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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 7th September 2011:
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09:11:52  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
09:11:58  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
09:16:32  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Nooo my mouse is dying
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09:20:06  <Stablean> <V453000> morning
09:20:09  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
09:20:11  <Stablean> <Mks> hey V
09:20:47  <Stablean> <V453000> any of you wants to try drawing some sprites? :)
09:21:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> no thank you
09:21:05  <Stablean> <Mks> for trains you mean?
09:21:09  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
09:21:33  <Stablean> <V453000> it is easy
09:21:42  <Stablean> <V453000> just takes a ton of time
09:21:42  <Stablean> <Mks> no idea how
09:21:56  <Stablean> <Mks> also its easy if it looks like crap I guess?
09:22:05  <Stablean> <V453000> actually not
09:22:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I cannot draw myself and I think the results are somewhat acceptable
09:23:19  <planetmaker> <Stablean> <V453000> it is easy
09:23:19  <planetmaker> <Stablean> <V453000> just takes a ton of time <-- those are the crucial words. Especially "tons of time"
09:23:56  <planetmaker> I spent days on the new shore tiles. And I'm spending days on the new river shore sprites
09:24:01  <planetmaker> Same with the trees...
09:24:07  <V453000> yeah
09:24:09  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
09:24:15  <Stablean> <Mks> for opengfx?
09:24:18  <planetmaker> yeah
09:24:19  <V453000> on the other hand it is awesome that it is really just about thinking not about artistic abilities imo
09:24:36  <planetmaker> yep
09:24:48  <planetmaker> and one gets a bit quicker with actually just doing it
09:24:55  <V453000> sure :)
09:24:58  <planetmaker> One will somewhat develop an eye for what works and how it works
09:25:01  <Stablean> <Vinnie> howcome it is so time consuming? do you have to write code for it
09:25:04  <planetmaker> and how to use the (graphic) tools
09:25:14  <planetmaker> Vinnie_nl, I only talked about drawing
09:25:30  <V453000> Vinnie: no you just draw it pixel by pixel, but the views are at least 8 for each vehicle, they have to fit and have some certain scale
09:25:32  <planetmaker> coding is an entirely different issue. And is equally time consuming
09:25:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ahh i see
09:25:55  <V453000> usually when you draw something more complicated than "just a can" then the other view on the few pixels you got can be a real pain to make
09:26:07  <V453000> but "cans" are rather simple :)
09:26:16  <V453000> which is ... majority of trains for normal train sets
09:26:49  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you making an own newgrf with trains?
09:26:52  <planetmaker> yeah... I got riverbanks done. For flat terrain except snow
09:26:52  <V453000> yes
09:26:59  <planetmaker> Thus only snowy river banks remain
09:27:11  <planetmaker> Oh, and all the same for all 4 rotations for sloped rivers for all terrain types :-P
09:27:14  <planetmaker> Easy, eh? ;-)
09:27:17  <V453000> just tell me if you wanted to try it, it is not hard, it is only about the start, but if someone tells you what to get where and how, it is quick :)
09:27:29  <planetmaker> ^^ very much so
09:27:37  <planetmaker> it's about just trying it and having some patience
09:27:53  <Stablean> <Mks> I perhaps could try but not sure I want to try today
09:28:09  <V453000> as you well know I am here every day not just today :p
09:28:18  <V453000> and my offer is probably for a looong time :p
09:28:38  <planetmaker> V453000, maybe you care to make a small drawing tutorial in the tt-wiki?
09:28:40  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know your always here :)
09:28:44  <planetmaker> About your first steps or so?
