'good' network quality 19:59:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 20:00:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, I want to do passengers 20:00:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 20:00:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm going to make things grow 20:00:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> please do! 20:01:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that junction on Enås is made for a lot of traffic, right? 20:01:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the hub? 20:01:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm supposing that because I can't understand it :P 20:01:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: south of Enås 20:01:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, it's meant to take be a place to exchange some cargo 20:01:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> near the hub, yes 20:01:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, then I'll keep Enås out of my plans :) 20:01:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... that junction. 20:02:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well... in #openttdcoop we call it a simple junction ;-) 20:02:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's not double-tracked, it has still crossing tracks partially ;-) 20:02:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but it will do 20:02:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> better than the station which is capacity-wise smaller than the junction 20:03:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for me a simple junction is what I placed north of yours :P 20:03:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P 20:03:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have just placed world's dumbest junction near trynnhattan 20:03:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm thinking on lots of hydrofoils/hovercrafts for mid range, trams for towns nearby and aircrafts for communicating the north and the south directly 20:03:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> outch 20:04:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: go for it :) 20:05:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: may I re-build that to a tram service? 20:05:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: that ore service? 20:05:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 20:05:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if you wish yes 20:05:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I have the feeling that the hill station will see lots of traffic 20:05:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> extra infrastructure expense :P 20:05:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and... this train feeder won't help then ;-) 20:06:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there is a train at trertkoping mines that will need rereouting 20:06:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it takes ore to enas 20:06:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it could wait at trynhattan for the ore 20:06:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no 20:06:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or the tram brings it in 20:07:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but you still need a junction then :P 20:09:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> solved the cheap way 20:09:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are we building canals? 20:09:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... hovercrafts are expensive 20:10:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> trams will do for now 20:10:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you have a plan for train 19? 20:13:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, we need money 20:14:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: pax malvalla klastholm 20:14:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> (when we have cash) 20:14:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> sounds good, I'll set busses on both towns 20:14:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we've got enough for a small boat as well 20:15:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 20:15:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> some fish congestion at fiskberg :P 20:15:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Knulfors 20:16:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll look at it soon 20:16:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> looks like we couldn't afford enough platforms? 20:16:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or town hates us? 20:16:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> town hates us :P 20:16:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> they hate us 20:16:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> all towns hate us 20:16:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if we don't transport sugar beet in this game, I'm removing it from FIRS 20:16:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have yet to use it in a game 20:17:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I wonder why I built buoys but never used it on the ship orders 20:17:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> s/it/them/ 20:17:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: sugar beet was one of the things I was transporting on my last game 20:17:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I was using that and grain to get fuel oil / chemicals 20:18:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, it is called petrol in english 20:18:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> anyways, petrol for getting supplies and chemicals for goods 20:19:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> initially I used chemicals to get even more metal but using them directly for goods was faster 20:20:51 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should ship wood to brunnlov mill 20:21:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we have a route most of the way 20:21:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of iron ore waiting at Trertköping mines 20:21:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but there is a train loading right now, slowly... 20:21:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why is it waiting there? 20:21:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's waiting for train 19 which can't get there :P 20:21:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: you can use autocomplete for town names too 20:21:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> thanks 20:21:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why not? 20:22:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you cut it's route :) 20:23:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ooh 20:23:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: are you planning to ship clay from Enslätt clay pit? 20:25:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I was promised loads of money for playing with passengers, you are clearly not working hard enough 20:25:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 20:25:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P 20:25:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: are we scrapping train 19 now? 20:26:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 20:26:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: regarding the Malborg - Knulfors link, I'm going to add a few more rafts and give them different orders (no full load at all) 20:26:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could repurpose it for other routes 20:26:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they are waiting a lot at Malborg 20:26:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I built two from Trynnhätten to enas 20:26:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh 20:26:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> train 19 is stuck in a depot off other routes 20:26:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> repurpose? 20:26:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll scrap it 20:26:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> a 20:26:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sell and buy for purpose ;-) 20:27:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you didn't like my junction :P 20:27:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 2*45° is a speed killer 1st grade 20:28:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> xDD 20:28:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should run clay from Enslätt clay pit to Trynnhättan brick works 20:28:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but we could use trucks or trains 20:28:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. I totally overloaded the stone link to the East island ;-) 20:29:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> train 20:29:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> share orders with the sand and stone train 20:29:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... how do I solve the Ängelslätt - Brårrstad problem? 