Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 12th September 2012:
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00:27:09  <Brot6> feed NewGRFs had 13 updates, showing the latest 10
00:27:09  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 990:c19ecda8b44b: Added New MD11 to NFO XBeardie27X @
00:27:09  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 991:5b278f72492a: Added New MD11 Finnair PCX XBeardie27X @
00:27:09  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 992:8d2f62b398fb: Corrected the Finnair PCX Graphic XBeardie27X @
00:27:13  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 993:5f5cfa7a6cf6: MD11F Liveries Now In Alpha XBeardie27X @
00:27:17  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 994:34e2ea6d2816: Added JAL MD81 to NFO XBeardie27X @
00:27:23  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 995:872a937813b7: Added JAL MD81 Pcx XBeardie27X @
00:27:26  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 996:450f6f7d0785: Added 4 New MD82 Liveries to NFO and 7F NFO XBeardie27X @
00:27:31  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 997:498b096338ac: Added 4 New MD82 Pcxs XBeardie27X @
00:27:34  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 998:52142e5a0c39: Added 2 New MD83 PCXs To NFO XBeardie27X @
00:27:38  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 999:f0e804abb1f4: Added Two New MD83 PCXs XBeardie27X @
00:28:03  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 1000:729a9c1135f3: Congratulations on r1000 for the World Airliners S... XBeardie27X @
00:32:55  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r984 to r999 done -
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00:37:43  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r999 to r1000 done -
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11:14:30  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #4212 (New): distinguish 'return' in switch blocks et al. XHirundoX @
11:18:47  <planetmaker> Hirundo, what's the supposed difference between using 'X' and 'return X'?
11:20:41  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #4212: distinguish 'return' in switch blocks et al. XplanetmakerX @
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17:09:28  <Yexo> planetmaker: 'X' should be an identifier of an (var)action2 (=switch/produce/random_switch/spriteset), in 'return X' X should be an expression
17:16:49  <Brot6> nml: update from r1992 to r1994 done -
17:30:30  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r984 to r1000 done -
17:34:53  <Brot6> dutchtracks: update from r98 to r99 done -
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18:22:44  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 100:d8072732fe0b: Release: 0.1.0-alpha1 XTransportmanX @
18:23:24  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 101:37af1de699a6: Removed tag 0.1.0 alpha1 XTransportmanX @
18:23:24  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 102:6c3c5d0e923d: Removed tag 0.1.0-alpha1 XTransportmanX @
18:23:24  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 103:b7df6a4dafed: Release: 0.1.0-alpha1 (try 2) XTransportmanX @
18:25:44  <Brot6> dutchtracks: update from  to 0.1.0-alpha1 done -
18:49:46  <Ammler> hmm
18:50:48  <Ammler> he tagged the removing?
18:50:51  <planetmaker> ah, I see, thanks, Yexo
18:51:31  <planetmaker> though... not sure I completely see it
18:51:43  <Ammler> why that tagging mess?
18:52:41  <planetmaker> Yexo, so X should only be an ID, but not a return value, right? But... isn't a spriteset name kinda a return value, too?
18:53:12  <Yexo> no, it's not an expression
18:53:34  <Yexo> 'return x' should only be used for 'return some_act2_variable' cases
18:54:00  <Yexo> or (more complex) 'return var1+var2-3' or 'return LOAD_TEMP(3)'
18:54:13  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1995:198ac61bfbe1: Add: ##map_case pragma similar to ##map_gender XyexoX @
18:54:33  <Alberth> Ammler: no idea you can make a local clone for experimenting perhaps?
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19:33:13  <Ammler> Alberth: how does that help to explain the tagging?
19:34:25  <Alberth> experiment locally, throw away the clone once you know how to do it, and then do it properly, and push
19:36:32  <Ammler> why do you blame the devzone for it?
19:37:31  <Alberth> I don't
19:38:03  <Alberth> It's just a possible explanation why he pushes the tags and tag-removal
19:38:25  <Ammler> I don't think, I could recproduce that
19:40:36  <Alberth> you were not looking for a possible explanation why the tagging and tag-removals were pushed?
19:46:38  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 1001:f6c1c8294642: Change Ranges XFrankX @
19:47:02  <Ammler> That's all I wanted :-)
19:48:40  <Alberth> but my explanation was not correct, or not understandable, or ??
19:48:53  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Bug #4205 (Closed): Correct Aircraft Ranges XFrankX @
19:49:39  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r1000 to r1001 done -
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20:25:25  <Frankr> Is there any easy way to remove vehicles using an action, rather than just over-writing?
20:26:03  <Yexo> yes
20:26:21  <Yexo> disable(...), looking for the exact syntax
20:26:39  <Yexo> see
20:27:00  <Frankr> in NFO yexo?
20:27:34  <Yexo> set climate availability to 0
20:28:17  <Frankr> i thought that was the way but i got an error, let me retry, :)
20:29:51  <Frankr> I've found my idiotic error, lol. cheers
20:32:37  <Hirundo> planetmaker: Like XYexoX said, 'return X;' returns an expression as a callback result, while 'X' should be a (var)action2 identifier to continue the chain
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20:36:15  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 1002:5e3bf43506e3: Add Plane Removal XFrankX @
20:36:52  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Bug #4206 (Closed): Remove OTTD Original Planes XFrankX @
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20:39:49  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r1001 to r1002 done -
20:44:01  <Ammler> how the hell did they manage to add grfcodec to the vcs, our hook broken again?
20:45:30  <Rubidium> did it ever work?
20:45:35  <Ammler> hmm, .exe is not part of the check
20:45:53  <Yexo> Frankr: with a single action 0 you can change a property on multiple IDs
20:46:32  <Frankr> well you learn something new everyday, :)
20:46:52  <Frankr> would that be no. ids
20:47:09  <Yexo> <- yes, like that
20:47:21  <Yexo> that one line is identical to your complete 002remove.nfo file
20:47:33  <Yexo> I might have miscounted a 00 though
20:47:38  <Frankr> well that is easier than my way lol
20:47:47  <Yexo> and the 28 should be 29 I think
20:48:56  <Frankr> i may change that then, :)
20:50:07  <Ammler> Rubidium: does that server need migrating to our new server?
20:50:35  <Ammler> (ip will change)
20:50:56  <Rubidium> at the moment it isn't needed; not sure whether it might be needed in the future
20:51:34  <Ammler> ok, then new ip will be
20:52:43  <Hirundo> FWIW: the link to OVH on that page is broken (missing http://)
20:53:23  <Rubidium> just disable it for now ;)
20:53:48  <Ammler> I don't touch that server :-P
20:53:59  <Hirundo> Yexo: I propose to focus on getting stations and bridges done in NML and then release v0.3
20:54:16  <Yexo> I completely agree :)
20:54:48  <Hirundo> Of those two bridges are not really a high prio, but being able to claim feature completeness would be nice
20:54:57  <Yexo> #4212 should wait until after 0.3 (when we can break old code again :p)
20:54:58  <Brot6> Yexo: #4212 is "Bug #4212: distinguish 'return' in switch blocks et al. - NewGRF Meta Language - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:55:12  <Rubidium> bridges might be easier though ;)
20:55:40  <Yexo> bridges are technically quite easy, coming up with a good abstraction for them isn't
20:55:46  <Ammler> @topic remove -1
20:55:47  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | anonymous Fallback hg host: (should work like but also for big files)"
20:55:49  <Yexo> or maybe it is, haven't tried recently
20:56:37  <Ammler> @topic add We will migrate our servers this weekend, if something does't work, try again later or ask here
20:56:43  <Ammler> @services add
20:56:46  <Ammler> @services op
20:56:54  <Ammler> too long :-P
20:57:37  <Ammler> @topic add #openttdcoop servers will be migrated this week(end)
20:57:53  <Ammler> mäh
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20:58:08  <Ammler> @topic add "#openttdcoop servers will be migrated this week(end)"
20:58:09  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | anonymous Fallback hg host: (should work like but also for big files) | #openttdcoop servers will be migrated this week(end)"
20:59:05  <Hirundo> Bridges are trivial except for the sprite table, for which you have to find a compromise between coding effort on our part and ugliness of the resulting NML
21:00:05  <Ammler> and commit newbridges right after :-P
21:01:36  <Ammler> I might migrate IRC tomorrow morning, seems best time for irc, right?
21:01:51  <Hirundo> real newbridges have not yet appeared in 10 years, I doubt it happens soon
21:02:28  <Ammler> depending on DNS, it could be down for around 10mins
21:02:45  <Rubidium> oh, the bouncer?
21:02:50  <Ammler> yes
21:03:05  <Hirundo> I don't expect to use it tomorrow morning
21:03:14  <Ammler> ususally nobody does
21:03:20  <Ammler> maybe planetmaker :-)
21:03:20  <Hirundo> In general, morning seems pretty quiet indeed
21:08:12  <Ammler> new bnc will stay with same domain but new ip
21:08:47  <Ammler> ip will be
21:08:56  <Rubidium> so... start the bouncer, change the dns name, wait for that to time out a few times and then shut down the old bouncer ;)
21:08:57  <Ammler> oh,
21:09:14  <Ammler> I could :-P
21:09:26  <Ammler> the issue is that vzmigrate doesn't do that
21:10:22  <Ammler> I guess, I could simply rsync manually, hmm
21:12:14  <Ammler> the other servers, I just started again after migrate, so nobody noticed the downtime
21:12:26  <Ammler> but if bouncer goes down and up again, it would be a mess
21:12:53  <Ammler> also the new bouncer will try to join already and so everyone will be joined double
21:14:48  <Ammler> I could setup the new bouncer and let the old bouncer use the new bounder :-P
21:20:09  <Hirundo> Election results (well... exit polls) are interesting
21:21:28  <Hirundo> Two largest parties around 40 seats out of 150 each
21:22:40  <Hirundo> Far left, far right and two centre parties 12-15 seats each
21:27:31  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (1 warnings), zbuild, ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 664), firs (12 warnings) (Diffsize: 468), opengfx, bandit (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 8191), cets (195 warnings), friss (Diffsize: 2160), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 1), dutchtrains, swisstowns (Diffsize: 51), make-nml, britrains (7 warnings) (Diffsize: 67278),
21:27:31  <Brot6> metrotrackset, dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 203965), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv, fish (1 warnings), ogfx-landscape (2 warnings) (Diffsize: 1320), swedishrails, uselesstracks, german-townnames (Diffsize: 5042), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 72), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 350), debugveh (Diffsize: 989), airportsplus (Diffsize: 6970)
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21:58:31  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 1003:ffd4eae03cf1: Makefile Alteration XFrankX @
21:59:32  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r1002 to r1003 done -
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