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14:18:11 *** TWerkhoven has quit IRC 14:45:45 *** Ryton_ has joined #openttdcoop.pro 14:47:15 <Ryton_> !date 14:47:15 <ProZone> Ryton_: 25 Jan 1975 14:47:36 <Ryton_> oh, the game is progressing! 14:47:45 <Ryton_> !topic 14:47:58 <Ryton_> @TOPIC 14:47:58 <Webster> Ryton_: #openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25186) | STAGE: MESS OR DIE | visit www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PZ_game_ideas 14:49:21 <Ryton_> !info 14:49:21 <ProZone> Ryton_: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'LoPo Transport' Year Founded: 1975 Money: 100000 Loan: 100000 Value: 1 (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected 14:51:20 <Ryton_> but still 0 trains 14:54:27 <V453000> I doubt that is an actual real game? 14:54:30 <V453000> !password 14:54:30 <ProZone> V453000: quiche 14:54:40 <V453000> !dl win64 14:54:40 <ProZone> V453000: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r25186/openttd-trunk-r25186-windows-win64.zip 14:55:31 <ProZone> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:55:31 <ProZone> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:55:32 <ProZone> *** V453000 joined the game 14:56:00 <V453000> no plan no signs, no newGRFs ... only there is named LoPo transport 14:56:10 <V453000> I doubt that is intentional, though anything is possible 14:56:21 <V453000> as a matter of fact I do have an idea for a game here 14:58:24 <ProZone> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 14:58:24 <ProZone> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:58:36 <V453000> !update 14:58:36 <ProZone> V453000: Update starting... 15:01:16 <ProZone> Update done: OpenTTD r25244 15:01:52 <V453000> !install 15:01:59 <ProZone> V453000: install done, please run !restart 15:05:24 <V453000> !restart 15:05:24 <ProZone> V453000: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute! 15:06:01 <ProZone> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely 15:06:01 <ProZone> Thank you for playing r25186. 15:06:05 <ProZone> Server has exited 15:06:05 *** ProZone has quit IRC 15:06:14 *** ProZone has joined #openttdcoop.pro 15:06:14 <ProZone> Autopilot engaged 15:06:14 <ProZone> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} ProZone (www.openttdcoop.org)' 15:06:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ProZone 15:06:14 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25244) | STAGE: MESS OR DIE | visit www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PZ_game_ideas" 15:10:00 *** Ryton_ has quit IRC 15:35:09 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.pro 15:35:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 15:42:13 <V453000> !content 15:42:13 <ProZone> V453000: [Content] Connection established 15:42:13 <ProZone> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 15:42:13 <ProZone> V453000: [Content] All 0 downloaded 15:42:13 <ProZone> V453000: [Content] (you need to rescan(ai|game|newgrf) to have the new content loaded) 15:46:05 <V453000> !getsave https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/pzg23start1.sav 15:46:06 <ProZone> V453000: OK :-) 15:46:59 <V453000> !rcon ls 15:46:59 <ProZone> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory) 15:46:59 <ProZone> V453000: 1) archive/ (Directory) 15:46:59 <ProZone> V453000: 2) autosave/ (Directory) 15:46:59 <ProZone> V453000: 3) uploads/ (Directory) 15:46:59 <ProZone> V453000: 4) restart.sav 15:47:00 <ProZone> V453000: you have 40 more messages 15:47:03 <V453000> !rcon cd 3 15:47:06 <V453000> !rcon load 1 15:47:08 <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 15:47:13 <V453000> !date 15:47:13 <ProZone> V453000: 13 Jan 2100 15:47:18 <V453000> !changepw 15:47:18 <ProZone> V453000: Password changed to muffin 15:47:20 <V453000> !password 15:47:21 <ProZone> V453000: muffin 15:47:42 <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 15:47:44 <ProZone> *** V453000 joined the game 15:47:46 <V453000> !auto 15:47:46 <ProZone> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 15:47:48 <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 15:59:30 <V453000> !unpause 15:59:30 <ProZone> *** V453000 has unpaused the server. 15:59:40 <V453000> !rcon unpause 15:59:40 <ProZone> *** Game unpaused (manual) 16:52:58 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop.pro 16:55:57 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop.pro 16:58:52 <Jam35> !dl 16:58:52 <ProZone> Jam35: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x 16:59:14 <Jam35> !dl win32 16:59:14 <ProZone> Jam35: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r25244/openttd-trunk-r25244-windows-win32.zip 17:01:49 <Jam35> !password 17:01:49 <ProZone> Jam35: fluxed 17:02:09 <ProZone> *** Jam35 joined the game 17:02:20 <ProZone> <V453000> behold the wall of text 17:02:24 <ProZone> <V453000> well more like lake, but k 17:02:42 <ProZone> <Jam35> it is kind of striking 17:02:52 <ProZone> <Jam35> nice :) 17:06:18 <V453000> @stage wtf 17:06:18 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25244) | STAGE: wtf | visit www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PZ_game_ideas" 17:09:12 <ProZone> <V453000> thoughts? 