20:29:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Trynhattan is a hub 20:29:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it's not like the farm is producing enough for 85t ships 20:29:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ach 20:30:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that extension - right now - just a feeder on the same line ;-) 20:30:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> that should just be one big train :P 20:30:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so it was you, andy, who in the East at Skoglätts Wood sent a tile 8 train to a tile 3 station? ;-) 20:31:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I think not :P 20:31:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> did you extend the station to length 8? 20:31:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at Knulfors Dock? 20:31:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> must have been Terkh3n 20:32:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P 20:34:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Knulfors still hates us :-( 20:37:25 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: any idea what's going on with train 12? 20:37:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's stuck 20:38:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I extended Knulfors 20:38:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 20:39:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I found back then the station full of wood and the train unloading probably for 3 months already 20:39:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I fixed it as soon as the train left the station 20:39:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: train 12 could also be a clay link from Sprögsvall east 20:39:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, we are already at 1971 and still not swimming in cash? 20:40:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how much do you want? :P 20:40:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could just about buy the biggest ship right now :) 20:40:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> enough to swim in it 20:44:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I think the "best" network layout for yacd is like regional hubs with *everything* 20:44:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 20:44:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> trains running between those to exchange goods 20:44:27 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> fed by ships and rvs 20:44:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and around these (smaller) ones visiting in a circle the recipients of the cargo as well as the suppliers 20:44:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or that 20:44:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: we should start moving bdmt and steel out of Trynnhättan 20:45:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and yes, in my last game I ran trunk trains on mainlines 20:45:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h 20:45:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h 20:45:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with switch jobs going round-robin of local industries 20:45:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> timetabled not full-load 20:45:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> some of them lost money forever :P 20:45:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> only trucks is fun :) 20:46:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... 20:46:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think I found a bug 20:46:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> go to Ängelslätt 20:46:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I sold the small ships and replaced them with larger ones 20:46:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did you upgrade that ship from another? 20:46:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the cargo is not going into the new ships 20:46:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes? 20:46:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> run them on the route 20:46:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no, I bought them 20:46:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> i.e. skip to next 20:46:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, ok 20:47:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but why does this happen? 20:47:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> dunno 20:47:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bug 20:47:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll report it 20:47:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he... Ängelslätt is also an old maya temple with a few modern buildings on top, eh? 20:47:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 20:48:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> anyone planning to spend cash right now? 20:48:37 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth needs to....invest 20:48:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> always go for it 20:49:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> well... there are enough passengers for stablishing an air link between Sandvalla and Beckarp :P 20:49:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but that should wait 20:51:56 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (connection lost) 20:53:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> canals are cheap in this game? 20:53:33 <planetmaker> I'll head for bed. 20:53:37 <planetmaker> All prices are default 20:53:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> good night planetmaker :) 20:53:52 <planetmaker> so a terraforming a tile of water is 60k 20:53:53 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is quite addicted :) 20:53:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> good night 20:54:01 <planetmaker> have fun, I'll look tomorrow :-) 20:54:05 <IwantGoThere> * Terkh3n too 20:55:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can I buy another hovercraft? 20:55:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> 220k 20:55:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> why not 20:56:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 21:02:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: brb 21:04:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 21:06:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's try aircrafts :) 21:07:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wow, the running costs are crazy 21:07:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll wait :/ 21:07:59 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is linking the oil fields 21:09:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 21:11:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's try the aircraft :P 21:12:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> heh, they can be refitted to alcohol 21:13:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> indeed :) 21:15:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> time to replace some logging trams? 21:15:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> indeed, they are really slow 21:15:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think that a single train or two could do the same work 21:16:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it seems that the aircrafts give a nice profit :) 21:16:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> good 21:17:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's keep them for a year to be sure 21:17:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> if they give a good margin I'll replace them with bigger, more expensive ones 21:23:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 21:23:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I don't like amending train routes made by others :P 21:23:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 21:25:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should replace the steam locomotives? 21:25:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm.... I think so, yes 21:26:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there must be faster replacements already 21:27:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: bed time for me :) 21:27:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there, aircrafts replaced 21:27:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll follow soon :) 21:27:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> good night andythen0rth 21:27:56 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 21:28:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:32:40 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 21:32:40 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:56:37 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:46:18 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC