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00:00:04 <RichK__> yup - IN has pbs 00:00:20 <RichK__> r3464 00:00:57 <RichK__> hi DarkSSH - im struggling on a snippet of code - can you help? 00:01:37 <vrak> ah, that IN is from when pbs was in trunk, right ? 00:01:46 <RichK__> very last build 00:01:50 <vrak> that'd explain why i couldn't find it listed 00:02:02 <DarkSSH> RichK__: 'ello airport man ;) 00:02:10 <RichK__> hi DarkSSH 00:02:54 <DarkSSH> you can PM or talk here 00:03:09 <RichK__> im working on my terragenesis, and trying to find a location for an industry, without worrying about level, then flattening the platform 00:03:33 <RichK__> but i want to test whether i can flatten ok, but it doesnt seem to work 00:03:38 <RichK__> code is: 00:03:41 <RichK__> if (CmdFailed(DoCommandP(tile + TileDiffXY(max_x + 1, max_y + 1), tile + TileDiffXY(0,0), 0, 0, CMD_LEVEL_LAND))) 00:03:41 <RichK__> { 00:04:12 <DarkSSH> TileDiffXY(0,0) <-- useless 00:04:20 <RichK__> so im using DoCommandP, max_x max_y are the largest sizes of the industry 00:04:38 <RichK__> i used to have that as (-1,-1)... the (0,0) is for testing ;) 00:04:39 <MeusH> _Luca_, I know what's wrong 00:04:44 <DarkSSH> ok 00:04:48 <RichK__> fire away 00:04:58 <RichK__> BTW, it never fails... 00:04:58 <MeusH> I caught my ISP provider on IM. 1:04 AM :D 00:05:23 <MeusH> My lan is 192.168.1.* The DNS is 192.168.0.3 00:05:23 <DarkSSH> RichK__: well that's possible, but are you sure? 00:05:31 <MeusH> however, I connected my and my dad's comp 00:05:39 <RichK__> it does level the land, but when it cant (cos of obstructions), it doesnt fail 00:05:47 <MeusH> and gave IPs: 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 00:05:53 <DarkSSH> RichK__: eg you can always terraform except for lighthouses and such 00:05:57 <DarkSSH> are you sure it can't? 00:06:05 <MeusH> this confused my computer so it did not connect to DNS, which was in 192.168.0.3 00:06:07 <RichK__> yup 00:06:29 <RichK__> well - it shouldnt... what happens is the industry ends up building itself up the hill 00:06:41 <MeusH> the way to fix it is to change my comp <-> my dad's comp connection's IP range to 10.0.0, instead of 192.168.0 00:07:02 <DarkSSH> just a stupid question, but do you execute it with a DC_EXEC flag? 00:07:12 <RichK__> nope... what does that do? 00:07:16 <DarkSSH> to well...actually flatten the land 00:07:41 <RichK__> it does flatten the land anyway 00:07:45 <glx> RichK__: without the flag it just test if it can (and return cost) 00:08:18 <BurtyB> MeusH fix whatever DHCP server is giving out the different IPs? 00:08:23 <RichK__> hmm... so what should 5th param be?? 00:09:43 <DarkSSH> DC_EXEC 00:09:50 <DarkSSH> to execute 00:09:57 <DarkSSH> DC_QUERY to just ask 00:09:57 <RichK__> what to test? 00:10:00 <RichK__> aha 00:10:03 <RichK__> brb 00:10:06 <DarkSSH> there's also DC_AUTO but don't ask me what it exactly does 00:10:12 <DarkSSH> some *magic* 00:10:34 <DarkSSH> RichK__: command.h:142 00:11:16 <RichK__> i saw DC_AUTO on a previous command, and still couldnt understand DC_AUTO :) 00:11:31 <glx> CMD_LEVEL_LAND | CMD_AUTO ? 00:11:58 <DarkSSH> glx: ? 00:12:18 <glx> I searched for all DoCommandP in code 00:12:34 <glx> I can't find any with DC_EXEC but some use CMD_AUTO 00:13:05 <DarkSSH> well of course you don't find any with DC_EXEC, cause it's always tested first 00:13:21 <DarkSSH> yeah, I think you could use 00:13:25 <RichK__> hmm... DC_QUERY undefined 00:13:25 <DarkSSH> 01:11 < glx> CMD_LEVEL_LAND | CMD_AUTO 00:13:32 <DarkSSH> DC_QUERY_COST 00:13:37 <RichK__> ta 00:13:48 <DarkSSH> but 0 also queries cost :) 00:14:04 <Vornicus> terrafoming is allowed as long as you don't destroy anything in the process; this includes earthworks. Lighthouses and transmitters cannot be destroyed under any circumstances, so you cannot terraform squares with them on them. 00:14:06 <DarkSSH> which you are not interested in anyways since you're in the terrain generator 00:14:36 <Vornicus> there is an attempt currently to make it so you can terraform despite earthworks, but I don't know how well it's going. 00:14:41 <RichK__> ouch! CTD 00:16:50 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:17:01 <DarkSSH> RichK__: you could try CMD_LEVEL_LAND | CMD_AUTO *or* add the DC_EXEC flag for execution 00:17:11 <DarkSSH> this command stuff is pretty confusing :P 00:17:36 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|sleep 00:17:56 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 00:18:00 <MeusH> <BurtyB> MeusH fix whatever DHCP server is giving out the different IPs? <-- excuse me? 00:18:14 <MeusH> Everything has been configured manually 00:18:56 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: still awake? 00:18:58 <RichK__> DarkSSH: no kidding 00:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would an ip of 192.168.0.1 prevent you from using a DNS with ip 192.168.0.3? 00:19:30 <BurtyB> MeusH hmmm well not sure how your network is setup, but you must be doing some internal routing if you expect all those subnets to work on the same "network" 00:19:32 <RichK__> DarkSSH: latest build lowered land mostly ok, but still a couple of errors 00:19:39 <glx> indeed DoCommandP sets DC_FLAG 00:19:47 <glx> *DC_EXEC 00:19:57 <DarkSSH> we know that :) 00:20:24 <DarkSSH> every normal command you send gets executed twice 00:20:39 <DarkSSH> first in query mode to see if it's possible, then for real with DC_EXEC set 00:21:21 <DarkSSH> some commands are the exception however. Like CMD_REMOVE_ROAD because you can't predict that 00:22:08 <glx> CMD_LEVEL_LAND is in the exception list 00:23:10 <MeusH> okay BurtyB 00:23:14 <MeusH> what do you propose? 00:23:19 <MeusH> I'm not much an expert 00:23:23 <MeusH> I've got two networks 00:23:40 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: when will 0.4.5.1 be released? 00:23:41 <MeusH> one, LAN, supplies me with internet, and it is 192.168* 00:24:01 <MeusH> DNS is 192.168.0.3 and I am 192.168.1.61 00:24:08 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: how long are you awake? Id'd like you to test a partly rewritten iconv 00:24:11 <DJFire> LOL 00:24:17 <MeusH> there is a second network - a connection between my two PCs 00:24:25 <DJFire> whats your subnet mask? 00:24:35 <MeusH> it's 192.168.1 connection instead of 10.0.0 00:24:47 <MeusH> mask is 255.255.255.0, on both connections 00:24:49 <RichK__> ive changed to use DoCommandByTile(tile + TileDiffXY(max_x + 1, max_y + 1), tile + TileDiffXY(0,0), 0, DC_QUERY_COST, CMD_LEVEL_LAND) ... and it checks, but doesnt seem to abort 00:25:04 <Bjarni> <DarkSSH> Bjarni: how long are you awake? Id'd like you to test a partly rewritten iconv <-- officially I went to sleep like an hour ago :p 00:25:08 <DJFire> you wont be able to talk between 0.X and 1.X 00:25:27 <glx> RichK__: 4th param is a callback function 00:26:13 <RichK__> so NULL? 00:26:23 <DarkSSH> RichK__: abort what? It depends on the command, some go further after an error, othres stop immediately. But if it returns err you know it didn't work 00:26:40 <DJFire> Meush: quick fix, just use 255.255.0.0 as your netmask 00:27:05 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: what do you want me to test? 00:27:12 <DarkSSH> this 00:27:19 <Bjarni> it should be fairly fast to test. Either it works or it fails 00:27:25 <Bjarni> there is no middle way 00:27:43 <DJFire> lol 00:27:50 <glx> RichK__: DoCommand can use DC_* as param 00:27:58 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: darkvater.openttd.org/iconv.diff 00:28:16 <glx> but DoCommandP can't 00:28:20 <DarkSSH> what do you want with a callback? 00:29:04 <glx> oh I misread, he used DoCommandByTile :P 00:29:58 <glx> RichK__: forgot what I said about callback :) 00:30:04 <DarkSSH> hehe 00:30:06 <MeusH> DJFire: why 255.255.0.0? 00:30:12 <MeusH> What is going to happen? 00:30:23 <MeusH> anyway, what do you mean by saying "0.X and 1.X"? 00:30:42 <DJFire> its going to make the two separate networks into one so they can all talk to each other 00:30:45 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: some totally unrelatd changes in cocoa_s.c because I think those name conflicts are doubly solved 00:31:12 <RichK__> hang on. im compiling ... brb 00:31:28 <DJFire> theres almost no way 192.168.1.X will talk to 192.168.0.X with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 00:31:45 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: shit, bad diff 00:32:04 <glx> RichK__: anyway it seems you are not using DoCommandByTile() with correct parameters 00:32:11 <MeusH> DJFire: My point is not to connect these 00:32:27 <MeusH> my computer shares the internet to my dad's 00:32:34 <MeusH> simply, our comps should be 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 00:32:45 <MeusH> while LAN will be 192.168.*.* 00:32:50 <MeusH> and this should work 00:33:07 <Bjarni> <DarkSSH> Bjarni: some totally unrelatd changes in cocoa_s.c because I think those name conflicts are doubly solved <-- some of those name conflicts are rather hard to make nicer because they conflict with included headers, so the order matters 00:33:18 <DarkSSH> ok relead 00:33:28 <DJFire> 255.255.255.0 != 192.168.*.* 255.255.0.0 == 192.168.*.* 00:33:33 <glx> MeusH: did you set the gateway? 00:34:02 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: the first thing you include in that file is stdafx.h and that includes os/macos/osx_stdafx.h so it should be good no? 00:34:33 <RichK__> yeah, its flattening always, and occasionally reporting that it failed, but then not reacting to it ... grrrrrrr 00:34:39 <DJFire> MeusH: whats the ip/devices that wont talk? 00:35:13 <DarkSSH> RichK__: and if you only execute it with a 0 flag? Then it SHOULD not flatten 00:35:19 <DarkSSH> I mean that would be impossible 00:35:23 <MeusH> DNS and p2p network - it's because my computer confuses the true 192.168.0.3 given by ISP 00:35:38 <MeusH> just because my dad's comp is 192.168.0.2 - it should be 10.0.0.2 00:35:53 <MeusH> what's your opinion? 00:36:12 <DJFire> how many nics you have in the machine? 00:36:22 <DJFire> i know whats happening 00:37:07 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-55.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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It gives me the internet and DNS 00:40:06 <DJFire> k 00:40:26 <MeusH> other cable is plugged to the second network card, and to dad's comp on the other side 00:40:34 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: he, nvm, I'm not going to mess around with this header-labyrinth when I can't even test it :( 00:40:35 <DJFire> you running windows? 00:40:38 <_Luca_> bed time 00:40:39 *** _Luca_ [n=thelucst@84.51.135.171] has left #openttd [] 00:40:40 <MeusH> my computer shares the internet connection so my dad can browse the web 00:40:42 <MeusH> yes, windows 00:40:50 <MeusH> everything is fine, really 00:41:00 <DJFire> did you internet share or bridge connection? 00:41:17 <Bjarni> <DarkSSH> cocoa_s.c:15 <-- that's actually a pretty good question 00:41:21 <MeusH> I just need to set my comp to 10.0.0.1 and dad's to 10.0.0.2 on the "second" cable 00:41:26 <Bjarni> one that I can't answer right now 00:41:42 <MeusH> share it 00:41:52 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: http://darkvater.openttd.org/iconv.diff <-- reload 00:41:54 <DJFire> seems like you bridged and your dad's is pulling an IP from the ISP 00:42:06 <MeusH> no 00:42:08 <MeusH> backwards 00:42:13 <Bjarni> unix.c: In function 'convert_to_UTF8': 00:42:13 <Bjarni> unix.c:628: warning: passing argument 2 of 'strrchr' makes integer from pointer without a cast 00:42:13 <Bjarni> unix.c:629: error: 'buf2' undeclared (first use in this function) 00:42:20 <MeusH> I'm plugged directly to the ISP, to the LAN 00:42:26 <MeusH> my dad is plugged to my computer 00:42:31 <DarkSSH> :s 00:42:43 <DJFire> just set static ips on the two computers lan nics 00:42:45 <MeusH> he needs to turn my comp on in order to surf the web on his comp 00:43:00 <MeusH> yes, 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 you mean? 00:43:02 <DarkSSH> reload 00:43:04 <DarkSSH> or 00:43:06 <DarkSSH> change buf2 to buf 00:43:17 <DJFire> but you will also need a dns server 00:44:32 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 00:44:35 <MeusH> which is given by my ISP - I'm directly plugged to him 00:45:09 <MeusH> the only problem was my dad's comp interfering with DNS. The problem will go away when I change the ips 00:45:29 <DJFire> yes, but your dads computer will drop the request since theres no route to host :-P 00:45:50 <glx> MeusH: which windows are you using? 00:46:08 <MeusH> XP pro 00:46:32 <glx> and you use XP internet connection sharing? 00:46:57 <MeusH> yes 00:47:04 <Bjarni> unix.c: In function 'convert_to_UTF8': 00:47:04 <Bjarni> unix.c:628: warning: passing argument 2 of 'strrchr' makes integer from pointer without a cast 00:47:04 <Bjarni> unix.c:629: warning: passing argument 2 of 'strrchr' makes integer from pointer without a cast 00:47:04 <Bjarni> unix.c:640: warning: return from incompatible pointer type 00:47:13 <Bjarni> ===> Linking openttd 00:47:13 <Bjarni> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: 00:47:13 <Bjarni> _convert_to_fs_charset 00:47:30 <MeusH> thank you guys so much, but I really got to go 00:47:31 <DJFire> MeusH try setting your dads computer's dns to 10.0.0.1 00:47:33 <MeusH> it's so late 00:47:39 <DarkSSH> blah 00:47:39 <MeusH> I'll sleep 5 hours 00:47:42 <DarkSSH> what the 00:47:43 <DarkSSH> hmm 00:47:49 <MeusH> DJFire: okay, I'll try that 00:47:53 <DarkSSH> goddamn, I changed the wrong working copy 00:47:54 <DarkSSH> jk23 00:47:55 <MeusH> I'll remember it 00:47:55 <DarkSSH> 5q 00:48:57 <DarkSSH> annoying... 00:49:14 *** MLnetSupport [n=schamane@p5498FC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 00:49:16 <Bjarni> <DarkSSH> goddamn, I changed the wrong working copy <-- I opened unix.c in the wrong working copy to change buf2, but then it looked wrong, so I realised it almost instantly 00:49:24 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:49:56 <Bjarni> damn, I'm tired 00:50:04 <Bjarni> we will have to continue tomorrow 00:50:05 <MeusH> cya 00:50:07 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:50:08 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: no wait 00:50:10 <DarkSSH> 5 mins :) 00:50:14 <MeusH> thank you so much DJFire and glx 00:50:14 <Bjarni> :s 00:50:17 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 00:50:50 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: why can't it wait? 00:50:59 <Bjarni> you plan to release now? 00:51:37 <Bjarni> I don't think I can last 5 minutes anymore 00:51:41 <DarkSSH> because I am evil :) 00:51:44 <DarkSSH> no release atm 00:51:48 <DarkSSH> only 2 more mins 00:51:48 <Bjarni> I'm really tired all of a sudden 00:53:02 <DarkSSH> ok 00:53:09 <DarkSSH> http://darkvater.openttd.org/iconv.diff 00:53:41 <DarkSSH> forgot to remove all the stupid changes saveload.c/screenshot.c 00:55:43 <DarkSSH> Dvd-beveiliging Xbox 360 gekraakt <-- hehe 00:56:52 <Bjarni> well, it was just a matter of time before it happened 00:57:16 <DarkSSH> well, does it compile? run? crash? 00:57:56 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:58:01 <RichK__> ahh... 00:58:10 <RichK__> i think i have the answer 00:58:16 * Tobin waves 00:58:26 <CIA-5> belugas * r3973 /trunk/lang/french.txt: Update french translation, adding STRING1 where needed, as well as other omissions. Thanks to Darkvater for this opportunity 00:58:29 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:58:57 <RichK__> DarkSSH: Level Land has no "failed" state... it just doesnt level those bits it cant change 00:59:10 <RichK__> damn 00:59:11 <DarkSSH> ah... 01:00:13 <RichK__> certainly if you ingame try to level some land... it doesnt say "no you cant... town in the way"... it just levels what it can 01:00:32 <RichK__> so im guessing no error state 01:00:35 <DarkSSH> I think that's why it's DC_AUTO 01:00:43 <DarkSSH> eh I mean CMD_AUTO 01:01:55 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: judging from your long absense I presume it has compiled and linked and is running and you are testing it at the moment 01:02:05 <DarkSSH> or you are asleep already, just forgot to tell us 01:02:23 <Bjarni> unix.c: In function 'convert_to_UTF8': 01:02:23 <Bjarni> unix.c:621: warning: passing argument 2 of 'strrchr' makes integer from pointer without a cast 01:02:23 <Bjarni> unix.c:641: warning: return from incompatible pointer type 01:02:32 <DarkSSH> WTF AGAIN? 01:02:33 <Bjarni> actually I was away from the keyboard 01:02:37 <DarkSSH> I just changed it to '/' 01:02:49 <DarkSSH> ay..idiot 01:02:52 * DarkSSH slaps head 01:03:00 <Bjarni> openttd(26464) malloc: *** error for object 0x13070e0: double free 01:03:00 <Bjarni> openttd(26464) malloc: *** set a breakpoint in szone_error to debug 01:03:04 <Bjarni> a whole lot of times 01:03:15 <DarkSSH> hmm..could be iconv_close() 01:03:20 <DarkSSH> strange 01:03:23 <Bjarni> we will know 01:03:25 <Bjarni> tomorrow 01:03:26 <DarkSSH> thanks 01:03:28 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:03:29 <DarkSSH> go to bed :) 01:03:31 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x5358901c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:03:34 <DarkSSH> I need you tomor 01:03:38 <DarkSSH> ok, then I don't 01:03:39 <DarkSSH> sjeez 01:04:23 <DarkSSH> gaah 01:04:24 <DarkSSH> idiot 01:04:27 <DarkSSH> ok, it's too late 01:04:34 <DarkSSH> I am braindeaddy 01:05:37 <DarkSSH> gn all :) 01:05:40 <RichK__> im off too... bath then bang head against DoCommandP :) 01:05:55 <RichK__> cya 01:05:58 *** RichK__ [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 01:07:20 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC843BD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:13:40 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3974 /trunk/lang/french.txt: - Typo in r3973, missing } 01:14:19 <Vornicus> narg 01:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean "narf"? ;) 01:15:48 * Vornicus experiences crashing in 3941 during switches from fullscreen to windowed. 01:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> (pinky and brain rule :p) 01:16:15 * Vornicus updates his svn, notes that cocoa_v.m has been updated since then. 01:16:23 <Vornicus> no, narg. 01:20:14 * Vornicus hunts around for a changelog for recent svn updates. 01:25:33 <Vornicus> argl 01:25:39 <Vornicus> arglnargl 01:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> !m 6*.75 01:26:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah 01:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> wrong channel 01:26:34 <glx> !calc 6*.75 01:26:35 <jmp_ghli> >glx> 4.50 01:26:49 <Vornicus> Okay. 3941 and 3974 both crash sometimes when switching between fullscreen and windowed. It seems to happen more often windowed->fullscreen. 01:27:11 * Vornicus tries 3923. 01:27:48 <Vornicus> ...that doesn't work because my language packs have changed. blarg. 01:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: sure, but the maple interface is more powerful ;) (plus i am not known to jmp_ghli) 01:32:58 * Vornicus tries to figure out what to do about this. 01:52:08 <CIA-5> belugas * r3975 /branch/0.4.5/lang/french.txt: 01:52:08 <CIA-5> Update french translation, adding STRING1 where needed, as well as other omissions. 01:52:08 <CIA-5> Thanks to Darkvater for this opportunity. 01:52:08 <CIA-5> No typo this time 01:53:10 <Cipri> Where can I submit simple feature req's? 01:54:02 * Cipri would love to have the buy-land tool be able to select rectagles, and buy land in bulk. 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Belugas_Gone! 06:13:56 <BurtyB> it wasnt me 06:25:14 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 06:26:02 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: ? 06:26:19 <MiHaMiX> Tron: i'm upset on the very same thing 06:48:59 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:50:22 <CIA-5> tron * r3976 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: Fix typo in r3946 07:17:12 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:17:29 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:28:43 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm35.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:28:44 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 07:32:07 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:34:13 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:36:39 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.12.234] has joined #openttd 07:41:02 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:46:06 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm35.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [":o"] 08:00:35 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["tiuq\"] 08:02:43 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:16 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:47 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:20:58 <guru3> good morning 08:21:01 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8264E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:21:08 <KUDr> gm 08:25:04 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x5358901c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:25:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:42:12 <DarkSSH> Tron: ping 08:42:36 <DarkSSH> ugh...sorry 08:44:26 <DarkSSH> wtf iconv() here expects parameter 2 to be const char**, but on this linux pc it's char** 08:44:39 <DarkSSH> can't thet make up their mind? 08:48:24 <Tron> where's "here"? 08:48:36 <DarkSSH> this pc 08:48:58 <Tron> i would've /never/ guessed 08:49:06 <DarkSSH> hehe 08:49:15 <Tron> maybe you could a bit more vague and tell me it's somewhere in the milkyway 08:49:44 <Tron> well, there are several iconv implementations 08:49:47 <DarkSSH> no, definitelky this pc 08:49:59 <Tron> so you're not in the milkyway? 08:50:32 <Tron> pretty good response time for being at least several thousand lightyears away 08:51:13 <Tron> subspace communication? hypepulse generators? hyperspace laser com? 08:51:42 <DarkSSH> pfft... so outdated 08:51:47 <DarkSSH> telepathy 08:52:00 <Tron> telepathy? with the irc server? righto... 08:52:09 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: wiki down? 08:52:24 <DarkSSH> you don't believe me? 08:52:32 <Tron> not exactly 08:52:40 <Tron> now, tell my, what kind of system 08:52:46 * DarkSSH begins to boil Tron's brain from afar 08:52:53 <DarkSSH> thatll teach ya 08:52:55 * Tron yawns 08:53:21 <DarkSSH> Linux tin.liacs.nl 2.4.20-28.7 #1 Thu Dec 18 11:31:59 EST 2003 i686 unknown 08:53:39 <DarkSSH> it's a SUSE 9.0 machine 08:53:50 <Tron> which iconv implementation? which version? 08:54:37 <DarkSSH> hmm, how to se4e? 08:54:48 <Tron> yast probably 08:55:00 <DarkSSH> iconv (GNU libc) 2.2.5 08:55:04 <DarkSSH> possible? 08:55:41 <DarkSSH> I have no such rightshere 08:55:53 <DarkSSH> is the wiki down? 08:56:42 <Bjarni> I think we have a general server problem 08:57:02 <Bjarni> the download locations of elrails are down as well 08:57:11 <DarkSSH> no, svn works 08:57:29 <Bjarni> http://nightly.openttd.org/ is down 08:57:32 <DarkSSH> prolly miha 08:57:42 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: ping 08:57:51 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: what is the server status? 08:58:16 <Tron> 2.2.5? that's ... 4 years old 08:59:07 <DarkSSH> crappy university pc's :( 09:01:41 <Tron> later glibc implementations still seem to be non-const 09:01:49 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3977 /trunk/lang/french.txt: - Change all STRING1's back to STRING in french.txt because these {STRINGn} are only applicable to english.txt. Fixup of r3973. Sorry 09:01:52 <Tron> the opengroup says it has to be const char** 09:01:55 <Tron> so glibc is wrong 09:02:15 <Tron> DarkSSH: don't forget branch/0.4.5 09:02:18 <DarkSSH> yep 09:03:30 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3978 /branch/0.4.5/lang/french.txt: - Change all STRING1's back to STRING in french.txt because these {STRINGn} are only applicable to english.txt. Fixup of r3973. Sorry. Backport of r3977 from trunk 09:05:43 <DarkSSH> tron: http://darkvater.openttd.org/iconv.diff <- what do you think? 09:06:26 <Tron> - retval = iconv(convd, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL); 09:06:30 <Tron> why did you remove this? 09:06:37 <DarkSSH> it is not used 09:06:43 <Tron> semi-wrong 09:06:55 <Tron> the return value is unused 09:07:02 <Tron> so retval should be removed 09:07:16 <Tron> the function call though has side effects 09:07:37 <Tron> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/iconv.html <-- section DESCRIPTION, second paragraph 09:09:13 <Tron> the change in saveload.c seems wrong 09:09:13 <DarkSSH> second paragraph talks abou outbuf/outb uflen not being NU 09:09:14 <DarkSSH> LL 09:09:59 <Tron> "which inbuf is a null pointer" 09:10:12 <DarkSSH> A third case is when inbuf is NULL or *inbuf is NULL, and outbuf is NULL or *outbuf is NULL. In this case, the iconv function sets cd's conversion state to the initial state. 09:10:41 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni, DarkSSH: something happened to apache2 on my server 09:10:43 <Tron> that sentence isn't even on that page 09:10:59 <DarkSSH> I know but your page says 09:11:13 <DarkSSH> For state-dependent encodings, the conversion descriptor cd is placed into its initial shift state by a call for which inbuf is a null pointer, or for which inbuf points to a null pointer. When iconv() is called in this way, and if outbuf is not a null pointer or a pointer to a null pointer 09:11:47 <Tron> it says "__is a null pointer__" not "isn't" 09:11:52 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: something bad? :p 09:11:53 <MiHaMiX> ok, wiki and nightly is working 09:11:53 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:14:14 <MiHaMiX> since I upgraded to apache2 it sometimes happen that apache2 stops responding and a php process took over the controll over tcp port 80 09:14:30 <Tron> convd = iconv_open("UTF-8", "ISO-8859-15"); 09:14:31 <Tron> - if(convd == (iconv_t)(-1)) 09:14:31 <Tron> + if (convd == (iconv_t)(-1)) { 09:14:31 <Tron> + iconv_close(convd); 09:14:39 <Tron> why do you call iconv_close() when opening failed? 09:14:49 <DarkSSH> but anyways... initailizatuion.. so it should only be called once after iconv_open, no? 09:14:49 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: what happened? 09:14:58 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: i don't know yet 09:15:09 <Tron> <DarkSSH> but anyways... initailizatuion.. so it should only be called once after iconv_open, no? <--- no. 09:15:21 <DarkSSH> to do the proper thing? 09:15:29 <Tron> it's should be called every time you convert a new string 09:15:32 <MiHaMiX> [Thu Mar 16 14:33:44 2006] [warn] long lost child came home! (pid 19570) 09:15:34 * DarkSSH has never done iconv before 09:15:38 <Tron> <DarkSSH> to do the proper thing? <-- what proper thing? 09:15:51 <Tron> do you close files which you failed to open? 09:16:57 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm35.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:17:33 <DarkSSH> most of th time not :P 09:22:33 <Tron> hm, this reminds me... 09:22:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 09:22:48 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*i=lauri@*.fi] by Tron 09:22:53 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*i=diablo@*.port.east.verizon.net] by Tron 09:23:02 *** mode/#openttd [-o Tron] by Tron 09:26:09 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 09:28:59 *** Xeryus|sleep is now known as XeryusTC 09:32:06 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176109231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:40:45 *** _Luca_ [n=thelucst@84.51.135.171] has joined #openttd 09:40:47 <_Luca_> Morning 09:43:27 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["icebears... take care of them!"] 09:43:41 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:59 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:59:17 *** KUDr_ [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 09:59:33 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:33 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:00 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:02:09 *** KUDr_ is now known as KUDr 10:04:03 <MiHaMiX> hmm 10:04:12 <MiHaMiX> could someone translate it? 10:04:13 <MiHaMiX> http://cafe.naver.com/ArticleRead.nhn?clubid=11806187&menuid=20&listtype=M&boardtype=L&page=2&articleid=23 10:04:21 <MiHaMiX> it's something related to openttd :) 10:05:09 <DarkSSH> it's newgrf coding 10:05:11 <DarkSSH> ;P 10:05:54 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:04 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [] 10:09:12 <XeryusTC> MiHaMiX: http://www.worldlingo.com/SH0gfCf2o9dPgZLSg7epdEJQxaJP,ZYgK/translate 10:09:53 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:56 <MiHaMiX> XeryusTC: thanks :) 10:10:08 <XeryusTC> np 10:14:03 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:18:40 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:22:57 <DarkSSH> hmm translation doesn't say much to me 10:22:59 <DarkSSH> only boxen 10:23:03 <DarkSSH> peter1138: ping 10:23:30 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:52 <MiHaMiX> hmm 10:27:59 <MiHaMiX> something must be wrong with apache2 10:28:00 <MiHaMiX> 31087 www-data 25 0 328m 58m 6696 S 6.0 1.5 0:53.11 apache2 10:28:09 <MiHaMiX> it eats way too much RAM 10:30:50 <BurtyB> either that or a module its using 10:31:25 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: you mean php5? :) 10:31:36 <BurtyB> possibly 10:34:13 *** dev|ant [i=dev@ppp79-147.