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01:56:34 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 07:02:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #73 (Closed): Adjust version info (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/73#change-150 07:05:46 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:05:46 *** Webster sets mode: +o planetmaker 07:58:36 *** planetmaker changes topic to "Talk about everything related to development going on on dev.openttdcoop.org" 08:38:15 <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12173: Merge from trunk (Hirundo) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12173 09:20:15 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 131: Add a script which replaces \{\{LID\}\} and \{\{HLID\}\} by the language ID... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/131 09:21:25 <planetmaker> ^^ Ammler, the announce script cannot properly handle { and } ;) 09:41:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 132: Feature: Allow 2cc offline.bat to work in an international environm... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/132 09:47:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 133: Fix: 2cc offline.bat wouldn't rename the resulting grf to 2cc_train... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/133 10:03:19 <Ammler> your script will be very soon obsolete ;-) 10:05:43 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 10:06:20 <planetmaker> hehe :) 10:06:29 <planetmaker> How so, though? With sed you mean? 10:06:45 <Ammler> you need that script once? 10:06:53 <planetmaker> I'm currently fixing the 2cc offline.bat... 10:07:03 <planetmaker> hm? You mean the LID replacement script? 10:07:09 <planetmaker> or which? 10:07:13 <Ammler> yes 10:07:31 <planetmaker> well. Obviously not yet. But I'd like to have something with that functionality. 10:07:54 <Ammler> you don't need that anymore, if you use sed for translation 10:07:56 <planetmaker> means, of course, to replace all language IDs in the language files... and rename them to *.lang 10:08:06 <planetmaker> well. the script uses sed? 10:08:18 <Ammler> no 10:08:29 <Ammler> the language files are sed scripts ;-) 10:08:38 <Ammler> s/Train/Zug/ 10:08:53 <Ammler> s/Waggon/Wagen/ 10:09:11 <Ammler> oder Anhänger :P 10:09:18 <Ammler> etc.... 10:09:51 <Ammler> so you have one sed script per language 10:10:01 <planetmaker> that doesn't work properly 10:10:16 <planetmaker> well... it might in 90% of the strings. But not all 10:10:25 <Ammler> den you sed -f german.sed 7f_english.nfo > 02_german.nfo 10:11:03 <planetmaker> hmm.... not sure that that's the way to go... doesn't make translation easier, I think? 10:11:19 <planetmaker> But I guess I need to see a working example :) As I in principle like the idea 10:12:04 <Ammler> the nfo is too complicated for the translatior 10:12:19 <Ammler> he needs to care about IDs, about spaces etc. 10:12:20 <planetmaker> That only works with things like "Loading Speed", "Passengers", e.g. the generic strings 10:12:48 <Ammler> why? 10:13:48 <planetmaker> well. Names like "Class 58" or "railbus 153-S" or "world record train"... you cannot replace it word by word but the whole string 10:13:57 <planetmaker> ... though... it's not an argument against ;) 10:14:10 <planetmaker> I shut up and let you work on it :) 10:14:12 <Ammler> sed/Tourist Class Coach 1st gen/Touristenklasse Wagen (1. Gen)/ 10:14:22 <planetmaker> hm... yes 10:14:31 <planetmaker> definitely yes. 10:14:35 <planetmaker> ok. :) 10:14:46 <planetmaker> please go ahead :) 10:15:02 <Ammler> maybe using another sed delimeter 10:15:06 <planetmaker> sounds indeed way easier: having a list of strings and just going for it. 10:15:23 <Ammler> "/" could be part of a string? 10:15:29 <planetmaker> hm... yes 10:15:33 <planetmaker> it is. quite often 10:15:46 <planetmaker> 75% of the generic strings have it 10:17:27 <planetmaker> I'm pushing tee.bat :) 10:17:59 <planetmaker> I hope DJN won't kill me once I've re-written 50% of his bat file :P 10:18:47 <planetmaker> REM maybe get all of http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ <-- that might be worth to install on windows 10:20:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 134: Feature: tee.bat introduces tee for windows. Doesn't work from scri... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/134 10:30:57 <Ammler> well, if we use too many such "tools", we should really consider to go for precompiler 10:31:55 <Ammler> check the dutch station set for example 10:33:04 <Ammler> and adding the path of sed.exe to the env var path would make more sense to me. 10:36:16 <DJNekkid> good morning norway! 10:36:34 <Ammler> guete morgä schwiiz 10:36:59 <DJNekkid> iceland, 12 points! 10:37:14 <Ammler> eurovision? 10:37:27 <DJNekkid> most likely 10:37:28 <DJNekkid> anyway 10:37:30 <DJNekkid> whats up? 10:37:41 <DJNekkid> isnt it nice to sleep in from time to time? :) 10:37:42 <Ammler> we are laready out :-) 10:42:34 <Ammler> @topic change 1 s/dev./http://dev./ 10:42:56 <Ammler> @topic change 1 s|dev.|http://dev.| 10:42:56 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about everything related to http://dev.lopment going on on dev.openttdcoop.org" 10:43:08 *** DJNekkid sets mode: +o Ammler 10:43:22 <Ammler> mäh 10:43:30 <Ammler> regex ;-) 10:43:36 <Ammler> never op someone else 10:43:38 <Ammler> :-) 10:43:49 <Ammler> except you trust him 10:44:01 <Ammler> @undo 10:44:01 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org" 10:44:21 <Ammler> now, I am confused 10:45:38 <DJNekkid> i.e. i dont trust u? 10:47:12 <Ammler> hehe 10:48:04 <Ammler> the dutch trainset source looks like decompiled? 10:48:21 <DJNekkid> what do u mean? 10:48:37 <Ammler> grfcodec -d ... 10:48:58 <DJNekkid> aha 10:49:05 <Ammler> but you have permission to do so? 10:49:06 <DJNekkid> _some_ stuff are 10:49:08 <DJNekkid> yes i do 10:51:26 <Ammler> did you ask for the source or don't you need it? 10:51:58 <DJNekkid> there is no source, as its made with grfmaker 10:53:00 <Ammler> oh, ok. 10:54:01 <DJNekkid> but the only thing im basicly useing is the sprites 10:54:10 <DJNekkid> other code is "mine" 11:00:05 <DJNekkid> but, did we get any closer to a 2cc 1.0 ? 11:00:33 <Ammler> dunno, I just arrived too :-) 11:01:14 <DJNekkid> but, what about a title that (more or less) matches tt-forums' title? 11:01:30 <Ammler> dunno, how those things help to solve the issue, pm commited this morning :-) 11:01:43 <planetmaker> hm? 11:02:02 <planetmaker> I only played with windows bat file(s) 11:02:17 <planetmaker> and one script which has no relation to the language files so far 11:02:34 <planetmaker> but I heard that ammler has there some better procedure in store for that :) 11:02:37 <DJNekkid> it seems to work :) 11:02:59 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I'll upload a modified bat file to the site. Can you test that right now when uploaded? 