Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 23rd May 2009:
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07:02:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #73 (Closed): Adjust version info (planetmaker) -
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08:38:15  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12173: Merge from trunk (Hirundo) -
09:20:15  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 131: Add a script which replaces \{\{LID\}\} and \{\{HLID\}\} by the language ID... (planetmaker) -
09:21:25  <planetmaker> ^^ Ammler, the announce script cannot properly handle { and } ;)
09:41:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 132: Feature: Allow 2cc offline.bat to work in an international environm... (planetmaker) -
09:47:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 133: Fix: 2cc offline.bat wouldn't rename the resulting grf to 2cc_train... (planetmaker) -
10:03:19  <Ammler> your script will be very soon obsolete ;-)
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10:06:20  <planetmaker> hehe :)
10:06:29  <planetmaker> How so, though? With sed you mean?
10:06:45  <Ammler> you need that script once?
10:06:53  <planetmaker> I'm currently fixing the 2cc offline.bat...
10:07:03  <planetmaker> hm? You mean the LID replacement script?
10:07:09  <planetmaker> or which?
10:07:13  <Ammler> yes
10:07:31  <planetmaker> well. Obviously not yet. But I'd like to have something with that functionality.
10:07:54  <Ammler> you don't need that anymore, if you use sed for translation
10:07:56  <planetmaker> means, of course, to replace all language IDs in the language files... and rename them to *.lang
10:08:06  <planetmaker> well. the script uses sed?
10:08:18  <Ammler> no
10:08:29  <Ammler> the language files are sed scripts ;-)
10:08:38  <Ammler> s/Train/Zug/
10:08:53  <Ammler> s/Waggon/Wagen/
10:09:11  <Ammler> oder Anhänger :P
10:09:18  <Ammler> etc....
10:09:51  <Ammler> so you have one sed script per language
10:10:01  <planetmaker> that doesn't work properly
10:10:16  <planetmaker> well... it might in 90% of the strings. But not all
10:10:25  <Ammler> den you sed -f german.sed 7f_english.nfo > 02_german.nfo
10:11:03  <planetmaker> hmm.... not sure that that's the way to go... doesn't make translation easier, I think?
10:11:19  <planetmaker> But I guess I need to see a working example :) As I in principle like the idea
10:12:04  <Ammler> the nfo is too complicated for the translatior
10:12:19  <Ammler> he needs to care about IDs, about spaces etc.
10:12:20  <planetmaker> That only works with things like "Loading Speed", "Passengers", e.g. the generic strings
10:12:48  <Ammler> why?
10:13:48  <planetmaker> well. Names like "Class 58" or "railbus 153-S" or "world record train"... you cannot replace it word by word but the whole string
10:13:57  <planetmaker> ... though... it's not an argument against ;)
10:14:10  <planetmaker> I shut up and let you work on it :)
10:14:12  <Ammler> sed/Tourist Class Coach 1st gen/Touristenklasse Wagen (1. Gen)/
10:14:22  <planetmaker> hm... yes
10:14:31  <planetmaker> definitely yes.
10:14:35  <planetmaker> ok. :)
10:14:46  <planetmaker> please go ahead :)
10:15:02  <Ammler> maybe using another sed delimeter
10:15:06  <planetmaker> sounds indeed way easier: having a list of strings and just going for it.
10:15:23  <Ammler> "/" could be part of a string?
10:15:29  <planetmaker> hm... yes
10:15:33  <planetmaker> it is. quite often
10:15:46  <planetmaker> 75% of the generic strings have it
10:17:27  <planetmaker> I'm pushing tee.bat :)
10:17:59  <planetmaker> I hope DJN won't kill me once I've re-written 50% of his bat file :P
10:18:47  <planetmaker> REM maybe get all of <-- that might be worth to install on windows
10:20:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 134: Feature: tee.bat introduces tee for windows. Doesn't work from scri... (planetmaker) -
10:30:57  <Ammler> well, if we use too many such "tools", we should really consider to go for precompiler
10:31:55  <Ammler> check the dutch station set for example
10:33:04  <Ammler> and adding the path of sed.exe to the env var path would make more sense to me.
10:36:16  <DJNekkid> good morning norway!
10:36:34  <Ammler> guete morgä schwiiz
10:36:59  <DJNekkid> iceland, 12 points!
10:37:14  <Ammler> eurovision?
10:37:27  <DJNekkid> most likely
10:37:28  <DJNekkid> anyway
10:37:30  <DJNekkid> whats up?
10:37:41  <DJNekkid> isnt it nice to sleep in from time to time? :)
10:37:42  <Ammler> we are laready out :-)
10:42:34  <Ammler> @topic change 1 s/dev./http://dev./
10:42:56  <Ammler> @topic change 1 s|dev.|http://dev.|
10:42:56  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about everything related to http://dev.lopment going on on"
10:43:08  *** DJNekkid sets mode: +o Ammler
10:43:22  <Ammler> mäh
10:43:30  <Ammler> regex ;-)
10:43:36  <Ammler> never op someone else
10:43:38  <Ammler> :-)
10:43:49  <Ammler> except you trust him
10:44:01  <Ammler> @undo
10:44:01  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on"
10:44:21  <Ammler> now, I am confused
10:45:38  <DJNekkid> i.e. i dont trust u?
10:47:12  <Ammler> hehe
10:48:04  <Ammler> the dutch trainset source looks like decompiled?
10:48:21  <DJNekkid> what do u mean?
10:48:37  <Ammler> grfcodec -d ...
10:48:58  <DJNekkid> aha
10:49:05  <Ammler> but you have permission to do so?
10:49:06  <DJNekkid> _some_ stuff are
10:49:08  <DJNekkid> yes i do
10:51:26  <Ammler> did you ask for the source or don't you need it?
10:51:58  <DJNekkid> there is no source, as its made with grfmaker
10:53:00  <Ammler> oh, ok.
10:54:01  <DJNekkid> but the only thing im basicly useing is the sprites
10:54:10  <DJNekkid> other code is "mine"
11:00:05  <DJNekkid> but, did we get any closer to a 2cc 1.0 ?
11:00:33  <Ammler> dunno, I just arrived too :-)
11:01:14  <DJNekkid> but, what about a title that (more or less) matches tt-forums' title?
11:01:30  <Ammler> dunno, how those things help to solve the issue, pm commited this morning :-)
11:01:43  <planetmaker> hm?
11:02:02  <planetmaker> I only played with windows bat file(s)
11:02:17  <planetmaker> and one script which has no relation to the language files so far
11:02:34  <planetmaker> but I heard that ammler has there some better procedure in store for that :)
11:02:37  <DJNekkid> it seems to work :)
11:02:59  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I'll upload a modified bat file to the site. Can you test that right now when uploaded?
11:03:16  <Ammler> he did :P
11:03:18  <DJNekkid> *pulled :)
11:03:48  <Ammler> The 2cc Train Set will drop the grf in sorting ;-)
11:04:01  <DJNekkid> skip "the"
11:04:07  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: not pull :)
11:04:08  <DJNekkid> but the trains of the world in 2cc etc
11:04:22  <planetmaker> <-- that one :)
11:04:26  <Ammler> yes, to the description?
11:04:42  <planetmaker> I only want to commit it, if it also works for you :)
11:05:08  <planetmaker> don't mind that there's one pause  too much :P
11:05:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_offline.bat (planetmaker) -
11:05:45  <DJNekkid> it seems to work for me :)
11:05:47  <planetmaker> it works for me.
