Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 11th September 2009:
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01:11:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2707: (svn r2860) Translation update: pt-BR (#3839) @ (by winterheart)
01:33:35  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M)
01:33:35  <Brot6> I know things about TROY DONAHUE that can't even be PRINTED!!
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07:26:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Autopilot - Bug #571: AP+ PS->IRC bridge doesn't work with timestamp update @ (by Ammler)
07:26:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Autopilot - Bug #571: AP+ PS->IRC bridge doesn't work with timestamp update @ (by Ammler)
07:26:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by DJNekkid)
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15:21:08  <DJNekkid> hi guy(s)
15:25:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by lawton27)
15:25:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by lawton27)
15:31:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by DJNekkid)
15:33:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by lawton27)
15:38:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by DJNekkid)
15:38:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ (by lawton27)
15:38:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #566: Transrapid 08 - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:38:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #565: Transrapid 06 - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:38:40  <Ammler> :-o
15:39:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #564: Transrapid 05 and 07 - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:47:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #562: Transrapid 02 and 03 - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:52:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #495: Add license @ (by Ammler)
15:52:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #559: Bombardier Z35 and HSML - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:56:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #560: Pegasus - CODE @ (by lawton27)
15:56:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #558: Gemini Monorail - CODE @ (by lawton27)
16:00:22  <Ammler> DJNekkid: shall I help you on that set?
16:00:50  <Ammler> (just replacing some sprite sheets ;-)
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16:11:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #570: Transrapid 09 stat typo @ (by DJNekkid)
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16:15:58  <DJNekkid> hi guys :)
16:16:02  <DJNekkid> again :)
16:16:04  <Ammler> again :P
16:16:06  <Ammler> he
16:16:10  <DJNekkid> i were concidering ...
16:16:11  <Ammler> sali DJNekkid
16:16:22  <DJNekkid> should make an own 2cc v2.0 project?
16:16:30  <Ammler> ?
16:17:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #570: Transrapid 09 stat typo @ (by lawton27)
16:17:02  <Ammler> you like to code everything from scratch?
16:17:07  <DJNekkid> pretty much
16:17:14  <DJNekkid> but:
16:17:56  <DJNekkid> the templates can code _most_ MUs quite fast
16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267)
16:18:02  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:02  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r103)
16:18:03  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:03  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r12)
16:18:03  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200)
16:18:04  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:05  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r535)
16:18:11  <DJNekkid> can do probably a few ones per hour...
16:19:24  <Ammler> and how do you track it?
16:19:29  <DJNekkid> track ?
16:20:01  <Ammler> the progress, "what's left to code"
16:20:19  <DJNekkid> on a ... uhm ...
16:20:32  <DJNekkid> if the "file.pnfo" dont excist, its not coded :)
16:21:09  <Ammler> hmm, and where do you track "what" isn't coded :-P
16:21:34  <DJNekkid> i dunno? in my head? :P
16:21:35  <Ammler> I just mean, would you also like to make a new project
16:22:14  <Ammler> dunno, what is better
16:22:25  <Ammler> make it new or rewrite existing.
16:22:51  <DJNekkid> well, the current one is, imho, a mess
16:23:00  <DJNekkid> and a complete rewrite is easier
16:23:48  <Ammler> but you rewrite it just for better code
16:24:01  <Ammler> there are no new graphics...
16:24:16  <Ammler> dunno, if that is worth the effort.
16:24:20  <DJNekkid> there are _some_
16:24:32  <DJNekkid> but, a rewrite would fix all or nearly all aligment bugs
16:26:23  <DJNekkid> point is ...
16:26:30  <DJNekkid> i started the 2cc set to learn nfo
16:27:01  <DJNekkid> and my intention were always to learn stuff, and at some point rewrite it
16:30:07  <Ammler> DJNekkid: don't get me wrong, I won't hold you back from creating new project for.
16:30:17  <Ammler> just not sure, if it is worth right now.
16:30:29  <DJNekkid> but, the current 2cc set sux :P
16:30:38  <Ammler> well
16:30:42  <Ammler> it has some bugs.
16:30:44  <DJNekkid> too full of minor bugs ...
16:31:10  <DJNekkid> and the wagons arent very thought thru
16:34:03  <Ammler> DJNekkid: maybe you like to use the wiki to design the new set
16:34:18  <Ammler> how the templates are made and used.
16:34:27  <Ammler> what you need from preprocessor.
16:34:45  <Ammler> maybe other neat things
16:35:35  <Ammler> it should also include a system to easy change IDs and values, imo.
16:35:54  <DJNekkid> as far as i know is thoose things implemented now?
16:36:20  <Ammler> those things?
16:36:37  <DJNekkid> preprocessor stuff
16:36:46  <DJNekkid> STR_STUFF_THINGS
16:36:51  <DJNekkid> ID_ENGINE_WHATEVEr
16:36:52  <Ammler> well, but very basically, imo.
16:36:52  <DJNekkid> etc
16:37:17  <Ammler> if you use templates, you could use such stuff much deeper
16:37:33  <DJNekkid> enlighten me :)
16:38:13  <Ammler> e.g. #include templates/mu/defaults.pnfo
16:38:36  <Ammler> #include muX45/overrides.pnfo
16:38:55  <Ammler> #include templates/mu/Action0.pnfo
16:38:58  <Ammler> ...
16:39:57  <Ammler> you get what I mean
16:40:03  <DJNekkid> not really :)
16:40:31  <Ammler> if you change something in the template, if will be applied to all vehicels, also something already coded.
16:40:37  <Ammler> it*
16:41:38  <Ammler> you could use different mu values sets
16:41:52  <Ammler> for different kinds of them.
16:42:04  <Ammler> like early current futur
16:42:39  <Ammler> well, basically macros, I guess.
16:43:18  <DJNekkid> well ...
16:43:26  <Ammler> I just wouldn't replace values in the templates itslef.
16:43:29  <DJNekkid> all in all, i think it still should be NFO, not precompiled NFO
16:43:36  <Ammler> i would #define them
16:43:42  <Ammler> then load the template
16:44:18  <Ammler> well, it isn't now, we already use pnfo
16:44:42  <Ammler> you like to go back to nfo like in your early time?
16:45:52  <DJNekkid> not in its purest form
16:46:14  <Ammler> you will get a nof like here:
16:46:38  <DJNekkid> "nof" ?
16:46:42  <Ammler> :-P
16:46:49  <DJNekkid> whats nof?
16:46:53  <Ammler> nfo
16:46:56  <Ammler> maybe?
16:47:24  <Ammler> well, discuss that further with planetmaker.
16:47:38  <Ammler> as he is the guru of Makefile.
16:47:58  <DJNekkid> well, my point is, i dont want "WAS" ...
16:48:11  <DJNekkid> i dont understand how that works ...
16:48:28  <DJNekkid> it should be "nfo with benefits"
16:49:12  <Ammler> well, maybe I draw it down for you.
16:49:22  <DJNekkid> the current mu-template is quite ok i think
16:49:35  <Ammler> my idea is like was, just easier, imo.
16:49:54  <Ammler> I don't want to use real macros.
16:50:19  <Ammler> I just would replace the template values directly.
16:50:34  <DJNekkid> for example?
16:50:46  <DJNekkid> "-1 * 0  02 00 E1 81 47 10 FF 04"
16:51:21  <DJNekkid> to "ACTION_E1_VAR2-42_CARGOCLASS_4values" ?
16:52:07  <DJNekkid> -1 * 0  02 00 ED 82 B4 00 FF 01 -> ACTION2_ED_VAR2_SPEEDBASED_1value ?
16:53:28  <Ammler> hmm, there is no template nfo in nmts
16:53:34  <DJNekkid> in 2cc-set
16:53:41  <Ammler> how do you add a new train there?
16:54:24  <DJNekkid> well ...
16:55:08  <DJNekkid> i would like a new project, copy the template to a dir, rename the template, edit it to match the train i like
16:55:23  <DJNekkid> then add it to 2cc.pnfo or what it was, (what files to include)
16:55:32  <DJNekkid> then add the ID to id.pnfo
16:55:43  <Ammler> and what if you need to rise all prices by say 150%?
16:56:10  <DJNekkid> then i need to edit every single nfo
16:56:22  <DJNekkid> because, prices are a fraction of 255
16:56:31  <Ammler> and no easy bulk replace.
16:56:45  <DJNekkid> but, i never want to raise all prices by that, because we have a .xls
16:57:02  <DJNekkid> and that .xls will calculate every price
16:57:23  <Ammler> the xls could generate the override.nfo
16:57:53  <DJNekkid> can the makefile read a xls ?
16:58:09  <DJNekkid> quick afk
16:58:12  <Ammler> no
16:58:21  <Ammler> but you could easy write a nfo from xls
17:03:23  <DJNekkid> as in, copy paste ?
17:04:18  <Ammler> yep
17:04:25  <Ammler> or whatever
17:05:10  <DJNekkid> so, its possible to define multiple stuff on one line?
17:49:11  <planetmaker> heya
18:28:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 536: Added All Currently MD81 and MD83 pngs and pcxs @ (by Beardie27)
19:51:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 537: Added MD-81 PCX @ (by FaddyPainter)
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20:11:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 538: Fixing All Errors @ (by Beardie27)
20:16:53  <Frankr> Ammler: Do you use Vista?
20:18:24  <Frankr> DJNekkid: Do you use Vista?
20:20:24  * welshdragon does
20:21:03  <Frankr> Do you know if Vista Notepad is compatible on Xp
20:21:13  <Frankr> Which Encoding basically
20:21:59  <welshdragon> i don't use the notepad, but i'll have a look tomorrow
20:22:49  <Frankr> how do you make nfo's thn
20:24:44  <welshdragon> i'm not a coder :D
20:25:46  <Frankr> lol
20:37:16  <jonty-comp> yes, it should be
20:37:24  <jonty-comp> notepad is just plain ASCII as far as I know
20:37:30  <jonty-comp> with DOS line feeds and whatnot
20:37:57  <Frankr> Well it is compatible but has gone into being unreadable
20:38:04  <jonty-comp> hmm
20:38:08  <jonty-comp> that's not right
20:38:20  <jonty-comp> you should be able to load a notepad .txt made in windows 7 on windows 3.1!
20:38:34  <jonty-comp> perhaps you could try using notepad++ (google it, it's quite awesome)
20:39:11  <Ammler> I used metapad on my old windows days.
20:39:38  <Ammler> (replaced notepad with it)
20:41:00  <Frankr> God Vista is the worst program microsoft had every made
20:41:09  <Frankr> They should be shot
20:41:13  <jonty-comp> I used metapad on windows 98
20:41:18  <jonty-comp> but now I use notepad++
20:41:23  <jonty-comp> Windows Vista is quite awful
20:41:28  <jonty-comp> but Windows 7 is much better
20:41:46  <Frankr> i hope
20:41:59  <Frankr> i shall upgrade to windows 7
20:51:35  <Chris_Booth> microsoft are giving out free versions of windos 7 unltimate
20:51:53  <Chris_Booth> it you put your name forward for a windows 7 party and get selected
21:00:40  <Frankr> i may do that
21:02:02  <Frankr> Steve Ballmer is Crazy
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21:05:07  <Ammler> Frankr: you could update to Linux ;-)
21:05:17  <Frankr> :)
21:05:37  <Ammler> It isn't that difficult, how it sounds.
21:07:54  <Ammler> the only reason you need windows then, is for special games.
21:07:56  <Frankr> i know, Linux has a lot of good feedback
21:08:09  <Ammler> and those works nicely with every windows.
21:08:10  <Frankr> but i would always have to have windows
21:08:21  <Frankr> maybe have 2 boots
21:08:27  <Frankr> linux and windows
21:08:29  <Ammler> Frankr: 2 years ago, I thought the same.
21:08:42  <Rubidium> special games?
21:08:42  <Ammler> now I boot my windows only for windows games anymore.
21:08:53  <Chris_Booth> i currently have to have windows for uni work
21:09:01  <Rubidium> there're only 3 special games and all run on Linux/Wine
21:09:03  <Chris_Booth> as they make us use visual studio
21:09:25  <Rubidium> (or dosbox)
21:09:50  <Ammler> what does visual studio, what linux dev tools can't?
21:09:56  <Chris_Booth> if someone can get VS 2008 to work in linux i would only boot ubuntu
21:10:27  <Chris_Booth> nothing
21:10:28  <Ammler> the last windows boot was around 3 months ago.
21:10:37  <Rubidium> Ammler: install a shitload of .NET versions?
21:10:48  <Chris_Booth> but university use vs 2008 so i use it
21:10:55  <Ammler> that is what I fear from next boot :-P
21:10:59  <Chris_Booth> makes life easy on using 1 compiler
21:11:16  <Ammler> well, I didn't enable autoupdate.
21:11:34  <Ammler> oh, I have also a virtualbox windows running.
21:11:35  <Chris_Booth> also i do rather like openttd auto update
21:11:52  <Ammler> for a old access financel tool
21:11:59  <Chris_Booth> ammler I am the other way arround i use VM ware to VM ubuntu
21:13:14  <Ammler> if I would use windows, I would install cgywin or how that is called.
21:14:39  <Chris_Booth> that looks rather cool
21:14:48  <Ammler> I know people they use unix tools with x11.exe :-)
21:15:07  <Ammler> from the server
21:15:24  <Chris_Booth> see if i even need a different os i just load it using VM ware
21:15:31  <Chris_Booth> from my windows box
21:15:56  <Ammler> using windows as main system is no option for me anymore.
21:16:23  <Chris_Booth> why?
21:16:54  <Ammler> well, software management is pure hell with windows.
21:17:07  <Chris_Booth> no it isnt
21:17:27  <Chris_Booth> drive managment is a bit poor compared to linux
21:17:40  <Ammler> searching the whole internet for a good tool is just omg.
21:17:59  <Ammler> looking for matching drivers for hardware :'-(
21:18:14  <Ammler> on linux it simply just works.
21:18:50  <Chris_Booth> ok hardware is a nightmare but you can always find the correct driver
21:18:57  * Rubidium wonders what to do to get Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, OpenOffice and MSVC updated in Windows
21:18:59  <Chris_Booth> with linux and osx it may not find the driver
21:19:19  <Ammler> here it is "zypper up "
21:20:09  <Ammler> I have setup a pc with linux in say 40 min but complete with multimedia, office tools everything.
21:20:21  * Rubidium challenges Chris_Booth to find the Windows USB3 driver
21:20:44  <Ammler> on windows, you can reserve a day
21:22:14  <Chris_Booth> how slow is your PC ammler
21:22:24  <Ammler> the server?
21:22:26  <Chris_Booth> and what version of windows where you trying to use?
21:22:51  <Ammler> you think, you would setup a windows before I setup a Linux?
21:22:54  <Chris_Booth> [22:20]	<Ammler>	on windows, you can reserve a day < windows take 2 hours to install
21:23:14  <Chris_Booth> no linux is quicker to setup
21:23:22  <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: does that include *all* service packs/security updates?
21:23:36  <Chris_Booth> but it doesnt take 24 hours to install windows and drivers and media programs and office
21:23:37  <Ammler> well, then you have a recovery CD
21:23:56  <Ammler> hmm, 24 hours might be too long :-)
21:24:05  <Ammler> but around 5 it is.
21:24:13  <Chris_Booth> Rubidium: if you buy the latest version of windows it come with all the service packs
21:24:24  <Ammler> and the drivers?
21:24:31  <Ammler> office tools?
21:24:36  <Ammler> media players?
21:24:46  <Chris_Booth> vista is more like linux with drivers it will find them for you
21:24:49  <Ammler> development tools?
21:24:54  <Chris_Booth> office tools get open office
21:25:03  <Rubidium> oh... add another 30 minutes to buy the latest windows, vista SP something. When was that SP released?
21:25:07  <Chris_Booth> windows comes with windows media player
21:25:12  <Ammler> :-)
21:25:32  <Chris_Booth> the get the dev tools you need
21:25:32  <Ammler> oh, then you need another hours to install all the codecs.
21:25:41  <Rubidium> ah, april 2009... so still half a year of security updates to apply
21:25:41  <Chris_Booth> i agree linux package manager is handy
21:26:06  <Ammler> I prefer to install vlc on windows, still.
21:26:09  <Chris_Booth> ammler you are a tool sometimes
21:26:17  <Chris_Booth> get a combined codec pack
21:26:38  <Chris_Booth> < for exampl
21:26:39  <Webster> Title: Combined Community Codec Pack (at
21:26:43  <Chris_Booth> has everything you need
21:26:54  <Ammler> CB, I have to admit, not much experience there anymore
21:27:10  <Ammler> windows is just for pros.
21:27:25  <Ammler> linux is for newbies like me ;-)
21:27:26  <Chris_Booth> windows is for people that are forced to use it
21:27:35  <Chris_Booth> i never though i would here that
21:27:52  <Chris_Booth> i cant stand windows media player
21:28:06  <Chris_Booth> so i would have to factor in downloading win amp
21:28:21  <Ammler> I have to download everything
21:28:27  <Ammler> that is why it takes so long
21:28:27  <Chris_Booth> i think windows is for people that are lazy/dont know any better
21:28:29  <Ammler> 40 mins
21:28:34  <Ammler> for 2 GB
21:29:03  <Ammler> else you would setup a linux in 10 mins :-D
21:29:10  <Chris_Booth> ammler put it this way you would have to you a MAC or windows box to get linux distro in the first place
21:29:46  <Ammler> oh, openttd is installed in those 40 mins, too.
21:30:21  <Chris_Booth> i dont need to install openttd i have a program to do that for me
21:30:36  <Chris_Booth> it also manages my GRF's and revisions
21:30:40  <Ammler> no there is netinstaller bootable CD
21:31:23  <Ammler> oh, and how do you update from Windows Vista to Windows 7?
21:31:44  <Chris_Booth> well for me i go to uni and burn myself a DVD
21:31:51  <Ammler> then?
21:31:59  <Chris_Booth> then install it as an upgrade over windows vista
21:32:08  <Ammler> oh, does that work?
21:32:23  <Chris_Booth> windows installer gives me the option to remove or keep old windows files
21:32:36  <Chris_Booth> it did 2 years ago when i went vista
21:32:39  <Ammler> I always made fresh installs.
21:32:50  <Chris_Booth> so i assue the same will apply with windows 7
21:32:54  <Chris_Booth> which i get free
21:33:03  <Ammler> now, I change the repo url and type "zypper dup"
21:33:22  <Ammler> oh, I get my new suse for free, too :-P
21:33:37  <Chris_Booth> server edition?
21:33:45  <Ammler> yes, of course.
21:34:00  <Ammler> devzone runs with.
21:34:01  <Chris_Booth> illegal copy?
21:34:17  <Ammler> oh, you mean the support, which you can buy.
21:34:26  <Ammler> that is something I don't need.
21:34:41  <Chris_Booth> oh so your using open suse
21:34:42  <Ammler> Well, I would need, but ...
21:34:55  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: of course, what else?
21:35:19  <Ammler> you meant SLE
21:35:25  <Chris_Booth> i get all Microsoft product free via my university on MSDN
21:35:32  <Chris_Booth> that includes suse#
21:35:34  <Ammler> that is enterprise, not server
21:35:46  <Chris_Booth> ooh enterprise
21:35:51  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: you get also drugs for free
21:35:51  <Chris_Booth> i dont know what it is
21:36:04  <Chris_Booth> i dont get free drugs
21:36:27  <Ammler> for start, I am sure
21:36:55  <Chris_Booth> you knoe novell is party owned by microsoft
21:36:57  <Ammler> you shouldn't use software, which you can't use after you leave the school.
21:37:22  <Chris_Booth> i can use it
21:37:26  <Chris_Booth> the licence is for life
21:37:30  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: do I need to care, who owns novell?
21:37:43  <Chris_Booth> nope
21:37:59  <Ammler> oh, you want to use windows 7 the next 40 years?
21:38:11  <Chris_Booth> why not
21:38:18  <Ammler> :-)
21:38:20  <Ammler> ok
21:38:20  <Chris_Booth> i have been playing openttd for the past 12
21:38:34  <Ammler> yes, you play openttd now, not TTD
21:38:37  <Chris_Booth> well ttd
21:38:54  <Ammler> so you updated quite a lot just the last 10 years
21:39:39  <Chris_Booth> my operating system has changed 6 times in the time i have been playing the same game
21:39:54  <Chris_Booth> i even found one of my mega early games the other day
21:40:11  <Chris_Booth> but who is to say i will use the same hardware for the next 40 years?
21:40:25  <Ammler> what our schools do with Microsoft is just worst.
21:40:37  <Chris_Booth> and who is to say it is cheaper to build your own pc than it is to buy own from dell or Hp
21:40:53  <Chris_Booth> what do your schools do?
21:41:09  <Chris_Booth> get ripped and use XP or something?
21:41:13  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: it is quite the same here
21:41:20  <Ammler> you get MS for free
21:42:40  <Chris_Booth> MS is almost a curse
21:42:46  <Chris_Booth> as everyone uses it
21:42:57  <Chris_Booth> although its not got the market share it used to
21:43:05  <Ammler> yeah, you learn using VS, not C++ ;-)
21:43:08  <Chris_Booth> more people are going to linux and mac
21:43:33  <Chris_Booth> what ammler?
21:43:48  <Chris_Booth> i learn c++ from my tutors
21:43:51  <Chris_Booth> and text book
21:43:54  <Chris_Booth> and forums
21:43:57  <Ammler> no, you learn VS :-P
21:44:30  <Chris_Booth> so your now telling me vs just make my programs for me
21:44:40  <Ammler> yes, you said it earlier.
21:44:56  <Ammler> you need MSVS, that is why you use Windows.
21:45:26  <Chris_Booth> what i meant is that i have only ever used MS VS
21:45:45  <Ammler> so you think, you could also code with netbeans?
21:45:50  <Chris_Booth> and it does have some nice tools
21:46:09  <Chris_Booth> if it can read c++ or c# then yes
21:46:18  <Ammler> or eclipse
21:46:30  <Ammler> those are tools, which would work on windows, too, btw.
21:46:59  <Chris_Booth> vs does have some nice features though
21:47:13  <Ammler> well, anyway, it isn't bad, coding with VS
21:47:48  <Ammler> it is just bad, that the school forces you to use it.
21:48:07  <Chris_Booth> they dont force us to use it
21:48:13  <Chris_Booth> they supply us with it
21:48:31  <Chris_Booth> and suggest we use it as that what they are going to create all the demo work with
21:49:40  <Chris_Booth> i wish i could draw
21:49:41  <Ammler> so you are also learing to use the windows api, the whole gui stuff
21:49:46  <Chris_Booth> (draw well)
21:49:56  <Ammler> which only work on winows
21:50:33  <Ammler> well, I should shut off.
21:50:44  <Chris_Booth> night
21:51:24  <Chris_Booth> well if everyone else used the same API call it would make life easier
21:51:59  <Ammler> dunno, if live would be easier, if eveyone would use windows, maybe...
21:52:27  <Chris_Booth> not if everone used windows
21:52:33  <Chris_Booth> but if everyone used the same API
21:52:38  <Ammler> doesn't matter :-)
21:52:56  <Chris_Booth> and graphics card drver thingy like direct x
21:53:37  <Ammler> well, those games should be played on game consoles anyway.
21:53:55  <Ammler> pc is simply too expensive for that.
21:54:20  <Chris_Booth> then i have to much money
21:54:38  <Ammler> yeah, me too.
21:54:41  <Chris_Booth> i play all my game on PC
21:55:04  <Chris_Booth> one nice feature of windows it does tell you what game your PC can handle
21:55:09  <Ammler> I had once a NES
21:55:10  <Chris_Booth> with a rating system
21:55:21  <Chris_Booth> i still have my n64
21:55:25  <Ammler> no idea,
21:55:27  <Chris_Booth> pluged into my tv
21:55:42  <Ammler> I use TV for news and sport
21:56:03  <Chris_Booth> the rating system rates your PC on common feature and gives it a rating from 1 - 6
21:56:05  <Ammler> and pc for games and TV shows (Torrents)
21:56:27  <Chris_Booth> torrents are nasty
21:56:36  <Chris_Booth> to common and easy to trase
21:56:48  <Chris_Booth> and virgin media sent me a letter from downloading torrents
21:56:55  <Ammler> hehe.
21:57:08  <Ammler> I don't really care.
21:57:09  <Chris_Booth> i use ED2K now
21:57:21  <Chris_Booth> it is realy old but virgin seem to like it more
21:57:23  <Ammler> eDonkey?
21:57:31  <Chris_Booth> eDonkey is dead
21:57:34  <Chris_Booth> eMule
21:57:48  <Chris_Booth> ED2k + KAD
21:58:06  <Ammler> well, I don't use public torrent trackers
21:58:19  <Ammler> for the "notsolegalstuff"
21:58:54  <Chris_Booth> i always think that TV show from other countries are legal as there laws dont apply in our country
21:59:18  <Chris_Booth> music is to low quality 99% of the time when downloaded so i buy CDs
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