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Was anything erails committed? 00:48:16 <glx> still WIP 00:48:41 <RichK> hi - is peter1138 in?? 00:48:44 <Born_Acorn> ahh. 00:48:56 <Born_Acorn> I don't know, it is kind of late for the UK 00:49:06 <RichK> yup - but im still here ;) 00:49:15 <Born_Acorn> and peter1138 is an early night person 00:49:20 <RichK> ahh... 00:49:39 <RichK> do you know anything of the changes to the Patch panels in current trunk? 00:50:20 <RichK> its radically changed 00:50:49 <RichK> breaks almost every one of the patches that puts an entry on the config patches screens 00:51:55 <Born_Acorn> I have no idea 00:52:11 <RichK> darkvater? he should know i hope 00:52:54 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-66.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:53:00 <glx> yeah he made the changes 00:53:46 <RichK> i dont understand why... its now down to hardcoded numbers.... which makes overlap of patches a nightmare 00:54:03 <RichK> eg. static const PatchEntry _patches_ai[] = {63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68}; 01:01:06 <glx> RichK: look r3722 01:02:00 <RichK> ok - looks like a major change (retrograde step on patches IMO) 01:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> darkvater is out skiing for a week i believe 01:05:16 <RichK> yup... i remember now... ill just have to not work on terragenesis in the meantime ;) 01:22:40 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:29:10 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC8C1CB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:30:13 *** _gass_ [n=any@81.84.150.171] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:34:43 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 01:34:49 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:39:32 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has left #openttd [] 01:42:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:56:01 <CIA-5> belugas * r3782 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (28 files in 2 dirs): 01:56:01 <CIA-5> [tfc_newmap] -Fixed some glitches in commit r3779. 01:56:01 <CIA-5> Still not totally fixed. 02:01:19 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 02:27:08 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 02:27:16 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:42:02 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 02:54:29 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye"] 03:01:11 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01:25 *** _Red is now known as Red 03:02:19 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 03:03:25 *** fusey [n=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 03:26:27 *** fusey [n=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:37 <BFM> Why is everyone at work an idiot but me :( 03:55:47 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]"] 04:37:09 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176099231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 04:43:31 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:10:27 *** Pipian [n=pipian@jacobi.stu.rpi.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:14:33 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:14:53 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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Fix the last glitches from r3781 09:47:52 <Bjarni> I wish we had such a feature in C so we don't have to write ASM to get such features 09:48:28 <Tron> most compilers have attributes for that 09:49:02 <Tron> conditional branches can be eleminated in certain cases 09:49:46 * MeusH has just got resurrectted 09:49:52 <MeusH> good news about the progress btw 09:49:53 <Tron> for example: x > 0 ? x : 0 can be compiled to (assuming x is 32 bits wide) ~(x >> 31) & x 09:50:30 <Tron> that's called if-conversion, btw 09:51:26 <Tron> Bjarni: you shouldn't be concerned about annotating the likly result for conditional expressions, it's one of the last resort things to do 09:51:37 <Tron> don't waste time on it 09:56:20 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: any news on the wiki? 09:56:25 <MeusH> like the authorisation? 09:56:49 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-25.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 09:58:24 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no news currently 09:59:18 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:59:49 <MeusH> okay 10:00:06 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: i'm working on the server now, because there are still some errors 10:00:17 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:02:02 *** init [n=init@130.237.221.133] has joined #openttd 10:08:36 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:38 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@88.240.23.26] has joined #openttd 10:13:31 * peter1138 smirks at the patches complaints 10:13:41 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:13:42 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:57 <TL|Away> I found a way to have cheats in multiplayer. Just save the MP game, and load it in single player. Hit Ctrl Shift C and enable the cheats you want. Then load the game in MP again. THe cheats,such as magic bulldozer and custom production values, will work! 10:15:00 <TL|Away> Lol, that is bad ;) 10:17:02 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 10:19:36 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 10:19:53 <Celestar> maybe DV overdid that setting-saving stuff? :) 10:21:51 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:22:26 <peter1138> heh 10:22:44 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:59 <peter1138> did he touch cheats? 10:23:08 <MeusH> Money cheat can not be reverted in any way, so this cheat will remain forever 10:23:27 <MeusH> because any other cheats can be turned off when initializing the savegame in multiplayer 10:23:28 <peter1138> that one's irrelevant 10:23:56 <peter1138> MeusH: you want to turn off the date? ;p 10:24:15 <MeusH> unless we keep a track who used the cheat, so the money can be substracted when loading the game in multiplayer 10:24:32 <MeusH> date cheat wouldn't be able to be reverted, too 10:24:40 <MeusH> of course, unless we keep a track of real date 10:24:46 <MeusH> but that's ridiculous 10:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't make too many thoughts about this... simply prevent the game from being loaded at all in MP 10:25:20 <MeusH> also a good idea 10:25:33 <MeusH> check if any of cheats has been used, if yes, don't load 10:26:21 <valhallazzzw> anyone interested in a microsoft usb stick? :+ 10:26:37 <valhallazzzw> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mysterysolved/corp/default.mspx :) 10:27:30 <Celestar> WHOA 10:27:38 <Prof_Frink> valhallazzzw: If it was likely to be large enough to hold a DSL install then I'd get one 10:27:40 <Celestar> First Conroe benchies are out :o 10:27:48 <valhallazzzw> not sure Prof_Frink 10:27:55 <valhallazzzw> older MS info sticks were ~16MB 10:28:07 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:25 * Prof_Frink shall stick with his 30GB USB 'stick' 10:28:48 <valhallazzzw> mp3 player? :+ 10:28:51 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:29:03 <Prof_Frink> lappy hard drive 10:31:14 <valhallazzzw> heh 10:34:31 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 10:38:00 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 10:40:00 *** Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: DjViper 10:40:00 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 10:40:11 *** Pulec [n=Pulcoj@62.204.255.139] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:40:25 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 10:40:49 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:41:41 *** MeusH[away] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Cya layer"] 10:43:15 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:43:36 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 10:52:54 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.85] has joined #openttd 10:57:45 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:01 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@88.240.23.26] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:07:59 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:10:00 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 11:13:09 <Bjarni> <valhallazzzw> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mysterysolved/corp/default.mspx :) <--- it's not a mystery. People do know that 11:13:17 <Bjarni> the issue is that a lot of people just don't care :p 11:15:25 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:33 <SpComb> hmm, oem licenses are a interesting thing 11:22:53 <SpComb> you can usually get a oem XP version if you order a ink cartridge :P 11:29:33 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:29:39 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:29:55 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 11:32:41 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:43 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 11:34:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Reason: My sister broke the router"] 11:39:16 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 11:42:01 <uatec> Bjarni, i've not bought a windows in... well since win 3.11, i've not noticed my 'debatable' CD keys causing me not to get the most out of my windows software 11:42:09 <uatec> it was the software that cause me not to get the most out of my hardware 11:42:57 <uatec> and what is that random animation at the stop supposed to be 11:42:59 <uatec> WTF? 11:43:29 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D979.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:43:41 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D979.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:45 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has joined #openttd 11:43:46 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D979.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:00:11 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:01:01 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 12:05:18 *** Turulo [n=weed@233.Red-83-54-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:10:52 *** Pulec [n=Pulcoj@62.204.255.139] has joined #openttd 12:13:38 <Bjarni> I think I have just read the stupidest political goal that I have seen in years 12:14:14 <Bjarni> a town council politician have detected that he got a problem since the main road is on one side of the railroad and the building he wants more people to go to is on the other side 12:14:23 <Bjarni> his solution is to close the railroad for that reason 12:14:28 <SpComb> eh 12:14:36 <Bjarni> the crossing that is already there is not good enough anymore 12:14:37 <Bjarni> o_O 12:15:06 <SpComb> why not move th building and reroute the railroad? 12:15:10 <Bjarni> and here is the really good part: the town council do not own the railroad and do not have political power over it 12:15:21 <SpComb> and so they can't close it? 12:15:33 <Bjarni> the building is not moveable and the railroad can't be moved either 12:15:39 <Bjarni> out of room at that location 12:16:50 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:50 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:16:51 <Bjarni> the railroad owners (some politicians, that is at a higher level than the town councils so they make plans for the big picture) have ordered new trains for that line 12:17:02 <Bjarni> and plans to upgrade it from 75 to 100 km(h 12:17:11 * Bjarni sense a fight in the near future 12:18:30 <SpComb> how silly 12:18:50 <SpComb> if the local council wins, It 12:18:53 <SpComb> 'll be rather sick 12:19:00 <Bjarni> they don't 12:19:09 <Bjarni> specially since they are a minority in the town council 12:19:32 <SpComb> and what is this biulding they want people to go to? 12:19:56 <uatec> what a complete cockmonger 12:20:09 <Bjarni> a closed shipyard that they want to turn into some weird cultural place 12:21:06 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:28 * Bjarni googles for a pic of the location in question 12:22:06 <Bjarni> http://www.mkh.dk/images/tog/hhgb/ys92.jpg 12:22:08 <MiHaMiX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_and_Blowjob_Day 12:22:33 <Bjarni> it's all the buildings in the rear and needless to say that the tracks pass just in front of it 12:23:03 <Bjarni> they have been doing that all the life of the shipyard, yet it's all of a sudden a problem now 12:26:40 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:41 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:26:58 <CIA-5> tron * r3791 /trunk/unmovable_cmd.c: Replace home grown direction handling for placing lighthouses by standard DiagDir 12:28:28 <Bjarni> http://www.l-eriksen.dk/tog/fast/sjaelland/nord/baner/hhgb/2/slideshow.php?image=70811 <-- I wonder why people take pics of the train at that location, but not the location in question.... so close 12:30:36 <Celestar> THIS GODDAMN FUCKING FUCKING CRAP 12:30:42 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: ?? :) 12:31:07 <Celestar> Fortran cannot read text files which has more than 72 columns 12:31:31 <Celestar> s/has/ave 12:31:34 <SpComb> Fortan :P 12:31:38 <Celestar> s/ave/have 12:31:45 <SpComb> couldn't that be considered dead? 12:31:52 <Celestar> I wish that were so 12:31:59 <SpComb> aha 12:32:08 <SpComb> well, make a small C program to split the lines :P 12:32:13 <SpComb> and then run that first :o 12:32:29 <SpComb> then submit it to the daily wtf 12:32:29 <Celestar> I've already ported half of the program into C 12:35:25 <Bjarni> Celestar: I thought you coded erails 12:36:08 <Celestar> Bjarni: I gotta pay my bills here and there 12:37:34 <Bjarni> ahh 12:37:39 <Bjarni> good point 12:37:49 <Bjarni> putting up catenary can be expensive :p 12:37:52 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:53 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:38:24 <SpComb> hrh 12:39:39 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has quit ["???????"] 12:40:26 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:44:27 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has joined #openttd 12:45:04 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:45:40 *** Volny [i=Petr@a04-0419a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:45:50 *** Volny [i=Petr@a04-0419a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 12:51:10 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:51:13 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:32 <CIA-5> tron * r3792 /trunk/water_cmd.c: -Fix: Mark the right tile as dirty. 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Not implemented. Well.. that is what I remember 14:50:44 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 14:56:10 <init> I'm not refering to anything new as in recent, just new as in "not in TTD" 14:56:34 <init> So I'm talking about the cargoset grf from 2003 14:56:45 <init> And it works for conventional rail 14:57:08 <Belugas> Have you tried in OpenTTD? 14:58:47 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 15:07:29 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-64446.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause> [08.03. 15:51] <Belugas> They are not working at all. Not implemented. Well.. that is what I remember <- yeah, that is what i remember, too. so i kinda got confused... 15:14:56 <CobraA1> Latest SVN creates a bunch of linking errors in MSVC++ :(. 15:16:50 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:17:21 <peter1138> yeah 15:17:25 <peter1138> it needs some files adding 15:22:23 <CobraA1> Also, the changes in settings.c and settings_gui.c are well-intentioned, I'm sure - but why the introduction of hard-coded arrays of numbers? 15:27:33 <init> Eddi|zuHause: They work for me at least... 15:28:40 <CIA-5> tron * r3794 /trunk/clear_cmd.c: Use already available accessor functions instead of GB() 15:29:25 <CIA-5> tron * r3795 /trunk/ (road_cmd.c road_map.c road_map.h roadveh_cmd.c): Add a function to request the orientation of a depot 15:34:36 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 15:36:59 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has joined #openttd 15:42:36 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:42:39 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:26 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:57:58 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@81.213.70.162] has joined #openttd 16:01:35 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:35 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:09:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B73DD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:07 *** Odez [i=Odez@dsl-jklgw3-fe10df00-107.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:14:55 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@81.213.70.162] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:16:05 <Odez> hi 16:16:13 <Odez> how do i load custom map on dedicaded server? 16:17:00 <valhallazzzw> try openttd -h for command line options 16:17:13 <valhallazzzw> iirc you need the -g <filename> switch, but i'm not 100% sure 16:17:55 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 16:24:18 <Odez> yeah that -g worked, thx :) 16:28:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [i=johekr@p54B73A4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> i hate too long ping-timeouts! 16:31:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B73BB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:31:23 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:39:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B73DD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:44:57 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:56:34 *** Odez [i=Odez@dsl-jklgw3-fe10df00-107.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #openttd [] 16:59:10 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|f00d 17:01:19 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:05 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 17:06:05 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:06:13 <AlexFili> hi folks 17:08:22 *** Aankh|Clone [n=pockled@203.101.13.196] has joined #openttd 17:18:09 *** Marctraider [n=Marctrai@ip5451b61a.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:12 *** Marctraider [n=Marctrai@unaffiliated/Scenariusz] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24:50 <Bjarni> AlexFili: you asked for me yesterday and then you left 17:24:59 <Bjarni> and I read that like 3 lines later :/ 17:26:53 <AlexFili> oh hi 17:26:58 <AlexFili> its ok lol 17:27:04 <AlexFili> i was wondering about ds stuff probably :) 17:29:52 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.13.196] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:35:33 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:36:51 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7DE25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:54 *** Xeryus|f00d is now known as XeryusTC 17:41:41 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 17:42:04 *** _gass_ [n=any@81.84.150.171] has joined #openttd 17:42:09 <_gass_> hello thre 17:42:13 <_gass_> hello there 17:42:24 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:35 <_gass_> does anyone have some grafics (.grf) set that can be distributed? 17:43:41 <_gass_> also, i have a compiler error compiling a debian package, because svn's scenario directory is empty 17:44:28 <Bjarni> now that is just plain stupid 17:44:32 <Bjarni> we used to have 3 files in there 17:45:09 <_gass_> Bjarni: well ... nop in the trunk updated half an hour later 17:45:09 <Bjarni> and no, nobody made a complete grf set that will replace the TTD grf files 17:45:30 <_gass_> Bjarni: there are some grf circuling in he internet 17:45:45 <Bjarni> but AFAIK none of them are complete 17:45:55 <_gass_> true 17:46:33 <_gass_> ( just a suggestion) openttd could assume some of them as "officiall" and then, less of them where copied from orginal 17:46:38 <_gass_> although 17:46:53 <_gass_> Bjarni: can you see the scenario stuff? 17:47:01 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B84DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:47:10 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:03 <AlexFili> hi glx 17:48:12 <Bjarni> _gass_: ? 17:48:22 <glx> hi 17:48:33 *** init [n=init@dhcp-221-85.pdc.kth.se] has quit ["leaving"] 17:48:46 <_gass_> Bjarni: the empty scenario directory 17:48:54 <Bjarni> yeah, I can see it 17:49:02 <_gass_> it makes an error packaging a debian package 17:49:16 <Bjarni> Darkvater removed the 3 .scn files in it before last release 17:49:24 <Bjarni> I'm not really sure why 17:49:27 <_gass_> if it is supossed to be empty, then the debian source must be changed 17:49:35 <AlexFili> ttd would be awesome on a ds :p 17:51:02 * FauxFaux has to get sdl to compile for his phone. 17:51:08 <Bjarni> _gass_: actually the main idea is that it should NOT be empty, but Darkvater got the idea to keep the scenario files elsewhere 17:51:52 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:10 <Bjarni> FauxFaux: do you know if you have the CPU power to run OTTD? 17:52:32 <Bjarni> it would be interesting, but it's not nice to the CPU in such small devices :| 17:53:04 <_gass_> Darkvater: are you there? 17:53:10 <Bjarni> no 17:53:13 <Bjarni> he left 17:53:16 <_gass_> humm 17:53:23 <Bjarni> he will be back in a few days though 17:53:31 <FauxFaux> Bjarni: The version on esoftentertainment loads, but the key bindings are completely screwed, need to get the battery out to reboot the phone. 17:53:38 <AlexFili> oh yeah Bjarni 17:53:44 <AlexFili> have you seen sacro? 17:53:58 <Bjarni> no recently 17:54:06 <_gass_> Bjarni: humm ... 17:54:06 <Bjarni> maybe he did as I told him 17:54:06 <AlexFili> shame 17:54:10 <AlexFili> i wanna talk about DS :p 17:54:13 <AlexFili> what did u tell him 17:54:17 <_gass_> Bjarni: where are the scenarios? 17:55:07 <Bjarni> Darkvater's homepage 17:55:19 <Bjarni> though either it's down or I forgot the URL 17:55:37 <Bjarni> download a 0.4.5 release to get them instead 17:55:52 <_gass_> humm 17:56:24 <Bjarni> AlexFili: I told him to stop living on an Australian timezone even though he lives in England 17:56:35 <Bjarni> so he could actually see real life people 17:57:16 <Bjarni> either he did that or he left us because I said it 17:57:21 <Bjarni> I have no way to tell 17:58:23 <Bjarni> it's generally a really bad idea to just sit at your computer all night and sleep all day... every day 17:59:11 <AlexFili> australian?! 17:59:15 <AlexFili> lol 17:59:18 <AlexFili> thats no good 17:59:47 <Bjarni> seriously. He woke up at around 22-23 and then he went to bed at sunrise 18:00:22 <AlexFili> :s 18:02:53 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B826CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03:12 <peter1138> meep meep 18:03:21 <peter1138> _gass_: want to change the debian files to suit? 18:03:21 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B826CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03:38 <_gass_> peter1138: yes, it was the best 18:03:54 <peter1138> if you've got diffs... 18:03:58 <_gass_> just erase a line in the .install file 18:04:02 <_gass_> wait 18:04:10 * Bjarni waits 18:04:51 <Bjarni> it should be a conditional add to the package instead 18:04:58 <Bjarni> it should be able to add the files if they are there 18:05:24 *** Nubian [n=nubian@gw.wnet.sk] has joined #openttd 18:05:41 <_gass_> peter1138: oh ... the problem is not the debian scripts 18:05:44 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:46 <_gass_> its is the makefile 18:05:54 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:06:17 <_gass_> cp scenario/* debian/openttd//usr/share/games/openttd/scenario/ 18:06:43 <Bjarni> yeah 18:06:49 <Bjarni> we should make it conditional 18:06:57 <Bjarni> only run it if there are any files 18:07:04 <_gass_> $(Q)cp scenario/* "/t/openttd-$(RELEASE)-morphos/scenario/" 18:07:09 <_gass_> here 18:07:15 <_gass_> this is for morphos 18:07:29 <_gass_> but, it will produce an error in every distro 18:07:34 <_gass_> every os* 18:07:49 <Bjarni> the stupid part is that we do not add the scenarios to svn like we used to do 18:09:14 <_gass_> if they are needed ... they should be there 18:09:36 <Bjarni> the scripts relies on them 18:09:46 <Bjarni> Darkvater: come home NOW 18:09:46 <Bjarni> :p 18:09:59 <peter1138> Bjarni: just re-add them ;p 18:10:33 *** Aankh|Clone [n=pockled@203.101.13.196] has quit ["Sleep 'n' all that [Time wasted online: 1hr 2mins 23secs]"] 18:10:36 <Bjarni> I would like to know why Darkvater decided not to add them 18:11:04 <_gass_> Bjarni: for now ... readd them ... and let Darkvater a message for him to justify the removal 18:11:39 <Bjarni> for now, I will do nothing until he returns 18:11:58 <_gass_> well ... i'll put there a file 18:12:03 <peter1138> no change there ;p 18:12:05 <_gass_> just to make the package 18:12:48 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 18:14:34 <Bjarni> I can remember that Darkvater put them on his homepage and when we released, all of us made the release packages and then redid it to add the external files :s 18:14:46 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:15:20 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:15:21 <AlexFili> so Bjarni, you work at openttd? 18:15:26 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:15:27 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:46 <Bjarni> err 18:15:50 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D979.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:15:53 <Bjarni> define work 18:15:59 <AlexFili> :S 18:16:01 <AlexFili> do stuff? lol 18:16:08 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 18:16:15 <Bjarni> in my world, working at some place means do stuff to get some money in return 18:16:19 <Bjarni> this is NOT the case 18:16:21 <AlexFili> well 18:16:28 <AlexFili> work isnt always profitable 18:16:34 <hylje> working on something 18:16:40 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 18:16:41 <AlexFili> so, you do work there? lol 18:16:59 * Bjarni slaps AlexFili 18:17:05 <AlexFili> :o 18:17:06 <AlexFili> lol 18:17:11 <Bjarni> you should know the answer 18:17:13 <AlexFili> did you do anything with the psp stuff? 18:17:37 <_gass_> humm ... 18:17:43 <Bjarni> I did the first port that ludde didn't write 18:17:52 <_gass_> does openttd supports opendesktop's menus? 18:17:56 <Bjarni> all the way back to the time between 0.1.3 and 0.1.4 18:18:10 <_gass_> openttd does not appears in my gnome menu 18:18:19 <AlexFili> oh ok 18:19:48 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 18:21:19 <_gass_> Bjarni: who does the debian port? 18:21:54 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176105253.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:56 <AlexFili> toyland is fun 18:23:33 <_gass_> peter1138: i see here in openttd page that you're in charge of new grf files 18:23:43 <_gass_> are there any of them available? 18:23:52 <_gass_> for not using all from original ttd? 18:25:55 <Belugas> Error _gass_ : He's doing newgrf support, not files... 18:26:11 <_gass_> oh 18:26:18 <_gass_> (missed that) 18:26:24 <Belugas> indeed :) 18:26:50 <_gass_> i am making debian packages from trunk ... i i want the minimmum to take fron ttd 18:27:01 <Bjarni> <_gass_> Bjarni: who does the debian port? <-- we officially got a debian port? 18:27:14 <_gass_> Bjarni: yes, you have 18:27:34 <Noldo> _gass_: it's not port, it's packaging 18:27:44 * Bjarni wonders who wrote that 18:27:46 <_gass_> well ... 18:27:47 <Bjarni> or added it 18:27:55 <Noldo> _gass_: and as far as I know blathijs does it 18:27:59 <_gass_> Bjarni: i met the guy who did that 18:28:06 <blathijs> ack 18:28:08 <_gass_> Noldo: true ... that is the one 18:28:17 <_gass_> here is the guy 18:28:25 *** Red is now known as csuke 18:28:44 <_gass_> blathijs: i am "packaging" openttd in debian/amd64 testing 18:28:50 <blathijs> ah, nice 18:29:00 <hylje> :< 18:29:03 <_gass_> and i found out that openttd is not added to the menu games 18:29:09 <_gass_> in gnome 18:29:14 <blathijs> I have an amd64 machine since a few weeks, so I could probably make the amd64 package too :-) 18:29:15 <peter1138> _gass_: newgrf files don't replace the original data 18:29:28 <_gass_> peter1138: the .grf? 18:29:30 <blathijs> _gass_: I think it is added to the "debian" menu subtree properly? 18:29:45 <_gass_> blathijs: i don't have debian menu 18:30:09 <blathijs> Bjarni: We don't have an official debian port, that is, openttd is not distributed through debian servers (due to licensing crap) 18:30:10 <peter1138> well, it's not part of gnome, so why should it? 18:30:10 <_gass_> blathijs: added it to games/ 18:30:20 <blathijs> _gass_: how exactly? 18:30:42 <blathijs> _gass_: doesn't gnome show the debian menu by default or something? :-S 18:30:45 * peter1138 mutters at opera suddenly exploding 18:30:46 <_gass_> blathijs: using freedesktop's scheme, well ... 18:31:11 <blathijs> hmm, dunno about freedesktop 18:31:13 <_gass_> blathijs: install dh-make and try dh_make in an empty directory 18:31:29 * blathijs just followed debian packaging policy I think 18:31:44 <_gass_> blathijs: and you have a file that you can add to the debian/ dir to include openttd in the right menu 18:32:17 <blathijs> debian/menu.ex you mean? 18:33:15 <blathijs> That file is already in the package, but it's called menu, not menu.ex 18:33:18 <_gass_> blathijs: http://pastebin.com/591141 18:33:25 <_gass_> blathijs: see the menu.ex? 18:33:32 <_gass_> ah ... 18:33:40 <_gass_> so it is added to debian menu ... 18:33:42 <_gass_> humm 18:33:43 <Bjarni> <blathijs> Bjarni: We don't have an official debian port, that is, openttd is not distributed through debian servers (due to licensing crap) <--- I can remember that they took it up by themselves (none of us said anything) and then they rejected it because they claimed it to contain stolen ASM code.... even though OpenTTD is CPU independent 18:34:34 <blathijs> _gass_: yes, I have the menu.ex here too, but it is nearly identical to the menu file in my packaging 18:34:37 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:34:44 <_gass_> blathijs: i am seeing that 18:34:49 <AlexFili> licensing crap? 18:34:55 <AlexFili> i thought unix was free-source? 18:34:58 <_gass_> blathijs: i am working on that 18:35:40 <blathijs> Bjarni: There was a lengthy discussion (of which I only read the last part a few months ago because they forgot to CC me), which didn't really end up anywhere. But the general tendency was against, so I decided to stop trying and just leave it for now 18:36:08 <Kjetil> It sounds like they doesn't have all the facts 18:36:22 <Belugas> AlexFili : Linux... not Unix 18:36:33 <AlexFili> linux =/= unix? 18:36:39 <Kjetil> Unix is not free 18:36:44 <stavrosg> more-or-less 18:36:45 <blathijs> linux is a unix 18:36:49 <AlexFili> oh ok 18:36:49 <Prof_Frink> GNU/Linux... GNU's Not Unix. 18:36:49 <blathijs> more-or-less 18:36:54 <Bjarni> blathijs: it was generally based on the stolen i386 ASM code that is added to svn and then they worked it up from there 18:37:13 <Kjetil> Linux is a *nix ( not a unix ) 18:37:16 <Bjarni> I don't argue with idiots, so I haven't said anything to them 18:37:18 <AlexFili> oh ok 18:37:45 <Kjetil> All the ASM is gone :) 18:38:11 <Bjarni> it's not gone 18:38:14 <Kjetil> oh ? 18:38:15 <Bjarni> it have never been there 18:38:17 <stavrosg> I was under the impression that it wasn't ever released. Just the C rewrite 18:38:27 <Bjarni> gone means it used to be there 18:38:41 <Kjetil> Ludde ported it from asm to C right ? 18:39:14 <AlexFili> lord luud? 18:39:41 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:39:53 <Bjarni> the only ASM code that have been added to SVN is some win64 support (don't know what that file contains) and then the timing thing that Darkvater have yet to commit 18:39:57 <Bjarni> that's about it 18:40:01 <Bjarni> the rest is in C 18:40:32 <Bjarni> bbl dinner 18:40:42 <Kjetil> AlexFili: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludde 18:40:49 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:24 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:32 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:40 <AlexFili> k 18:42:59 <_gass_> blathijs: found it 18:43:52 <blathijs> _gass_: the discussion? It took place on debian-mentors, debian-legal and two (ITP) bug reports IIRC, so you might wanna look around some more ;-) 18:44:05 <_gass_> blathijs: nop ... desktop stuff 18:44:11 <blathijs> ah :-) 18:44:21 <_gass_> blathijs: http://pastebin.com/591165 18:44:54 <blathijs> so, that's a freedesktop menu item 18:44:55 <blathijs> ? 18:45:00 <_gass_> in order to apear in kde and gnome menus, a file called openttd.desktop (or other.desktop) must be in /usr/share/applications/ 18:45:07 <_gass_> yes blathijs 18:45:12 <blathijs> stupid 18:45:13 <blathijs> ;-p 18:45:15 <_gass_> in gcalctool 18:45:23 <blathijs> I have a nice and standards-compliant menu file already 18:45:26 <blathijs> I think ;-) 18:45:29 <_gass_> is in the source's root as gcalctool.desktop.in 18:45:46 <blathijs> _gass_: Do you have the "menu" package installed? 18:45:55 <_gass_> then is just copied to /usr/share/applications/gcalctool.desktop 18:45:59 <_gass_> blathijs: yes 18:46:26 <_gass_> dpkg -l menu 18:46:26 <_gass_> Desejado=U=Desconhecido/Instalar/Remover/Purgar/H=Manter 18:46:26 <_gass_> | Status=Não/Instalado/Config-files/U=Descompac/Falhou-config/H=Semi-instal 18:46:26 <_gass_> |/ Erro?=(nenhum)/H=Mantido/precisa-Reinst/X=os 2 problemas (Status,Erro: maíusculas=errado) 18:46:26 <_gass_> ||/ Nome Versão Descrição 18:46:28 <_gass_> +++-=================================-=================================-================================================================================== 18:46:31 <_gass_> ii menu 2.1.27 generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications 18:47:52 <blathijs> _gass_: I believed you when you said "yes" ;-) 18:48:44 <_gass_> oh 18:50:11 <_gass_> but blathijs it must be in games/openttd 18:50:15 <_gass_> in kde and gnome 18:50:20 <_gass_> and not in debian 18:50:34 <_gass_> and also in every distribution 18:50:43 <_gass_> and *bsd 18:50:50 <blathijs> well, I think it is in debian/games/simulation/openttd now 18:50:58 <_gass_> so there should be an .desktop in openttd's source 18:51:06 <blathijs> it is here anyway 18:51:24 <_gass_> true 18:51:32 <blathijs> but, a freedesktop thingie in the openttd source would make sense 18:51:34 <_gass_> blathijs: think in other distribution 18:51:36 <blathijs> _gass_: write one? ;-) 18:51:38 <_gass_> for example fedora 18:51:42 <_gass_> blathijs: ok 18:51:51 <_gass_> going to do taht 18:51:52 <_gass_> that 18:53:22 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36698.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:53:29 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Work 18:56:07 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:59:07 *** glx is now known as glx|away 18:59:23 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has joined #openttd 19:01:43 <AlexFili> so Bjarni, do you make any of the decisions at openttd? 19:03:20 <Qball> Bjarni is just a pawn.. 19:04:01 <hylje> bjarni just tunes the OS X port 19:04:14 <AlexFili> k 19:04:15 <Qball> Nobody knows who the puppet master is 19:04:19 <blathijs> Bjarni is just an automated bot 19:04:23 <Qball> maybe it's peter1138? maybe it's ME? 19:04:24 <AlexFili> hehe 19:04:32 <Qball> maybe it's the man in the corner who never speeks 19:04:37 <AlexFili> lol 19:04:43 <hylje> /dev/urandom ? 19:05:07 <AlexFili> i hope someone will make a DS version 19:05:09 <AlexFili> that would rock 19:09:54 <Bjarni> <hylje> bjarni just tunes the OS X port <-- totally not true 19:10:20 <Bjarni> well I do that, but I also do other stuff 19:10:36 <Bjarni> like autoreplacing and cloning and so on 19:10:48 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691922010.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:49 <hylje> :] 19:10:52 <Bjarni> don't spread such lies that I don't do anything 19:10:53 <AlexFili> lol 19:11:00 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691922010.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:11:42 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> i hope someone will make a DS version <-- someone = you 19:11:57 <hylje> false 19:13:30 <AlexFili> lol Bjarni im no coder 19:13:36 <AlexFili> i wouldnt mind testing it though :p 19:13:39 <Bjarni> well, then stop talking about it in here 19:13:43 <AlexFili> why? 19:13:54 <Bjarni> none of us are going to make it 19:13:58 <AlexFili> why not 19:14:05 <Bjarni> try to request it from somebody, who know the hardware 19:14:17 <AlexFili> sacro isnt here :( 19:14:24 <Bjarni> ... 19:14:43 <Bjarni> you mean Sacro is the only person in the world that know DS??? 19:14:56 <AlexFili> i have a DS, but i dunno if i can code for it lol 19:14:56 <Bjarni> go to some DS development forum or something 19:15:05 <AlexFili> how hard is it to port openttd code anyway? 19:15:19 <Bjarni> that depends on the hardware 19:15:23 <Bjarni> and OS 19:15:39 <AlexFili> im using windows xp 19:15:55 <Bjarni> we already got a windows port 19:15:57 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:10 <AlexFili> lol 19:16:14 <AlexFili> i know, ive played on it lol 19:16:20 <AlexFili> u mean ds OS? 19:16:32 <Bjarni> if it supports SDL, a working port can be made in less than a day 19:16:36 <AlexFili> :o 19:16:40 <AlexFili> can u give me the SDL? 19:16:51 <Qball> can't you do anything yourself 19:17:02 <AlexFili> Qball how the hell would you know? :S 19:17:09 <AlexFili> lol 19:17:21 <Bjarni> might take a bit longer to make it feel OS native (removing all hacks) 19:17:32 <Bjarni> ok, I will send you an SDL binary 19:17:35 <AlexFili> :o 19:17:36 <Bjarni> for PPC OSX :p 19:17:36 <AlexFili> ok 19:17:44 <AlexFili> ppc? 19:17:51 <Bjarni> PowerPC CPU 19:17:54 <AlexFili> ;o 19:17:56 <AlexFili> whats that lol 19:18:03 <Qball> *sniff* 19:18:08 * Bjarni kicks AlexFili 19:18:12 <AlexFili> :o 19:18:13 <Bjarni> n00b alert 19:18:17 * AlexFili kicks back lol 19:18:30 <Bjarni> you know nothing about different hardware and software 19:18:34 <AlexFili> :S 19:18:35 <Bjarni> that's needed when you port stuff 19:18:37 <AlexFili> i know a bit 19:18:43 <Bjarni> ok 19:18:49 <Bjarni> is DS big or little endian? 19:18:55 <Belugas_Work> a bit... Not an int ! 19:19:01 <AlexFili> huh? 19:19:06 <AlexFili> endian? 19:19:12 <Bjarni> yeah 19:19:21 <Bjarni> you need to know in order to make a working port 19:19:23 <AlexFili> whats that lol 19:19:28 <Qball> AlexFili: you should give up. 19:19:33 <Qball> AlexFili: it's where the LSB is 19:19:41 <AlexFili> LSB? :s 19:19:49 * Bjarni lost the little trust he had in AlexFili to make a port 19:19:50 <AlexFili> i know that doesnt mean left mouse button 19:20:01 <AlexFili> Bjarni i'll tell you, ive never ported anything in my life 19:20:27 <AlexFili> the nearest thing to a port is when i build a dock on TTD 19:21:08 * AlexFili summons sacro to make a DS version quickly 19:21:27 <Bjarni> AlexFili: no offence, but you need to know stuff like this when you port. Porting to something that is so far away from linux/unix is not trivial 19:21:40 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:47 <AlexFili> but u said porting was easy 19:21:57 <Bjarni> yeah, if it supports SDL 19:22:04 <Bjarni> I still don't know if it do that 19:22:09 <AlexFili> neither do i 19:22:12 <AlexFili> but theres only one way to test 19:22:20 <Qball> and you still need basic knowledge 19:22:20 <Bjarni> and it's not a sure way to make it easy. It just makes it a lot easier 19:22:28 <AlexFili> :S ok 19:22:38 <AlexFili> and how do i turn the SDL into a .nds file? lol 19:22:48 <_gass_> blathijs: are you there 19:22:55 <Bjarni> ask DS related questions to somebody who knows DS 19:22:59 <blathijs> _gass_: yes 19:23:03 <_gass_> blathijs: i have it 19:23:09 <AlexFili> Bjarni look around :S 19:23:13 <blathijs> _gass_: dcc? 19:23:27 <_gass_> dcc? 19:23:28 <Bjarni> AlexFili: and I don't mean searching for DS people in here 19:23:29 <_gass_> nop 19:23:35 <AlexFili> :S 19:23:35 <_gass_> blathijs: wait please 19:23:46 <_gass_> blathijs: i see that some files are missinstalled 19:23:48 <AlexFili> ok, i'll look into it 19:24:05 <AlexFili> NAME: SDL DS port 19:24:05 <AlexFili> Description: port of SDL 1.2.9 from www.libsdl.org for the Nintendo DS 19:24:08 <AlexFili> is that what you mean? 19:24:22 <_gass_> blathijs: openttd.desktop here http://pastebin.com/591285 19:24:38 <blathijs> lemme see 19:24:54 <_gass_> /usr/openttd.64.png 19:24:55 <_gass_> /usr/openttd.32.xpm 19:25:05 <_gass_> those files should not be there 19:25:11 <blathijs> hmm, indeed 19:25:26 <blathijs> they should be in /usr/share/pixmaps I think? 19:25:27 <_gass_> you have to save the .png as /usr/share/pixmaps/openttd.png 19:25:32 <_gass_> yes 19:25:40 <AlexFili> u still there Bjarni? 19:25:46 <blathijs> _gass_: What does dpkg -L openttd tell you about the location of those icons/ 19:25:59 <_gass_> nop 19:26:02 <_gass_> i am using synaptic 19:26:08 <blathijs> hmm? 19:26:13 <_gass_> sorry 19:26:15 <_gass_> dpkg -L 19:26:16 <blathijs> what's that? 19:26:29 <_gass_> yes 19:26:32 <_gass_> true 19:26:42 <_gass_> dpkg -L 19:26:53 <blathijs> _gass_: getting to a point? 19:26:54 <blathijs> :-) 19:26:57 <_gass_> synaptic <--- gtk debian package manager front end 19:27:01 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> u still there Bjarni? <-- yeah, but I stopped talking about DS, since I don't know the hardware in it 19:27:13 <AlexFili> but you're still giving me the SDL? 19:27:33 <_gass_> blathijs: yes, freedesktop menu integration, icons in bad place 19:27:59 <_gass_> dpkg -L openttd | grep icon 19:28:03 <_gass_> gives nothing 19:28:10 <_gass_> blathijs: r u still there? 19:28:11 <blathijs> _gass_: grep xpm then? 19:28:19 <blathijs> _gass_: since there is no "icon" in openttd.32.xpm 19:28:28 <_gass_> dpkg -L openttd | grep xpm 19:28:28 <_gass_> /usr/openttd.32.xpm 19:28:43 <_gass_> blathijs: that is what i said to you before 19:28:53 <blathijs> hmm, weird 19:28:57 <blathijs> it doesn't do that here :-) 19:29:05 <blathijs> _gass_: what .deb have you got installed? 19:29:12 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> but you're still giving me the SDL? <-- ok, that's it. You are a lost case. At least you should know that you can't use binaries for mac on non-macs 19:29:23 <_gass_> blathijs: trunk 19:29:27 <AlexFili> but u said u were giving me the SDL? 19:29:30 <_gass_> blathijs: compiled from trunk 19:29:39 <blathijs> ah :-) 19:29:40 <Bjarni> just like you can't just move the exe files from windows to your DS 19:29:41 <AlexFili> <Bjarni> ok, I will send you an SDL binary 19:29:54 <Bjarni> it was a joke 19:29:57 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:29:58 <AlexFili> ... 19:30:02 <Bjarni> and you totally missed the point 19:30:07 <AlexFili> um yeah i guess i did 19:30:12 <AlexFili> i am a n00b, what do u expect? 19:30:31 <Bjarni> stupidity 19:30:35 <AlexFili> :S 19:30:38 <AlexFili> look 19:30:41 <AlexFili> you like TTD, I like TTD 19:30:44 <Bjarni> :p 19:30:46 <AlexFili> are we that much different? 19:30:47 <blathijs> _gass_: I think the debian dir in trunk isn't really up to date... 19:31:17 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> are we that much different? <-- yeah, I made a port for my hardware 2 years ago, you have yet to figure out how to do it 19:31:19 <_gass_> blathijs: well ... 19:31:30 <AlexFili> lol 19:31:38 <AlexFili> are u gonna be nice and help me? :p 19:31:50 <Bjarni> I can't 19:31:52 <_gass_> blathijs: need help? 19:32:03 <AlexFili> im not asking you to do it for me 19:32:07 <AlexFili> im just asking whats involved 19:32:12 <Bjarni> you know nothing about the internals of DS and I don't, which means I can do nothing 19:32:13 <AlexFili> so i have a SDL port for DS, what now? :p 19:32:23 <AlexFili> yeah, but i know nothing about SDL and porting 19:32:36 <blathijs> Tron: Good work on the Direction enums and wrappers, I see :-) 19:32:54 <Bjarni> AlexFili: you need to find a DS channel or something 19:32:59 <blathijs> _gass_: well, I just need to commit my local debian dir I use for packaging to trunk I guess 19:33:10 <blathijs> _gass_: Though I did that before release, but apparently not 19:33:14 <AlexFili> um Bjarni, what exactly do i use for the SDL then? 19:33:24 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:33:34 <_gass_> blathijs: can you please fix that, and include the .desktop file? 19:33:46 <Bjarni> AlexFili: it handles drawing on the screen and keyboard input and sound... stuff like that 19:33:53 <_gass_> also ... do you know the intltool? 19:34:01 <AlexFili> so 19:34:14 <AlexFili> what file do i need from my openttd directory to use for the SDL then? 19:34:21 <_gass_> i was told in the #freedesktop that in order to have translated descriptions of openttd have to use that 19:34:32 <blathijs> _gass_: yes, I can 19:34:38 <blathijs> _gass_: s/can/will/ 19:34:40 <Bjarni> AlexFili: asking me to help you make a DS port is like asking me to build a helicopter after I figured out how to build a locomotive... I did a great job in my domain, but it's not like it's possible to move it to your world 19:34:53 <AlexFili> Bjarni 19:34:57 <AlexFili> all im asking is what file i need 19:34:58 <blathijs> _gass_: no, I don't know the tool 19:35:00 <AlexFili> like 19:35:04 <AlexFili> for you to make the psp version 19:35:14 <AlexFili> how did you take the pc code for the SDL? 19:35:22 <Bjarni> I don't know shit about psp either 19:35:27 <_gass_> blathijs: is there anyone to make the internationalization? 19:35:28 <Bjarni> I didn't touch that port 19:35:31 <AlexFili> ok then 19:35:36 <AlexFili> how did you get the code for whatever port you made 19:35:46 <AlexFili> what im trying to say is 19:35:51 <AlexFili> i have the SDL, and i have a DS 19:36:02 <AlexFili> but, how do i get transport tycoon to work with the SDL? 19:36:10 <AlexFili> :S do i need the source? or what? 19:36:11 <Bjarni> I downloaded the source from the svn server and then I started reading developer.apple.com to figure out how my OS works 19:36:16 <Tron> AlexFili: please ask only question when you roughly have an idea what the question means 19:36:22 <Tron> +s 19:36:25 <Bjarni> and then I learned enough to write some code so it compiled 19:36:28 <Qball> he he 19:36:36 <AlexFili> Tron maybe you should put yourself in a noobs shoes for once? :S 19:36:56 <Tron> have you a clue about the internals of a DS? no 19:37:03 <Tron> have you a clue about programming? no 19:37:05 <Bjarni> AlexFili: I think the message is clear: go to some DS place on the net and learn about the basics of porting 19:37:06 <Qball> AlexFili: you need to know *something* before starting 19:37:11 <Bjarni> or get somebody there to do it for you 19:37:12 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:37:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 19:37:16 <Tron> have you a clue about what even SDL is? no 19:37:21 <AlexFili> Tron im doing a course in computer games, of course i know programming 19:37:28 <Belugas_Work> AlexFili, maybe you should start to get OUT of those shoes, for once... 19:37:28 <AlexFili> Tron, bjarni just told me what SDL is 19:37:35 <Bjarni> ... 19:37:41 <AlexFili> Belugas_Work and you saying that to me is helping me? 19:37:46 <Tron> blathijs: thanks 19:38:08 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> Tron im doing a course in computer games, of course i know programming <-- learning how to write loops and stuff is not enough to actually do hardware specific tasks 19:38:10 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:38:16 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:38:16 <AlexFili> Bjarni i didnt say it was 19:38:18 <Belugas_Work> A quick in the butt is better then a slap in the face. 19:38:34 <AlexFili> quick in the butt? 19:38:35 <Born_Acorn> Anything erails been done? 19:38:38 <AlexFili> sounds like someone else is a n00b 19:38:56 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: Celestar worked on it today 19:39:09 <Born_Acorn> ooh 19:39:13 <Bjarni> but then he switched to work on something to earn money instead 19:39:16 * Born_Acorn wants erails. 