09:28:50  <V453000> planetmaker: possibly :)
09:29:28  <hanf> planetmaker: the code isn't that bad, assuming you don't use nfo :P
09:29:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> PS i still have op rights here is that ok because i have been away
09:30:12  <V453000> does that hurt anyhow? :)
09:30:19  <Stablean> <Vinnie> not for me
09:30:34  <V453000> just keep them, I dont mind at all and I see that Sylf does not care about the server too extensively either
09:30:35  <planetmaker> hanf, "not bad" doesn't mean "not time consuming"
09:30:52  <V453000> so feel free to do stuff Vinnie
09:31:24  <V453000> if would be nice if you kept the style of the server as I or Sylf did but if not, I believe you will have good reasons for it
09:31:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> a train grf :)
09:31:53  <V453000> hehe, I believe this map is not "the style"
09:32:06  <Stablean> <Mks> due to no train grf you mean?
09:32:16  <V453000> is there any grf at all?
09:32:21  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah station grfs
09:32:26  <V453000> oh
09:32:28  <V453000> well, still :)
09:32:31  <Stablean> <Vinnie> we play with the vanilla trains and that is not normal on this server
09:32:41  <Stablean> <Mks> bridge grf also
09:32:43  <V453000> not normal ... not frequent :)
09:32:54  <V453000> either way, you know what to do
09:33:05  <Stablean> <Mks> I am gona make a map one of those days
09:33:22  <Stablean> <V453000> or there still is a load of my old maps somewhere
09:33:32  <Stablean> <Mks> unused?
09:33:40  <V453000> no, already used, but I doubt you remember them all
09:33:55  <V453000> there is like 100 maps I thnk
09:34:17  <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah you can check it
09:34:44  <Vinnie_nl> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/stable/save/uploads/?C=M;O=D
09:35:10  <V453000> basically that but you can do that via rcon already :p
09:35:22  <Stablean> <Vinnie> :)
09:36:54  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, I will be going, let me know if you wanted to try some drawing :P I promise the best train set ever
09:37:02  <Stablean> <V453000> or, best fitting for "our" purposes
09:37:10  <Stablean> <Mks> :)
09:37:12  <Stablean> <V453000> be it stable or PS
09:37:14  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you got an amount of trains?
09:37:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I do
09:37:21  <Stablean> <V453000> about 80
09:37:43  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ke maybe later cya
09:37:51  <Stablean> <V453000> they are in 5 categories and in the category you get a new train every 10 years which is better, stronger, faster and whatever than the previous one
09:37:59  <Stablean> <V453000> so in the end you get a new train every 2 years
09:38:09  <Stablean> <V453000> from 1920 till ~2070
09:38:16  <Stablean> <Mks> wow
09:38:26  <Stablean> <Mks> how fast are the last trains?
09:38:32  <Stablean> <V453000> 666 kmh
09:38:32  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
09:38:32  <Stablean> <Mks> only rail locos I guess?
09:38:34  <Stablean> <Mks> wow
09:38:36  <Stablean> <V453000> nono
09:38:38  <Stablean> <V453000> rail mono and maglev
09:38:44  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
09:38:48  <Stablean> <Mks> thought you didn'tlike maglev
09:38:54  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ur-trains info here
09:38:57  <V453000> why would I not like maglev
09:39:06  <Mks> to fast?
09:39:25  <Stablean> <V453000> doesnt hurt, makes PBS much less usable
09:39:35  <Stablean> <Vinnie> current maglev has not enough power and KN
09:40:02  <Stablean> <V453000> certainly ... I intend to make 3 cargo train classes - strong, normal and fast
09:40:07  <Stablean> <V453000> strong will definitely have enough
09:40:25  <Mks> how fast are the strong trains thought?
09:40:36  <Stablean> <V453000> 400kmh on maglev, 160 on rail
09:41:05  <V453000> all details on trains here https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AoP_7PwM8-MSdE5wUWJtZm1odzRyakF2cjZUWXp6SEE&output=html
09:41:06  <Webster> Title: Unrealistic Train Set engine table (at spreadsheets.google.com)
09:41:07  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh so there are cargo maglev trains
09:41:17  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
09:41:49  <Mks> whats ICE?
09:41:53  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Sylf owned me in this map :(
09:41:55  <Stablean> <V453000> fast pax
09:41:56  <Mks> stron meidum fast, ice
09:42:00  <Mks> ahh
09:43:07  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2912 and this is one of the bonus trains that are not in the engine table
09:43:20  <V453000> those are going to be particularly weird and )
09:43:30  <V453000> and/or cool ... but have less usable stats
09:44:13  <Mks> is it gona have tilting trains as well so you can have shorter curve radious?
09:44:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I did not say that
09:44:41  <Stablean> <V453000> but the monorail local pax trains might have that
09:44:45  <Mks> I mean more if any trains gona have that
09:44:55  <Stablean> <V453000> only local probably
09:45:06  <Stablean> <V453000> no other, would just benefit noobs to use longer trains
09:45:31  <Mks> :P
09:45:36  <Mks> I like semi long trains
09:45:48  <Stablean> <V453000> but there are some features that might interest you, starting with a wagon that is able to refit to any cargo, built-in universal engine, or being able to flip all engines
09:45:55  <Mks> to long well are cool but its to much benefits in it in openttd
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09:46:06  <Mks> oohh
09:46:13  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Nice V
09:46:16  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello Roland
09:46:17  <Mks> nice
09:46:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I know :p
09:46:21  <Stablean> <.Roland> goodmorning!
09:46:24  <Stablean> <V453000> hi Roland
09:46:32  <Mks> so any of those trains have spirits yet?
09:46:37  <Stablean> <V453000> well, if you wanted to help me with realizing that, you know what to do :P
09:46:43  <Stablean> <.Roland> just browsing around for inspiration ;)
09:46:47  <Stablean> <V453000> you mean sprites Mks?
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09:46:53  <Stablean> <Vinnie> I need some help
09:47:11  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
09:47:20  <V453000> sure, see the devzone issues
09:47:21  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Where are the primaries
09:47:29  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ur-trains/issues
09:47:38  <V453000> I put everything there
09:48:19  <Mks> not much done huh
09:48:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> dont pick fights you cant win
09:48:57  <V453000> well, I am drawing for just 2 months
09:49:05  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
09:49:13  <Stablean> <Mks> will be awesome once its finnished thought
09:49:37  <V453000> it wont finish itself though :P
09:50:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> no AI trainset builder?
09:50:06  <hanf> well you'd best get drawing then!
09:50:36  <V453000> I am .. :D
09:56:30  <Stablean> <.Roland> byebye!
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09:56:34  <Stablean> <Vinnie> cya
10:11:46  <Stablean> <Vinnie> planning a water crossing?
10:12:01  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
10:14:47  <Stablean> <Mks> 2001 for monorail?
10:14:53  <Stablean> <Vinnie> correct
10:15:06  <Stablean> <Vinnie> 2000 for someone with monopoly
10:45:07  <Stablean> <Vinnie> @@gap 8 3
10:45:07  <Webster> Stablean: (gap <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1.
10:45:15  <Vinnie_nl> @ gap 8 3
10:45:15  <Webster> Vinnie_nl: For Trainlength of 8: <= 14 needs 2, 15 - 24 needs 3, 25 - 34 needs 4.
10:45:31  <V453000> @@(gap8 3)
10:45:34  <V453000> hm
10:45:37  <V453000> how was that¨
10:45:41  <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah i remember now
10:45:43  <V453000> @@gap(8 3)
10:45:49  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ingame @@(gap 3 8)
10:45:49  <Webster> Stablean: For Trainlength of 3: 30 - 34 needs 7, 35 - 39 needs 8, 40 - 44 needs 9.
10:46:00  <V453000> does not matter if ingame or here I think
10:46:08  <V453000> but it probably matters if in the beginning of a line
10:46:16  <V453000> just like @@(gap3 8) is going to work
10:46:24  <V453000> just like @@(gap 3 8) is going to work
10:46:24  <Webster> V453000: For Trainlength of 3: 30 - 34 needs 7, 35 - 39 needs 8, 40 - 44 needs 9.
10:46:32  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you at school now?
10:46:36  <V453000> no
10:46:43  <V453000> I start shool in 20 days
10:46:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i want to go to that school
11:00:37  <Vinnie_nl> @(gap 2 3)
11:00:56  <Vinnie_nl> @@gap(23 3)
11:01:11  <Vinnie_nl> @@gap(2 3)
11:01:27  <Vinnie_nl> !help
11:02:00  <V453000> :D
11:02:07  <V453000> @gap 2 3
11:02:07  <Webster> V453000: For Trainlength of 2: <= 8 needs 2, 9 - 12 needs 3, 13 - 16 needs 4.
11:02:09  <V453000> in irc
11:03:06  <Vinnie_nl> @gap 3 2
11:03:06  <Webster> Vinnie_nl: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4.
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11:07:11  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello player
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13:08:48  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
13:08:54  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Hi Vinnie
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13:14:44  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i am so broke
13:15:04  <Stablean> <Mks> lol how did you become broke :P
13:15:22  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Some water terraform and imidialty after that replace to monorail
13:15:36  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> by accident
13:15:40  <Stablean> <Vinnie> so no money to buy the new trains
13:15:40  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> ?
13:15:44  <Stablean> <Vinnie> some tf yes
13:16:59  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> lets see how far i'll get with my busonly project
13:17:25  <Stablean> <Vinnie> busses?
13:17:43  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> yep
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13:19:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> prince Harry?
13:19:23  <Stablean> <Harry> no
13:19:34  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Oh HRM
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13:22:06  <Stablean> <Vinnie> is there a quick way to see how many trains are in a selected depot?
13:23:05  <Stablean> <Vinnie> see the income graph you can see who is replacing trains
13:23:35  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> it would be very cool to have automatically generated vehicle lists
13:23:45  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> like one that list all trains in depots
13:43:08  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i am back in the top
13:43:26  <Stablean> <Mks> :P
13:43:31  <Stablean> <Mks> I am still trying to replace the trains
13:43:41  <Stablean> <Vinnie> use the universal rail depot
13:43:47  <Stablean> <Mks> I do but takes forever :P
13:43:53  <Stablean> <Mks> I need to place more of them :)
13:43:57  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you can autoreplace
13:44:01  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
13:45:29  <Stablean> <Mks> wow I really lost some income :P
13:45:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> 500k is not alot
13:46:58  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:49:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> time to mix it up with some pax
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15:48:11  <Stablean> <Vinnie> time for PS
15:48:14  <Stablean> <Vinnie> cya
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17:15:04  <Stablean> <Mks> why can't I replace to maglev
17:15:36  <TWerkhoven> !date
17:15:36  <Stablean> TWerkhoven:  3 Apr 2024
17:15:49  <TWerkhoven> any maglev locomotives available yet?
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17:16:05  <Stablean> <Mks> well I mean I can't replace monorail to universal enginee
17:17:08  <Stablean> <Mks> yes 1
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19:37:43  <Stablean> <Krym> oh, nice
19:39:45  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
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19:39:57  <Stablean> <Krym> hey
19:40:07  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hye
19:40:17  <Stablean> <Krym> oh there you are :)
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19:58:58  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
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19:59:30  <Stablean> <Krym> hi
20:00:20  <Stablean> <Krym> hops :)
20:00:58  <Stablean> <Vinnie> one signal made a jam :(
20:07:36  <Stablean> <Krym> yeah I see
20:07:54  <Stablean> <Krym> love the building style, I need to learn that :)
20:08:33  <Stablean> <Vinnie> your teammate can build like that
20:08:51  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi Vinnie
20:08:57  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey DD
20:14:26  <Stablean> <Krym> right
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20:28:25  <Stablean> <Krym> what's CL < TL ?
20:39:23  <Vinnie_nl> Curvelength is smaller than trainlength
20:39:29  <Vinnie_nl> ergo train slows down
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20:44:42  <Stablean> <Vinnie> goodnight
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20:44:50  <Stablean> <Krym> night
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