17:09:31 <ProZone> <Jam35> still trying to absorb all the info :) 17:10:50 <ProZone> <Jam35> need to know the industries better 17:11:01 <ProZone> <Jam35> so obviously not all are taken care of 17:11:15 <ProZone> <V453000> which isnt taken care of? 17:11:29 <ProZone> <Jam35> not sure doesn't look enough :) 17:11:35 <ProZone> <Jam35> fish? 17:11:41 <ProZone> <V453000> which fish 17:11:44 <ProZone> <Jam35> ok 17:12:06 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 17:12:12 <ProZone> <V453000> each firs economy is different 17:12:24 <ProZone> <Jam35> right that's my problem atm 17:12:30 <ProZone> <Jam35> let me look 17:12:36 <ProZone> <V453000> industries behave the same, but there are only some industries in each economy 17:12:46 <ProZone> <V453000> well obviously port has varying behaviour 17:14:36 <ProZone> <Jam35> yes this looks very interesting actually 17:14:55 <ProZone> <Jam35> can't wait to see what you come up with lol :) 17:15:22 <ProZone> <V453000> well point is that technically 2. and 3. could probably me combined 17:15:48 <ProZone> <V453000> with some pf trap 17:16:10 <ProZone> <V453000> and an order to slow down TL2 chameleons because they are faster than TL4.5 17:16:22 <ProZone> <Jam35> yes the complexity would be higher i guess 17:16:29 <ProZone> <V453000> prozone :P 17:16:35 <ProZone> <V453000> well not really 17:16:41 <ProZone> <V453000> in fact it would be less of a mess 17:16:49 <ProZone> <V453000> having 2 monorail networks is confusing 17:17:03 <ProZone> <Jam35> more mess yes harder to build 17:17:05 <ProZone> <V453000> but only chameleons can get the right amount of cargo I think :) 17:17:15 <ProZone> <V453000> probably some combination of rail wagons could reach it too 17:18:02 <ProZone> <V453000> hmh 17:18:08 <ProZone> <V453000> actually quite easily with TL4 17:18:26 <ProZone> <V453000> but ugly to mix wagons 17:18:36 <ProZone> <V453000> also newbridges and monorail ftw 17:18:36 <ProZone> <V453000> so ye 17:19:14 <ProZone> <V453000> idk if harder to build, the logic is the same 17:19:26 <ProZone> <V453000> you just connect all to one rail instead of 2 17:20:00 <ProZone> <Jam35> I suppose but more to connect in the space 17:20:10 <ProZone> <V453000> should be alright 17:20:16 <ProZone> <V453000> creating a multi-split is possible 17:20:18 <ProZone> <V453000> like a SLH 17:20:40 <ProZone> <Jam35> mhm 17:21:32 <ProZone> <Jam35> well I say go for it then, :) 17:21:42 <ProZone> <V453000> wtf is go for it 17:21:45 <ProZone> <V453000> you dont want to build owat :d 17:22:03 <ProZone> <V453000> I dont need your approval for "go for itů 17:22:05 <ProZone> <V453000> -ú 17:22:20 <ProZone> <Jam35> don't ask the question then :) 17:22:55 <ProZone> <V453000> but of course, because it is not a question if you allow me to do this, it is a question if you want to participate in it 17:22:57 <ProZone> <V453000> big difference 17:23:20 <ProZone> <V453000> and eventually say ideas on what could be done differently/better 17:23:22 <ProZone> <Jam35> i see :) 17:23:32 <ProZone> <Jam35> well I wouldn't mind trying 17:23:46 <ProZone> <V453000> well the maglev network is simple 17:23:50 <ProZone> <V453000> that is just normal cargo network 17:23:57 <ProZone> <Jam35> at least for as long as the PC holds up 17:24:03 <ProZone> <Jam35> that I can cope with 17:24:03 <ProZone> <V453000> monorail is srnw stuff but that isnt too terribly tough either 17:24:33 <ProZone> <Jam35> I get the logic, just haven't built 17:24:35 <ProZone> <V453000> well lets start with L_R ring around the edges 17:24:41 <ProZone> <V453000> and connect some primaries 17:24:55 <ProZone> <V453000> something like 5 tiles from the edge, not much 17:25:01 <ProZone> <Jam35> 2 minutes and right with you 17:25:03 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 17:25:05 <ProZone> <Jam35> 1 17:26:04 <ProZone> *** Jam35 has joined company #1 17:27:18 <ProZone> <V453000> TL5 CL3 17:27:21 <ProZone> <V453000> but I guess you know that 17:27:37 <ProZone> <Jam35> a reminder was good :) 17:30:48 <ProZone> <V453000> yayz 17:32:04 <ProZone> <V453000> steel mill in bottom right 17:35:22 <ProZone> <Jam35> so 11 drops approx how many hubs? 17:35:28 <ProZone> <V453000> any 17:35:34 <ProZone> <V453000> doesnt matter 17:35:49 <ProZone> <V453000> just connect stuff 17:40:46 <ProZone> <V453000> why double bridges ;) 17:41:02 <ProZone> <Jam35> I know 17:41:16 <ProZone> <V453000> dont overdo it :) 17:41:22 <ProZone> <V453000> just build as much as we need right now 17:41:40 <ProZone> <Jam35> ok 17:43:18 <ProZone> <V453000> hm I forgot to add chips :> later 17:43:55 *** TWerkhoven has joined #openttdcoop.pro 17:46:38 <ProZone> <V453000> take it here :D 17:47:00 <ProZone> <V453000> no need for the braking space btw 17:47:24 <ProZone> <Jam35> okies 17:47:42 <ProZone> <V453000> it is just one tile, but why would you build it if you dont need it :) 17:53:34 <ProZone> <V453000> can connect animals too btw 17:53:48 <ProZone> <Jam35> yep jus lokoking at that 17:53:54 <ProZone> <Jam35> *looking 17:54:04 <ProZone> <Jam35> lokoking is nice tho 17:54:04 <ProZone> <V453000> understood regardless 17:56:30 <ProZone> <V453000> same for milk now 17:56:53 <ProZone> <Jam35> ok 18:01:33 <ProZone> <V453000> +fruit 18:02:44 <ProZone> <Jam35> I'm slow gimme a chance :) 18:02:54 <ProZone> <V453000> no hurry :) 18:03:24 <ProZone> <Jam35> can you slow down so I don't look so bad? 18:03:38 <ProZone> <V453000> .. since when is good or bad measured in speed 18:04:13 <ProZone> <Jam35> hm you got me :) 18:04:43 <ProZone> <V453000> k all primary drops are ready 18:05:06 <ProZone> <Jam35> take your time 18:05:08 <ProZone> <Jam35> :) 18:05:22 <ProZone> <V453000> I will take care of beer now 18:05:26 <ProZone> <V453000> and metal 18:05:32 <ProZone> <V453000> which is actually exactly what im doing right now 18:05:38 <ProZone> <Jam35> right :) 18:07:24 <ProZone> <Jam35> so it's okay to use the drop station hubs for primaries? 18:07:34 <ProZone> <V453000> those are hubs, not hubs for primaries :P 18:07:44 <ProZone> <Jam35> sure thing boss 18:13:33 <ProZone> <Jam35> all I see is farms 18:13:40 <ProZone> <V453000> firs shit 18:13:46 <ProZone> <V453000> just nuke the ones you dislike 18:13:54 <ProZone> <Jam35> nice 18:14:24 <ProZone> <Jam35> V45300: future politician 18:14:27 <ProZone> <V453000> XD 18:14:41 <ProZone> <V453000> nuke the idiots! vote V 18:14:51 <ProZone> <Jam35> lol 18:15:41 <ProZone> <V453000> you can order nuking at president secretary, call anytime 24/7 18:17:25 <ProZone> <Jam35> 08000-NUKES 18:17:51 <ProZone> <V453000> would certainly get more calls than charity 18:18:35 <ProZone> <Jam35> indeed :) 18:26:34 <ProZone> <V453000> we got no booze 18:26:40 <ProZone> <V453000> game over 18:26:46 <ProZone> <V453000> oh we do 18:26:46 <ProZone> <Jam35> :) 18:26:48 <ProZone> <V453000> phew 18:26:50 <ProZone> <Jam35> why? 18:27:22 <ProZone> <V453000> openttd crashes if you dont have alcohol transported 18:27:29 <ProZone> <V453000> new feature 18:27:33 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop.pro 18:28:07 <ProZone> <Jam35> it's a good one 18:30:01 <ProZone> <Jam35> MS? 18:30:05 <ProZone> <V453000> major shit 18:30:15 <ProZone> <V453000> also known as manufacturing supplies 18:30:18 <ProZone> <Jam35> amongst others :) 18:30:25 <ProZone> <V453000> :D 18:31:17 <ProZone> <Jam35> I mean where ? sorry 18:31:23 <ProZone> <V453000> o 18:31:29 <ProZone> <V453000> well that is produced by something later 18:31:35 <ProZone> <V453000> and delivered among food producing things 18:33:13 <ProZone> <Jam35> you have them in this network so any trick to their distribution? 18:33:35 <ProZone> <Jam35> i mean a full tl5 load and so on 18:33:45 <ProZone> <V453000> no just by orders 18:33:51 <ProZone> <V453000> we will probably have a lot of MS anyway 18:34:05 <ProZone> <V453000> so the few drops should be easy to handle with a-b-c-d orders 18:34:11 <ProZone> <Jam35> oka 18:34:18 <ProZone> <Jam35> but not yet? 18:34:49 <ProZone> <V453000> well we technically could as metal workshop makes those 18:34:51 <ProZone> <V453000> glass works too 18:34:57 <ProZone> <V453000> ye ok 18:35:15 <ProZone> <Jam35> where is the glass? 18:35:22 <ProZone> <V453000> sand drop 18:35:25 <ProZone> <V453000> Grinningwell Woods 18:35:39 <ProZone> <Jam35> got it 18:36:41 <Maraxus> !password 18:36:41 <ProZone> Maraxus: belied 18:36:57 <ProZone> *** Maraxus joined the game 18:37:01 <ProZone> <Jam35> ah they only go to secondaries :) 18:37:01 <ProZone> <V453000> hi :) 18:37:04 <ProZone> <Jam35> hi 18:37:06 <ProZone> <Maraxus> hi :) 18:37:17 <ProZone> <V453000> yes, to brewery, dairy and livestock slaughterhouse of brutality 18:37:20 <ProZone> <Jam35> my bad 18:37:44 <ProZone> <Jam35> ok makes more sense now 18:37:58 <ProZone> <V453000> what we can do for now to make it even more effective is transfer at all 3 drops 18:38:10 <ProZone> <V453000> and then make a timed train which arrives only once per month with 1 wagon 18:38:13 <ProZone> <V453000> we can always remove that train later 18:38:19 <ProZone> <Jam35> yep 18:38:25 <ProZone> <V453000> hm nah worthless effort 18:38:29 <ProZone> <V453000> we arent using the food ye anyway 18:38:32 <ProZone> <Jam35> yep 18:38:35 <ProZone> <Jam35> :) 18:38:38 <ProZone> <V453000> and by the time we use it there will be enough ms anyway 18:38:54 <ProZone> <Jam35> yep? 18:41:16 <ProZone> <V453000> NO: 18:41:18 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 18:41:48 <ProZone> <Jam35> I gotta do some stuff 18:41:54 <ProZone> <Jam35> will be bak 18:42:00 <ProZone> <V453000> yes, you gotta build trains 18:42:00 <ProZone> <V453000> . 