11:05:52  <planetmaker> ok. Then I'll commit it.
11:06:03  <planetmaker> one question though: do all those warnings really need suppression?
11:06:15  <planetmaker> the only severe one which annoys me is 141...
11:06:24  <Ammler> pm that is a old renum, afaik
11:06:28  <DJNekkid> whats 141 again?
11:06:33  <planetmaker> high ID
11:06:36  <DJNekkid> yea
11:06:48  <DJNekkid> that one cannot be supressed by my old version of renum
11:06:54  <planetmaker> e.g. for linux I have only that one active and all others shown
11:07:10  <planetmaker> this one... suppresses many. But well. doesn't matter too much
11:08:08  <planetmaker> ok, then you can revert and pull again, DJNekkid
11:08:25  <planetmaker> e.g. hg revert -a && hg pull -u
11:09:20  <planetmaker> he... I like it that I now can run everything on my laptop, too :)
11:09:38  <planetmaker> I manage the hg repo using macos and use the window batch file for processing ;)
11:09:57  <planetmaker> no need for lengthy ssh anymore.
11:10:05  <planetmaker> Now we just need a newer renum.
11:11:13  <Ammler> oh :-)
11:11:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 135: Change: make 2cc offline.bat way more modular (planetmaker) -
11:11:26  <Ammler> and do we have identical grfs now?
11:11:39  <planetmaker> no idea. I guess we still don't.
11:11:58  <planetmaker> Basically I made sure that I can make *a* grf on this machine now, too
11:12:07  <Ammler> maybe ask at #openttd for a newer win vesion?
11:14:01  <planetmaker> yes, that's what I thought of. And will do
11:14:05  <DJNekkid> i added mine, rev 135, under vet 1.1
11:14:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.grf (DJNekkid) -
11:14:46  <Ammler> 1.1?
11:15:00  <DJNekkid> to sort it from the 1000's of others :)
11:15:18  <Ammler> and we should "clean" the repo ;-)
11:15:29  <Ammler> I mean the download area
11:15:33  <DJNekkid> yes
11:15:40  <DJNekkid> henve why i added under the 1.1 tag
11:15:43  <DJNekkid> you guys do the same
11:15:50  <planetmaker> hehe. I uploaded a screenshot how it looks when I work on this set :)
11:15:59  <planetmaker> really nice this seamless integration.
11:16:05  <planetmaker> Uploaded my r135
11:16:12  <Ammler> but keep renum and grfcodec
11:16:14  <planetmaker> well... uploading
11:16:20  <planetmaker> yes
11:16:44  <DJNekkid> SAME!!!!!!
11:17:14  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes. mine is made with the same script as yours
11:17:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - pm_2cc_working.png (planetmaker) -
11:17:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.grf (planetmaker) -
11:17:18  <planetmaker> not with linux :)
11:17:26  <planetmaker> e.g. also on windows
11:17:46  <planetmaker> now it'll be interesting if Ammler also gets the same.
11:19:15  <Ammler> f7fd6442f03121bb5662ca368f631ac2  2cc_trainset.grf
11:19:33  <Ammler> he doesn't
11:19:37  <Ammler> upload the nfo?
11:19:52  <DJNekkid> guys, i have an idea
11:19:59  <DJNekkid> make three sections ...
11:20:03  <DJNekkid> DJ - ammler - pm
11:20:39  <planetmaker> It only needs two: linux and windows
11:20:52  <planetmaker> I get the same as Ammler on linux and the same as you on windows
11:21:10  <planetmaker> so it's an intrinsic problem that things get differently processed
11:21:32  <Ammler> but wasn't the last time, we tested
11:21:55  <Ammler> could I have a nfo from you to "kompare"
11:22:05  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: please always add to the description that the file is from you (or from windows)
11:22:33  <DJNekkid> i used to, but it dont show up anywhere
11:22:46  <planetmaker> mouse over effect
11:22:57  <DJNekkid> oh...
11:23:09  <planetmaker> would be better if it shows directly, though, yes
11:23:11  <DJNekkid> i still lack the 20kb or so
11:23:15  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (Ammler) -
11:23:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo.bak (DJNekkid) -
11:23:27  <Ammler> bak?
11:23:35  <planetmaker> oh:P
11:23:40  <DJNekkid> thats the unrenumed version
11:23:52  <Ammler> I need renumed version
11:24:02  <planetmaker> there's one from me, Ammler
11:24:03  <Ammler> or don't I?
11:24:08  <planetmaker> A renum-ed version
11:24:25  <planetmaker> in the un-named section
11:24:27  <DJNekkid> well, unrenumed is more interesteing
11:24:34  <planetmaker> no, it isn't
11:24:36  <DJNekkid> as the renumed one will show its warnings and stuff
11:24:46  <planetmaker> hm... also true
11:25:33  <Ammler> nfo are fine
11:25:42  <Ammler> so it is just, dunno :-)
11:25:47  <Ammler> version differences, maybe
11:26:17  <Ammler> the only diff on the nfo is the warning about 42
11:26:19  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (planetmaker) -
11:26:41  <Ammler> and an additional line at the header of mine.
11:27:16  <DJNekkid> did you update your grfcodec or something?
11:27:42  <Ammler> I use the newest avaialbe self compiled version, yes :-)
11:28:01  <Ammler> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2103
11:28:12  <DJNekkid> i use 2101
11:28:21  <Ammler> hmm
11:28:24  <DJNekkid> as thats the lastet available on forums
11:28:30  <Ammler> let me check the changelog
11:29:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (DJNekkid) -
11:29:38  <Ammler> 2103. Fix a missing #include on some systems and some signedness warnings.
11:29:55  <Ammler> WAS 02
11:30:04  <Ammler> now 2103: Refactor reading of \<bwd> escapes to make planned expansion easier.
11:33:18  <Ammler> I have still the same md5sum, also with that grfcodec
11:33:29  <Ammler> might be renum
11:33:34  <Ammler> what version do you use there?
11:33:42  <planetmaker> 3.4.6
11:33:53  <Ammler> what rev?
11:33:59  <planetmaker> dunno
11:34:02  <planetmaker> doesn't tell
11:34:17  <Ammler> anyway
11:34:35  <planetmaker> that's funny. windows already warns about low battery, mac doesn't yet :)
11:35:03  <planetmaker> "change battery immediately or switch to external power" oh well. I still have 15 minutes :)
11:38:13  <Ammler> cd152e7b8a0e48312b71762b0278e3ad
11:38:23  <DJNekkid> thats what i have in windows
11:38:27  <Ammler> now, I used "your" nfo with my codec
11:38:54  <planetmaker> oh? so, same? Hm... does maybe the bat file not copy one nfo file?
11:38:58  <Ammler> so the warnings have influence to the grf?
11:39:09  <DJNekkid> well "my" nfo is made from "your" scripts :)
11:39:32  <Ammler> [13:26] <Ammler> the only diff on the nfo is the warning about 42
11:39:33  <Ammler> [13:26] <Ammler> and an additional line at the header of mine.
11:40:02  <planetmaker> what's the max sprite count in both nfo?