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:36:05 <MiHaMiX> hmm 10:36:39 <MiHaMiX> as long as I used apache1.3, it wasn't a problem :) 10:37:39 <MiHaMiX> why does a single gpg command requires 800M of ram??? 10:37:47 <MiHaMiX> 5625 miham 25 0 834m 825m 1132 R 99.9 20.9 13:45.17 gpg 10:38:40 <MiHaMiX> unf*cking-believable 10:38:49 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: how is iconv going? 10:39:12 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: soso, one more hurdle to overcome 10:39:14 <Bjarni> like: eta to when I should spend time on it 10:39:15 <BurtyB> nice amount of cpu usage too MiHaMiX wtf are you encrypting? 10:39:27 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: i'm imorting a keyring 10:39:30 <MiHaMiX> importing 10:39:46 <MiHaMiX> 960M ram 10:40:16 <MiHaMiX> i should've start the import process on a storage server, since that has 8G of ram :D 10:40:16 <Tron> a week ago i saw a process which had used 243 days of CPU time 10:40:23 <Tron> the machine was up for about 250 days 10:40:29 <MiHaMiX> 5625 miham 25 0 1019m 1.0g 1132 R 99.9 25.5 16:27.08 gpg 10:40:37 <MiHaMiX> Tron: nice :) 10:41:12 <MiHaMiX> Tron: my rtorrent had used 598 minutes of CPU time 10:41:54 <Tron> 600 minutes? mere 10 hours! 10:42:13 <Tron> this thing ate 5800 hours of cpu time! 10:43:22 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:44:32 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, but it just run 20 days :) 10:44:52 <MiHaMiX> wow, gpg finished :DDDDD 10:50:27 <Bjarni> after only 20 days? 10:50:45 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:52:06 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?627168 <-- haha, bots are funny 10:52:29 <XeryusTC> isn't there some kind of command to send all trains to a depot for servicing? 10:52:36 <Bjarni> no 10:52:52 <Bjarni> several people have requested it so far, but nobody coded it 10:53:14 <Bjarni> you disabled breakdowns and now you need to replace all your trains, right? 10:53:35 <XeryusTC> i disabled breakdowns, but i still have the servicing patch enabled 10:53:53 <XeryusTC> but it takes ages before they are being replaced :( 10:54:08 <Bjarni> not really 10:54:14 <Bjarni> just 150-200 days 10:54:24 <Bjarni> unless you didn't build enough depots 10:56:35 <XeryusTC> a year has passed and only 2/3 of all the trains have been replaced 10:56:57 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:10 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 11:07:14 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:57 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:20:48 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:04 <XeryusTC> lets see if i can make it myself :) 11:26:44 <MiHaMiX> LOL 11:26:45 <MiHaMiX> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5 11:27:10 <MiHaMiX> this is the Chinese version of OpenTTD mainpage :) 11:27:43 <XeryusTC> hehe :) 11:30:29 <Tron> MiHaMiX: ? 11:35:56 <MiHaMiX> tokai: ? 11:35:58 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ? 11:35:59 <MiHaMiX> :) 11:36:09 * MiHaMiX installed graphviz to wiki :) 11:38:28 <Bjarni> what is graphviz? 11:38:45 <Kuja^> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/MiHaMiX_testing_graphviz 11:38:51 <Kuja^> found it :p 11:38:53 <MiHaMiX> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery.php 11:38:54 <Kuja^> looks nice 11:39:03 <MiHaMiX> Kuja^: :P 11:39:34 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: it's perfect for graphing dependencies and these sort of things 11:41:38 <Bjarni> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/directed/crazy.html <-- ahh that one 11:41:39 <Bjarni> nice 11:42:06 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: did you see it's source? :) 11:43:21 <Bjarni> it's downright understandable 11:43:57 <Bjarni> right now I can't think of any serious use for it though 11:44:06 <Bjarni> I mean for OpenTTD 11:44:30 <XeryusTC> is there some kind of function that allows you to send one or multiple vehicles to a depot for servicing? 11:44:48 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: ok, maybe others :D 11:44:52 <Bjarni> hmm 11:44:56 <Bjarni> actually I got one 11:45:02 <Bjarni> I'm going to test it now :) 11:45:14 * MiHaMiX is stress-testing the wiki :D 11:45:25 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:45:28 <MiHaMiX> I've generated a dot-graph from the debian keyring 11:45:36 <Tron> XeryusTC: grep DEPOT command.h 11:45:48 <MiHaMiX> dot is working now, eating up 750M of ram :D 11:46:22 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:46:35 <MiHaMiX> don't look at my page! 11:46:41 <MiHaMiX> pretty please! :D 11:47:02 <MiHaMiX> all two CPU is burning in the server :D 11:47:05 <Bjarni> dammit MiHaMiX, I was just going to take the source from your page to start working from that one and now it's not simple anymore :( 11:47:19 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: sorry :( 11:47:28 <MiHaMiX> ok, i'll kill every dot NOW 11:47:57 <Bjarni> I will just take another simple code to work from instead 11:48:30 <Bjarni> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/directed/datastruct.html <-- actually I can see a great usage for this one :D 11:49:21 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: not bad :) 11:54:02 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: ok, i resrtoreadu 11:54:17 <MiHaMiX> ehh 11:54:23 <MiHaMiX> so, I restored the original page :) 12:03:10 <Bjarni> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Bjarni_testing_graphviz 12:03:17 <Bjarni> any comments? 12:03:45 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944F48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:17 <CIA-5> tron * r3979 /trunk/ (10 files): Move GetRailFoundation() to rail_map.h and use it and friends to get information about rail tiles 12:07:54 <Tron> a tree with its root at the bottom? that feels so unnatural! 12:08:05 <_Luca_> Bjarni: Purpose? 12:08:34 <Bjarni> simple 12:08:39 <Bjarni> file layout of OTTD 12:08:42 <Bjarni> when it's done, that is 12:09:11 <_Luca_> hmm k 12:10:41 <MiHaMiX> Tron: i think it could be changed :) 12:11:15 <_Luca_> Anyone happen to know of something similar to Grapher but for *shrug* Windows? 12:11:41 <MiHaMiX> _Luca_: graphviz works on windows, too. 12:11:54 <_Luca_> ah 12:12:42 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181102243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:45 <_Luca_> not really what I am looking for 12:13:15 <_Luca_> Grapher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Grapher_Screenshot.png 12:15:30 <Bjarni> http://www.graphviz.org/pub/graphviz/CURRENT/doxygen/html/struct__grid.html <-- can we get doxygen pages like that? 12:15:32 <Rubidium> Tron: your change in water_cmd.c does not look right (you replaced ||'s with &&'s); it will always break as slope cannot be 1 and 2 at the same time 12:16:01 <Tron> grr... change it back and forth one time too much i guess 12:16:07 <Tron> thanks 12:23:22 *** guru3 is now known as TankProgram 12:26:06 <Bjarni> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Bjarni_testing_graphviz <-- is this better? 12:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i would kinda reverse it... (switch left and right) 12:28:19 <Bjarni> hmm 12:28:22 <Bjarni> how to do that... 12:29:19 <Bjarni> done 12:29:25 *** TankProgram is now known as guru3 12:29:30 <Bjarni> that was not as hard as I feared :) 12:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> much better :) 12:31:51 <Tron> the directory names should be all lowercase 12:33:32 * Vornicus tries to set up svn and flyspray on his own server, gets a lot of nowhere. 12:33:36 <_Luca_> can you try and mkae it look nice now? 12:33:47 <_Luca_> the fonts and colours are horrible :P 12:34:15 <Vornicus> well, okay. I get /somewhere/, but that somewhere does not involve actually getting an svn repository to show up properly. 12:35:23 <Bjarni> _Luca_: I haven't figured out how to control fonts yet :( 12:36:57 <_Luca_> :( 12:37:46 <Bjarni> ok, now I changed it to times roman 12:38:02 <Bjarni> but it's tricky when I don't have a list of supported fonts 12:38:20 <Bjarni> I just took the one from the example in the docs 12:39:07 <Bjarni> as for colours, some are 32 bit rgb, some are... well, I haven't figured it out yet. I just typed something and a colour appeared 12:39:51 <_Luca_> lol 12:43:09 <Bjarni> ahh, I can actually use RGB colours on all of them :) 12:43:39 <Bjarni> I still haven't figured out how the other system works though 12:43:46 <Bjarni> not even after reading the docs 12:44:37 <Bjarni> now I just don't know what colours to use :p 12:46:58 <Bjarni> now it got new colours... I'm not sure they are any better though :p 12:48:58 *** XeryusTC is now known as XeryusTV 12:52:17 <tokai> MiHaMiX: hmm? 'sup? 12:52:37 <MiHaMiX> tokai: nothing, sorry, just a nick completion failure :) 12:52:53 <tokai> ah :) 12:53:05 <tokai> pity... noone talks with me ;) 12:55:02 * Bjarni continues not to talk to tokai 13:01:00 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:03:13 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7FE32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:09 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 13:06:15 <webfreakz> ey 13:06:26 <Noldo> hey 13:06:51 <webfreakz> i've got a suggestion: what about an option to save junctions? 13:07:15 <Noldo> webfreakz: how would you do that? 13:07:24 <webfreakz> i don't know 13:07:41 <webfreakz> but it surrely could be possible i guess 13:07:41 <Bjarni> then how do you think we should know? 13:08:14 <Noldo> webfreakz: how about copy/paste railways? 13:10:31 <hylje> ya pattern clipboard 13:10:47 <webfreakz> Bjarni: wouldn't it be possible to save the information of the junction in some sort of clipboard 13:11:01 <webfreakz> lets say the junction is 8x8 13:11:29 <webfreakz> and the you say on tile 4x8 (X x Y) a rail goes from south->north 13:11:35 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:38 <Bjarni> do you know how to code that in a network safe way? 13:11:53 <webfreakz> Noldo: copy past railways??? 13:12:12 <webfreakz> what do you mean by 'network safe'? 13:12:40 <Noldo> webfreakz: not causing desyncs 13:12:59 <webfreakz> why would it cause desyncs? 13:13:07 <hylje> it could just record a pattern and replay it at given location 13:13:11 <Bjarni> if it fails to build the same on all computers 13:13:13 <hylje> basically a macro 13:13:25 <webfreakz> yes 13:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> scripting OTTD :) 13:14:12 <webfreakz> if it would be developed, it would definately go in single-player-mode first 13:14:27 <Bjarni> not really 13:14:40 <Bjarni> because then it would be needed to be developed twice 13:15:19 <_Luca_> what about modifying DVs recording thing? 13:15:37 <Bjarni> how about finishing DarkSSH's recording thing? 13:15:44 <_Luca_> :P 13:15:48 <_Luca_> that first maybe 13:16:18 <_Luca_> are there any plans to make it into something practical? 13:16:24 <webfreakz> which recording thing? haven't been on the forums for a while.... 13:16:34 <Bjarni> it's an old thing 13:16:50 <Bjarni> it stores every human interaction 13:16:53 <Bjarni> for replay 13:17:36 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 13:17:36 <webfreakz> ok 13:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> TTO had those learning games... where it showed how to build stations and trains 13:18:04 <Bjarni> yeah 13:18:08 <Bjarni> we need that too 13:18:18 <Bjarni> once we got the tool to make them, that is 13:19:03 <_Luca_> is there anything wrong with the patch other than no gui? 13:19:17 <Bjarni> I don't know 13:20:09 <_Luca_> er 13:20:16 <_Luca_> DarkSSH: ping 13:21:32 <Bjarni> I would be more interested in making the tutorials rather than some copy paste thing, that is still rather questionable if it would work 13:21:38 *** Torrasque_ [n=jerome@5.88.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:23:09 <_Luca_> IMO I would rather make a video tutorial with sounds explaining what is going on 13:23:23 <FauxFaux> Been done! 13:23:27 <_Luca_> :o 13:23:28 <_Luca_> linky 13:23:30 <_Luca_> !!! 13:23:58 <FauxFaux> I don't know where it was, *google* 13:24:17 <_Luca_> was it TTD or OpenTTD? 13:24:26 <Bjarni> OpenTTD 13:24:30 <Bjarni> it sucked though 13:24:35 <Bjarni> too big 13:24:37 <FauxFaux> It was almost certainly ottd. 13:24:49 <hylje> STORY MODE :-D 13:24:55 <FauxFaux> Bjarni: Video codecs suck at this kind of thing, you'd probably have to fall bacl to flash. 13:25:19 <_Luca_> how big is too big? 13:25:29 <Bjarni> we should use scripts to use the game engine to display stuff like this 13:25:41 <hylje> scriptable maps ftw 13:25:54 <Bjarni> nobody said we can't run an mp3/ogg/whatever file to tell what goes on 13:26:07 <webfreakz> FauxFaux: what about OGG Theora? 13:26:15 <Bjarni> also we can include window messages to tell what goes on and those can be translated 13:26:38 <hylje> just make campaigns possible 13:26:38 <Bjarni> it's not likely that audio gets translated and if it is, then we will have a size issue again 13:26:40 <hylje> :D 13:26:41 <FauxFaux> webfreakz: It's still a video codec. 13:27:38 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7FE32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:27:39 <webfreakz> yes but it's almost platform independant 13:28:00 <FauxFaux> Flash is pretty close. 13:28:04 <_Luca_> I don't really see the problem with videos being big - everybody has broadband nowadays and if they don't they should be shot 13:28:20 <FauxFaux> Flash 7 is everything but firefox/amd64 iirc. 13:28:21 <webfreakz> exactly 13:28:27 <Bjarni> basically what we need is to store all commands issued, all windows opened, main view x,y and then highjack the mouse pointer to show what to click on 13:28:36 <webfreakz> yes thats a minor problem with flash 13:28:57 <Bjarni> scripting based on that will make very small and easy translateable tutorials, so we can include a lot of them 13:29:02 <Bjarni> basically one for each feature 13:29:52 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:30:01 <webfreakz> when i first played TTD i build a station and some tracks, but a train..... and now what? 13:30:24 <FauxFaux> Oh, and I can only get 256k broadband here, a 3 minute@10mb/minute video is still too much for me to care about. 13:30:33 <webfreakz> then a friend of mine showed me how to give them orders, and when your station grows how to enlarge the station for its capacity 13:30:54 <_Luca_> FauxFaux: You are lazy :P 13:30:56 <webfreakz> fauxfaux: you live in the middle of nowhere? 13:30:56 <_Luca_> and should be shot 13:31:02 <webfreakz> :') 13:31:06 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@5.88.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:31:09 <FauxFaux> webfreakz: The thing that really needs to be conveyed is how most people set up networks. 13:31:20 <_Luca_> yeah 13:31:21 <webfreakz> yes 13:31:29 <_Luca_> signals on every piece of track = should be shot 13:31:39 * webfreakz is dead 13:31:42 <_Luca_> :P 13:31:48 <FauxFaux> webfreakz: Having introduced a 'few' people to ottd at lans, most of them end up connecting about 5 stations in a row, and no full load, etc. 13:32:02 <FauxFaux> webfreakz: And yeah, I live in the middle of nowhere :P 13:32:24 <webfreakz> what about a satellite connection for internet? 13:33:22 <FauxFaux> Latency is nearly as important as sheer bandwidth :p 13:33:35 <_Luca_> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=384612#384612 13:34:20 <FauxFaux> Cool. 13:34:23 *** iridium`nh is now known as iridium 13:36:08 <_Luca_> I still don't think videos would be that bad, give me a min to do some calcs... 13:37:44 <_Luca_> hmm 13:37:46 <_Luca_> maybe 13:37:54 <_Luca_> what is the compression like on most video formats? 13:38:48 <webfreakz> Ogg Theora is pretty good in compression 13:39:19 <_Luca_> well say you did 640x480, at 8bpp if you did 3fps that would be 1 mbyte / sec raw 13:39:49 <Alltaken> hi guys 13:40:02 <webfreakz> wouldn't that be 7 MB per second? 13:40:05 <_Luca_> hey Alltaken 13:40:17 <_Luca_> 8bpp = 8 bits per pixel = 1 byte 13:40:20 <webfreakz> 640*480*8*3 / 1024 / 1024 = 7,03125 13:40:27 <webfreakz> ow 13:40:34 <webfreakz> you're right then :) 13:40:42 <Alltaken> i don't understand the math what is going on? 13:40:44 <_Luca_> it is under 1mbyte, but for ease of calculations lets say it is that 13:40:49 <_Luca_> Alltaken: video tutorials 13:41:18 <Alltaken> ah.... yeah you can use Flash based programs which turn objects into vectors. 13:41:20 <webfreakz> i think it is about X^(1/2) * C² - 19E20 + 1 13:41:22 <Alltaken> much more efficient 13:42:37 <_Luca_> webfreakz: In english? 13:43:19 <webfreakz> :P 13:44:17 <CIA-5> tron * r3980 /trunk/water_cmd.c: Fix glitch in r3979 spotted by Rubidium. Maybe I'm getting too old for this... 13:48:13 <CIA-5> tron * r3981 /trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): More work for the rail accessing functions and enums 13:54:34 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:56:38 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 14:13:47 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:15:03 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:07 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 14:18:16 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:21:53 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:22:35 <FauxFaux> >openttd --help 14:22:35 <FauxFaux> Program too big to fit in memory 14:22:38 <FauxFaux> Interesting. 14:23:01 <FauxFaux> Oh, it's doing it for everything now. 14:23:05 <FauxFaux> I wonder what's broken. 14:23:53 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:43 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:27:56 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 14:28:36 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:29:07 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:39:11 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC843BD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:26 <CIA-5> tron * r3982 /trunk/ (rail_cmd.c table/track_land.h): Fix last commit. I got confused by some strange test, which did nothing 14:43:34 <Tron> FSCK 14:44:16 <Tron> that was one file too much *sigh* 14:48:34 *** _Luca1 [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has joined #openttd 14:48:53 <_Luca1> Righty, I did some experimenting while having my lunch and here are the results so far 14:49:10 <_Luca1> I captured 10fps to jpeg, then converted this to a movie and compressed it with xvid 14:49:48 <_Luca1> at 640x480 (the original size) I can get it down to 2.2mb for 30secs with virtually no loss in quality 14:50:04 <_Luca1> if I scale this up to 800x600, same fps, same quality options, it shrinks to 19.mb though :P 14:50:08 <_Luca1> *1.9 14:50:21 <coppercore> wtf 14:50:28 <coppercore> shrinks? lol 14:50:30 *** _Luca_ [n=thelucst@84.51.135.171] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:50:32 <_Luca1> yeah... 14:50:45 *** _Luca1 is now known as _Luca_ 14:51:09 <Celestar> hello people 14:52:19 <_Luca_> Hi Celestar 14:52:42 <_Luca_> If I do the same with DivX and mpeg4 I get about the same (2mb) for 800x600 and 640x480 14:53:11 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 14:53:13 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:55:20 <DarkSSH> hi Celestar 14:57:31 <Celestar> hi DarkSSH , hows stuff? 