19:39:18 <Tron> <AlexFili> Tron im doing a course in computer games, of course i know programming <-- no you don't, otherwise you wouldn't ask those questions which hardly make sense 19:39:23 <Bjarni> something about needing the money for rent and food 19:39:42 <AlexFili> Tron, like i said to Belugas_Work either say something nice, or just shut up 19:39:44 <Belugas_Work> Simple : it means that quicking your butt makes a reaction. If you're a decent intelligent person, you'll get the message and start learning 19:39:51 <Belugas_Work> about programming and SDL and DS 19:39:55 <Born_Acorn> When I was a boy we coded our open source games on the streets! 19:40:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 19:40:09 *** AlexFili was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [don't tell developers to shut up. Specially not when they are right] 19:40:13 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:15 <AlexFili> ;op 19:40:18 *** AlexFili was kicked from #openttd by Tron [ok, then shut up] 19:40:22 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:22 <Qball> ha ha 19:40:25 <AlexFili> ... 19:40:36 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!n=AlexFili@*.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] by Bjarni 19:40:49 <Bjarni> ahh 19:40:55 <hylje> :x 19:41:04 <Belugas_Work> peace at last! Muchas gracias Semor 19:41:05 <Bjarni> it appeared that it was needed 19:41:16 <hylje> then someone comes around and yells "NAZIOPS" 19:41:22 <Qball> where? 19:41:36 <Bjarni> congratulations AlexFili. You are the first I have banned in more than half a year 19:41:44 *** mode/#openttd [-b AlexFili!*@*] by Bjarni 19:41:50 <Bjarni> AlexFili: learned your lesson? 19:41:52 *** Gussoh^ is now known as Gussoh 19:41:54 <Qball> naah 19:42:28 <hylje> Bjarni: psst, you didnt unban him just yet 19:42:41 *** mode/#openttd [-b AlexFili!*@*] by Bjarni 19:42:49 <hylje> try -b *!n=AlexFili@*.range86-143.btcentralplus.com 19:42:50 <Bjarni> hmm 19:43:06 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!n=AlexFili@*.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] by Bjarni 19:43:16 <Bjarni> now unban worked 19:43:37 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:43:41 <hylje> :-D 19:43:45 <Bjarni> :D 19:43:58 <_gass_> blathijs: well ... please mail me when you update the svn, please 19:44:18 <Bjarni> _gass_: join the svn mailing list 19:44:22 * Qball tries to port openttd to his watch... 19:44:27 <Qball> how do I do that 19:44:31 <Bjarni> then you will get an email each time somebody commits something awesome 19:44:48 <Bjarni> which means, whenever somebody commits anything 19:44:48 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:48 <_gass_> Bjarni: i know 19:44:50 <AlexFili> hi 19:45:01 <blathijs> _gass_: Just check the svn logs :-) 19:45:06 <AlexFili> thanks for unbanning me 19:45:08 <blathijs> _gass_: I will do it tonight 19:45:12 <_gass_> blathijs: :( 19:45:15 <blathijs> (busy now) 19:45:23 <_gass_> ok, no problem 19:45:23 <Bjarni> Qball: first you go to the tallest building in your town. Then you climb onto the roof and jump 19:45:29 <Bjarni> In heaven you can do whatever you like 19:45:34 <Qball> let me try 19:45:35 <AlexFili> lol 19:45:50 <Born_Acorn> I tried that. It isn't as good as the reviewers said. 19:46:01 <hylje> but make sure the reaper isnt disabled at the time you jump 19:46:07 * _gass_ to see liverpool - benfica .... GO BENFICA 19:46:15 <AlexFili> and turn off antigrav and godmode too 19:46:40 <Bjarni> AlexFili: the joke is on you, yet once again you missed it :p 19:46:47 <Bjarni> [20:44] * Qball tries to port openttd to his watch... 19:46:48 <Bjarni> [20:44] <Qball> how do I do that 19:46:55 <AlexFili> :s oh lol 19:47:21 <CIA-5> tron * r3796 /trunk/roadveh_cmd.c: When unmagicfying code, do it Right(tm) and also give the variables sensible names. I flipped a 'b' and a 'd' in r3785 19:47:31 * AlexFili wishes that the DS was the only portable console 19:47:50 <Bjarni> AlexFili: go seek some real DS coder if you are serious about getting a working port 19:47:54 <AlexFili> ok 19:48:01 <blathijs> _gass_: I meant busy with sorting stuff out and committing it, actually ;-) 19:48:32 <AlexFili> ok, i have the DS SDL, anything else i need? 19:48:44 <Prof_Frink> A clue? 19:48:56 <AlexFili> a psp? lol 19:49:09 <Qball> kick in the butt? 19:49:13 <blathijs> AlexFili: Have you ever compiled openttd for your normal PC? 19:49:18 <AlexFili> blathijs, no 19:49:27 <blathijs> AlexFili: That would be a start, I guess 19:49:37 <AlexFili> is it hard to do? 19:49:53 <Torrasque_> it's on the wiki 19:49:58 <glx|away> AlexFili: try to compile an already working version before starting to port it 19:50:12 <AlexFili> isnt there a pre-compiled version of 0.4.5 19:50:13 <AlexFili> ? 19:50:21 <Qball> yes 19:50:22 <Vornicus> 19:50:27 <Qball> but you might learn anything from it 19:50:32 <AlexFili> oh ok then 19:50:34 <AlexFili> i'll give it a go 19:50:35 <AlexFili> thanks 19:50:35 <Qball> it surely doesn;t hurt 19:50:39 <blathijs> AlexFili: yes, but porting involves compiling 19:50:40 <blathijs> a lot 19:50:47 <AlexFili> k 19:50:52 <AlexFili> so 19:51:00 <AlexFili> im guessing if i took the TTD 19:51:08 <AlexFili> and put it onto the DS, it would be a miracle to work first time right? 19:51:23 <Bjarni> AlexFili: go ask a DS coder how to do this 19:51:36 <blathijs> AlexFili: yes :-) 19:51:40 <AlexFili> Bjarni i will 19:51:41 <AlexFili> ;) 19:51:51 <Bjarni> if you have a working SDL port, a veteran coder might do it in virtually no time 19:52:08 <Bjarni> that is, unless the hardware is weird :p 19:52:08 <AlexFili> :o 19:52:18 <AlexFili> Bjarni it has a touch screen and 2 screens 19:52:23 <AlexFili> could it get any more weird? 19:52:36 <hylje> yes. try perl. 19:52:39 <Bjarni> well, it would only use one screen 19:52:46 <AlexFili> :o 19:52:54 <blathijs> hmm, somehow I think my debian packaging is stuck in an infinite loop. Either that, or openttd trunk takes 10 minutes to compile nowadays... 19:52:55 <AlexFili> couldnt it just be treated like one big screen split in half? 19:53:04 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:05 <blathijs> hmm 19:53:07 <blathijs> it finished 19:53:08 <blathijs> wtf 19:53:18 <Bjarni> and if the touch screen is supported by SDL, it should not be a problem 19:53:24 <blathijs> it finished, breaking on the lack of scenarios, though 19:53:30 <Bjarni> AlexFili: you got a picture of such an odd device? 19:53:34 <AlexFili> :s 19:53:35 <Bjarni> it sounds alien to me 19:53:40 <AlexFili> i'll find one lol 19:53:53 <AlexFili> http://www.acercadeinternet.com/images/foto-nintendo-ds.jpg 19:54:21 <AlexFili> can anyone tell me what program i need to compile the windows ttd? 19:54:39 <blathijs> AlexFili: have you checked the wiki? I think it's on there 19:54:42 <Bjarni> <flame> hmm when you have dialup, u download jpegs to wank over. when you have broadband you download mpegs to wank over... when you have 100mbit, u download DVD rips of pr0n films to wank over 19:54:43 <Bjarni> <riski> when you have 14.4 you get laid irl. 19:54:46 <AlexFili> :s i cant find anything blathijs 19:54:49 <Bjarni> I better cancel my broadband then 19:54:49 <AlexFili> can u point it out to me? 19:55:02 <blathijs> Compiling_OpenTTD the page is called IIRC 19:55:08 <Tron> blathijs: if you hit direction related stuff i missed, please tell me 19:55:24 <BurtyB> Bjarni if i get out my 2400 do i get an orgy? 19:55:29 <blathijs> Tron: will do (or will fix myself :-) 19:55:35 <AlexFili> um blathijs, no luck with either of those 19:55:45 <Bjarni> BurtyB: interesting theory 19:55:52 <Bjarni> we better test it 19:55:56 <blathijs> Tron: I introduced the direction enums a while back, but never got around to actually pushing them into the rest of the code then 19:56:12 <Bjarni> AlexFili: what is the resolution on those screens? 19:56:19 <AlexFili> 256x192 19:56:23 <AlexFili> but theres 2 of them 19:56:36 <AlexFili> so its 256x39(something) 19:56:42 <Torrasque_> AlexFili : http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Development:Main_Page then go to the coding tool, and choose the tool you want to use 19:56:51 <AlexFili> ah thanks 19:57:25 <AlexFili> which windows one is best? 19:57:25 <Vornicus> 386 19:57:36 <Vornicus> 384 rather 19:57:37 <blathijs> Tron: Bjarni: What was up with the empty scenario dir breaking the makefile? 19:57:47 <Bjarni> AlexFili: I will not even try to port to anything smaller than 640x400 19:57:56 <blathijs> suggestions for a solution? (Place a dummy file in the scenario dir? :-) 19:57:58 <AlexFili> Bjarni how do you explain the psp then? :p 19:58:16 <Bjarni> blathijs: as I said earlier: Darkvater decided not to keep the .scn files in svn for some reason 19:58:26 <Bjarni> AlexFili: simple: I didn't do it 19:58:28 <AlexFili> btw Bjarni, i thought you werent gonna port the DS anyway? changed your mind? :p 19:58:34 <Torrasque_> AlexFili : this one is easy to understand http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Cygwin 19:58:43 <AlexFili> ok, im downloading that now, thanks Torrasque_ 19:58:55 <hylje> gcc :> 19:59:10 <Bjarni> AlexFili: no, I just made a statement that I would not even port to anything with a screensize that small 19:59:19 <AlexFili> lol 19:59:25 <Bjarni> you will not be able to actually play on it 19:59:27 <AlexFili> at least its not GBA lol 19:59:27 <Tron> blathijs: ? 19:59:32 <Bjarni> it can't display the whole toolbar 19:59:33 <AlexFili> Bjarni yes i will 19:59:41 <AlexFili> Bjarni neither could the psp 19:59:51 <blathijs> Tron: The make install breaks on "scenario/*", since the scenario dir is empty 20:00:03 <AlexFili> besides, who says i cant use 2 lines for the toolbar? :p 20:00:15 <blathijs> Tron: Suggested (hack-ish) fix: Put a "README" file in scenario/ stating you can put scenarios there 20:00:46 <Tron> just remove the scenario install 20:00:47 <Bjarni> AlexFili: it will not be added to svn and to be honest, I would not write something when I know it will not be added even before it's written 20:00:49 <hylje> blathijs: for the user, that is quite "O RLY" 20:00:50 <Bjarni> waste of time 20:01:24 <AlexFili> svn? 20:01:31 <Bjarni> <blathijs> Tron: Suggested (hack-ish) fix: Put a "README" file in scenario/ stating you can put scenarios there <-- why not have the actual scenarios in there? 20:01:38 <hylje> AlexFili: subversion 20:01:42 <AlexFili> oh 20:01:46 <Bjarni> AlexFili: our source server 20:02:00 <Bjarni> AlexFili: you need to learn stuff to reach the n00b level 20:02:06 <Tron> Bjarni: ask Darkvater why he removed them, i don't know 20:02:12 <AlexFili> if i could make the ttd ds better then psp, that would be something :p 20:02:35 <blathijs> Bjarni: since their data and not version-specific I guess? Also, removing them from the source package saves a lot of room? 20:02:39 <AlexFili> at least theres less problems with firmware 20:02:44 <Bjarni> Tron: I will, but he have yet to return 20:03:27 <Tron> Bjarni: just checked the svn log, not very enlightening 20:03:35 <Bjarni> blathijs: the svn server should not run out of disk space AND we do not change them, so they would not use up so much space 20:03:52 <AlexFili> Bjarni if i get the ds ttd working, can u make a DS server pls? 20:03:54 <peter1138> hi 20:03:55 <CIA-5> rubidium * r3797 /branch/tfc_newmap/road_map.c: [tfc_newmap] - Let HasRoad use GetRoadBits instead of the other way around 20:03:59 <blathijs> Bjarni: no, not in svn, but in the source tgz I meant 20:04:20 <Tron> <Bjarni> blathijs: the svn server should not run out of disk space AND we do not change them, so they would not use up so much space <--- deleting them actually caused they use up a little more space than before in the repo 20:04:24 <peter1138> mmm, chicken stirfry 20:04:29 <Bjarni> they are missing in the 0.4.5 source tarball as well? 20:04:36 <AlexFili> mmm, ttd 20:05:21 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:06:26 <AlexFili> so 20:06:39 <AlexFili> is there any difference to the source that i compile and the pre-compiled version? 