11:41:43  <planetmaker> Ammler: check :P
11:41:51  <planetmaker> wrong nfo name there :P
11:42:08  <Ammler> pm it is the same everywhere else
11:42:30  <Ammler> omg
11:42:33  <Ammler> :-$
11:43:27  <planetmaker> that solves it. I'll commit
11:44:12  <Ammler> you did that nice var things only for the batch?
11:45:05  <Ammler> cd152e7b8a0e48312b71762b0278e3ad  2cc_trainset.grf
11:45:10  <planetmaker> well. I was playing this morning only with the bat. But the name in was wrong since the release commit I made
11:45:19  <planetmaker> so it lingered there since then
11:46:02  <Ammler> do I see it right, I am the onlyone using the sh script now?
11:46:22  <planetmaker> no. I'll use both :)
11:47:01  <planetmaker> but might be that I'll more often use the windows one. Doesn't mean that I don't want a working bash solution. I still hope for a native mac renum...
11:47:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 136: Fix: wrong nfo name in scripts/ (planetmaker) -
11:48:03  <planetmaker> and that said: DJNekkid maybe we should install that stuff:
11:48:13  <planetmaker> it'd allow us to script many things. Very similar to linux
11:49:11  <planetmaker> well. I'm happy actually that the windows vs. linux difference is actually no difference :)
11:49:27  <Ammler> planetmaker: you can include external batch, only, if they are in the same dir?
11:49:47  <planetmaker> dunno. Probably it's also possible otherwise. But I havene't figured out how.
11:49:52  <DJNekkid> instlaling :)
11:50:03  <DJNekkid> or something :)
11:50:10  <planetmaker> you mean, pulling? :)
11:50:22  <Ammler> so GUYS
11:50:29  <Ammler> RELEASE TIME!
11:50:33  <planetmaker> Ammler: maybe we should unify bash / bat as much as possible :)
11:50:57  <planetmaker> and more important: have a common variable file for them
11:50:58  <Ammler> then I rewrite the whole language sed stuff :-)
11:51:14  <planetmaker> yes, release time :)
11:51:28  <Ammler> oh
11:51:30  <Ammler> wait
11:51:34  <planetmaker> no? :S
11:51:36  <Ammler> how are the langues now?
11:51:55  <Ammler> is portugeues fine?
11:52:03  <Ammler> then I copy it to brazilian
11:52:32  <planetmaker> should be yes.
11:53:41  <DJNekkid> installed ...
11:53:44  <DJNekkid> sh.exe is there
11:53:54  <planetmaker> he. minimum version has to be r16374 @ DJNekkid
11:54:05  <DJNekkid> really?
11:54:10  <planetmaker> or the Portugues language will have errors.
11:54:14  <planetmaker> UTF-8 stuff
11:54:17  <DJNekkid> 0.7.x dont work?
11:54:35  <planetmaker> 0.7.1 will work then, I guess. but it will have a higher rXXX also :)
11:54:48  <planetmaker> or we don't care about a wrong character and keep it as is.
11:54:55  <DJNekkid> whwn is that due?
11:55:06  <planetmaker> soon, I guess. it's already an RC2 out
11:55:09  <DJNekkid> oki...
11:55:10  <DJNekkid> :)
11:55:16  <DJNekkid> then it's fine
11:55:26  <DJNekkid> did you chjange it to 16374?
11:55:37  <planetmaker> how? Only you have access to bananas :)
11:55:51  <planetmaker> oh... the source? No.
11:56:08  <planetmaker> Well... It's not critical. Except you use portuguese
11:56:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 137: new copy of Brazilian Portuguese from Portuguese (Ammler) -
11:56:18  <planetmaker> then you'll wonder
11:56:29  <planetmaker> check out yourself how it looks :)
11:56:47  <Ammler> DJNekkid: don't forget to add the description
11:57:00  <planetmaker> and make it a custom license :)
11:57:03  <Ammler> you spoke about this morning
11:57:18  <Ammler> I meant to the grf itself
11:57:20  <planetmaker> e.g. quote the readme.txt as license file
11:57:47  <planetmaker> and include the gpl.txt, too
11:58:54  <Ammler>
11:59:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 138: changed requierd version to 16374 (DJNekkid) -
11:59:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 139: changed requierd version to 16374 (DJNekkid) -
12:00:00  <Ammler> which files except the grf are in the pack?
12:00:41  <planetmaker> readme.txt gpl.txt I think
12:00:46  <Ammler> I wouldn't include the gpl.txt to the pack, else someone could thing, everything is gpl
12:00:56  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ?
12:01:09  <DJNekkid> 2cc...grf
12:01:10  <planetmaker> Ammler: the readme explicitly states the license...
12:01:15  <DJNekkid> gpl and readme.txt
12:01:17  <DJNekkid> readme.html
12:01:22  <planetmaker> ok.
12:01:27  <DJNekkid> and that one only redirect to the 2cc-webpage
12:01:46  <planetmaker> hm... ok
12:03:31  <Ammler> well, the grf isn't gpl, so why add it there?
12:03:42  <Ammler> (sadly :-)
12:04:50  <DJNekkid> so...
12:04:55  <planetmaker> well... it's half gpl. And gpl'ed code requires to be accompanied by gpl license :)
12:04:57  <DJNekkid> readme.* and *.grf ? :)
12:05:05  <planetmaker> only one grf, or?
12:05:13  <DJNekkid> only one :)
12:05:21  <planetmaker> 2cc_trainset.grf?
12:05:23  <DJNekkid> yes
12:05:28  <DJNekkid> i just didnt bother to write it out
12:05:38  <Ammler> the nfo is gpl, which you added a link to from the readme
12:05:57  <Ammler> we can also leave a final nfo in the download section here
12:06:03  <planetmaker> well, I *think* that gpl.txt should go with it. the readme specifies what it refers to. Does readme.html have the same license information as readme.txt?
12:06:45  <planetmaker> hm... it doesn't :S
12:07:10  <planetmaker> I actually would advocate to NOT include readme.txt. People will assume they're the same. But they aren't
12:07:33  <planetmaker> readme.txt also links to the website, so that's still given.
12:07:35  <Ammler> you meant the *.thml
12:07:52  <planetmaker> I mean to not include readme.html. Yes, ty
12:08:11  <Ammler> well, the html should be the same
12:08:45  <Ammler> means, we need to update the web with release anyway
12:08:48  <DJNekkid> the readme.html im including is only a redirect to the
12:09:01  <planetmaker> well. the readme.txt has several webpages in it concerning information
12:09:08  <Ammler> maybe call it something else?
12:09:19  <Ammler> like website.html or so?
12:09:20  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes... but the website still states different license terms
12:09:32  <planetmaker> what Ammler sais seems reasonable, I think
12:09:43  <Ammler> or home or manual or wahtever
12:09:56  <Ammler> planetmaker: that needs to be changed :P
12:10:10  <DJNekkid> manual it is :)
12:11:25  <Ammler> so dj nekkid is writing a imense huge forum post about 2cc release
12:11:39  <Ammler> planetmaker will write a even bigger blog article
12:11:44  <Ammler> what shall I do?
12:11:50  <planetmaker> manual sounds good
12:12:04  <planetmaker> I'll leave for the rest of the day :P
12:12:11  <planetmaker> I'm here already too long
12:12:12  <DJNekkid> so ...