11:03:16 <Ammler> he did :P 11:03:18 <DJNekkid> *pulled :) 11:03:48 <Ammler> The 2cc Train Set will drop the grf in sorting ;-) 11:04:01 <DJNekkid> skip "the" 11:04:07 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: not pull :) 11:04:08 <DJNekkid> but the trains of the world in 2cc etc 11:04:22 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/files <-- that one :) 11:04:26 <Ammler> yes, to the description? 11:04:42 <planetmaker> I only want to commit it, if it also works for you :) 11:05:08 <planetmaker> don't mind that there's one pause too much :P 11:05:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_offline.bat (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/64/2cc_offline.bat 11:05:45 <DJNekkid> it seems to work for me :) 11:05:47 <planetmaker> it works for me. 11:05:52 <planetmaker> ok. Then I'll commit it. 11:06:03 <planetmaker> one question though: do all those warnings really need suppression? 11:06:15 <planetmaker> the only severe one which annoys me is 141... 11:06:24 <Ammler> pm that is a old renum, afaik 11:06:28 <DJNekkid> whats 141 again? 11:06:33 <planetmaker> high ID 11:06:36 <DJNekkid> yea 11:06:48 <DJNekkid> that one cannot be supressed by my old version of renum 11:06:54 <planetmaker> e.g. for linux I have only that one active and all others shown 11:07:10 <planetmaker> this one... suppresses many. But well. doesn't matter too much 11:08:08 <planetmaker> ok, then you can revert and pull again, DJNekkid 11:08:25 <planetmaker> e.g. hg revert -a && hg pull -u 11:09:20 <planetmaker> he... I like it that I now can run everything on my laptop, too :) 11:09:38 <planetmaker> I manage the hg repo using macos and use the window batch file for processing ;) 11:09:57 <planetmaker> no need for lengthy ssh anymore. 11:10:05 <planetmaker> Now we just need a newer renum. 11:11:13 <Ammler> oh :-) 11:11:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 135: Change: make 2cc offline.bat way more modular (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/135 11:11:26 <Ammler> and do we have identical grfs now? 11:11:39 <planetmaker> no idea. I guess we still don't. 11:11:58 <planetmaker> Basically I made sure that I can make *a* grf on this machine now, too 11:12:07 <Ammler> maybe ask at #openttd for a newer win vesion? 11:14:01 <planetmaker> yes, that's what I thought of. And will do 11:14:05 <DJNekkid> i added mine, rev 135, under vet 1.1 11:14:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/65/2cc_trainset.grf 11:14:46 <Ammler> 1.1? 11:15:00 <DJNekkid> to sort it from the 1000's of others :) 11:15:18 <Ammler> and we should "clean" the repo ;-) 11:15:29 <Ammler> I mean the download area 11:15:33 <DJNekkid> yes 11:15:40 <DJNekkid> henve why i added under the 1.1 tag 11:15:43 <DJNekkid> you guys do the same 11:15:50 <planetmaker> hehe. I uploaded a screenshot how it looks when I work on this set :) 11:15:59 <planetmaker> really nice this seamless integration. 11:16:05 <planetmaker> Uploaded my r135 11:16:12 <Ammler> but keep renum and grfcodec 11:16:14 <planetmaker> well... uploading 11:16:20 <planetmaker> yes 11:16:44 <DJNekkid> SAME!!!!!! 11:17:14 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes. mine is made with the same script as yours 11:17:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - pm_2cc_working.png (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/66/pm_2cc_working.png 11:17:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.grf (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/67/2cc_trainset.grf 11:17:18 <planetmaker> not with linux :) 11:17:26 <planetmaker> e.g. also on windows 11:17:46 <planetmaker> now it'll be interesting if Ammler also gets the same. 11:19:15 <Ammler> f7fd6442f03121bb5662ca368f631ac2 2cc_trainset.grf 11:19:33 <Ammler> he doesn't 11:19:37 <Ammler> upload the nfo? 11:19:52 <DJNekkid> guys, i have an idea 11:19:59 <DJNekkid> make three sections ... 11:20:03 <DJNekkid> DJ - ammler - pm 11:20:39 <planetmaker> It only needs two: linux and windows 11:20:52 <planetmaker> I get the same as Ammler on linux and the same as you on windows 11:21:10 <planetmaker> so it's an intrinsic problem that things get differently processed 11:21:32 <Ammler> but wasn't the last time, we tested 11:21:55 <Ammler> could I have a nfo from you to "kompare" 11:22:05 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: please always add to the description that the file is from you (or from windows) 11:22:33 <DJNekkid> i used to, but it dont show up anywhere 11:22:46 <planetmaker> mouse over effect 11:22:57 <DJNekkid> oh... 11:23:09 <planetmaker> would be better if it shows directly, though, yes 11:23:11 <DJNekkid> i still lack the 20kb or so 11:23:15 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/68/2cc_trainset.nfo 11:23:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo.bak (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/69/2cc_trainset.nfo.bak 11:23:27 <Ammler> bak? 11:23:35 <planetmaker> oh:P 11:23:40 <DJNekkid> thats the unrenumed version 11:23:52 <Ammler> I need renumed version 11:24:02 <planetmaker> there's one from me, Ammler 11:24:03 <Ammler> or don't I? 11:24:08 <planetmaker> A renum-ed version 11:24:25 <planetmaker> in the un-named section 11:24:27 <DJNekkid> well, unrenumed is more interesteing 11:24:34 <planetmaker> no, it isn't 11:24:36 <DJNekkid> as the renumed one will show its warnings and stuff 11:24:46 <planetmaker> hm... also true 11:25:33 <Ammler> nfo are fine 11:25:42 <Ammler> so it is just, dunno :-) 11:25:47 <Ammler> version differences, maybe 11:26:17 <Ammler> the only diff on the nfo is the warning about 42 11:26:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/70/2cc_trainset.nfo 11:26:41 <Ammler> and an additional line at the header of mine. 11:27:16 <DJNekkid> did you update your grfcodec or something? 11:27:42 <Ammler> I use the newest avaialbe self compiled version, yes :-) 11:28:01 <Ammler> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2103 11:28:12 <DJNekkid> i use 2101 11:28:21 <Ammler> hmm 11:28:24 <DJNekkid> as thats the lastet available on forums 11:28:30 <Ammler> let me check the changelog 11:29:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2cc_trainset.nfo (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/71/2cc_trainset.nfo 11:29:38 <Ammler> 2103. Fix a missing #include on some systems and some signedness warnings. 11:29:55 <Ammler> WAS 02 11:30:04 <Ammler> now 2103: Refactor reading of \<bwd> escapes to make planned expansion easier. 11:33:18 <Ammler> I have still the same md5sum, also with that grfcodec 11:33:29 <Ammler> might be renum 11:33:34 <Ammler> what version do you use there? 11:33:42 <planetmaker> 3.4.6 11:33:53 <Ammler> what rev? 11:33:59 <planetmaker> dunno 11:34:02 <planetmaker> doesn't tell 11:34:17 <Ammler> anyway 11:34:35 <planetmaker> that's funny. windows already warns about low battery, mac doesn't yet :) 11:35:03 <planetmaker> "change battery immediately or switch to external power" oh well. I still have 15 minutes :) 11:38:13 <Ammler> cd152e7b8a0e48312b71762b0278e3ad 2cc_trainset.win.grf 11:38:23 <DJNekkid> thats what i have in windows 11:38:27 <Ammler> now, I used "your" nfo with my codec 11:38:54 <planetmaker> oh? so, same? Hm... does maybe the bat file not copy one nfo file? 11:38:58 <Ammler> so the warnings have influence to the grf? 11:39:09 <DJNekkid> well "my" nfo is made from "your" scripts :) 11:39:32 <Ammler> [13:26] <Ammler> the only diff on the nfo is the warning about 42 11:39:33 <Ammler> [13:26] <Ammler> and an additional line at the header of mine. 11:40:02 <planetmaker> what's the max sprite count in both nfo? 11:41:43 <planetmaker> Ammler: check sed.sh :P 11:41:51 <planetmaker> wrong nfo name there :P 11:42:08 <Ammler> pm it is the same everywhere else 11:42:30 <Ammler> omg 11:42:33 <Ammler> :-$ 11:43:27 <planetmaker> that solves it. I'll commit 11:44:12 <Ammler> you did that nice var things only for the batch? 11:45:05 <Ammler> cd152e7b8a0e48312b71762b0278e3ad 2cc_trainset.grf 11:45:10 <planetmaker> well. I was playing this morning only with the bat. But the name in sed.sh was wrong since the release commit I made 11:45:19 <planetmaker> so it lingered there since then 11:46:02 <Ammler> do I see it right, I am the onlyone using the sh script now? 11:46:22 <planetmaker> no. I'll use both :) 11:47:01 <planetmaker> but might be that I'll more often use the windows one. Doesn't mean that I don't want a working bash solution. I still hope for a native mac renum... 11:47:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 136: Fix: wrong nfo name in scripts/sed.sh (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/136 11:48:03 <planetmaker> and that said: DJNekkid maybe we should install that stuff: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ 11:48:13 <planetmaker> it'd allow us to script many things. Very similar to linux 11:49:11 <planetmaker> well. I'm happy actually that the windows vs. linux difference is actually no difference :) 11:49:27 <Ammler> planetmaker: you can include external batch, only, if they are in the same dir? 11:49:47 <planetmaker> dunno. Probably it's also possible otherwise. But I havene't figured out how. 11:49:52 <DJNekkid> instlaling :) 11:50:03 <DJNekkid> or something :) 11:50:10 <planetmaker> you mean, pulling? :) 11:50:22 <Ammler> so GUYS 11:50:29 <Ammler> RELEASE TIME! 11:50:33 <planetmaker> Ammler: maybe we should unify bash / bat as much as possible :) 11:50:57 <planetmaker> and more important: have a common variable file for them 11:50:58 <Ammler> then I rewrite the whole language sed stuff :-) 11:51:14 <planetmaker> yes, release time :) 11:51:28 <Ammler> oh 11:51:30 <Ammler> wait 11:51:34 <planetmaker> no? :S 11:51:36 <Ammler> how are the langues now? 11:51:55 <Ammler> is portugeues fine? 11:52:03 <Ammler> then I copy it to brazilian 11:52:32 <planetmaker> should be yes. 11:53:41 <DJNekkid> installed ... 11:53:44 <DJNekkid> sh.exe is there 11:53:54 <planetmaker> he. minimum version has to be r16374 @ DJNekkid 11:54:05 <DJNekkid> really? 11:54:10 <planetmaker> or the Portugues language will have errors. 11:54:14 <planetmaker> UTF-8 stuff 11:54:17 <DJNekkid> 0.7.x dont work? 11:54:35 <planetmaker> 0.7.1 will work then, I guess. but it will have a higher rXXX also :) 11:54:48 <planetmaker> or we don't care about a wrong character and keep it as is. 11:54:55 <DJNekkid> whwn is that due? 11:55:06 <planetmaker> soon, I guess. it's already an RC2 out 11:55:09 <DJNekkid> oki... 11:55:10 <DJNekkid> :) 11:55:16 <DJNekkid> then it's fine 11:55:26 <DJNekkid> did you chjange it to 16374? 11:55:37 <planetmaker> how? Only you have access to bananas :) 11:55:51 <planetmaker> oh... the source? No. 11:56:08 <planetmaker> Well... It's not critical. Except you use portuguese 11:56:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 137: new copy of Brazilian Portuguese from Portuguese (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/137 11:56:18 <planetmaker> then you'll wonder 11:56:29 <planetmaker> check out yourself how it looks :) 11:56:47 <Ammler> DJNekkid: don't forget to add the description 11:57:00 <planetmaker> and make it a custom license :) 11:57:03 <Ammler> you spoke about this morning 11:57:18 <Ammler> I meant to the grf itself 11:57:20 <planetmaker> e.g. quote the readme.txt as license file 11:57:47 <planetmaker> and include the gpl.txt, too 11:58:54 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1431924 11:59:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 138: changed requierd version to 16374 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/138 11:59:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 139: changed requierd version to 16374 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/139 12:00:00 <Ammler> which files except the grf are in the pack? 12:00:41 <planetmaker> readme.txt gpl.txt I think 12:00:46 <Ammler> I wouldn't include the gpl.txt to the pack, else someone could thing, everything is gpl 12:00:56 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ? 12:01:09 <DJNekkid> 2cc...grf 12:01:10 <planetmaker> Ammler: the readme explicitly states the license... 12:01:15 <DJNekkid> gpl and readme.txt 12:01:17 <DJNekkid> readme.html 12:01:22 <planetmaker> ok. 12:01:27 <DJNekkid> and that one only redirect to the 2cc-webpage 12:01:46 <planetmaker> hm... ok 12:03:31 <Ammler> well, the grf isn't gpl, so why add it there? 12:03:42 <Ammler> (sadly :-) 12:04:50 <DJNekkid> so... 12:04:55 <planetmaker> well... it's half gpl. And gpl'ed code requires to be accompanied by gpl license :) 12:04:57 <DJNekkid> readme.* and *.grf ? :) 12:05:05 <planetmaker> only one grf, or? 12:05:13 <DJNekkid> only one :) 12:05:21 <planetmaker> 2cc_trainset.grf? 12:05:23 <DJNekkid> yes 12:05:28 <DJNekkid> i just didnt bother to write it out 12:05:38 <Ammler> the nfo is gpl, which you added a link to from the readme 12:05:57 <Ammler> we can also leave a final nfo in the download section here 12:06:03 <planetmaker> well, I *think* that gpl.txt should go with it. the readme specifies what it refers to. Does readme.html have the same license information as readme.txt? 12:06:45 <planetmaker> hm... it doesn't :S 12:07:10 <planetmaker> I actually would advocate to NOT include readme.txt. People will assume they're the same. But they aren't 12:07:33 <planetmaker> readme.txt also links to the website, so that's still given. 