Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 6th June 2010:
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07:45:26  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> hello
07:45:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> yo
07:46:43  <Stablean> <learningottd> i agree. should start new game :)
07:46:53  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> sign in the list
07:46:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> did
07:51:53  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ur systen is strange
07:52:03  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> passngers+cargo in one network
07:52:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> i know. its a big mess :p
07:52:11  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> huge mess
07:52:31  <Stablean> <learningottd> trying to find out how busy i can make a network :)
07:52:56  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> V should know how to split trains
07:52:58  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i mean
07:53:04  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> double lane
07:53:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup
07:53:44  <Stablean> <learningottd> its gotten a little better now. not that jammed.
07:54:06  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> that cary invedingham station
07:54:12  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> cant cope with the trains
07:54:26  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> because of that pasenger+cargo
07:54:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> V made it. dont dare trying to expand it :p
07:54:47  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i just think that
07:54:53  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u could seperate those stations
07:55:01  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> make  for cargo
07:55:07  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and 1 for passengers
07:55:13  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> but it takes hell lot of work
07:55:20  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> with orders
08:00:11  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> btw
08:00:17  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ur ratings piss me off
08:00:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> how come? :p
08:00:32  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u see
08:00:47  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> we have 2 or three oil rigs
08:00:53  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wells*
08:00:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> k
08:01:01  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and mine rating is like 70%+
08:01:07  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ur 50-
08:01:14  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and they doesnt grow
08:01:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm which ones?
08:01:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> think henri added oil
08:01:57  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> #63
08:02:43  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm
08:02:49  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and 1 more
08:03:09  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> frinfighill city sidings
08:04:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> can you make a sign? :p
08:04:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> i just dont find it
08:04:15  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ive checked the staions
08:04:21  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and i dont see oil in them
08:04:25  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i mean oil trains
08:04:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> i dont think i transport oil at all :p
08:04:39  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> so my bad i guess
08:04:43  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> yes
08:04:46  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u have ships xd
08:05:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> aaah lol
08:06:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> cool ships
08:06:25  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wow
08:06:28  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> they make profit
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09:32:19  <Stablean> <Henri> woot its still here:P
09:37:15  <Stablean> <Henri> any admin online?
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10:31:54  <Stablean> <V453000> fawk
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10:32:16  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf
10:32:22  <Stablean> <*> lol
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10:33:56  <Stablean> <V453000> just wtf!
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10:34:51  <V453000> Ammler?
10:35:12  <Ammler> V453000: !
10:35:13  <V453000> I !getsave d from blog upload and it loads the starting screen :(
10:35:27  <Ammler> with newgrfs?
10:35:29  <V453000> yes
10:35:31  <Ammler> !content
10:35:45  <V453000> well it is the menu screen
10:35:48  <V453000> so there isn any
10:35:56  <V453000> loaded atm
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10:40:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> lulz
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10:41:12  <V453000> oh :D
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10:41:38  <V453000> hi :)
10:41:41  <learningottd> heya
10:41:46  <learningottd> nice station you built :)
10:41:55  <V453000> im trying to load a game with a few grfs
10:42:01  <V453000> but it is somehow borkd so far
10:42:04  <V453000> hehe thx :)
10:42:06  <learningottd> keke ~~
10:42:08  <Ammler> sorry, was afk
10:42:18  <Ammler> not afk, but in other channel :-)
10:42:20  <V453000> :)
10:42:23  <planetmaker> V453000: if newgrfs are not found, loading fails and the title screen is loaded
10:42:25  <Ammler> now I am here
10:42:25  <V453000> damn devz :)
10:42:31  <V453000> thanks pm :)
10:42:32  <V453000> cool
10:42:46  <Ammler> you need to know, which grfs are missing?
10:42:57  <V453000> I suspect tropic refurbishment set
10:43:22  <Ammler> or does planetmaker already check?
10:44:52  <Ammler> V453000: bananas wasn't linked to stable
10:44:57  <Ammler> please try again
10:45:05  <V453000> ooh
10:45:29  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
10:45:42  <Ammler> blame, hmm, yes, planetmaker
10:45:44  <V453000> looks like the same result
10:46:12  <planetmaker> I don't take the blame here :-P
10:46:13  <Ammler> you didn't run !getsave here?
10:46:26  <Ammler> how is the save called?
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10:47:04  <V453000> I pmed it to you
10:47:18  <Ammler> [2010-06-06 12:47:02] dbg: [grf] NewGRF 44444040 (data\grf\troprs.grf) not found; checksum BF1E2C572046CF195FCB872624FEB494. Compatibility mode on
10:47:28  <V453000> hmm
10:47:30  <V453000> yea
10:47:46  <Ammler> ah, it needs restart
10:47:59  <Stablean> Server closed down by admin
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10:48:08  <V453000> worked
10:48:12  <V453000> wa :D
10:48:13  <V453000> ok
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10:48:23  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
10:48:23  <Stablean> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop Welcome Stable ('
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10:48:27  <V453000> :)
10:48:44  <Ammler> !rcon companies
10:48:44  <Stablean> Ammler: #:1(Red) Company Name: 'Brefingley Market Transport'  Year Founded: 1980  Money: 505814763  Loan: 100000  Value: 507221154  (T:10, R:13, P:9, S:3) unprotected
10:48:48  <Ammler> right?
10:49:03  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
10:49:12  <Ammler> !auto
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10:49:17  <Stablean> <V453000> WAAHAAA
10:49:29  <V453000> success
10:49:59  <V453000> was the issue the grf or did the restart help?
10:50:11  <Ammler> use commands which don't return a lot output in the channel
10:50:19  <Ammler> so others can see, what you did
10:50:33  <V453000> hm ok :)
10:50:41  <Ammler> planetmaker: is there a rescan command?
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10:51:02  <Ammler> V453000: openttd needed to rescan the bananas grfs
10:51:08  <V453000> the backlog of my attempts isnt shourt at all though :)
10:51:08  <V453000> ok
10:51:08  <V453000> ahh :)
10:51:16  <Ammler> is that possible without restart?
10:51:48  <Stablean> <V453000> have fun learningottd :) looking forward to see what you build this time :)
10:51:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> k this is the game? :p
10:52:01  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:52:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok cool
10:52:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> just one question though
10:52:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> a train with 9 wagons. how long should curves be?
10:52:27  <V453000> rcon auto
10:52:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> 4 or 5?