12:12:24  <DJNekkid> i'll pull, update, compile, pack and upload? :)
12:12:39  <planetmaker> ok
12:12:50  <planetmaker> Ammler will update the tag to the current version :)
12:13:30  <planetmaker> I'll push a change to the readme.html nontheless
12:16:59  <Ammler> do you know, why rubidium left the #openttd ?
12:22:45  <planetmaker> I think he has some disagreements with petern
12:23:14  <planetmaker> like his language nazi behaviour and "no stupid people here" things
12:23:29  <planetmaker> upon one of those latter statements he left afaik
12:23:54  <planetmaker> :D
12:24:38  <Ammler> heh
12:25:13  <planetmaker> be aware, I push a new readme.html
12:25:51  <planetmaker> pushed
12:26:05  <Ammler> the push should be again faster
12:26:20  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 140: Change: make readme.html reflect the split license for this set (planetmaker) -
12:26:22  <planetmaker> maybe you have a look at the re-worked readme.html...
12:26:24  <Ammler> you don't need to wait until redmine catched everything
12:26:29  <planetmaker> hm, Ammler ?
12:26:45  <Ammler> didn't you complain about how slow push is?
12:26:55  <planetmaker> uhm... no?
12:26:58  <Ammler> :-)
12:27:10  <Ammler> so ignore what I said :-)
12:27:15  <planetmaker> well. I wondered why you made it a 2 minutes update frequency instead of update upon push
12:29:28  <Ammler> it is a push hook now
12:29:32  <planetmaker> bäh... 27°C here.
12:29:36  <planetmaker> too warm for me.
12:29:57  <Ammler> nice weather on the balcony
12:30:02  <planetmaker> yes, indeed :)
12:30:32  <planetmaker> I need to get some sun protection umbrella or so, though
12:31:15  <DJNekkid> "unknown file in pack - gpl.txt" ... from BaNaNaS
12:31:23  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: can you have a look at the readme.html as pushed?
12:31:25  <planetmaker> what?
12:31:37  <planetmaker> what does that mean?
12:32:19  <DJNekkid> uknown file in pack: manual.html
12:32:49  <planetmaker> uhm... yes. how do you upload it? as a tar? a zip? I just don't know
12:33:09  <planetmaker> and ask Rubidium about it :)
12:33:15  <planetmaker> in #openttd.noai :)
12:33:17  <DJNekkid> a zip
12:33:28  <DJNekkid> i just removed the two files, and it worked
12:33:35  <planetmaker> hm
12:33:40  <DJNekkid> they probably only accept *.grf and readme.*
12:34:35  <planetmaker> I'll ask Rubidium
12:34:45  <planetmaker> join the channel and see maybe yourself :)
12:35:07  <planetmaker> in the hope that he'll answer it :)
12:40:19  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: then we skip manual.html and rename (or copy?) readme.txt to license.txt ?
12:40:38  <DJNekkid> readme.txt were accepted :)
12:40:49  <Ammler> or use cc-nd license
12:40:50  <planetmaker> but not as custom license. As it states.
12:41:10  <planetmaker> I think we just copy it.
12:41:14  <Ammler> bananas doesn't relly matter, which license it shows
12:41:15  <DJNekkid> CC-BY-NC-SA v3.0 ?
12:41:22  <DJNekkid> or is that ND ?
12:41:23  <planetmaker> hm. I'd prefer custom
12:41:39  <planetmaker> as we still have the ND part for the images
12:41:46  <Ammler> DJNekkid: ND is the important part for purno
12:42:19  <planetmaker> I really would like it custom.
12:42:44  <Ammler> I really don't care about what banans shows, more important is the readme and it is up there :-)
12:42:55  <planetmaker> well. Why not do it properly?
12:43:07  <planetmaker> just copy readme.txt to license.txt and we're set
12:43:16  <Ammler> nah
12:43:19  <Ammler> that is crap
12:43:19  <planetmaker> yes :)
12:43:22  <planetmaker> why?
12:43:29  <Ammler> who reads it then?
12:43:38  <planetmaker> I said copy :)
12:43:39  <Ammler> who does expect help on a license file
12:43:46  <planetmaker> not rename :)
12:44:02  <Ammler> ah ok
12:44:26  <planetmaker> we could make a license file seperate. But I cannot be arsed right now :P
12:44:55  <Ammler> I wouldn't, bananas should be fixed somewhen anyway.
12:45:05  <Ammler> time*
12:45:21  <planetmaker> that's why just copy
12:45:25  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ?
12:45:47  <DJNekkid> im trying to upload it
12:45:54  <planetmaker> as license.txt?
12:46:12  <DJNekkid> yes
12:46:22  <planetmaker> maybe you have to skip the .txt
12:46:28  <planetmaker> if I read the website correctly
12:46:43  <planetmaker> hm. no
12:47:01  <planetmaker> without, .txt and .pdf are accepted
12:47:24  <DJNekkid> There is already a package with the exact same footprint
12:47:37  <DJNekkid> as i uploaded it to bananas already
12:48:10  <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you make the grf with tip?
12:48:51  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ask Rubidium to delete / modify it
12:49:16  <planetmaker> e.g. to change the license of the uploaded stuff to custom with the supplied readme
12:49:19  <planetmaker> as license
12:50:27  <Ammler> oh 1.0.0 :-(
12:50:34  <planetmaker> what?
12:50:43  <Ammler> well, you might like that
12:50:45  <planetmaker> shouldn't
12:51:03  <Ammler> just thought, we agreed on 1.0
12:51:37  <Ammler> what is the issue now?
12:51:45  <planetmaker> The scripts should also make a 1.0 and not 1.0.0
12:52:12  <Ammler> oh, so only on banans?
12:52:22  <Ammler> then it is ok :-)
12:52:26  <DJNekkid> only on bananas
12:52:56  <planetmaker> :)
12:53:34  <planetmaker> hm....
12:53:40  <Ammler> you know, there is no 2cc in bananas anymore?
12:53:49  <DJNekkid>
12:53:55  <planetmaker> ok, then we leave it as is.
12:54:41  <planetmaker> nice
12:54:47  <DJNekkid> looks ok?
12:54:50  <planetmaker> yes
12:54:51  <Ammler> DJNekkid: brazilian is just a copy
12:54:52  <DJNekkid> or should we add something?
12:55:08  <Ammler> wouldn't add that, could annoy a brazilian guy
12:55:53  <planetmaker> ok. Seems like we change the license with another version. Only TB seems to be able to modify the bananas DB.
12:55:57  <planetmaker> nvm then
12:56:36  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: could you upload the modified readme.html, though, to the website?
12:56:49  <planetmaker> Then at least we tell there, too what the true license is :)
12:56:51  <Ammler> rubi is able too, but he might not want to ;-)
12:57:00  <DJNekkid>
12:57:02  <planetmaker> he says he hasn't the PW.
12:57:07  <Ammler> he
12:57:08  <planetmaker> with him right now
12:57:16  <Ammler> I am kinda sure, he is root there
12:57:32  <DJNekkid> smells "im busy, leave me alone" :)
12:57:54  <DJNekkid> [14:51:41] <@Rubidium> not at the moment; don't have the password to change it here. Maybe TB can help you
12:57:56  <planetmaker> well. I guess, you might be right.
12:58:01  <DJNekkid> <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16398 /trunk/src/newgrf_spritegroup.h: -Feature: make NewGRF callbacks work again; honouring the 'features' of, which was released only 5 years ago.