14:58:30 <DarkSSH> soso, got a hockey game withi the hour :) 14:58:39 <Celestar> I see 15:01:05 <Born_Acorn> Who will coin revision 4000? :p 15:01:21 <Bjarni> somebody with svn access, I guess 15:01:26 <DarkSSH> amen 15:01:35 <Born_Acorn> Yes, but which one of you! 15:02:07 <Bjarni> we already planned that, but it's a secret 15:02:11 <Bjarni> wait and see 15:02:56 <Celestar> hr hr ; 15:02:56 <Bjarni> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22428&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20#384612 <-- I really like the idea in this patch, but it could be made better 15:03:07 <Bjarni> it's too tricky to make good tutorials that way 15:03:20 <Bjarni> also they have to be compiled with the binary 15:03:23 <Celestar> Tron: you got a minute? 15:03:41 * Bjarni hands Tron a minute 15:05:49 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:15:33 * Celestar detonates 15:16:12 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-154.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:16:44 <Celestar> this VehicleEnterTile stuff is REALLY getting on my butt :S 15:16:51 *** XeryusTV is now known as XeryusTC 15:17:29 <Celestar> one might foolishly assume that it is called once when a vehicle is entering a tile. 15:17:49 <Tron> fool! 15:18:31 <Celestar> one might also assume that it is NOT called if a vehicle is travelling within a tile 15:18:37 <_Luca_> i just tried making a video tutorial - it was fine until the stupid ai came along and built 3 stations next to mine :P 15:18:55 <Celestar> Tron: we should once take a week and give functions new names. 15:19:14 <Celestar> names that has at least SOMETHING in common with what the fuction actually does 15:19:25 <Tron> Foo0() 15:19:27 <Tron> Foo1() 15:19:28 <Tron> Foo2() 15:19:31 <Tron> Foo3() 15:19:35 <Tron> objections? 15:19:45 <Celestar> yes. 15:19:50 <Celestar> too little digits 15:19:51 <Bjarni> _Luca_: disable AI when making tutorials :p 15:20:02 <DarkSSH> Foo111() 15:20:07 <Celestar> Foo0000 Foo0001 ... Foo3fe2 15:20:29 <DarkSSH> we should name them binarily in the order they get called when executing the program 15:20:44 <Celestar> yes :P 15:21:17 <Tron> every time you make a new function, generate an uuid 15:21:22 <Tron> %uuidgen 15:21:22 <Tron> 038ae3bc-b75c-11da-bcd0-000461428c89 15:21:26 <_Luca_> lol 15:21:28 <Tron> %uuidgen 15:21:28 <Tron> 06a9c1dc-b75c-11da-bcd0-000461428c89 15:21:52 <Tron> prepend a single letter and replace the - with _ to make it a valid function name 15:21:54 <_Luca_> what is we run out though? i think we need more characters 15:22:25 <Tron> there are quite many uuids 15:22:50 <Tron> about 2^128 uuids should be enough 15:22:51 <Rubidium> would use the SHA-512 of the source code of the function, then you can see whether someone has modified your code :) 15:23:03 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:22 <Rubidium> while one prepends it with an 'O' :) 15:23:30 <Celestar> Tron: I vote for "f" as the single letter 15:32:45 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:32:50 <MeusH> hey 15:32:55 <MeusH> hello MiHaMiX, hi Bjarni 15:33:04 <MeusH> graphvis... got to check it out :) 15:33:19 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm35.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [":o"] 15:33:41 *** iridium is now known as iridium`nh 15:38:55 <_Luca_> http://rapidshare.de/files/15899729/tut1.avi.html <-- my tutorial (please don't kill me for using RapidShare) 15:42:43 <FauxFaux> www.yousendit.com! 15:42:55 <DarkSSH> <-- out 15:47:23 <Celestar> Vornicus: you there? 15:48:36 <Celestar> ok and we still didn't decide whether we want YAPS for elrails 15:49:33 <MeusH> what's the YAPS? 15:49:40 <Celestar> Yet Another Patch Setting 15:50:04 <MeusH> no we don't 15:50:16 <MeusH> if there is no patch setting for maglev, there shouldn't be for erails 15:50:23 <Celestar> I agree. 15:50:43 <Celestar> but the other devs should agree as well ;) 15:50:53 <MeusH> yeah, the rules 15:51:13 <MeusH> "silence means agreement", doesn't it? ;) 15:51:24 <Noldo> _Luca_: you didn't use clone train? 15:51:27 <Celestar> well. it doesn't need to be decided now. 15:51:45 <Celestar> but I gotta figure out what to do before we can merge elrail into mainline 15:52:21 <MeusH> how about the electric engine + non electric engine power and speed calculation? 15:52:32 <Celestar> I'm getting there. 15:52:40 <Celestar> tunnels are still doing trouble 15:53:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:01 <_Luca_> Noldo: I thought it too confusing for noobs to understand 15:55:50 <Noldo> _Luca_: maybe 15:55:57 <_Luca_> Celestar: I expect you know of the PF bug with non electrified and eletrified railways connected? 15:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> [19.03. 16:04] <Born_Acorn> Who will coin revision 4000? :p <- well... odds are, it is tron with "fix glitch in r3999" ;) 15:56:11 <Celestar> _Luca_: which pathfinder are we talking about? 15:56:20 <_Luca_> I will check.... 15:56:20 <_Luca_> :P 15:56:29 <_Luca_> probably the old one though 15:56:41 <MiHaMiX> hmm 15:56:42 <Celestar> that doesn't matter. Both are supposed to work. 15:56:47 <_Luca_> ok 15:56:51 <MiHaMiX> dramatic picture from an F1 accident: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5092/f11nx.jpg 15:56:59 <_Luca_> i used the windows binaries made a while ago so it may have been fixed by now 15:57:04 <_Luca_> but I will create you a sav 15:57:05 <_Luca_> e 15:57:28 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:57:28 <glx> MiHaMiX: lol 15:59:14 <Celestar> _Luca_: I didn't fix anything, so I doubt it 15:59:20 <_Luca_> k 16:00:07 <Celestar> any kinda savegame would be helpful 16:00:32 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:09 <MeusH> nice one MiHaMiX 16:01:19 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hi 16:01:19 <MeusH> I've been affected by graphvizmania, too :D 16:01:31 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: i hoped you'll like it 16:01:47 <MeusH> yeah 16:01:48 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: and, i believed it'll be usefull for us 16:02:13 <MiHaMiX> s/ll/l/ 16:02:17 <MeusH> that's correct 16:02:47 <RoySmeding> i'm compiling that graphviz thing 16:03:23 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit ["Error 404: Pants not found"] 16:04:56 <_Luca_> http://84.51.135.171/~luca/bug.sav - only with old pathfinder 16:09:10 <Celestar> _lu ok checking 16:09:34 <Celestar> er you got a firewall or something? 16:10:02 <Celestar> becase I'm not getting through 16:10:42 <_Luca_> lemme have a looky... 16:10:47 <_Luca_> my router is probably being evil 16:10:52 <Celestar> seems so 16:10:56 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: there are many dependencies explained on the OpenTTD wiki, the graphviz will be useful, indeed 16:10:58 <MiHaMiX> lol, evil router :DD 16:11:04 <MeusH> now I'll just have to find these :) 16:11:10 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: good luck :) 16:11:16 <MeusH> pathes window o_O 16:11:21 <MeusH> no, too much work 16:11:22 <_Luca_> hmm looks ok - dcc? 16:11:24 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: did you manage to find something to prevent content spam? :) 16:11:31 <MeusH> not yet :( 16:11:38 <Celestar> _Luca_: ok 16:11:42 <MeusH> however I'm upgrading the blacklist 16:11:53 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: never mind, i believe you'll find one day :) 16:12:00 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: yes, I saw 16:12:12 <MeusH> I've found these bastards call their sites like http://somethingrandom52.com/bviag.html 16:12:19 <MeusH> where "viag" means viagra... 16:13:06 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: ahh 16:13:46 <_Luca_> Celestar: Get anything? 16:13:55 <Celestar> yeah 16:14:00 <_Luca_> goodo 16:14:12 <_Luca_> it doesn't seem to be transfering :( 16:14:29 <Celestar> stalled 16:14:50 <_Luca_> *curses* 16:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Technik, die verzweifelt" (modification of a german commercial slogan) 16:16:24 <_Luca_> Celestar: http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2IWH3Z9ISOXHP37ZDB4XGAFS21 16:24:39 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has joined #openttd 16:25:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77160.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:12 *** BurtyB [n=chris@adsl.chrisburton.info] has quit ["bbl"] 16:29:55 *** melfar [n=o@ip-83-149-3-136.nwgsm.ru] has joined #openttd 16:30:01 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 16:30:59 <melfar> hello guys! tell me please, how do you replace your old vehicle with a new (same) one? 16:31:43 <melfar> it only allows me to upgrade it to a new model 16:32:33 <Hinrik> put it into a depot, throw away the old one, and put a new one in it's place 16:32:49 <tokai|noir> Hinrik: he wants to keep the model 16:33:18 <Hinrik> ah ok, even when that model is deprecated? 