10:52:34  <V453000> depends on the wagons :p
10:52:42  <V453000> this set for example has short wagons
10:52:47  <V453000> use lengths in tiles
10:52:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki
10:53:03  <V453000> but overall rule is number of tiles = number of tiles for curve
10:53:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> tested out an electric train 160km with 9 wagons. did full speed with 4 tiles.
10:53:39  <V453000> exceptions are for example if you have endlessly long train that goes 160kmh, the 160kmh topspeed is for CL3
10:53:42  <V453000> yeah
10:53:58  <V453000> but for 251 kmh of the trains in this game, you will need full-length of a train
10:54:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah ok. so if i stick to electric trains cl3 is only needed?
10:54:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah ok
10:54:15  <V453000> if you use TL3 :)
10:54:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> think i might do that. easier to build with smaller cl
10:54:39  <V453000> TL5 isnt a bad idea with this set btw
10:54:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> use smaller wagons?
10:55:08  <V453000> there arent any other than smaller yet :)
10:55:16  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok :p
10:55:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> game is paused btw
10:55:27  <V453000> rcon auto
10:55:29  <V453000> !rcon auto
10:55:29  <Stablean> V453000: ERROR: command not found
10:55:34  <V453000> !rcon unpause
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10:55:39  <V453000> !auto
10:55:39  <Stablean> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
10:55:48  <Stablean> <V453000> seems ok
10:55:54  <Ammler> oh, we should update to 1.0.2
10:55:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> now its good :)
10:56:04  <Stablean> <V453000> is it out already? :)
10:56:06  <Stablean> <V453000> good
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10:56:14  <Ammler> well, not now
10:56:19  <V453000> :) ok
10:56:55  <V453000> learningottd: I recommend using 2 trains for TL3 ... you will get 120kmh diesels in ~1year
10:57:16  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki gonna try that
10:57:21  <V453000> these engines are short and you can stuff many wagons there :p
10:57:28  <Ammler> !screen
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10:57:34  <Ammler> !info
10:57:35  <Stablean> Ammler:
10:57:54  <V453000> oh and be careful
10:57:56  <V453000> about terraforming
10:57:57  <Ammler> V453000: did you configure BaseCosts?
10:57:59  <V453000> it costs a lot :)
10:58:02  <V453000> Ammler: yes
10:58:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya ^^
10:58:07  <Ammler> or did you use default
10:58:13  <Ammler> ah, it isn't preset
10:58:17  <V453000> I used your default
10:58:25  <V453000> the one on the wiki/basecosts
10:58:44  <V453000> normally I use a bit more extreme numbers :)
10:58:52  <V453000> but didnt want to kill these guys :)
10:58:55  <Ammler> there is a 2nd grf with already configured settings
10:58:59  <V453000> I know
10:58:59  <Ammler> BaseCosts Presets
10:59:09  <Ammler> you can use both at once
10:59:20  <V453000> I still find it a bit more ... reliable? to configure it so I know exactly what I am doing :)
10:59:31  <V453000> ooh
10:59:39  <V453000> well this works for now :)
10:59:42  <Ammler> hmm, not possible to see settings wihtout joining
10:59:50  <V453000> :)
11:00:43  <V453000> 21 12 57 8
11:00:44  <V453000> it is
11:00:58  <V453000> config for raise Terraform (x16), but keep foundations on default:  just like you exampled
11:01:18  <PeterT> what are we doing?
11:02:09  <V453000> PeterT: setting up some grfs :) its all fine already
11:02:18  <PeterT> ok cool
11:02:38  <PeterT> I just saw a lot of chat, not much game, so I thought something was wrogn
11:02:41  <PeterT> !newgrf
11:02:41  <Stablean> PeterT: this command can only be used in a private message
11:02:51  <V453000> !url
11:02:51  <Stablean> V453000:
11:02:53  <V453000> see there
11:02:59  <V453000> but you wont see the parameters :)
11:03:00  <PeterT> ok :-)
11:03:17  <PeterT> !screen
11:03:19  <Stablean> *** PeterT made screenshot at 00003540:
11:03:35  <Ammler> !newgrf is a bit useless, since we don't load the cfg
11:03:35  <Stablean> Ammler: this command can only be used in a private message
11:03:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> hooh gonna be a pain to build here :p
11:03:49  <Ammler> expensive TF?
11:03:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> very hilly also ^^
11:04:08  <V453000> I think it is mountainous /rough
11:04:17  <V453000> one of my favs :)
11:04:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> not gonna try LL_RR just yet -.-
11:04:37  <V453000> :)
11:04:49  <V453000> best is if you upgrade only when and where needed imo :)
11:04:50  <V453000> most fun
11:05:20  <V453000> I even ended with 9x L _ 9xR once with this method :D
11:05:37  <Stablean> <learningottd> cant see this happening with me. but we'll see :)
11:05:49  <V453000> well it seems like too much
11:05:58  <V453000> but you just play, play, play and then it happens itself :d
11:06:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhms
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11:34:16  <Stablean> <Henri> Hey!
11:34:32  <PeterT> hello
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11:38:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> yo
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11:53:51  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
11:53:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> yoyo
11:54:13  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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11:54:19  <Stablean> <V453000> just coming to have a look
11:54:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> not done much yet. so hard to build ^_^
11:54:29  <Stablean> <Henri> im atm not gonna build anything
11:54:43  <Stablean> <Henri> im atm on laptop, no mouse
11:54:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> what you meant with the trains v?
11:54:59  <Stablean> <Henri> why its hard to buuild?
11:55:02  <Stablean> <V453000> learningottd: these trains will hve really bad acceleration :)
11:55:10  <Stablean> <V453000> in time
11:55:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> i need 2locs per train?
11:55:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe it will do well
11:55:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> but the length is ok for cl3?
11:55:40  <Stablean> <V453000> depends how you want to play
11:55:44  <Stablean> <Henri> well those seem to have decent power
11:55:46  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have TL3
11:55:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> tl4 i want i guess
11:56:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> a step up from tl3 :)
11:56:06  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh multiplier is 3
11:56:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> tl5 is a little bit too heavy i think
11:56:10  <Stablean> <V453000> fine, nevermind :)
11:56:20  <Stablean> <V453000> TL4 ->CL4
11:56:26  <Stablean> <V453000> its as simple as that :p
11:56:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> you sure?
11:56:31  <Stablean> <V453000> of course :)
11:56:37  <Stablean> <learningottd> these trains do full speed with cl3
11:56:48  <Stablean> <V453000> yes because CL3 allows 160 kmh
11:56:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah ok
11:57:01  <Stablean> <V453000> when you reach over 160, they will slow down
11:57:07  <Stablean> <Henri> what u mean as cl and dl?