12:58:17  <planetmaker> hahaha :)
12:58:18  <DJNekkid> [14:56:37] <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16398...
12:59:03  <planetmaker> ok. Nice, we have a release. Then I'm on holiday for the rest of the day :)
12:59:11  <planetmaker> CU guys, maybe this evening
12:59:17  <DJNekkid> lol
12:59:37  <planetmaker> :)
12:59:52  <DJNekkid> now, go play some ottd with the 2cc set :)
13:00:02  <DJNekkid> ill upload the new readme.html as well
13:00:31  <planetmaker> I will, I will. We should anyway start a new PS game :)
13:01:31  <planetmaker> but now I've to get some presents... :)
13:01:43  <planetmaker> *buy
14:06:53  <Ammler> guys, gratulation :-)
14:07:11  <Ammler> will you update the homepage, too?
14:07:14  <DJNekkid> ty :)
14:07:18  <DJNekkid> i did
14:25:11  <planetmaker> back. Congraz also to you Ammler :)
14:25:24  <planetmaker> it wouldn't be quite what it is w/o you :)
14:27:05  <Ammler> well, you excess
14:27:19  <Ammler> how that is called in english ;-)
14:27:52  <Ammler> planetmaker: I thought, you added the translators to credtis?
14:28:10  <planetmaker> exagerate.
14:28:24  <planetmaker> yes, I did...?
14:28:38  <planetmaker> in the readme.txt and on the home of the website
14:28:46  <planetmaker> or is it missing?
14:28:49  <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you set a min version for 2cc?
14:29:10  <DJNekkid> hyes
14:29:12  <Ammler> maybe I need to force requery
14:29:18  <Ammler> DJNekkid: I wouldn't
14:29:31  <Ammler> it isn't available on my stable openttd anymore
14:29:41  <Ammler> or you should then set a version for the old version too
14:31:06  <planetmaker> :D
14:31:14  <planetmaker> Ammler: it will soon work with 0.7.1
14:31:32  <planetmaker> and Portuguese looks funny for older ones
14:31:54  <planetmaker> At least I *think* that the utf-fix will be back-ported. I would wonder when not done.
14:32:01  <Ammler> yeah, but better then not available imo.
14:32:16  <Ammler> now, you can't download the 2cc with banans anymore
14:32:22  <planetmaker> well... it's not in the grf itself. Only on bananas.
14:32:29  <planetmaker> the old one?
14:32:33  <Ammler> none
14:32:34  <planetmaker> you can, can't you?
14:32:48  <Ammler> not with 0.7.0
14:32:59  <planetmaker> oh. that's interesting. I thought 0.7.0 would download the beta 2.02?
14:33:15  <planetmaker> well. If you have it, you don't download it.
14:33:29  <Ammler> DJNekkid: mind to share your banans account?
14:33:39  <Ammler> you can change the pw after I took a look
14:34:55  <planetmaker> or before ;)
14:35:37  <Ammler> before of course too, if you use it somewhere else.
14:49:34  <Ammler>
14:53:44  <DJNekkid> sorry, were afk, agin :=)
14:53:46  <DJNekkid> let me change the pb
14:53:47  <DJNekkid> pv
14:54:19  <DJNekkid> pw is mandag
14:54:23  <planetmaker> :P
14:54:33  <DJNekkid> and DJNekkid
14:54:38  <planetmaker> and login...? :)
14:54:42  <planetmaker> nvm
14:55:57  <DJNekkid> ^^
14:56:39  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: why did you set a minimal version for beta 2.02 to infinity?
14:56:56  <DJNekkid> 13500 IIRC
14:57:05  <planetmaker> it was something like 1110049585
14:58:06  <DJNekkid> i mean, i have no idea
14:58:33  <planetmaker> :O something's odd there. The amount of dependencies is... stunning at least
14:58:36  <planetmaker> for the beta
14:59:09  <Ammler> "Note: The translation of Portuguese has some glitches in pre r17374 releases which also 0.7.0 belongs to."
14:59:37  <Ammler> and you should ask petern, if that fix will be backported
14:59:47  <planetmaker> usually all fixes are back-ported
14:59:53  <planetmaker> no need to quarrel :)
14:59:57  <Ammler> ok
15:00:06  <planetmaker> it's not a new feature after all.
15:00:10  <Ammler> but it isn't in the RC2?
15:00:53  <DJNekkid> it came you yesteryesterday
15:01:00  <Ammler> i would prefer such a text in the describtion instead of using the version limit
15:02:10  <planetmaker> well. RC2 hasn't it.
15:02:41  <Ammler> ok, does someone already update the bananas?
15:03:10  <DJNekkid> im trying to
15:03:17  <DJNekkid> but Ammler: can u fit that text into 31 chars? :)
15:03:21  <DJNekkid> it's all i have left
15:03:23  <Ammler> I wouldn't use nightly revs
15:03:35  <Ammler> just set max version to 0.7.0
15:03:49  <Ammler> for the alphas/betas
15:04:01  <DJNekkid> good iea
15:04:43  <Ammler> hmm, still no 2cc in my 0.7.0
15:05:08  <DJNekkid> try now
15:08:26  <DJNekkid> anyway, im afk again, gotta do some shopping etc... beer sales close in 52 mins
15:08:47  <planetmaker> :)
15:08:54  <planetmaker> important indeed :P
15:09:29  <planetmaker> hm... or we set the minimum version to the nightly we have on the server now :)
15:09:34  <Ammler> no beer for me :-(
15:09:44  <planetmaker> come and get some here :)
15:09:47  <planetmaker> you're invited
15:10:05  <Ammler> don't you own me some?
15:10:27  <planetmaker> Not yet :) DBXL 0.9 isn't on bananas :)
15:10:41  <planetmaker> but duke nukem forever isn't released either :D
15:11:13  <Ammler> DJNekkid: what do you think about posting the account infos on that manager page?
15:11:19  <Ammler> it is private.
15:11:40  <Ammler>
15:12:02  <planetmaker> hm... it's his private account he also uses for other sets, I think
15:12:40  <planetmaker> what's the magic bulldozer patch, Ammler? :O
15:13:09  <Ammler> enables controle over the cheat from console
15:13:39  <Ammler> planetmaker: only 2cc yet
15:13:55  <planetmaker> hm?
15:14:04  <planetmaker> ah nvm
15:14:06  <Ammler> but that is the idea behind it.
15:14:41  <Ammler> if he don't want something not accessable for us, he could make another account for it.
15:18:33  <planetmaker> hm, yes :)
15:18:46  <planetmaker> makes IMO sense to some degree.
15:18:59  <planetmaker> Bananas just needs rights management so that it allows multiple authors.
15:42:12  <Ammler> I liked to rename my account to openttdcoop
15:42:17  <Ammler> but that isn't possilbe
15:42:30  <Ammler> so I created a new Account and share my old for the grfs
15:45:03  <Ammler> DJNekkid: I changed your pw and added it the Manager wiki
15:45:08  <Ammler> as you posted it here
15:47:46  <planetmaker> ok.
15:59:23  <DJNekkid> back
15:59:53  <planetmaker> wb
16:00:03  <planetmaker> Ammler: concerning OpenGFX
16:00:16  <planetmaker> I still didn't write foobar. What shall I write him?
16:00:26  <planetmaker> use hg? use bazaar? use whatever you like?