18:42:03 <ProZone> <Jam35> that too 18:42:09 <ProZone> <V453000> later :) 18:42:12 <ProZone> <Jam35> but must be later 18:42:22 <ProZone> <Jam35> say...1/2 hr or so 18:42:41 <ProZone> <Jam35> Maraxus is here now :) 18:42:59 <ProZone> <V453000> :D 18:43:07 <ProZone> <Jam35> brb 18:43:17 <ProZone> <V453000> he is reading plan or went afk to report me to nuthouse :P 18:43:31 <ProZone> <Maraxus> reading and reading and reading and... 18:44:53 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 18:52:15 *** zxbiohazardzx has joined #openttdcoop.pro 18:52:25 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop.pro 18:52:48 <tycoondemon> !password 18:52:48 <ProZone> tycoondemon: rodeos 18:53:26 <tycoondemon> !version 18:53:26 <ProZone> tycoondemon: Autopilot AP+ 4.0 Beta (r98+.2f60dc8a1b7c+) 18:53:33 <tycoondemon> !dl 18:53:33 <ProZone> tycoondemon: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x 18:53:36 <tycoondemon> !game 18:53:44 <V453000> same as ps 18:53:53 <V453000> !ip 18:53:53 <ProZone> V453000: pz.openttdcoop.org:3982 18:53:54 <zxbiohazardzx> k 18:54:08 <tycoondemon> ow, well my openttd auto update doesnt work 18:54:19 <ProZone> <V453000> yeah I think it is broken with pz 18:54:25 <tycoondemon> hmmm 18:54:29 <zxbiohazardzx> !pass 18:54:31 <tycoondemon> !dl win64 18:54:31 <ProZone> tycoondemon: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r25244/openttd-trunk-r25244-windows-win64.zip 18:54:36 <zxbiohazardzx> !password 18:54:36 <ProZone> zxbiohazardzx: rodeos 18:54:56 <ProZone> *** ZxBiohazardZx joined the game 18:55:01 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> sooo 18:55:03 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> pz game 18:55:46 <ProZone> *** tycoondemon joined the game 18:56:18 <tycoondemon> chat doest work? 18:56:24 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> does 18:56:24 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I am not pro yet 18:56:26 <ProZone> <V453000> :d ? 18:56:33 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it missed mylast chat 18:56:35 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> so im reading the plan.... 18:56:50 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> SRNW? 18:57:00 <ProZone> <V453000> sort of 18:57:11 <ProZone> <V453000> more like regulated multidrop than srnw 18:57:13 <ProZone> <V453000> but ye 18:57:15 <ProZone> <V453000> just read the plan 18:57:17 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> mindblowing :) loving it already 18:57:38 <zxbiohazardzx> just hate im on a laptop and not at home :( 18:58:53 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so 18:59:00 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this game allready is started for? 18:59:15 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> usually is 18:59:25 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> im still readin tha plan 18:59:32 <ProZone> <V453000> does it look not started or? :D 18:59:32 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> firs is a biatch imo\ 18:59:42 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> real fun to play 18:59:45 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> just challenging to balance 19:01:11 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@ES 19:01:14 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@FS 19:01:15 <Webster> ProZone: (fs <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "webpage [concat http://bugs.openttd.org/task/ ]". 19:01:29 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> ES: Engineering Supplies 19:01:35 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> FS: Fertilizer Supplies 19:01:38 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess 19:01:45 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> given the contect 19:01:47 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok I guessed it right :P 19:02:21 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> srnw rings :( 19:02:27 <ProZone> <V453000> well if you look above trains which have cargo labels above them ... :) 19:02:49 <ProZone> <V453000> wtf is wrong with a srnw ring 19:03:12 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> well to start i never made a srnw yet 19:03:14 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> :P 19:03:28 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @srnw 19:03:34 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@SRNW 19:03:34 <Webster> srnw: Self-regulating Network, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/SRNW 19:03:36 <V453000> @srnw 19:03:37 <Webster> srnw: Self-regulating Network, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/SRNW 19:03:38 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> self regulating network 19:03:41 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I hate acronims 19:03:47 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> get used to it 19:03:57 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> trying 19:04:09 <ProZone> <V453000> if you use it a lot it becomes a word really 19:04:28 <ProZone> <Jam35> but can you pronounce it? 19:04:32 <ProZone> <Jam35> bk :) 19:04:42 <ProZone> <V453000> no, in case of srnw I just pronounce self regulation :) 19:06:08 <zxbiohazardzx> snrw just pronounce the letters, works for me 19:06:14 <zxbiohazardzx> brb, afk, snrw 19:06:15 <zxbiohazardzx> :P 19:06:18 *** Ryton_ has joined #openttdcoop.pro 19:06:18 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont see any srnw 19:06:26 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> ports to outer ring ? 