12:07:35 <Ammler> you meant the *.thml 12:07:52 <planetmaker> I mean to not include readme.html. Yes, ty 12:08:11 <Ammler> well, the html should be the same 12:08:45 <Ammler> means, we need to update the web with release anyway 12:08:48 <DJNekkid> the readme.html im including is only a redirect to the usres.tt-forums.net/2cc 12:09:01 <planetmaker> well. the readme.txt has several webpages in it concerning information 12:09:08 <Ammler> maybe call it something else? 12:09:19 <Ammler> like website.html or so? 12:09:20 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes... but the website still states different license terms 12:09:32 <planetmaker> what Ammler sais seems reasonable, I think 12:09:43 <Ammler> or home or manual or wahtever 12:09:56 <Ammler> planetmaker: that needs to be changed :P 12:10:10 <DJNekkid> manual it is :) 12:11:25 <Ammler> so dj nekkid is writing a imense huge forum post about 2cc release 12:11:39 <Ammler> planetmaker will write a even bigger blog article 12:11:44 <Ammler> what shall I do? 12:11:50 <planetmaker> manual sounds good 12:12:04 <planetmaker> I'll leave for the rest of the day :P 12:12:11 <planetmaker> I'm here already too long 12:12:12 <DJNekkid> so ... 12:12:24 <DJNekkid> i'll pull, update, compile, pack and upload? :) 12:12:39 <planetmaker> ok 12:12:50 <planetmaker> Ammler will update the tag to the current version :) 12:13:30 <planetmaker> I'll push a change to the readme.html nontheless 12:16:59 <Ammler> do you know, why rubidium left the #openttd ? 12:22:45 <planetmaker> I think he has some disagreements with petern 12:23:14 <planetmaker> like his language nazi behaviour and "no stupid people here" things 12:23:29 <planetmaker> upon one of those latter statements he left afaik 12:23:54 <planetmaker> :D 12:24:38 <Ammler> heh 12:25:13 <planetmaker> be aware, I push a new readme.html 12:25:51 <planetmaker> pushed 12:26:05 <Ammler> the push should be again faster 12:26:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 140: Change: make readme.html reflect the split license for this set (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/140 12:26:22 <planetmaker> maybe you have a look at the re-worked readme.html... 12:26:24 <Ammler> you don't need to wait until redmine catched everything 12:26:29 <planetmaker> hm, Ammler ? 12:26:45 <Ammler> didn't you complain about how slow push is? 12:26:55 <planetmaker> uhm... no? 12:26:58 <Ammler> :-) 12:27:10 <Ammler> so ignore what I said :-) 12:27:15 <planetmaker> well. I wondered why you made it a 2 minutes update frequency instead of update upon push 12:29:28 <Ammler> it is a push hook now 12:29:32 <planetmaker> bäh... 27°C here. 12:29:36 <planetmaker> too warm for me. 12:29:57 <Ammler> nice weather on the balcony 12:30:02 <planetmaker> yes, indeed :) 12:30:32 <planetmaker> I need to get some sun protection umbrella or so, though 12:31:15 <DJNekkid> "unknown file in pack - gpl.txt" ... from BaNaNaS 12:31:23 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: can you have a look at the readme.html as pushed? 12:31:25 <planetmaker> what? 12:31:37 <planetmaker> what does that mean? 12:32:19 <DJNekkid> uknown file in pack: manual.html 12:32:49 <planetmaker> uhm... yes. how do you upload it? as a tar? a zip? I just don't know 12:33:09 <planetmaker> and ask Rubidium about it :) 12:33:15 <planetmaker> in #openttd.noai :) 12:33:17 <DJNekkid> a zip 12:33:28 <DJNekkid> i just removed the two files, and it worked 12:33:35 <planetmaker> hm 12:33:40 <DJNekkid> they probably only accept *.grf and readme.* 12:34:35 <planetmaker> I'll ask Rubidium 12:34:45 <planetmaker> join the channel and see maybe yourself :) 12:35:07 <planetmaker> in the hope that he'll answer it :) 12:40:19 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: then we skip manual.html and rename (or copy?) readme.txt to license.txt ? 12:40:38 <DJNekkid> readme.txt were accepted :) 12:40:49 <Ammler> or use cc-nd license 12:40:50 <planetmaker> but not as custom license. As it states. 12:41:10 <planetmaker> I think we just copy it. 12:41:14 <Ammler> bananas doesn't relly matter, which license it shows 12:41:15 <DJNekkid> CC-BY-NC-SA v3.0 ? 12:41:22 <DJNekkid> or is that ND ? 12:41:23 <planetmaker> hm. I'd prefer custom 12:41:39 <planetmaker> as we still have the ND part for the images 12:41:46 <Ammler> DJNekkid: ND is the important part for purno 12:42:19 <planetmaker> I really would like it custom. 12:42:44 <Ammler> I really don't care about what banans shows, more important is the readme and it is up there :-) 12:42:55 <planetmaker> well. Why not do it properly? 12:43:07 <planetmaker> just copy readme.txt to license.txt and we're set 12:43:16 <Ammler> nah 12:43:19 <Ammler> that is crap 12:43:19 <planetmaker> yes :) 12:43:22 <planetmaker> why? 12:43:29 <Ammler> who reads it then? 12:43:38 <planetmaker> I said copy :) 12:43:39 <Ammler> who does expect help on a license file 12:43:46 <planetmaker> not rename :) 12:44:02 <Ammler> ah ok 12:44:26 <planetmaker> we could make a license file seperate. But I cannot be arsed right now :P 12:44:55 <Ammler> I wouldn't, bananas should be fixed somewhen anyway. 12:45:05 <Ammler> time* 12:45:21 <planetmaker> that's why just copy 12:45:25 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ? 12:45:47 <DJNekkid> im trying to upload it 12:45:54 <planetmaker> as license.txt? 12:46:12 <DJNekkid> yes 12:46:22 <planetmaker> maybe you have to skip the .txt 12:46:28 <planetmaker> if I read the website correctly 12:46:43 <planetmaker> hm. no 12:47:01 <planetmaker> without, .txt and .pdf are accepted 12:47:24 <DJNekkid> There is already a package with the exact same footprint 12:47:37 <DJNekkid> as i uploaded it to bananas already 12:48:10 <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you make the grf with tip? 12:48:51 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ask Rubidium to delete / modify it 12:49:16 <planetmaker> e.g. to change the license of the uploaded stuff to custom with the supplied readme 12:49:19 <planetmaker> as license 12:50:27 <Ammler> oh 1.0.0 :-( 12:50:34 <planetmaker> what? 12:50:43 <Ammler> well, you might like that 12:50:45 <planetmaker> shouldn't 12:51:03 <Ammler> just thought, we agreed on 1.0 12:51:37 <Ammler> what is the issue now? 12:51:45 <planetmaker> The scripts should also make a 1.0 and not 1.0.0 12:52:12 <Ammler> oh, so only on banans? 12:52:22 <Ammler> then it is ok :-) 12:52:26 <DJNekkid> only on bananas 12:52:56 <planetmaker> :) 12:53:34 <planetmaker> hm.... 12:53:40 <Ammler> you know, there is no 2cc in bananas anymore? 12:53:49 <DJNekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/182971 12:53:55 <planetmaker> ok, then we leave it as is. 12:54:41 <planetmaker> nice 12:54:47 <DJNekkid> looks ok? 12:54:50 <planetmaker> yes 12:54:51 <Ammler> DJNekkid: brazilian is just a copy 12:54:52 <DJNekkid> or should we add something? 