16:00:40  <planetmaker> I'd like to write him "join IRC" :P
16:00:43  <Ammler> that we are happy to host it in any way, but prefer hg ;-)
16:00:57  <Ammler> planetmaker: ype, that might be the easiest
16:01:17  <DJNekkid> why do you need him btw?
16:01:58  <Ammler> DJNekkid: he is the manager of it like you from 2cc
16:02:13  <DJNekkid> ahh ...
16:02:16  <DJNekkid> like that :)
16:02:22  <Ammler> :-)
16:02:36  <Ammler> the one with the last word ;-)
16:03:48  <DJNekkid> hehe
16:04:49  <Ammler> why isn't the GRFID of 2cc not something like 02 CC 00 02 ;-)
16:05:55  <DJNekkid> yes :)
16:10:04  <DJNekkid> btw, i'd like to add a couple of lines to the dutch tramset as well :)
16:10:38  <Ammler> you guys have no imagination :P
16:10:51  <DJNekkid> ...???
16:11:23  <Ammler> DJNekkid: any reason why ou link to the forum instead of the website?
16:11:30  <Ammler> (from bananas?)
16:11:39  <DJNekkid> *whistle*
16:12:57  <planetmaker> *trumpet* :P
16:13:32  <DJNekkid> seems like someone fixed it :)
16:14:49  <Ammler> did you realize my pw change, didn't know if you come back...
16:15:11  <DJNekkid> yes, i saw that
16:15:38  <Ammler> ok, just if you feel, you need to make it private again... remove it there :-)
16:15:47  <DJNekkid> i dont mind :=)
16:17:46  <planetmaker> :)
16:17:50  * planetmaker hugs DJNekkid
16:18:04  <planetmaker> you're a right community-minded guy :) I like that
16:19:20  <DJNekkid> i dont earn any money from this anyway, so why not?
16:19:38  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes. same here.
16:19:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you add ttrs to bananas?
16:19:45  <Ammler> or was it thgergo?
16:19:54  <Ammler> tbrs
16:20:09  <planetmaker> well, I wouldn't go for public logins, but I'd change rather bananas to accept multiple logins per grf. But yeah
16:20:13  <planetmaker> Ammler: thgergo
16:20:31  <planetmaker> I won't openly violate terms of usage. Not that obviously at least :)
16:20:55  <Ammler> yeah, all grfs should be public for everyone per default
16:21:20  <Ammler> and only for those, who don't trust the humans, can claim exclusively
16:21:20  <planetmaker> well... might be useful, yes
16:21:34  <planetmaker> but then anyone can make them closed :)
16:21:43  <Ammler> (for everyone with login)
16:22:06  <Ammler> check
16:22:17  <Ammler> I can edit there almost every project
16:22:24  <Ammler> I already did for OpenTTD
16:22:53  <Ammler> you need of course a history
16:23:10  <planetmaker> of course. But that doesn't hurt
16:23:42  <Ammler> I feel so sorry, TB and Rubi have so bad feeling about the community. That makes me whineing
16:24:11  <Ammler> well, it mostly TB, but anyway.
16:25:31  <Ammler> wikipedia should show them the other way, sadly they missed that.
16:26:02  <DJNekkid> (off topic: my god i hate klaas remixes)
16:26:14  <Ammler> klaas?
16:26:38  <Ammler> I was a bit OT, either ;-)
16:26:40  <DJNekkid> a dude who remixes commercial house music
16:27:05  <Ammler> don't listen that kind of music.
16:30:55  <planetmaker> hehe. FooBar won't do the 2cc set's Dutch translation :P - now that it is already done ;)
16:35:44  <Ammler> DJNekkid: do you have stats for the homepage?
16:35:52  <Ammler> to see the downlods number?
16:35:55  <DJNekkid> yes
16:36:09  <DJNekkid> some google thingy
16:36:13  <DJNekkid> heavent used it in ages
16:36:14  <Ammler> just wondering, if there will be still some, who downloads from there
16:36:24  <DJNekkid> yes :)
16:36:50  <DJNekkid> check the htmls and see the ID or something... i dont remember how i used to do it tbh
16:36:58  <Ammler> oh, btw. do we need to make a branch for 1.0?
16:37:09  <Ammler> for version 1.0.1 :-)
16:37:35  <Ammler> :-)
16:37:50  <DJNekkid> nah?
16:38:01  <Ammler> hehe
16:38:08  <DJNekkid> _if_ there are any bugs we just fix them on the fly, and make a 1.0.1 1.0.2 etc
16:38:15  <Ammler> do you fear branching?
16:38:27  <DJNekkid> right now i do :)
16:39:00  <Ammler> DJNekkid: but then, that versions will also have main changes like translation system
16:39:20  <DJNekkid> oki
16:39:34  <DJNekkid> i dont mind neither i guess, just tell me what to do :p
16:39:35  <Ammler> but seriously, I never did a branch myself with hg, either.
16:40:28  <Ammler> hg branch
16:40:41  <Ammler> that all
16:40:49  <Ammler> branch default is like svn trunk
16:42:45  <planetmaker> hehe. Neither did I :)
16:42:55  <planetmaker> So, yes, I fear it somewhat, too :)
16:43:02  <Ammler> might be the right moment to learn something new :-P
16:43:07  <planetmaker> :) indeed.
16:43:25  <Ammler> I check the hg book about branching
16:43:52  <planetmaker> Ammler: what about this: we make a backup on the server (e.g. just copy the dir) and then we go ahead. If it really breaks... we just copy it bakc
16:43:54  <planetmaker> *back
16:44:19  <Ammler> I guess, that is also mentioned as branch in the book :-)
16:44:42  <planetmaker> :D : "the number of spritegroups got halved when the new pool was added, which mean there weren't enough spritegroups when you have more than about a dozen ECS vectors."
16:44:49  <planetmaker> yeah, right
16:51:35  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: did you install / copy the windows tools I linked earlier?
16:52:00  <DJNekkid> im not sure, witch ones?
16:52:09  <DJNekkid> that gnu4windows thingy?
16:52:10  <DJNekkid> ish
16:52:30  <DJNekkid> in that case no, the server(s) had some error(s) so that the DL didnt work
16:53:06  <planetmaker> he. I just noticed :P
16:53:21  <planetmaker> I'll search for something easy then which does kinda the same, if you don't mind
16:53:36  <planetmaker> such tools would really make our grf-making life easier :)
16:53:55  <DJNekkid> Ammler spoke about some kind of precompiler one day ...
16:53:58  <planetmaker> I don't want a big overhead, just some small, nice tools :)
16:54:09  <DJNekkid> where we could add (for example) $icm instead of it's vehicle Id
16:54:18  <DJNekkid> and then we could do the same with the langages
16:54:24  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: well, yes, if we install cygwin or bottd, we'd have it.
16:54:39  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes, I had the idea of the vehicle ideas, too :) I like it :)
16:54:46  <Ammler> no cygwin
16:54:54  <planetmaker> minigw. sorry
16:54:54  <Ammler> mingw should do the job
16:55:09  <DJNekkid> -pax instead of "le pax" (for french)
16:55:16  <DJNekkid> and then "le pax" is only defined once
16:55:24  <Ammler> and it is very easy to install with the wiki
16:55:24  <planetmaker> I even though about replacing properties with that - or at least allowing it ;)
16:55:34  <planetmaker> yes
16:55:38  <Ammler> or if you don't want to use it, bottd does it for you, too.