20:07:09 <Bjarni> hopefully not 20:07:14 <AlexFili> k 20:07:41 <AlexFili> Bjarni about what you were saying about resolution, imagine if the psp person had said that 20:07:59 <glx|away> AlexFili: maybe png and zip support (if you don't have those libs) 20:08:04 <AlexFili> oh lol 20:08:16 <AlexFili> glx|away is that important? 20:08:42 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> Bjarni about what you were saying about resolution, imagine if the psp person had said that <-- is it added to svn? no, so it actually got a problem 20:09:06 <glx|away> AlexFili: without zip you can't open compressed savegame from the same version, and png is just for screenshot 20:09:23 <AlexFili> oh 20:09:27 <AlexFili> and if i have the libs for them? 20:10:01 <glx|away> you'll obtain the same ottd as pre-compiled :) 20:10:09 <AlexFili> :D cool 20:10:10 <Bjarni> glx|away: the future plan is to store sprites in png, so it's kind of important ;) 20:10:18 <AlexFili> Bjarni :o 20:10:42 <glx|away> Bjarni: yeah but for now it's just for screenshot :p 20:10:42 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:11:12 <AlexFili> so i need source.tar? 20:11:14 <Bjarni> we will discontinue ports if they lack png when we get that far 20:11:18 <AlexFili> whats bz2 and gz? 20:11:26 <Qball> *sniff* 20:11:28 <AlexFili> :o, i'd better make sure png is in then lol 20:11:35 <AlexFili> it would be funny if psp didnt 20:11:44 <AlexFili> then everyone be like OMFG DS TTD FTW! 20:11:53 <AlexFili> or not :p 20:12:02 <Torrasque_> But, how would you play ? 20:12:06 <AlexFili> brb 20:12:09 <AlexFili> with my ds lol 20:12:53 <Torrasque_> ... 20:13:17 <Torrasque_> How the DS store the game? 20:13:44 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:14:14 <Bjarni> this makes me think of the turn of the century: "omg I got an automobile. Now I can go 25 km/h whenever I want. But somehow it's still not as good for long time usage compared to the railroad that goes say 100 km/h" 20:14:30 * Qball looks for a jtag interface on his watch 20:14:42 <hylje> train is still faster than automobiles 20:14:49 <hylje> its just that it needs tracks 20:15:09 <Bjarni> but today cars don't overheat their engines all the time 20:15:14 *** glx|away is now known as glx 20:15:44 <hylje> i would rather go by train than car/bus if tracks went between this area and where my school is 20:18:21 <Bjarni> good point 20:18:36 <Bjarni> make them build the tracks then 20:18:54 <hylje> i wish i could :-) 20:18:55 <hylje> (legally) 20:19:02 <Bjarni> if you are lucky (or dumb), you can use it the last year at that school 20:19:13 <hylje> actually 20:19:33 <hylje> im planning to move somewhere along the tracks sometime soon 20:19:48 <Bjarni> that would be quicker than getting them to build new tracks 20:20:01 <hylje> obviously 20:20:25 <Bjarni> "somewhere along the tracks"... not too close I hope 20:20:43 <Bjarni> it's no fun to have the train passing 2 meters away 20:20:43 <hylje> :-) 20:21:16 <Bjarni> it's ok when you do something on the railroad, but not really when you get home 20:21:19 <hylje> really, in <.5km from nearest station :-) 20:21:25 <Bjarni> specially if you miss curtains :p 20:22:05 <Bjarni> lol, I just realised something 20:22:33 <Bjarni> if you lived somewhere without curtains so everybody from the train could see everything... what kind of girlfriend would you get? 20:22:41 <hylje> :-] 20:22:47 <Bjarni> the exhibitionistic one or the drugged one? 20:22:56 <hylje> the pr0n* one 20:23:01 <hylje> i spose 20:23:57 <hylje> but anyway, iron curtain is the way to go :-) 20:24:35 <Bjarni> actually it's kind of funny to hear people talking in a place so close to the tracks 20:24:48 <Bjarni> I mean people, who are used to be there 20:25:04 <Bjarni> they talk, pauses when the train passes and then continues like nothing happened 20:25:17 <AlexFili> im back 20:25:27 <Bjarni> :( 20:25:31 <CIA-5> tron * r3798 /trunk/roadveh_cmd.c: Fix typo in r3795 20:25:39 <AlexFili> :S im not that bad once u get to know me :p 20:25:59 <hylje> usually people stop talking when something disrupts 20:26:02 <AlexFili> i wouldnt sabotage :p 20:26:03 <hylje> and continue after disruption end 20:26:15 <XeryusTC> have you guys seen this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=414504#414504 ? 20:26:35 <AlexFili> what does it say? 20:27:08 <Bjarni> hylje: yeah, but I mean they aren't affected by the interruption at all. Usually people are 20:27:31 <Bjarni> AlexFili: click the link so we don't have to copy paste it for you 20:27:54 <AlexFili> lol 20:28:11 <AlexFili> zimmlocks? 20:28:24 <AlexFili> wow 20:28:27 <hylje> in my experience normal people just pause when someone / some big thing such as bus, train passes nearby; because of either eavesdropping or just noise 20:28:29 <AlexFili> he turned the stadium into a prison :D 20:28:41 <hylje> and generally the topic continues after :-) 20:29:45 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 20:31:44 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:31:48 <MeusH> hello 20:31:59 <AlexFili> hi 20:32:07 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:32:16 <AlexFili> im making a ds port for ttd :p 20:32:30 <Bjarni> lol 20:32:43 <Bjarni> ok, the self confidence is not lacking 20:32:47 <AlexFili> :D 20:32:49 <AlexFili> u bet 20:34:18 <hylje> :> 20:36:00 <AlexFili> so Bjarni, how hard was the mac port? 20:36:27 <AlexFili> i guess u had to sort out the RMB thing? 20:39:16 <Bjarni> AlexFili: tricky since it was the fist big endian port 20:39:25 <Bjarni> *first 20:39:38 <AlexFili> endian sounds like a weird word 20:39:39 <Bjarni> now the code is aware that not every computer is little endian 20:39:41 <AlexFili> kinda like indian :S 20:40:22 <Bjarni> then tokai started porting to MorphOS and he didn't have any endian issues... talk about fairness :p 20:40:35 <Bjarni> to begin with I could not even compile lng files myself 20:40:42 <AlexFili> :o 20:40:52 <Bjarni> or read savegames saved on little endian computers 20:41:10 <AlexFili> ok 20:41:11 <AlexFili> im stuck 20:41:20 <peter1138> red endians 20:41:21 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> or read savegames saved on little endian computers <-- now I will write that line when it's read with the wrong endianess 20:41:24 <AlexFili> im in the cygwin program... but i dunno what to do now 20:41:39 <AlexFili> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Cygwin can anyone help me out from step 12? 20:41:50 <Bjarni> r ro dea evasemagas s 20:41:53 <Bjarni> and so on 20:42:05 <Bjarni> switched so it lost the meaning 20:42:57 <MeusH> IIRC I've got little endian... AMD Athlon, am I right? 20:43:08 <Bjarni> yeah 20:43:17 <Bjarni> everything able to run windows is little endian 20:43:56 * tokai|ni praises Bjarni who did all the hard work. 20:44:06 <SpComb> he stole it off the wikipedia 20:44:11 <Bjarni> the issue is that it's a choice if a CPU type is one type or another. Just like left or right side driving 20:44:43 <blathijs> AlexFili: can you launch Cygwin? 20:44:45 <Bjarni> both works, but you are screwed if you think it's one and acts like it and it turns out to be the other one 20:45:00 <AlexFili> blathijs yeah 20:45:02 <AlexFili> but ive got a problem 20:45:08 <AlexFili> i cant find makefile.cfg 20:45:13 <Bjarni> hehe 20:45:14 <Bjarni> run 20:45:18 <Bjarni> make upgradeconf 20:45:22 <Bjarni> and it will be created 20:45:34 <AlexFili> no rule to make target 'upgradecont' 20:45:35 <AlexFili> *conf 20:45:37 <AlexFili> Stop. 20:45:49 <Bjarni> then do as the wiki says 20:45:51 <Bjarni> make clean 20:45:57 <MeusH> thanks Bjarni 20:45:58 <AlexFili> Bjarni i did, but thats where i got stuck 20:46:05 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has joined #openttd 20:46:08 <AlexFili> No rule to make target clean :S 20:46:18 <Bjarni> you are in the wrong dir then 20:46:25 <Bjarni> you need to go into the source dir 20:46:25 <AlexFili> um 20:46:31 <AlexFili> where does 'trunk' come from? 20:46:39 <Bjarni> that's the source dir 20:46:42 <Bjarni> go into that one 20:46:44 <AlexFili> ... 20:46:47 <AlexFili> there is no trunk directory 20:47:24 <glx> if you are in source dir, you are in trunk 20:47:27 <blathijs> AlexFili: You have downloaded and unpacked the source to somewhere? 20:47:33 <AlexFili> um yeah 20:47:41 <AlexFili> i unpacked it to C:\cygwin\usr\src\openttd 20:47:43 <blathijs> AlexFili: or checked out a copy from svn? 20:47:48 <blathijs> then you should go there 20:47:55 <AlexFili> go where? 20:47:58 <blathijs> "cd C:\cygwin\usr\src\openttd" 20:48:04 <blathijs> and then do the make stuff 20:48:16 <glx> cd /usr/src/openttd in cygwin shell 20:48:23 <AlexFili> im there 20:48:26 <AlexFili> but the make stuff isnt working 20:48:36 <AlexFili> No rule to make target 'clean' 20:48:45 <blathijs> ("make clean" means "look for a file called "Makefile" in the current directory, and look in it how to do "clean" " 20:48:58 <blathijs> AlexFili: is there a file called "Makefile" there? 20:49:08 <blathijs> or only a folder openttd-0.4.5 perhaps? 20:49:20 <AlexFili> hang on i'll find out 20:50:01 <AlexFili> ah ok it works now 20:50:08 <AlexFili> ===> cleaning up 20:50:17 <Bjarni> AlexFili: just wondering... are you a US citizen? 20:50:24 <AlexFili> no, UK 20:50:31 <Bjarni> ok 20:50:38 <Bjarni> there goes that theory 20:50:38 <AlexFili> "open Makefile.config in your favourite text editor." <<< where do i find tht 20:50:53 <Bjarni> ... 20:51:03 <Bjarni> how do you find your favourite text editor? 20:51:09 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili: `vim Makefile.config` 20:51:09 <Bjarni> is that the question? 20:51:10 <AlexFili> no 20:51:11 <AlexFili> makefile 20:51:13 <AlexFili> .cfg 20:51:21 <AlexFili> where is makefile.config 20:51:22 <Bjarni> Makefile.config 20:51:35 <Bjarni> it is created in the source dir when you ran make clean 20:51:37 <AlexFili> i just see makefile (file) 20:51:44 <glx> and you should do "make upgradeconf" 20:51:44 <AlexFili> thats weird, i dont see it anywhere 20:51:55 <AlexFili> oh wait 20:51:56 <AlexFili> its done it 20:51:59 <AlexFili> i just had to click refresh 20:52:00 <Bjarni> it's Makefile.config, not makefile.config 20:52:12 <Bjarni> ... 20:52:46 <AlexFili> um 20:52:52 <AlexFili> is makefile.config meant to be messy? 20:52:57 <AlexFili> because theres lots of boxes and # everywhere 20:53:15 <Qball> *sniff* 20:53:16 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili: open it in a *real* text editor 20:53:32 <AlexFili> i thought notepad was :o 20:53:33 <Prof_Frink> One that supports unix newlines 20:53:45 <BurtyB> lol 20:53:49 <AlexFili> AH 20:53:53 <AlexFili> it works in wordpad 20:53:54 <AlexFili> thanks :p 20:54:03 <blathijs> hey, we said a *real* text editor 20:54:04 <blathijs> ;-p 20:54:08 * Prof_Frink sends AlexFili to vim.org 20:54:15 <Qball> that is to hard for him 20:54:18 <XeryusTC> to be a fanboy: www.utraedit.com iirc 20:54:24 * peter1138 sends AlexFili to Tesco for hot deli goodness 20:54:26 <blathijs> Prof_Frink: Hey, we want to make progress here, so don't start vimifying him ;-) 20:54:50 <AlexFili> thanks peter1138 20:54:57 <MeusH> AlexFili: mc (moonlight commander) has a text editor, too 20:55:10 * Prof_Frink sends him the vim trifold quickref 20:55:17 <peter1138> mmm, vim 20:55:19 <MeusH> I'm still learning vim, it's a good editor but it's difficult to start using it 20:55:20 <Qball> mcedit 20:55:32 <peter1138> for ottd, i use either vim... or... vs2005... 20:55:35 <AlexFili> ok 20:55:39 <MeusH> however, "man vim" is a good idea 20:55:41 <AlexFili> fingers crossed guys, im gonna try making it 20:55:41 <peter1138> but never emacs 20:55:48 <Prof_Frink> At least there's no emacsers in here... 20:55:51 <AlexFili> syntax error? :o 20:55:54 <Qball> .. .. .. .. .. 20:55:57 <AlexFili> wtf? :o 20:56:03 <BurtyB> retart? 20:56:07 <AlexFili> :S 20:56:20 <Noldo> vim isn't for everybody 20:56:28 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36698.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:38 * Prof_Frink kills Noldo 20:56:41 <blathijs> MeusH: vim is a wonderful editor, but it has a steep learning curve :-) 20:56:54 <Prof_Frink> But you only have to climb it once 20:57:08 <blathijs> AlexFili: what syntax error? 