11:57:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> fine ok. i shuld build with cl4 then ^^
11:57:17  <Stablean> <V453000> as I said, this trainset has 251 top speed
11:57:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> for electric?
11:57:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> dont care much for mono or maglev
11:57:32  <Stablean> <V453000> and these engines dont have much power at all :)
11:57:35  <Stablean> <V453000> there is no mono nor maglev
11:57:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> nice :D
11:57:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> so with CL4 i should be ok then
11:57:59  <Stablean> <Henri> what u mean as cl:D?
11:58:03  <Stablean> <V453000> most trainsets dont have that, and afaik, no trainset has mono/maglev trains for cargoes, only goods/food/passengers/mail
11:58:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> henri, tl=train length, cl=curve length
11:58:21  <Stablean> <Henri> oh okay
11:58:27  <Stablean> <V453000> learningottd: this trainset has one engine that might interest you though
11:58:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok?
11:58:35  <Stablean> <V453000> 160 kmh and superior power
11:58:41  <Stablean> <V453000> coming in ~ 2011
11:58:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh long time :p
11:58:53  <Stablean> <V453000> for TL4 it is quite reasonable
11:59:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> but i guess i should try build with tl4
11:59:07  <Stablean> <V453000> well this trainset ends in 2041 ':p
11:59:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> hubs is a bitch though
11:59:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> oO
11:59:16  <Stablean> <V453000> TL4 CL3 is fine
11:59:28  <Stablean> <V453000> and im off :)
11:59:31  <Stablean> <V453000> I will check later
11:59:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> but only with 160km?
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11:59:42  <V453000> have fun :)
11:59:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke thanks
11:59:52  <Stablean> <Henri> :P i go eat now
11:59:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki henri
12:00:00  <Stablean> <Henri> ill come back later
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12:17:23  <planetmaker> should we update to 1.0.2-RC1?
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12:19:19  <Stablean> <Henri> k back now
12:19:41  <Stablean> <Henri> mate u here?
12:21:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> hey
12:21:42  <Stablean> <Henri> :P
12:21:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> had a smoke
12:21:48  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
12:21:56  <Stablean> <Henri> but well
12:21:59  <Stablean> <Henri> i g2g again lol
12:22:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke ^^
12:22:05  <Stablean> <Henri> my bro wants to computer :/
12:22:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki :p
12:22:19  <Stablean> <Henri> in few hours or so, ill come and start helpin
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12:22:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> aight cool
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12:36:38  <Stablean> <Henri> back just checking hows it going
12:36:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke
12:36:44  <Stablean> <Henri> im soo boored..
12:36:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> trying to add a sideline
12:38:12  <Stablean> <Henri> gonna go 4 lines today?
12:38:18  <Stablean> <learningottd> no not yet :)
12:38:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> but trying to build the mainline so it can be expanded
12:38:47  <Stablean> <Henri> oky
12:39:05  <Stablean> <Henri> but
12:39:16  <Stablean> <Henri> why nubby diesel trains instead of good steam?
12:39:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> i like them :)
12:39:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> and theyre only temporary
12:39:40  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
12:39:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> will change them all when better trains come ^^
12:42:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> aight. time to make a hub :)
12:42:20  <Stablean> <Henri> :)
12:42:32  <PeterT> planetmaker: I vote yes
12:42:44  <PeterT> after all, we are a testing server ;-)
12:43:34  <Ammler> I already voted ;-)
12:43:56  <Stablean> <Henri> atm ur building mainline right
12:44:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> yes
12:44:06  <PeterT> how Ammler?
12:44:08  <Stablean> <Henri> k
12:44:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> this is a sideline hub. to connect the farms i just built :)
12:44:37  <Stablean> <Henri> k
12:44:39  <Ammler> [12:55] <Ammler> oh, we should update to 1.0.2
12:45:05  <Stablean> <Henri> oh, yeh
12:45:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> :)
12:46:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> dont need to have it go both ways yet
12:46:21  <Stablean> <learningottd> so this sideline is only for trains going/coming south
12:49:12  <Stablean> <Henri> =D
12:49:41  <planetmaker> I didn't see that, Ammler :-)
12:49:53  <planetmaker> I guess we have a quorum ;-)
12:50:19  <planetmaker> 91% of the votes are cast :-P
12:50:45  <planetmaker> remind me this evening that I update
12:52:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm think you should make one station per goods
12:52:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> like a 2platform for livestock
12:52:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> and 2platform for grain
12:52:14  <Stablean> <Henri> oh, ok
12:52:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: i would wait until current is finished
12:52:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> easier to see where one should add trains ^^
12:52:55  <PeterT> lol Ammler :-)
12:53:02  <PeterT> @define quorum
12:53:08  <Ammler> current game*
12:53:29  <PeterT> @dict quorum
12:53:31  <Webster> PeterT: wn: quorum n : a gathering of the minimal number of members of an organization to conduct business
12:54:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> like i did st metchester now :p
12:54:30  <Stablean> <Henri> yh
12:54:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah yeah like that. nice :)
12:55:01  <Stablean> <Henri> low space
12:55:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm if you like we can remove the coal trains
12:55:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> they was only to make money early
12:55:39  <Stablean> <Henri> na, i like hard building
12:55:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> :)
12:55:47  <Stablean> <Henri> im slow, cause laptop mouse
12:55:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah i use laptop aswell ^^
12:56:22  <Stablean> <Henri> well im not used to laptop mouse at all
13:00:21  <Stablean> <Henri> wow finally finished..
13:00:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> gj :)
13:00:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> but uhm....
13:00:51  <Stablean> <learningottd> :p
13:01:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> if we use train with TL4
13:01:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> we need also curve length 4
13:01:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> but can fix that later :)
13:01:39  <Stablean> <Henri> um, but  wasnt it 3?
13:01:45  <Stablean> <Henri> like said before or smth?
13:01:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> if the max speed is 160
13:02:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> but later there will be electric trains with 240km something
13:02:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> but for sidelines i dont think thats important just now
13:02:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> it is easy to fix when we get those trains
13:02:34  <Stablean> <Henri> k
13:02:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> its more important to build mainlines with CL4
13:19:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> electric tracks looks much better than regular tracks
13:19:33  <Stablean> <Henri> i think normal looks better
13:19:41  <Stablean> <Henri> but electric is kinda ndded
13:19:43  <Stablean> <Henri> eeded
13:19:46  <Stablean> <Henri> neededÕ
13:19:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhms
13:25:13  <Stablean> <Henri> check farm drop station
13:25:28  <Stablean> <Henri> presignals make jammy there
13:25:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> factory you mean?