12:55:08 <Ammler> wouldn't add that, could annoy a brazilian guy 12:55:53 <planetmaker> ok. Seems like we change the license with another version. Only TB seems to be able to modify the bananas DB. 12:55:57 <planetmaker> nvm then 12:56:36 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: could you upload the modified readme.html, though, to the website? 12:56:49 <planetmaker> Then at least we tell there, too what the true license is :) 12:56:51 <Ammler> rubi is able too, but he might not want to ;-) 12:57:00 <DJNekkid> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28051&p=790749#p790749 12:57:02 <planetmaker> he says he hasn't the PW. 12:57:07 <Ammler> he 12:57:08 <planetmaker> with him right now 12:57:16 <Ammler> I am kinda sure, he is root there 12:57:32 <DJNekkid> smells "im busy, leave me alone" :) 12:57:54 <DJNekkid> [14:51:41] <@Rubidium> not at the moment; don't have the password to change it here. Maybe TB can help you 12:57:56 <planetmaker> well. I guess, you might be right. 12:58:01 <DJNekkid> <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16398 /trunk/src/newgrf_spritegroup.h: -Feature: make NewGRF callbacks work again; honouring the 'features' of 0.3.2.1, which was released only 5 years ago. 12:58:17 <planetmaker> hahaha :) 12:58:18 <DJNekkid> [14:56:37] <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16398... 12:59:03 <planetmaker> ok. Nice, we have a release. Then I'm on holiday for the rest of the day :) 12:59:11 <planetmaker> CU guys, maybe this evening 12:59:17 <DJNekkid> lol 12:59:37 <planetmaker> :) 12:59:52 <DJNekkid> now, go play some ottd with the 2cc set :) 13:00:02 <DJNekkid> ill upload the new readme.html as well 13:00:31 <planetmaker> I will, I will. We should anyway start a new PS game :) 13:01:31 <planetmaker> but now I've to get some presents... :) 13:01:43 <planetmaker> *buy 14:06:53 <Ammler> guys, gratulation :-) 14:07:11 <Ammler> will you update the homepage, too? 14:07:14 <DJNekkid> ty :) 14:07:18 <DJNekkid> i did 14:25:11 <planetmaker> back. Congraz also to you Ammler :) 14:25:24 <planetmaker> it wouldn't be quite what it is w/o you :) 14:27:05 <Ammler> well, you excess 14:27:19 <Ammler> how that is called in english ;-) 14:27:52 <Ammler> planetmaker: I thought, you added the translators to credtis? 14:28:10 <planetmaker> exagerate. 14:28:24 <planetmaker> yes, I did...? 14:28:38 <planetmaker> in the readme.txt and on the home of the website 14:28:46 <planetmaker> or is it missing? 14:28:49 <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you set a min version for 2cc? 14:29:10 <DJNekkid> hyes 14:29:12 <Ammler> maybe I need to force requery 14:29:18 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I wouldn't 14:29:31 <Ammler> it isn't available on my stable openttd anymore 14:29:41 <Ammler> or you should then set a version for the old version too 14:31:06 <planetmaker> :D 14:31:14 <planetmaker> Ammler: it will soon work with 0.7.1 14:31:32 <planetmaker> and Portuguese looks funny for older ones 14:31:54 <planetmaker> At least I *think* that the utf-fix will be back-ported. I would wonder when not done. 14:32:01 <Ammler> yeah, but better then not available imo. 14:32:16 <Ammler> now, you can't download the 2cc with banans anymore 14:32:22 <planetmaker> well... it's not in the grf itself. Only on bananas. 14:32:29 <planetmaker> the old one? 14:32:33 <Ammler> none 14:32:34 <planetmaker> you can, can't you? 14:32:48 <Ammler> not with 0.7.0 14:32:59 <planetmaker> oh. that's interesting. I thought 0.7.0 would download the beta 2.02? 14:33:15 <planetmaker> well. If you have it, you don't download it. 14:33:29 <Ammler> DJNekkid: mind to share your banans account? 14:33:39 <Ammler> you can change the pw after I took a look 14:34:55 <planetmaker> or before ;) 14:35:37 <Ammler> before of course too, if you use it somewhere else. 14:49:34 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager/wiki/BaNaNaS 14:53:44 <DJNekkid> sorry, were afk, agin :=) 14:53:46 <DJNekkid> let me change the pb 14:53:47 <DJNekkid> pv 14:54:19 <DJNekkid> pw is mandag 14:54:23 <planetmaker> :P 14:54:33 <DJNekkid> and DJNekkid 14:54:38 <planetmaker> and login...? :) 14:54:42 <planetmaker> nvm 14:55:57 <DJNekkid> ^^ 14:56:39 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: why did you set a minimal version for beta 2.02 to infinity? 14:56:56 <DJNekkid> 13500 IIRC 14:57:05 <planetmaker> it was something like 1110049585 14:58:06 <DJNekkid> i mean, i have no idea 14:58:33 <planetmaker> :O something's odd there. The amount of dependencies is... stunning at least 14:58:36 <planetmaker> for the beta 14:59:09 <Ammler> "Note: The translation of Portuguese has some glitches in pre r17374 releases which also 0.7.0 belongs to." 14:59:37 <Ammler> and you should ask petern, if that fix will be backported 14:59:47 <planetmaker> usually all fixes are back-ported 14:59:53 <planetmaker> no need to quarrel :) 14:59:57 <Ammler> ok 15:00:06 <planetmaker> it's not a new feature after all. 15:00:10 <Ammler> but it isn't in the RC2? 15:00:53 <DJNekkid> it came you yesteryesterday 15:01:00 <Ammler> i would prefer such a text in the describtion instead of using the version limit 15:02:10 <planetmaker> well. RC2 hasn't it. 15:02:41 <Ammler> ok, does someone already update the bananas? 15:03:10 <DJNekkid> im trying to 15:03:17 <DJNekkid> but Ammler: can u fit that text into 31 chars? :) 15:03:21 <DJNekkid> it's all i have left 15:03:23 <Ammler> I wouldn't use nightly revs 15:03:35 <Ammler> just set max version to 0.7.0 15:03:49 <Ammler> for the alphas/betas 15:04:01 <DJNekkid> good iea 15:04:43 <Ammler> hmm, still no 2cc in my 0.7.0 15:05:08 <DJNekkid> try now 15:08:26 <DJNekkid> anyway, im afk again, gotta do some shopping etc... beer sales close in 52 mins 15:08:47 <planetmaker> :) 15:08:54 <planetmaker> important indeed :P 15:09:29 <planetmaker> hm... or we set the minimum version to the nightly we have on the server now :) 15:09:34 <Ammler> no beer for me :-( 15:09:44 <planetmaker> come and get some here :) 15:09:47 <planetmaker> you're invited 15:10:05 <Ammler> don't you own me some? 15:10:27 <planetmaker> Not yet :) DBXL 0.9 isn't on bananas :) 15:10:41 <planetmaker> but duke nukem forever isn't released either :D 15:11:13 <Ammler> DJNekkid: what do you think about posting the account infos on that manager page? 15:11:19 <Ammler> it is private. 15:11:40 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager/wiki/BaNaNaS 15:12:02 <planetmaker> hm... it's his private account he also uses for other sets, I think 15:12:40 <planetmaker> what's the magic bulldozer patch, Ammler? :O 15:13:09 <Ammler> enables controle over the cheat from console 15:13:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: only 2cc yet 15:13:55 <planetmaker> hm? 15:14:04 <planetmaker> ah nvm 15:14:06 <Ammler> but that is the idea behind it. 15:14:41 <Ammler> if he don't want something not accessable for us, he could make another account for it. 15:18:33 <planetmaker> hm, yes :) 15:18:46 <planetmaker> makes IMO sense to some degree. 