20:57:10 <MeusH> blathijs: good words 20:57:33 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36698.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:57:38 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:57:43 <Prof_Frink> To be fair, you only need esc, i, :w and :q to get started 20:58:35 <blathijs> MeusH: problem is, there are a lot of people who think "Being easy to learn" is a requirement for being a good piece of software. Which is clearly not correct ;-p 20:59:03 <AlexFili> not sure 20:59:04 <AlexFili> it wont say 20:59:07 <MeusH> Prof_Frink: the problem is I've got problems saving and quitting 20:59:12 <AlexFili> sh.exe 'command not found' 20:59:23 <MeusH> each time i :q it asks me for something then goes back to edit mode 20:59:29 <MeusH> but I'll learn it soon, I think 20:59:53 <MeusH> AlexFili: seems you're using windows - it won't work like that in "Run" window 21:00:24 <Prof_Frink> MeusH: You sound suspiciously like Clippy there... 21:00:31 <AlexFili> um 21:00:34 <MeusH> things like "regedit" are coded to a file (don't remember which one), which links "regedit" command to regedit patc 21:00:36 <AlexFili> so what do i do? 21:00:50 <MeusH> enter full patch 21:00:56 <Prof_Frink> "It seems like you're using Windows... Would you like me to install some spyware for you [yes] [yes]" 21:01:05 <AlexFili> full patch? 21:01:09 <Prof_Frink> path 21:01:28 <MeusH> yes, C:\documents and settings\user\my documents\directory\sh.exe 21:01:37 <MeusH> shame windows doesn't have TAB autocompletion 21:01:53 <AlexFili> cant i just shove sh.exe into the bin folder? 21:01:54 <hylje> thus windows is teh sucks 21:01:58 <MeusH> oh, sorry, I often confuse path and patch 21:02:36 <AlexFili> btw 21:02:42 <AlexFili> sh.exe is actually in my bin folder :S 21:02:46 <blathijs> AlexFili: isn't sh.exe already in the cygwin bin folder? 21:02:50 <AlexFili> um yeah blathijs it is 21:03:30 <blathijs> AlexFili: so, you type "make" and it says immediately "sh.exe: command not found" or something? 21:03:33 <AlexFili> _/bin/sh.exe: gcc: command not found 21:03:36 *** TinoDidri [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:03:58 <AlexFili> it says that 4 times 21:04:06 <AlexFili> then 21:04:07 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili: start -> run -> cmd 21:04:15 <AlexFili> ==> compiling and linking endian_check.exe 21:04:15 <Prof_Frink> bash 21:04:20 <AlexFili> make: gcc: command not found 21:04:21 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:04:32 <AlexFili> make: *** [endian_check.exe] error 127 21:04:40 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 21:04:41 <glx> AlexFili: it seems you don't have a compiler 21:04:53 <AlexFili> i thought cygwin was the compiler? 21:05:00 <Prof_Frink> no. 21:05:05 <glx> gcc is the compiler 21:05:09 <AlexFili> :S 21:05:14 <AlexFili> so why the hell do i need cygwin? 21:05:15 <glx> cygwin is a posix-like env for windows 21:05:15 <Prof_Frink> cygwin is a *nixism for windows 21:05:29 <AlexFili> is gcc free? 21:05:33 <glx> yes 21:05:38 <AlexFili> where can i get it? 21:05:43 <glx> www.mingw.org 21:05:50 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 21:06:03 <MeusH> how's the wiki? 21:06:08 <MeusH> anything todo for me? 21:06:09 <AlexFili> so glx what am i looking for? 21:06:17 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili: You can install it into cygwin in the setup program 21:06:32 <blathijs> AlexFili: Doesn't the cygwin installer have an option for getting gcc/mingw? 21:06:36 <Tron> AlexFili: you did follow the Cygwin installation instructions in the Wiki, didn't you? 21:06:36 <AlexFili> GCC 3.x? 21:06:43 <AlexFili> i think so 21:06:50 <CIA-5> belugas * r3799 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (26 files in 2 dirs): [tfc_newmap] -synch up to trunk r3792 21:06:53 <AlexFili> maybe i missed something 21:07:08 *** Nubian [n=nubian@gw.wnet.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:07:20 <Tron> maybe you missed half the instructions 21:07:24 <AlexFili> ok 21:07:29 <AlexFili> can i re-enter setup? 21:07:32 <Prof_Frink> yes 21:08:29 *** Nubian [n=nubian@gw.wnet.sk] has joined #openttd 21:08:30 <AlexFili> um ok 21:08:33 <AlexFili> im in package select 21:08:36 <AlexFili> what am i looking for? 21:08:43 <BurtyB> a clue? 21:08:44 <glx> gcc 21:08:52 <AlexFili> what section is it in? 21:09:08 <glx> development I guess 21:09:20 <AlexFili> oh yeha 21:09:21 <AlexFili> so it is 21:10:00 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host86-136-115-146.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:10:00 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-229-226.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:10:25 <AlexFili2> C++ compiler? 21:10:50 <Prof_Frink> no, just regular C 21:11:00 <AlexFili2> c compiler? 21:11:12 <Prof_Frink> aye 21:11:15 <AlexFili2> oik 21:11:22 <glx> you also need headers 21:11:25 <glx> and libs 21:11:29 <Prof_Frink> There's a list of what you need ont' wiki 21:11:36 <AlexFili2> oh ok >_< 21:11:43 * Vornicus eyes makefile.config 21:11:58 <Tron> AlexFili2: read the installation instructions in the wiki, it's all in there 21:12:05 <AlexFili2> ok 21:12:30 <Vornicus> How does this thing determine if it's on mac or morphos? 21:12:37 <AlexFili2> do i need the bin? or src? 21:12:39 <AlexFili2> or both? 21:12:49 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit ["Windows, the best game ever: Try to see how many blue screens you can get per hour and then try to beat that record!"] 21:12:56 <Tron> exactly the stuff which is mentioned in the wiki 21:12:59 <AlexFili2> ok 21:13:13 * Vornicus has gotten himself totally lost, partly because this stuff seems so cyclical. 21:13:37 <Prof_Frink> Vornicus: He's on a loop. 21:13:41 <Prof_Frink> Vornicus: He's on a loop. 21:13:46 <AlexFili2> omg spam lol 21:13:52 <Diablo-D3> your mom is a loop 21:15:03 <AlexFili2> do i need any of this compiler stuff to make the DS version? 21:15:12 <Prof_Frink> *sigh* 21:15:23 <Diablo-D3> This joke is a loop. This joke is a loop. This joke is a loop. This joke is a loop. This joke is a loop. 21:15:30 <Prof_Frink> You'll need a compiler for the DS, yes. 21:15:31 <Qball> AlexFili2: give up while you are still behind.. 21:15:41 <AlexFili2> Qball im too deep 21:15:45 <Diablo-D3> AlexFili2: DS cant run openttfd 21:16:15 <AlexFili2> f? 21:16:19 <Diablo-D3> typo. 21:16:31 <AlexFili2> is psp can, theres no reason why ds cant 21:16:41 <AlexFili2> *if 21:17:00 <Diablo-D3> psp cant. 21:17:06 <Diablo-D3> both lack enough memory 21:17:07 <AlexFili2> ROFLMAO 21:17:11 <AlexFili2> u phail at life 21:17:17 <Diablo-D3> Your mom fails at life 21:17:29 * Vornicus tries to describe his problem. 21:17:29 <Tron> ok guys, that's enough 21:17:29 <Qball> where was the ban 21:17:47 <Bjarni> Vornicus: OSX related again? 21:17:50 <Qball> No mister Tron, Don't kill us 21:17:51 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!n=AlexFili@*.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by Tron 21:17:51 <Vornicus> sorta. 21:17:54 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*i=diablo@*.port.east.verizon.net] by Tron 21:17:55 <Qball> pwetty please 21:18:01 *** AlexFili2 was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Tron] 21:18:03 *** Diablo-D3 was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Tron] 21:18:07 <Bjarni> thanks 21:18:11 <Vornicus> I'm trying to figure out how makefile.config gets filled. 21:18:14 <Bjarni> well, I stopped reading the channel 21:18:31 <Bjarni> Vornicus: read makefiledir/Makefile.libdetection 21:18:35 <hylje> /ignore #openttd PUBLICS ACTIONS 21:18:36 <hylje> ;p 21:18:38 <Vornicus> because the makefile itself depends on it, but... oh really. 21:18:43 <Bjarni> and makefiledir/makefile.configwriter 21:19:36 <Vornicus> aaaaah 21:19:48 <Vornicus> thank you very much! 21:19:52 <peter1138> production last month: 18 tonnes of grain, 18 items of livestock 21:19:52 <peter1138> o_O 21:20:05 <peter1138> profit: -72000 :( 21:20:20 <hylje> peter1138: that farm officially sucks 21:20:39 <MeusH> Excuse me, but what is mode b on IRC? Ban? 21:20:43 <hylje> ban 21:20:50 <hylje> silenced n cant join channel 21:20:50 <Vornicus> that's lower than I thought the minimum was, peter. 21:20:54 <MeusH> ty 21:21:26 <MeusH> is it permament, it will be turned off automaticly, or when someone sets mode -b? 21:21:26 <peter1138> apparently not 21:21:39 <hylje> wont be turned off automagically 21:21:56 <hylje> unless someone enforces the bans to last just some time 21:22:03 <hylje> ie. some kind of bot 21:22:19 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC"] 21:22:27 <MeusH> okay 21:23:31 <blathijs> We're developing a low tolerance for Diablo nowadays, huh? 21:24:03 <Bjarni> he was once banned for months because we forgot that he was banned :p 21:24:23 <peter1138> i bet if i stop service to this farm, it'll increase production 21:24:27 <blathijs> yes, I know 21:25:31 *** tokai|ni is now known as tokaiZzz 21:25:42 <MeusH> peter1138: don't you think the current production alghoritm is weird? 21:25:58 <MeusH> It is really probable that it will drop the production, even if rating is 80% 21:26:29 <MeusH> once I have boosted rating on all my stations to over 65%, but the production was running low 21:29:19 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B84DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 21:31:31 <CIA-5> belugas * r3800 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (road_map.h roadveh_cmd.c): [tfc_newmap] -synch up to trunk r3798 21:32:02 <C-Otto> small weirdness: 21:32:19 <C-Otto> trains go into one station, load partially, exit, reverse, load full, exit... 21:32:24 <C-Otto> i don't get it 21:32:28 <C-Otto> it's a one-direction station 21:32:39 <C-Otto> +reverse after full load 21:34:15 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:34:29 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 21:39:39 * peter1138 cuts services in an attempt to get profitable 21:40:05 <peter1138> at least the hyperdart is making profit (somehow) 21:42:37 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:42:43 *** dfox [n=dfox@r2p136.chello.upc.cz] has quit [No route to host] 21:44:36 *** Nubian [n=nubian@gw.wnet.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:45:15 <Bjarni> LOL, AlexFili just gave me the hardware specs that he is trying to port to 21:45:27 <Bjarni> 4 mb RAM and 67 MHz CPU 21:46:10 <peter1138> should be fine 21:46:13 <peter1138> with a 64x64 map... 21:46:15 <Kjetil> 486 ? 21:46:21 <Prof_Frink> Tell him oTTD is only just playable at 166MHz/32mb 21:46:58 <Prof_Frink> (Although, XFree86 does like to take up a fair amount of ram for itself) 21:47:01 * Kjetil have played/tried to play Ottd on a 486 overdrive.. it would have worked if I had gotten the HW accel on the graphics card working 21:47:12 <KUDr> can it run on my Nokia 6100? 21:47:20 <valhallazzzw> possibly 21:47:32 <hylje> id like a 9300 port 21:47:37 <hylje> :-) 21:47:40 <Bjarni> KUDr: depends on your RAM and CPU power 21:47:50 <Bjarni> it works on Nokia S770 21:47:51 <KUDr> hmmm 21:48:00 <KUDr> really? 21:48:04 <hylje> rly 21:48:11 <hylje> the linux handheld 770 21:48:12 <KUDr> goood 21:48:22 <Bjarni> then again that one got a 800x480 screen 21:48:29 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:48:34 <Kjetil> It also runs on the gp2x 21:48:44 <hylje> this 9300 got 600x200 :x 21:48:48 <Kjetil> (200mhz arm with 64mb ram ) 21:49:04 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 21:58:18 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:58:33 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 21:59:00 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 22:01:46 <Bjarni> nice 22:02:00 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:02:15 <Bjarni> now AlexFili starts to wonder what to do with the include dir in his SDL for DS folder 22:02:58 <Vornicus> 22:02:59 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 22:03:03 <Vornicus> he can't be serious. 22:03:07 <MeusH> Bjarni: is Nokia S770 a "typical" phone, or it has some advanced operating system, like Windows Mobile? 