16:33:21 <melfar> well, I'be got something about 50 of them right now :] 16:33:30 <tokai|noir> melfar: if u control the game u can activate a patch that vehicles don't depecate 16:35:15 <melfar> no, it's okay for them to deprecate. I don't want a new model just because of lack of money. the question is, how to update them all automatically (as much as my budget affords right now at least) ? 16:35:58 <tokai|noir> there is a patch for that too.. auto-replace or such 16:37:01 <tokai|noir> "autorenew vehicle when it gets old" 16:38:46 *** CobraA3 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:52 *** _Luca_ [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has quit ["O_o Crazy fools! o_O"] 16:44:25 *** LadyHawk [i=ladyhawk@82-45-53-147.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:45:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B754BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:45:48 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:46:56 *** _Luca_ [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has joined #openttd 16:47:20 <Sionide> orudge, resnet is a fucking rip off man ;) 16:47:22 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48:24 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:49:07 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:38 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|food 16:57:52 <CIA-5> tron * r3983 /trunk/ (rail_cmd.c tree_cmd.c): Use existing functions to access tree and road info 17:15:34 <CIA-5> tron * r3984 /trunk/ (road_cmd.c road_map.h): Add a function to get the road axis of a level crossing 17:16:33 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22:40 *** glx [i=glx@82.245.156.124] has joined #openttd 17:23:33 <MiHaMiX> ok, bbl :) 18:08:45 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 18:14:04 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:14:48 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 18:21:26 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.12.234] has quit ["Sleep [Time wasted online: 10hrs 44mins 55secs]"] 18:27:58 *** glx [i=glx@82.245.156.124] has quit ["Bye!"] 18:32:35 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 18:41:53 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:20 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:53:42 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:57:53 *** angerman_ is now known as angerman 18:59:10 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03:13 <Bjarni> <guru3> Bjarni: still interested in why there's the seperate version? <-- yeah if you got the answer 19:03:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:12:53 *** xgkkp [n=xgkkp@user-7742.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:20:07 <Bjarni> guru3: should I read no reply as you don't know why or that you left? 19:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a really good question to ask someone that is gone ;) 19:30:30 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 19:33:29 <CIA-5> tron * r3986 /trunk/ (openttd.c rail_cmd.c road_cmd.c road_map.h town_cmd.c): Add [GS]etCrossingRoadOwner 19:43:26 *** Hinrik [i=hinrik@ns.hax.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:45:39 *** Hinrik [n=gfhfgh@ns.hax.is] has joined #openttd 19:55:45 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> that's a really good question to ask someone that is gone ;) <--- I guess no reply means that he left then ;) 19:55:46 <CIA-5> tron * r3987 /trunk/water_cmd.c: Fix another bug in r3979 *grumble* 19:56:27 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 19:56:59 <CIA-5> tron * r3988 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: Remove the info about valid rails on shore tiles. It's the same as for any other sloped tile 20:00:35 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 20:03:39 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host86-141-124-29.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:10:41 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@5.88.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 20:23:24 *** Hinrik [n=gfhfgh@ns.hax.is] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:40:07 *** sw4y [n=sway@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:01 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:41:12 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:41:19 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit ["*.net *.split"] 20:42:38 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:46:31 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:01 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:01:05 <MeusH> hi 21:01:31 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:09:07 *** sw4y [n=sway@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 21:10:04 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:37 *** sw4y [n=sway@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:36 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:13:22 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 21:13:27 <MeusH> take a look at http://downgrade.hacklabs.org/wiki/ 21:13:32 <MeusH> this is restrictive, but works :) 21:14:22 <hylje> :o 21:16:22 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D641.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:56 *** ZsoL_ [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 21:24:56 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:25:03 <MeusH> o_O cya 21:25:05 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 21:25:33 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:28 *** ZsoL_ [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:29:56 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 21:32:42 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:32:45 <guru3> Bjarni: i was afk 21:32:50 <guru3> watching movie, eating dinner 21:33:36 <guru3> it was due to the fact that armagetron needed a function not available in the 10.2.8 libxml 21:33:38 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 21:33:56 <guru3> so the 10.2.8 package has libxml included 21:34:09 <guru3> it also somehow needs an older version of sdl, so that's in there 21:34:41 <guru3> and also a bug when linking against the universal sdk 21:35:10 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 21:36:17 <hylje> pirates? 21:38:26 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:55 <Bjarni> guru3: well, that didn't really tell me much apart from the fact that libxml was part of the reason 21:40:13 <Bjarni> I know the issue with SDL, OTTD never used anything newer than 1.2.7 for the mac port 21:41:08 <Bjarni> but that's ok 21:41:34 <Bjarni> it's not a huge concern of mine why another game is compiled in a different way than I expected ;) 21:42:35 <guru3> that's about as much detail as i've got 21:42:45 <Bjarni> heh 21:42:50 <guru3> xml dtd validation functions are not present in the 10.2.8 libxml 21:42:55 <guru3> which we use for future proofing of maps 21:43:17 <guru3> so 10.2.8 needs the newer version with said functions 21:43:22 <Bjarni> generally it's best if the end user uses at least 10.3.9 for lib reasons 21:43:25 <Bjarni> this is one of them 21:43:29 <guru3> yup 21:43:38 <Bjarni> there are others as well 21:43:50 <guru3> i don't doubt it 21:44:08 <Bjarni> and notice, I didn't say 10.3, I said 10.3.9 21:44:28 <guru3> i saw 21:44:33 <valhallazzzw> aka os x is evil? 21:45:02 * valhallazzzw hides 21:45:33 <guru3> good night 21:48:41 <MiHaMiX> gn 21:48:59 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:55:48 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:55:52 <MeusH> hello 22:00:04 <Born_Acorn> (21:58:51) <jonty-comp> OpenTTD = pointless , though, IMO, and no-one's going to change my mind. 22:00:05 <Born_Acorn> (21:59:01) <Born_Acorn> Then you are stupid 22:00:09 <hylje> greetings mon 22:00:12 <Born_Acorn> terror! 22:00:27 <hylje> Born_Acorn: you win 22:03:05 <MeusH> TTDPatch has more advanced newgrf 22:03:25 <MeusH> and puny 2 company colours alghoritm 22:03:26 <MeusH> but we will rock their pants with 32bpp 22:03:35 <MeusH> then we will see who's punk 22:03:46 <MeusH> OpenTTD will arise 22:03:58 <MeusH> and they will kiss our feet 22:04:01 *** tokai|bahamut [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:09 <MeusH> cya then 22:04:10 <hylje> really 22:04:14 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 22:04:27 <hylje> meush doesnt stay for long 22:04:35 <hylje> thats for sure 22:10:16 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:12:02 <Bjarni> <valhallazzzw> aka os x is evil? <-- no, but whenever there is a new version of an OS, it will have changes and some of them can affect how certain apps perform and if they work 22:12:50 <hylje> apple has been notorious for forcing progress 22:12:52 <Bjarni> you can't compile an app for XP and expect it to work on 2k or 98 without actually do some either testing or know what you do 22:13:21 <hylje> xp and 2k are quite alike on the os level 22:13:28 <Bjarni> I don't think it's bad to add new functions to a newer release 22:13:48 <Bjarni> the problem is when somebody codes something to rely on the new functions and then tries to move it back 22:14:32 <hylje> backwards compability is a bitch 22:21:47 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:23:00 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944F48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["n8"] 22:23:56 <peter1138> Bjarni: r3966 was a terrible hack 22:24:37 <Bjarni> not that again 22:24:50 <Bjarni> besides I haven't left it 22:24:58 <Bjarni> it's work in progress 22:25:07 <DarkSSH> ah peter1138 22:25:11 <DarkSSH> got something for ya :) 22:25:23 <Bjarni> DV coded something that made it nicer and now it almost works :) 22:25:23 <DarkSSH> peter1138: r3228 broke terraforming 22:25:25 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8.diff was what i did on that 22:25:28 <peter1138> DarkSSH: yeah, i heard 22:26:04 <DarkSSH> I had a look into it....but couldn't get any sense :( 22:27:42 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 22:35:41 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 22:37:10 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has joined #openttd 22:38:15 <_Luca_> bed time 22:38:19 *** _Luca_ [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has quit ["O_o Crazy fools! o_O"] 22:40:52 <peter1138> Bjarni: it still uses the nasty #define, when we have hal stuff already... 