15:18:59 <planetmaker> Bananas just needs rights management so that it allows multiple authors. 15:42:12 <Ammler> I liked to rename my account to openttdcoop 15:42:17 <Ammler> but that isn't possilbe 15:42:30 <Ammler> so I created a new Account and share my old for the grfs 15:45:03 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I changed your pw and added it the Manager wiki 15:45:08 <Ammler> as you posted it here 15:47:46 <planetmaker> ok. 15:59:23 <DJNekkid> back 15:59:53 <planetmaker> wb 16:00:03 <planetmaker> Ammler: concerning OpenGFX 16:00:16 <planetmaker> I still didn't write foobar. What shall I write him? 16:00:26 <planetmaker> use hg? use bazaar? use whatever you like? 16:00:40 <planetmaker> I'd like to write him "join IRC" :P 16:00:43 <Ammler> that we are happy to host it in any way, but prefer hg ;-) 16:00:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: ype, that might be the easiest 16:01:17 <DJNekkid> why do you need him btw? 16:01:58 <Ammler> DJNekkid: he is the manager of it like you from 2cc 16:02:13 <DJNekkid> ahh ... 16:02:16 <DJNekkid> like that :) 16:02:22 <Ammler> :-) 16:02:36 <Ammler> the one with the last word ;-) 16:03:48 <DJNekkid> hehe 16:04:49 <Ammler> why isn't the GRFID of 2cc not something like 02 CC 00 02 ;-) 16:05:55 <DJNekkid> yes :) 16:10:04 <DJNekkid> btw, i'd like to add a couple of lines to the dutch tramset as well :) 16:10:38 <Ammler> you guys have no imagination :P 16:10:51 <DJNekkid> ...??? 16:11:23 <Ammler> DJNekkid: any reason why ou link to the forum instead of the website? 16:11:30 <Ammler> (from bananas?) 16:11:39 <DJNekkid> *whistle* 16:12:57 <planetmaker> *trumpet* :P 16:13:32 <DJNekkid> seems like someone fixed it :) 16:14:49 <Ammler> did you realize my pw change, didn't know if you come back... 16:15:11 <DJNekkid> yes, i saw that 16:15:38 <Ammler> ok, just if you feel, you need to make it private again... remove it there :-) 16:15:47 <DJNekkid> i dont mind :=) 16:17:46 <planetmaker> :) 16:17:50 * planetmaker hugs DJNekkid 16:18:04 <planetmaker> you're a right community-minded guy :) I like that 16:19:20 <DJNekkid> i dont earn any money from this anyway, so why not? 16:19:38 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes. same here. 16:19:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you add ttrs to bananas? 16:19:45 <Ammler> or was it thgergo? 16:19:54 <Ammler> tbrs 16:20:09 <planetmaker> well, I wouldn't go for public logins, but I'd change rather bananas to accept multiple logins per grf. But yeah 16:20:13 <planetmaker> Ammler: thgergo 16:20:31 <planetmaker> I won't openly violate terms of usage. Not that obviously at least :) 16:20:55 <Ammler> yeah, all grfs should be public for everyone per default 16:21:20 <Ammler> and only for those, who don't trust the humans, can claim exclusively 16:21:20 <planetmaker> well... might be useful, yes 16:21:34 <planetmaker> but then anyone can make them closed :) 16:21:43 <Ammler> (for everyone with login) 16:22:06 <Ammler> check CIA.vc 16:22:17 <Ammler> I can edit there almost every project 16:22:24 <Ammler> I already did for OpenTTD 16:22:53 <Ammler> you need of course a history 16:23:10 <planetmaker> of course. But that doesn't hurt 16:23:42 <Ammler> I feel so sorry, TB and Rubi have so bad feeling about the community. That makes me whineing 16:24:11 <Ammler> well, it mostly TB, but anyway. 16:25:31 <Ammler> wikipedia should show them the other way, sadly they missed that. 16:26:02 <DJNekkid> (off topic: my god i hate klaas remixes) 16:26:14 <Ammler> klaas? 16:26:38 <Ammler> I was a bit OT, either ;-) 16:26:40 <DJNekkid> a dude who remixes commercial house music 16:27:05 <Ammler> don't listen that kind of music. 16:30:55 <planetmaker> hehe. FooBar won't do the 2cc set's Dutch translation :P - now that it is already done ;) 16:35:44 <Ammler> DJNekkid: do you have stats for the homepage? 16:35:52 <Ammler> to see the downlods number? 16:35:55 <DJNekkid> yes 16:36:09 <DJNekkid> some google thingy 16:36:13 <DJNekkid> heavent used it in ages 16:36:14 <Ammler> just wondering, if there will be still some, who downloads from there 16:36:24 <DJNekkid> yes :) 16:36:50 <DJNekkid> check the htmls and see the ID or something... i dont remember how i used to do it tbh 16:36:58 <Ammler> oh, btw. do we need to make a branch for 1.0? 16:37:09 <Ammler> for version 1.0.1 :-) 16:37:35 <Ammler> :-) 16:37:50 <DJNekkid> nah? 16:38:01 <Ammler> hehe 16:38:08 <DJNekkid> _if_ there are any bugs we just fix them on the fly, and make a 1.0.1 1.0.2 etc 16:38:15 <Ammler> do you fear branching? 16:38:27 <DJNekkid> right now i do :) 16:39:00 <Ammler> DJNekkid: but then, that versions will also have main changes like translation system 16:39:20 <DJNekkid> oki 16:39:34 <DJNekkid> i dont mind neither i guess, just tell me what to do :p 16:39:35 <Ammler> but seriously, I never did a branch myself with hg, either. 16:40:28 <Ammler> hg branch 16:40:41 <Ammler> that all 16:40:49 <Ammler> branch default is like svn trunk 16:42:45 <planetmaker> hehe. Neither did I :) 16:42:55 <planetmaker> So, yes, I fear it somewhat, too :) 16:43:02 <Ammler> might be the right moment to learn something new :-P 16:43:07 <planetmaker> :) indeed. 16:43:25 <Ammler> I check the hg book about branching 16:43:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: what about this: we make a backup on the server (e.g. just copy the dir) and then we go ahead. If it really breaks... we just copy it bakc 16:43:54 <planetmaker> *back 16:44:19 <Ammler> I guess, that is also mentioned as branch in the book :-) 16:44:42 <planetmaker> :D : "the number of spritegroups got halved when the new pool was added, which mean there weren't enough spritegroups when you have more than about a dozen ECS vectors." 16:44:49 <planetmaker> yeah, right 16:51:35 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: did you install / copy the windows tools I linked earlier? 16:52:00 <DJNekkid> im not sure, witch ones? 16:52:09 <DJNekkid> that gnu4windows thingy? 16:52:10 <DJNekkid> ish 16:52:30 <DJNekkid> in that case no, the server(s) had some error(s) so that the DL didnt work 16:53:06 <planetmaker> he. I just noticed :P 16:53:21 <planetmaker> I'll search for something easy then which does kinda the same, if you don't mind 16:53:36 <planetmaker> such tools would really make our grf-making life easier :) 16:53:55 <DJNekkid> Ammler spoke about some kind of precompiler one day ... 