16:55:42  <planetmaker> mingw...
16:56:04  <Ammler> bottd is a nice mingw installer
16:56:24  <planetmaker> hm... I guess mingw *is* what we want :)
16:56:26  <Ammler> and you have also everything which is needed for openttd itself too.
16:56:43  <DJNekkid> hmm
16:56:49  <Ammler> but I have no idea about hg support
16:57:03  <DJNekkid> im wondering if the "space" char in opengfx is wrongly positioned in a pcx file
16:57:09  <DJNekkid> i get a white line at the top of it
16:57:25  <planetmaker> hm... might be.
16:57:28  <planetmaker> report it :)
16:57:55  <Ammler> there is already an update for the font in the thread
16:58:20  <planetmaker> he. that's cool. If it works, I can create binaries for linux, win and mac :)
16:59:18  <DJNekkid> well, the newspaper font atleast
17:02:02  * planetmaker installs mingw
17:04:49  <planetmaker> he... install seems easy. Download installer and then click it, select additionally g++ and make and hit "install"
17:05:05  <planetmaker> will install like 70MB.
17:05:14  <DJNekkid> i've done that before :)
17:05:37  <planetmaker> and?
17:05:57  <planetmaker> you don't have them then anymore? Me wonders...
17:14:44  <DJNekkid> changed jobs, thus computers, twice since then :)
17:25:07  <Ammler> DJNekkid: could you add my google account to the analytics page, so I can check it too?
17:25:10  <Ammler>
17:27:19  <planetmaker> ah, ok @ DJNekkid :)
17:27:23  <DJNekkid> ok
17:27:25  <planetmaker> I just installed it. works
17:28:13  <DJNekkid> ADDED
17:28:15  <DJNekkid> sry
17:28:39  <planetmaker> :)
17:28:55  <planetmaker> now install mingw, too :) And I can go and edit the make script(s) :P
17:29:17  <planetmaker>
17:29:53  <planetmaker> make sure you change the default selection, I think. Include gcc and make
17:29:57  <Ammler> DJNekkid: but that is empty, isn't?
17:30:06  <DJNekkid> what is empty?
17:31:30  <DJNekkid>
17:31:39  <Ammler> the statistic on analytics page
17:31:47  <DJNekkid> ^^
17:31:48  <Ammler> no visits
17:31:58  <DJNekkid> i have 1095 visits
17:33:01  <Ammler> maybe you need to share the profile too?
17:34:02  <DJNekkid> ahh, sorry, try now
17:34:17  <DJNekkid> i needed to add the page for you to see
17:47:33  <Ammler> thanks
17:47:38  <DJNekkid> works now?
17:48:41  <Ammler> yes, interesting
17:49:49  <Ammler> hehe
17:49:50  <Ammler>  (referral)
17:49:52  <Ammler> 	128 	11.69%
17:50:05  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:51:10  <Ammler> <-- is that the file?
17:54:56  <DJNekkid> what file?
17:55:04  <DJNekkid> that is the number of downloads yes
17:55:45  <DJNekkid> btw, i've "fixed" the dutch tramset :)
17:56:10  <DJNekkid> now the p-list shows the correct capacity on the articulated vehicles :)
17:58:53  <Ammler> the tramset is from foobar, afaik
17:59:10  <DJNekkid> it is
17:59:17  <DJNekkid> and i did get the nfo and pcx from him
18:00:13  <DJNekkid>
18:01:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - dutramset.grf (DJNekkid) -
18:01:25  <Ammler> hehe
18:01:32  <planetmaker> ha. Msys also installed
18:01:34  <DJNekkid> sneak peak :)
18:01:37  <Ammler> you are kinda active dutch patcher ;-)
18:01:58  <DJNekkid> well ... the dutch tramset is probably the nicest out there
18:02:04  <DJNekkid> and tbh, i love dutch trains :)
18:02:21  <DJNekkid> and, beeing a DJ i love dutch music
18:02:32  <DJNekkid> and i love to be in the country as well...
18:02:42  <DJNekkid> cheap beer, cheap girls, and good music
18:02:48  <DJNekkid> i mean, cheap beer and good music :p
18:02:56  <Ammler> hehe
18:02:57  <planetmaker> looool!
18:03:19  <planetmaker> you're absolutely right, DJ :)
18:06:14  <Ammler> DJNekkid: <-- needs to be uploaded
18:07:11  <DJNekkid> i.e. a pull and upload to ?
18:07:28  <Ammler> well, you made the pull already, I assume
18:07:35  <Ammler> rev 140
18:07:48  <Ammler> credtis for the translators
18:08:07  <DJNekkid> i did :)
18:08:33  <DJNekkid> done
18:10:37  <planetmaker> Ammler: what is embedded module?
18:10:57  <Ammler> currently nothing :-(
18:11:09  <Ammler> it is meant to include hg managment
18:11:21  <Ammler> oh no
18:11:30  <Ammler> that is the other not working plugin ;-)
18:11:35  <DJNekkid> btw Ammler...
18:11:38  <planetmaker> ok, then I ltake it for opengfx. example and boards and time tracking?
18:11:42  <DJNekkid> is is hard to make such a HG databse?
18:11:45  <DJNekkid> *base
18:11:50  <Ammler> that one is for including html files to the project
18:12:13  <Ammler> planetmaker: no
18:12:26  <planetmaker> no = leave them?
18:12:38  <Ammler> switch everything off
18:12:46  <planetmaker> what? no modules installedß
18:12:50  <Ammler> expect tracker
18:12:54  <Ammler> and wiki maybe
18:12:58  <Ammler> well, what you need
18:13:06  <Ammler> everything is installed
18:13:17  <Ammler> but you can enable them, if needed
18:13:22  <planetmaker> well.... files, issues. ok
18:13:26  <planetmaker> what's repo?
18:13:35  <Ammler> for the repo
18:13:44  <planetmaker> which repo?
18:13:55  <Ammler> i.e. /home/ottdc/hg-repos/<project> for Mercurial
18:14:03  <planetmaker> well. I want to create a hg-repo for opengfx. So I'll need it.
18:14:04  <Ammler> the svn url for svn
18:14:17  <planetmaker> hg is fine for foobar
18:14:24  <Ammler> yes, but you should first create or clone the repo to ottdc
18:14:34  <Ammler> nice to hear
18:14:51  <Ammler> user is fine too?
18:15:02  <Ammler> or do we need to create a new user?
18:15:07  <planetmaker> our usual way. like we all of use use it with individual keys
18:15:21  <planetmaker> that's what I proposed and is IMO more secure on our part
18:15:29  <Ammler> you know how ot add keys?
18:15:50  <planetmaker> add them to .ssh/ssh...<whatever-it-was-called>
18:15:55  <planetmaker> or something else?
18:16:04  <Ammler> hehe
18:16:32  <Ammler> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
18:16:36  <planetmaker> yes
18:16:51  <planetmaker> that I meant :)
18:16:54  <Ammler> and I usually add the key as to that folder
18:17:11  <Ammler> then I cat >> authorized_keys
18:17:35  <planetmaker> yes, that's what I did so far, too :)
18:17:48  <planetmaker> I think I added ODM and DJNekkid :)
18:17:55  <Ammler> we might need to add the sshsharing feature for hg sometime
18:18:01  <planetmaker> or maybe SmatZ or combuster. dunno
18:18:07  <planetmaker> what's that?