22:03:24 <Bjarni> it got advanced features 22:03:27 <Bjarni> like debian 22:03:41 <MeusH> If someone has ported OTTD to java, I'd like to play it on my Sony Ericsson D750i 22:03:44 <peter1138> gah 22:03:44 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:03:49 <Bjarni> and I'm not sure it can be used as a phone 22:03:51 <peter1138> my income's going up, my profit isn't :( 22:04:03 <Bjarni> it's more like a PDA 22:04:16 <Belugas_Work> your expenses are going up too 22:04:19 <Bjarni> MeusH: not going to happen 22:04:27 <peter1138> yay! 22:04:36 <peter1138> 2057: -5041504 22:04:41 <peter1138> 2058: +60497 22:05:23 * MiHaMiX is pretty sleepy :/ 22:05:25 *** dfox [n=dfox@r2p136.chello.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:05:33 <MiHaMiX> and I still have a lot to do 22:05:46 <peter1138> o_O 22:06:05 <MiHaMiX> migrating 160 users is not a simple work 22:06:25 <peter1138> that farms gone down to 12/12 22:06:32 <MiHaMiX> not even if you know in the evening after 20:00 that you HAD to migrate them tonight 22:07:55 <Vornicus> peter, I think it's a lost cause. 22:09:27 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: easy solution: give all of the migrants a ticket to Titanic so they can migrate in style and they will not be your problem anymore 22:09:58 <Bjarni> [23:06] <AlexFili2> im gonna try another server 22:09:59 <Bjarni> [23:06] <AlexFili2> goodbye 22:10:00 <Bjarni> finally 22:10:09 <BurtyB> heh 22:10:21 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: it's just finished 22:10:49 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/56571 <-- hey, for once people like my quote commit :D 22:11:10 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DE87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:20 <Kjetil> hahaha 22:12:45 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:09 <Bjarni> the best part: it's like he didn't notice my reply in this channel that I quoted there 22:14:40 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> i did find something interesting, DS's SDL might support png 22:14:43 <Bjarni> he's back 22:14:51 <Bjarni> :( 22:15:28 <peter1138> Vornicus: it's gone back up, now :) 22:15:34 <Bjarni> [23:13] <AlexFili> i couldnt find any good channels 22:15:34 <Bjarni> [23:13] <AlexFili> everyone was idling, even in one with 85+ people :S 22:15:39 <Bjarni> we should have done that 22:15:45 <peter1138> to a whopping 18/18 22:16:10 <Bjarni> hehe 22:16:16 <MeusH> Bjarni, you've got + vote 22:16:18 <MeusH> cya 22:16:21 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Cya layer"] 22:16:42 *** Belugas_Work is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:17:04 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-64446.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:06 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-25.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:21:13 <_gass_> blathijs: r u there? 22:21:19 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Success] 22:21:51 <Vornicus> gasp. 22:22:04 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> see you round sometime 22:22:16 <Bjarni> he is threatening me in PM :( 22:22:28 <hylje> omg 22:22:53 <peter1138> do oilrigs close down? 22:23:04 <Bjarni> at least I convinced him that he needs to speak to DS porters instead of us to figure out if the hardware can deal with the demands for OTTD 22:23:12 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:23:14 <Bjarni> peter1138: I think they can 22:26:05 <blathijs> _gass_: yes 22:27:23 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:16 <_gass_> blathijs: oh ... just updated the svn ... no changes 22:29:32 <blathijs> _gass_: no, I'm debugging an issue with debconf right now 22:29:40 <_gass_> lol 22:30:00 <blathijs> _gass_: It appeared something was not working right (seems to occur only after purging and reinstalling the package, though) 22:30:00 * _gass_ sees blathijs VS debconf .... he bets debconf 22:30:17 <_gass_> humm. 22:30:29 <valhallazzzw> but blathijs is dutch 22:30:30 <valhallazzzw> hmmmm 22:30:34 * valhallazzzw runs 22:30:52 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> see you round sometime <--- LOL 22:30:53 <blathijs> valhallazzzw: Running from whom? 22:30:58 <Bjarni> damn 22:31:00 <_gass_> oh ... by the way ... any liverpool supporter here? 22:31:05 <Bjarni> wrong copy paste 22:31:11 <Bjarni> that one was !LOL 22:31:19 <valhallazzzw> from you blathijs 22:31:26 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/18365 <--- LOL @ this one 22:31:26 <valhallazzzw> though you are at the other side of holland :+ 22:31:30 <blathijs> valhallazzzw: hehe 22:31:36 <valhallazzzw> the hague 22:31:42 <valhallazzzw> I have more to fear from the Darkvater 22:31:52 <Bjarni> yeah 22:31:59 <blathijs> Bjarni: hehe 22:32:00 <Bjarni> Darkvater can be cruel 22:32:14 <Bjarni> to bugs 22:32:22 <valhallazzzw> and to people 22:33:29 <valhallazzzw> now I'm off to bed 22:33:29 <valhallazzzw> nn 22:39:01 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:39:31 <blathijs> briljant 22:39:43 <blathijs> The debconf thing I've been debugging turns out to be a feature 22:39:46 <blathijs> *sigh* 22:39:48 <blathijs> time for tea 22:40:27 <Bjarni> MS hidden feature like feature? 22:41:00 <blathijs> nah, just making wrong assumptions 22:41:28 <_gass_> translator.openttd.org is down until when? 22:41:58 <Bjarni> until it is up, I presume 22:42:03 <blathijs> Bjarni: also, slightly lacking documentation 22:42:18 <Bjarni> ahh, I know that 22:43:02 <Bjarni> when compiling an SDL app on OSX, you need to include sdl.h in the same file as main, but the docs don't tell you that 22:43:18 <Bjarni> Vornicus: btw you might want to know that 22:43:20 <Bjarni> ;) 22:43:43 <Bjarni> it can save you a lot of time figuring out why it fails to open an SGC window 22:44:02 <Bjarni> -!- HanSkywalker [~mpolanis@hanskywalker.registered.freenode] has quit ["and /exit were sitting in a park. /exit left, so who was still sitting in the park?"] 22:44:07 <Bjarni> heh, backfire 22:44:09 <Vornicus> Actually that already works fine. 22:44:57 <Bjarni> Vornicus: it will be able to compile, but not to open the window if you skip the include 22:45:00 <Vornicus> and I can /play/ the game now. 22:45:09 <Bjarni> ok 22:45:13 <Vornicus> I just need to bundle it and put in the appropriate libs. 22:45:26 <Bjarni> maybe they fixed that in newer versions of SDL 22:45:55 <Bjarni> Vornicus: remember to link statically in releases for OSX ;) 22:46:26 <Bjarni> most people don't know how to install the libs themselves 22:46:27 <Vornicus> Linking statically means I don't need to put the libs in the package, right? 22:46:32 <Bjarni> yeah 22:46:38 <Vornicus> Okay. How do I go about doing that? 22:47:04 <Bjarni> instead of using sdl-config --libs, you use sdl-config --static-libs 22:47:10 <Bjarni> and so on 22:47:13 <Vornicus> okay. 22:47:29 <Vornicus> It only affects the linking commands, not the compiling commands, right? 22:47:30 <Bjarni> that was one of the easy ones 22:47:39 <Bjarni> some of the libs might cause problems though 22:47:48 <Bjarni> yeah, it's a linking thing 22:48:01 <Vornicus> okay. static libs for SDL, but I'm also using image and mixer... 22:48:21 <Bjarni> dynamic tells the binary where to find the files, while static linking means it reads the libs as .o files and includes the functions it needs when linking 22:49:28 <Bjarni> well, hopefully you can get it to link statically to all the libs that you use 22:49:45 <Bjarni> you don't have to link statically to frameworks though 22:49:56 <Vornicus> does -lSDL_image, for instance, make a static link? 22:50:13 <Bjarni> hmm 22:50:19 <Bjarni> good question 22:50:26 <Bjarni> hopefully 22:50:40 <Bjarni> if not, then there is a plan B 22:51:25 <Bjarni> include all the libs in the bundle and tell the app to link to them there 22:52:21 <Bjarni> that could be easier 22:53:12 <Bjarni> make it open all the libs at @executeable_path/../lib/lib.dylib 22:55:09 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:55:52 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 22:55:52 <Bjarni> Vornicus: LDFLAGS += -headerpad_max_install_names <-- this is needed for plan B since it always reserves max space for lib paths in the binary. If you don't use it, you risk overwriting vital data when you change the path in the executable at a later stage 22:57:30 <Bjarni> then change the path with http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/install_name_tool.1.html 22:58:15 <Bjarni> it was used in the mac port at one time, but it was removed in favour of a better solution 23:00:10 <Vornicus> aha 23:03:21 <Bjarni> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/os/macosx/Makefile?rev=3230 <-- here is how I used to do it 23:03:35 <Bjarni> outdated stuff... that is what svn is really good at digging up :) 23:09:26 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7DE25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 23:10:47 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bed 23:11:14 <blathijs> oeh 23:11:28 <blathijs> TL|Away: Whitespace detection shows linenumbers nowadays? :-D 23:12:43 <CIA-5> matthijs * r3801 /trunk/os/debian/ (11 files in 2 dirs): 23:12:43 <CIA-5> * Update debian packaging files to the ones used for releasing 0.4.5 (see os/debian/changelog for details). 23:12:43 <CIA-5> * Fix a small debconf issue which was in the 0.4.5 release. 23:13:14 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 23:13:28 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:13:40 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 23:13:56 <blathijs> _gass_: *ping* 23:17:45 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 23:21:34 <CIA-5> matthijs * r3802 /trunk/scenario/README: * Add a dummy file in the scenario dir to make the makefile stop complaining on make install (temporary hack). 23:28:57 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:35:46 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:36:28 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:36:45 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 23:37:15 *** Pulec [n=Pulcoj@62.204.255.139] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:39:51 <_gass_> blathijs: pong 23:41:11 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 23:42:23 <blathijs> _gass_: I've committed the fixes 23:42:28 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:29 <blathijs> _gass_: working on the .desktop file now 23:44:16 <_gass_> blathijs: ok ... that file suports translation 23:44:46 <blathijs> I'll settle for just english for now, though 23:46:33 <_gass_> blathijs: gcalctool builds .desktop file for every language supported 23:47:15 <_gass_> in .po files 23:48:18 <_gass_> blathijs: did you coorected this? 23:48:18 <_gass_> openttd (0.4.0.1-5) unstable; urgency=low 23:48:19 <_gass_> * Fixed capitalization of menu item. 23:48:19 <_gass_> * Install xpm icon to /usr/share/pixmaps and don't install png icon, since 23:48:19 <_gass_> it is not used. 23:48:24 <_gass_> corrected 23:48:39 <_gass_> corrected?? <--- this is wrong, is it not? 23:48:58 <blathijs> what is wrong? 23:49:52 <_gass_> the word corected 23:50:01 <_gass_> corrected 23:50:11 <_gass_> -> did you correct this? 23:50:20 <_gass_> well, nevermind 23:50:33 <blathijs> I have no clue what you mean, _gass_ 23:50:50 <_gass_> bad phrase construction 23:50:56 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 23:52:51 <_gass_> blathijs: is the .png file installed? in the changelog you drop it 23:54:22 <blathijs> apparently 23:54:29 <blathijs> I'll probably put it back if needed 23:56:54 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2FF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:12 <Bjarni> it would be cool to support multiple languages in the OS specific files 23:58:32 <Bjarni> maybe that could be an extension to the online translator 23:58:35 <Bjarni> some day 23:59:00 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:59:03 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53589039.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"]