19:06:43 <Ryton_> !password 19:06:43 <ProZone> Ryton_: boyish 19:06:52 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> nvm 19:06:58 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> 2.productes :P 19:07:17 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> thats strange as its also put under 1 :P 19:07:24 <Ryton_> !password 19:07:24 <ProZone> Ryton_: boyish 19:07:52 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> jam @ gedingwell woods/farm 19:08:18 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 19:08:25 <ProZone> <Jam35> good one V 19:08:27 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> fixed 19:08:29 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> temp 19:08:44 <ProZone> <V453000> how is that temp and not final 19:08:54 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> meh whatev 19:09:00 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> like so;) 19:09:03 <ProZone> <Jam35> unrelated question: 19:09:10 <ProZone> <V453000> no 19:09:25 <ProZone> <V453000> unrelated answer 19:09:31 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> so chems from ports -> to primairy ring? 19:09:33 <ProZone> <Jam35> if a dummy train continually drops and picks up, with no extra supplies 19:09:40 <ProZone> <Jam35> ...does the cargo decay? 19:10:02 <ProZone> <V453000> I think it would but I dont know 19:10:12 <ProZone> <V453000> well we need the ports first 19:10:18 <ProZone> <V453000> so chemicals will have to wait 19:10:18 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@pftraps 19:10:35 <V453000> @wiki pf-trap 19:10:36 <Webster> Search - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=pf-trap 19:11:03 *** Ryton2 has joined #openttdcoop.pro 19:11:09 <Ryton2> !dl win64 19:11:09 <ProZone> Ryton2: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r25244/openttd-trunk-r25244-windows-win64.zip 19:11:11 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Two-way-Signals as mentioned in the beginning of http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Self-regulating_Network 19:11:16 <Ryton2> autoupdate faillure :'( 19:11:23 <V453000> do it manually 19:11:49 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> its pathfinder trap 19:12:31 <tycoondemon> this I know 19:12:32 <Ryton_> !password 19:12:32 <ProZone> Ryton_: thumps 19:12:40 <tycoondemon> I also recognize the term from long ago 19:12:46 <ProZone> *** Ryton joined the game 19:12:53 <tycoondemon> but I dont know how it exactly works 19:12:54 <ProZone> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 19:12:56 <ProZone> <Ryton> now THATs a network plna :D 19:12:59 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 19:13:02 <ProZone> <V453000> plna indeed 19:13:14 <ProZone> <Ryton> Firs is always good 19:13:16 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well the e 19:13:30 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> exiting part is now done; reading the plan 19:13:30 <ProZone> <Ryton> I understand now that you cannot summarize that on PS 19:13:32 <ProZone> <V453000> firs is only good when you have some new idea 19:13:43 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> whats the CL on outer? 19:13:49 <ProZone> <V453000> 3 19:13:55 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> k 19:14:01 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so why are there allready trains? 19:14:16 <ProZone> <Ryton> trainyard 19:14:22 <ProZone> <V453000> primary trains, you nee to start with those ofc as other products depend on them 19:16:00 <ProZone> <Ryton> sounds fun 19:16:53 <ProZone> <Ryton> btw, all MONO stations 19:17:19 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> we need a mono station at each primary 19:17:25 <ProZone> <Ryton> exept for the secondary drop I guess? 19:17:32 <ProZone> <V453000> for now we need to make ports 19:17:34 <ProZone> <V453000> primaries 19:17:36 <ProZone> <V453000> later 19:17:36 <ProZone> <Ryton> k 19:18:06 <ProZone> <V453000> also establishing pf traps 19:18:08 <ProZone> <V453000> etc 19:18:34 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this is too pro for me, I dont know what to do 19:18:44 <ProZone> <V453000> you can connect some primaries to the maglev network 19:18:50 <ProZone> <V453000> but not brutally many :P 19:20:05 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> not many primaries left 19:22:26 <ProZone> <Ryton> does it make sense to mark the drop sites? 19:22:40 <ProZone> <Ryton> sicne there is only 1 drop per primary cargo atm? 19:22:43 <ProZone> <V453000> meh 19:22:46 <ProZone> <Ryton> or is that wrong? 19:22:48 <ProZone> <Ryton> :p 19:22:55 <ProZone> <V453000> mark you mean name stations sensibly? 19:22:57 <ProZone> <V453000> that cant hurt 19:23:03 <ProZone> <Ryton> yeah, or put a sign 19:23:05 <ProZone> <Ryton> either way 19:23:19 <Mazur> V453000, in the Two-Way signal page, am I missing something or does the oveflow miss an exit towards te platform? 