16:53:58 <planetmaker> I don't want a big overhead, just some small, nice tools :) 16:54:09 <DJNekkid> where we could add (for example) $icm instead of it's vehicle Id 16:54:18 <DJNekkid> and then we could do the same with the langages 16:54:24 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: well, yes, if we install cygwin or bottd, we'd have it. 16:54:39 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes, I had the idea of the vehicle ideas, too :) I like it :) 16:54:46 <Ammler> no cygwin 16:54:54 <planetmaker> minigw. sorry 16:54:54 <Ammler> mingw should do the job 16:55:09 <DJNekkid> -pax instead of "le pax" (for french) 16:55:16 <DJNekkid> and then "le pax" is only defined once 16:55:24 <Ammler> and it is very easy to install with the wiki 16:55:24 <planetmaker> I even though about replacing properties with that - or at least allowing it ;) 16:55:34 <planetmaker> yes 16:55:38 <Ammler> or if you don't want to use it, bottd does it for you, too. 16:55:42 <planetmaker> mingw... 16:56:04 <Ammler> bottd is a nice mingw installer 16:56:24 <planetmaker> hm... I guess mingw *is* what we want :) 16:56:26 <Ammler> and you have also everything which is needed for openttd itself too. 16:56:43 <DJNekkid> hmm 16:56:49 <Ammler> but I have no idea about hg support 16:57:03 <DJNekkid> im wondering if the "space" char in opengfx is wrongly positioned in a pcx file 16:57:09 <DJNekkid> i get a white line at the top of it 16:57:25 <planetmaker> hm... might be. 16:57:28 <planetmaker> report it :) 16:57:55 <Ammler> there is already an update for the font in the thread 16:58:20 <planetmaker> he. that's cool. If it works, I can create binaries for linux, win and mac :) 16:59:18 <DJNekkid> well, the newspaper font atleast 17:02:02 * planetmaker installs mingw 17:04:49 <planetmaker> he... install seems easy. Download installer and then click it, select additionally g++ and make and hit "install" 17:05:05 <planetmaker> will install like 70MB. 17:05:14 <DJNekkid> i've done that before :) 17:05:37 <planetmaker> and? 17:05:57 <planetmaker> you don't have them then anymore? Me wonders... 17:14:44 <DJNekkid> changed jobs, thus computers, twice since then :) 17:25:07 <Ammler> DJNekkid: could you add my google account to the analytics page, so I can check it too? 17:25:10 <Ammler> google@ammler.ch 17:27:19 <planetmaker> ah, ok @ DJNekkid :) 17:27:23 <DJNekkid> ok 17:27:25 <planetmaker> I just installed it. works 17:28:13 <DJNekkid> ADDED 17:28:15 <DJNekkid> sry 17:28:39 <planetmaker> :) 17:28:55 <planetmaker> now install mingw, too :) And I can go and edit the make script(s) :P 17:29:17 <planetmaker> http://www.mingw.org/wiki/HOWTO_Install_the_MinGW_GCC_Compiler_Suite#toc7 17:29:53 <planetmaker> make sure you change the default selection, I think. Include gcc and make 17:29:57 <Ammler> DJNekkid: but that is empty, isn't? 17:30:06 <DJNekkid> what is empty? 17:31:30 <DJNekkid> https://www.google.com/analytics/reporting/?reset=1&id=7126147&pdr=20090422-20090522 17:31:39 <Ammler> the statistic on analytics page 17:31:47 <DJNekkid> ^^ 17:31:48 <Ammler> no visits 17:31:58 <DJNekkid> i have 1095 visits 17:33:01 <Ammler> maybe you need to share the profile too? 17:34:02 <DJNekkid> ahh, sorry, try now 17:34:17 <DJNekkid> i needed to add the page for you to see 17:47:33 <Ammler> thanks 17:47:38 <DJNekkid> works now? 17:48:41 <Ammler> yes, interesting 17:49:49 <Ammler> hehe 17:49:50 <Ammler> openttdcoop.org (referral) 17:49:52 <Ammler> 128 11.69% 17:50:05 <DJNekkid> hehe 17:51:10 <Ammler> https://www.google.com/analytics/reporting/content_detail?id=7126147&pdr=20090422-20090522&cmp=average&lp=%2Fanalytics%2Freporting%2Ftop_content&d1=%2F2cc%2Fdl2cc.html&tab=0&view=0&tchcol=0#lts=1243101057735 <-- is that the file? 17:54:56 <DJNekkid> what file? 17:55:04 <DJNekkid> that is the number of downloads yes 17:55:45 <DJNekkid> btw, i've "fixed" the dutch tramset :) 17:56:10 <DJNekkid> now the p-list shows the correct capacity on the articulated vehicles :) 17:58:53 <Ammler> the tramset is from foobar, afaik 17:59:10 <DJNekkid> it is 17:59:17 <DJNekkid> and i did get the nfo and pcx from him 18:00:13 <DJNekkid> http://redmine.ammler.ch/projects/2cctrainset/files/dutramset.grf 18:01:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - dutramset.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/72/dutramset.grf 18:01:25 <Ammler> hehe 18:01:32 <planetmaker> ha. Msys also installed 18:01:34 <DJNekkid> sneak peak :) 18:01:37 <Ammler> you are kinda active dutch patcher ;-) 18:01:58 <DJNekkid> well ... the dutch tramset is probably the nicest out there 18:02:04 <DJNekkid> and tbh, i love dutch trains :) 18:02:21 <DJNekkid> and, beeing a DJ i love dutch music 18:02:32 <DJNekkid> and i love to be in the country as well... 18:02:42 <DJNekkid> cheap beer, cheap girls, and good music 18:02:48 <DJNekkid> i mean, cheap beer and good music :p 18:02:56 <Ammler> hehe 18:02:57 <planetmaker> looool! 18:03:19 <planetmaker> you're absolutely right, DJ :) 18:06:14 <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/140/changes/website/index.html <-- needs to be uploaded 18:07:11 <DJNekkid> i.e. a pull and upload to users.tt...../2cc ? 18:07:28 <Ammler> well, you made the pull already, I assume 18:07:35 <Ammler> rev 140 18:07:48 <Ammler> credtis for the translators 18:08:07 <DJNekkid> i did :) 18:08:33 <DJNekkid> done 18:10:37 <planetmaker> Ammler: what is embedded module? 18:10:57 <Ammler> currently nothing :-( 18:11:09 <Ammler> it is meant to include hg managment 18:11:21 <Ammler> oh no 18:11:30 <Ammler> that is the other not working plugin ;-) 18:11:35 <DJNekkid> btw Ammler... 18:11:38 <planetmaker> ok, then I ltake it for opengfx. example and boards and time tracking? 18:11:42 <DJNekkid> is is hard to make such a HG databse? 18:11:45 <DJNekkid> *base 18:11:50 <Ammler> that one is for including html files to the project 18:12:13 <Ammler> planetmaker: no 18:12:26 <planetmaker> no = leave them? 18:12:38 <Ammler> switch everything off 18:12:46 <planetmaker> what? no modules installedß 18:12:50 <Ammler> expect tracker 18:12:54 <Ammler> and wiki maybe 18:12:58 <Ammler> well, what you need 18:13:06 <Ammler> everything is installed 18:13:17 <Ammler> but you can enable them, if needed 18:13:22 <planetmaker> well.... files, issues. ok 18:13:26 <planetmaker> what's repo? 18:13:35 <Ammler> for the repo 18:13:44 <planetmaker> which repo? 18:13:55 <Ammler> i.e. /home/ottdc/hg-repos/<project> for Mercurial 18:14:03 <planetmaker> well. I want to create a hg-repo for opengfx. So I'll need it. 18:14:04 <Ammler> the svn url for svn 18:14:17 <planetmaker> hg is fine for foobar 18:14:24 <Ammler> yes, but you should first create or clone the repo to ottdc 18:14:34 <Ammler> nice to hear 18:14:51 <Ammler> user is fine too? 18:15:02 <Ammler> or do we need to create a new user? 18:15:07 <planetmaker> our usual way. like we all of use use it with individual keys 18:15:21 <planetmaker> that's what I proposed and is IMO more secure on our part 18:15:29 <Ammler> you know how ot add keys? 18:15:50 <planetmaker> add them to .ssh/ssh...