13:25:34  <Stablean> <Henri> one path signal would be much better
13:25:36  <Stablean> <Henri> yeh
13:25:39  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah they are only temporary :p
13:25:47  <Stablean> <Henri> fuck
13:25:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke again -._
13:25:55  <Stablean> <Henri> damn me
13:25:59  <Stablean> <Henri> sorry:D
13:26:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> np :p
13:26:11  <Stablean> <Henri> ill rebuild the trains
13:26:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> just try replace the ones that died :)
13:26:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> nice
13:27:20  <Stablean> <Henri> aww
13:27:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> what?
13:27:56  <Stablean> <Henri> i feel bad
13:27:58  <Stablean> <Henri> cause the crash
13:28:00  <Stablean> <Henri> ;D
13:28:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> its np :p
13:28:18  <Stablean> <Henri> k
13:32:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> going toilet brbz :)
13:32:12  <Stablean> <Henri> k
13:41:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> aight whats new?
13:42:06  <Stablean> <Henri> completed the mainline to coal drop
13:42:20  <Stablean> <Henri> and atm rebuilding the  3 coal mines station
13:42:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah
13:42:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> i need to fix the hub so they can go north also
13:46:47  <Stablean> <Henri> coal done
13:46:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki just send em to the plant
13:46:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> hub is done
13:47:03  <Stablean> <Henri> k
13:51:05  <Stablean> <Henri> like this all the splits
13:51:09  <Stablean> <Henri> then its random
13:51:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki
13:58:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> it got really big
13:58:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> but it works
13:59:26  <Stablean> <Henri> yh
14:01:05  <Stablean> <Henri> one extremely little problem
14:01:11  <Stablean> <learningottd> what?
14:01:11  <Stablean> <Henri> sign signal cant be put
14:01:21  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah
14:02:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok good now :)
14:02:39  <Stablean> <Henri> yp
14:05:03  <Stablean> <Henri> i g2g now
14:05:05  <Stablean> <Henri> cya
14:05:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> ohj ok
14:05:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> later
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16:01:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what idiot made this map?
16:02:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> not me!
16:02:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> (whats wrong with it?)
16:02:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> tropical refurbishment set
16:02:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> this is a temperate map
16:02:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so the trains are wank
16:02:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> :p
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17:04:55  <Ammler> !screen
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17:04:58  <Ammler> !url
17:04:58  <Stablean> Ammler:
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17:27:10  <V453000> Chris Booth: yeah the reason that it is named Tropic Refurbishment, it is acceptable only in tropic
17:27:13  <V453000> ...
17:28:21  <V453000> @dict wank
17:28:23  <Webster> V453000: wn: wank n : slang terms for masturbation [syn: {jacking off}, {jerking off}, {hand job}] v : get sexual gratification through self-stimulation [syn: {masturbate}, {fuck off}, {she-bop}, {jack off}, {jerk off}]
17:28:29  <V453000> lol
17:28:31  <PeterT> haha
17:28:32  <V453000> wtf
17:28:41  <V453000>  so the trains are wank
17:28:49  <V453000> cant say I understand this even with dict
17:28:55  <PeterT> lol
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17:30:33  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
17:30:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> heya
17:31:23  <Stablean> <V453000> how is it
17:31:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> its getting decent
17:31:48  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:31:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> have a bunch of primaries now. just need to find somewhere to make main stations
17:32:08  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:32:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> atleast my steel area is looking cool
17:34:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> but i dont really know where to build the factory & sawmill area
17:34:29  <Stablean> <V453000> St. Metchester Falls Woods
17:34:36  <Stablean> <V453000> train fucked up
17:34:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah yeah :p
17:34:56  <Stablean> <V453000> dont use 2way signals unless you REALLY know how dangerous they are :)
17:35:02  <Stablean> <V453000> on 1way tracks
17:35:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah just forgot those bitchs in st metchester refused me to build 2 platforms ^^
17:35:26  <Stablean> <V453000> yes sure
17:35:37  <Stablean> <V453000> but 1ways would be ok there
17:35:52  <Stablean> <V453000> and really, 2way signals are needed only in some cases
17:36:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok
17:36:06  <Stablean> <V453000> talking about stations, almost never
17:36:16  <Stablean> <V453000> it is the feature of 2way eol
17:36:20  <Stablean> <V453000> "end of line"
17:36:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah oki
17:36:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> but does it hurt?
17:36:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> i mean like on a bridged mainline, should they always be 1way?
17:37:04  <Stablean> <V453000> ifthe first signal that the train chooses is 2way signal and is red, train will NEVER go that way, it will choose ANY other way, even if it leads nowhere
17:37:22  <Stablean> <V453000> if the choice is Only between those two bridges, it s ok
17:37:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah oki ^^
17:37:38  <Stablean> <V453000> But if you have for example bridges and also a split at the same place, it could get borked
17:37:56  <Stablean> <V453000> it is a really important thing :) easy to get your trains lost
17:38:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> allright
17:38:11  <Stablean> <V453000> for the start: just dont use twoways :) I tried to also give you the reason ;)
17:38:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> just seen saves from public games where you have all exit signals 2way
17:39:12  <Stablean> <V453000> they surely are in correct places
17:39:24  <Stablean> <V453000> and I dont believe we have even most of them 2way :)
17:39:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> not all of them probably. just seen it :) so thought it wasnt a biggie
17:39:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> but now i know
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17:39:56  <Stablean> <Henri> Hey
17:40:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> suå
17:40:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> sup
17:40:16  <Stablean> <Henri> nice lines mate
17:40:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> thanks. getting bigger ^^
17:40:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> but expand mainline to LL_RR will be a bitch
17:41:45  <Stablean> <Henri> u mean to 4 way right?
17:41:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm 2 each way -.-
17:42:05  <Stablean> <V453000> Plesdingstone Mines -> one of the coal mines isnt transported
17:42:11  <Stablean> <Henri> yh
17:42:58  <Stablean> <V453000> how do you like the trainset? :)
17:43:12  <Stablean> <Henri> its really big
17:43:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> its nice. but waiting for a 200ish electric train
17:43:50  <Stablean> <V453000> should I tell you when? :)
17:43:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> yes :D
17:43:58  <Stablean> <V453000> emm
17:44:00  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
17:44:02  <Stablean> <V453000> well
17:44:04  <Stablean> <V453000> 2025
17:44:06  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
17:44:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> hohoo
17:44:19  <Stablean> <learningottd> when is the next good train coming? :)
17:44:42  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont remember that one
17:44:50  <Stablean> <V453000> there will be a few better now
17:44:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> goodie
17:45:01  <Stablean> <V453000> 1990s will bring some good ones
17:45:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> the 144 is nice enough though
17:45:15  <Stablean> <V453000> also, there are 4 types of wagons, so trains are getting better
17:45:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm the fastest available now
17:45:43  <Stablean> <V453000> speed isnt that important :(
17:45:45  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:45:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> hp?