18:18:21  <Ammler> so the key owner can only use the key for hg
18:18:37  <planetmaker> ah. well
18:18:38  <Ammler> and don't have full ssh access
18:18:42  <planetmaker> yes
18:18:45  <planetmaker> makes sense
18:18:52  <planetmaker> much sense :)
18:19:07  <Ammler> :-)
18:19:47  <Ammler> I moved my email to google, so there is no private data on that server anymore :-)
18:20:13  <Ammler> the only non coop thing there is rtorrent
18:20:18  <planetmaker> :D
18:20:34  <planetmaker> you're quite generous :)
18:20:37  * planetmaker hugs Ammler
18:20:55  <planetmaker> damn... my cheese grew fur... :(
18:20:57  <Ammler> well, thanks to gmail ;-)
18:21:20  <Ammler> but I was too lazy to maintain the spamfiler
18:21:44  <planetmaker> hehe :)
18:21:46  <Ammler> and now I can offer a nice email service for the whole family
18:21:48  <Ammler> for free
18:21:53  <DJNekkid> well guys
18:22:00  <DJNekkid> anything you need me for before i go?
18:22:16  <Ammler> hehe
18:22:23  <Ammler> go for how long?
18:22:25  <DJNekkid> *shakes booty*
18:22:33  <DJNekkid> i'll be back around ... 0400 i guess :)
18:22:56  <planetmaker> :D Enjoy, DJNekkid :)
18:23:01  <Ammler> we make a ticket and asign it to you, if it will be important :P
18:23:07  <planetmaker> one?
18:23:16  <planetmaker> hundreds!
18:23:44  <Ammler> google ananylitcs is very nice
18:23:45  <DJNekkid> not anything i can do when drunksick i hope?
18:24:11  <Ammler> release 2cc 2.0
18:25:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: tell foobar to register ;-)
18:25:56  <planetmaker> Ammler: at our dev page?
18:25:57  <planetmaker> yes
18:26:01  <Ammler> yeah
18:26:09  <planetmaker> I will. Empty repo created
18:26:28  <planetmaker> Ha, we have the biggest OpenTTD development server now :)
18:26:37  <planetmaker> (except the main server of the devs :)
18:27:06  <Ammler> hmm
18:27:19  <planetmaker> hm?
18:27:21  <Ammler> we need somehow to document how to keep it
18:27:27  <planetmaker> yes.
18:27:33  <planetmaker> we should
18:27:33  <Ammler> after server crash or movements
18:27:39  <planetmaker> :-x
18:27:51  <Ammler> well, the server crash can't happen
18:27:55  <planetmaker> no?
18:28:05  <Ammler> then it crashes a lot more
18:28:10  <Ammler> don't think that is possible
18:28:33  <Ammler> they have for sure RAID and other redundancy, don't you think so
18:28:57  <planetmaker> hm... yes. but... who knows.
18:29:01  <Ammler> it is imo, much more secure then a root
18:29:04  <DJNekkid> when i get my hands out of my ass i can install a 2x1TB cloned raid on my old computer
18:29:08  <planetmaker> they'll have a backup which they can just mirror back
18:29:21  <planetmaker> :O
18:30:49  <Ammler> currently I backup the redmine data to our www
18:31:01  <planetmaker> that's good.
18:31:27  <Ammler> that is 3.2 MB :-)
18:31:38  <planetmaker> what's the news module?
18:31:45  <planetmaker> is it the announcement here?
18:31:51  <Ammler> yes
18:31:57  <planetmaker> I'll enable it, then
18:32:04  <Ammler> and news would appear on the frontpage
18:32:17  <Ammler> it is like a blog
18:32:26  <Ammler> you can comment them
18:32:31  <Ammler> I used it for a51
18:33:15  <planetmaker> :)
18:33:24  <planetmaker> the root to the hg repository is...?
18:33:31  <planetmaker> hg/opengfx ?
18:33:37  <planetmaker> hg-repos/opengfx?
18:36:46  <planetmaker> nvm
18:36:51  <Ammler>  /home/ottdc/hg-repos/opengfx
18:38:17  <Ammler> planetmaker: we can enable to annouce the news also in #openttdcoop
18:39:09  <Ammler> but I thought, if something is worth to write news
18:39:14  <DJNekkid> k guys... we are off to a party now...
18:39:21  <Ammler> you could as good blog it
18:39:25  * DJNekkid DCC's two beers to each of you :)
18:39:26  <planetmaker> well... I'm not sure... sometimes yes, sometimes no :)
18:39:26  <Ammler> have fun, cu
18:39:33  <DJNekkid> tty 2morrow :)
18:39:33  <planetmaker> have fun, DJNekkid :)
18:39:48  <planetmaker> yes, a short blog should then be possible :P
18:39:59  <planetmaker> we need a blog writing script :P
18:40:01  <Ammler> a link to blog is on top :P
18:40:07  <planetmaker> where's ODM when he's needed?
18:40:15  <planetmaker> yes, I've seen it :)
18:40:24  <Ammler> what is ODM able to wirte?
18:40:28  <Ammler> can he php?
18:40:31  <Ammler> or ruby?
18:40:41  <Ammler> Osai could write ruby code btw.
18:40:46  <planetmaker> hm... can I create an account for FooBar and then mail him the login and pw? I think yes as he can change the pw, right?
18:40:54  <planetmaker> would allow me to make him manager right away
18:41:07  <planetmaker> Ammler: no, but ODM can blog post ;)
18:41:17  <planetmaker> my personal blogging slave :P
18:41:23  <Ammler> do oyu have email from him?
18:41:35  <planetmaker> from foobar? No. But forum pm
18:42:31  <planetmaker> btw, you have foobar's answer, too, via forum pm
18:42:38  <Ammler> I could add him with DB directly
18:42:44  <Ammler> but without email
18:42:58  <Ammler> like I added the other members
18:44:27  <planetmaker> yeah, that's what I thought
18:44:49  <planetmaker> well.... DB directly? Means?
18:45:04  <planetmaker> admin->users, right?
18:45:43  <Ammler> yes
18:45:50  <Ammler> but you need email there
18:46:57  <Ammler> maybe there is a email on his readme?
18:48:17  <planetmaker> hm... let me see :)
18:48:53  <Ammler> in the meantime a email
18:49:01  <Ammler> in the meantime a pm*
18:49:32  <planetmaker> I could add a dummy e-mail address
18:54:56  <planetmaker> I add a dummy e-mail for now.
19:00:54  <Ammler> well, dummy like
19:01:08  <Ammler> oh well
19:01:13  <Ammler> you are admin :-)
19:01:36  <planetmaker> hm?
19:01:49  <Ammler> you can "recover" the account everytime
19:02:01  <planetmaker> what do you mean? Like I shouldn't use a catch all of someone else?
19:02:11  <planetmaker> yes, I shouldn't. But only I have e-mail accounts there :)
19:02:17  <Ammler> he?
19:02:20  <planetmaker> it's part of my catch all.
19:02:26  <planetmaker> at
19:02:41  <Ammler> I do the same with
19:02:55  <planetmaker> :)
19:03:32  <Ammler> he, I also changed root of the server now
19:03:49  <Ammler> not my family domain anymore.
19:04:19  <Ammler> the whole server is now.
19:13:39  <planetmaker> hm?

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