<whatever-it-was-called> 18:15:55 <planetmaker> or something else? 18:16:04 <Ammler> hehe 18:16:32 <Ammler> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys 18:16:36 <planetmaker> yes 18:16:51 <planetmaker> that I meant :) 18:16:54 <Ammler> and I usually add the key as nick.pub to that folder 18:17:11 <Ammler> then I cat nick.pub >> authorized_keys 18:17:35 <planetmaker> yes, that's what I did so far, too :) 18:17:48 <planetmaker> I think I added ODM and DJNekkid :) 18:17:55 <Ammler> we might need to add the sshsharing feature for hg sometime 18:18:01 <planetmaker> or maybe SmatZ or combuster. dunno 18:18:07 <planetmaker> what's that? 18:18:21 <Ammler> so the key owner can only use the key for hg 18:18:37 <planetmaker> ah. well 18:18:38 <Ammler> and don't have full ssh access 18:18:42 <planetmaker> yes 18:18:45 <planetmaker> makes sense 18:18:52 <planetmaker> much sense :) 18:19:07 <Ammler> :-) 18:19:47 <Ammler> I moved my email to google, so there is no private data on that server anymore :-) 18:20:13 <Ammler> the only non coop thing there is rtorrent 18:20:18 <planetmaker> :D 18:20:34 <planetmaker> you're quite generous :) 18:20:37 * planetmaker hugs Ammler 18:20:55 <planetmaker> damn... my cheese grew fur... :( 18:20:57 <Ammler> well, thanks to gmail ;-) 18:21:20 <Ammler> but I was too lazy to maintain the spamfiler 18:21:44 <planetmaker> hehe :) 18:21:46 <Ammler> and now I can offer a nice email service for the whole family 18:21:48 <Ammler> for free 18:21:53 <DJNekkid> well guys 18:22:00 <DJNekkid> anything you need me for before i go? 18:22:16 <Ammler> hehe 18:22:23 <Ammler> go for how long? 18:22:25 <DJNekkid> *shakes booty* 18:22:33 <DJNekkid> i'll be back around ... 0400 i guess :) 18:22:56 <planetmaker> :D Enjoy, DJNekkid :) 18:23:01 <Ammler> we make a ticket and asign it to you, if it will be important :P 18:23:07 <planetmaker> one? 18:23:16 <planetmaker> hundreds! 18:23:44 <Ammler> google ananylitcs is very nice 18:23:45 <DJNekkid> not anything i can do when drunksick i hope? 18:24:11 <Ammler> release 2cc 2.0 18:25:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: tell foobar to register ;-) 18:25:56 <planetmaker> Ammler: at our dev page? 18:25:57 <planetmaker> yes 18:26:01 <Ammler> yeah 18:26:09 <planetmaker> I will. Empty repo created 18:26:28 <planetmaker> Ha, we have the biggest OpenTTD development server now :) 18:26:37 <planetmaker> (except the main server of the devs :) 18:27:06 <Ammler> hmm 18:27:19 <planetmaker> hm? 18:27:21 <Ammler> we need somehow to document how to keep it 18:27:27 <planetmaker> yes. 18:27:33 <planetmaker> we should 18:27:33 <Ammler> after server crash or movements 18:27:39 <planetmaker> :-x 18:27:51 <Ammler> well, the server crash can't happen 18:27:55 <planetmaker> no? 18:28:05 <Ammler> then it crashes a lot more 18:28:10 <Ammler> don't think that is possible 18:28:33 <Ammler> they have for sure RAID and other redundancy, don't you think so 18:28:57 <planetmaker> hm... yes. but... who knows. 18:29:01 <Ammler> it is imo, much more secure then a root 18:29:04 <DJNekkid> when i get my hands out of my ass i can install a 2x1TB cloned raid on my old computer 18:29:08 <planetmaker> they'll have a backup which they can just mirror back 18:29:21 <planetmaker> :O 18:30:49 <Ammler> currently I backup the redmine data to our www 18:31:01 <planetmaker> that's good. 18:31:27 <Ammler> that is 3.2 MB :-) 18:31:38 <planetmaker> what's the news module? 18:31:45 <planetmaker> is it the announcement here? 18:31:51 <Ammler> yes 18:31:57 <planetmaker> I'll enable it, then 18:32:04 <Ammler> and news would appear on the frontpage 18:32:17 <Ammler> it is like a blog 18:32:26 <Ammler> you can comment them 18:32:31 <Ammler> I used it for a51 18:33:15 <planetmaker> :) 18:33:24 <planetmaker> the root to the hg repository is...? 18:33:31 <planetmaker> hg/opengfx ? 18:33:37 <planetmaker> hg-repos/opengfx? 18:36:46 <planetmaker> nvm 18:36:51 <Ammler> /home/ottdc/hg-repos/opengfx 18:38:17 <Ammler> planetmaker: we can enable to annouce the news also in #openttdcoop 18:39:09 <Ammler> but I thought, if something is worth to write news 18:39:14 <DJNekkid> k guys... we are off to a party now... 18:39:21 <Ammler> you could as good blog it 18:39:25 * DJNekkid DCC's two beers to each of you :) 18:39:26 <planetmaker> well... I'm not sure... sometimes yes, sometimes no :) 18:39:26 <Ammler> have fun, cu 18:39:33 <DJNekkid> tty 2morrow :) 18:39:33 <planetmaker> have fun, DJNekkid :) 18:39:48 <planetmaker> yes, a short blog should then be possible :P 18:39:59 <planetmaker> we need a blog writing script :P 18:40:01 <Ammler> a link to blog is on top :P 18:40:07 <planetmaker> where's ODM when he's needed? 18:40:15 <planetmaker> yes, I've seen it :) 18:40:24 <Ammler> what is ODM able to wirte? 18:40:28 <Ammler> can he php? 18:40:31 <Ammler> or ruby? 18:40:41 <Ammler> Osai could write ruby code btw. 18:40:46 <planetmaker> hm... can I create an account for FooBar and then mail him the login and pw? I think yes as he can change the pw, right? 18:40:54 <planetmaker> would allow me to make him manager right away 18:41:07 <planetmaker> Ammler: no, but ODM can blog post ;) 18:41:17 <planetmaker> my personal blogging slave :P 18:41:23 <Ammler> do oyu have email from him? 18:41:35 <planetmaker> from foobar? No. But forum pm 18:42:31 <planetmaker> btw, you have foobar's answer, too, via forum pm 18:42:38 <Ammler> I could add him with DB directly 18:42:44 <Ammler> but without email 18:42:58 <Ammler> like I added the other members 18:44:27 <planetmaker> yeah, that's what I thought 18:44:49 <planetmaker> well.... DB directly? Means? 18:45:04 <planetmaker> admin->users, right? 18:45:43 <Ammler> yes 18:45:50 <Ammler> but you need email there 18:46:57 <Ammler> maybe there is a email on his readme? 18:48:17 <planetmaker> hm... let me see :) 18:48:53 <Ammler> in the meantime a email 18:49:01 <Ammler> in the meantime a pm* 18:49:32 <planetmaker> I could add a dummy e-mail address 18:54:56 <planetmaker> I add a dummy e-mail for now. 19:00:54 <Ammler> well, dummy like foobar@planetmaker.de 19:01:08 <Ammler> oh well 19:01:13 <Ammler> you are admin :-) 19:01:36 <planetmaker> hm? 19:01:49 <Ammler> you can "recover" the account everytime 19:02:01 <planetmaker> what do you mean? Like I shouldn't use a catch all of someone else? 19:02:11 <planetmaker> yes, I shouldn't. But only I have e-mail accounts there :) 19:02:17 <Ammler> he? 19:02:20 <planetmaker> it's part of my catch all. 19:02:26 <planetmaker> at planetmaker.de 19:02:41 <Ammler> I do the same with ammler.ch 19:02:55 <planetmaker> :) 19:03:32 <Ammler> he, I also changed root of the server now 19:03:49 <Ammler> not my family domain anymore. 19:04:19 <Ammler> the whole server is ammler.ch now. 19:13:39 <planetmaker> hm?