22:41:42 <DarkSSH> peter1138: this hal stuff needs a rework though 22:41:51 <DarkSSH> a TON of stuff in there is triple'd 22:41:51 <peter1138> try 22:41:56 *** tokai|bahamut [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:42:07 <peter1138> it needs to be lower level, yeah 22:42:11 <DarkSSH> but I found someone to blame :) 22:42:28 <peter1138> "try"? i wonder what that was... 22:42:30 <DarkSSH> peter1138 is our showstopper with the terraforming bug. can't release until that is done 22:42:36 <peter1138> hmm 22:42:39 <peter1138> what does it allow? heh 22:42:43 <DarkSSH> "try it yourself you sonofa if you know it so good" 22:43:07 *** tokai|bahamut [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:43:17 <DarkSSH> peter1138: build a top-horizontal piece and terraform downwards the South point of the tile twice for example 22:43:20 <DarkSSH> nasty 22:47:07 <peter1138> hmm 22:47:19 <peter1138> how come we didn't notice? o_O 22:47:38 <DarkSSH> donnu 22:48:13 *** TPK [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:48:17 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 22:48:19 <peter1138> it's voodoo magic, i tell you 22:49:12 <DarkSSH> you're telling me? he :) 22:50:17 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:50:23 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:52:17 <Bjarni> I got a voodoo chip lying around 22:52:24 <Bjarni> maybe that one is causing it 22:52:58 <peter1138> sounds like a good idea to blame you, anyway 22:53:00 <Diablo-D3> yeah, blame the out of date hardware =/ 22:54:03 <Bjarni> I should be blamed for the terraforming bug? 22:54:06 <peter1138> yes 22:54:12 <Diablo-D3> yes 22:54:20 <Brianetta> Tonight I took Helen to a posh restaurant and asked her to marry me. 22:54:27 <Diablo-D3> Brianetta: aaand? 22:54:33 <Brianetta> aaand what? 22:54:44 * Diablo-D3 smacks Brianetta 22:54:49 <peter1138> did she say "sorry brian, but it's either the train set or me?" 22:54:58 <Brianetta> She consented to be my wife (: 22:55:02 <Diablo-D3> r0xx0r. 22:55:33 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:34 <Brianetta> I prefer N guage for my presents. Failing that, OO. 22:55:42 <peter1138> congratulations 22:55:52 <Bjarni> congratulations Brianetta 22:55:56 <Brianetta> (: 22:55:59 <Diablo-D3> Brianetta: ugh, I like N scale shit 22:56:05 <Bjarni> you will get a wife that is into you for the sex 22:56:11 <Diablo-D3> it isnt the total fuck up that HO is 22:56:14 <Bjarni> at least that is what you said earlier that she said 22:56:32 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:00 <Diablo-D3> Brianetta: like, why the hell did they make HO toys? 22:57:13 <Diablo-D3> that are HO only in the sense that they run on HO gague track? 22:57:13 <Bjarni> what is HO toys? 22:57:23 <Bjarni> oh, model railroad 22:57:29 <Bjarni> I don't consider that toys 22:57:47 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: I mean as in ones that are literally toys 22:57:49 <Bjarni> I consider it a real life OTTD game 22:57:49 <Brianetta> Hornby has a serious scale mismatch between body and bogey 22:58:03 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: its not serious, and meant for kits 22:58:04 <Diablo-D3> er kids 22:58:12 <Diablo-D3> they're not detailed, all the scale is off 22:58:19 <Diablo-D3> they're made out of low grade materials 22:58:23 <Bjarni> oh like that 22:58:29 <Diablo-D3> the pre-built buildings are ugly as hell 22:58:30 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24053 and http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24051 <- lol 22:58:40 <Bjarni> they do have to make the wheels out of scale to avoid derailments 22:58:41 <Diablo-D3> that ruined HO 22:58:57 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: the wheels arent so bad, functional stuff out of scale is okay 22:59:17 <Diablo-D3> its just that some stuff is so obviously the wrong size and shit 22:59:33 <Diablo-D3> like iirc bauchmann sells a line of toy HO shit 23:00:00 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: LOL 23:00:18 <Diablo-D3> atleast N scale manages to do it right 23:00:23 <Diablo-D3> well, N /scales/ 23:00:36 <Diablo-D3> 1:148, 1:150, 1:160 23:00:43 <Diablo-D3> depending on what you're modeling 23:01:36 <Bjarni> hmm 23:01:54 <Diablo-D3> ho is like LOL 1:87 MAYBE 23:01:56 <Bjarni> how can it be that the topic changed from Brianetta getting married to crappy model trains? 23:02:11 <Brianetta> Because I specified N scale as my preferred engagement gift 23:02:14 <Diablo-D3> oh, because I hate women for ruining my life, of course. 23:02:37 <XeryusTC> the guy even managed to get a normal topic locked: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23944 23:02:45 <Bjarni> Diablo-D3: your mom is that bad? 23:03:05 <Diablo-D3> its not really her 23:03:11 <Diablo-D3> its just the rest of the women in the world 23:03:19 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Because I specified N scale as my preferred engagement gift <-- I can't get you that, but I already gave you some virtual train sets on your computer 23:03:40 <Diablo-D3> btw, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24053 , pwnt. 23:03:59 <Brianetta> Bjarni: I love you fo rit 23:04:00 <peter1138> DarkSSH: i'll look at it in the morning... 23:04:01 <peter1138> nini 23:04:23 <Brianetta> I love all the devs and PikkaBird 23:04:36 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Bjarni: I love you fo rit <-- that's not right. You should love your soon to be wife instead 23:04:45 <Brianetta> I love her more 23:04:52 <Bjarni> good 23:04:59 <Brianetta> but I have a whole lot of love ringfenced for OpenTTD (: 23:06:27 <Diablo-D3> heh 23:06:29 <Diablo-D3> I hate openttd. 23:06:42 *** Diablo-D3 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [then you came to the wrong place] 23:06:42 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:53 <Diablo-D3> it needs to get its own data set 23:07:04 <Diablo-D3> because I keep forgetting when Im in windows to install ttd to get the data files 23:07:05 <Bjarni> agreed 23:07:13 <Bjarni> heh 23:07:39 <Bjarni> your bad memory is not a flaw in OpenTTD 23:08:43 <Diablo-D3> no, but it pisses me off that ttd's installer no worky in wine 23:08:57 <Bjarni> heh 23:09:14 <Bjarni> only windows actually got an installer 23:10:01 <Bjarni> installers are for people, who don't know how to copy files 23:10:19 <Diablo-D3> btw, patchman totally rocks 23:10:30 <Bjarni> yeah 23:10:38 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: I cant figure out how to pinyata it open and get the files out 23:10:55 <Diablo-D3> its not like quake, where pak0 and friends are out in the open 23:11:08 <Bjarni> download the zip version of OTTD 23:11:17 <Bjarni> err 23:11:18 <Bjarni> wait 23:11:21 <Diablo-D3> x_x 23:11:27 <Bjarni> the TTD installer, not the OTTD installer :p 23:11:31 <Bjarni> hmm 23:11:47 <Diablo-D3> I should work on SEGAL more 23:12:11 <Bjarni> you know, you should only have to do this once 23:12:25 <Diablo-D3> I know 23:12:35 <Diablo-D3> but I accidently nuked my copy of trunk 23:12:42 <Diablo-D3> but I forgot data files where in there 23:13:01 <Diablo-D3> but yeah 23:13:07 <Diablo-D3> soon as I get SEGAL done 23:13:12 <Diablo-D3> I can remake openttd in my own image 23:13:14 <Bjarni> I got a data dir that I use to copy from into new checkouts 23:13:22 <Bjarni> then stuff like that never happens 23:13:32 <Diablo-D3> yeah, I can see how good of an idea that is x_x 23:13:45 <Diablo-D3> at any rate 23:13:48 <Diablo-D3> I think Im going to go to bed 23:13:51 <Diablo-D3> night 23:14:42 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 23:15:52 *** sw4y [n=sway@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 23:18:05 *** blazzaj [n=not@86.107.25.89] has quit [] 23:18:15 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 23:18:55 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bed 23:19:43 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:24:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 23:28:48 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-154.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:28:57 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D641.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 23:33:59 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D641.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:23 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:40:43 *** TL|Away [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:42:28 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:49:53 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 23:53:33 *** _Red is now known as Red 23:54:46 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:52 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:59:10 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []