Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 6th January 2012:
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00:53:07  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #3458 (New): Not all default buildings disabled by parameter (PaulC) @
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10:29:17  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3459 (New): Railtype, feature 0x1D (planetmaker) @
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10:48:28  <planetmaker> Yexo: ^ name the property "alternative_railtype_for" ?
10:48:55  <Yexo> I thought about "alternative_railtype_labels"
10:49:27  <planetmaker> that does not imply the direction of the implication
10:49:45  <Yexo> but there isn't none
10:50:02  <Yexo> for all intends and purposes you can replace the main label with one of the alternative ones and everything would work the same
10:50:20  <Yexo> with as big exception "confliction" other railtype newgrfs
10:50:28  <Yexo> but a vehicle newgrf wouldn't notice any difference
10:50:57  <planetmaker> true
10:51:05  <planetmaker> just 'alternative_labels'?
10:51:19  <Yexo> that would imo be fine
10:51:27  <Yexo> but I have to go now
10:51:36  <Yexo> will be back later this afternoon
10:52:06  <planetmaker> ok, enjoy
10:56:32  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3459: Railtype, feature 0x1D (planetmaker) @
11:03:21  <Hirundo> planetmaker: looks ok to me
11:11:40  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1785:56d7781ece7a: Add #3459: Alternative railtype label list (planetmaker) @
11:12:22  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3459 (Closed): Railtype, feature 0x1D (planetmaker) @
11:12:22  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3459 (Closed): Railtype, feature 0x1D (planetmaker) @
11:29:56  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Support #2850: PyPI - the Python Package Index (planetmaker) @
11:33:19  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Code Review #3460 (New): Always use DOS palette (planetmaker) @
11:56:28  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Support #2850: PyPI - the Python Package Index (Ammler) @
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14:54:41  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 462:b9a46b7848e2: more elaborate lifetime calculation, taki... (Eddi) @
14:54:42  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 463:5702b05b1a0c: misc value updates (Eddi) @
14:58:30  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3461 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
15:04:38  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 464:9dd6f4fc72ac: apply some sort of comments (Eddi) @
15:07:23  <Brot6> cets: compile of r464 still failed (#3461) -
16:09:43  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #3462 (New): Tall buildings flicker above certain height levels (PaulC) @
16:41:41  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 465:bb3c66566018: fix last built calculation (Eddi) @
16:53:45  <Brot6> cets: update from r461 to r465 done (534 warnings) -
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17:17:28  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r854 to r856 done -
17:27:14  <Brot6> nml: update from r1784 to r1785 done -
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18:03:32  <planetmaker> Yexo: that e-mail at least arrives in my e-mail box
18:03:53  <Yexo> I haven't received it yet
18:14:18  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3463 (New): NS 2900 (Voyager1) @
18:15:34  <Hirundo> Yexo: I have received your e-mail
18:16:47  <planetmaker> according to our config, your openttd address should receive those e-mails, too, Yexo
18:16:51  <Yexo> so everyone gets it except me
18:17:17  <planetmaker> the mail server got a 550 from the openttd mail server
18:17:45  <planetmaker> or so it seems...
18:19:13  <^Spike^> 550 5.7.1 SPF fail: see<yep-stripped>&ip=<stripped> (in reply to RCPT TO command)
18:19:14  <^Spike^> that
18:20:24  <Yexo> depending on how your server forwarded the message, that seems a valid response
18:20:46  <^Spike^> 550 isn't valid for me... :D
18:20:51  <^Spike^> tells me it's denied!!! :D
18:21:02  <Yexo> I send mail from, so if the openttdcoop server tried to send the mail with "From:" it's logical refused it
18:21:12  <^Spike^> ah
18:21:14  <Yexo> after all, shouldn't send emails from * addresses
18:21:28  <^Spike^> well... how did you send our mail? :)
18:21:51  <Yexo> what do you mean?
18:22:05  * ^Spike^ was still reading page since the url server was invalid
18:26:07  <Ammler> yes, it looks like it does not change the header sender
18:26:58  <Ammler> Hirundo: or planetmaker, who is the sender in the mail?
18:27:25  <Ammler> Yexo: not quite sure, what is right
18:27:47  <^Spike^> Yexo himself is the sender
18:27:57  <Ammler> what I know is that your mailserver doesn't filter the wrong mails the first time ;-)
18:28:19  <Hirundo> Ammler: It was sent from to
18:28:29  <Ammler> ok
18:28:29  <Yexo> Ammler: from's point of view openttdcoop is trying to send a mail from a * address, I'd argue that is wrong
18:28:39  <Ammler> Yexo: no
18:28:45  <Ammler> it is just forwarding your mail
18:28:52  <Ammler> it does not "repack" it
18:28:52  <^Spike^> well then gmail also would say it's wrong
18:29:11  <Ammler> Yexo: I guess, our mailfilter does check the wrong field
18:29:18  <Yexo> Ammler: how is that any different? can tell you're "only forwarding"?
18:29:53  <Yexo> it could be a bug at's site, I don't know. If you think so please speak to TrueBrain
18:30:03  <^Spike^> it could be which blocks it
18:30:07  <^Spike^> cause that mx replies
18:30:11  <Ammler> Yexo: I am not sure too :-)
18:30:34  <Ammler> ^Spike^: that is the silly filter uses
18:32:52  <Ammler> Yexo: the issue is you have no clue how many mails you do not get because of that "uncommon" filter
18:33:12  <Ammler> just mails the sender can check the logs
18:33:35  <michi_cc> Ammler: The "proper" solution (at least in some people's eyes) is to always use SRS when forwarding mail.
18:34:00  <Yexo> let's take it to #openttd since TB is not here
18:34:09  <Ammler> hmm, true
18:34:17  <Ammler> michi_cc: what is SRS?
18:34:22  <planetmaker> Ammler: the mail I got was from y3xo's openttd address
18:34:31  <Ammler> planetmaker: which is good
18:34:32  <michi_cc>
18:34:33  <Webster> Title: Sender Rewriting Scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
18:34:54  <Ammler> planetmaker: what matters i the sender, the question is if we can change that
18:35:15  <Ammler> the sender you do see in the header only
18:35:17  <michi_cc> is probably the bettter article.
18:35:18  <Webster> Title: Sender Rewriting Scheme – Wikipedia (at
18:35:29  <Ammler> ^Spike^: can we do this?
18:36:46  <^Spike^> checking
18:37:55  <Ammler> michi_cc: but the important part is that errors would then go to our server instead the sender
18:55:04  <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Bug #3464 (New): Signs and curves (oberhuemer) @
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19:15:19  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3414: New Vehicles (Swissfan91) @
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19:23:58  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Bug #3465 (New): Edit of included vehicles (Yoshi) @
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22:42:23  <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 53:7037c19c6920: Change: add some more trucks (andythenorth) @
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23:34:35  <Ammler> Yexo: until we fix the issue, can we add another email address to nml?
23:35:05  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3414: New Vehicles (Swissfan91) @
23:36:20  <Yexo> it's not that important as long as both pm and Hirund0 receive the emails
23:38:38  <^Spike^> i think you still receive the mails on address as long as there is no in the from field :)
23:39:18  <Yexo> ^Spike^: I don't think so
23:39:25  <Yexo> but feel free to send a message to test it
23:39:55  <Yexo> actually I should do that myself :)
23:40:46  <^Spike^> someone changed it to a gmail address already... :)
23:40:50  * ^Spike^ looks at Ammler :)
23:41:23  <Yexo> yes, I got your message now
23:41:33  <Ammler> no, it's your mesage :-P
23:41:43  <Ammler> that's the point :-D
23:42:05  <Yexo> I got the message ^Spike^ send but not the mail I send myself (from my gmail address)
23:42:33  <^Spike^> well... let me guess that is t.mar..... :)
23:42:39  <Yexo> yes
23:42:39  <^Spike^> someone changed that value in the alias :)
23:42:40  <Ammler> that might need the greylist time
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23:43:00  <Yexo> possible, or gmail might block it because you're not supposed to be sending messages from
23:43:16  <^Spike^> there it might be you get the same mail twice from your test :)
23:43:26  <^Spike^> your message is greylisted Yexo :)
23:43:40  <Ammler> Yexo: that is only valid with address
23:43:58  <Ammler> because has a spf record with -all
23:43:59  <^Spike^> Jan 6 23:43:49 mx1 postfix/smtp[18532]: A0F66C2A028: to=<>,[]:25, delay=1.1, delays=0.41/0.03/0.58/0.08, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as AA518C03A08)
23:44:04  <^Spike^> send without a problem this time
23:44:14  <^Spike^> cause the from field is not from
23:44:30  <^Spike^> that was the problem when you send it yourself from to that alias
23:44:49  <Ammler> has ~all
23:44:58  <Ammler> gmail none
23:45:56  <Yexo> ^Spike^: got your second test email, still not my own
23:46:22  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #3096: Provide ECS Houses support (PaulC) @
23:46:59  <Ammler> Yexo: apike already said, it is greylisted
23:47:04  <Ammler> dunno how long that needs
23:47:21  <Yexo> I'll see tomorrow whether they've arrived
23:47:25  <Ammler> :-)
23:47:27  <Yexo> good night, thanks for looking into this ;)
23:47:34  <Ammler> if not, I own you beer :-P
23:47:54  <planetmaker> g'night Yexo
23:49:35  <Ammler> spike, it should not matter, what is in the from
23:49:39  <Ammler> (I hope)
23:51:19  <^Spike^> it does for the server
23:51:36  <^Spike^> if it is a local address it doesnt accept it cause it doesn't come from the server
23:53:01  <^Spike^> but i'm of to bed aswell and Yexo your mail has arrived :)
23:57:06  <Ammler> but your test was never a issue
23:57:23  <Ammler> the issue was when he sent from

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