17:46:04  <Stablean> <V453000> I like good acceleration
17:46:15  <PeterT> @channelstats
17:46:15  <Webster> PeterT: On #openttdcoop.stable there have been 44342 messages, containing 1566280 characters, 267396 words, 2938 smileys, and 1044 frowns; 48 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 728 joins, 46 parts, 650 quits, 3 kicks, 499 mode changes, and 19 topic changes.
17:46:17  <Stablean> <V453000> it can completely change how you must build stuff
17:46:19  <Stablean> <Henri> that mean more  hp
17:46:29  <Stablean> <V453000> also T.E.
17:46:43  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok
17:47:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> aslong as they dont slow down im happy
17:47:21  <Stablean> <V453000> you mean hills?
17:47:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah
17:47:31  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:47:53  <Stablean> <V453000> it is fun to play with some hill effects
17:48:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> not with shitty trains that do 50% speed on hills :p
17:48:09  <Stablean> <V453000> like a good distribution of steepness % and weight multipliers
17:48:27  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe the 104kmh electric trains are good enough
17:48:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> cool
17:48:37  <Stablean> <V453000> or you have to use more engines :p
17:49:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> perhaps
17:49:14  <Stablean> <V453000> this set is particularly good basically under any circumstances
17:49:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> sounds good :)
17:49:27  <Stablean> <V453000> because if you want speed, you get 251 in the end too
17:49:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> when is the cargo wagons upgraded?
17:49:52  <Stablean> <V453000> on the other hand, if you want heavy hills and whatever, you get 99kmh, 120 kmh and so on, each can have HUGE power
17:50:01  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont remmeber :)
17:50:04  <Stablean> <V453000> you will see
17:50:18  <Stablean> <learningottd> i can wait. im busy enough building stuff
17:50:26  <Stablean> <V453000> he
17:50:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> making new trains is something i dont have time for yet ;)
17:50:51  <Stablean> <V453000> I always say: it isnt much about the trainset, but whether you want to build and if you have fun building atm :)
17:51:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup
17:51:43  <Stablean> <V453000> even toyland can be fun :)
17:51:49  <ODM> toyland!
17:51:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> and its gonna take a while to get done building
17:52:18  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:52:24  <Stablean> <V453000> 181!
17:55:55  <Stablean> <Henri> u know the trains are starting to get a little laggy
17:56:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> theres not that much trains yet is there?
17:56:41  <Stablean> <Henri> well i built some where it was needed
17:56:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah its choppy a little bit
17:57:24  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont know what true lag is :)
17:57:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> the one where tkjacobsen built 1k ships it lagged slightly ;)
17:57:48  <Stablean> <V453000> when the vehicles are barely moving for example :p
17:57:58  <Stablean> <V453000> 1k ships? on our server?
17:58:01  <Stablean> <V453000> I doubt that :)
17:58:11  <Stablean> <learningottd> he had a shitload of ships
17:58:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> a couple weeks ago
17:58:15  <Stablean> <V453000> ~200 iirc
17:58:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> 800~ ish maybe. but not lower!!
17:58:40  <Stablean> <V453000> no
17:58:53  <Stablean> <V453000> the limit shouldnt allow him here
17:59:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> you didnt have any limit then ;)
17:59:10  <Stablean> <V453000> well this time I kinda banned everything but trains :)
17:59:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh goodie
18:02:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> allright game started. semi afk a bit henri.
18:02:32  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
18:02:36  <Stablean> <Henri> football?
18:02:39  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya
18:02:41  <Stablean> <Henri> american?
18:02:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> norwegian :)
18:02:51  <Stablean> <Henri> oh good
18:02:53  <Stablean> <V453000> bah
18:02:56  <Stablean> <Henri> respect for real football!
18:02:58  <Stablean> <V453000> any football is bad :)
18:02:58  <Stablean> <Henri> :P
18:03:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> sk brann. sk brann!
18:03:11  <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
18:03:15  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
18:03:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> im a lil bit in and out now
18:03:31  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
18:17:38  <Stablean> <Henri> woot
18:17:58  <Stablean> <Henri> i can now totally make priorities
18:18:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> sup?
18:18:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> you do? :p
18:18:13  <Stablean> <Henri> check woot it works
18:18:15  <Stablean> <Henri> sign
18:18:31  <Stablean> <learningottd> woot woot
18:18:37  <Stablean> <Henri> :P
18:18:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> just have to wait for two trains to come at the same time :p
18:19:10  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
18:20:04  <Stablean> <Henri> ive made it to some other junctions too
18:20:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah k
18:20:17  <Stablean> <Henri> the souther sidelines
18:20:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> gosu
18:20:53  <Stablean> <Henri> now making to coal station
18:20:55  <Stablean> <Henri> gosu?
18:21:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm. it means good :D
18:21:14  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
18:30:49  <V453000> god of starcraft universe
18:30:56  <Stablean> <Henri> :D?
18:31:03  <V453000> gosu
18:31:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> zomg bw player?
18:31:13  <V453000> nah
18:31:27  <V453000> just long-time spectator :p
18:31:32  <Stablean> <Henri> what the hell r u talking about?:D?
18:31:45  <V453000> ..
18:31:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah keke. TLer?
18:31:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> best game ever made henri
18:31:58  <Stablean> <Henri> uh
18:32:05  <Stablean> <Henri> and it is?
18:32:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> starcraft broodwar
18:32:19  <planetmaker> omfg. I hate this 1347-5p34k
18:32:21  <Stablean> <Henri> um okay
18:32:43  <Stablean> <Henri> hehe
18:33:12  <V453000> planetmaker: that is no 1337 yet :p
18:33:32  <planetmaker> ic, bhtu.