19:23:30 <ProZone> <V453000> just name the stations :) 19:23:46 <V453000> idk I didnt write the page :D 19:23:47 <V453000> lets see 19:24:15 <V453000> :D ok noob Vinnie stuff 19:24:16 <V453000> :P 19:24:27 <ProZone> <V453000> yes ofc it is missing :) 19:24:46 <Mazur> It would also only exit towards the first platform in that position. 19:24:50 <ProZone> <V453000> yes 19:25:22 <Mazur> Hah, my long absense has not _completely_ dulled my openttd kno0wledge. 19:25:28 <ProZone> <V453000> :D 19:25:50 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I have no time to play tonight:S 19:25:53 <ProZone> <Ryton> clay drop => to a port, or to a central drop from where you deliver to many ports? 19:25:59 <ProZone> <Ryton> to central drop I guess? 19:26:05 <ProZone> <V453000> directly to port 19:26:07 <ProZone> <Ryton> kk 19:26:09 <ProZone> <Ryton> just one then? 19:26:12 <ProZone> <V453000> no, all of them 19:26:15 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> clay -> port via the 2ndairy net according to plan 19:26:17 <ProZone> <V453000> it has only load command 19:26:19 <ProZone> <Ryton> hmm, clay is a secondary 19:26:19 <ProZone> <Ryton> k 19:26:25 <ProZone> <Ryton> mssed that :-) 19:26:27 <ProZone> <Ryton> sorry 19:26:29 <ProZone> <V453000> iz alright 19:26:47 <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> got to go :( 19:26:50 <ProZone> *** ZxBiohazardZx has left the game (leaving) 19:27:55 <zxbiohazardzx> hate :) 19:27:59 *** zxbiohazardzx has quit IRC 19:41:12 *** Ryton_ has quit IRC 19:43:13 <ProZone> <V453000> yayz :D 19:43:17 <ProZone> <V453000> first goods dropped at port 19:53:25 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like the booze station 19:54:44 *** ODM has quit IRC 19:59:50 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> piggies makes complicated station 20:00:16 <ProZone> <Ryton> simple is possibletoo 20:00:19 <ProZone> <Ryton> but complex is more fun 20:00:50 <ProZone> <Ryton> btw, how expandable should the ML be? 20:00:56 <ProZone> <Ryton> the primary one? :p 20:01:06 <ProZone> <Ryton> very, or only a bit? 20:01:32 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it is allready inpassible 20:01:39 <ProZone> <Ryton> you can always work around it 20:01:45 <ProZone> <Ryton> or remove the primary station 20:02:07 <ProZone> <Ryton> V said: not too many primaries :pp 20:02:29 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> more primaries is more trouble for supplies :P 20:03:16 <ProZone> <Maraxus> gn 20:03:22 <ProZone> <Ryton> cya 20:03:25 <ProZone> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 20:03:32 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 20:04:18 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I gonna repay our lone 20:04:29 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it is to heavy a burden otherwise QE 20:08:11 <ProZone> <Ryton> i'm off too 20:08:13 <ProZone> <Ryton> cya 20:08:19 <ProZone> <Jam35> bb 20:08:21 <ProZone> *** Ryton has left the game (leaving) 20:08:29 <ProZone> <V453000> bai 20:08:39 *** Ryton2 has quit IRC 20:10:59 <ProZone> <V453000> the cargo would have decayed by now already btw 20:11:11 <ProZone> <Jam35> would have? 20:11:13 <ProZone> <V453000> it just unloads and loads it too quickly I think 20:11:19 <ProZone> <V453000> so it wont decay this way 20:11:21 <ProZone> <Jam35> ah 20:11:43 <ProZone> <V453000> also I think some cargoes dont decay 20:11:57 <ProZone> <V453000> e.g. mineral cargoes 20:11:57 <ProZone> <Jam35> maybe that much cargo is enough for my idea 20:11:59 <ProZone> <V453000> for example food might 20:12:07 <ProZone> <Jam35> not really used as a cargo 20:12:18 <ProZone> <Jam35> just as a decision 20:12:28 <ProZone> <Jam35> based on the amount 20:12:42 <ProZone> <V453000> ? 20:12:53 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what cargo is decaying? 20:14:04 <ProZone> <Jam35> was thinking whether putting x cargo on platforms could be used to make trains decide what to do 20:14:19 <ProZone> <Jam35> for example what cargo to refit to or whatever 20:14:22 <ProZone> <V453000> I cant see an application but hm 20:15:04 <ProZone> <Jam35> so if it loaded one crate means it it somewhere to refit to x 20:15:14 <ProZone> <Jam35> or something equally bizarre 20:15:22 <ProZone> <V453000> I see 20:15:36 <ProZone> <V453000> but why do you test decaying 20:15:42 <ProZone> <V453000> you can keep the cargo on trains all the time 20:15:50 <ProZone> <Jam35> well it would break if the amount was not right over time 20:16:01 <ProZone> <V453000> you can unload the cargo at that moment 20:16:05 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> i should decay on trains too 20:16:11 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that would be fair 20:16:25 <ProZone> <Jam35> even better :) 20:17:20 <ProZone> <V453000> omfg I am so retarded 20:17:22 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> now I get the pathfinder trap 20:17:24 <ProZone> <V453000> we only need 1 pf trap 20:17:40 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the only way to get back to the load station is via the other type rail 20:17:46 <ProZone> <V453000> yes 20:17:49 <ProZone> <V453000> exactly 20:18:05 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and it goes too a free rail, at a station 20:18:15 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> where it has to wait for the logic timer 20:18:15 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> etc 20:18:21 <ProZone> <V453000> yep 20:18:23 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> eureka! 20:18:30 <ProZone> <V453000> see, you arent as retarded as Jam35 20:18:52 <ProZone> <Jam35> ... 20:18:55 <ProZone> <V453000> :> 20:18:58 <ProZone> <V453000> war 20:19:04 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> FIGHT 20:19:07 <ProZone> <Jam35> expect nukes 20:19:17 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> bare fists only! 20:19:24 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> or snorty remarks 20:19:26 <ProZone> <V453000> rails only 20:19:32 <ProZone> <Jam35> you win 20:19:34 <ProZone> <V453000> :( 20:19:44 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> no challange for V 20:19:58 <ProZone> <Jam35> that's his weapon of choice 20:20:16 <ProZone> <Jam35> i decline challenge 20:20:31 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like this game better now that I understand it :P 20:20:37 <ProZone> <V453000> .) 20:21:15 <ProZone> <V453000> hm I should make the pf trap more systematically 20:21:23 <ProZone> <V453000> or 20:21:26 <ProZone> <V453000> hm yeah 20:21:28 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> they are chaos 20:21:32 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but work 20:21:42 <ProZone> <V453000> not for long 20:21:46 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> If I would have made, I would make them all the same 20:22:04 <ProZone> <V453000> the problem will be that trains will start prefering some stations and ignore others 20:22:04 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> like I want all station names to be consistant 20:22:26 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I can understand why 20:22:44 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> long pathfinder does not take red signals in to account? 20:23:06 <ProZone> <V453000> that too but the real issue is that another path would simply be shorter 20:23:08 <ProZone> <V453000> but yes 20:23:26 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I would say: 20:23:32 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that when the trains goes round 20:23:47 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it re finds its shortest path from where it is? 20:23:55 <ProZone> <V453000> +- 20:24:01 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and that would not alsway be via some place 20:24:03 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:24:56 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so you just have to make all the paths from any point on the circle not longer then the next station 20:24:58 <ProZone> <V453000> either way the solution should be a reverse direction ring 20:25:08 <ProZone> <V453000> yes 20:25:38 <ProZone> <V453000> if the train is always returning back to the station, it will attempt to return asap 20:27:06 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> or oll paths from the load station to the point of the connection to the ring at the dropstation 20:27:20 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> should be as long as each other 20:27:43 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and or differ not more that the distance between any drop station on the circle 20:27:50 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> thats what I would think 20:28:20 <ProZone> <V453000> what I normally do is !that 20:29:27 <ProZone> <V453000> I think this should work as I expect it to 20:29:29 <ProZone> <V453000> but lets see 20:29:31 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes but then make it a circle, it would be an endless track of next trap is shortest 20:29:45 <ProZone> <V453000> probably 20:30:07 <ProZone> <V453000> yeah it should 20:31:13 <ProZone> <V453000> 2 ports and 2 secondaries done :) 20:31:18 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :) 20:34:14 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> check !that V 20:34:33 <ProZone> <V453000> yes, the previous version 20:34:36 <ProZone> <V453000> now we have ring 20:35:59 <ProZone> <V453000> if I see it right, at any point anywhere the train should want to join the ring asap 20:36:14 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is indeed true I think 20:37:18 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> is this pathfinder thingy a bug or feature? :P 20:37:29 <ProZone> <V453000> which part of it 20:37:31 <ProZone> <V453000> 2way signals? 