18:34:00  <V453000> big hate to you? :D
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18:34:01  <V453000> bhtu
18:34:08  <planetmaker> but hard to understand :-P
18:34:15  <planetmaker> or hardly if you like
18:34:20  <V453000> :)
18:34:27  <planetmaker> but big hate to me, too :-P
18:34:32  <V453000> :D
18:34:37  <planetmaker> now that you mention it ;-)
18:34:43  <V453000> hehe
18:34:44  <V453000> :)
18:34:47  * V453000 hugs pm
18:35:12  <planetmaker> :-)
18:36:17  <planetmaker> it always reminds me of:
18:36:18  <Webster> Title: - Krasse Chat-Zitate/Quotes (IRC + IM) - Zitat #11488 (at
18:36:36  <planetmaker> last line translates to "you're all completely nuts!"
18:37:21  <V453000> :D okay
18:55:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke
18:55:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hello
18:55:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> yo
18:55:22  <V453000> hi
18:55:38  <V453000> Chris Booth: any issues with grf?
18:55:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah
18:56:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you used TFR in temerate
18:56:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> looks wank
18:56:23  <V453000> which is a huge issue
18:56:24  <V453000> I see
18:56:25  <V453000> really
18:56:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> all the sprites are wrong
18:56:30  <V453000> yeah
18:56:32  <V453000> completely
18:57:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its playable
18:57:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but some engines look stupid
18:57:52  <V453000> lol.
18:58:02  <V453000> seriously, this is dumb :)
18:58:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> who made the map?
18:58:16  <V453000> me
18:58:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> tut tut
18:58:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you also left on some silly things like funding towns in game
18:58:51  <V453000> he
18:58:59  <V453000> that isnt that intentional :)
18:59:19  <V453000> but I think that tropic ref. set works actually best in temperate
18:59:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no it doesnt
19:00:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> look at the steamers such as the class 15A
19:00:31  <V453000> that is the long one, right?
19:00:44  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> one of the ugly long ones
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19:00:52  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ello
19:00:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hello
19:00:59  <V453000> btw I doubt there is Any difference at all in engines
19:01:05  <V453000> only wagons are different in climates
19:01:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then this set it turly ugly
19:01:21  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> small ass map
19:01:26  <V453000> why do I even talk to you ...
19:01:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i dont know you ask yourself that one
19:02:03  <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has started a new company (#3)
19:02:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> when is my amazing RV going to be played
19:02:21  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wow
19:02:23  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> station select
19:05:15  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wtf
19:05:18  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> so much engines
19:05:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes its a new grf train set
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19:06:41  <Chris_Booth> V453000: also you not talking anymore????
19:06:52  <V453000> ... ?
19:07:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you never said why to talk to me
19:07:21  <V453000> yeah, no reason
19:07:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> how nice you are today
19:07:40  <V453000> I just saw your complaint about the grf so I wondered if you have any reason actually
19:07:59  <V453000> but I see that it is more pointless than I expected
19:07:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> this set is ugly and in the wrong climate
19:08:07  <V453000> yeah, I know, everything wrong
19:08:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not everything
19:09:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i like the fact you used base cost mod
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19:13:29  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ello
19:13:47  <Stablean> <Henri> hey
19:14:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> tut tut
19:14:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Henri: should you be in learningottd company?
19:14:50  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> they make sound right?
19:14:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> yes
19:14:56  <Stablean> <Henri> yes
19:14:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> yes
19:15:02  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
19:15:08  <Stablean> <Henri> we are co-op
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19:15:18  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> fags :)
19:15:24  <Stablean> <Henri> =D
19:15:26  <Chris_Booth> lol
19:15:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> coop ftw
19:15:35  <Chris_Booth> coop FTW
19:15:41  <Stablean> <Henri> ^^
19:15:50  <Chris_Booth> if you love coop you should join the real coop server
19:16:05  <Stablean> <Henri> tbh, cant find any better than this
19:16:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> too much coop on public server. + you guys are too gosu
19:17:21  <Chris_Booth> the public server is great
19:18:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki maybe some day when i've learnt a little more :)
19:18:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> a
19:18:59  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> is there any model of city growth?
19:19:21  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and is it anyhow related with transporting?
19:19:27  <Stablean> *** * has left the game (leaving)
19:19:46  <Chris_Booth> OG yes there is
19:19:57  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> where can i find the info?
19:20:14  <Chris_Booth> now not sure where you can find the info
19:20:22  <V453000> @wiki city growing
19:20:24  <Webster> Search results for "city growing" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
19:20:27  <Chris_Booth> might find some on
19:20:43  <V453000> hm not much there
19:20:46  <V453000> it is somewhere
19:20:50  <V453000> idk wher
19:20:58  <Chris_Booth> but to get a city to grow you need 5 stations that are well serviced within the paved city area
19:21:00  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i found something
19:22:12  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> Town growth can be accelerated by loading and unloading at least one item of cargo at five stations within town influence within a two month period. It does not matter which cargos are loaded/unloaded.
19:23:14  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i will bankrupt
19:23:38  <Stablean> <Henri> aw
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19:26:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> finaly i am makeing money
19:26:07  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> booth ur admin?
19:26:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> when is suits me
19:26:41  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> is  that "yes" ? xd
19:26:50  <Chris_Booth> yes
19:26:52  <V453000> cant you just tell what you need? :)
19:26:59  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> reset my company plz
19:27:10  <Chris_Booth> just let it die
19:27:13  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> cant wait 1 minute
19:27:14  <Chris_Booth> less effort
19:27:22  <Chris_Booth> !client
19:27:28  <Chris_Booth> !players
19:27:30  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 34 (Blue) is Chris Booth, in company 1 (Chris Booth Transport)
19:27:30  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 20 (Yellow) is learningottd, in company 2 (learningottd Transport)
19:27:30  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 26 (Red) is OG Matautas, in company 3 (OG Matautas Transport)
19:27:30  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 32 (Yellow) is Henri, in company 2 (learningottd Transport)
19:27:31  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u just write /reset nabish_company
19:27:34  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> and i wont have 2 wait xD
19:27:36  <Chris_Booth> !rcon move 26 255
19:27:36  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: *** OG Matautas has joined spectators
19:27:42  <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has started a new company (#4)
19:27:48  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ye
19:27:49  <Chris_Booth> !companies
19:27:52  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 1 (Blue): Chris Booth Transport
19:27:52  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 2 (Yellow): learningottd Transport
19:27:52  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 3 (Red): OG Matautas Transport
19:27:52  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 4 (Green): Unnamed
19:28:05  <Chris_Booth> !rcon reset_company 3
19:28:05  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company deleted.
19:28:09  <V453000> dont you know you can just spectate and create another company :) as you did before deleting
19:28:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> happy?
19:28:25  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> naa
19:28:29  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> its still alive
19:28:31  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> poh
19:28:33  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> yes
19:28:35  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> very
19:28:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i just removed it
19:28:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its not alive
19:29:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> OG Matautas:  to grow towns in this game is more complex than 5 stations
19:29:32  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i would like to learn
19:29:39  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> the passenger transportation
19:29:50  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> with trains
19:29:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> next game i will make a pax map
19:30:07  <Stablean> <Henri> pax map?
19:30:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> passenger express map
19:30:19  <Stablean> <Henri> nicee
19:32:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> OG Matautas: you can join me if you want to play passengers
19:32:26  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ok
19:32:33  <V453000> this trainset isnt the best choice for pax indeed :)
19:32:43  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i dont give a shit
19:33:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats the password
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19:33:28  <Stablean> <Henri> ur gonna co-op`?
19:33:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> low capacity
19:33:49  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we will then grow the towns
19:34:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and build high speed links where needed
19:35:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> need 4 length platforms
19:35:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> else they unload super slow
19:35:49  <Stablean> <Henri> oh yh
19:39:48  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> so much buses
19:40:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no buses
19:40:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just build on my lines
19:55:21  <Stablean> *** learningottd has left the game (leaving)
19:55:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> OG Matautas: i got a great trick for you
19:55:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the tree trick
19:55:58  <Stablean> <Henri> everyone knows it:D
19:55:58  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ya i kno
19:57:36  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> no slow corners right?
19:58:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah i hate slow cornerw
19:58:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> s
19:58:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> try not to spend all the loan
19:59:02  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> *done*
19:59:24  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> this would take ages
19:59:28  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> w/o loan
20:00:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no it wont
20:00:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> soon we will have enough trains
20:00:44  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> dso
20:00:49  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> build a new station
20:00:57  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> then make the trains go to it
20:00:59  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> no new trains
20:01:53  *** learningottd has quit IRC
20:03:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you can ask someone to move you into the company
20:03:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or you can have you PW
20:03:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and i can just move myself into it
20:03:56  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ill remember it
20:06:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> sorry i am in 2 games at once
20:06:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you will have my attention soon
20:07:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you dont have to repay yet
20:07:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just make sure we are solvent
20:11:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we need a 5th train now
20:13:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> OG Matautas:  use CTRL + click when you clone the train
20:14:32  <Stablean> <Henri> well
20:14:38  <Stablean> <Henri> good night, going sleep
20:14:42  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> gn
20:14:50  <Stablean> *** Henri has left the game (leaving)
20:15:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> CTRL + click means we share oders so it links the trains
20:15:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> this means we only need to change 1 train
20:16:19  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> not to make 1?
20:23:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 5th train
20:23:44  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ok
20:24:04  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ill have to write maths tommorow
20:24:09  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> so wont be on for long
20:25:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok always do your school work befor openttd
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21:16:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> learningottd: you have some nice jams
21:16:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh goodie :D
21:16:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> where?
21:16:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you must be able to see both of them
21:16:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah
21:16:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> the fuck happened there?
21:16:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you are using 1 set of pre signals to control 1 stations
21:17:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> shouldnt do that?
21:17:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> never do that
21:17:39  <Stablean> <learningottd> how should i build it then? :)
21:17:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> use PBS to control 2 stations
21:17:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or have 2 entrances
21:18:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> how do you build terminus with 2 stations?
21:18:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> have 2 entrances
21:19:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok
21:19:31  <Stablean> <learningottd> dont the pre signal stop trains?
21:19:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:19:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> why does one train enter then?
21:20:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> as it has free platforms
21:20:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but not at the station it wants to go to
21:20:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> aaah ok
21:20:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> this terminus only works for 1 station?
21:20:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> look at Nanthill East
21:20:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> not ls+grain?
21:20:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:20:40  <Stablean> <learningottd> keke
21:20:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> LS + grain @ Nanthill East
21:21:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok sec
21:21:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok
21:22:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> does it work with a single advanced signal?
21:23:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that would work
21:23:16  <Stablean> <learningottd> just like that?
21:23:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just like Nanthill East
21:23:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki. but uhm want to keep the outer lines as entry+exit
21:23:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> more aesthetically beautiful
21:24:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the same
21:25:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm ok. like so?
21:25:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> like so
21:25:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no no
21:25:55  <Stablean> <learningottd> cheers man
21:26:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 2 way advanced
21:26:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah
21:26:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 1 way at entrance
21:26:39  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah ok
21:26:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> whats the difference between advanced signals and pre signals?
21:26:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> or i mean
21:27:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> in what situations are one superior over another?
21:27:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no one signal is better than another
21:27:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> for normal rails block signals rule
21:27:31  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup
21:27:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> for logic pre signals rule
21:27:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> for mergers pre signals rule
21:27:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> for stations play it safe and use PBS
21:28:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah ok
21:28:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> jams wont happen with em?
21:28:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or you could go for some rather amazing pre signals which are much hard to use
21:28:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> im not that amazing i think
21:28:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> PBS/advanced signals will only send trains to a platform they want to go to
21:28:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not at an empty block
21:29:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok
21:29:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> then i learnt something today also
21:30:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check !1 in sign list
21:30:19  <Stablean> <learningottd> henri made those. dont really know how they work
21:30:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok they are priors
21:30:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> err i mean
21:30:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and they should be block only
21:30:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> i know what they do, but not sure how to build them
21:30:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah he used pbs
21:32:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> combo
21:33:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so the combo will block the entrance as the build up from a distance
21:33:39  <Chris_Booth> !players
21:33:41  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 36 (Blue) is Chris Booth, in company 1 (Chris Booth Transport)
21:33:42  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Client 38 (Yellow) is learningottd, in company 2 (learningottd Transport)
21:33:44  <Chris_Booth> !companies
21:33:46  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 1 (Blue): Chris Booth Transport
21:33:46  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: Company 2 (Yellow): learningottd Transport
21:33:51  <Chris_Booth> !rcon move 36 2
21:33:51  <Stablean> Chris_Booth: *** Chris Booth has joined company #2
21:33:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> how do you decide what distance?
21:34:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok distance is the acceleration of 1 train
21:34:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> from 0 - top speed in tiles
21:34:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> + maximum signal gap of your network
21:34:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhms
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21:35:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> so the prio on the mainline starts with and exit signal, then combo
21:35:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so if you look at what i built it will work much better
21:35:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:35:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> theres just one way to build it?
21:36:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> nope you can use all combos
21:36:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you can use PBS
21:37:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> see my adavanced prior
21:38:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> lots of reading for you
21:38:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> yah :p
21:38:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm
21:38:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you combos in the prior always face oppersite to track direction
21:38:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> aaah
21:38:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they are not 2 way combo signals
21:39:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> so before the prio starts
21:39:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> you have first 2way exit, then 2way combo
21:39:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you dont have to have them
21:39:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> then on prio blocks you have them go opposite way
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21:40:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check !the same
21:40:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup
21:40:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they do the same but use different signals
21:40:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the exit + combo just extends the prior
21:40:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok
21:40:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> so it just depends how much prio the mainline should have
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21:41:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> depends on terrain ML room and length
21:41:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> you just have to look at the flow of the merger and see how big you want it?
21:42:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah
21:42:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if the merge has no traffic but ML has a jam you need a prior
21:42:29  <Stablean> <learningottd> k
21:42:45  <Stablean> <learningottd> but these different examples
21:42:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> its like whatever which one i use?
21:43:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they all do the same
21:43:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the pre signal one is more expanable
21:43:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> so the advanced prio is arguably the easiest to remember? :p
21:44:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check my bridge prior
21:45:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> when they join after a bridge you mean?
21:45:11  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh no
21:45:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:45:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> k
21:46:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if you look its a working example
21:46:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> hmm ok
21:47:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> so just like that
21:47:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> is it better to do it where all lines meet?
21:48:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok the priors work best when you use the ML idea
21:48:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> where all train run on the ML
21:48:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah not necessary where low traffic
21:48:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> drop access the ML directly via MSH (main station hubs)
21:48:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> MLs cross using BBHs(back bone hubs)
21:48:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya
21:48:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and all primaries join via SLHs(side line hubs)
21:49:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah i know the hierarchy ^^
21:49:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> this mean the ML flows is much greater than SLH entrance flow
21:49:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you dont want to stop the ML as it will jam
21:49:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhm
21:49:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so you force joining trains to wait for a gap big enough for them on the ML
21:49:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah
21:50:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> and the gap you just have to look at and find out how much traffic etc
21:50:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm can i build a prio like so?
21:50:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the gap is determind by the distance it take to train to reach full speed
21:52:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah
21:53:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> think i got the concept now
21:53:24  <Stablean> <learningottd> whenever he hits the track going to the prio
21:53:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you also have some bad signals i signed for you
21:53:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> the sideline entry turns red
21:53:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:54:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> or the first signal before it meets the prio track
21:54:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> when it enters the block signal befor the prior
21:54:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes that signal
21:54:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> k nice :)
21:54:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> hard to read about it, easier when explained ingame :) thanks
21:55:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok so never block after a exit right before a bridge?
21:55:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you should dive into our wiki
21:55:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> has all of this documented on it
21:55:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah i read a bunch there
21:55:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> but most seems kinda old
21:55:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> never block befor the bridge
21:55:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> and very few graphical examples
21:56:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> most is kinda old
21:56:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but some is upto date
21:56:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> blog is more upto date but much more advanced
21:56:40  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya
21:56:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm the !signal me
21:56:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> only block signals closer right?
21:57:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah make sure you have the same minimum and max signal gap
21:59:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> i know you dont want more than 2
21:59:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> but is it bad in areas like these to just make a couple 1gaps signals?
21:59:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> next to splits i mean
22:00:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> better to have gap of 1 the gap of 3
22:00:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> standard gap of 2 is best
22:00:45  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm i mean when i f.ex have ctrl clicked a whole strech of block signals
22:00:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but you networks signal gap is = to the longest signal gap on the network
22:01:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> always make sure junstions have signals all arround them
22:01:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> unless you want to have a train trap
22:01:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah but does it hurt to have 1gap?
22:01:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but that is much more complex
22:01:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> 1gap for 2 block signals
22:01:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to have a smaller gap no it does
22:01:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to have a larger gap yes
22:01:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> and the rest is ctrl+clicked a fair bit
22:02:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah im trying to watch out for it
22:02:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah
22:02:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok cool now ive understood prios
22:02:50  <Stablean> <learningottd> but one thing i didnt get the last game, when i tried to make LL_RR
22:03:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> it was insanely hard to get both RR or both LL balanced
22:03:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> aah that is to do with entrance distances
22:03:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> they have to be exact?
22:03:43  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm wheres a nice flat land area? :p
22:04:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm sign hello hi
22:04:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> i make noob hubs though but
22:05:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok that is an easy SL to LL_RR join
22:05:58  <Stablean> <learningottd> so uhm kinda like this
22:06:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you cache SL trains
22:06:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> whats this?
22:06:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm
22:07:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> trying to make an example
22:07:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i have made an example
22:07:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah i made an also but k :p
22:07:44  <Stablean> <learningottd> aah
22:07:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hello hi is very wrong
22:08:01  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah figures :p
22:08:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> like i said. nooby hubs ^^
22:08:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what i dont understand is how what i made any more complex than yours?
22:08:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if anything mine is more simple!
22:08:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its smaller
22:08:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah
22:08:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so will fit more easyly
22:09:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and has very simple signals
22:09:32  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah but isnt there situations where you wanna split the SL further away and have one split to each ml track?
22:09:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> or is that useless?
22:10:05  <Stablean> <learningottd> i guess if i use prios this is just as good ^^
22:10:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> well you always want to make the SL split = to N*(Train Length)
22:11:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so 1 2 3 4 5 time the trains
22:11:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> hmm maybe i have overcomplicated the process in my head
22:12:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> what happens without prios with this?
22:12:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> it just slows the mainline a bunch?
22:12:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> only if the main line is busy
22:13:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhms
22:15:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> 123
22:16:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> kek
22:17:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> guess its gonna take a while before the logic behind signaling + prios sinks in
22:17:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> before bridges and tunnels on ml, i can just use pbs always?
22:17:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes best way
22:18:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah oki
22:19:36  <Stablean> <learningottd> but with pbs before bridge
22:19:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> i shouldnt have block before bridge?
22:19:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
22:20:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> aight
22:20:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> only after
22:20:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> so that each trains takes the next than the other one
22:20:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> if very busy line
22:20:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
22:21:16  <Stablean> <learningottd> so uhm did i forget anything now?
22:23:45  <Stablean> <learningottd> same works for an exit, but without prio?
22:24:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
22:24:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> i think making hubs just got a tad bit easier
22:25:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> hms
22:26:37  <Stablean> <learningottd> need a smoke then i can maybe see if i learnt something and built a LL RR hub with prios ;)
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