20:37:41 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> different rail type 20:37:51 <ProZone> <V453000> it is universal rail 20:38:17 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so It wont work on different rail then 20:38:33 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its only for making clear the difference 20:38:43 <ProZone> <V453000> to say it correctly, it will work for any combination of 2 compatible rail types 20:38:53 <ProZone> <V453000> compatibly rail types is a newgrv value 20:38:55 <ProZone> <V453000> newgrf 20:39:03 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> h 20:39:05 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmm 20:39:23 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I only noticed the to way signal now 20:39:42 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and it solved the proble I was having about what would happen when you would use the same rail 20:40:00 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but is was never a problem, just a mis understanding 20:40:02 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :P 20:40:08 <ProZone> <V453000> :) 20:40:24 <ProZone> <V453000> if you use a combination of X + univrail at pf trap, it breaks actually :P 20:40:55 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what do you mean by that? 20:41:31 <ProZone> <V453000> the diverting of traffic can break 20:41:46 <tycoondemon> yes on what condition 20:42:04 <ProZone> <V453000> that the pf trap consists of a bad combination of univ rail and another track type 20:42:14 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> you mean you use actual two different (incompatible) rail types? 20:42:20 <ProZone> <V453000> compatible 20:42:22 <ProZone> <V453000> it is a bug 20:42:36 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so it wont work without universal rail 20:42:50 <ProZone> <V453000> uhfmfff 20:43:10 <ProZone> <V453000> if you use One rail type (univ rail, rail, mglv, mono, any rail type, One of them) 20:43:13 <ProZone> <V453000> it cant ever break 20:43:21 <ProZone> <V453000> if you combine two compatible railtypes, it can 20:44:15 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and compatible rail are universal with any other (one) rail type 20:44:29 <ProZone> <V453000> well the ones we have currently at least 20:44:36 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok 20:44:38 <ProZone> <V453000> it probably isnt compatible with rail types defined by other newGRFs 20:44:40 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> then I understand 20:48:23 <ProZone> <V453000> hm, coloured univrail would be handy in this game 20:48:35 <ProZone> <V453000> will make that newGRF sooner or later :) 20:49:21 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> maybe an overall grf for custom rail colering 20:49:27 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> would be cooler still 20:49:34 <ProZone> <V453000> ? 20:49:52 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> a newgrf that lets you color any track 20:49:58 <ProZone> <V453000> cant do 20:51:57 <tycoondemon> I must say you keep coming up with good plans V 20:52:05 <ProZone> <V453000> hm :) 20:52:11 <ProZone> <V453000> thanks I guess 20:52:39 <tycoondemon> any time I checked a voting bord, allways your plan sticks out for me 20:52:48 <tycoondemon> not that I played much, but still 20:53:18 <ProZone> <V453000> well it usually is weird in one way or another :P 20:53:29 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is true 20:53:39 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and weird mostly is interesting 20:53:53 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> mostly usually 20:54:03 <ProZone> <V453000> :D 20:54:34 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so now a srnw for the supplies 20:55:44 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I have to go 20:55:51 <ProZone> <V453000> next time :) 20:55:57 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> indeed 20:56:07 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> interesting revelations tonight 20:56:10 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> tnx for that 20:56:13 <ProZone> <tycoondemon> bb 20:56:18 <ProZone> <V453000> you are welcome 20:56:20 <ProZone> <V453000> see you 20:56:27 <ProZone> *** tycoondemon has left the game (leaving) 20:57:51 <ProZone> <Jam35> are you building? 20:57:57 <ProZone> <V453000> just finished first ES connection 20:58:11 <ProZone> <Jam35> sorry not been much help and have to go 20:58:25 <ProZone> <V453000> dont say that :) you can always catch up on that :P 20:58:41 <ProZone> <Jam35> just haven't built much 20:58:52 <ProZone> <V453000> other people didnt even join :) 20:58:59 <ProZone> <Jam35> fair enuf :) 20:59:13 <ProZone> <Jam35> anyways gn 20:59:19 <ProZone> <V453000> byez 20:59:21 <ProZone> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 20:59:26 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 21:05:48 <ProZone> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 21:05:48 <ProZone> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:11:45 *** test has joined #openttdcoop.pro 21:11:53 <test> !dl lin64 21:11:53 <ProZone> test: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r25244/openttd-trunk-r25244-linux-generic-amd64.tar.xz 21:12:08 <test> !dl 21:12:08 <ProZone> test: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x 21:12:26 *** test has quit IRC 21:13:44 <V453000> webster ban test :) 21:13:58 <V453000> :)